Re: [RBW] FS SimpleOne size 60cm

[nawrock]

Sale pending! 
Dave 

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Subject: Fwd: [RBW] FS SimpleOne size 60cm 

Bump and price drop! 
Still available and new price of $1,200 plus shipping via bikeflights. 
Thanks for looking, 
Dave 

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Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 11:51:42 AM 
Subject: [RBW] FS SimpleOne size 60cm 

Greetings, 
Putting my SO up for sale. This is one of a handful that came in with 
horizontal rear drop outs, not the angled ones, and is a great Maroon color. I 
bought this directly from Riv in Sept 2010. It is in really good condition a 
solid 8 out of 10. Has a couple very small nicks here and there, nothing that 
jumps out at you. 

DOS freewheel 17x19 
Shimano Tiagra brake levers 
Tektro CR720 canitlever brakes 
Crank XD2 double 38/40 172.5 
Bottom bracket 107 Tange Super 
Nitto 10cm Stem 
Nitto Albatross CroMo the wide ones 
Cork tape that has amber shellac and hemp twine 
Misha cork grips 
Rich built MA3 rims 
Front hub is Suntour XC2000 
Rear hub is Phil 
Tires are Pasela 700x37 almost new 
The Brooks sadle could be included 
The Nitto touring cages are not included 
The Fenders could be part of the deal, I dont really need them. 
The seat stem is kind of the plain jane one that Riv sells. 

Asking 1,500 plus shipping. 
Paypal or Postal Money order works for me. 

Thanks for looking! 


Dave 
Fort Collins, CO 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

[Christopher Cote]

Yes, back when I rode with clipless pedals that had limited float (SPD on 
the MTB, Look on the road), I had to set the cleats up carefully taking 
into account the width of the cranks. I later switched to Speedplay frogs 
with 30 degrees of float. I just needed to ensure that I could rotate my 
heels in on the most flared cranks I had, and they worked on narrower 
cranks just fine. Now I'm free of those encumbrances, and life is much 
simpler. As a side note, I found that I could not ride clipless pedals and 
cranks with straight arms like the old TA Cyclotouriste. I need a bit more 
heel clearance.

Chris


On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 4:51:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> A tangential but related question to that about saddle height: Do you 
> others who use cycling specific shoes favor different shoes for different 
> pedals and cranks? I find that even a slight difference in sole thickness 
> can make a saddle feel awkward; add to this the "flare" of the crank arms 
> and Q, and the attempt to avoid the inside of the shoe rubbing the arms, 
> and it's much easier to set up 1 shoe for each pedal/crank combo. 
>
> For example, the gofast with DA 7410 SPDs and converted Sidi road shoes 
> has a slightly lower saddle than the '03 with M 540s and ancient Shimano 
> spd shoes (both have the same crank). 
>
> Is this peculiar? Are others as sensitive to this sort of thing as I?
>
> Patrick "Dear Abby: Does it make me look fat?" Moore
>
>
>

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Jay Connolly]

No question that the fork is more burly on the 2017s. I had that straight front 
Grant.

If the trails and light and relatively smooth, the Appaloosa would bike fine. I 
like the widest possible tires for rough trails. On a recently camping trip, I 
took the Appaloosa and suffered a little over about 10km of rocky trails. I 
should have dropped the pressure in the tires, which would have improved 
things, but a genuine MTB would have been a better choice for the day. If that 
sort of riding (rough, rocky trails) will be rare for you, the Joe will be just 
fine. If it's more regular, then I'd go with the Hunq.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Jay Connolly]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 7:25:26 AM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
> No question that the fork is more burly on the 2017s. I had that straight 
> front Grant.
> 
> If the trails are light and relatively smooth, the Appaloosa would be fine. I 
> like the widest possible tires for rough trails. On a recent camping trip, I 
> took the Appaloosa and suffered a little over about 10km of rocky trails. I 
> should have dropped the pressure in the tires, which would have improved 
> things, but a genuine MTB would have been a better choice for the day. If 
> that sort of riding (rough, rocky trails) will be rare for you, the Joe will 
> be just fine. If it's more regular, then I'd go with the Hunq.
> 
> Jay

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Sam Hillborne - Green, Double TT

[Jon A]

Dave, I just checked the geometry chart and a 60cm Bombadil has 1cm less
stand over than a 60cm Sam Hillborne. So if the Bombadil fits you then the
Sam Hillborne will definitely fit too. I commented earlier without knowing
that you had another 60cm Rivendell bike. Let me know if you are still
interested. Thanks,

Jon

On Aug 1, 2017 11:05 PM, "DaveS"  wrote:

> Thanks Jon. Was hoping it would work out regarding fit. Good luck w the
> sale
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[RBW] Re: Roast your own coffee?

[Ron Mc]

Showed up at my buddy's house one morning and he was roasting coffee on the 
back porch - before I found that out I was looking around to see which of 
his neighbors houses had burned down,.  
It doesn't smell good, so do it outside.  
I have many friends who roast great beans, one a favorite kayak coast trip 
buddy - he makes the coffee and I make the breakfast tacos.  
Sweet Maria's is great, but I also have heard of people smuggling Cuban 
beans through Canada post.  

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 6:28:13 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I’ve toyed with the idea of roasting my own coffee. Then Kellie goes and 
> mentions Sweet Maria’s and I find this:
>
> https://www.sweetmarias.com/product/heavy-gauge-stovetop-popper-with-ss-base
>
> Experiences and recommendations? Is it practical to roast your own coffee? 
> Benefits?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[drew]

In that situation, what would the hunq offer that the Joe doesn't? 

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Re: [RBW] N minus 2 plus 1

[DaveS]

Thanks for the input. One thing to throw into the mix is that I am 6'3 and 
260..even w losing a third of my former self.so not sure if I am going 
to break things.

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Re: [RBW] N minus 2 plus 1

[Jay Connolly]

All the more reason to keep the Jones, in my view. You'd have to talk to Riv 
about tolerances. I'm 6'5" and 265, and in that context, the Sam is not a burly 
bike. Grant advised me that it would be just fine as a road bike but less 
suited to trail riding and loaded touring. It's a great road bike, for my 
purposes. The Jones is a great mountain bike, for my purposes.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Jay Connolly]

Wider tires.

Jay

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[J Imler]

Would anyone speak to heel clearance on the Hunq? I've got a rear rack with 
side Wald baskets on my App and there's no issue at all with heel rub. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Stuart Lovinggood]

I tried both on my visit to HQ, and ended up with an Appaloosa almost entirely 
because it was cheaper. Not that I couldn't save up for the Hunq but it's more 
money than I'm comfortable sinking into a bike at my station in life. But the 
Hunq had something in the ride quality that was doing it for me. It reminded me 
of my Bridgestone MB, which is an amazingly comfy bike in my mind. 

Worth noting that if you are a taller person, you won't be able to hop on the 
650b train on an Appaloosa. Hunqs can be ordered up to 59 size with 650b 
wheels. I ride 29x2.1 on my Joe and it's is a lot of tire to be pushing around 
everywhere I go. Like I said, I really like riding 26" on my MB-5. 

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Re: [RBW] N minus 2 plus 1

[Patrick Moore]

+1. I myself would be happy with such a trio! (Well, almost as happy as
with my present trio, but close.)

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Jay Connolly  wrote:

> Keep the Jones, sell the Surly; keep the Bombadil, sell the Fargo. Buy a
> Roadini or a Roadeo, or something similar. Use the Jones for all rough
> tracks, snow, mud, and so on. Use the Bombadil for mixed surface rides,
> groomed gravel, light trails, and easy recreational rides. Buy a more
> Road-boasted bike for pushing yourself on the pavement.
>

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Re: [RBW] N minus 2 plus 1

[Bill Lindsay]

Also agreeing with Jay, but the roadish bike should be a Sam or a Hilsen, 
in my opinion.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 7:15:12 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> Keep the Jones, sell the Surly; keep the Bombadil, sell the Fargo. Buy a 
> Roadini or a Roadeo, or something similar. Use the Jones for all rough 
> tracks, snow, mud, and so on. Use the Bombadil for mixed surface rides, 
> groomed gravel, light trails, and easy recreational rides. Buy a more 
> Road-boasted bike for pushing yourself on the pavement.
>
> I know the problem. In my enthusiasm for bikes I liked, I used to have a 
> tendency to replicate them. Always this led to the realization that I had 
> simply duplicated, but rarely improved, something I liked. I have a Jones 
> Plus and would never sell it, though I may do what you've done and at a fat 
> front tire to make it even more versatile. It's my mountain biking, 
> single-track, and bikepacking rig (replaced a Fargo I used on the GDMBR in 
> 2015). I have an Appaloosa set up with a relatively high drop bar and full 
> racks, and it's incredibly comfortable for touring, for hauling, and for 
> rose-smelling. I have a Sam Hillborne set up with a lower bar and no racks, 
> and I ride that briskly for 1, 2, or 3 hours at a time. I think of it as my 
> fitness bike. The Appaloosa and the Sam could be setup similarly, but they 
> are completely different bikes the way I have them rigged.
>
> Good luck with reconstructing your stable.
>
> Jay
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N minus 2 plus 1

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Partial answer here but I would not sell the Jones if I were you.  I have 
the Jones in Ti with 2" smooth tires and it is a comfortable and fast (!) 
bike that I ride on pavement.  Probably not its highest and best use ,of 
course, but I love it.

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 8:48:57 PM UTC-4, DaveS wrote:
>
> Good evening, my name is Dave and I have a problem, which it appears that 
> many others here do as well!  I am reviewing my stable and find that I have 
> ended up building four of essentially the same bike.first, a Gen 1 
> Fargo, fits great, with dirt drops, and spare wheel set with knobbies, the 
> second, the freak bike, and XL troll with heavy duty DH wheels, Velo Orange 
> Daija bars, front shock, Chris King, and related component builds, a jones 
> bike 29 plus and a big 60 cm bombadil built up with racks, Velo orange 
> porteau bars and related components.the bombadil and the fargo are my 
> primary road rides, primary on the Erie Canal and similar paved/dirt trails 
> in the area (upstate NY).  The Jones is used as an off road, and snow bike 
> fitted with a fat front and the Troll was built up with spare parts to use 
> for CX.  Unfortunately, when I built them I was about 150 pounds larger 
> than I am nowwhich brings me to my question and need for guidance.  I 
> am going to sell the Troll (-1) plus or minus the Bombadil or Jones (-2) 
> and am considering replacing with a Homer or Sam.my thoughts is that 
> that would be a more road/paved fun bike f or longer riders, or Random type 
> rides now that I am much smaller.  The overlap that I see is that the Fargo 
> and Bombadil would likely fit the same niche, but are not as sporty.  So, 
> my question is, is there that much of a ride difference from the Bombadil 
> into a more country and road type Riv?  I know that many of you have 
> multiple Riv's, and use them in many different ways...but the overlap in 
> the fleet seems to beg the consideration.  Appreciate any input, this has 
> been a great board to learn from and you all got me into the Bombadil.  And 
> if anyone is interested in the XL Troll, let me know!  it will need a good 
> home!  
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 32R rear rack

[Kieran J]

Re-looking once again for one of these for a project. Missed out on one FS 
the other day. Anyone else got one?

KJ


On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 6:27:08 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm scoping for one of the MED Nitto 32R rear racks, as per below.
> Drop me a line if you have one to spare.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
> Toronto, Canada
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Velo Orange Rondonneur 61cm

[Tim Butterfield]

I had a VO Rando when I lived in Illinois.  It wasn't a Riv, but was a very
nice bike.  Mine had Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x32 with Honjo fenders.
The front rack mount had to be bent over the brakes and clearance was a bit
tight, but it did fit together and seemed to work well for the paved riding
I was doing then.



Tim

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 1:49 PM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I have one of these---2, actually---set up similarly to yours, so I'm not
> in the market but wanted to tell anyone considering it that it's a great
> model.  The ride is smooth and really comfortable, just all-around
> terrific.  In my opinion the only drawback is that max tire width with
> fenders is 28mm (32mm without, if I remember correctly), but the rest of
> the bike's qualities make up for it.
>
> Donald, your price seems quite fair given the accoutrements.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 32R rear rack

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

There's one on eBay now that looks medium to me:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-Campee-Rear-Bike-Rack-/202004571051?

This is the second auction he's posted for it; the first closed with a $135 
opener and no bids, so he relisted it at $175.  Go figure.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Finally, I have Riv

[RichS]

Bill, congratulations on officially being in the Riv family! So happy for 
you:-

Best regards,
Richard in Decatur, GA

On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:36:14 PM UTC-4, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Bobs and Rivs,
>
> A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic 
> pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years 
> waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up for 
> sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv 
> custom regularly!
>
> Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps? Anyways, 
> it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage (other Bills 
> will approve, I'm sure). 
>
> Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the years: 
> 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers, Suntour 
> Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176 (think Noodle 
> was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der, Technomic stem. 
> Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. Pedals are clones of 
> Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple crankset. 
>
> First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as the 
> Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for a 
> quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag 
> which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add 
> Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is a 
> minor thing for a rainy winter day. 
>
> The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel. 
> Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires. 
> Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll 
> get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will 
> at Riv said that was the max for sure). 
>
> Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours 
> where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my 
> road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head 
> tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without 
> TCO!
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>

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[RBW] Re: HubbuHubbuH - First Loaded Tour

[RichS]

Such a good story! That'll be a sweet memory for you and your daughters. 
Thank you for posting - and including the pics.

Best regards,
Richard

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 1:33:44 AM UTC-4, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
> In hindsight, it may not have been the best conceived plan but I am a firm 
> believer that a bit of naïvety makes for a good bicycle adventure. An open 
> mind, willingness to go-with-the-flow, sometimes a series of weird events 
> comes together to make for interesting life experiences.
>
> Quick string of events leading up to the "accidental" purchase of a 
> HubbuHubbuH tandem: 
>
>- 17 year old daughter tears ACL second time
>- Cancel snowboard/ski trip to Whistler. (Role reversal - daughter 
>skis, 46 year-old dad snowboards.)
>- Impromptu replacement vacation March west-coast road-trip places 
>father and daughter in Walnut Creek 
>- Daughter - Dad best favoritist tandem combo ever takes HubbuHubbuH 
>out for test ride - hooked and instantly regret having not been on 
>pre-order.
>- Place name on "list" for "if there is ever a second run of tandems, 
>I'd be interested."
>- Email to contact Dave at Rivendell that there are a few tandem 
>frames available
>- Call, talk briefly with Dave - how could I *not* order one?
>
> Before ordering the Rivendell, I'd rationalized how good we had it with 
> our old steel Abatrossed Trek T200. My next bike was going to be another 
> Rivendell custom to replace my beloved and dearly departed Quickbeam. I've 
> got parts on the shelf waiting for just the right inspiration, but none of 
> it really what I wanted to use on the tandem. My first foray into 584 
> wheels, I had so little I could use, I've had to spread the wealth among 
> various bike shops near and far.  It's been a bit of a scramble to put the 
> HubbuHubbuH together. Once road-worthy, it's been the bike I've ridden most 
> this year.  LOTS of good miles, ice-cream runs, laughs, and wandering,  
> What a blessing to have a 17 year old daughter that WANTS to spend time 
> with dad, wants to cruise around.
>
>
> In a separate and closely related life thread - my 20 year old daughter 
> FINALLY discovered that she likes to ride a bike. Likes to ride enough to 
> ask dad if maybe his telling of 30 years of RAGBRAI stories warranted 
> giving it a shot.  Time to create something more than the 
> dumpster-find-become college get-around bike... Queue up another new bike 
> purchase and build.
>
>
> With the older sister interested, so much saddle time on the new tandem, 
> one thing led to another and so this was the year.  This was the year that 
> the kids were FINALLY going to join dad on his annual trip to Iowa. 
> Somehow, perhaps by obscuring details, over-selling how much fun it'd be... 
> I managed to convince both girls that the only way to truly experience the 
> *fun* was to do as I have for the last 20 years or so... pack up and ride 
> TO Iowa first, join in the folly of the ride across the state for a few 
> days, then turn back north to get back to Minnesota. Maybe my trying to 
> convince them was equal part trying to convince myself that heading off on 
> an upright-barred cruiser tandem was a good idea...  Fully loaded on a 
> tandem with a kid with arthritis and a torn ACL, what could *possibly* go 
> wrong!?
>
>
> Skip to conclusion... aggressive mileage plans were adjusted. 6 days of 
> riding together, everyone still gets along and there's talk of "next year"
>
>
> The HubbuHubbuH is an amazing bike, I have amazing and patient friends, 
> and I have even more amazing kids.
>
>
> Some photos compliments of my good friend Scott who joined in the fun: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/aFk8SBsJMTZNkCpU2 
>
>
>
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Velo Orange Rondonneur 61cm

[Donald Funke]

The bike is sold! thank you!

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 1:30:42 PM UTC-6, Donald Funke wrote:
>
> If you love your Rambo but wish it was low trail this is the bike for you. 
> Not Rivendell but lugged and very classy build.
> https://bozeman.craigslist.org/bik/6244049868.html
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[RBW] Re: Did the Hunqapillar effective top tube length change over the years?

[stonehog]

I have an original 54cm Hunqa and a 59cm Homer.  The Hunqa has an effective 
.5cm extra length - I believe it is 58.5cm vs the Homer's 58cm. I will 
measure and post actuals when I get home tonight, but I can at least 
confirm it has a longer top tube than a 59cm Homer.

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 7:50:53 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Does anyone who owns an early generation 54cm Hunqapillar mind measuring 
> the effective top-tube length?  The current Hunq's are listed as 584mm ETT 
> but I have a geometry diagram of a 54 with a 599 ETT.  
>
> I find that I'm very sensitive to top tube length and prefer a longer ETT 
> over a shorter one.  I hope to someday pick up a used Hunqapillar and would 
> like to verify if there actually are 54cm Hunqapillars with an almost 60cm 
> ETT out there.  
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 32R rear rack

[jjss]

I was going to bid on that but then one popped up for slightly cheaper.  I 
communicated with the guy and I happen to know that he has it set up to 
auto-accept an offer of $135!  Hope that helps.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 12:40:36 PM UTC-7, Dave Small wrote:
>
> There's one on eBay now that looks medium to me:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-Campee-Rear-Bike-Rack-/202004571051?
>
> This is the second auction he's posted for it; the first closed with a 
> $135 opener and no bids, so he relisted it at $175.  Go figure.  
>
> Dave
>
>

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[RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early Saluki's???  
looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.

I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to be 
subtle differences.

I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located them


John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: HubbuHubbuH - First Loaded Tour

[Ryan Fleming]

Great story and pictures...Hubbu tandem sounds like a great bike; glad you 
had such a good time

So, inquiring minds have to ask...what is your 20-year-old daughter riding?

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 12:33:44 AM UTC-5, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
> In hindsight, it may not have been the best conceived plan but I am a firm 
> believer that a bit of naïvety makes for a good bicycle adventure. An open 
> mind, willingness to go-with-the-flow, sometimes a series of weird events 
> comes together to make for interesting life experiences.
>
> Quick string of events leading up to the "accidental" purchase of a 
> HubbuHubbuH tandem: 
>
>- 17 year old daughter tears ACL second time
>- Cancel snowboard/ski trip to Whistler. (Role reversal - daughter 
>skis, 46 year-old dad snowboards.)
>- Impromptu replacement vacation March west-coast road-trip places 
>father and daughter in Walnut Creek 
>- Daughter - Dad best favoritist tandem combo ever takes HubbuHubbuH 
>out for test ride - hooked and instantly regret having not been on 
>pre-order.
>- Place name on "list" for "if there is ever a second run of tandems, 
>I'd be interested."
>- Email to contact Dave at Rivendell that there are a few tandem 
>frames available
>- Call, talk briefly with Dave - how could I *not* order one?
>
> Before ordering the Rivendell, I'd rationalized how good we had it with 
> our old steel Abatrossed Trek T200. My next bike was going to be another 
> Rivendell custom to replace my beloved and dearly departed Quickbeam. I've 
> got parts on the shelf waiting for just the right inspiration, but none of 
> it really what I wanted to use on the tandem. My first foray into 584 
> wheels, I had so little I could use, I've had to spread the wealth among 
> various bike shops near and far.  It's been a bit of a scramble to put the 
> HubbuHubbuH together. Once road-worthy, it's been the bike I've ridden most 
> this year.  LOTS of good miles, ice-cream runs, laughs, and wandering,  
> What a blessing to have a 17 year old daughter that WANTS to spend time 
> with dad, wants to cruise around.
>
>
> In a separate and closely related life thread - my 20 year old daughter 
> FINALLY discovered that she likes to ride a bike. Likes to ride enough to 
> ask dad if maybe his telling of 30 years of RAGBRAI stories warranted 
> giving it a shot.  Time to create something more than the 
> dumpster-find-become college get-around bike... Queue up another new bike 
> purchase and build.
>
>
> With the older sister interested, so much saddle time on the new tandem, 
> one thing led to another and so this was the year.  This was the year that 
> the kids were FINALLY going to join dad on his annual trip to Iowa. 
> Somehow, perhaps by obscuring details, over-selling how much fun it'd be... 
> I managed to convince both girls that the only way to truly experience the 
> *fun* was to do as I have for the last 20 years or so... pack up and ride 
> TO Iowa first, join in the folly of the ride across the state for a few 
> days, then turn back north to get back to Minnesota. Maybe my trying to 
> convince them was equal part trying to convince myself that heading off on 
> an upright-barred cruiser tandem was a good idea...  Fully loaded on a 
> tandem with a kid with arthritis and a torn ACL, what could *possibly* go 
> wrong!?
>
>
> Skip to conclusion... aggressive mileage plans were adjusted. 6 days of 
> riding together, everyone still gets along and there's talk of "next year"
>
>
> The HubbuHubbuH is an amazing bike, I have amazing and patient friends, 
> and I have even more amazing kids.
>
>
> Some photos compliments of my good friend Scott who joined in the fun: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/aFk8SBsJMTZNkCpU2 
>
>
>
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: Finally, I have Riv

[REC]

Congratulations on your new love.  I hope you have many happy rides with it.

On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:36:14 PM UTC-4, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>
> Bobs and Rivs,
>
> A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic 
> pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years 
> waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up for 
> sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv 
> custom regularly!
>
> Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps? Anyways, 
> it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage (other Bills 
> will approve, I'm sure). 
>
> Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the years: 
> 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers, Suntour 
> Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176 (think Noodle 
> was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der, Technomic stem. 
> Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. Pedals are clones of 
> Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple crankset. 
>
> First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as the 
> Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for a 
> quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag 
> which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add 
> Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is a 
> minor thing for a rainy winter day. 
>
> The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel. 
> Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires. 
> Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll 
> get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will 
> at Riv said that was the max for sure). 
>
> Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours 
> where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my 
> road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head 
> tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without 
> TCO!
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Kurt Manley]

I own a Hunq and had an Appaloosa based Proto-Riv and for me the Hunq was 
the right bike. But I loved the Appa a lot. 
I wanted to be able to ride rougher single track with tight turns and was 
willing to give up the extra smoothness and stability on the longer bike 
for more agility so I went with the shorter Hunq. 
I sold my Proto to a fellow lister and he puts his kid on the back and 
loads the front with his camping gear and rides around Oregon like that. I 
think it's the perfect bike for what he's doing. The longer bike was by far 
the most stable, comfortable bike I have ever ridden but that did make it a 
bit harder to maneuver through rough stuff off road. I still did it but a 
shorter bike is easier. 
If it were me I'd figure out what type of riding I'd be doing most and base 
my decision on that. If you're doing rides that are mostly pavement or fire 
roads the Appaloosa is probably they way to go. If you're routinely hitting 
rougher singletrack the the Hunq might be your bike. The Appa will ride 
smoother. 

The Hunq is no mountain bike though, it's fairly capable but I might buy 
the Appa and spend the money I saved on a Karate Monkey or similar for 
trail shredding


On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
>
> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
> What would make you choose one over the other?
>

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[RBW] Saluki Links

[Justin, Oakland]

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

-J

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Justin
 
Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, like 
they did for the Blerliot.
 
 
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

 
 
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From: Justin, Oakland 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

-J

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Kevin Lindsey]

I have a 54 cm Hunqapillar and carry the big Ortlieb bags on a Nitto Big 
Back rack.  My heels don't come anywhere near the bags.
Kevin

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:01:08 PM UTC-4, J Imler wrote:
>
> Would anyone speak to heel clearance on the Hunq? I've got a rear rack 
> with side Wald baskets on my App and there's no issue at all with heel rub. 

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[RBW] why so many joe's up for sale?

[Singlespeed Johnny]

i accidentally hijacked a for sale thread asking this and am sorry for that. 
buuut, i've noticed a lot of appaloosa's up for sale (including the one that i 
sold) and am wondering what's going on. sure, there's a lot of other rivs for 
sale here to, but given that the joe is such a new model it seems like the time 
produced (<2yrs) to number up for sale seems high.
i personally didn't care for the long wheelbase and the bike overall felt 
really sluggish to me. the mega long wheelbase coupled with a 2.1" max tire 
just didn't fit my style of riding. when i stood up to pedal and put power 
down, the bike didn't wanna go any more forward than me sitting and spinning 
which i am not used to. overall, i'm glad i got to experience owning a riv and 
wouldn't rule another one out in the future but would def stick to an atlantis 
or hunq.
why did you guys sell or are currently trying to sell yours?

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Michelle! What an exciting dilemma you're in! 

That's me Kurt is talking about! I didn't even occur to me that I might 
have something to add to this post until Kurt added his two cents. I bought 
his Proto-appaloosa this spring and I've been loving it. I haven't ever 
ridden a Hunqapillar, but if anyone in Portland has a 62cm I'd love to take 
it for a spin! The bike I own is basically Appaloosa geometry with a 
Hunqapillar fork and diagatube. So far, I've mostly been commuting on it 
with a few mini-tours on mixed road/gravel here in Oregon. Its VERY 
comfortable. I was able to ride some rough gravel roads and you can just 
fly on descents. It feels like you're floating through all the bumps. You 
will notice that it takes a little extra leaning for tight corners. I have 
dreams of riding more singletrack, but I know the vast majority of my 
riding will be on the road or fire roads. Overall, I'd definitely recommend 
the Appaloosa if you're looking for an all-arounder (tour, gravel, commute, 
etc.). Here's a picture of the ride Kurt was referring to that I did with 
my son: https://www.instagram.com/p/BXLg4k-BB32/?taken-by=hunqaloosa So 
fun! 

The long chain stays tend to draw attention of others, so you'll likely get 
some comments and need to explain things for people. But the bike will 
stand out for lots of other reasons too. :) 

Cheers,
Tim O.
Portland, OR

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:09:02 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> I own a Hunq and had an Appaloosa based Proto-Riv and for me the Hunq was 
> the right bike. But I loved the Appa a lot. 
> I wanted to be able to ride rougher single track with tight turns and was 
> willing to give up the extra smoothness and stability on the longer bike 
> for more agility so I went with the shorter Hunq. 
> I sold my Proto to a fellow lister and he puts his kid on the back and 
> loads the front with his camping gear and rides around Oregon like that. I 
> think it's the perfect bike for what he's doing. The longer bike was by far 
> the most stable, comfortable bike I have ever ridden but that did make it a 
> bit harder to maneuver through rough stuff off road. I still did it but a 
> shorter bike is easier. 
> If it were me I'd figure out what type of riding I'd be doing most and 
> base my decision on that. If you're doing rides that are mostly pavement or 
> fire roads the Appaloosa is probably they way to go. If you're routinely 
> hitting rougher singletrack the the Hunq might be your bike. The Appa will 
> ride smoother. 
>
> The Hunq is no mountain bike though, it's fairly capable but I might buy 
> the Appa and spend the money I saved on a Karate Monkey or similar for 
> trail shredding
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
>>
>> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
>> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
>> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
>> What would make you choose one over the other?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Bill Lindsay]

Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
Bleriot and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html

Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Hilsen 
and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html

What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B Hilsen 
and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally identical. 
 In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 54cm Saluki, 
built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you would crash 
because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Justin
>  
> Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, 
> like they did for the Blerliot.
>  
>  
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Justin, Oakland >
> To: RBW Owners Bunch >
> Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
> Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf
>
> -J
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[RBW] Re: Finally, I have Riv

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Thanks, Rich. I've not forgotten about getting a ride together. Have you 
tried the Dirty Sheets gravel route? Had some friends that did the race and 
they really loved the route. 

I get another round of knee injections in the next few weeks, so knees will 
be raring to go for a few more months!

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell GA

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:00:25 PM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> Bill, congratulations on officially being in the Riv family! So happy for 
> you:-
>
> Best regards,
> Richard in Decatur, GA
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:36:14 PM UTC-4, Bill in Roswell GA wrote:
>>
>> Bobs and Rivs,
>>
>> A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic 
>> pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years 
>> waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up for 
>> sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv 
>> custom regularly!
>>
>> Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps? Anyways, 
>> it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage (other Bills 
>> will approve, I'm sure). 
>>
>> Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the 
>> years: 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers, 
>> Suntour Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176 
>> (think Noodle was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der, 
>> Technomic stem. Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. Pedals 
>> are clones of Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple 
>> crankset. 
>>
>> First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as 
>> the Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for a 
>> quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag 
>> which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add 
>> Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is a 
>> minor thing for a rainy winter day. 
>>
>> The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel. 
>> Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires. 
>> Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll 
>> get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will 
>> at Riv said that was the max for sure). 
>>
>> Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours 
>> where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my 
>> road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head 
>> tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without 
>> TCO!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bill in Roswell, GA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Finally, I have Riv

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Wow Toshi, that came out looking great. Bet it rides like a dream on those 
42s. 

What size frame is yours? 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 6:39:37 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>
> Hi Bill, I used a Tektro R559 for the conversion.  I have some pictures 
> showing my blue ram with Synergy rims and Grand Bois Hetre tires (42 mm 
> 650b).  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/sets/72157631926815235/with/8154499211/
>
> Best,
> Toshi
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Bill in Roswell GA  > wrote:
>
>> Toshi, did you use Tektro 556 brakes on your Ram 650B conversion? That 
>> you could run 42mm tires is enlightening! 
>>
>> Look forward to seeing pics of your new ride!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bill in Roswell GA
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 7:57:53 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> Congrats on your Ram.  It's a great bike!  You can convert to 650b and 
>>> that almost eliminates the TCO, but not entirely.  I could run 42 mm with 
>>> fenders on the 650b Ram. With that said, though, I did end up selling my 
>>> Ram to a group member and getting a custom which should be finished 
>>> painting any day now...
>>>
>>> Enjoy your rides!
>>> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Bill in Roswell GA >> > wrote:
>>>
 Bobs and Rivs,

 A big thanks to Bill Hammond for the "long term loan" of his metallic 
 pearl orange Rambouillet, size 54. I've been watching on here for years 
 waiting on an orange Ram in my size. Wonder of wonders, Bill put his up 
 for 
 sale just down the road a couple of hours away. Bill still rides his Riv 
 custom regularly!

 Bill bought the Ram from the original owner, Bill Davis perhaps? 
 Anyways, it was appropriate to keep this Riv Ram in the Bill lineage 
 (other 
 Bills will approve, I'm sure). 

 Most of configuration is close to original with a few mods over the 
 years: 8 speed with Suntour bar ends, Tektro/Cane Creek brake levers, 
 Suntour Mountech crazy long front der., Brooks B-17, bar is Nitto 176 
 (think Noodle was orig), Tektro 556 long reach brakes, 105 long rear der, 
 Technomic stem. Ruffy Tuffy tires on Araya TX350/Deore Paralax hubs. 
 Pedals 
 are clones of Deore clipless (maybe MKS). Shiny Deore 5 bolt triple 
 crankset. 

 First change was for fit. Needed the bars lower to be saddle height as 
 the Technomic was way too tall when bottomed out. Had a Pearl on hand for 
 a 
 quick swap. Also added a Nitto M-13 rack for an Acorn Compact Rando bag 
 which puts the top of the bag equal with the bars. May eventually add 
 Shimano bar ends because the shape fits my hand a bit better, but that is 
 a 
 minor thing for a rainy winter day. 

 The only drivetrain change was to see how lighter wheels would feel. 
 Swapped out the Araya/Deore for Open Pro/Ultegra running 33mm tires. 
 Lighter wheels really livened up the frame and made it feel snappy. I'll 
 get a wheelset with wider rims to accomodate 37mm-as-measured tires (Will 
 at Riv said that was the max for sure). 

 Due to toe clip overlap, I won't be mounting fenders except for tours 
 where rain can be expected. I was hoping not to have TCO, but all of my 
 road bikes have it due to smallish 54 frames. Only my MTB with slack head 
 tube doesn't have TCO. One of these days I'll get a custom frame without 
 TCO!

 Cheers,
 Bill in Roswell, GA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Swift Industries Short Stack Panniers

[VeloVert]

Found. Thank you.

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