[RBW] Front loads on Rivendell bicycles -- how heavy?

[drew]

I put about 30lbs on a nitto big front rack on my hunq semi regularly. 
Sometimes also with a rear load. Sometimes not. Panniers don't quite sit at 
lowrider height on that rack. Feels very good/stable going straight and 
tracking on downhill curves. Does not feel very stable maneuvering on single or 
double track trails and when climbing. I attribute this to the lower speed. 
I've done a couple slow topples on trails that are no problem unloaded. This is 
almost always user error though. 
By and large, the front handling has impressed me, especially since so many 
people talk about high trail being no good for front loads. I think I like them 
on the front better than the back still. 

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Re: [RBW] Front loads on Rivendell bicycles -- how heavy?

[Steven Sweedler]

Patrick, I carry 25-35 lbs. on the front of my All Rounder, using a small
Nitto and  BG low rider racks with a large Ortlieb handlebar bag on the
Nitto and a pair of Ort. Sport packers on the lowriders. The bike handles
the load with no issues, tires are 700 x 41.  Steve
On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 11:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I realize that different models will handle different loads differently,
> but I'm curious about how much weight all y'all carry in lowrider panniers
> -- less interested in basket loads or front rando bag loads, though
> interested all the same.
>
> On my '03 26" wheel Road, which I find delightfully somewhat bit quicker
> to turn-in than the Ram, though almost -- not quite -- as rock solid stable
> in a straight line, about 20 lbs more or less equally balanced in front
> lowriding panniers seems to be a kind of limit; steering is heavy and you'd
> not want to do a slalom, but it's not bad. (This is with the 20 lb in
> front, nothing in back.) Better is about 15 total. 21-22 lb front load
> today.
>
> I recall, as an experiment, very quickly adjourned, putting, what, at
> least 40 lb in front lowriders on my 56 cm single tt Sam (I had Dave Porter
> add lowrider braze ons). I used 1 gallon and half gallon milk jugs full of
> water, at about 8 lb to the gallon. No rear load.
>
> Man! That was very odd! The bike was so stable it practically stood up by
> itself, but it was almost impossible to turn!
>
> What's all y'all's experience with lowriding front loads on your
> Rivendells?
>
> I once, perversely, put 56 lb of cinderblocks in a Wald Newsboy on the
> front of a Schwinn Traveler or somesuch, turned into a short distance
> grocery bike with North Road bar, fixed gear. That was different! The big
> problem was keeping the rear wheel on the ground. My N D Neighbor has had
> the bike for almost 10 years now, with rear panniers, as his short distance
> grocery bike.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Parts for Sale - Phil, Paul, Sugino, Riv, & Misc

[Sean Bham]

Prices lowered, make me an offerLet me know if you’ve any questions 
about any of the parts...Pics - 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8...Vo3RGtqUTlvdE0 


-2x Riv Atlantis head badges, NOS, look to be some sort of enamel & not 
paint - $45/ea

-Rear saddle bag support similar to Ocean Air’s ‘Erlen’, clamps to the seat 
stays / +/- 9” long, 5” wide, 2 1/2” drop, clamps 2 1/4” apart - $40

-125mm Phil Wood JIS square taper bottom bracket, buttery smooth - $75

-Phil Wood hubset, buttery smooth / 36h / 130mm/100mm / freewheel / QR - 
$220/set

Prices are net to me & include shipping within the lower 48.  I prefer 
PayPal & ship from 98225 within 36 hours of receiving cleared payment; 
forwarding on tracking info once the item has shipped.


Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: You meet the nicest people on a Rivendell, even if ....

[Kiley DeMond]

Well, my only comment to your story is about the store, not the bike (which 
really needs no comment as we are all here because we "get" Rivendell and 
the beauty of the bicycle, although I continue to delight in such 
anecdotes). Sprouts is a "healthy" (I use quote marks because all stores of 
this ilk sell plenty that is not healthy), that started in Arizona (HQ in 
Phoenix). Its full name is Sprouts Farmers Market and it chooses to open in 
markets not served by Whole Foods which only opens in affluent 
neighborhoods. I shopped WF for thirty years (starting in a tiny Palo Alto 
WF) and now live in a city (Prescott) where the WF closed after the lease 
ran out on the New Frontier Natural Marketplace location that WF purchased 
in 2014 (WF purchased three of their five locations; Flagstaff and Sedona, 
AZ are beautiful thriving stores. The family-owned chain kept the locations 
in Sovang and Santa Maria, the latter of which has subsequently been sold 
to WF). I have been shopping at Sprouts since they opened a locations in 
northern California, and with my move to Arizona, I have access to more of 
them than WFs (speaking of which, the WF in north Scottsdale, about 100 
miles from Prescott, is arguably the best WF I have been in; the ones in 
Ann Arbor, MI are shameful). WF has Sprouts beat in prepared foods hands 
down, but Sprouts has the best supplement and vitamin department I have 
even been in, and all also had very knowledgeable staff. 

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 6:22:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> ... [even if] you are pushing it through the Saturday afternoon crowd in 
> the narrow aisles of a discount Trader Joe's/Whole Foods clone (Sprout's; 
> formerly Sunflower, until the owner of the latter got nailed for 
> naughtiness of some sort). 
>
> I was pushing the '03 through the crowded aisles of Sprouts Corrales this 
> early afternoon; old ladies looks askance as if I'm dangerous; young 
> matrons sniff and shove past; you are buttonholed everlastingly by the odd 
> old codger.* But I had leaned the bike against the cheese island, for 
> forays to the west end of the bulk aisle and north to the sodium nitrate 
> (sausage and so forth) case, and west and south to the drinks section. 
> ("Drinks" -- wine, beer, spirits -- the fizzy rotgot is far to the east.)
>
> I came back to home base and a young 40-something with potbelly was 
> staring pensively at the Riv. He saw me and asked, "Is that a Raleigh"? I 
> said, "No" and explained about small northern CA builder, had several 
> customs, blah blah blah, and he replied, "I thinks bikes are just so 
> beautiful." At which point I launched into my screed about how sure, the 
> lugs are nice, and man, you should have seen the original $800 (?) paint 
> job before Dave and Chauncey altered the frame and I had it powdercoated; 
> and that the signature Riv feature is the fit, handling, ride.
>
> And that's not all! Down by the dairy case, a youngster, red headed lad 
> all of 11 or 12, piped up and said, "Neat bike!"
>
> Bah! to all you frightened old ladies and hard faced soccer moms!**
>
> * Tho' I've had some very interesting conversations when buttonholed by 
> old has-beens -- stock car racers, spies, fantasists ...
>
> **I generally lock it outside at busy times, but I had forgotten the lock. 
> I do conscientiously defer to the old beldames (despite a tendency 
> adequately described my my brother's retort to an old lady in line at the 
> checkout, way back when and far far away, when she was being rude: "Just 
> because you're old doesn't mean you have to be nasty".)
>
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Re: [RBW] The Gift of the Smile and Wave?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I tend to be a bit self conscious and used to really keep to myself. I remember 
I decided to experiment by intentionally looking people in the eye, smiling and 
nodding or saying hello or some other pleasantry. What I discovered is that MY 
experience was greatly enhanced by these interactions and most people responded 
in a very positive way. Previously, my reticence to make human contact was 
perceived by others as aloofness, when, in fact, it was quite the opposite. I 
was painfully shy. That was a long time ago, around the turn of the century 
(remember when the turn of the century meant 1901?!?!?!) and it changed me 
forever. I still have to think about sometimes, because my nature is to 
retreat, but the rewards of a kind smile, a wave and openness are their own 
rewards. Thanks Patrick, for the reminder!

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Re: [RBW] The Gift of the Smile and Wave?

[WETH]

“…life is like a mirror. Smile at it and it smiles back at you. I just put a 
big smile on my face and everyone smiles back.” Mildred Norman aka Peace Pilgrim

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[RBW] Re: You meet the nicest people on a Rivendell, even if ....

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

We have several Sprouts here in OKC, which we visit weekly, and one Whole 
Foods, that we've been to three times.  We love Sprouts and their produce 
is really good and they have good ads for what's in season.   I went into 
WF yesterday, for the first time in several years, and I was impressed with 
the selection of products and the smell of their prepared foods areas was 
divine.  I was after coffee and was pleasantly surprised to find they carry 
my favorite beans at a lower price than where I've been buying them and 
most importantly, they are on the shelf a few days after roasting!!   The 
shop where I've been buying beans only has beans roasted back in May, which 
I refuse to buy.  

I've also heard rumors that Albertsons is trying to buy Sprouts, much like 
Amazon bought WF.  I don't consider that a good thing since Albertsons was 
a failed grocery chain around here.  

Bicycle content is that WF is the only place between Sprouts, WF and Trader 
Joes where I routinely see bicycles locked up outside and it's certainly 
the most likely to place to see a Riv.  The two bikes that were there 
yesterday were old steel fixies, one with no brakes.  A true track bike.  


On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 9:30:12 AM UTC-5, Kiley DeMond wrote:
>
> Well, my only comment to your story is about the store, not the bike 
> (which really needs no comment as we are all here because we "get" 
> Rivendell and the beauty of the bicycle, although I continue to delight in 
> such anecdotes). Sprouts is a "healthy" (I use quote marks because all 
> stores of this ilk sell plenty that is not healthy), that started in 
> Arizona (HQ in Phoenix). Its full name is Sprouts Farmers Market and it 
> chooses to open in markets not served by Whole Foods which only opens in 
> affluent neighborhoods. I shopped WF for thirty years (starting in a tiny 
> Palo Alto WF) and now live in a city (Prescott) where the WF closed after 
> the lease ran out on the New Frontier Natural Marketplace location that WF 
> purchased in 2014 (WF purchased three of their five locations; Flagstaff 
> and Sedona, AZ are beautiful thriving stores. The family-owned chain kept 
> the locations in Sovang and Santa Maria, the latter of which has 
> subsequently been sold to WF). I have been shopping at Sprouts since they 
> opened a locations in northern California, and with my move to Arizona, I 
> have access to more of them than WFs (speaking of which, the WF in north 
> Scottsdale, about 100 miles from Prescott, is arguably the best WF I have 
> been in; the ones in Ann Arbor, MI are shameful). WF has Sprouts beat in 
> prepared foods hands down, but Sprouts has the best supplement and vitamin 
> department I have even been in, and all also had very knowledgeable staff. 
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 6:22:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> ... [even if] you are pushing it through the Saturday afternoon crowd in 
>> the narrow aisles of a discount Trader Joe's/Whole Foods clone (Sprout's; 
>> formerly Sunflower, until the owner of the latter got nailed for 
>> naughtiness of some sort). 
>>
>> I was pushing the '03 through the crowded aisles of Sprouts Corrales this 
>> early afternoon; old ladies looks askance as if I'm dangerous; young 
>> matrons sniff and shove past; you are buttonholed everlastingly by the odd 
>> old codger.* But I had leaned the bike against the cheese island, for 
>> forays to the west end of the bulk aisle and north to the sodium nitrate 
>> (sausage and so forth) case, and west and south to the drinks section. 
>> ("Drinks" -- wine, beer, spirits -- the fizzy rotgot is far to the east.)
>>
>> I came back to home base and a young 40-something with potbelly was 
>> staring pensively at the Riv. He saw me and asked, "Is that a Raleigh"? I 
>> said, "No" and explained about small northern CA builder, had several 
>> customs, blah blah blah, and he replied, "I thinks bikes are just so 
>> beautiful." At which point I launched into my screed about how sure, the 
>> lugs are nice, and man, you should have seen the original $800 (?) paint 
>> job before Dave and Chauncey altered the frame and I had it powdercoated; 
>> and that the signature Riv feature is the fit, handling, ride.
>>
>> And that's not all! Down by the dairy case, a youngster, red headed lad 
>> all of 11 or 12, piped up and said, "Neat bike!"
>>
>> Bah! to all you frightened old ladies and hard faced soccer moms!**
>>
>> * Tho' I've had some very interesting conversations when buttonholed by 
>> old has-beens -- stock car racers, spies, fantasists ...
>>
>> **I generally lock it outside at busy times, but I had forgotten the 
>> lock. I do conscientiously defer to the old beldames (despite a tendency 
>> adequately described my my brother's retort to an old lady in line at the 
>> checkout, way back when and far far away, when she was being rude: "Just 
>> because you're old doesn't mean you have to be nasty".)
>>
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[RBW] FS: Bilenky Light Touring/Rando Frame, 700c Dynamo Wheelsets&Tires, Acorn Boxy Bag, Paul Touring etc

[Eric Douglas]

 

 Thanks to all who have helped me downsize my collection.  I have one last 
frame use I’d like to try to move out before I leave on Tuesday  for my 
summer travels through Montana and Oregon. I’m also selling some of the 
parts and accessories I was going to use with the frame.

 

Eric Douglas in Brooklyn

 

It’s best to contact me offlist at ekdouglas (at) mindspring (dot) com

 

Photos at  https://www.flickr.com/gp/147685640@N03/1gi0d7

 

Prices include shipping within the lower 48.  Offers entertained.

 

 

*Bilenky Custom Frame. *Fillet brazed, with clearance for 700 x 48 tires 
with fenders.  Powdercoated  deep green matching front and rear racks. Rear 
rack is a Tubus Cargo, front is a Bilenky custom. Curved chainstays for 
heel clearance.  Braze-ons for racks, fenders, four water bottles, etc. 1” 
threaded headset. About 300 miles on frame.   Current price for new frame, 
headset and racks would be about $3500.   Note: These is some paint damage 
(none  down to the metal)  with a very very shallow dent on the top tube 
from clumsiness in my shop.  You can’t actually see the dent and have to 
feel for it. But still, there it is. Asking $1000

Top tube: 56cm  c-c

Virtual Top Tube  57cm

Seat tube: 52cm c-t

Chainstays: 44.5

BB Drop 8cm

Seat tube angle: 72

Head tube angle 72.5

Seatpost: 26.8

135 rear spacing

Standover with 700 x 38 tires 80cm

 

For fit reference, I’m 5’11” with a 84cm pbh.  When I rode traditional 
frames (like my beloved 1984 Trek 520) they were usually  56-57cm square.

 

I also have enough parts to make a complete bike.

 

 

I was going to use these wheels with the above frame, so no longer need 
them.

 

First set: 700c Velocity Dyad Rims laced to a recently rebuilt by PJW older 
model  SON  dynamo hub and a 135mm Shimano  dark grey SLX rear hub. 36 
double butted spokes each wheel. Less than 1000 miles on the wheelset.  
Perfectly 
true with sidewalls in perfect condition (no wear) Asking 350.

 

Second  set:  700c Mavic 719 Rims laced to a  older model  SON  dynamo hub 
and a 135mm Shimano  dark grey SLX rear hub.. 36 double butted spokes each 
wheel. Less than 1000 miles on the wheelset.  Perfectly true with sidewalls 
in perfect condition (no wear) Asking 350.

 

Pauls Touring Canti brakes. New in package.  140 for a bikesworth.

 

B&M IQ X dynamo light. Silver.  New in package.  90

 

Latest version Schwalbe Marathon with about 200 miles (no wear) 700x40. 70 
pair

Soma Supple Vitesse 700x4. New.   110 for three.
Compass 700C x 44 Snoqualmie Pass EL Tires.  Black sidewall. New. 140 Vittoria 
Vittoria Voyager Hyper 700 x 38 RFX Folding Bead. One new, one used with 
plenty of life left . Another used with a bit less life left. 50 for the 
three.   Acorn Boxy Bag in Ranger Tan  190 

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[RBW] Delight of rain

[Deacon Patrick]

Yesterday was hot for around here. 84˚F at 9,000 feet. Riding home the 
thunderclouds that had been building since noon broke loose. Unlike most 
storms, this one didn’t drop the temperature into the 40’s or 50’s. It stayed 
in the upper 70’s. I left my rain jacket in my bag and delighted in the wet 
soaking my cotton shirt, cooling me off. Combined with the delicious scents of 
rain, ozone, flashing lightening and rumbling thunder coming down and mixing 
with earth, sage, flowers, pine, and aspen, it was a veritable feast.

This morning, the sun was out, the ground moist and pocked , fresh and giving 
off the smell of summer loam of long decay, pine, and growth in the warmth. 
Pockets of air still cool from the moist night air tantalized as at rode 
through them, lingering by slowing my pedaling.

After weeks of hot and dusty grit, these two rides were spectacularly 
refreshing.

With abandon,
Patrick

www.CredoFamily.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org


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[RBW] FS: NIB Karpos knickers Small

[Patrick Shea]

Hello Knickerseekers,

I bought these online, wanted XL, got these. I guess I'll order again,
these look tough. How about my cost of $65 shipped?

https://flic.kr/p/VZ6YiL

Cheers,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Delight of rain

[George Schick]

Long as you're not out in it during one of those thunderstorms, that is. 
Lightning, especially at those altitudes, can be very lethal and it can 
strike a long way from where the storm appears to be.


On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:45:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Yesterday was hot for around here. 84˚F at 9,000 feet. Riding home the 
> thunderclouds that had been building since noon broke loose. Unlike most 
> storms, this one didn’t drop the temperature into the 40’s or 50’s. It 
> stayed in the upper 70’s. I left my rain jacket in my bag and delighted in 
> the wet soaking my cotton shirt, cooling me off. Combined with the 
> delicious scents of rain, ozone, flashing lightening and rumbling thunder 
> coming down and mixing with earth, sage, flowers, pine, and aspen, it was a 
> veritable feast.
>
> This morning, the sun was out, the ground moist and pocked , fresh and 
> giving off the smell of summer loam of long decay, pine, and growth in the 
> warmth. Pockets of air still cool from the moist night air tantalized as at 
> rode through them, lingering by slowing my pedaling.
>
> After weeks of hot and dusty grit, these two rides were spectacularly 
> refreshing.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] RE: Karpos knickers FS

[Patrick Shea]

I knew I'd forget something.  Measurements:

waistband unstretched  12" stretches to ~17"

inseam 19.5"

full length ~28.5"


Thanks and any questions, I'm standing and sitting by,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: The Gift of the Smile and Wave?

[Daniel D.]

So much racer angst in this group,lol.  Said plenty of hellos and smiled on 
yesterday's ride hot day everyone was out.  Some in lycra on racerish bikes 
were super friendly some not so friendly.  Some in everyday clothes and on 
not so racerish bikes were friendly some not so friendly.  But the lycra 
clad ones were the ones that were super friendly. :shrug:

>
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Re: [RBW] The Gift of the Smile and Wave?

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This is a great thread, thank you Deacon, Patrick, Tim, WETH. I have been 
surprised how often folks will smile back at me on the road. And yes it 
fundamentally changes how I feel perceive the ride and my world. 

Joe in GJT who doesn't smile nearly enough.

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 10:21:44 AM UTC-6, WETH wrote:

> “…life is like a mirror. Smile at it and it smiles back at you. I just put 
> a big smile on my face and everyone smiles back.” Mildred Norman aka Peace 
> Pilgrim

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[RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Deacon Patrick]

No bell could have been understood as a bike bell by one group I 
encountered on today's ride. They each wore bear dinner bells. One of them 
said, "Oh, that was a bike bell. I heard a cow bell but couldn't make sense 
of it."

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Delight of rain

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha, George! If I followed that advice I'd not go on rides from April 
through September. Grin. Fortunately, lightening is predictable in what it 
like to hit. Stay low 'cause it likes to aim high. Don't straddle anything 
steel, er, because it is attracted to conductiv ... ZAP! CRACK! CRISP! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>
> Long as you're not out in it during one of those thunderstorms, that is. 
> Lightning, especially at those altitudes, can be very lethal and it can 
> strike a long way from where the storm appears to be.
>
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:45:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday was hot for around here. 84˚F at 9,000 feet. Riding home the 
>> thunderclouds that had been building since noon broke loose. Unlike most 
>> storms, this one didn’t drop the temperature into the 40’s or 50’s. It 
>> stayed in the upper 70’s. I left my rain jacket in my bag and delighted in 
>> the wet soaking my cotton shirt, cooling me off. Combined with the 
>> delicious scents of rain, ozone, flashing lightening and rumbling thunder 
>> coming down and mixing with earth, sage, flowers, pine, and aspen, it was a 
>> veritable feast.
>>
>> This morning, the sun was out, the ground moist and pocked , fresh and 
>> giving off the smell of summer loam of long decay, pine, and growth in the 
>> warmth. Pockets of air still cool from the moist night air tantalized as at 
>> rode through them, lingering by slowing my pedaling.
>>
>> After weeks of hot and dusty grit, these two rides were spectacularly 
>> refreshing.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] 54 CM Rivendell Saluki Complete for Sale

[Ted Shwartz]

The Saluki is spoken for

Ted

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[RBW] FS 2 new Seal Line baja dry bags 5L orange

[Bruce Smitham]

For sale 2 new Seal Line baja dry bags 5L orange $20 for both shipped CONUS

Thx,

Bruce in San Diego

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[RBW] Re: You meet the nicest people on a Rivendell, even if ....

[ascpgh]

While not on my Rivendell, at my grandparents' in Sun City, AZ, in it's 
early days, my grandad had an English Raleigh to ride in retirement until 
he realized the climate was better for making jerky or sitting in the AC 
until sunset. Standard issue gentleman's commuter; SA 3x rear hub, Brooks 
saddle, key lock fork, caliper brakes, partial chances and bottle generator 
for headlight and fender tail light. I could get on it and I could ride it. 
At first I thought the yet sold, unpaved or engineered margins of the 
development were fun, then I ranged into the wild flat desert beyond.

I used that for trips into the desert. The area was sold to retirees as 
safe, new, modern, convenient and wonderful for hosting family visits with 
all the rec centers, golf courses, etc. I used that as my cover and mostly 
headed north along the Aguia Fria River valley up what was the soon 
petered-out 99th Avenue and up to what became Lake Pleasant. The 
construction phase was interesting because I could take my skateboard and 
ride inside the giant concrete pipes on site for the engineering phase to 
come for the project. 

Some of my earliest bike adventures  were out in the desert on that bike, 
stopped mostly by rising terrain terrain at the north boundary of the 
valley. I learned to love sunscreen, generator lights, bigger tires, lots 
of extra water and spare tubes out there. Now all paved and curbed, Lake 
Pleasant populated by boaters and even the western hills beyond Luke AFB is 
just a paved drive to a park in the creeping sprawl. 

I tried to recreate one of my adventures on my last health and welfare trip 
to see my grandmother and took my RB-1. 99th Ave was now just another road 
instead of an absolute north-south route on a survey line, so I followed 
whatever dirt road aimed North, promising to turn around at the second 
flat, having four tubes and a patch kit.

While changing my second flat, I heard a motorcycle coming my way, but not 
the common high RPM two-stroke MX bike. I was a bit concerned for being so 
vulnerable out there. As it neared in I saw that it was red, had a sidecar 
and its exhaust said it was an opposed twin. It turned out to be an Aral 
driven by a very old guy who shut it off and said "nice bike" and was very 
interested in bikes.

He turned out to have been a lesser board track racer who transitioned into 
a commuter rail engineer in the Boston area. He spoke of recognizing other 
six-day riders by their off-bike gait including one on the station platform 
the called to from the locomotive. He turned to motorcycles in later life 
and lesser fitness, frequenting the Tourist Trophy race on the Isle of Man 
as an annual vacation, and befriending another American who he ran across 
frequently and joined after the TT to the continent to ride across several 
countries. It was Steve Forbes. 

He offered me his bicycle parts stash, current to the late 50s, if I 
wanted, complimenting the thinly veiled Campagnolo "Sachs" group I picked 
up at InterBike that year and the lacing of my wheels, assessing me to be 
worthy. I thanked him for the offer and said I really needed to get back 
before dinner and we parted with a wave.

I didn't think so at the time, but that was a really memorable chance 
meeting and exchange in the middle of the desert. He would have loved my 
Rivendell had he seen it.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:22:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> ... [even if] you are pushing it through the Saturday afternoon crowd in 
> the narrow aisles of a discount Trader Joe's/Whole Foods clone (Sprout's; 
> formerly Sunflower, until the owner of the latter got nailed for 
> naughtiness of some sort). 
>
> I was pushing the '03 through the crowded aisles of Sprouts Corrales this 
> early afternoon; old ladies looks askance as if I'm dangerous; young 
> matrons sniff and shove past; you are buttonholed everlastingly by the odd 
> old codger.* But I had leaned the bike against the cheese island, for 
> forays to the west end of the bulk aisle and north to the sodium nitrate 
> (sausage and so forth) case, and west and south to the drinks section. 
> ("Drinks" -- wine, beer, spirits -- the fizzy rotgot is far to the east.)
>
> I came back to home base and a young 40-something with potbelly was 
> staring pensively at the Riv. He saw me and asked, "Is that a Raleigh"? I 
> said, "No" and explained about small northern CA builder, had several 
> customs, blah blah blah, and he replied, "I thinks bikes are just so 
> beautiful." At which point I launched into my screed about how sure, the 
> lugs are nice, and man, you should have seen the original $800 (?) paint 
> job before Dave and Chauncey altered the frame and I had it powdercoated; 
> and that the signature Riv feature is the fit, handling, ride.
>
> And that's not all! Down by the dairy case, a youngster, red headed lad 
> all of 11 or 12, piped up and said, "Neat bike!"
>
> Bah! to all you frightened old lad

Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Steve Palincsar]

What is a "bear dinner bell"?   And why would anyone wear one? This is 
all I could find, and I can't see how (or why) anyone could possibly 
wear this.


Montague Metal Products Inc. Cast Bear Bell


On 07/09/2017 04:10 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
No bell could have been understood as a bike bell by one group I 
encountered on today's ride. They each wore bear dinner bells. One of 
them said, "Oh, that was a bike bell. I heard a cow bell but couldn't 
make sense of it."


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[RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Deacon Patrick]

Tourist hikers wear bells to warn bears of their impending presence. The 
joke is bears come to know these as dinner bells.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 7:08:24 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Crane bells are super cool and very classy.  It's great they are made in 
> Japan, and I love them.  
>
> BUT
>
> Spur Cycle bells are by far the nicest bike bell I've ever seen.  I bought 
> one from Ocean Air Cycles, because Rob Perks is the man, and I was blown 
> away at how nice this bell in.  It's loud and pure and never makes a peep 
> unless you want it to.  I just picked up a second one from a tiny Berkeley 
> Bike Boutique, just because they had it on the shelf, and I like buying 
> local.  Spur Cycle bells are MUSA and they kick butt.  $50 for a bell may 
> seem perverse to frugal riders, but when you can get the very best anything 
> for $50, that's something.  
>
> https://www.spurcycle.com/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] FS: lots of BQ mags

[Belopsky]

A lot. Like 50 of them at least? $50 shipped.

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[RBW] Re: Delight of rain

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick,

I hope you will reconsider your behavior during thunderstorms. The facts 
don't support your lackadaisical view of lightning.
 http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/
Lightning is the number one weather related killer in Colorado. Even when 
folks are not killed by a lightning strike, it can alter and diminish the 
remainder of their life.
http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lls/fatalities_us.html 
Living at 9000ft, your risk of lightning strike is enhanced over the 
Colorado state average.

Lightning is NOT at all predictable where it will strike. As a NWS 
forecaster giving presentations on the subject, I used to say "lightning is 
very powerful but very lazy." It will always find the easiest path to 
discharge. Yes the probabilities are greatest for higher elevations during 
the afternoon hours, but that doesn't mean probabilities are zero for lower 
elevations during the morning or evening.

Be safe out there!
Joe in GJT

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Ha, George! If I followed that advice I'd not go on rides from April 
> through September. Grin. Fortunately, lightening is predictable in what it 
> like to hit. Stay low 'cause it likes to aim high. Don't straddle anything 
> steel, er, because it is attracted to conductiv ... ZAP! CRACK! CRISP! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Long as you're not out in it during one of those thunderstorms, that is. 
>> Lightning, especially at those altitudes, can be very lethal and it can 
>> strike a long way from where the storm appears to be.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:45:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Yesterday was hot for around here. 84˚F at 9,000 feet. Riding home the 
>>> thunderclouds that had been building since noon broke loose. Unlike most 
>>> storms, this one didn’t drop the temperature into the 40’s or 50’s. It 
>>> stayed in the upper 70’s. I left my rain jacket in my bag and delighted in 
>>> the wet soaking my cotton shirt, cooling me off. Combined with the 
>>> delicious scents of rain, ozone, flashing lightening and rumbling thunder 
>>> coming down and mixing with earth, sage, flowers, pine, and aspen, it was a 
>>> veritable feast.
>>>
>>> This morning, the sun was out, the ground moist and pocked , fresh and 
>>> giving off the smell of summer loam of long decay, pine, and growth in the 
>>> warmth. Pockets of air still cool from the moist night air tantalized as at 
>>> rode through them, lingering by slowing my pedaling.
>>>
>>> After weeks of hot and dusty grit, these two rides were spectacularly 
>>> refreshing.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.CredoFamily.org
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Delight of rain

[Eric Floden]

My father ( avid cyclist in New West circa 1930s  ) told me when he was a
teenager he was struck by lightning.  His parents were so upset, they (
ahem ) GROUNDED HIM.

Sorry sorry

Eric
In Ottawa and loving the bike network

On Jul 9, 2017 2:45 PM, "Deacon Patrick"  wrote:

> Yesterday was hot for around here. 84˚F at 9,000 feet. Riding home the
> thunderclouds that had been building since noon broke loose. Unlike most
> storms, this one didn’t drop the temperature into the 40’s or 50’s. It
> stayed in the upper 70’s. I left my rain jacket in my bag and delighted in
> the wet soaking my cotton shirt, cooling me off. Combined with the
> delicious scents of rain, ozone, flashing lightening and rumbling thunder
> coming down and mixing with earth, sage, flowers, pine, and aspen, it was a
> veritable feast.
>
> This morning, the sun was out, the ground moist and pocked , fresh and
> giving off the smell of summer loam of long decay, pine, and growth in the
> warmth. Pockets of air still cool from the moist night air tantalized as at
> rode through them, lingering by slowing my pedaling.
>
> After weeks of hot and dusty grit, these two rides were spectacularly
> refreshing.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Delight of rain

[Deacon Patrick]

Sorry to cause concern and give the impression of being lackadaisical about 
lightening. Far from it. I don't avoid thunderstorms, as that isn't 
possible if one is outdoors. I am, however, as safe as I know to be in 
them. I simply wanted to share the joy of the rides in the rain. My 
apologies.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 3:41:36 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>
> I hope you will reconsider your behavior during thunderstorms. The facts 
> don't support your lackadaisical view of lightning.
>  http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/
> Lightning is the number one weather related killer in Colorado. Even when 
> folks are not killed by a lightning strike, it can alter and diminish the 
> remainder of their life.
> http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lls/fatalities_us.html 
> Living at 9000ft, your risk of lightning strike is enhanced over the 
> Colorado state average.
>
> Lightning is NOT at all predictable where it will strike. As a NWS 
> forecaster giving presentations on the subject, I used to say "lightning is 
> very powerful but very lazy." It will always find the easiest path to 
> discharge. Yes the probabilities are greatest for higher elevations during 
> the afternoon hours, but that doesn't mean probabilities are zero for lower 
> elevations during the morning or evening.
>
> Be safe out there!
> Joe in GJT
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> Ha, George! If I followed that advice I'd not go on rides from April 
>> through September. Grin. Fortunately, lightening is predictable in what it 
>> like to hit. Stay low 'cause it likes to aim high. Don't straddle anything 
>> steel, er, because it is attracted to conductiv ... ZAP! CRACK! CRISP! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>> Long as you're not out in it during one of those thunderstorms, that is. 
>>> Lightning, especially at those altitudes, can be very lethal and it can 
>>> strike a long way from where the storm appears to be.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:45:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Yesterday was hot for around here. 84˚F at 9,000 feet. Riding home the 
 thunderclouds that had been building since noon broke loose. Unlike most 
 storms, this one didn’t drop the temperature into the 40’s or 50’s. It 
 stayed in the upper 70’s. I left my rain jacket in my bag and delighted in 
 the wet soaking my cotton shirt, cooling me off. Combined with the 
 delicious scents of rain, ozone, flashing lightening and rumbling thunder 
 coming down and mixing with earth, sage, flowers, pine, and aspen, it was 
 a 
 veritable feast.

 This morning, the sun was out, the ground moist and pocked , fresh and 
 giving off the smell of summer loam of long decay, pine, and growth in the 
 warmth. Pockets of air still cool from the moist night air tantalized as 
 at 
 rode through them, lingering by slowing my pedaling.

 After weeks of hot and dusty grit, these two rides were spectacularly 
 refreshing.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 www.CredoFamily.org
 www.MindYourHeadCoop.org




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[RBW] Re: FS: lots of BQ mags

[Belopsky]

These are claimed pending funds

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[RBW] Atlas-like but tubeless

[drew]

Any recommendations for a atlas-like rim that is tubeless ready? I was about to 
pull the trigger on an atlas dyno wheelset, but now I'm wondering about wanting 
the option to go tubeless in the future, if I'm dropping a significant chunk of 
money. 
So I'd be looking for a double wall, 19mm minimum internal, rim braking, 36 
hole, tour and trail capable rim. 
Anything good out there? Rims are not something I frequently check out, so I'm 
pretty ignorant here. 

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[RBW] Re: Delight of rain

[Ian A]

I wonder how much insulation the bike tires would provide, assuming one was hit 
while riding? Growing up in England, I heard a number of accounts of people 
surviving a lightning strike because of wearing wellington (rubber) boots. 

Wouldn't want to test theory, myself. 

ianA/Canada

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[RBW] Atlas-like but tubeless

[drew]

Oh also 650b

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[RBW] Re: FS 2 new Seal Line baja dry bags 5L orange

[Bruce Smitham]

The bags are sold

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 2:14:46 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> For sale 2 new Seal Line baja dry bags 5L orange $20 for both shipped CONUS
>
> Thx,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
>

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[RBW] FS Salsa Woodchipper 2 handlebars 46cm

[Bruce Smitham]

Salsa Woodchipper 2 handlebars (the more expensive version) 46cm in great 
condition with some small wear $50 plus shipping CONUS

Bruce in San Diego

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[RBW] Re: FS Ritchey Venturemax handlebars

[Bruce Smitham]

Bump

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 7:05:35 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> For sale: Ritchey Comp Venturemax handlebars 44cm with 31.8mm clamp. 
> Mounted but never used (decided to go with Jones Loop bars instead) $35 
> plus shipping.
>
> Bruce in San Diego
>

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[RBW] Atlas-like but tubeless

[Bill Lindsay]

Why 36 hole?  

Pacenti brevet and HED Belgium Plus would be my top two, but I do t think you 
can get the HED rims in 36 hole. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: Atlas-like but tubeless

[Kai Vierstra]

http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584
I've got a couple weeks on the 700c version and I think they're fantastic, 
and certainly a rarity being tubeless compatible and rim brake ready. 
-Kai
BK NY


On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 9:56:23 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> Any recommendations for a atlas-like rim that is tubeless ready? I was 
> about to pull the trigger on an atlas dyno wheelset, but now I'm wondering 
> about wanting the option to go tubeless in the future, if I'm dropping a 
> significant chunk of money. 
> So I'd be looking for a double wall, 19mm minimum internal, rim braking, 
> 36 hole, tour and trail capable rim. 
> Anything good out there? Rims are not something I frequently check out, so 
> I'm pretty ignorant here. 

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[RBW] PSA: $34 Roadeo

[Surlyprof]

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/6210292394.html
Not really (although that is what the ad says).  I was going to post this a 
week or so ago because it was $1300 which I thought was a great deal. 
Unfortunately not my size.  Now they seem to be selling it for $600 today, $750 
tomorrow and the back to $1300.

Good luck to you taller bay area folks.

John

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[RBW] Re: Atlas-like but tubeless

[drew]

36 just cause I tend to overload and overabuse. Probably woundnt damage a 32 
hole, but 36 would give me better piece of mind, i think. 

Good info on the cliffhangers. I was looking at them too.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight of rain

[Eric Norris]

Ask Google, and it answers:

Myth: Rubber tires on a car protect you from lightning by insulating you from 
the ground.
Fact: Most cars are safe from lightning, but it is the metal roof and metal 
sides that protect you, NOT the rubber tires. Remember, convertibles, 
motorcycles, bicycles, open-shelled outdoor recreational vehicles and cars with 
fiberglass shells offer no protection from lightning. When lightning strikes a 
vehicle, it goes through the metal frame into the ground. Don't lean on doors 
during a thunderstorm.


Relevant part: Remember, convertibles, motorcycles, bicycles, open-shelled 
outdoor recreational vehicles and cars with fiberglass shells offer no 
protection from lightning. 

Source is NOAA, which is pretty dependable: 
http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/myths.shtml 
 

So, according to the US weather experts, your bike’s tires won’t protect you in 
a lighting storm.

--Eric Norris
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> On Jul 9, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Ian A  wrote:
> 
> I wonder how much insulation the bike tires would provide, assuming one was 
> hit while riding? Growing up in England, I heard a number of accounts of 
> people surviving a lightning strike because of wearing wellington (rubber) 
> boots. 
> 
> Wouldn't want to test theory, myself. 
> 
> ianA/Canada
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight of rain

[Kai Vierstra]

The Boston museum of science has a great lightning hall with the world's 
largest Vandergraft generator and good solid science talk. They said rubber 
soled shoes would insulate a person in a storm, but the soles would need to be 
a mile thick...
-Kai
BK NY 

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[RBW] PSA: $34 Roadeo

[Doug Bloch]

Amazing deal. Local to me but way too tall.

Doug
Alameda

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[RBW] Re: You meet the nicest people on a Rivendell, even if ....

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I live along the Mississippi River near LaCrosse, Wisconsin.  This past 
weekend I happened to be riding my orange Sammy when I stopped at the 
trailhead to the Sparta Elroy Bike trail near La Crosse.  I came to a 
sudden stop in front of about 9 guys resting in the shade, one of whom said 
immediately (referring to me) "well he'll fit right in".  Then I started 
looking at their bikes: all wide tired, loaded down for touring, fenders, 
steel, lugs, etc.  There was a nice Sam Hillborne and Atlantis in the lot 
of them.  We had the best conversation talking bikes.  What fun.  I felt a 
real kinship.  I learned the boys were riding from Dubuque, Iowa to (I 
don't know where they were eventually headed) along the Mississippi River 
Trail.  I wish i'd gotten a name or 2.  I encouraged them to post their 
ride on this blog.  Hope they do.  I would say we all have a debt of 
gratitude to Grant Petersen.  
Tim Petersen (no relation)

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 8:22:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> ... [even if] you are pushing it through the Saturday afternoon crowd in 
> the narrow aisles of a discount Trader Joe's/Whole Foods clone (Sprout's; 
> formerly Sunflower, until the owner of the latter got nailed for 
> naughtiness of some sort). 
>
> I was pushing the '03 through the crowded aisles of Sprouts Corrales this 
> early afternoon; old ladies looks askance as if I'm dangerous; young 
> matrons sniff and shove past; you are buttonholed everlastingly by the odd 
> old codger.* But I had leaned the bike against the cheese island, for 
> forays to the west end of the bulk aisle and north to the sodium nitrate 
> (sausage and so forth) case, and west and south to the drinks section. 
> ("Drinks" -- wine, beer, spirits -- the fizzy rotgot is far to the east.)
>
> I came back to home base and a young 40-something with potbelly was 
> staring pensively at the Riv. He saw me and asked, "Is that a Raleigh"? I 
> said, "No" and explained about small northern CA builder, had several 
> customs, blah blah blah, and he replied, "I thinks bikes are just so 
> beautiful." At which point I launched into my screed about how sure, the 
> lugs are nice, and man, you should have seen the original $800 (?) paint 
> job before Dave and Chauncey altered the frame and I had it powdercoated; 
> and that the signature Riv feature is the fit, handling, ride.
>
> And that's not all! Down by the dairy case, a youngster, red headed lad 
> all of 11 or 12, piped up and said, "Neat bike!"
>
> Bah! to all you frightened old ladies and hard faced soccer moms!**
>
> * Tho' I've had some very interesting conversations when buttonholed by 
> old has-beens -- stock car racers, spies, fantasists ...
>
> **I generally lock it outside at busy times, but I had forgotten the lock. 
> I do conscientiously defer to the old beldames (despite a tendency 
> adequately described my my brother's retort to an old lady in line at the 
> checkout, way back when and far far away, when she was being rude: "Just 
> because you're old doesn't mean you have to be nasty".)
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[RBW] Re: FS: Parts for Sale - Phil, Paul, Sugino, Riv, & Misc

[Sean Bham]

Rear support rack has SOLD

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