[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe Mixte

[Steve Butcher]

Davey, 

In all fairness, I did not ride the Clem-L more than perhaps around the 
block.  The way it was set up, the Clem felt nearly like riding a Gazelle 
Dutch bike I once owned.  In other words, very upright.  My Rosco, though 
still quite upright, gives me just the slightest amount of forward lean in 
the setting.  Also, as has been described about many Rivendell bikes, I 
feel like I'm riding in the bike; instead of on it.  The Rosco has a 
definite plushness/springiness I enjoy, but is still quite responsive to my 
inputs.  I'm intrigued by the Rosco Mountain Mixte builds and would like to 
hear more about riders impressions of them.  

Doc

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 5:53:18 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> Hello friends.  I wanted to share a couple of photos of my Rosco Bubbe 
> mixte and early impressions.   This is my first Rivendell and only the 
> second one I've ridden; the first being a Clem-L at A-1 Cycle in 
> Indianapolis.  I had this bike built as my (new) daily commuter.  I truly 
> enjoy the plush, and yet lively ride it provides.  Doc.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human motivations 
lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live anything close 
to strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not doing so 
voluntarily. Our economy and our culture is just not set up that way. When 
does want or appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? Is being a 
hoarder greedy, or is some other driver at work? Staving off thoughts of 
mortality, perhaps? What about collectors, or connoisseurs? 

I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than any 
of these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one of the 
more amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy 
exploring it in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in 
that respect, as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest 
sliver of human history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy, 
store, and feed way more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly 
discuss said bicycles on the internets, is due mainly to the high per 
capita use of energy that we have been enjoying for the last century or so. 
But, as all things do eventually, that high energy consumption, and the 
many benefits that come with it, is winding down. That said, I think you 
are right that too much of anything, including bicycles, can ultimately 
impair contentment and gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some of 
my bicycle fixation --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more 
projects to go here...

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that I 
> saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart 
> against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Captain Conway Bennett]

Adam Leibow wins for my favorite stable.  

I would love a lighthouse sequoia, Ramanceur, Hunqapillar and I also recommend 
the BMC to the budget conscious.  If I ever needed to liquidate I'd replace 
everything with that monster cross.  It's a killer bike for the price but you 
sort of need to be in the know for it to be on your radar so it's got a little 
bit of a paradox going on.

Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett

> On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:13 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human motivations 
> lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live anything close to 
> strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not doing so voluntarily. 
> Our economy and our culture is just not set up that way. When does want or 
> appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? Is being a hoarder greedy, 
> or is some other driver at work? Staving off thoughts of mortality, perhaps? 
> What about collectors, or connoisseurs? 
> 
> I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than any of 
> these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one of the more 
> amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy exploring it 
> in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in that respect, 
> as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest sliver of human 
> history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy, store, and feed way 
> more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly discuss said bicycles on 
> the internets, is due mainly to the high per capita use of energy that we 
> have been enjoying for the last century or so. But, as all things do 
> eventually, that high energy consumption, and the many benefits that come 
> with it, is winding down. That said, I think you are right that too much of 
> anything, including bicycles, can ultimately impair contentment and 
> gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some of my bicycle fixation 
> --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more projects to go here...
> 
>> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>> ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that I saw 
>> in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart against, 
>> and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Lee Legrand]

When contentment is derived from having things or having less things, then
contentment is always regulated on external things being set. Which is
always have within it, discontentment since nothing external is set but
comes and goes.  It is not so much as having bicycle N+1 bicycle but I
think it is more of need and opportunity.  If people bought bicycles based
on what they  used them for, instead of being fixated on fads and new gear,
it is not that they will have greater contentment but it bicycles are used
as needs as part of their life.  If a person can do whatever they needed on
one bicycles vs someone needing 3 bicycles to do what they need for their
life, why is the person with 3 less content than the one who has one? They
are using the bicycle out of necessity.

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human
> motivations lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live
> anything close to strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not
> doing so voluntarily. Our economy and our culture is just not set up that
> way. When does want or appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? Is
> being a hoarder greedy, or is some other driver at work? Staving off
> thoughts of mortality, perhaps? What about collectors, or connoisseurs?
>
> I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than any
> of these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one of the
> more amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy
> exploring it in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in
> that respect, as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest
> sliver of human history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy,
> store, and feed way more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly
> discuss said bicycles on the internets, is due mainly to the high per
> capita use of energy that we have been enjoying for the last century or so.
> But, as all things do eventually, that high energy consumption, and the
> many benefits that come with it, is winding down. That said, I think you
> are right that too much of anything, including bicycles, can ultimately
> impair contentment and gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some of
> my bicycle fixation --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more
> projects to go here...
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that I
>> saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart
>> against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Surlyprof]

Congratulations Chris and everyone else who ordered.  We'll be looking forward 
to the build photos.  Speaking of which, has anyone from the first round built 
theirs up as a mountain-ish bike.  I thought that bike could be really fun 
decked out with a set of Thunder Burts.

John

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[RBW] Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[Broccoli Cog]

I'm trying to decide which Sackville Saddlesack would be better for my Sam. 
I now have a rear rack so either would work. I plan on using it for 
commuting, running errands, and the occasional S24O. I have a Mark's rack 
on the front with a Wald basket for some extra carrying space. My original 
thought was to get the medium with the thought that it would be plenty big 
enough for my needs. I am also leery about having this huge bag on my bike. 
 That said, I don't want to make such a large investment and be kicking 
myself that I didn't get the bigger bag. Would appreciate any advice you 
could share. 

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Re: [RBW] Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[Steven Sweedler]

I just bought a used Large and am still a little shocked at how big it is,
I have both an Adam and a Hoss and was looking for a more Adam than Hoss
sized bag. I must   say it is a very nicely made bag in a very different
style than the Cartwright series. Steve

Plymouth, NH
On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 10:19 AM Broccoli Cog  wrote:

> I'm trying to decide which Sackville Saddlesack would be better for my
> Sam. I now have a rear rack so either would work. I plan on using it for
> commuting, running errands, and the occasional S24O. I have a Mark's rack
> on the front with a Wald basket for some extra carrying space. My original
> thought was to get the medium with the thought that it would be plenty big
> enough for my needs. I am also leery about having this huge bag on my
> bike.  That said, I don't want to make such a large investment and be
> kicking myself that I didn't get the bigger bag. Would appreciate any
> advice you could share.
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[RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Bill M.]

Long time audio geek here, but not so much with the tubes and vinyl these 
days.  I my case, it's CD's ripped to a hard drive, streamed to a 
Squeezebox, digits delivered to a 4-way digital crossover feeding multiple 
amps, horn tweeters and high-efficiency woofers and a couple of subs. 
 Lately I've been exploring the headphone world and enjoying them quite a 
bit more than I had in the past.

The comment about audio and bikes rings true with me, the folks I knew back 
in my college years were into both.  The third hobby in that cluster was 
tropical fish.  All of my aquaria are gone, no good place for one in my 
current home.

Bill
Stockton, CA

On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 7:29:46 AM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I have been reading a new book that might be of interest to group members: 
> *The 
> Revenge of Analog *by David Sax. So far, the author has discussed the 
> revival of vinyl records just when it appeared that the MP3 had conquered 
> vinyl forever. I think he's going to take it to other areas as well.
>
> I see parallels between a preference for vinyl records and a preference 
> for friction shifting, among other things. (It could be that I just spend 
> too much time thinking about bikes.)
>
>
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[RBW] WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[Tony DeFilippo]

I'm looking to re-fork my XO-3 for easier 2" tire clearance and mid-fork 
braze on's for rackage.  I've got a 59cm XO-3 and the head tube is about 
24cm so I'd need at least that, more would be fine or preferred on the 
steerer tube.  26" wheel canti preferred as I want to run my Bruce Gordon 
fancy canti brakes on this rig.  I'd take any color, pretty much any usable 
condition.  Figure it's a long shot but maybe someone has one laying 
around.  PM me if you want to sell, I've got some interesting bits for 
trade to if that is more up your alley.

Thanks,
Tony

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[Tony DeFilippo]

One more thought, if I can't find a Riv fork an old segmented canti MTB 
fork would also be cool and I could manage w/o the braze ons.  Tony

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 11:35:19 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I'm looking to re-fork my XO-3 for easier 2" tire clearance and mid-fork 
> braze on's for rackage.  I've got a 59cm XO-3 and the head tube is about 
> 24cm so I'd need at least that, more would be fine or preferred on the 
> steerer tube.  26" wheel canti preferred as I want to run my Bruce Gordon 
> fancy canti brakes on this rig.  I'd take any color, pretty much any usable 
> condition.  Figure it's a long shot but maybe someone has one laying 
> around.  PM me if you want to sell, I've got some interesting bits for 
> trade to if that is more up your alley.
>
> Thanks,
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[drew]

Medium is really big. Large is extremely big.
The medium is bigger than carradice's biggest bag. I can fit sleeping bag, 
tent, u-lock, multi-tool, a couple shirts and overnight toiletries in mine and 
then strap the sleeping pad to the top. For me, it's too big for commuting or 
general riding around, and too expensive to leave on all the time. It is 
perfect for carrying a lot of stuff. I know people really like the large but I 
can't imagine ever filling it up all the way.

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Re: [RBW] WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[James Warren]

I hope this works for you, because it's already such a great, fun bike. It'll 
be really cool to enhance it.

I got tremendous use out of my low price red XO-3, riding it to work and all 
over back in 2000. I'm 6'4", but I made it work with the Riv bar at the time 
shaped like Albatross but that couldn't take bar-end shifters. Great bike and 
not TOO precious. Kinda perfect in that way. I'd leave it locked outside while 
seeing a movie. I eventually gave it to a nephew and he spilled paint on it by 
accident, but the ride is still great.

The 26" XO-3 is one of the best Bridgestones, and was probably underrated. 
Clem-like, I think. (Except I doubt the Clem is underrated.) And it's lugged!

-Jim


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> On Apr 8, 2017, at 8:35 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
> 
> I'm looking to re-fork my XO-3 for easier 2" tire clearance and mid-fork 
> braze on's for rackage.  I've got a 59cm XO-3 and the head tube is about 24cm 
> so I'd need at least that, more would be fine or preferred on the steerer 
> tube.  26" wheel canti preferred as I want to run my Bruce Gordon fancy canti 
> brakes on this rig.  I'd take any color, pretty much any usable condition.  
> Figure it's a long shot but maybe someone has one laying around.  PM me if 
> you want to sell, I've got some interesting bits for trade to if that is more 
> up your alley.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tony
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[RBW] Re: seeking Rivendell Saluki reviews...and maybe a lead

[Dick Denning]

Matt: 

I have a 61 Bleriot (sidepulls, not canti's) I would consider selling.  
Email me at denning at bright.net if interested in talking.  I am in Ohio.  

Thanks, 

Dick  

>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:10:53 PM UTC-4, Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>> I cannot get a Rivendell Saluki out of my mind.  I've been watching 
>> craigslist nationwide and Ebay, but have never seen any come up for sale 
>> since I missed out on that purple one last year.  Were very few made, or 
>> are they so cherished that they never go up for sale?  
>>
>> I've got an Atlantis and feel like I should be perfectly happy with that, 
>> as they seem very similar in intentions.  For those that have had both, can 
>> you give me any feedback on comparisons?  Am I nuts for wanting both?  (I 
>> already have far more bikes than I should.)
>>
>> While on the topic, does anyone know of a 60cm cantilever Saluki that is 
>> for sale?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt Beecher
>> Oswego, IL
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[Nick Ybarra]

Just a counterexample.  I've got a large on my double top tube cant Sam, 
and I love it.  I use it for commuting every day as well as touring and 
camping rides.  I agree it's extremely big, but I like having the option of 
filling it up and don't really see a significant downside to having more 
room.  

If it were me, I'd get a large and test it out for a bit.  If you don't 
like it, you probably won't have trouble reselling it or even trading it to 
someone with a medium who wants more volume.  

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:45:16 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> Medium is really big. Large is extremely big.
> The medium is bigger than carradice's biggest bag. I can fit sleeping bag, 
> tent, u-lock, multi-tool, a couple shirts and overnight toiletries in mine 
> and then strap the sleeping pad to the top. For me, it's too big for 
> commuting or general riding around, and too expensive to leave on all the 
> time. It is perfect for carrying a lot of stuff. I know people really like 
> the large but I can't imagine ever filling it up all the way.

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[RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Ray Varella]

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 8:58:12 AM UTC-7, Charlie R wrote:
> I received a Rivendell email yesterday about another possible batch of the 
> Rosco sort of mountain mixte.  Sounds like the same as the last batch with 
> maybe a different color.  Cost is estimated to be $800 without bottom 
> bracket, headset or seatpost.  Grant said he needs a commitment for 8 and 
> money will necessary at the end of June.  
> 
> I'm on the list...
> 
> Charlie

John,
  I have mine set up with Thunder Burts. 
I'm thinking about swapping these Albatross bars for Bullmoose bars but it's 
really trail worthy the way it is.
I'll post a pic

Ray 
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] WTT New Marks rack for old marks rack or Nitto R14

[Philip Kim]

I ordered the marks rack for rear rack use with the toplight rear Dynamo light.
This new version doesn't have a tab but brazeons on the side for headlights.

Looking to trade this for an old marks rack or R14 rack with the tab to mount 
the rear b&m toplight dyno light.

The marks rack is brand new and hasn't seen any use

If no trade comes along I can sell this rack but prioritizing a trade.

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Re: [RBW] WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[Conway Bennett]

The stock fork stinks and limits what you can do up forward.  I did the same 
sort of thing with my 59 xo-2 but actually used 58 cm hunq fork and dropped the 
canti posts.  I think I ended being into the fork for around $300 which is in 
custom range.  

Depending on what tires you run maybe start thinking about crimping the chain 
stays.  I haven't but I've thought about it.

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[RBW] WTT New Marks rack for old marks rack or Nitto R14

[Justin, Oakland]

Phillip-
Are you in the Bay Area?

If so let me know and we can meet up. 

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Addison Wilhite]

Patrick, those Lamy Safaris are nice pens and a smoking deal in my book.
When I was just getting my feet wet I found this site a good primer as a
newby:  https://www.bestfountainpen.com/

It allowed me to gain some knowledge and set a bar for quality.  Only later
did I go down the rabbit hole of youtube videos, magazines, and attendance
at the San Francisco Fountain Pen show which pretty much got me hooked on
vintage flex pens.

To bring this back to bicycles, two of my best friends/riding buddies are
also into pens (I think there is a bit of competition going on) and it has
been remarkable seeing how much the pen choices have paralleled our
interests in bikes in terms of who likes buying high end equipment that
requires little fuss (I'm raising my hand) and who likes to pull apart
their pens and tinker (the other two).  When I reach for one of my pens I
want it to be ready to write even if I do know how to maintain them if I
need to do a little work.My friends get as much pleasure from tinkering
as they do writing it seems.  We all love to share and try out new inks.

The second pen I bought after a Parker Sonnet was this Waterman and I think
as a go to workhorse pen it is hard to beat for under $100.  I find myself
drawn back to it as my daily writer at work.  Smooth and consistent.  As in
all things, your preferences may differ as far as nib width, and intended
use, how it feels in your hand, etc.   The Montblanc Shakespeare Writers
Edition

is my most decadent pen and it writes like a dream.  Is it a better writer
than the Waterman?  Yes, but only marginally so.  As an English teacher and
lover of the Bard it was a special gift for myself and an instant heirloom.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NJOLLC/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B005NJOLLC&linkCode=as2&tag=nohyptimman-20&linkId=57RORCFU2WPB2AO2

Finally, I will make a small plug for looking at the vintage flex pen
options.  They are unequivocally better than the modern attempts at making
a flexible nibbed pen and that's kind of sad because the people who crafted
these 100 year old nibs that flexed like a "wet noodle" are long gone.  But
in terms of tactile writing experience there is simply no substitute.  My
three vintage flex pens are my special occasion pens for penpal
correspondents and are just magical (if quirky) to write with.

Best to all,
Addison


Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 




On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 6:21 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Addison: speaking of fountain pens. I'm certainly no collector, but I like
> fountain pens because they're the only writing instrument that allows me to
> write clearly (sort of; my handwriting is very bad) without my hand
> cramping, or else, without the point sliding all over the paper. The
> "glide" and the resistance are in just the right mix.
>
> But my experience, except for brief ownership of a Parker 51 which my
> daughter dropped nib first on a tile floor, has been with cheap fountain
> pens.
>
> This is what I have: https://www.amazon.com/Lamy-Safari-Fountain-Pen-
> Charcoal/dp/B0002T401Y/ref=zg_bs_1085704_4/160-5052302-
> 7745938?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=G7K36TEM9SN2BXAFK1JN
>
> In my limited experience, this writes very well. But in the cheap category
> (say, under $100,) can I do better? How will a cheap but better pen write
> compared to this? And if I have to pay more than $100 to get noticeably
> superior writing qualities, how much more?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Addison Wilhite  > wrote:
>
>> Just thought I'd chime in on the book.  I also just picked it up and have
>> only just finished the vinyl section.  I'm also an audiophile migrating
>> back towards vinyl and really enjoying the tactile experience and the
>> different way I listen to music.
>>
>> I am hoping the book digs deeper into some of the reasons why as humans
>> we tend to find these analog experiences more rewarding.  I've also
>> recently been bitten by the fountain pen bug which in some ways is more
>> dangerous than a bike obsession.  Easy to keep many more pens than find
>> space for a bike.  Plus, for $200 you can get a really nice pen.  But I've
>> spent much more on both a modern Montblanc and a vintage Waterman flex pen.
>>
>> Anyway...the book so far is definitely one to check out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Addison Wilhite, M.A.
>>
>> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology
>> 
>>
>> *“Blazing the Tra

Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[drew]

Would this be thick enough in 1 or more layers to prevent top tube dings from 
flopping handlebars? 

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[RBW] Will the Ocean Air Cycles Erlen Bag Support work w/ my Nitto seat post?

[John]

Hi everyone,

 Is anyone using their Erlen bag support with either a Nitto S-83 or 
the lugged Nitto S-84 seat post?  

I'm looking at the cross piece on the bag support and wondering if there is 
enough room for the support to fit if the full length of the S-83 saddle 
clamp.

I see longer bolts are supplied with the Erlen to fit your seat post, but 
the rails look a bit too short to me.

Any info you have would be appreciated!

Thanks,

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Addison, and good to know that my cheapo plastic pen is a decent
one; it certainly write nicely compared to ballpoints and #4 or even 2H
pencils! My hand doesn't cramp, and it forces me to write more slowly and
with a more relaxed hand. And, not least, my writing with it is almost
legible.

I'll look over the materials and consider the sub $100 Waterman. Thanks for
a good, concrete suggestion (I know it's not necessarily a
"recommendation").

That Mont Blanc! $1K for a pen! Or is it the $3.9K one? That's like paying,
what, $1000 for a bike! Crazy!

Thanks again.

Patrick

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Addison Wilhite 
wrote:

> Patrick, those Lamy Safaris are nice pens and a smoking deal in my book.
> When I was just getting my feet wet I found this site a good primer as a
> newby:  https://www.bestfountainpen.com/
>
> It allowed me to gain some knowledge and set a bar for quality.  Only
> later did I go down the rabbit hole of youtube videos, magazines, and
> attendance at the San Francisco Fountain Pen show which pretty much got me
> hooked on vintage flex pens.
>
> To bring this back to bicycles, two of my best friends/riding buddies are
> also into pens (I think there is a bit of competition going on) and it has
> been remarkable seeing how much the pen choices have paralleled our
> interests in bikes in terms of who likes buying high end equipment that
> requires little fuss (I'm raising my hand) and who likes to pull apart
> their pens and tinker (the other two).  When I reach for one of my pens I
> want it to be ready to write even if I do know how to maintain them if I
> need to do a little work.My friends get as much pleasure from tinkering
> as they do writing it seems.  We all love to share and try out new inks.
>
> The second pen I bought after a Parker Sonnet was this Waterman and I
> think as a go to workhorse pen it is hard to beat for under $100.  I find
> myself drawn back to it as my daily writer at work.  Smooth and
> consistent.  As in all things, your preferences may differ as far as nib
> width, and intended use, how it feels in your hand, etc.   The Montblanc
> Shakespeare Writers Edition
> 
> is my most decadent pen and it writes like a dream.  Is it a better writer
> than the Waterman?  Yes, but only marginally so.  As an English teacher and
> lover of the Bard it was a special gift for myself and an instant heirloom.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NJOLLC/ref=as_li_
> tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=
> B005NJOLLC&linkCode=as2&tag=nohyptimman-20&linkId=57RORCFU2WPB2AO2
>
> Finally, I will make a small plug for looking at the vintage flex pen
> options.  They are unequivocally better than the modern attempts at making
> a flexible nibbed pen and that's kind of sad because the people who crafted
> these 100 year old nibs that flexed like a "wet noodle" are long gone.  But
> in terms of tactile writing experience there is simply no substitute.  My
> three vintage flex pens are my special occasion pens for penpal
> correspondents and are just magical (if quirky) to write with.
>
> Best to all,
> Addison
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A.
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology
> 
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler 
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 6:21 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Addison: speaking of fountain pens. I'm certainly no collector, but I
>> like fountain pens because they're the only writing instrument that allows
>> me to write clearly (sort of; my handwriting is very bad) without my hand
>> cramping, or else, without the point sliding all over the paper. The
>> "glide" and the resistance are in just the right mix.
>>
>> But my experience, except for brief ownership of a Parker 51 which my
>> daughter dropped nib first on a tile floor, has been with cheap fountain
>> pens.
>>
>> This is what I have: https://www.amazon.com/L
>> amy-Safari-Fountain-Pen-Charcoal/dp/B0002T401Y/ref=zg_bs_
>> 1085704_4/160-5052302-7745938?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=
>> G7K36TEM9SN2BXAFK1JN
>>
>> In my limited experience, this writes very well. But in the cheap
>> category (say, under $100,) can I do better? How will a cheap but better
>> pen write compared to this? And if I have to pay more than $100 to get
>> noticeably superior writing qualities, how much more?
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Addison Wilhite <
>> addisonwilh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just thought I'd chime in on the book.  I also just picked it up and
>>> have only just finished the vinyl 

[RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[John Hawrylak]

Can anyone provide a rough estimate of the cost???

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 10:24:02 AM UTC-4, George Schick wrote:

> This is good to know - I've been looking for something like this for chain 
> slap protection.  It's gosh awful expensive, though, so it's good to know 
> that you can buy it in strips, too.  Entering the product name into a 
> Google search and then pulling up all of the images I see lots of photos of 
> bikes and bike shops using this, as well, so it's evidently one of those 
> best-kept little secrets.  In the event that it would ever need to be 
> replaced, though, how difficult is it to loosen the adhesive? 
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:57:08 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> You can buy pieces on ebay, but make sure it's 3M.  I made the mistake of 
>> buying some that was just clear vinyl with no adhesive.  
>>
>

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[RBW] WTT New Marks rack for old marks rack or Nitto R14

[Philip Kim]

Ahh sorry I didn't specify, I'm in DC :/

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Steve Palincsar]

$1.65 per foot plus $2.85 shipping for 1" wide tape at 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-1-HELICOPTER-TAPE-Clear-14MIL-Extra-Tough-Frame-Protection-8681-1-65-ft/182237433934?_trksid=p2047675.c15.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3Dd6fe721da3d94547b8f5fe6501b9d006%26pid%3D15%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D400921749096



On 04/08/2017 03:22 PM, John Hawrylak wrote:

Can anyone provide a rough estimate of the cost???

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 10:24:02 AM UTC-4, George Schick wrote:

This is good to know - I've been looking for something like this
for chain slap protection.  It's gosh awful expensive, though, so
it's good to know that you can buy it in strips, too.  Entering
the product name into a Google search and then pulling up all of
the images I see lots of photos of bikes and bike shops using
this, as well, so it's evidently one of those best-kept little
secrets.  In the event that it would ever need to be replaced,
though, how difficult is it to loosen the adhesive?

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 6:57:08 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

You can buy pieces on ebay, but make sure it's 3M.  I made the
mistake of buying some that was just clear vinyl with no
adhesive.

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[RBW] WTB: New or Used Compass Naches Pass (26″ x 1.8″) Tire

[Jack K]

Hey Riv folk,


I realize this is a long shot, but no harm in trying ...  If anyone has a 
Compass 26″ x 1.8″ Naches Pass tire, or tires, they'd like to sell, I'm in 
a buying mood! Can be new or used, 1 or more tires, but only interested in 
the black sidewall version. Even a Naches Pass that's mostly used up would 
be of interest, so I could test the fit and ride quality.


Thanks!


-Jack 

Raleigh, NC



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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Jack K]

Marc40a,

Thanks for the heads-up on the water application technique. Super helpful! 
I've had a roll of this in my bike toolbox for a decade+ and have used it 
to great success in small applications, like spots on sides of the 
head-tube where bar-end shifter housing rubs, but larger areas always ended 
up oriented wrong or with a wrinkle that wouldn't come out. Can't wait to 
give the water technique a try!

Cheers,

-Jack

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 9:58:58 PM UTC-4, Marc40a wrote:
>
> I just covered the triangle of my bikepacking bike's frame last week to 
> mitigate rub from baggage. I bought a large sheet from the online retailer 
> named after a South American river and used a paper cutter to cut it to 
> size. The key for application is to spray the frame with water, spray the 
> sticky side of the tape with water and slap it on. You can then slide it 
> around to position it. Squeegee out the bubbles as best you can  and let 
> the tape dry over night. I had already prepped my frame by washing it and 
> wiping it clean with a little thinner to make sure that I had a clean 
> surface to work with before the application. 

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[RBW] Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Max Bergen]

I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of your 
opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If so, 
I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks! 

- Swift Zeitgeist (either size) 
- Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
- Carradice Barley or Nelson

Cheers, 
Max
San Diego

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Deacon Patrick]

I'm partial to waxed canvas and love Sackville. But I switched to Frost 
Rivers bag because it plays better with bikepacking with my tent, sleeping 
bag and pad on the rear rack because it goes sideways. Love the large side 
pockets too. Only downside so far is I had to add the draw chord to 
tighten/loosen the draw flaps that weather proof the bag beneath the top 
flap. Ought to come with that. 
https://www.frostriver.com/shop/bike-bags/gunflint-trail-seat-bag/ I'm not 
sure but I think the design is Grant's Baggins design and there was bad 
blood there somehow, but whatever happened, the bag is great.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 3:12:12 PM UTC-6, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of your 
> opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If so, 
> I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks! 
>
> - Swift Zeitgeist (either size) 
> - Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
> - Carradice Barley or Nelson
>
> Cheers, 
> Max
> San Diego
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[RBW] WTT New Marks rack for old marks rack or Nitto R14

[Philip Kim]

Got this taken care of thnx all!

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[RBW] Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Philip Kim]

All great choices! Sackville medium is nice if that's your only bag, it's 
pretty big! It's pretty waterproof

Swift saddle bags are more audux type, a bit smaller. Not as waterproof

The carradice are the cheapest. The leather straps are much lower quality 
compared to Sackville, and wear out pretty quickly, but it's also significantly 
less. They are very water proof depending on the model.

I think the Sackville and swift are worth the extra money. Just a matter of 
sizing and material preference.

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Re: [RBW] Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Patrick Moore]

I don't know the Swifts, but I've owned 2 Sackvilles and oh so many
Carradices.

BTW, I think that Carradices today are of lower quality than they were 20
or 25 years ago; those I owned from the '90s had leather that, while not as
pretty as Riv's, certainly never wore out on my watch. I've seen 20+ year
old Nelson Longflaps, green with age and mould, surviving innumerable
wettings, and the leather was as sturdy as new. I filled a early 1990s
Nelson with water and it leaked nothing at all.

But the great defect of the Nelson-type design is that the bags hang
mouth-downward, which makes them hard to load to full capacity. This
doesn't mean that contents are not secure; any number of times I've arrived
home after 10 or 15 or 20 miles to find the flap hanging unbuckled after
all those miles; and the same for the side pockets -- keys and wallet still
in possession despite miles of unbuckled flap.

Still, the Sackville design, which keeps the bottom flat or flattish, and
with a high lip, is much easier to load and, probably, even more secure.

But, although I've owned literally dozens of different saddlebags, I always
go back to panniers, which I find easier to load, much more adaptable to
the quantity to be carried, much easier on and off; and cheaper per unit
volume, by a small margin (REI has 40 liters' worth of a pair of Roller
Packers for $240 with member credit versus the admittedly much nicer
looking (for a while!) 32.5 liter (stuffed volume) Large Saddlesack at
$250).).



On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> All great choices! Sackville medium is nice if that's your only bag, it's
> pretty big! It's pretty waterproof
>
> Swift saddle bags are more audux type, a bit smaller. Not as waterproof
>
> The carradice are the cheapest. The leather straps are much lower quality
> compared to Sackville, and wear out pretty quickly, but it's also
> significantly less. They are very water proof depending on the model.
>
> I think the Sackville and swift are worth the extra money. Just a matter
> of sizing and material preference.
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[RBW] Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[drew]

The carradice and swift designs are similar, but I think the sackville design 
is a highly improved one. The flat bottom and rear vs top opening system is 
much easier to use, and keeps items in place better, in my opinion. 

Another difference is size. Sackville medium will be a little larger than the 
largest carradice and quite a bit bigger than the swift, making it work much 
better on a rack or support. I have a couple carradices and a medium 
saddlesack. The quality difference is not negligible. The sackville bags are 
way nicer in qualityas with most rivendell stuff, almost too nice.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie]

Beat the rain today. Check out more photos at #coffeeoutsideba.




On Sunday, February 19, 2017 at 12:01:27 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
> *Chasing Mailboxes* has "Coffee Friday," @foundinthemountains (Vancouver) 
> has #coffeeoutsideyvc. Now there's *Coffee Outside Bay Area *(SF): first 
> meet-up is Sat. March 3, 7AM west side of Marina Park on the SF Bay Trail, 
> near Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay. Bring your coffee making set-up (or 
> thermos), share the sunrise 🌅, be with like-minded people 🚴🏼. Only 4.5 
> miles from the El Cerrito  Plaza BART-you can ride the SF Bay Trail most of 
> the way. More info @coyboygrrl (Instagram).
>
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Kellie]

I've had 2 Carradices and though I liked them I prefer the Saddlesacks. I 
have a small on my Saluki, no rack required and a large on my Atlantis.

the small below





On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 2:12:12 PM UTC-7, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of your 
> opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If so, 
> I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks! 
>
> - Swift Zeitgeist (either size) 
> - Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
> - Carradice Barley or Nelson
>
> Cheers, 
> Max
> San Diego
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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[John]

+1 (+2?) for both Swift & the Sackville saddlebags. I own a few of both and 
love 'em.

One plus for the Swift bags over Sackvilles are the daisy chains and 
D-rings for lashing gear & stuff to the outside of the bag.

The Sackville design optimizes use of the top of a back rack.

Another favorite are saddlebags made by Dill Pickle Gear: high quality bags 
like Swift, but with more options & color choices.

John
 
On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 2:12:12 PM UTC-7, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of your 
> opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If so, 
> I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks! 
>
> - Swift Zeitgeist (either size) 
> - Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
> - Carradice Barley or Nelson
>
> Cheers, 
> Max
> San Diego
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[RBW] Re: Will the Ocean Air Cycles Erlen Bag Support work w/ my Nitto seat post?

[scott minor]

I have an Erlen here I'd be happy to measure.  What's the length of the 
seat rail clamp on your seat post?  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[George Schick]

In addition to the info posted above, there's this directly from the 3M 
website: 
http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/638116O/3mtm-wind-protection-tape-application-instructions.pdf
Some aspects of it may be TMI, but others might fit perfectly with the 
application of the tape on a bike surface.  Hope this is useful.


On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 3:34:25 PM UTC-5, Jack K wrote:
>
> Marc40a,
>
> Thanks for the heads-up on the water application technique. Super helpful! 
> I've had a roll of this in my bike toolbox for a decade+ and have used it 
> to great success in small applications, like spots on sides of the 
> head-tube where bar-end shifter housing rubs, but larger areas always ended 
> up oriented wrong or with a wrinkle that wouldn't come out. Can't wait to 
> give the water technique a try!
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 9:58:58 PM UTC-4, Marc40a wrote:
>>
>> I just covered the triangle of my bikepacking bike's frame last week to 
>> mitigate rub from baggage. I bought a large sheet from the online retailer 
>> named after a South American river and used a paper cutter to cut it to 
>> size. The key for application is to spray the frame with water, spray the 
>> sticky side of the tape with water and slap it on. You can then slide it 
>> around to position it. Squeegee out the bubbles as best you can  and let 
>> the tape dry over night. I had already prepped my frame by washing it and 
>> wiping it clean with a little thinner to make sure that I had a clean 
>> surface to work with before the application. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Will the Ocean Air Cycles Erlen Bag Support work w/ my Nitto seat post?

[scott minor]

Distance from front of Erlen seat rail section to the cross brace is 41.5mm

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I never said someone with  x bicycles is more or less content than someone 
with x-y bicycles. I really doubt those of us who have more than, say, 2 or 
3 bicycles actually *need* all of them. I do think that at some point, 
rather than bringing pleasure or contentment, a big bicycle collection can 
become a burden--whether financially, physically, or spiritually. What that 
number is for any particular person, I would not pretend to have any idea.

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 8:35:38 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> When contentment is derived from having things or having less things, then 
> contentment is always regulated on external things being set. Which is 
> always have within it, discontentment since nothing external is set but 
> comes and goes.  It is not so much as having bicycle N+1 bicycle but I 
> think it is more of need and opportunity.  If people bought bicycles based 
> on what they  used them for, instead of being fixated on fads and new gear, 
> it is not that they will have greater contentment but it bicycles are used 
> as needs as part of their life.  If a person can do whatever they needed on 
> one bicycles vs someone needing 3 bicycles to do what they need for their 
> life, why is the person with 3 less content than the one who has one? They 
> are using the bicycle out of necessity.
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human 
>> motivations lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live 
>> anything close to strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not 
>> doing so voluntarily. Our economy and our culture is just not set up that 
>> way. When does want or appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? Is 
>> being a hoarder greedy, or is some other driver at work? Staving off 
>> thoughts of mortality, perhaps? What about collectors, or connoisseurs? 
>>
>> I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than any 
>> of these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one of the 
>> more amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy 
>> exploring it in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in 
>> that respect, as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest 
>> sliver of human history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy, 
>> store, and feed way more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly 
>> discuss said bicycles on the internets, is due mainly to the high per 
>> capita use of energy that we have been enjoying for the last century or so. 
>> But, as all things do eventually, that high energy consumption, and the 
>> many benefits that come with it, is winding down. That said, I think you 
>> are right that too much of anything, including bicycles, can ultimately 
>> impair contentment and gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some of 
>> my bicycle fixation --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more 
>> projects to go here...
>>
>> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that I 
>>> saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart 
>>> against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...
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[RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Nick Payne]

Go into most motorcycle shops and you can purchase sheets of it about 
12"x18". They use it for protection of paint on motorbike fuel tanks etc. I 
bought a couple of sheets of it many years ago and cut my own protective 
dots and strips from it.

On Friday, 7 April 2017 19:38:43 UTC+10, Les Lammers wrote:
>
> This was developed for the leading edge of copter blades to prevent 
> abrasion from desert sand. It's a TOUGH clear adhesive tape available in 
> different widths.You can find it on the auction site. I have it on the 'top 
> tube' of my Cheviot and also use it as a chainstay protector. Excellent 
> paint protection.
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Re: [RBW] Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Eric Daume]

I had a Carradice Camper, but I really hated having to struggle with the
buckles every time I wanted to get in the bag (the traditional Carradice
bags use a belt buckle type arrangement on all the pockets). I switched to
a Super C with plastic buckles, and it's much easier to live with.

The Super C doesn't feel especially roomy, though.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Max Bergen  wrote:

> I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of your
> opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If so,
> I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks!
>
> - Swift Zeitgeist (either size)
> - Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
> - Carradice Barley or Nelson
>
> Cheers,
> Max
> San Diego
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[RBW] Re: Will the Ocean Air Cycles Erlen Bag Support work w/ my Nitto seat post?

[John]

Hi Scott, thanks for the measurement. It looks like I need a minimum 46mm 
for the Erlen  to work.

I emailed Ocean Air Cycles and they said they are working on a revised 
version which will fit the Nitto S-83 seat post.

How do you like using the Erlen so far?

Thanks again,

John 

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 5:13:27 PM UTC-7, scott minor wrote:
>
> Distance from front of Erlen seat rail section to the cross brace is 41.5mm
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[RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[Michael Morrissey]

I was looking for almost the same thing and couldn't find it.  I bought an 
ordinary Tange 26" fork from Bruce Gordon instead.  

Perhaps a custom builder could do a run of these forks: 26", lugged, 2.4" 
tire clearance, absurd number of braze-ons, a nice paint color.  I'm not 
going to say a ton of people would want this, but there's probably enough 
for a small batch.  If so, I'm in.

m

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 11:35:19 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I'm looking to re-fork my XO-3 for easier 2" tire clearance and mid-fork 
> braze on's for rackage.  I've got a 59cm XO-3 and the head tube is about 
> 24cm so I'd need at least that, more would be fine or preferred on the 
> steerer tube.  26" wheel canti preferred as I want to run my Bruce Gordon 
> fancy canti brakes on this rig.  I'd take any color, pretty much any usable 
> condition.  Figure it's a long shot but maybe someone has one laying 
> around.  PM me if you want to sell, I've got some interesting bits for 
> trade to if that is more up your alley.
>
> Thanks,
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

['Norman Bone' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great idea. I'd buy two for sure.
-Norm '559 forever' Bone in PDX


  From: Michael Morrissey 
 To: RBW Owners Bunch  
 Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 6:35 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti
   
I was looking for almost the same thing and couldn't find it.  I bought an 
ordinary Tange 26" fork from Bruce Gordon instead.  

Perhaps a custom builder could do a run of these forks: 26", lugged, 2.4" tire 
clearance, absurd number of braze-ons, a nice paint color.  I'm not going to 
say a ton of people would want this, but there's probably enough for a small 
batch.  If so, I'm in.

m

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 11:35:19 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
I'm looking to re-fork my XO-3 for easier 2" tire clearance and mid-fork braze 
on's for rackage.  I've got a 59cm XO-3 and the head tube is about 24cm so I'd 
need at least that, more would be fine or preferred on the steerer tube.  26" 
wheel canti preferred as I want to run my Bruce Gordon fancy canti brakes on 
this rig.  I'd take any color, pretty much any usable condition.  Figure it's a 
long shot but maybe someone has one laying around.  PM me if you want to sell, 
I've got some interesting bits for trade to if that is more up your alley.
Thanks,
Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[Conway Bennett]

Maybe reach out to norther cycles?

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[RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Surlyprof]

That's a wonderful set up, Ray.  How wide of a tire were you able to put on?  I 
also love the pump behind the seatpost.  Such a generous amount of space.

Enjoy the ride!

John

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Atlantis 58cm Complete

[Brencho]

Hello!

I'm selling my sweet and trusty 58cm Rivendell Atlantis as a complete bike. 
It's been used but cared for during these past 4 years. meaning its in very 
good shape but has a couple scratches. Nothing to write home about, but 
individuals differ along these lines so I'll leave that up to you to 
decide. 

Asking $2900, local pickup in the Greater LA Area or meet me half way if 
you're located somewhere else in southern California. Otherwise happy to 
have a local bike shop pack it up but shipping isn't included in the price. 
Pis coming soon. 

Includes the following things (non-exhaustive list, will work on making it 
more exhaustive as/if questions arise): 
Nitto tallux 9cm stem
Nitto Albastache bars
Riv Bar-end silver shifters
Dia-compe perforated non-aero brake levers
Shimano XT front and rear derailers
Sugino XD2 triple crank (46x36x24)
Shimano CX70 canti brakes
Rich built wheels (Velocity 36h 700c rims with Shimano LX hubs)
Soma Cazadero tires (brand new)
extra pair of Schwalbe Dureme tires (everlasting)
Nitto S83 double-bolt seat post
Nitto Big Front rack
Wald Large basket
SKS fenders 

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