[RBW] Rivendell tandem builds

[Tony DeFilippo]

Can't wait to see the builds.  Every time I read about the HHH I have to remind 
myself that my Burley tandem is more than sufficient for the limited tandem 
riding my wife and I do... But it's still tempting especially the promise of 
fat tires... 

I'm going to swap out the current mustache bars for a Jones Loop this season as 
well as I'm wanting to mount the front kid seat and make it a 'triple'.

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: Doing wheelies on the Cheviot

[Shoji Takahashi]

Here's a short video of someone doing a wheelie on a big dummy. 
https://youtu.be/XApaldQGvQI

(I wish it included him popping up the front end.)

shoji



On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:55:25 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>
> In my younger days I could  wheelie just about anything, but there's a 
> huge difference between popping a wheelie and riding a wheelie! Long top 
> tube & long chain stays make both more difficult, but your  typical racing 
> bike, is pretty  short so less challenging. 
> The most difficult part is just the initial lift, which is a combination 
> of having the right gear and timing your lift of the front with a strong 
> stab at the pedals. From there you simply have to find the balance point.
> I used to be able to wheelie my sisters stingray for a couple blocks, but 
> I've known guys who would ride wheelies so much that they almost didn't 
> need the front wheel at all! LOL
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Besides all the technical differencesthere's a *deep* and *abiding* 
appreciation that I have a choice between a MUSA frame and import frame 
with similar design considerations across the Riv spectrum.  RBW is beyond 
unique in that respect.   

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>
> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make 
> the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than the 
> Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
> Atlantis?
>
> Reid
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivet Pearl or C17 Carved

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I have a Rivet on my Sam and a not carved C17 on the Brompton.
I like them both, but I like the Rivet better. If you make it to Tel Aviv 
you're welcome to try them out.

Jay


On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 7:51:40 PM UTC+2, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> If there's an opportunity to try out the Rivet I'd say go for it. I have a 
> carved C17 and while it's probably the best vegan saddle I've come across, 
> it's far from as magic as I would have hoped it to be. 
>
> On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 3:25:48 PM UTC-6, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I need to get a new saddle and want to get one with a cutout.  Narrowed 
>> it down to the Rivet Pearl and the Brooks C17 Carved.  Anyone have any 
>> thoughts and opinions regarding the pros and cons of these saddles?  Would 
>> love to get some personal experiences before I plunk down the cash.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clementine and Jones+ Trail Ride

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chris, the Karate Monkey has been described as a dirt Crit bike. It has 
short chainstays and a short front end. The Jones Plus is really at the 
opposite end of the spectrum. I've ridden both for extended periods.
I wrote up a review of the Jones Plus on the IBOB list a while back.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/internet-bob/v92_t69-FYQ/_l-CNqlJLOMJ

Joe in GJT 

On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:14:26 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

> Nice write up!  I've been very intrigued by both the Jones 29'er Diamond 
> frame and the Plus frames.  I just started riding an old Trek that has very 
> similar characteristics to a Riv (26" wheels) and I've been riding a Surly 
> Karate Monkey, which I think is pretty representative of 29'ers.  It would 
> be interesting to compare either Jones to these two bikes.  Someday I'm 
> going to splurge on a multi-thousand dollar bike but right now I don't have 
> a good enough idea what I want in that bike.  
>
> Have you compared the wheelbase of your two bikes?  It's hard to tell by 
> eyeballing which is longer. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:49:30 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> My wife Erika's Clementine frame arrived from the first batch of frame 
>> only pre-orders in late Oct-early Nov 2015... almost exactly coinciding 
>> with us realizing she was pregnant.  :)  Funny how the 9 months of 
>> pregnancy and now 8 months of having an infant can just timewarp your life 
>> a bit (in a good way of course).  Anyway the point of this is to say that 
>> while the Clementine has been in the family for over a year it hasn't 
>> exactly gotten put through it's paces.  It's main purpose is as a classy 
>> townie and now it'll be the main owner of the Yepp Mini front baby seat. 
>>  But you can't count out this swoopy-orange frame for some offroad fun! 
>>  Stripped of its fenders, bags and smaller tires and wearing the up till 
>> last week Bombadil's wheel/tire-set we took advantage of my Mom being in 
>> town to watch our daughter for the afternoon and hit the trail at Wakefield.
>>
>>
>> Joining the party as of Sat morning is my new-to-me pearly blue Jones 
>> Plus, the 24" frame.  Neat thing for my 5'5" wife and 6' me is that we can 
>> effectively trade bikes between the 52cm/650B Clementine and the 
>> 24"Jones... I'm not saying either is the frame size we'd go out and buy for 
>> ourselves as a daily rider but I was very pleased at how just saddle height 
>> adjustment was required for us to swap during our ride today.  Both of us 
>> were pumped to try a fat/plus bike (our first), Erika wanted to get some 
>> time on her Clem and I was interested to compare the ride on both.  Bottom 
>> line is we had a really nice ride, weather was brisk but very bright and 
>> pretty and the wooded area's were a really unusual mix of low stage green 
>> spreading amongst a wintery treescape.  Very unusual weather patterns we're 
>> having here in the Mid-Atlantic this season.  It was a pretty short ride 
>> and the focus was on staying together and having fun so I won't give 
>> exhaustive notes, just a couple impressions.
>>
>> Clementine - I started out from the parking lot on the Clem and had a 
>> great ride on the bike.  The 650Bx2.25" Nobby Nic's performed as well on 
>> the Clem as they did on my recently departed Bombadil.  Erika's sprung B67S 
>> is way springier than my B67... WAY. Anyone else encounter this on the 
>> ladies B67 or flyer saddles?  On my Flyer and B67 the springs are very 
>> stiff.  Anyway once I got used to how much flex there was in the saddle I 
>> got the hang of the bike. It definitely felt longer than the Bomba and the 
>> Jones for that matter but I never had an issue maneuvering it on a trail. 
>>  I found it very easy to stand or shift weight between the big Alba style 
>> bars and the saddle for climbing and descending.  Erika did really well on 
>> the Clementine once we switched although it is a rough transition both 
>> directions going from canti's-hydro disc brakes and the ride/fit/geo is way 
>> different. Her comment was that climbing on the Clementine right off of the 
>> Jones felt like getting 'out of' a bike and then 'sitting on top of' a 
>> bike... I didn't make the transition back to the Clementine and I'll 
>> comment about the Jones in a moment.  After the ride her perspective was 
>> that so long as there weren't significant obstacles she preferred the 
>> Clementine but with any features or obstacles felt more confidant on the 
>> Jones.
>>
>> Jones + - I definitely get the 'riding in the bike' feel as advertised 
>> with this bike. I was very concerned the 29x3" tires would make me feel 
>> like sitting on top of a horse... couldn't be further from the truth.  The 
>> Clementine did actually feel taller  than the Plus.  Those 3" tires... wow, 
>> you don't need a road, you don't need a trail, just point, pedal and 
>> smile...  I'm not sure how you compare it to any trail bike w/ smaller 
>> tires. I'll be inter

[RBW] Re: FS Heron 53cm - need help to identify vintage

[stevef]

It's also probably a 52 or 54 cm frame, since as I recall, Heron sidepull 
braked "road" frames were even numbered sizes, canti-braked "touring," 
model was odd numbered...

Steve

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Grant @ Rivendell]

I had to check out the red to see. Red seems to be new--like, the 650B 
Hunqa sizes and the 65 Atlantis. That's another Venn diagram overlap 
functional problem. If we had room and money we could have bikes in stock 
all the time, all sizes and models -- kind of like what Surly's like, I 
imagine--or any other big bike company. Our way is to break ourselves and 
risk a lot on one run of bikes/frames after another, and hope for the best. 
It's probably good for the models, because we don't commit to things we're 
not fully behind, but it's bad in other ways---

On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 2:27:17 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> Grant:
>
> While you're fielding questions, what is the significance of frame sizes 
> listed in red on the new geo charts?  I realize they are new, but does this 
> indicate they will be the only ones offered in the future, with the black 
> ones as historical references?
>
> Doug Peterson
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 1:24:58 PM UTC-8, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>
>> On the tube top question---
>>
>> There is "on paper" length and "anatomical effect." On paper the Joe Ap 
>> is longer, but that means you ride a 9 instead of an 11 stem. And the 
>> higher bars possible with the Appa bring back them back toward you more and 
>> at the same time have a lengthening effect on your arms (see "Vitruvian 
>> man"). Finally — well, I actually kinda doubt that, but it's all fun anyway 
>> — the original Atlantis midsise small wheel was 26, and the Appa's is 650B, 
>> and when we came out with Atlantis, 35mm to 38mm tires were common on it, 
>> and now--the combo of 650+fatter in general, raises the requirement for 
>> longer front centers. As I like to say, "these things get ultramajorly 
>> thoughten about before they show up in steel!" 
>> But also yes, there has been an emotional and an actual shift away from 
>> locking into drops on a touring bike. Touring and generally useful bikes 
>> aren't anymore the poor kin of racing road bikes, and with so many good 
>> non-drop bar shapes out there, it's not necessary (tho still not stupid) to 
>> ride drops. Freedom from drops means freedom to design around the other 
>> good bars with grip areas for the most part behind the stem clamp, not in 
>> front of it, as on a drop. When you throw that into the pot, there's room 
>> to increase the bike's front wheelbase a bit, too, and adding a cm or even 
>> 3m to the tt  is a good way to do that.If we had to make only one bike, 
>> it'd be the Appa--no question, for me. But for better or worse we have 
>> about 6 models. Wait till you see the Roadini. I think any of the latest 
>> Rosco Roadish bikes with tons of clearance and cantilever ride as well as 
>> any road bike and have tons of clearance, but we've wanted to do a cheaper 
>> version of the Roadeo for a while, and we're gonna do that this Spring or 
>> Summer. Sidepulls, 130 rear wheel, all the road stuff.
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Carradice Kendal Panniers (pair)

[Will Ashe]

Hello all, 

I'm selling a barely used pair of Carradice Kendal panniers in the 
green/honey colorway. I purchased these to use for short camping trips but 
I've been so busy with work that I don't think they'll get any use. 

These are perfect for a Nitto 27f as they are wider than they are tall, aka 
"landscape orientation". I think $100 shipped CONUS is fair.

http://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/panniers/originals-kendal-panniers-pair


Best, 
Will Ashe
Los Angeles

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[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Philip Kim]

Ed  &  Jeremy, thanks for the pannier experience. Thats interesting that a 
pannier loaded on one side doesn't affect handling. It definitely makes it 
more versatile. I'll probably go the rear pannier route!

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 9:59:31 PM UTC-5, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
> Sorry, no photos ATM but my setup isn't much different than photos at the 
> riv site.
>
> For the front I'm running the "riv standard" Wald 137 basket tie wrapped 
> to a Nitto front rack. I've got the M18 but I'd recommend the Mark's. The 
> R14 probably would be overkill for that size basket. I got a medium riv 
> Sackville where I keep the spare tube, tools, pump, anything I need to 
> reach easily (badge, locker key, phone), and any layering items (jacket, 
> vest, gloves).The Sackville has two tabs: I loop velcro straps through 
> those onto the basket. I've got a bike locker at work, but taking and 
> lugging the Sackville out is pretty easy if I need to lock up the bike.
>
> For the rear, I used to have the Pletscher Clem rack (with the pannier 
> bars and light tab) but now am running the medium Nitto 32R. I'm using the 
> rack tab on top of the seat stay, toward the front. The medium can't use 
> the rearmost rack tab since the deck hits the tire. The large 32R probably 
> would work on my 51cm bike using that rearmost tab. The Clem rack worked 
> fine, and I really liked it's wide flat deck. I switched to R32 simply for 
> the bling: the performance for commuting seemed the same.
>
> For my primary bag, I use an Ortlieb Commuter bag (
> https://ortliebusa.com/product/commuter-bag-ql3-1/) with the QL3.1 mount. 
> That carries a laptop, a change of clothes, work papers, thermos, and a 
> snack. The nice thing about the QL 3.1 is the back of the bag is flat and 
> doesn't have any hardware sticking out. Also, on-and-off for the bag is 
> super quick. The disadvantage is having to mount some hardware on the rack 
> that needs to be removed in order mount any other bag on that side of the 
> rack.
>
> One issue I had with other bikes in running this particular setup in the 
> rear was the offset load - one heavy pannier on the left side - noticeably 
> affected handling. That's not a problem with the Appaloosa. Also, I've 
> experimented with multiple pannier bags and didn't have a problem with heel 
> strike, nor did I really need to make extreme adjustments to the pannier 
> hooks to get the bag to work right.
>
> --Ed
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
>> commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an 
>> R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
>> Nitto 32R and putting panniers.
>>
>> Pics requested! Please
>>
>

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[RBW] Free Riv Posters - Sackville and Hillborne - Seattle Area

[Michael Ullmer]

I have two Riv posters that I'm happy to give to any local listers in the 
Seattle area. Pickup only.

I never hung them up and I sold my Sackville Bags and Sam Hillborne a while 
back. Someone else should hang these up.

Pics here: https://goo.gl/photos/JncwfRn1oenj1z7CA

PM me off-list, thanks!

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Re: [RBW] How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Philip Kim]

my PBH is 78cm SH is 68.5cm, i'm 5ft6in. about a fist of seatpost. hope 
that helps!

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 5:22:26 PM UTC-5, ed wrote:
>
> Hi Philip,
> I know this is off topic, but what is your pbh, seat height and how much 
> seat post is showing in your 51 Appaloosa? :-)
> I have been dreaming of getting a green Appaloosa.
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 2:24 AM, Philip Kim  > wrote:
>
>> I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
>> commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an 
>> R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
>> Nitto 32R and putting panniers.
>>
>> Pics requested! Please
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Heron 53cm - need help to identify vintage

[David Johnston]

the old info is still available at:

http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html

On 3/6/17, stevef  wrote:
> It's also probably a 52 or 54 cm frame, since as I recall, Heron sidepull
> braked "road" frames were even numbered sizes, canti-braked "touring,"
> model was odd numbered...
>
> Steve
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[RBW] Skyline Drive on 4/23 (Bike Only)

[Minh]

Hi all,

Anyone have plans to ride Skyline Drive on 4/23?  As part of National Parks 
week the NPS is closing the road to cars from MM 0 in Front Royal to MM30 
in Thornton!

https://www.nps.gov/shen/ride-the-drive.htm

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr H 59CM - $1250 or trade for Appaloosa 58cm frameset

[mike smith]

Bump. $950 plus shipping.  Stock build + Fenders.  Great bike but it 
doesnt get used.

On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 10:44:28 AM UTC-5, mike smith wrote:
>
> Includes:
>
>- original bosco bars and shifters
>- alba bars and indexed shifters pictured. 
>- SKS fenders
>-  I'f prefer to keep the brooks saddle but can include for an 
>additional $50.  I still have the stick saddle which will go with the bike.
>
> Buyer pays shipping from 34695 zip code.
>
> There is a very small scratch on the top tube from putting it on a bike 
> rack. I can send pics of that directly or any other pics. 
>
> $1250 or trade for a 58 cm Appaloosa.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[John G.]

COSIGNED! I just recently purchased an Atlantis, and having a choice was a 
wonderful thing.

Also, everyone should just get an Atlantis. 

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:11:39 AM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Besides all the technical differencesthere's a *deep* and *abiding* 
> appreciation that I have a choice between a MUSA frame and import frame 
> with similar design considerations across the Riv spectrum.  RBW is beyond 
> unique in that respect.   
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>>
>> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make 
>> the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than the 
>> Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
>> Atlantis?
>>
>> Reid
>>
>>

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[RBW] Skyline Drive on 4/23 (Bike Only)

[WETH]

Minh,
Wow! Thanks for sharing this.  I have put it on my calendar.
Erl

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[RBW] Skyline Drive on 4/23 (Bike Only)

[Tony DeFilippo]

Erika and I are thinking about this to!

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[RBW] Re: Skyline Drive on 4/23 (Bike Only)

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet! Anyone know ... is there a listing of similar closures to cars 
anywhere?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 10:42:03 AM UTC-7, Minh wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone have plans to ride Skyline Drive on 4/23?  As part of National 
> Parks week the NPS is closing the road to cars from MM 0 in Front Royal to 
> MM30 in Thornton!
>
> https://www.nps.gov/shen/ride-the-drive.htm
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Wayne Naha]

It's all about having the choice!  Joe Appaloosa may cover the same 
functional range of the Atlantis, but that's not the end of the story.  The 
Atlantis has a style and grace all it's own.  The Appaloosa has it's own, 
too, but different.  And that's the choice.  An embarrassment of riches, 
perhaps.  A good problem to have.

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:11:39 AM UTC-5, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Besides all the technical differencesthere's a *deep* and *abiding* 
> appreciation that I have a choice between a MUSA frame and import frame 
> with similar design considerations across the Riv spectrum.  RBW is beyond 
> unique in that respect.   
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>>
>> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make 
>> the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than the 
>> Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
>> Atlantis?
>>
>> Reid
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

['Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have done all-dayers (~80 miles on mixed terrain) on albatross bars. 
Enjoyment all the way - no issues whatsoever. Hoping to do a 100 mile day 
this year.

I haven't used it for multi-day long rides (i.e. touring use).

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 5:11:06 AM UTC, Matt B. wrote:
>
> +1 on drops being more comfortable on all day rides, especially multiple 
> consecutive all day rides.   And especially Noodles :)
>
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 9:21:15 PM UTC-5, RichS wrote:
>>
>> John, just my 2 cents but my Atlantis has drop bars and I've done all day 
>> rides with no problem as I'm sure other Atlantis owners in the group have 
>> too.
>>
>> My limited experience with upright bars (Albatross) leads me to believe 
>> doing an all dayer would not be as comfortable but YMMV.
>>
>> Full disclosure: I currently have Noodles on all my rides. The drops 
>> don't get much use but all the other locations do.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2017, at 8:14 PM, John Hawrylak  wrote:
>>
>> Grant
>>
>> I agree with your points on JA vs Atlantis.  I remember the Top Tube Ruse 
>> article and Mutton Chop Marv.  Just 1 question:
>>
>> If you were riding 6 to 8 hours, would you take the JA with swept back 
>> bars and more upright position, or the Atlantis with drop bars even or 
>> slightly above saddle height?  Ignore any weight or tubing differences.  
>>
>> Thanks 
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
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[RBW] Re: RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Bill Lindsay]

The other bike to compare with your RB-1 is the forthcoming Roadini.  It's 
intended to be functionally equivalent to the Roadeo, but it only costs 
~$800.  If you swapped over your entire RB-1 build kit to a Roadini, the 
only new parts you'd need would be brake calipers and a 26.8mm seatpost. 
 Grant posted a pdf brochure of the frameset on the "Atlantis redundant?" 
thread.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 10:12:26 AM UTC-8, clifto...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I've finished building a complete NOS 1993 RB-1 and now I'm wondering, 
> having always hankered for a Rivendell, a Legolas in particular, if I 
> should try to sell it and start fresh. Would the Riv ride much better?  The 
> Bridgestone was a frameset that a rep gave his cousin, was never built, and 
> it sat in the garage for 22 years until I bought it. I put on a full NOS 
> Dura-Ace 9 speed triple group with down tube shifters and Nitto bar, stem, 
> etc. Ultegra Open Pro wheels.  Looks like the frame will take 32c and after 
> one short ride it's a great fit. 
> But now as I'm waiting for spring, I'm doubting. What does anyone think?   
> Thanks! 
> Ps. I know the Legolas is different in many ways but it's the one I always 
> wanted. Could be a Roadeo these days. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Bill Lindsay]

The Roadini frame and fork for $800.  That's an incredibly good price.  And 
that new ball and socket seat lug!  Gotta have it.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 10:45:10 PM UTC-8, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> So far the plan is something like (by memory, I'm not at work) 
> 62-16
> 58-22
> 55-22
> 51-20
> 48-10   90 total
>
> From my point of view it should be easy to sell those, because if you WANT 
> a road bike the Roadini should stop you in your tracks...but I am not good 
> at those kinds of predictions. 
>
> I expect some will go to dealers, and we'll end up with about 60 bikes to 
> sell. I'm working on a flyer--attached. We'll start including this in 
> orders and put it online soon. It may have typos, but it's not final. 
>
> I expect this will be our only run of them. We have to be careful, we 
> can't afford to store bikes...and if it so happens that OUR customers don't 
> want this kind of bike, we aren't going to get any more of them, and lesson 
> learned. I'll get one myself--it's been years since I've had a road bike, 
> and I do come from there and don't hate them, and it IS my company and 
> all...and when, in the flyer, I talk about a prospective buyer who kinda 
> wants a road bike but can't or won't spend a lot of money on it and likes 
> variety--- it's entirely about me there--but there must be some others.
>
> To get to Ryan's question: If these sell well, we'll do one more run, and 
> if we can get commitments for six big-boy Roadini frames, we'll make ten of 
> them.
>
> The graphics are good. There are some neat things on it--it's far from a 
> generic cheap tig bike. Too early for geometry stuff. I have that, of 
> course, but basically it's a predictable Rivendell, and I hope that gives 
> some comfort to anybody who might worry. I didn't look up "contemporary 
> road bike frame geometry" and go from there. 
>
> That's all I can say about the Roadini until we get our samples. 
>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Abcyclehank 
> > wrote:
>
>> Grant,
>> Will the Roadini come in a 68cm?  JK.  Thanks for all the great bike you 
>> have put out for us vertically challenged riders in the 100cm pbh range.  
>> You have provided a freedom, and returned that childlike existence to my 
>> riding career.  Forever indebted to you, your vision, and RBW as a whole.  
>> The staff and team you put together is amazing every one I have ever had 
>> the pleasure of dealing with.
>>
>> sincerely,
>> Ryan Hankinson
>> 68cm Atlantis
>> 68cm Custom
>> Future owner of
>> "Jumbo" large HHH
>> Will's Rosco Mountain Mixte
>>
>> p.s. I know those on the other side of the spectrum are just as happy as 
>> I.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Kendal Panniers (pair)

[Will Ashe]

Sold.

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:31:01 AM UTC-8, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
>
> I'm selling a barely used pair of Carradice Kendal panniers in the 
> green/honey colorway. I purchased these to use for short camping trips but 
> I've been so busy with work that I don't think they'll get any use. 
>
> These are perfect for a Nitto 27f as they are wider than they are tall, 
> aka "landscape orientation". I think $100 shipped CONUS is fair.
>
> http://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/panniers/originals-kendal-panniers-pair
>
>
> Best, 
> Will Ashe
> Los Angeles
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Patrick Moore]

Bill: where is all this info and display about the Roadini? I did too look,
and I still can't find it.

How does the Roadini compare with the Roadeo:

Tubing?
Geometry?

At just more than 1/3 of the Roadeo, it won't look as nice, but then all
the Riv bikes I've seen, in person and in photo, look far better than many
of the bikes I've yearned for in the past. I'm sure that a $800 road frame
from Riv will look better than most on the road.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The Roadini frame and fork for $800.  That's an incredibly good price.
> And that new ball and socket seat lug!  Gotta have it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On S
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[RBW] Re: Skyline Drive on 4/23 (Bike Only)

[Kevin Lindsey]

I'm tentatively planning to give it a shot with a couple of my buddies.  
Not sure whether I'll drag the Hunq out, or try something a bit lighter, 
given the hills.
Kevin

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 12:42:03 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone have plans to ride Skyline Drive on 4/23?  As part of National 
> Parks week the NPS is closing the road to cars from MM 0 in Front Royal to 
> MM30 in Thornton!
>
> https://www.nps.gov/shen/ride-the-drive.htm
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[RBW] Re: OT: dual monitor question

[Garth]

  This will give you a visual on the difference between a 27" QHD and the 
1080p.

https://pcmonitors.info/articles/2560-x-1440-vs-1920-x-1080/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick Moore inquired about the brochure.  He doesn't (can't?) view this 
google group on a web browser, so he doesn't have this entire thread 
conveniently laid out before him.  

Grant attached a pdf brochure to his post about 12 hours ago (Lob knows why 
he was up so late).  It had no geometry chart, but it did have a list of 
nominal sizes and the PBH ranges for each.  It says nothing specific about 
tubing, except that it's heavier than Roadeo tubing.  The brochure invites 
us to email grant to register interest.  I'm sure he'll send you a copy of 
the pdf brochure if you are unable to see it as a determined email-only 
viewer.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 11:30:50 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Bill: where is all this info and display about the Roadini? I did too 
> look, and I still can't find it.
>
> How does the Roadini compare with the Roadeo:
>
> Tubing?
> Geometry?
>
> At just more than 1/3 of the Roadeo, it won't look as nice, but then all 
> the Riv bikes I've seen, in person and in photo, look far better than many 
> of the bikes I've yearned for in the past. I'm sure that a $800 road frame 
> from Riv will look better than most on the road.
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> The Roadini frame and fork for $800.  That's an incredibly good price.  
>> And that new ball and socket seat lug!  Gotta have it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On S
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Tim Gavin]

I'm still curious how the ball-and-socket seat lug will be finished.  Will
the ball be brazed into the socket?  Seems legit.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Bill: where is all this info and display about the Roadini? I did too
> look, and I still can't find it.
>
> How does the Roadini compare with the Roadeo:
>
> Tubing?
> Geometry?
>
> At just more than 1/3 of the Roadeo, it won't look as nice, but then all
> the Riv bikes I've seen, in person and in photo, look far better than many
> of the bikes I've yearned for in the past. I'm sure that a $800 road frame
> from Riv will look better than most on the road.
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> The Roadini frame and fork for $800.  That's an incredibly good price.
>> And that new ball and socket seat lug!  Gotta have it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On S
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: dual monitor question

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I'll read it carefully.

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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Ray Varella]

Patrick,
 I just sent the PDF that Grant posted. 
Check your email and see if you are able to open it. 

Ray
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[RBW] Re: Skyline Drive on 4/23 (Bike Only)

[Minh]

If there are folks in the DC area that are thinking of car pooling please 
post in this thread.  Front Royal is still about an hour from DC so getting 
out there still requires some planning.  

Has anyone ridden this route before?  I'm curious about which bike would 
make the most sense, I've not driven this section of Skyline Drive in quite 
awhile.   Are there points on in between that would make sense for a 
roundtrip etc?  

Patrick, i can't find a consolidated list anywhere, but the NPS are doing 
this in other places, for example here's one for Crater Lake 
Oregon, 
https://home.nps.gov/crla/planyourvisit/vehicle-free-days-on-east-rim-drive.htm

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[RBW] Re: Skyline Drive on 4/23 (Bike Only)

[Minh]

In case anyone missed it, registration is required, but it does not 
gurantee parking space.  see here, 

 ”Ride the Drive” is open to bicycles and other non-motorized vehicles. 
Registration opens March 10 and is required but does not guarantee a 
parking space. Registration information can be found on the Park website at 
www.nps.gov/shen/ride-the-drive.htm


On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 3:58:05 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote:
>
> If there are folks in the DC area that are thinking of car pooling please 
> post in this thread.  Front Royal is still about an hour from DC so getting 
> out there still requires some planning.  
>
> Has anyone ridden this route before?  I'm curious about which bike would 
> make the most sense, I've not driven this section of Skyline Drive in quite 
> awhile.   Are there points on in between that would make sense for a 
> roundtrip etc?  
>
> Patrick, i can't find a consolidated list anywhere, but the NPS are doing 
> this in other places, for example here's one for Crater Lake Oregon, 
> https://home.nps.gov/crla/planyourvisit/vehicle-free-days-on-east-rim-drive.htm
>
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[RBW] FS: 58cm Blu Ram

[MoVelo]

I am wanting to gauge interest. Will send pics to those interested. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn saddlebag and Carradice Bagman (older quick release version)

[Will Ashe]

I'm also willing to sell these individually if you only want one or the 
other. The only thing to be aware of is that the Acorn bag doesn't have the 
seatpost strap. You can purchase the leather standoff directly from Acorn 
if you like, or just use a John's Irish Strap.

https://www.acornbags.com/collections/accessories-all/products/leather-stand-off-with-strap

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree. The fact that it is a tig-welded bicycle is about the 87th thing I 
think of when looking at my Clementine. Which means I've never really 
thought of it as such.

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 2:30:50 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> ...all the Riv bikes I've seen, in person and in photo, look far better 
> than many of the bikes I've yearned for in the past. I'm sure that a $800 
> road frame from Riv will look better than most on the road.
>
> .
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Will]

You retain the Atlantis because it is the seminal design that put Rivendell 
on the map. If you ride one you will get this. It's a great bike. 
 
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 10:07:18 PM UTC-6, Reid wrote:
>
> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make 
> the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than the 
> Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
> Atlantis?
>
> Reid
>
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Re: [RBW] RB-1 vs Rivendell

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

G. Petersen, from the radavist piece eight years ago: "*The Bstones were 
good bikes, especially considering their competition. They were lugged and 
steel, had classic looks and rode really well. They were excellent values 
and are still excellent bikes, but they would absolutely not make the 
starting team here *[ie, Rivendell]."

Holy cow, build up that Rodeo and ride it instead of not letting go of 
something you don't have! (But if yer gonna sell, you might do it soon, as 
the Roadini rollout may dampen the NIB Rodeo market a wee bit.) The RB-1 is 
not that hard to acquire, if you don't mind paying the iconic premium. 

On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 10:03:57 PM UTC-5, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> I have ridden an RB-1 but only for a short ride. I also rode a Heron Road 
> for a short ride. I had a too small for me Ram and a fit-me-perfectly 
> Bleriot. The biggest thing that sticks out for me is how differently they 
> felt. I liked the RB-1 and Ram, loved the Bleriot, didn't like the Heron. 
> Citing specific reasons for those feelings would be difficult but they are 
> accurate descriptions of how much I enjoyed riding each. 
>
> I also have a new in the box 56cm Quickbeam and a new in the box 57cm 
> Rodeo. One of these days I'll get around to building (or selling) them.  
>
> If I had an RB-1 I don't think I'd be able to let it go. It- along with 
> the MB-1 and XO-1- are such iconic bikes and almost proto-Rivendells. 
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clementine and Jones+ Trail Ride

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Tony. One thing that strikes me is how not-out-of-place the 
Clementine is, hanging with the Jones+ and its 3" rubber. And yet it looks 
equally appropriate on a grocery run. Doesn't get much more versatile than 
that!




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[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a Clementine, similar long stays. If you go panniers, and don't need 
to take them off each day when you secure the bike at work, I highly 
recommend the Sackville back o bike bags. I just got back from a grocery 
run on a bike with zippered panniers and multi pockets, a less satisfying 
experience getting stuff in and out than with the BOBBs.

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 11:55:46 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Ed  &  Jeremy, thanks for the pannier experience. Thats interesting that a 
> pannier loaded on one side doesn't affect handling. It definitely makes it 
> more versatile. I'll probably go the rear pannier route!
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 9:59:31 PM UTC-5, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, no photos ATM but my setup isn't much different than photos at the 
>> riv site.
>>
>> For the front I'm running the "riv standard" Wald 137 basket tie wrapped 
>> to a Nitto front rack. I've got the M18 but I'd recommend the Mark's. The 
>> R14 probably would be overkill for that size basket. I got a medium riv 
>> Sackville where I keep the spare tube, tools, pump, anything I need to 
>> reach easily (badge, locker key, phone), and any layering items (jacket, 
>> vest, gloves).The Sackville has two tabs: I loop velcro straps through 
>> those onto the basket. I've got a bike locker at work, but taking and 
>> lugging the Sackville out is pretty easy if I need to lock up the bike.
>>
>> For the rear, I used to have the Pletscher Clem rack (with the pannier 
>> bars and light tab) but now am running the medium Nitto 32R. I'm using the 
>> rack tab on top of the seat stay, toward the front. The medium can't use 
>> the rearmost rack tab since the deck hits the tire. The large 32R probably 
>> would work on my 51cm bike using that rearmost tab. The Clem rack worked 
>> fine, and I really liked it's wide flat deck. I switched to R32 simply for 
>> the bling: the performance for commuting seemed the same.
>>
>> For my primary bag, I use an Ortlieb Commuter bag (
>> https://ortliebusa.com/product/commuter-bag-ql3-1/) with the QL3.1 
>> mount. That carries a laptop, a change of clothes, work papers, thermos, 
>> and a snack. The nice thing about the QL 3.1 is the back of the bag is flat 
>> and doesn't have any hardware sticking out. Also, on-and-off for the bag is 
>> super quick. The disadvantage is having to mount some hardware on the rack 
>> that needs to be removed in order mount any other bag on that side of the 
>> rack.
>>
>> One issue I had with other bikes in running this particular setup in the 
>> rear was the offset load - one heavy pannier on the left side - noticeably 
>> affected handling. That's not a problem with the Appaloosa. Also, I've 
>> experimented with multiple pannier bags and didn't have a problem with heel 
>> strike, nor did I really need to make extreme adjustments to the pannier 
>> hooks to get the bag to work right.
>>
>> --Ed
>>
>> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
>>> commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an 
>>> R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
>>> Nitto 32R and putting panniers.
>>>
>>> Pics requested! Please
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clementine and Jones+ Trail Ride

[scott]

Not super related, but it is nice when you can swap bikes. My lovely wife and I 
can do that. A couple of weeks ago I had a pal in town and went on my first 
ever 3 riv ride. We swapped bikes amongst each other throughout the ride. Only 
problem is my wife always likes my stuff better...but this is a thing that goes 
beyond bikes. She steals my socks, hats, shirts, jackets, etc. It is all in 
good fun!

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[RBW] Re: RB-1 vs Rivendell

[cliftonjlong]

Thanks again to everyone for all the useful perspectives!  Andy's reply in 
particular really speaks to what I'm wondering about.  If a Rivendell 
really feels like a higher quality bike and is less fatiguing (read more 
enjoyable) over middle distances then that appeals to me a lot.  As I get 
older and more achy but still able and wanting to do 75 mile rides with 
some regularity (thanks Advil!) comfort means a lot.  I know prices for the 
RB-1 peaked some time ago and even fairly priced, good condition examples 
with up-graded components seem to languish on Ebay but I assume if I can 
honestly say it's an NOS bike/build with one 20 mile shakedown ride I think 
it would bring a better premium that if I did a couple of metric centuries 
on it.  Fortunately it's not nearly spring here in Vermont (was 1 degree 
this am) so I have some more time to ponder.  Now if I'd only started this 
thread before that new 57 Roadeo frame sold on Ebay for $1500!

I've tried to attach a small picture as I have no photo site at the moment.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Vintage Ibis Touring Rivendellized 21.5"

[Patrick Moore]

Interesting bike, and man!, that is some stem! How long is it?

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:01 PM, PaulM  wrote:

> Thirty year old custom Ibis touring mountain bike made by Wes Williams at
> Ibis Cycles. All original except my "upgrading": nitto albatross bars, NOS
> Suntour friction shifters, MKS platform pedals, Sugino crankset, Origin 8
> leather saddle, Tektro front cantilevers, Coda MTB levers, XTR front
> derailleur. Original paint, wheels XT (6-speed), stem, type 2 fork, seat
> post, headset, XT-U brake. Purchased from Bicycle Czar in Santa Rosa CA who
> acquired it from the original owner. At most has been ridden 500 miles. No
> rust or dents and a few scrapes in the paint. Rides perfect. $1200 +
> shipping
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[RBW] Re: RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Don Compton]

Beautiful bike. Great traditional RB-1 paint scheme and colors. 
In your pic, I noticed that the chainstays are much shorter on an RB-1 than 
on a Roadeo. 

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 5:20:48 PM UTC-8, clifto...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Thanks again to everyone for all the useful perspectives!  Andy's reply in 
> particular really speaks to what I'm wondering about.  If a Rivendell 
> really feels like a higher quality bike and is less fatiguing (read more 
> enjoyable) over middle distances then that appeals to me a lot.  As I get 
> older and more achy but still able and wanting to do 75 mile rides with 
> some regularity (thanks Advil!) comfort means a lot.  I know prices for the 
> RB-1 peaked some time ago and even fairly priced, good condition examples 
> with up-graded components seem to languish on Ebay but I assume if I can 
> honestly say it's an NOS bike/build with one 20 mile shakedown ride I think 
> it would bring a better premium that if I did a couple of metric centuries 
> on it.  Fortunately it's not nearly spring here in Vermont (was 1 degree 
> this am) so I have some more time to ponder.  Now if I'd only started this 
> thread before that new 57 Roadeo frame sold on Ebay for $1500!
>
> I've tried to attach a small picture as I have no photo site at the moment.
>

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[RBW] Rivendell tandem builds

[Daniel Jackson]

I really can't wait for our large sage tandem with Paul components levers and 
brakes (motolites and a klamper), compass tires, son lighting, choco bars, 
Honjo fenders, and duel sprung brooks saddles. 

Still thinking about gearing but most likely friction 2 x 10 

Gonna be rad this summer on some VT dirt and a little third 3 year old rider 
towed behind. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn saddlebag and Carradice Bagman (older quick release version)

[Bob K.]

Hey Will, I'm on mobile and can't PM. Is the Bagman the "Sport" or "Expedition" 
model? Quick release or standard? Thanks!

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn saddlebag and Carradice Bagman (older quick release version)

[Will Ashe]

Hey Bob, 

It's an older quick release version. I'm not sure exactly what this model 
is called. I'll post a better pic as soon as I can. 

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 6:30:07 PM UTC-8, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Will, I'm on mobile and can't PM. Is the Bagman the "Sport" or 
> "Expedition" model? Quick release or standard? Thanks!
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn saddlebag and Carradice Bagman (older quick release version)

[Will Ashe]

Bag is sold.

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[RBW] FS: Various Shimano goodies - Dura Ace 7400, 600 Tri-color, and more

[Mike K.]

Some random parts I've collected the last few years that I need to get rid 
of to help finance the Ram build. All prices include shipping CONUS.

Dura Ace FC-7402 - 172.5 arms, 53/42 rings. The 53 is pretty rugged (a few 
chipped teeth etc, would definitely recommend getting a replacement) but 
the 42 is looking good. - $80 OBO
- Overall in good shape. Logos are crisp. Some shoe rub on the drive arm. 
Includes Dura Ace dust caps.

Shimano 600 Tri-color (6400 group), all in good shape
2 Rear Derailleurs - $30 each
1 set of shift levers - $30
1 rear brake (rear only!) - $15

Shimano Z Derailleurs - served me well for years on my commuter. Simple 
friction set up. - $20 for the set
- Rear derailleur is long cage.
- Have run the Front Derailleur on a double crank and triple crank.

Braze-on Campagnolo Front Derailleur - I think it's NR, but honestly not 
sure. Feel free to make an offer if you know which it is and are 
interested. Came off a damaged Medici frame.

Link to pictures: https://flic.kr/s/aHskQkkDij

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[RBW] Re: FS: Various Shimano goodies - Dura Ace 7400, 600 Tri-color, and more

[Mike K.]

Just realized I forgot something. The Z front derailleur is 31.8 clamp 
size. I ran it on an old Cannondale for a while.

- Mike in ATX

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:08:40 PM UTC-6, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Some random parts I've collected the last few years that I need to get rid 
> of to help finance the Ram build. All prices include shipping CONUS.
>
> Dura Ace FC-7402 - 172.5 arms, 53/42 rings. The 53 is pretty rugged (a few 
> chipped teeth etc, would definitely recommend getting a replacement) but 
> the 42 is looking good. - $80 OBO
> - Overall in good shape. Logos are crisp. Some shoe rub on the drive arm. 
> Includes Dura Ace dust caps.
>
> Shimano 600 Tri-color (6400 group), all in good shape
> 2 Rear Derailleurs - $30 each
> 1 set of shift levers - $30
> 1 rear brake (rear only!) - $15
>
> Shimano Z Derailleurs - served me well for years on my commuter. Simple 
> friction set up. - $20 for the set
> - Rear derailleur is long cage.
> - Have run the Front Derailleur on a double crank and triple crank.
>
> Braze-on Campagnolo Front Derailleur - I think it's NR, but honestly not 
> sure. Feel free to make an offer if you know which it is and are 
> interested. Came off a damaged Medici frame.
>
> Link to pictures: https://flic.kr/s/aHskQkkDij
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[RBW] FS: Vintage Ibis Touring Rivendellized 21.5"

[iamkeith]

Gawd, that's beautiful.  Wish i could afford it.

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[RBW] Re: RB-1 vs Rivendell

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Interesting. I came across a thread the other day (or perhaps it was a 
Resurrectio) in which J. Heine was saying chainstay length does not matter 
much, at least in the parameters it normally varies by (he used wheelbase 
total). He states that in general, any change that creates an effect must 
be at least a 5% change. The RB1 --at least the 1989 version reviewed in 
Bicycling--came with what the reviewer called a "longish" chainstay of 
16.25", which is just over 41cm. I'm assuming the geometry du jour may have 
called for 39-40cm. The Rodeo comes in 43 or 43.6. So, at 2cm, give or 
take, not a lot of difference there, and Jan would say no affect on 
handling characteristics. He does allow that outside of this range--lets 
say 41-45--it may have an affect.

Certainly the most recent Rivendells are well into this 5% change 
territory. I doubt there is much difference between 41.25 and 43, but I'm 
also skeptical that 3-4cm doesn't make a difference. Partially because he 
bases the 5% on overall wheelbase, not on chainstay length. (That's like 
using the combination of saddle fore-aft position and stem length combined 
to make a 5% change). Here is the passage, it was over on 650B:

*The idea that longer wheelbases change a bike's handling has been around 
for a long time, and at first sight, it makes sense. However, as always, we 
need to ask how much of a difference it really does make.*

*How long do the chainstays need to be to get a difference in handling? 
Most bikes have a wheelbase of about 1000 - 1050 mm. To get a noticeable 
effect, you usually need to make a change of at least 5%. So that would 
mean 50 mm (5 cm) longer wheelbase. Yet the chainstay differences between 
similar bikes are usually in the range of 15-25 mm.*

*From my own experience: Peter Weigle and I once rode one of his bikes and 
and an Alex Singer, back to back. Both had identical geometries, tires, 
loads, etc., except the Weigle had 20 mm longer chainstays (450 mm instead 
of 430 mm). Peter and I rode the bikes before talking about it to avoid 
influencing each other, and we each decided independently that they handled 
identical, much to our surprise. (We also "knew" that longer stays make a 
bike more stable.)*

*These were front-loading randonneur bikes, it is perhaps possible that a 
heavy rear load is affected by chainstay length, because the distance 
between load center and rear axle changes by more than 5%.*



On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:10:16 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
> Beautiful bike. Great traditional RB-1 paint scheme and colors. 
> In your pic, I noticed that the chainstays are much shorter on an RB-1 
> than on a Roadeo. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Skyline Drive on 4/23 (Bike Only)

[panog]

That's how the climbs look at RWGPS https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19407396. 
Persistent 4% to 7% grades.

Pano 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Various Shimano goodies - Dura Ace 7400, 600 Tri-color, and more

[Mike K.]

Now featuring Phil Wood!

One more thing to add to the For Sale category.

I have 123mm of smooth-spinning goodness, with thread rings and loctite, 
plus the install tool.

Spins like the day it was made. Drive side mounting ring is pressed onto 
the bb and I don't see a reason to pry it off. I bought it that way and 
didn't have any trouble with it.

Asking $90 shipped CONUS priority mail

Queue the pictures: https://flic.kr/s/aHskVwBbib

Thanks,
Mike in ATX

>
>
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>>
>>
>> Link to pictures: https://flic.kr/s/aHskQkkDij
>>
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[RBW] Re: How are some Appaloosa owners loading up their bikes for commuting?

[Ed Carolipio]

 

I took a few minutes after coming home today to snap photos of my commute 
setup on the Appaloosa and posted them on Google Drive. 

 Frame 
size is 51 cm so wheels are 650b. (For context, here's a link to my earlier 
post 
 
in this thread.)


A few notes:

   - On 1, the grey Ortlieb commuter bag tilts forward not to avoid heel 
   strike but due to the fit of the QL3.1 hardware on the 32R. (See 4)
   - On 2, don't let the red pannier fool you: that's mostly air and weighs 
   less than 5 lbs.
   - On 3, that's a shot of the back side of the Back Roller on the rear 
   rack. Note how the rack clamps are separated evenly so the pannier is 
   centered on the rack front-to-rear. Also, it's mounted on the lower rail.
   - On 4, that's a shot of the rear rack with the Ortlieb commuter bag 
   removed. The black triangle thing is the QL3.1 hardware that stays behind 
   on the bike. Because the 32R has such a generous opening and I wanted the 
   option of running a small saddlesack, I had to run one side of the triangle 
   parallel to the rear vertical stay on the rack, which tilts the bag forward.
   - On 6, I shot a closeup of the ... ahem ... metal sculpting I did to 
   make the deck bar for the front rack go under the front cantis. A Mark's 
   front rack would be a cleaner and sturdier install. (That's a future 
   upgrade for me.)
   - On 7, that's the underside of the front bag/basket to show how many 
   tie wraps I used to secure the two together
   

--Ed

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 10:24:09 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I plan to run a front basket, but wondering how you guys run loads for 
> commuting? I want to take advantage of the long chainstays. I'm thinking an 
> R14 or Marks rack with a saddlebag, but also see the convenience in the 
> Nitto 32R and putting panniers.
>
> Pics requested! Please
>

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