Re: [RBW] Pashley Guv'nor 22.5"

[Doug Bloch]

Ugh... why did you have to post this dream bike of mine and in my size, too. I 
almost built a knock-off a few years ago and had a guy lined up to bend the 
forks for me. Never completed the project. I had those same delta cruisers on a 
Robin Hood and they were nice, but I’m just as happy with my Rolly Pollys!

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[RBW] Re: No More Rambouillet Decals @ RBW

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Hate to hear that about the Ram decals, but they aren't that hard to copy 
and there are a few places online that will do it. I like the traditional 
minimalist decal approach used on Rivs. 

However, knowing that may prompt me to cover the decals on my orange Ram 
with 3M clear protective tape. That tape worked great for protecting decals 
on my celeste Bianchi during several seasons of CX racing. Clear protective 
tape does have a SPF, as when I removed it from the Bianchi the difference 
between the colors was obvious (it is celeste pearl, parallel to the orange 
pearl on the Ram). The celeste paint still looks good, but the protected 
paint is more vibrant and rich. I guess clearcoat doesn't have a SPF 
factor, but clear film definitely does! 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA 

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 7:06:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> I'm readying my blue Ram for a re-paint (going green this time) and 
> emailed Roman about decals.  He reports none left and they don't have the 
> graphics files.  Actually, that's Okay. I'd be happy with a more minimalist 
> badging anyway. I've asked about an R deat tube decal, but if that is a 
> dead end, does anyone have one of those "Old Man Peterson's Ferrous 
> Velocipedes" decals? My 52cm size only came in blue so the green will be 
> kind of neat, I think.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Paul Y]

That looks fantastic Nels, the Grilver is gorgeous. Your colorful saddle is 
a very fun touch!
What cranks are those?
Looking at your build makes me want to take all the useful stuff off of my 
grey/red Roadeo and go blasting.


On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 11:32:09 PM UTC+8, Nels Sorenson wrote:
>
> Frame arrived yesterday, did a quick built up and now trying out stems to 
> see which is the ticket.
> This is the first drop-bar bike I've had in twenty years.  After a few 
> short test rides I think I'll be able to do drop bars again!
>
> Nels
>
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Re: [RBW] Pashley Guv'nor 22.5"

[Geeter]

It's really smooth.  Not a quick accelerating bike but it gets.  Those big rims 
and tires are very plush.  And roller brakes are great.  I always have a 
conversation with a random stranger when I take it out.

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Re: [RBW] Pashley Guv'nor 22.5"

[Joe Bernard]

Everything you ever wanted to know about Guv'nors, including why everyone buys 
the wrong size. Great bike, I'd love to have one but I know I'd never ride a 
singlespeed around here. 

https://stuffdavelikes.wordpress.com/pashley-guvnor/

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[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Roscoe Bubbe Mountain Mixte

[Ray Varella]

I have schwalbe thunder burts on my Rosco mtn Mixte.  
They have plenty of clearance. 
I don’t see the size on them. 
They are somewhere between 2.1” and 2.35” if memory serves correctly. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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Re: [RBW] Pashley Guv'nor 22.5"

[Patrick Moore]

Man, that would look nice with that AM hub that I've been hoarding for a
few years. Too bad that it already has wheels ... (or rather, good thing,
for my budget).

How does it ride, with that 1930s geometry, compared to a modern road bike
-- let's illustrate "modern" by a Roadeo, a Roadini, a Bleriot, a pre 1990
Trek, a nice UJB, or something like that.

I'll bet those 28" tires are plush.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Geeter  wrote:

> As this isn't a Riv if its inappropriate for the group please remove.  I
> just figured it is in the spirit of a Riv and perhaps someone here would be
> interested.  My wife wants a long tail to transport our kids so this has to
> go.  Its a beaut.
>
>
> For sale is a beautiful and unique take on a 1930's path racer. Pashley
> had Reynolds reissue their 531 tubing just for this frame. Details are
> amazing and this bike is sure to turn heads. Only upgrade from stock are
> the Brooks ring grips. Even has a titanium railed Brooks saddle!
>
> Size is 22.5 or the listed large.
>
> Full specs here: http://www.pashley.co.uk/bikes/bicycles/guv-nor.php
>
> Colour: Buckingham Black.
> Gears: Sturmey Archer XRD single speed
> Frame: Traditional lugged and brazed construction with authentic 1930s
> geometry. Scalloped lugs and Reynolds 531 butted tubes. Individually
> hand-built
> Fork: Tubular crown, hand-brazed.
> Saddle: Antique brown Brooks B17 natural leather saddle with titanium
> chassis.
> Handlebar: North Road drop bar on a forged alloy quill stem.
> Brakes: Sturmey Archer all-weather, low maintenance front and rear hub
> brakes.
> Wheels: 28" gold lined black alloy Westwood rims (26" for the 20" frame)
> with stainless steel spokes.
> Tyres: 28x1 1/2" Cream Schwalbe Delta Cruiser tyres (26 x 1 3/8" tyre size
> for the 20" frame) with Kevlar Guard belt puncture protection and
> reflective side walls.
> Mudguards None supplied.
> Pedals: MKS Sylvan Stream.
> Crankset: Sugino XD2 (46T, 170mm) with guard.
> Other Features: Micro-adjust alloy seatpost, brass bell
>
> FYI: Bike is located in Chicago.  If anyone in the lower Wisco, NW IN, or
> SW MI wants to meet up we can discuss.
> Asking $900.  Buyer covers shipping.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C Forum

[Bob B]

I was kinda put off by this whole thing and then I read “It was the sight 
of Petersen’s naked body that drove Brian Wilson insane.” and laughed out 
loud pretty hard and realized this is all actually pretty funny

Bob
Brooklyn, NY


On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 7:24:25 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> The genesis of these type of ridiculous Grant Petersen threads on that 
> site derives from  the often mutti-page arguments about Rivendell vs. Older 
> road bikes. They often revolved around folks who owned Rivendells (of wich 
> there were not that many on that site) vs. people who thought Rivendell was 
> "ripping off" older road bike attributes and charging a premium for pre 
> existing technology. 
>
> The consensus was often arrived at that Rivendell owners were a part of a 
> "cult" who slavish followed everything Grant said as gospel.  This style of 
> goofiness was arrived at as a way to diffuse pointless arguments with 
> pointless posts. It is still alive and well.
>
> I 
>

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[RBW] Re: Next big ride and a 1xRoadbike

[Ian A]

Hello Bill,

You decoded my rather too brief question correctly. I was mostly interested in 
what you do for lighting on the Hillborne for rando rides. The pictures of the 
bicycle in this thread don't show the lighting arrangement and at this time of 
year, daylight is limited for brevet rides. So I wondered. 

It's snowing heavily here today, winter has arrived too soon. Please post a 
ride report after the upcoming brevet so the northern amongst us can enjoy 
vicariously. 

IanA/Alberta Canada

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C Forum

[Brian Campbell]

The genesis of these type of ridiculous Grant Petersen threads on that site 
derives from  the often mutti-page arguments about Rivendell vs. Older road 
bikes. They often revolved around folks who owned Rivendells (of wich there 
were not that many on that site) vs. people who thought Rivendell was 
"ripping off" older road bike attributes and charging a premium for pre 
existing technology. 

The consensus was often arrived at that Rivendell owners were a part of a 
"cult" who slavish followed everything Grant said as gospel.  This style of 
goofiness was arrived at as a way to diffuse pointless arguments with 
pointless posts. It is still alive and well.

I 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C Forum

[Joe Bernard]

The bad people. 

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[RBW] Re: actual Roadini geometry specs?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, it's a "compact frame" sizing where someone who rides a horizontal-tt 54cm 
road bike (like myself) would get a 50cm Roadini. 

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[RBW] Re: Next big ride and a 1xRoadbike

[Bill Lindsay]

Ian A asked a general question, but I suspect might have meant something 
specific.  I'm not sure what specific question he meant.  


Today?  Today, I have a Light and Motion rechargeable battery powered thing 
that a friend of mine won at a 24 hour mountain bike race, and he 
perma-loaned to me.  I don't know the model and the model probably doesn't 
matter because it's old.  

In general?  I move around this battery powered thing to whatever bike I'm 
riding, if the bike I'm riding has no dynamo.  Many of my bikes have a 
dynamo hub.  I set up this bike and my Rosco Bubbe Road with the same rims, 
so those two bikes can swap front wheels.  One has a Dura Ace hub, and the 
other has a Son Deluxe dynamo hub.  So, sometimes I run this bike with a 
Schmidt dynamo hub and a hanging Edelux lamp.

Rear lighting?  This bike has a Dutch fender taillight.  

Did you mean something else?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 3:23:49 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
>
> What do you use for lighting, Bill? 
>
> IanA
>

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[RBW] Re: A question about frame bags

[Deacon Patrick]

Tim, I’ve refrained from chiming in, but seeing your more specific circumstance 
and desire I feel obliged. I love bikepacking my Hunqapillar with rear panniers 
and loading my sleeping bag/pad/tent on top of the rear rack. I sometimes add a 
small trunk sack with food to a mini front rack, but of late I prefer leaving 
the front wheel empty. I ride fairly technical singletrack with this set up and 
have zero issue with handling. You can see my set up here: 
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/s24o-on-the-skirts-of-pikes-peak

I’ve ridden a bit of the Colorado Trail, the Continental Divide Trail (both 
nearly all single track) and a few hundred miles of the Great Divide MTB trail 
(mostly forest service roads in various states of (dis)repair) and this is the 
set up I’ve settled on for me. I care what I need for comfort no matter which 
of the four seasons shows up, so I’m prepard for down to zero nights and 
whatever winds occure, even in the middle of summer. My load totals about 50 
pounds with food and water.

Biking trails with a load requires a different set of expectations and handling 
skills than biking the same trails without a load. Kinda the difference between 
riding a spirited mountain horse with and without him loaded for camping, I 
expect. The only way to learn it is to do it, and you’re well on your way with 
the trip you’ve already taken. Play, have fun, and you’ll learn something with 
every trip, no matter how often you’ve gone — and some of those will be grand 
adventures BECAUSE of what you get to learn. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: actual Roadini geometry specs?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Which of course makes perfect sense, if you read what you posted from the 
brochure I posted--the Roadini sizes are 2-3cm smaller than the more 
conventional Roadeo sizes. So, the 54 Roadini will fit like a 56-57cm 
Roadeo, ergo, it has a 56.5cm effective top tube.

On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 2:48:31 PM UTC-7, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> Am I reading this right? The 54cm has a 56.5cm effective top tube.
>
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 8:06:45 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> 54cm 
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-540-Geo.jpg
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C Forum

[Austin ^]

Based on the cultural references, people who have gotten ahold of a device 
that lets them broadcast to today's internet from 1981.

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[RBW] Re: Next big ride and a 1xRoadbike

[Ian A]

What do you use for lighting, Bill? 

IanA

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[RBW] Re: Next big ride and a 1xRoadbike

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, I like the Avocet saddle

On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 2:51:27 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Here's a link to that cat's Sam that he Randonneurs with.
>
> https://chasingmailboxes.com/2011/04/13/bikes-to-like-worlds-greatest-randonneurs-sam-hillborne/
>
> Do you like the Avocet saddle? I seem to see a fair amount of them in pics 
> of steel bikes, so they must be popular.
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[RBW] Re: actual Roadini geometry specs?

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes. You are reading that correctly.  

On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 2:48:31 PM UTC-7, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> Am I reading this right? The 54cm has a 56.5cm effective top tube.
>
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 8:06:45 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> 54cm 
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-540-Geo.jpg
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C Forum

[lum gim fong]

Who are these people who talk so bizarrely? 

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[RBW] Re: Next big ride and a 1xRoadbike

[lum gim fong]

Here's a link to that cat's Sam that he Randonneurs with.
https://chasingmailboxes.com/2011/04/13/bikes-to-like-worlds-greatest-randonneurs-sam-hillborne/

Do you like the Avocet saddle? I seem to see a fair amount of them in pics 
of steel bikes, so they must be popular.

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[RBW] Re: actual Roadini geometry specs?

[Lester Lammers]

Am I reading this right? The 54cm has a 56.5cm effective top tube.

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 8:06:45 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> 54cm https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-540-Geo.jpg
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C Forum

[Steve Palincsar]

"Rocket Sauce" just posted a follow-up:

   “Grant Petersen is the father of every kid in this town!”
   “Grant Petersen once showed me a video of him making love to my
   wife, and it was the most beautiful thing I ever saw!”
   “He’d eat a homeless person if you dared him!”
   “His poop is used as currency in Argentina.”
   “He sweats Gatorade”
   “He once breast-fed a flamingo back to health.”
   “He hated Mexicans! And he was half Mexican! …….And he hated irony!”
   “He sheds his skin once a year.”
   “He makes brooms somewhere in Georgia.”
   “He once inhaled a seagull.”
   “The Pope told him it was ok to have a mistress.”
   “It was the sight of Petersen’s naked body that drove Brian Wilson
   insane.”
   “He once had sex with a cigarette machine.”
   “He killed Wolfman Jack with a trident.”
   “He uses the Shroud of Turin as a golf towel.”
   “He once ate the Bible while water skiing.”
   “He drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.”
   “He sired a baseball team.. an orchestra if you count the bastards!”
   “You know, he would shoot whiskey into his neck with a syringe!”
   “He has dandruff the size of mice!”
   “He jogged with a fridge on his back!”
   “He’s a ten foot tall beastman who showers in vodka and feeds his
   baby shrimp scampi.”
   “He orchestrated the merger between Unicef and Smith & Wessen.”
   “He went public with his own buttocks and made $7 million.”
   “Did I ever tell you about the time Petersen went hunting? Petersen
   decides he’s going to hunt down all four of the Banana Splits. He
   stalks and kills every one of them with a machette. They all begged
   for their lives…except Fleagle.”
   “We once had a bachelor party for Petersen. He ate the entire cake
   before we could tell him there was a stripper in it.”

   --https://www.bikeforums.net/19967986-post26.html


On 11/01/2017 06:22 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:


There's a thread going on the C Forum right now about Rivendell.  It 
started as a PSA 
 
about a sale Riv is running right now on tires.  That's pretty cool, 
and you should definitely check it out.


But then "The Golden Boy" posted this:

Did you say Grant Petersen?

Grant Petersen taught me how to love a woman — and how to scold a
child.

Grant Petersen’s colonoscopy tape got higher ratings than ‘How I
Met Your Mother.'

Did I ever tell you about the time I went horseback riding with
Grant Petersen, but there weren’t any horses around? Well, Grant
throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three
days. Well, wouldn’t you know it, my stamina increases with each
day and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Grant decides
to enter me in the Breeders’ Cup, right, under the name Turkish
Delight. And I’m running in second place, and I’m running and I
break my ankle! They’re about to shoot me. Then someone from the
crowd yells out, God bless him, ‘Don’t shoot him, he’s a human.

Did I ever tell you about the time Grant Petersen took me out to
go get a drink with him? We go off looking for a bar and we can’t
find one. Finally, Grant takes me into a vacant lot and says,
‘Here we are.’ Well, we sat there for a year and a half. Sure
enough, someone constructed a bar around us. Well, the day they
opened it, we ordered a shot, drank it, and then burnt the place
to the ground. Grant yelled over the roar of the flames, ‘Always
leave things the way you found them!'

Grant Petersen wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.

I went camping with Grant Peterson … I’m in the back of a pickup
with Grant Petersen and a live deer. Well, Grant, he grabs the
deer by the antlers, looks at it and says, ‘I’m Grant Petersen!
Say it!’ Then he squeezes the deer in such a way that a sound
comes out of its mouth — “Grantpetersen!” It wasn’t exactly it,
but it was pretty good for a deer.”

I once saw Grant scissor-kick Angela Lansbury.

Did I ever tell you about the time Grant Petersen showed up at my
daughter’s wedding? You know my daughter, she’s a beautiful girl.
Well, Grant shows up and you know he’s a big fella. Well, he’s
standing right between me and my daughter at the ceremony. He’s
got no right to be there, but he’s drunk and he’s Grant. Well,
long story short, the priest accidentally marries me and Grant. We
spend the weekend in the Poconos — he loved me like I’ve never
been loved before.

Grant once punched a hole in a cow just so he could see who was
coming up the road.

Did I ever tell you about the time Grant was in a production of
‘The King and I’? On opening night, Grant chloroformed the entire
cast and slowly eats them in front of the audience for two hours.
The production got pretty good reviews.

I remember one time Grant took his family to Sea World. They were
watching Shamu the whale 

[RBW] Re: Next big ride and a 1xRoadbike

[Bill Lindsay]

My Hillborne has been through numerous configurations.  The Campee F27 
front rack that I have installed right now is fairly heavy.  

By my bathroom scale reckoning, we're at 26.8lbs as pictured with the 
handlebar bag removed.  That 26.8 pounds is with the Campee F27 rack, with 
the fenders, with a Berthoud decaleur.  Aluminum fenders weigh about a 
pound.  The rack and decaleur are probably over two pounds together.  When 
I had it set up more as a cross bike, with no fenders, no rack and no 
decaleur, it was a hair under 24 pounds.  

On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been considering doing this to my Hillborne as well.  I also remember 
> you posting once that you had your Hillborne down to sub-25#.  How light is 
> this configuration?  
>
> John
> Curious owner of a 56 canti-Hillborne as well.
>
> On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I've signed up for my next big ride, which should be comparatively easy 
>> after my last one.  The Uvas Gold 200k is on December 2nd.  It's completely 
>> paved, and has ONLY 7200 feet of climbing.  Most of the climbing is in the 
>> first 45 miles and includes a summit of Mount Hamilton overlooking the San 
>> Jose-Fremont area.  I'm going to ride my Sam Hillborne.  I'm also going to 
>> try a new experiment:  this will be my first 200k brevet on a 1x road 
>> bike.  I've swapped things around and now my Hillborne is a 1x9, with a 42T 
>> narrow/wide ring and an 11-32 9-speed cassette.  
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> By my calculations, my gears range between 36 and 105 inches with the 
>> center cog at 64 inches.  I think that will be plenty for this course, but 
>> we'll see.  I'm contemplating a 1x10 build coming up in the not-too-distant 
>> future.  
>>
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>>
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Next big ride and a 1xRoadbike

[Surlyprof]

I've been considering doing this to my Hillborne as well.  I also remember 
you posting once that you had your Hillborne down to sub-25#.  How light is 
this configuration?  

John
Curious owner of a 56 canti-Hillborne as well.

On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I've signed up for my next big ride, which should be comparatively easy 
> after my last one.  The Uvas Gold 200k is on December 2nd.  It's completely 
> paved, and has ONLY 7200 feet of climbing.  Most of the climbing is in the 
> first 45 miles and includes a summit of Mount Hamilton overlooking the San 
> Jose-Fremont area.  I'm going to ride my Sam Hillborne.  I'm also going to 
> try a new experiment:  this will be my first 200k brevet on a 1x road 
> bike.  I've swapped things around and now my Hillborne is a 1x9, with a 42T 
> narrow/wide ring and an 11-32 9-speed cassette.  
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> By my calculations, my gears range between 36 and 105 inches with the 
> center cog at 64 inches.  I think that will be plenty for this course, but 
> we'll see.  I'm contemplating a 1x10 build coming up in the not-too-distant 
> future.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell on the C Forum

[Bill Lindsay]

Nevermind Paul Bunyan.  Tell us about Bill Brasky

On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 1:39:22 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> For those unfamiliar with him, Paul Bunyan 
>  is not someone in the bicycle 
> industry; instead, he is a figure from American folklore, the subject of 
> many tall tales .
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell on the C Forum

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Paul Bunyan makes a brief appearance in the movie Fargo. And Babe the blue ox 
too.

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[RBW] Re: A question about frame bags

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for all the input. I'm really curious about bike packing and touring. I 
did my first tour this past May and used my Berthoud handlebar bag and Nitto 
big rear rack with panniers on my Hilsen. I found the handling a little 
squirrely but I'm 230, so with luggage there was quite a load. I think an 
Atlantis would have handled it better. And for bikepacking, my Hunqapillar has 
the diagatube, so I think that would limit a frame bag a lot, and each triangle 
has a bottle holder as well. 

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell on the C Forum

[Steve Palincsar]

For those unfamiliar with him, Paul Bunyan 
 is not someone in the 
bicycle industry; instead, he is a figure from American folklore, the 
subject of many tall tales .



On 11/02/2017 10:19 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Just because you read it on the internet Steve, doesn't mean it's 100 
percent true. Lotta fake news out there, be careful.


On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 3:46:28 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar 
wrote:


Well, we all know Grant is a larger-than-life figure; here he's on
a par
with Paul Bunyan.


On 11/01/2017 06:37 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
> I see Joe Starck's sense of humor is intact...
>



Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
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[RBW] FS: Clem L 52

[Joe Bernard]

Ad is updated as original non-assist build, a listmember bought the mid-drive 
kit for HIS Clem L! Sale/trade pending with another listmember so he's first, 
but we're both going over several different options so nothing's decided yet. 

Pricing/equipment is a little different for shipping to you guys: $1400 shipped 
without racks or fenders, no saddle, no pedals. We can also talk about a 
frame-plus-parts deal. Text me with a plan if you're interested, then I'll have 
a chat with the first fellow and see where we go. Joe Bernard at:
415-786-4623
Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Bicycle Belle Ding Ding

[Leah Peterson]

Thanks for reading, everyone. I’m so happy your devices didn’t crash with the 
onslaught of photos. 

I forgot to add one last thing re: the Bicycle Bus - how could I forget this? 

This could be titled, Leah’s Bicycle Bus Goes to Court.

It was 3:00 pm on a lovely May day. School had just let out, and my two sons 
and I were perched upon the sidewalk holding onto our bikes and waiting for the 
WALK sign to walk the bikes across the crosswalk. There were several other kids 
standing with us. I know it sounds crazy, but it was like it happened in slow 
motion - an SUV came straight for us, came UP OVER THE CURB, ONTO THE SIDEWALK 
and nearly hit us. Inches. Mere inches away. The driver continued to drive, his 
two right wheels up on the sidewalk, driving as if nothing was amiss. There was 
a row of orange cones near the curb, and as he drove on, he ran over two and 
they became wedged under his chassis. He never reacted like anything was amiss; 
he just kept driving. Clearly, this person is impaired. As we were still trying 
to take this all in, a car drove by us with the window down and the driver, a 
woman, said, “I saw that! I’m calling 911!” 

We were all ok, and pulled ourselves together and began our climb up the hill. 
When we reached the top, that kind woman had pulled over and was waiting for 
police. She had followed the driver to the the entrance of the gated community 
he must live in, and had reported his license plate number. She had been 
following this driver because before our encounter, he had hit her car with his 
and refused to stop. The damage to her car was minimal, and as she drove behind 
him, she was mulling over whether to call the police or not when she saw him 
drive up onto the sidewalk into a crowd of school kids. Now she knew what she 
should do. We waited together until the police arrived.

The police officer wrote down our information and told us there were 5 other 
recent incidents on this driver’s record besides ours. He was a tenacious 
officer, not willing to give up and let this person go free. He went straight 
to the residence but the man refused to answer the door. The officer continued 
to make contact and hours later the man answered the door, and he was falling 
down drunk. There was no way to prove he was drunk at the time of his incident 
with us, so they read him the riot act but left without an arrest. They did 
file charges of failure to maintain his lane and leaving the scene of an 
accident. Just before my trip to Europe I found out the drunk was fighting 
these charges, prompting the City to subpoena me (and other other woman 
involved) to court as a witness. I’ve stayed out of trouble my whole life, so 
being in court is new and intimidating for me. I was greatly relieved when the 
court date was called off two nights before I left for Europe. I returned home, 
planted my feet on American soil  just in time to get another subpoena, this 
one for December 13. The investigator who subpoenaed me said the guy is likely 
trying to cut a deal, thus the continuance. I’m rather dreading facing this man 
in court. I never saw his face, only his vehicle, so I’m not a good witness. 
The other woman will be more important, I would think. I am not looking forward 
to an attorney pointing this out to me, or to having my character questioned. I 
also know where this man lives and thanks to Facebook, who he is. Which means 
he can know who I am as well. He has a lot of money and is in a really bad 
emotional state; thanks to FB I also know he has a teenage son dying of brain 
cancer. I feel for him, but he’s going to kill someone. 

Leah
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 3:56 AM, Steve Butcher  wrote:
> 
> Happy thoughts and images upon which to begin the day!   Thanks, Leah!
> 
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 12:08:30 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I read the list all the time but haven't said much as of late - but I mean 
> to! I recently got back from Ireland and I even took photos of interesting 
> bikes as seen on the streets there - while my husband rolled his eyes in the 
> background - because I knew you'd care (my ONLY biking friends are on this 
> list).
> 
> I've been out here, riding the wheels off TBBITW (The Best Bike in the World, 
> if you don't know) and loving it. School is in full swing and we remain the 
> only members of the Bicycle Bus. I've somehow managed to add a VIOLIN to the 
> already obnoxious load on TBBITW, and still make it up Death Hill. I put my 
> pride aside last month and got my older son a rack and Wald from Rivendell so 
> he can at least carry his own laptop and jacket. Even just that much off my 
> bike makes a difference.  More on that later.
> 
> I have several photos to share but I read somewhere that it is frowned upon 
> to put them directly onto the list email. With LTE and high speed internet, 
> is this still the rule? I could be obedient and use a Flickr link, but it 
> won't be 

[RBW] Re: A question about frame bags

[Hugh Smitham]

Tim,

The frame bag allows you to utilize a oft under utilized space. I have over 
stuffed mine and it does not interfere with my pedaling. It also allows you 
to store heavy items  towards the center of gravity of the bike.

Sorry, I didn't read all the posts so perhaps I'm just repeating what 
others have already mentioned. 

~hugh  

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C Forum

[Joe Bernard]

Classic & Vintage, a category at bikeforums.net. The link in the original post 
will take you to it. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C Forum

[Jack K]

What is "C"?

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 6:22:23 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> There's a thread going on the C Forum right now about Rivendell.  It 
> started as a PSA 
> 
>  
> about a sale Riv is running right now on tires.  That's pretty cool, and 
> you should definitely check it out.
>
> But then "The Golden Boy" posted this:
>
> Did you say Grant Petersen?
>
> Grant Petersen taught me how to love a woman — and how to scold a child.
>
> Grant Petersen’s colonoscopy tape got higher ratings than ‘How I Met Your 
> Mother.'
>
> Did I ever tell you about the time I went horseback riding with Grant 
> Petersen, but there weren’t any horses around? Well, Grant throws a saddle 
> on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn’t you 
> know it, my stamina increases with each day and I develop tremendous leg 
> muscles. So anyway, Grant decides to enter me in the Breeders’ Cup, right, 
> under the name Turkish Delight. And I’m running in second place, and I’m 
> running and I break my ankle! They’re about to shoot me. Then someone from 
> the crowd yells out, God bless him, ‘Don’t shoot him, he’s a human.
>
> Did I ever tell you about the time Grant Petersen took me out to go get a 
> drink with him? We go off looking for a bar and we can’t find one. Finally, 
> Grant takes me into a vacant lot and says, ‘Here we are.’ Well, we sat 
> there for a year and a half. Sure enough, someone constructed a bar around 
> us. Well, the day they opened it, we ordered a shot, drank it, and then 
> burnt the place to the ground. Grant yelled over the roar of the flames, 
> ‘Always leave things the way you found them!'
>
> Grant Petersen wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
>
> I went camping with Grant Peterson … I’m in the back of a pickup with 
> Grant Petersen and a live deer. Well, Grant, he grabs the deer by the 
> antlers, looks at it and says, ‘I’m Grant Petersen! Say it!’ Then he 
> squeezes the deer in such a way that a sound comes out of its mouth — 
> “Grantpetersen!” It wasn’t exactly it, but it was pretty good for a deer.”
>
> I once saw Grant scissor-kick Angela Lansbury.
>
> Did I ever tell you about the time Grant Petersen showed up at my 
> daughter’s wedding? You know my daughter, she’s a beautiful girl. Well, 
> Grant shows up and you know he’s a big fella. Well, he’s standing right 
> between me and my daughter at the ceremony. He’s got no right to be there, 
> but he’s drunk and he’s Grant. Well, long story short, the priest 
> accidentally marries me and Grant. We spend the weekend in the Poconos — he 
> loved me like I’ve never been loved before.
>
> Grant once punched a hole in a cow just so he could see who was coming up 
> the road.
>
> Did I ever tell you about the time Grant was in a production of ‘The King 
> and I’? On opening night, Grant chloroformed the entire cast and slowly 
> eats them in front of the audience for two hours. The production got pretty 
> good reviews.
>
> I remember one time Grant took his family to Sea World. They were watching 
> Shamu the whale when Grant got splashed. So Grant yells, ‘I’m Grant 
> Petersen and no one gets me wet!’ So he climbs into the tank, grabs Shamu, 
> and throws the whale into the audience, splashes him and yells, ‘How do you 
> like it?’ And then damn if Grant didn’t step in there and finish the show.”
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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[RBW] Next big ride and a 1xRoadbike

[Irreguleur]

One of the few 1x setups that is pleasing to my eyes. Looks proportionally 
correct. Just an aesthetic opinion, not based on science or magic. I think it’s 
the sub10 cassette.

ANYWAY: always happy to see your goal oriented tinkering - can’t wait for the 
report.

-Jacob
Brooklyn

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[RBW] Next big ride and a 1xRoadbike

[lum gim fong]

Should work out.
The Worlds Greatest Randonneur rode a Sam.

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[RBW] Next big ride and a 1xRoadbike

[Bill Lindsay]

I've signed up for my next big ride, which should be comparatively easy 
after my last one.  The Uvas Gold 200k is on December 2nd.  It's completely 
paved, and has ONLY 7200 feet of climbing.  Most of the climbing is in the 
first 45 miles and includes a summit of Mount Hamilton overlooking the San 
Jose-Fremont area.  I'm going to ride my Sam Hillborne.  I'm also going to 
try a new experiment:  this will be my first 200k brevet on a 1x road 
bike.  I've swapped things around and now my Hillborne is a 1x9, with a 42T 
narrow/wide ring and an 11-32 9-speed cassette.  





By my calculations, my gears range between 36 and 105 inches with the 
center cog at 64 inches.  I think that will be plenty for this course, but 
we'll see.  I'm contemplating a 1x10 build coming up in the not-too-distant 
future.  


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA



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Re: [RBW] Re: Lost & found anything while riding?

[christian poppell]

Lost my keys on a ride once. They were clipped to my saddle bag. I remember 
blasting down a rough trail thinking how it was so quiet... Didn't realize 
they had unclipped themselves in all the commotion. Someone called me the 
next morning as I was driving back to the trail to search. I keep a dog tag 
with my name and number on my keys. A trail runner had picked them up. I 
met him in a parking lot near by and gave him 20$. Well worth it.

On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 10:22:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That's a story worth hearing, I'd say. Care to expand?
>
> Patrick Moore, whose only romantic bicycle encounter involved him 
> refinishing a 100 year old street door and her riding a Canadian Tire 
> bicycle with saddle too low, in Quebec, PQ.
>
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:01 AM, MartyG  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:14:38 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>>
>>>  Has anyone here ever had success finding stuff while riding?  
>>>
>>
>> Do human beings count? I married one I found on a moonlit rail-trail ride 
>> in 1993. I didn't bother to ask around to see if anyone lost her...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lost & found anything while riding?

[Patrick Moore]

That's a story worth hearing, I'd say. Care to expand?

Patrick Moore, whose only romantic bicycle encounter involved him
refinishing a 100 year old street door and her riding a Canadian Tire
bicycle with saddle too low, in Quebec, PQ.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:01 AM, MartyG  wrote:

>
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:14:38 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>>  Has anyone here ever had success finding stuff while riding?
>>
>
> Do human beings count? I married one I found on a moonlit rail-trail ride
> in 1993. I didn't bother to ask around to see if anyone lost her...
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[RBW] Re: Lost & found anything while riding?

[MartyG]

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:14:38 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
>  Has anyone here ever had success finding stuff while riding?  
>

Do human beings count? I married one I found on a moonlit rail-trail ride 
in 1993. I didn't bother to ask around to see if anyone lost her...

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Salsa Fargo Titanium large

[Bruce Smitham]

I just tried to fit a 27.5 x 2.8 Schwalbe G-One All Rounder. The front
wheel fits inside the steel fork no problem but the rear doesn't have much
space in the upper chain stays. You could easily fit a 2.5 tire in the rear
though.
Bruce

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> Hi Geeter,
>
> I did run with original drops. Fine but I'm a Jones bar guy so...
> I never tried setting up 650 plus. My other fargo ti has thru axle and
> boost rear spacing so I couldn't use those wheels to test. I probably
> should at least set the wheel inside to check. This older Fargo Ti has
> quick release 135mm rear. Good call. Yeah, I love the slack, high stack and
> close reach. Everything I want without going custom.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruce
>
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Geeter  wrote:
>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> Sounds like a great stable for sure.
>>
>> Can the older Fargo clear a 650B plus?  Did you ever run this with dirt
>> drops?  I love the super high stack and low reach of this frame.  Just an
>> awesome endurance bike.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 9:26:42 PM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Geeter,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the compliments. Those Jones are great bikes for sure. My
>>> other 2 Salsa's are a Vaya Ti (57cm) and a Fargo Ti (large) 27.5+. Both set
>>> up 1 x 11 with Jones bars and they are really all I ride. That's why I'm
>>> moving on from this Fargo Ti. Although this older version offers a much
>>> faster "monstercross" feel both with the perfect gearing and light Thunder
>>> Burt tires. You can ride it all day this way. Still it's kind of in the
>>> middle of my other two and was going to keep as a rainy day bike but
>>> decided I can do without. Besides, I'm trying to reduce my personal items
>>> in hopes of renting my house this summer.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Geeter  wrote:
>>>
 Wow awesome.  Josh Kato won the Divide in 15' on one of these.

 Just curious Bruce, what other Ti Salsa rigs do you own?  If I didn't
 have a Jones I would have given you a call already.


 On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 1:06:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> For sales is my Salsa Fargo Titanium size large in excellent
> condition. Less than 1,000 miles. No dents, dings, chips or scratches.
> There is some normal rub marks from cables and some light rubbing on the
> crank arms and tips. $2,000 + shipping CONUS via bikeflights. Prefer
> local pick up in San Diego. I'm just not using this bike and it kind of
> overlaps with my other Salsa Ti bikes. Thanks for looking and happy to
> answer any questions, Bruce (310) 968-6910
>
> Here are the original specs and geometry chart from the Salsa archive
> website: http://salsacycles.com/bikes/archive/2013_fargo_ti
> Below is a spec list with upgrades listed below:
> Salsa Fargo Ti Frameset- large
> CroMoly Fork 1-1 1/8" with mid fork & 3 water bottle mount braze-ons
> on each blade
> SRAM S1400 26/38 double crankset with 175mm arms
> SRAM Front Derailleur X.7
> SRAM Rear Derailleur X.O
> SRAM PG-1070 11/36 cassette
> DT Swiss 350 hubs 32H
> DT Swiss Competition spokes
> Stans NoTubes Arch rims
> KMC X.10 chain
> Cane Creek 40 ZS44 headset
> UPGRADES:
> New Schwalbe Thunder Burt 2.25mm tubeless tires
> Tubeless valves & Orange Sealant
> New XT Ice-Tech centerlock rotors- 180mm front & 160mm rear
> New XT Hydraulic disc brake rotors and brake levers
> New SRAM X9 2 x 10 thumb shifters
> New Jones Loop Handlebars 710mm wide
> New ESI Extra Chunky long grips
> New Brooks Cambium C17 saddle black
> New Thomson Elite seatpost black
> New VP-001 thin gripster pedals black
> New DT Swiss Ratchet skewers
> New Kalloy high rise stem 30 degree X 90mm length
> New shifter cables
> Photos:
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/122325667@N08/Sj0f5t
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Salsa Fargo Titanium large

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Geeter,

I did run with original drops. Fine but I'm a Jones bar guy so...
I never tried setting up 650 plus. My other fargo ti has thru axle and
boost rear spacing so I couldn't use those wheels to test. I probably
should at least set the wheel inside to check. This older Fargo Ti has
quick release 135mm rear. Good call. Yeah, I love the slack, high stack and
close reach. Everything I want without going custom.

Cheers,

Bruce

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Geeter  wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> Sounds like a great stable for sure.
>
> Can the older Fargo clear a 650B plus?  Did you ever run this with dirt
> drops?  I love the super high stack and low reach of this frame.  Just an
> awesome endurance bike.
>
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 9:26:42 PM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey Geeter,
>>
>> Thanks for the compliments. Those Jones are great bikes for sure. My
>> other 2 Salsa's are a Vaya Ti (57cm) and a Fargo Ti (large) 27.5+. Both set
>> up 1 x 11 with Jones bars and they are really all I ride. That's why I'm
>> moving on from this Fargo Ti. Although this older version offers a much
>> faster "monstercross" feel both with the perfect gearing and light Thunder
>> Burt tires. You can ride it all day this way. Still it's kind of in the
>> middle of my other two and was going to keep as a rainy day bike but
>> decided I can do without. Besides, I'm trying to reduce my personal items
>> in hopes of renting my house this summer.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Geeter  wrote:
>>
>>> Wow awesome.  Josh Kato won the Divide in 15' on one of these.
>>>
>>> Just curious Bruce, what other Ti Salsa rigs do you own?  If I didn't
>>> have a Jones I would have given you a call already.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 1:06:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:

 For sales is my Salsa Fargo Titanium size large in excellent condition.
 Less than 1,000 miles. No dents, dings, chips or scratches. There is some
 normal rub marks from cables and some light rubbing on the crank arms and
 tips. $2,000 + shipping CONUS via bikeflights. Prefer local pick up in
 San Diego. I'm just not using this bike and it kind of overlaps with my
 other Salsa Ti bikes. Thanks for looking and happy to answer any questions,
 Bruce (310) 968-6910

 Here are the original specs and geometry chart from the Salsa archive
 website: http://salsacycles.com/bikes/archive/2013_fargo_ti
 Below is a spec list with upgrades listed below:
 Salsa Fargo Ti Frameset- large
 CroMoly Fork 1-1 1/8" with mid fork & 3 water bottle mount braze-ons on
 each blade
 SRAM S1400 26/38 double crankset with 175mm arms
 SRAM Front Derailleur X.7
 SRAM Rear Derailleur X.O
 SRAM PG-1070 11/36 cassette
 DT Swiss 350 hubs 32H
 DT Swiss Competition spokes
 Stans NoTubes Arch rims
 KMC X.10 chain
 Cane Creek 40 ZS44 headset
 UPGRADES:
 New Schwalbe Thunder Burt 2.25mm tubeless tires
 Tubeless valves & Orange Sealant
 New XT Ice-Tech centerlock rotors- 180mm front & 160mm rear
 New XT Hydraulic disc brake rotors and brake levers
 New SRAM X9 2 x 10 thumb shifters
 New Jones Loop Handlebars 710mm wide
 New ESI Extra Chunky long grips
 New Brooks Cambium C17 saddle black
 New Thomson Elite seatpost black
 New VP-001 thin gripster pedals black
 New DT Swiss Ratchet skewers
 New Kalloy high rise stem 30 degree X 90mm length
 New shifter cables
 Photos:
 https://www.flickr.com/gp/122325667@N08/Sj0f5t

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Salsa Fargo Titanium large

[Geeter]

Bruce,

Sounds like a great stable for sure.

Can the older Fargo clear a 650B plus?  Did you ever run this with dirt 
drops?  I love the super high stack and low reach of this frame.  Just an 
awesome endurance bike.

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 9:26:42 PM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> Hey Geeter,
>
> Thanks for the compliments. Those Jones are great bikes for sure. My other 
> 2 Salsa's are a Vaya Ti (57cm) and a Fargo Ti (large) 27.5+. Both set up 1 
> x 11 with Jones bars and they are really all I ride. That's why I'm moving 
> on from this Fargo Ti. Although this older version offers a much faster 
> "monstercross" feel both with the perfect gearing and light Thunder Burt 
> tires. You can ride it all day this way. Still it's kind of in the middle 
> of my other two and was going to keep as a rainy day bike but decided I can 
> do without. Besides, I'm trying to reduce my personal items in hopes of 
> renting my house this summer. 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Geeter  
> wrote:
>
>> Wow awesome.  Josh Kato won the Divide in 15' on one of these.  
>>
>> Just curious Bruce, what other Ti Salsa rigs do you own?  If I didn't 
>> have a Jones I would have given you a call already.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 1:06:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> For sales is my Salsa Fargo Titanium size large in excellent condition. 
>>> Less than 1,000 miles. No dents, dings, chips or scratches. There is some 
>>> normal rub marks from cables and some light rubbing on the crank arms and 
>>> tips. $2,000 + shipping CONUS via bikeflights. Prefer local pick up in 
>>> San Diego. I'm just not using this bike and it kind of overlaps with my 
>>> other Salsa Ti bikes. Thanks for looking and happy to answer any questions, 
>>> Bruce (310) 968-6910
>>>
>>> Here are the original specs and geometry chart from the Salsa archive 
>>> website: http://salsacycles.com/bikes/archive/2013_fargo_ti 
>>> Below is a spec list with upgrades listed below:
>>> Salsa Fargo Ti Frameset- large
>>> CroMoly Fork 1-1 1/8" with mid fork & 3 water bottle mount braze-ons on 
>>> each blade
>>> SRAM S1400 26/38 double crankset with 175mm arms
>>> SRAM Front Derailleur X.7
>>> SRAM Rear Derailleur X.O
>>> SRAM PG-1070 11/36 cassette
>>> DT Swiss 350 hubs 32H
>>> DT Swiss Competition spokes
>>> Stans NoTubes Arch rims
>>> KMC X.10 chain
>>> Cane Creek 40 ZS44 headset
>>> UPGRADES:
>>> New Schwalbe Thunder Burt 2.25mm tubeless tires
>>> Tubeless valves & Orange Sealant
>>> New XT Ice-Tech centerlock rotors- 180mm front & 160mm rear
>>> New XT Hydraulic disc brake rotors and brake levers
>>> New SRAM X9 2 x 10 thumb shifters
>>> New Jones Loop Handlebars 710mm wide
>>> New ESI Extra Chunky long grips
>>> New Brooks Cambium C17 saddle black
>>> New Thomson Elite seatpost black
>>> New VP-001 thin gripster pedals black
>>> New DT Swiss Ratchet skewers
>>> New Kalloy high rise stem 30 degree X 90mm length
>>> New shifter cables
>>> Photos: 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/122325667@N08/Sj0f5t  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Old Man Petersen's House of Ferrous Velocipedes and Vinyl Seat Tube Decals

[Marc Irwin]

I saw this thread pop up yesterday and thought it current.  I sent him a 
request without even considering the date of the thread.  Do you still have 
one Steve?  I'd love to get my hands on one.

Marc

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 6:39:17 AM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:
>
> If you can't get one thru the original maker, message me.  I can send you 
> a spare
> Steve Alkire
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 6:16:48 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if any of these are left? or Norman's email so I can ask 
>> him?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: actual Roadini geometry specs?

[Doug Van Cleve]

My '99 JS Riv Road Std has a so-called "baseball bat" down tube that is
28.6 at the head tube and 31.8 at the BB...

Doug

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> That's interesting, on the 61cm/XL at least, it looks like the top tube
> goes from 28.6 OD at the seat tube to 31.8 OD at the head tube. I can't
> recall seeing that kind of diameter change on other steel bikes.
>
> The clearances look tight for a 33mm tire with a fender.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:17 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 5:16:59 PM UTC-7, eflayer wrote:
>> *I grew up in the 60's. I don't drink kool aid anymore.*
>>
>> Maybe not, but somebody needs a Snickers Bar.
>>
>> [image: Image result for snickers bar hangry][image: Image result for
>> snickers bar hangry][image: Image result for snickers bar hangry]
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 7:26:10 PM UTC-7, eflayer wrote:

 I get GP's orientation to PBH but give the rest of the biking world a
 break. What are the actual dimensions of this frameset?

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Re: [RBW] Re: actual Roadini geometry specs?

[Lester Lammers]

>From the brochure:


2. the same tire clearances —up to a 35mm

with no fender, and easily a 28mm with.


3. roadini’s chainstays are a hair longer than

the roadeo’s (which are already longer than

most)—so it’s more stable, but still zippy.


4. the roadini top tube slopes up more, so it’s

easier to get the bars high. your roadini size is

2-3cm smaller than your roadeo size.

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 10:05:15 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:

> Meant to also point out the actual sizes now listed are all one cm less 
> than what is shown here--the 48 is now 47, the 51 is 50, etc. But I would 
> guess the tire clearance mentioned here is still valid.
>
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 7:01:45 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> It probably will not fit a 33 with fender. It is supposed to have the 
>> same clearances as the Roadeo, 35 with no fender 28 maybe 30 with.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINIpamph03202017.pdf?4027534710908151977
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 6:25:18 PM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
>>> The clearances look tight for a 33mm tire with a fender.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS Rolly Polys

[tdusky]

For Sale Rivendell Roly Polys. One brand new in package $40 shipped, 
priority USPS.
Group of two tires, one has been mounted and barely used the other has a 
few miles enough to wear off the tread pattern in the center of the tire, 
no cuts or punctures $60 shipped priority USPS. Or all 3 $90 Shipped.
Photo links: 
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[RBW] Re: 52cm, 650b-wheeled Quickbeam for sale.

[stevef]

Here's an updated picture link.  https://flic.kr/s/aHsm5qFyeh

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 11:44:13 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote:
>
> Bump, haven't had much luck moving this locally.  Though that option is 
> certainly still available, at this point I'd also entertain offers 
> involving shipping within the continental U.S. 
>
> Thanks, Steve
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2017 at 9:34:55 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote:
>>
>> I bought this new from Riv in 2010  It's from the last/final batch of 
>> Quickbeams they did.  It's silver with blue trim, and - unique to that last 
>> batch - is a 52cm frame built around sidepull brakes and 650b wheels.  It 
>> easily fits Hetres with fenders, and is a great riding bike.  But I find 
>> that singlespeed/fixed riding just isn't much fun for me anymore.  I've 
>> only ridden it once or twice a season the last few years, so I'm thinking I 
>> should let it pass to someone who would enjoy it more.  I'd like to limit 
>> potential buyers to those willing and able to meet up within 100 miles or 
>> so of Lansing, Michigan for now-if nothing comes of it, I will consider 
>> shipping at some point.  Or just keep it.  We'll see.
>>
>> It's not stock-the wheels, brakes, stem and headset are the only original 
>> parts I think.
>>
>> It has a White Industries Dos Enos 19/17 double freewheel on the rear 
>> wheels flip side and 16t fixed cog on the flop side.  It has a Sugino 
>> 110mmBCD double crankset with (as I recall) 40/38-t rings mounted on an, as 
>> I recall, Sugino 103mm spindle bottom bracket.
>>
>> Tires are 1st gen, 38mm PariMotos with little wear, an indicator of how 
>> little I've ridden it lately.
>>
>> Silver, Zero set back post and Selle San Marco Regal saddle.
>>
>> Grey Shimano cable housing and metallic blue Fizik Microtex tape (over 
>> Fizik gel padding) are nice matches for the silver and blue frame.  Bars 
>> are silver 44cm wide Soma HWY1, which feature a short reach and shallow 
>> drop. Brake levers are small-hands-specific Tektro Ergos. 
>>
>> SKS 50mm wide fenders with quick release sockets front and rear.  (having 
>> the QR in back makes it much easier to remove the rear wheel.)
>>
>> Also included, Crane bell, Zefal frame pump and an older but good 
>> condition black Acorn saddle bag.  Pedals of various sorts are also 
>> available, if wanted.
>>
>> I'd like $1,100 but will consider offers.  No trades desired.  
>>
>> I think that's about it-it's very clean, never been crashed or dropped. 
>> Well, it's a little dusty, actually-when I do ride it, it is usually on 
>> mixed dirt/paved road rides.  But there's scarcely a mark on it.  It's also 
>> quite a rare bird-there aren't many out there.
>>
>> A few recent pics at the top of my Flick'r feed:
>>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/with/35483685203/
>>
>> Steve, East Lansing, MI
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: No More Rambouillet Decals @ RBW

[RichS]

Bruce, I'll confirm what Steve said about cut vinyl for graphics. Works 
well. I used them on a Surly Cross Check single speed after I stripped all 
the existing graphics. If you have a sign shop nearby you could give them a 
digital file of whatever you can obtain or create and they could produce 
your graphics.

Since I'm in your neck of the woods (more or less) who is going to handle 
the paint?

All the best,
Richard  

On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 6:19:22 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Great idea Steve.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thursday, November 2, 2017, 5:16:47 AM CDT, islaysteve <
> alki...@verizon.net > wrote: 
>
>
> Bruce, I responded your request or info on the Old Man Petersen decal on 
> that thread.  I have also fashioned a seat tube decal using self-stick 
> vinyl sheet cut into a diamond shape, with one of round RBW logo patches in 
> center.  Looks quite good IMO, and is removable at any time with no damage 
> to the paint.  
> Steve
>
>
> On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 7:06:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> I'm readying my blue Ram for a re-paint (going green this time) and 
> emailed Roman about decals.  He reports none left and they don't have the 
> graphics files.  Actually, that's Okay. I'd be happy with a more minimalist 
> badging anyway. I've asked about an R deat tube decal, but if that is a 
> dead end, does anyone have one of those "Old Man Peterson's Ferrous 
> Velocipedes" decals? My 52cm size only came in blue so the green will be 
> kind of neat, I think.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
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[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

[Andrew Huston]

Someone on Facebook is inquiring about this bike. Pm me and I can try to 
connect you. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[RichS]

Nels, you've got a great looking pair of Rivs there! Love the curve on the 
Roadini fork. Nice pics too!

Regards,
Richard 

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 8:14:53 PM UTC-4, Nels Sorenson wrote:
>
> Thought I'd give an update and short ride impressions of my 51 Roadini.   
> I've got about a hundred miles on the Grilver beauty now and am pleased to 
> be able to ride drop bars again after many years of "comfy" bikes. 
> I took a few short 8 mile rides while building up trying out different 
> iterations of parts.  The bike felt wonderful on those rides rewarding 
> effort with smooth speed.  The subtle ovalizing of the tubing really 
> stiffens up the bottom bracket and this bike is very responsive when 
> climbing and sprinting
> .  
> On the weekend I took a serious 42 mile, 3000'  out and back ride down to 
> the Columbia River in Central Washington where I live.  I was a 
> little sore and bonked after that one. The next day I did a  nice mellow 35 
> mile ride with some snacks.  The ride is smooth and fast and comfy with the 
> long stays.  Very stable even though I have some skinny wheels with 28 mm 
> tires for now.  Looking forward to some wider rims and tires. 
> Here are a couple pics of the Roadini and Clem Jr., my budget Riv beauties.
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
>> If anyone has a 61, I’d love to know the virtual top tube length and the 
>> stack. 
>>
>> Jay
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell on the C Forum

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just because you read it on the internet Steve, doesn't mean it's 100 
percent true. Lotta fake news out there, be careful.

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 3:46:28 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Well, we all know Grant is a larger-than-life figure; here he's on a par 
> with Paul Bunyan. 
>
>
> On 11/01/2017 06:37 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: 
> > I see Joe Starck's sense of humor is intact... 
> > 
>
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Sky Coulter]

Both bikes look fantastic Nels!  And your Roadini is making me wonder how the 
ride would compare w my Romulus.

Sky in new west

> On Nov 1, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Nels Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> Thought I'd give an update and short ride impressions of my 51 Roadini.  
> I've got about a hundred miles on the Grilver beauty now and am pleased to be 
> able to ride drop bars again after many years of "comfy" bikes. 
> I took a few short 8 mile rides while building up trying out different 
> iterations of parts.  The bike felt wonderful on those rides rewarding effort 
> with smooth speed.  The subtle ovalizing of the tubing really stiffens up the 
> bottom bracket and this bike is very responsive when climbing and sprinting
> . 
> On the weekend I took a serious 42 mile, 3000'  out and back ride down to the 
> Columbia River in Central Washington where I live.  I was a little sore and 
> bonked after that one. The next day I did a  nice mellow 35 mile ride with 
> some snacks.  The ride is smooth and fast and comfy with the long stays.  
> Very stable even though I have some skinny wheels with 28 mm tires for now.  
> Looking forward to some wider rims and tires. 
> Here are a couple pics of the Roadini and Clem Jr., my budget Riv beauties.
> 
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
>> If anyone has a 61, I’d love to know the virtual top tube length and the 
>> stack. 
>> 
>> Jay
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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Belle Ding Ding

[Steve Butcher]

Happy thoughts and images upon which to begin the day!   Thanks, Leah!

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 12:08:30 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I read the list all the time but haven't said much as of late - but I mean 
> to! I recently got back from Ireland and I even took photos of interesting 
> bikes as seen on the streets there - while my husband rolled his eyes in 
> the background - because I knew you'd care (my ONLY biking friends are on 
> this list).
>
> I've been out here, riding the wheels off TBBITW (The Best Bike in the 
> World, if you don't know) and loving it. School is in full swing and we 
> remain the only members of the Bicycle Bus. I've somehow managed to add a 
> VIOLIN to the already obnoxious load on TBBITW, and still make it up Death 
> Hill. I put my pride aside last month and got my older son a rack and Wald 
> from Rivendell so he can at least carry his own laptop and jacket. Even 
> just that much off my bike makes a difference.  More on that later. 
>
> I have several photos to share but I read somewhere that it is frowned 
> upon to put them directly onto the list email. With LTE and high speed 
> internet, is this still the rule? I could be obedient and use a Flickr 
> link, but it won't be nearly as fun without words. Someone on here knows 
> the solution. 
> Thanks!
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Bicycle Belle Ding Ding

[islaysteve]

Leah, Welcome back!  It's so good to see you here again.  Always a pleasure 
to read your posts and enjoy your photos.  Cheers
Steve

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 1:49:18 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Hi, All! Thanks for your kind words. Let the barrage of photos begin!
>
> First off, it’s me, Leah, formerly LeahFoy. I decided to change my name to 
> match my Instagram @bicyclebelledingding. Same person riding the same bike, 
> but new (better) name.
>
> I’ve really wanted to write this post for a long time because it has been 
> a year for the books. I’ve had so many great opportunities to see the world 
> in 2017, and best of all, I often got to bring my bike. Though I’ve been 
> living in exile for 13 years in the desert, North Dakota (heretofore 
> referred to as God’s Country) will always be home. I married a Minnesota 
> boy, so that’s home, too (Diet God’s Country?). I make a pilgrimage up 
> there every summer to see our families, and I drive so that I can bring our 
> bikes. I mapped out our route this year to indulge in all manner of scenic 
> glory. We experienced hot springs and geysers, and bison roaming free. We 
> marveled at the serenity we found in lake country and shored up our 
> knowledge of American history at several national parks and national 
> monuments. We had our breath taken away by waterfalls, breathed in cold 
> mountain air and got nudged into a snowball fight with an elderly woman who 
> started it. I had the good fortune to get to set my feet on foreign soil in 
> both England and Ireland, and savor the sights and history there. It has 
> been a blessed year. I’ll include a few photos of our trips first (sans 
> bikes) and finish strong with bike photos.
>
>
>
>
> One does not leave Woman’s Best Friend in the the car. Undignified as it 
> was, he consented to being stuffed in my pack. Happiness for him is 
> wherever I am, which is how he can be convinced.
>
> Hot springs. I can’t believe these are real.
>
> The Grand Tetons. 
>
>
> There was even time to ride our bikes along the river path in Idaho Falls!
>
> Now, back to bikes. Every summer I bring our bikes to my mother-in-law’s 
> lake home. There are wonderful trails to ride, and someday, when the kids 
> are older, I hope to take the famous Heartland Trail. For now, we stick to 
> the trails in town. Pictured here is my Betty Foy, my MIL’s Clementine, and 
> my husband’s Clem. My MIL has very little bike experience, but she wanted a 
> Clementine because she knew how I loved my Betty. The step-through frame is 
> absolutely perfect for her, and the upright bars are dreamy. She has no 
> idea how to use her gears, so she just stays in the same gear and rides 
> blithely around town. She tells me she loves her bike because it’s so 
> comfortable, and it makes me so happy. 
>
> This is Minnesota in summer. It can’t be beat. Yes, those are socks I’m 
> wearing with Keens in this photo. I was forced and I blame my husband. “If 
> you’re coming for a ride I’m leaving now!” he said. I grabbed the nearest 
> pair of shoes and ran for my bike. Not my best look, but the bike is 
> pretty! Also, note the patch I had stitched onto my Saddlesack. Is that the 
> cutest or what? A blue bike for my blue bike.
>
>
> This is God’s Country in summer. It can be beat, but only by Minnesota. My 
> bike looks naked in this photo; there are no rules about streaking through 
> God’s Country!
>
> After a lovely summer, it was back to school and my Bicycle Bus. Sadly, 
> the only members of the Bicycle Bus are my two sons and me. Oddly, the 
> residents of this canyon find biking to school to be admirable, and they 
> will often see me on campus or roll down their windows on the street and 
> say so. I wish they would join me, but no takers yet. 
>
> The promised lockers at the middle school never materialized, so here I am 
> with the laptop, largest rolling backpack L.L. Bean makes, the little guy’s 
> backpack, and - new for this year - a violin. The orchestra teacher and I 
> are friends and I told her, “If you assign him the cello, you and I are 
> DONE.” We threw our heads back and laughed imagining me on Death Hill with 
> a cello in tow. This photo was the inspiration for me to create the hashtag 
> on Instagram #doesthisbikemakemelookhomeless? 
>
> My bike is outfitted with the Nitto Big Front Rack and huge Wald basket, 
> and on the back is the Nitto Big Back Rack with a pair of the old-fashioned 
> Backabike bags. On the bars is a Multisack for my keys, pepper spray and 
> iPhone. Bag matching is for sissies.
>
> I mean, I even have the musical instrument. I lack only a bucket for the 
> donations. 
>
> Well, after some miserable uphill rides with all that stuff, I got my son 
> a rack and Wald basket. You would not believe it, but just being able to 
> unload his jacket and laptop makes a difference. If anyone needs a great 
> kids’ bike, I recommend this Hotrock. His best friend (who was lots taller 
> than 

Re: [RBW] Re: No More Rambouillet Decals @ RBW

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 Great idea Steve.
Thanks
On Thursday, November 2, 2017, 5:16:47 AM CDT, islaysteve 
 wrote:  
 
 Bruce, I responded your request or info on the Old Man Petersen decal on that 
thread.  I have also fashioned a seat tube decal using self-stick vinyl sheet 
cut into a diamond shape, with one of round RBW logo patches in center.  Looks 
quite good IMO, and is removable at any time with no damage to the paint.  
Steve


On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 7:06:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
I'm readying my blue Ram for a re-paint (going green this time) and emailed 
Roman about decals.  He reports none left and they don't have the graphics 
files.  Actually, that's Okay. I'd be happy with a more minimalist badging 
anyway. I've asked about an R deat tube decal, but if that is a dead end, does 
anyone have one of those "Old Man Peterson's Ferrous Velocipedes" decals? My 
52cm size only came in blue so the green will be kind of neat, I think.
Thanks

Bruce





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[RBW] Re: No More Rambouillet Decals @ RBW

[islaysteve]

Bruce, I responded your request or info on the Old Man Petersen decal on 
that thread.  I have also fashioned a seat tube decal using self-stick 
vinyl sheet cut into a diamond shape, with one of round RBW logo patches in 
center.  Looks quite good IMO, and is removable at any time with no damage 
to the paint.  
Steve


On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 7:06:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> I'm readying my blue Ram for a re-paint (going green this time) and 
> emailed Roman about decals.  He reports none left and they don't have the 
> graphics files.  Actually, that's Okay. I'd be happy with a more minimalist 
> badging anyway. I've asked about an R deat tube decal, but if that is a 
> dead end, does anyone have one of those "Old Man Peterson's Ferrous 
> Velocipedes" decals? My 52cm size only came in blue so the green will be 
> kind of neat, I think.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
>

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[RBW] Re: No More Rambouillet Decals @ RBW

[Fullylugged]

Thanks for the suggestions everyone.  Right now, I'm leaning to just something 
on the seat tube. I've asked Roman at Riv about that, and will check with 
Norman Bone on his decal. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[William R.]

Very nice Nels. The scrub is a great backdrop. Central Washington is so 
different. It looks like the high plains or desert! Enjoy your Rivs, I sure am 
enjoying mine!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Lost & found anything while riding?

[KenP]

I left my keys in the lock one time and lost them for ever. So, I switched 
to a combination lock.  On the other hand, when I dropped pants straps and 
gloves I found them on the trail the next day.   Now I wonder if I see 
someone eles' things on the trail, I leave them hoping they find it. 

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 3:14:38 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I'm all but positive I lost all of my keys on my way to work yesterday. 
>  Has anyone here ever had success finding stuff you've lost while riding? 
>  I already posted in the local CL bicycles section and checked the 
> chainlink forum.

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Ian A]

+1. The Roadini looks super sharp, and that butterscotch colour on the Clem is 
really nice.

A good brace of bicycles. 

IanA

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