[RBW] Signing off

[Joe Bernard]

It's time, kids. That round in the Lovely Bike thread tells me I need to hush 
for a while. I love the Riv company and love chatting with kindred folks about 
them, but I've officially talked too much. Maybe I'll catch up to y'all next 
summer, but for the moment I've said enough. Happy New Year and I'll see you 
'round the bend. Tootles!

Joe Bernard
Novato CA.

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[RBW] Re: It looked like just a little stick...

[Takashi]

I once had the rear derailer hanger bent by a tree branch.
A local frame builder bent it back and it's rideable again.

I hope the link works correctly:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/hzLhXdLnLak/PWZWM1gbBQAJ;context-place=topic/rbw-owners-bunch/cDwjuCbzKxc

Good luck, Jim!

Takashi

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[RBW] Lyli Herse, 1928 - 2018

[William R.]

So sorry to hear this news Jan. What a life Lyli Herse lived. I’m so glad that 
you were able to meet her, ride with her and share the incredible Herse story. 
That the Herse brand continues with such strong stewardship is heartening. 
Adieu Lyli Herse.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: WTB - IRD Stem shifter mount

[MartyG]

Found one, thanks to a member here. 

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 4:10:34 PM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
>
> Riv is out of stock. Anyone have one they tried and didn't like, or didn't 
> get around to installing? Thanks.
>
> Marty
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[RBW] Lyli Herse, 1928 - 2018

[Deacon Patrick]

What a beautiful, wonderful, bold, life Lyli lived! Thank you, Jan, for giving 
me a wee glimpse into it, and her continuation of her father’s legacy. May we 
all crank up the 14% grades of our lives so easily, let alone when we’re 85! 
Rest in peace, Lyli.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: FS 58 Simple One F/F/HS/BB $550 + shipping

[Stephen D]

Price dropped to $475 + shipping.

On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 3:55:38 PM UTC-5, Stephen D wrote:
>
> I'm selling a 58 Simple One which I bought off this list in June for my 
> wife to build up, but never did the build. We're getting ready for a move 
> and are paring down our bikes, parts, and frames.
>
> The frame has no dents or damage to the metal, but it does have a lot of 
> chips and dings in the paint. The bottom bracket is smooth, but the headset 
> feels a little different than the headsets we've had on bikes we've built 
> up - there's a definite forward "position" that the headset clicks into -- 
> it isn't just an uninterrupted 360 degree turn like it is on other 
> headsets. Bottom line -- it is possible the headset may need to be serviced 
> or replaced, but I don't have the expertise to say definitively. It might 
> be ok.
>
> The frame is located in Baltimore. The price does not include shipping 
> from Baltimore, which generally runs about $50 to ship to the west coast 
> via Bike Flights. We'll verify the precise cost of shipping before adding 
> the amount, however.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stephendm/albums/72157664154523928
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Chain width

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! Joe! You will get old. You will get tired! But let that ne’r be cause for 
(Gasp! Horror! Da da DA!) ... returning to gears! Ride till you can’t. Walk 
till you can. With abandon! Grin. Arr!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Gravel and Grind in Frederick MD is closing

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Yeah I am on their mailing list and got that. I’m bummed that such a neat place 
is going out of business but it appears to be personal decisions on the owners 
part of what they want to do next.  They carried all the types of things that 
appeal to me.  Except for the coffee part. I’m a tea drinker 

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[RBW] Re: FS 58 Simple One F/F/HS/BB $550 + shipping

[Stephen D]

Posted additional pictures in the Flickr album above to show close ups of 
chips in the paint. Don't hesitate to let me know if you would like 
additional close-ups or videos or whatever. 

Additionally, I am in Baltimore if anyone wants to look at it locally. 

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-5, Stephen D wrote:
>
> Price dropped to $475 + shipping.
>
> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 3:55:38 PM UTC-5, Stephen D wrote:
>>
>> I'm selling a 58 Simple One which I bought off this list in June for my 
>> wife to build up, but never did the build. We're getting ready for a move 
>> and are paring down our bikes, parts, and frames.
>>
>> The frame has no dents or damage to the metal, but it does have a lot of 
>> chips and dings in the paint. The bottom bracket is smooth, but the headset 
>> feels a little different than the headsets we've had on bikes we've built 
>> up - there's a definite forward "position" that the headset clicks into -- 
>> it isn't just an uninterrupted 360 degree turn like it is on other 
>> headsets. Bottom line -- it is possible the headset may need to be serviced 
>> or replaced, but I don't have the expertise to say definitively. It might 
>> be ok.
>>
>> The frame is located in Baltimore. The price does not include shipping 
>> from Baltimore, which generally runs about $50 to ship to the west coast 
>> via Bike Flights. We'll verify the precise cost of shipping before adding 
>> the amount, however.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stephendm/albums/72157664154523928
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: It looked like just a little stick...

[R Shannon]

Jim, how about the Grilver silver? Fortunately you can see it in person.

Best,
Richard

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:07 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 6:15:57 PM UTC-8, RichS wrote:
>>
>>
>> I’ll be curious to know if the repair will require bending the hanger
>> back to it’s original position or the more invasive option of replacing the
>> hanger with a new one.
>>
>> I took the frame to RBW today. They think it can be bent back but we're
> waiting for Mark to get back from vacation next week to render his opinion.
> Vince said that Manny had done it worse (of course), and that they rebent
> his. I've decided to go ahead and paint it to give the metal better
> protection. There was a bit more rust than I thought once I dismantled the
> bike. I'll probably try to find a color that looks like the steel, though
> I'm open to suggestions if anyone wants to chime in.
>
> happy trails!
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
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[RBW] Re: Happily Gratefully Riding My Hunqapillar Again

[RichS]

Takashi,

Congratulations on getting your Hunq back on the road again. Thanks for 
sharing your story and the pics. What outstanding customer service from 
Riv, Blue Lug and Rew10works!

Best,
Richard

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 12:00:18 PM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
> SHORT version:
> The rear dropout of my Hunqapillar was bent and became unrideable for a 
> while, but now it's repaired, and I am able to ride the bike again. Yay!
>
> LONG version:
> So my hunqapillar frame was damaged when I was riding in dark and the rear 
> wheel caught a tree branch. The rear end was bent, and the bike was 
> unrideable.
> I had the frame inspected by a frame builder, who said that it cannot be 
> bent back since the dropout is too much damaged, espacially threads of 
> derailleur hanger.
> So I asked Brian at Rivendell if I can get a replacement dropout, and 
> Brian kindly sent me one.
> I asked the above-mentioned builder to re-braze the dropout, but the 
> builder said it cannot be, for some technical reason. (The builder 
> explained the reason but I could not understand it very well.)
>
> Then I brought the frame to Blue Lug, a Riv dealer bike shop in Tokyo.
> Blue Lug staff brought it to Rew10works, a frame builder near the shop.
> The builder at Rew10works had a different opinion from the first builder, 
> and said that it would be better to try bending back the dropout first 
> (though it might not be as strong as new), rather than going through 
> re-brazing and re-painting.
> Turned out that the replacement dropout was not necessary, but I will keep 
> it, just in case anything goes wrong.
>
> So the frame was restored with less time and money than I have expected, 
> and I had the bike rebuilt at Blue Lug.
> I rode it on last Sunday, and the bike rode flawlessly both on paved and 
> bumpy roads.
>
> Big THANK YOU to great people at Blue Lug , Rew10works 
> , and Rivendell!
>
> Pictures prove that Hunqapillar has awakened from a two-month dormancy:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/albums/72157660316343503/
>
>
> Takashi
>
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Re: [RBW] Chain width

[RichS]

Bill, amen to your suggestion on the Ace Hardware caliper. Like you, I have 
one and it has been indispensable.

Joe, head on over to your local Ace today.

Regards,
Richard

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 4:11:38 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Having confirmed that you don't have the tools to do this measurement, I 
> recommend you treat yourself to a very very cheap vernier caliper.  One 
> like this would be just fine:
>
> Link to Ace Hardware Cheapo Caliper 
> 
>
> You'll use it a thousand times.  Promise.  You are a budding metrologist
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 12:56:20 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Correct! Asking for measurements I can get with my own tool would 
>> possibly be insane, my good man. But I think I've solved the problem. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lyli Herse, 1928 - 2018

[RichS]

Rest in peace Lyli. You were remarkable and will forever remain in our 
thoughts. Jan, thank you for sharing her story and adventures with us.

Best regards,
Richard

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 8:12:34 PM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> We had planned to celebrate Lyli Herse's 90th birthday today, but instead, 
> we have to announce the passing of the 8-times French champion and daughter 
> of the famous builder René Herse. But we'll celebrate her anyhow, because 
> she continues to inspire us!
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/01/05/happy-90th-birthday-lyli-herse/
>
> Jan Heine
> Founder
> Compass Cycles
> Seattle, WA, USA
>

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[RBW] Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[Cyclofiend Jim]

The tenets of this group have not changed. It's right there in the top line 
- "...a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts."

I never expected that everyone would agree with everyone else in every 
post. The world would truly be a much more boring place if that were the 
case. 

But excessive umbrage and accusations and generally going toe-to-toe in 
recent threads which should have been innocuous makes me a bit concerned. 
Hopefully, this was just an early example of the February crankiness that 
pops up on this list when folks have not gotten out to ride enough. 

There are a few things in those escalating threads which catch my 
attention. 

One is a statement which described a post as hastily made.  There's not a 
thing so time-dependent on this group that anyone needs to shoehorn an 
immediate response between the business of the day. If someone insults you, 
let it stand. The previous conversational contributions made to this group 
present enough of a body of evidence as to whether any insult is valid or 
ludicrous. We all have a sense of the personalities behind the comments, 
especially if we've been involved in this list for any length of time. The 
need to respond immediately does not exist here. There are better venues 
for that. If you find yourself hammering out (or tapping out) (or dictating 
to a transcription bot) a quick response, maybe you don't need to post it. 

Because words are tough. 

We see it play out time and time again. All we get are the words. No body 
language or tone. No micro musculature movement on the face to defuse or 
contextualize the words. An innocuous post taken the wrong way. Something 
triggers someone and suddenly the conversation is in a death spiral towards 
"So's yer old man!"

I think we're better than that.

Because we're human, that isn't always the case. 

So, let's give one another the opportunity to be wrong, hold an opinion we 
don't agree with, miss the point entirely or explore an idea clumsily. If 
you are the smartest person in the room, let the rest of us catch up 
occasionally. Pretend it's a group ride where no one gets dropped.

There were also a few things in the threads which heartened me.  

Group members stepped in to diffuse the situation, putting themselves in 
the line of fire to let everyone sit back down and enjoy the music. Thank 
you. 

That said, what now?

Will we continue to get teased by the popular social venues into being the 
first responder? Having an answer rather than considering a thoughtful 
response? Will this group become a value-added buy/sell/trade sheet? Will 
we continue to find commonality or seek to contrast only our differences? 
Will Timmy hang on to the cracking tree branch over the chasm while Lassie 
finds the ranger? Wait. Sorry. Ignore that last line.

My point, as always, is that the quality of this group is up to us. Let's 
move forward with a commitment to that idea.

Thanks to everyone for their ongoing contributions to this group. 

- Jim

Jim Edgar / rbw group admin

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[RBW] Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[John G.]

The good news: I got my Atlantis back! I won't get into the details, but it 
had to go to two different framebuilders to get realigned. It's riding 
great now.

The bad news: it came back with a dozen or so new chips in the paint. I'm 
not interested in pointing fingers: the frame went between the shop and the 
two framebuilders, and it could've happened anywhere (or everywhere). I'm a 
little bummed--I'd like all beausage on the frame to come from my own 
personal use.

I'll probably get some touch up paint from Waterford, but does anyone have 
some Family Secret rust prevention tips in the meantime? I'm the slushy and 
salty NYC area, and I STILL haven't put fenders on the bike. 

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[RBW] Long pull levers slipping around

[Gabriel Hargrove]

I'm running Paul Motolites on my Atlantis, as well as, Soma Portola bars 
and I am trying to find a compatible long pull aero lever that will stay 
put in place! Because of the design of the Tektro RL520 I am finding it 
near impossible to clamp on the Portola bars in more than a single 
position. The Tektros will slide and settle in one position only- the hook 
of the bend. Any other position, despite being torqued to spec, will easily 
push out of place. Trying to over torque is beginning to crack the body of 
the lever. 

The variety of current drop bar long pull levers (preferably aero) on the 
market seem limited. The Cane Creek Drop V appears to be my only other 
choice if I wish to continue running the Motolites. Any vintage model 
levers (I realize these might be non aero) that y'all recommend?

Other notes: Running Paul Cross levers on the tops, hence preference for 
aero levers. 

Regards,

Gabriel

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[RBW] Long pull levers slipping around

[drew]

I have motolites with portolas and the tektro levers. I haven’t had any 
slipping, as far as I can tell. 
One thing I did notice is that the clamp bolt is way back in there and unless 
you have a super long Allen wrench, it’s hard to get any torque to really 
tighten it down. I think I used a mini cheater bar to extend the the short side 
of the Allen wrench a couple of inches. 

If it’s not that, You could always take a clamp off of a lever you like and use 
that in the tektro instead of the  clamp it came withassuming the bolt 
threading is the same. 

And finally, I think cane creek is tektro rebranded. There is a dia-compe long 
pull aero model out there, I believe. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: It looked like just a little stick...

[Ray Varella]

I bent a derailer hanger years ago. The guy that built the frame straightened 
it. 
He used a torch to heat it before bending. 
He said since the dropout was forged, it might crack if you tried setting it 
cold. 

YMMV
Ray 
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: Gravel and Grind in Frederick MD is closing

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've made a few internet purchases from them and their website is as 
entertaining as RBW's.   I hope they are successful in whatever direction 
they've decided to go.  We need more unique, fiercely independent shops 
like G&G.   




On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 11:41:41 AM UTC-6, johnb wrote:
>
> https://gravelandgrind.com/gravel-grind-movin/
>
> Good coffee and a great bike shop. 
>

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[RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[tc]

For you Quickbeam-er/SimpleOne-ers out there, I'd love to hear your 
recommendations for handlebars that work for you, and why.  Also, what stem 
length and height you've settled on.  I'm gathering that a bar that's a tad 
wider than normal works well to help with leverage when out of the saddle.

My use will be 90% on roads or greenways.  10% gravel or packed paths.  No 
MTB trails.

Thanks,
Tom

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[RBW] Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Bruce d]

I've had good success getting touchup paint at a good auto supply store.  They 
can match also any color, and they mix it on the spot.  I've had it done for 
several older steel frames and been very satisfied.  Not expensive either.

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

I don't own a QB or SO, but I do have 3 ss-ers.

I find that I want the same bars, or close to the same bars, on my dirt
road bikes as on my pavement bikes, and I've tried all sorts of bars but
come back to my favorite, the Maes Parallel, which I have on my 2 Riv Roads
(38 cm) as well as on the dirt road Matthews -- whopping 42 cm wide, for
control in sandy soil; though I find when I ride my Rivs in the same
places, it's far less the narrow bar that makes control awkward as the ~28
mm tires that simply don't track well if the sand is deeper than 1".

My 3d ss-er has the wide (for me) original edition Moustache bar, but
that's because it's a folder, and I want something compact and as close to
2 dimensional as possible that at least distantly resembles a drop bar.

Of course, if you are riding singletrack, then a wider bar is better --
trying technical singletrack on my 42 cm B 135'd Fargo was rather
anxiety-making! But if you are riding flattish, or at least straightish,
dirt and gravel, and the surfaces are firm, I don't see why you'd need a
wider bar ...?

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:09 AM, tc  wrote:

> For you Quickbeam-er/SimpleOne-ers out there, I'd love to hear your
> recommendations for handlebars that work for you, and why.  Also, what stem
> length and height you've settled on.  I'm gathering that a bar that's a tad
> wider than normal works well to help with leverage when out of the saddle.
>
> My use will be 90% on roads or greenways.  10% gravel or packed paths.  No
> MTB trails.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Julian Westerhout]

For touch ups Testors #2135 model paint (supposedly the color of interior 
of Soviet submarines) is a ery good match for the Atlantis green. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 



On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 10:53:06 AM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> The good news: I got my Atlantis back! I won't get into the details, but 
> it had to go to two different framebuilders to get realigned. It's riding 
> great now.
>
> The bad news: it came back with a dozen or so new chips in the paint. I'm 
> not interested in pointing fingers: the frame went between the shop and the 
> two framebuilders, and it could've happened anywhere (or everywhere). I'm a 
> little bummed--I'd like all beausage on the frame to come from my own 
> personal use.
>
> I'll probably get some touch up paint from Waterford, but does anyone have 
> some Family Secret rust prevention tips in the meantime? I'm the slushy and 
> salty NYC area, and I STILL haven't put fenders on the bike. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, I get it -- you mean wider for grunt while standing, not wider for
control. So sorry!

But I have an opinion about that, too! Yes, wider is better, up to a point;
I love the Moustache bar when I stand and climb; but I dislike it for most
other purposes. But as a largely fixed gear rider for 20 years, I find that
my 38s feel just fine when I stand, and I stand a lot, and I like standing
and climbing. (BTW, lest you think I ride a 38 cm c-c frame, the best
fitting flat tt frame I owned was 60 cm c-c. My Rivs with slightly sloping
tts are 57 and 58, c-c.) I'd not choose a ss bar just for comfort when
standing to climb. Really, I don't even think about bar width when I'm out
of the saddle on my Rivs; but I do like the narrowish width when I'm
cruising along with elbows bent and hands are on the ramps or hoods.

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I don't own a QB or SO, but I do have 3 ss-ers.
>
> I find that I want the same bars, or close to the same bars, on my dirt
> road bikes as on my pavement bikes, and I've tried all sorts of bars but
> come back to my favorite, the Maes Parallel, which I have on my 2 Riv Roads
> (38 cm) as well as on the dirt road Matthews -- whopping 42 cm wide, for
> control in sandy soil; though I find when I ride my Rivs in the same
> places, it's far less the narrow bar that makes control awkward as the ~28
> mm tires that simply don't track well if the sand is deeper than 1".
>
> My 3d ss-er has the wide (for me) original edition Moustache bar, but
> that's because it's a folder, and I want something compact and as close to
> 2 dimensional as possible that at least distantly resembles a drop bar.
>
> Of course, if you are riding singletrack, then a wider bar is better --
> trying technical singletrack on my 42 cm B 135'd Fargo was rather
> anxiety-making! But if you are riding flattish, or at least straightish,
> dirt and gravel, and the surfaces are firm, I don't see why you'd need a
> wider bar ...?
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:09 AM, tc  wrote:
>
>> For you Quickbeam-er/SimpleOne-ers out there, I'd love to hear your
>> recommendations for handlebars that work for you, and why.  Also, what stem
>> length and height you've settled on.  I'm gathering that a bar that's a tad
>> wider than normal works well to help with leverage when out of the saddle.
>>
>> My use will be 90% on roads or greenways.  10% gravel or packed paths.
>> No MTB trails.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

Bruce: What sort of sample do they need? When I get wall paint to match my
slightly darkened (after 4 years) off white interior walls, they tell me to
bring in a paint sample about 1" square, which I chisel off an
inconspicuous corner. What do you do for bike paint?

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 10:57 AM, Bruce d  wrote:

> I've had good success getting touchup paint at a good auto supply store.
> They can match also any color, and they mix it on the spot.  I've had it
> done for several older steel frames and been very satisfied.  Not expensive
> either.
>
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[RBW] Re: Gravel and Grind in Frederick MD is closing

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I see they have lots of blue. I bought a set of blue back o bike bags, and 
they are awesome. I know, I stump for these b.o.b. bags every chance I get, 
but this is about the blue--it is a happy bluebird blue, and it will make 
your carrying chores at least 18% cheerier! But don't let the happy fool 
ya, the blue is even tougher than the grey or brown (though I hear olive 
gives it a run for the money).

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 10:42:36 AM UTC-8, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> We stopped by there for the first time two days ago on a drive from MD to 
> IL -- a day after I received the closing email. It is a really neat place 
> and the folks we talked to were great -- it's the sort of shop I only wish 
> was near to me. Bought a couple of t-shirts and some coffee while I was 
> there. 
>
> Of note, they have a very large section of Sackville bags in stock, many 
> that are out of stock at Riv. I've attached a photo that shows perhaps 30% 
> of the bag stock. If you're looking for a bag and Riv doesn't have it, give 
> them a call. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 11:41:41 AM UTC-6, johnb wrote:
>>
>> https://gravelandgrind.com/gravel-grind-movin/
>>
>> Good coffee and a great bike shop. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[mikel66...@juno.com]

i have a small bottle of Model Master #2135 Atlantis touch up paint. should be 
available commercially or ebay mike goldmanrhode island

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For the meantime, if that means not much time, you can put on some wax. Or 
clear nail polish, but you'll want to steel wool that down a bit before 
final touch up if it's glossy. Even if you match the color, the other issue 
is depth--put some primer and or a few coats of the touch up so that it 
comes out level. The other issue with factory touch up, as opposed to 
mixing your own or getting the auto paint custom mixed is that uv rays will 
likely have changed the color enough to notice the newer paint in contrast. 
I don't usually touch up my bikes, but have done lots of other metal and 
wood touch up. And I am about to embark on bike touch up myself. Good luck!

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> The good news: I got my Atlantis back! I won't get into the details, but 
> it had to go to two different framebuilders to get realigned. It's riding 
> great now.
>
> The bad news: it came back with a dozen or so new chips in the paint. I'm 
> not interested in pointing fingers: the frame went between the shop and the 
> two framebuilders, and it could've happened anywhere (or everywhere). I'm a 
> little bummed--I'd like all beausage on the frame to come from my own 
> personal use.
>
> I'll probably get some touch up paint from Waterford, but does anyone have 
> some Family Secret rust prevention tips in the meantime? I'm the slushy and 
> salty NYC area, and I STILL haven't put fenders on the bike. 
>

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[RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

['Hudson Doerge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I love albastache bars on my SO. Perfect for a ss all rounder setup. Wide 
enough for good leverage when climbing out of the saddle, comfy, but still 
gives you flexibility to get a little lower when you’re working harder. Highly 
recommended. Running 100mm technomic. Not sure the height, but bars are at or 
just above saddle height. 

Hudson in ATX

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Eric Daume]

It's not particular Rivish, but I really like the Salsa Cowbell on my BMC
Monstercross. Wide, flared, but still comfortable on the hoods. It's a
great all around bar.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:09 PM, tc  wrote:

> For you Quickbeam-er/SimpleOne-ers out there, I'd love to hear your
> recommendations for handlebars that work for you, and why.  Also, what stem
> length and height you've settled on.  I'm gathering that a bar that's a tad
> wider than normal works well to help with leverage when out of the saddle.
>
> My use will be 90% on roads or greenways.  10% gravel or packed paths.  No
> MTB trails.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Jim M.]

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:34:04 AM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> It's not particular Rivish, but I really like the Salsa Cowbell on my BMC 
> Monstercross. Wide, flared, but still comfortable on the hoods. It's a 
> great all around bar.
>
> I like the Cowbell a lot too and ran them on my QB. Enough drop for long 
downhill tucks, with plenty of leverage for uphill grunts.

jim m
walnut creek, ca 

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[RBW] Re: Happily Gratefully Riding My Hunqapillar Again

[Jim M.]

I'm happy your Hunq is back on the road. Looks very similar to my Bombadil 
problem. 

I really enjoy your pictures of riding in Japan. I left Japan in 1960 but 
hope to get back soon. 

jim m 
walnut creek ca

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 9:00:18 AM UTC-8, Takashi wrote:
>
> SHORT version:
> The rear dropout of my Hunqapillar was bent and became unrideable for a 
> while, but now it's repaired, and I am able to ride the bike again. Yay!
>
> LONG version:
> So my hunqapillar frame was damaged when I was riding in dark and the rear 
> wheel caught a tree branch. The rear end was bent, and the bike was 
> unrideable.
> I had the frame inspected by a frame builder, who said that it cannot be 
> bent back since the dropout is too much damaged, espacially threads of 
> derailleur hanger.
> So I asked Brian at Rivendell if I can get a replacement dropout, and 
> Brian kindly sent me one.
> I asked the above-mentioned builder to re-braze the dropout, but the 
> builder said it cannot be, for some technical reason. (The builder 
> explained the reason but I could not understand it very well.)
>
> Then I brought the frame to Blue Lug, a Riv dealer bike shop in Tokyo.
> Blue Lug staff brought it to Rew10works, a frame builder near the shop.
> The builder at Rew10works had a different opinion from the first builder, 
> and said that it would be better to try bending back the dropout first 
> (though it might not be as strong as new), rather than going through 
> re-brazing and re-painting.
> Turned out that the replacement dropout was not necessary, but I will keep 
> it, just in case anything goes wrong.
>
> So the frame was restored with less time and money than I have expected, 
> and I had the bike rebuilt at Blue Lug.
> I rode it on last Sunday, and the bike rode flawlessly both on paved and 
> bumpy roads.
>
> Big THANK YOU to great people at Blue Lug , Rew10works 
> , and Rivendell!
>
> Pictures prove that Hunqapillar has awakened from a two-month dormancy:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/albums/72157660316343503/
>
>
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Christopher Murray]

I have a pair of Nitto Dove bars on my SS that work well. They were a less 
expensive, non-bar end compatible option from Riv. I think Nitto calls them the 
North Road. I have an extra set and a Tallux stem if you are interested. The 
bars and stem are together, have some cloth tape, but have never been used 
(though they have been inserted). Let me know if you are interested. I’m sure 
we can work something out.

Cheers,
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Birdman]

I'm on my second Quickbeam and although I have tried a few upright bars, I 
always come back to the wide Noodles. I love the comfortable, flat ramps 
and multiple hand positions.  I *especially* like the leverage I get when 
climbing out of the saddle with hands on the hoods, which I find I do quite 
often on SS bikes.  Whenever I switched to more upright bars, I immediately 
missed that sense of leverage/comfort when standing up to climb. 

Best,

Isaac

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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[John A. Bennett]

*Many thanks to Jim Edgar!*

As I believe I mentioned here once before: When this group was first 
started by Rivendell, Grant and I tried to moderate it, but we fairly 
quickly figured out that it was not only too time-consuming to do it well, 
but that it was also putting us in the difficult position of playing 
policemen with our customers. Not good. 

We were ready to close it down when Jim stepped in and said that he'd like 
to try his hand. We couldn't have asked for a better person to take it on. 

He continues to steer the middle course, even when the waters get choppy. 

Much appreciated, Jim.

John (Rivendell, 2000-2012; Rivelo, 2015- Present)



On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:52:37 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> The tenets of this group have not changed. It's right there in the top 
> line - "...a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts."
>
> I never expected that everyone would agree with everyone else in every 
> post. The world would truly be a much more boring place if that were the 
> case. 
>
> But excessive umbrage and accusations and generally going toe-to-toe in 
> recent threads which should have been innocuous makes me a bit concerned. 
> Hopefully, this was just an early example of the February crankiness that 
> pops up on this list when folks have not gotten out to ride enough. 
>
> There are a few things in those escalating threads which catch my 
> attention. 
>
> One is a statement which described a post as hastily made.  There's not a 
> thing so time-dependent on this group that anyone needs to shoehorn an 
> immediate response between the business of the day. If someone insults you, 
> let it stand. The previous conversational contributions made to this group 
> present enough of a body of evidence as to whether any insult is valid or 
> ludicrous. We all have a sense of the personalities behind the comments, 
> especially if we've been involved in this list for any length of time. The 
> need to respond immediately does not exist here. There are better venues 
> for that. If you find yourself hammering out (or tapping out) (or dictating 
> to a transcription bot) a quick response, maybe you don't need to post it. 
>
> Because words are tough. 
>
> We see it play out time and time again. All we get are the words. No body 
> language or tone. No micro musculature movement on the face to defuse or 
> contextualize the words. An innocuous post taken the wrong way. Something 
> triggers someone and suddenly the conversation is in a death spiral towards 
> "So's yer old man!"
>
> I think we're better than that.
>
> Because we're human, that isn't always the case. 
>
> So, let's give one another the opportunity to be wrong, hold an opinion we 
> don't agree with, miss the point entirely or explore an idea clumsily. If 
> you are the smartest person in the room, let the rest of us catch up 
> occasionally. Pretend it's a group ride where no one gets dropped.
>
> There were also a few things in the threads which heartened me.  
>
> Group members stepped in to diffuse the situation, putting themselves in 
> the line of fire to let everyone sit back down and enjoy the music. Thank 
> you. 
>
> That said, what now?
>
> Will we continue to get teased by the popular social venues into being the 
> first responder? Having an answer rather than considering a thoughtful 
> response? Will this group become a value-added buy/sell/trade sheet? Will 
> we continue to find commonality or seek to contrast only our differences? 
> Will Timmy hang on to the cracking tree branch over the chasm while Lassie 
> finds the ranger? Wait. Sorry. Ignore that last line.
>
> My point, as always, is that the quality of this group is up to us. Let's 
> move forward with a commitment to that idea.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their ongoing contributions to this group. 
>
> - Jim
>
> Jim Edgar / rbw group admin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lyli Herse, 1928 - 2018

[Jonathan D.]

Thank you for sharing. It was a wonderful read and glad I learned about her. 

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[RBW] Top Gear Ride on the Trails

[Deacon Patrick]

In which I only ride me 65” gear (40t x 17t) and find it perfect for this 
terrain. Lots of posting and honking, with a wee bit of coffee and pipe. Grin. 
Now, if only we’d get so much snow that I can’t ride these trails till May!
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/playing-on-the-peak

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] FS: Carradice Kendal Panniers - Olive

[Birdman]

These have been great panniers.  I really like the design.  They don't work 
with my current set-up, though, so I'm letting them go.  Used, but in great 
shape.  See photos and let me know if you have any questions: 

https://www.instagram.com/isaacenloe/?hl=en

$75 shipped CONUS

Isaac

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[RBW] Re: Happily Gratefully Riding My Hunqapillar Again

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Your bike is beautiful and so is the scenery.  I am very happy you are back 
on the road.

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm glad you have your bike back.

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[John G.]

Thanks, all! Mark, I’ll be using your short term solution while the Waterford 
touch-up is en route.

It’s such a relief to have the Atlantis back. Some time apart just reinforced 
how much I love that bike, squealing lousy cx-70 cantis and all.

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[RBW] FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

50cm, 650b Rivendell Saluki; complete. Built up from frame with 100% brand 
new components; <300 miles. Rich built wheels with Shimano dynamo. $1800; 
shipping costs *not* included. If you want the Sackville Saddlesack 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Kendal Panniers - Olive

[Birdman]

Panniers are SOLD.

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Tom! The New Moustache (AKA Albastache) is a delight to ride singlespeed, 
and even more so fixed. I’m not sure why, but ss I mostly rode the curves and 
only rode the more upright outter position when cruising. Nothing changed on 
the Quickbeam except going to fixed gear and now I ride the outer position most 
of the time, except in situations where I may need the front brake or I just 
want a change of position.

As for stem height and length, that is so very bike and rider variable that 
anyone’s specific numbers may be misleading for what you need, so take my 
numbers with a grain of salt. In my case I ride a 
supposedly-too-large-for-my-90cm-pbh 66cm Quickbeam, with a 5cm stem and both 
seat and stem very low, but essentially even. When I see pictures of bikes from 
the late 1800’s and early 1900’s You can see it in action in all my recent 
posts starting with my most recent one here: 
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/playing-on-the-peak

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Congrats, John! When I talked with Mark Nobilette he mentioned that checking 
the alignment may cause paint to flake off, both because of where he had to 
clamp it and if he needed to shift anything, preparing me for the likely need 
of a full repaint. A few thoughts:

— I shifted to Paul canti’s and love them. Well worth it. Don’t forget the moon 
thingy/hanger. It’s brilliant, simple and makes set-up and adjustment a breeze. 
Paul designed the simple, humble hanger the way I groused it should be as I 
tried to adjust them for too many years. They seem pricy ... until they don’t. 
Grin.
— I miss my Hunqapillar. Even though I’ve shifted to riding my Quickbeam for 
unloaded rides (most of them) and the Hunqapillar for loaded (errands and 
bikepacking), There is something about riding a mammoth that’s different than 
riding a fast, sentient treebeastie. Grin. 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Nick Payne]

I use nail polish - it comes in a myriad of colours. I've touched up paint 
chips on frames with nail polish and it's still protecting the frame more 
than a decade later.

Here's one manufacturer's range - just Google images for "nail polish 
colors" to find many more:



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[RBW] Re: Single speed handlebar recommendations

[C.J. Filip]

48cm Noodles on my 60cm SO.

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 10:09:12 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> For you Quickbeam-er/SimpleOne-ers out there, I'd love to hear your 
> recommendations for handlebars that work for you, and why.  Also, what stem 
> length and height you've settled on.  I'm gathering that a bar that's a tad 
> wider than normal works well to help with leverage when out of the saddle.
>
> My use will be 90% on roads or greenways.  10% gravel or packed paths.  No 
> MTB trails.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[masmojo]

Seriously 😩

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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[John Hawrylak]

Thank you Jim for all your work.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:55:06 PM UTC-5, John A. Bennett wrote:

> *Many thanks to Jim Edgar!*
>
>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Saluki

[Doug Bloch]

A beautiful bike!

Doug

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi Tom,
I’ve been testing numerous bars on my singlespeeds (not QB/SO but definitely 
inspired by those) and most recently found the moustache bar to be “nearly 
perfect” for the kind of riding you describe.  “Nearly” because I occasionally 
wished they were a bit wider and at max stem height they were just below saddle 
and I also sometimes wished they were a bit higher.  I had considered trying to 
obtain an Albastache (wider, less drop, more backsweep) which I think would 
have cured all of those occasional desires but I instead just converted to a 
Jones 2.5 riser loop 660mm wide that I recently obtained in a trade... this was 
not the original plan for the Jones but while already planning to rebuild the 
singlespeed for winter fixed mode I decided to give it a try.  With a 
threadless 90mm riser stem and 2.5” rise of the bar the grips are perfectly 
level with saddle and the extra width and sweep felt great on today’s quick 
test ride in the snow.

Just prior to the moustache I was running a butterfly/trekking bar with 
same 90mm reach stem I used for the moustache.  I loved the multi-grip 
possibilities of the trekking bar and the 56cm width but struggled to find the 
perfect fore/aft position with stems I had available and occasionally struck my 
knees on the rearward flat section on out of saddle climbs.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[jeffrey kane]

Oh (+) 1 on the Paul Moon Units ... it's one of those rare parts you'll 
kick yourself for not having purchased *YEARS* ago after grousing over the 
40 bucks ... as if.

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 7:52:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Congrats, John! When I talked with Mark Nobilette he mentioned that 
> checking the alignment may cause paint to flake off, both because of where 
> he had to clamp it and if he needed to shift anything, preparing me for the 
> likely need of a full repaint. A few thoughts: 
>
> — I shifted to Paul canti’s and love them. Well worth it. Don’t forget the 
> moon thingy/hanger. It’s brilliant, simple and makes set-up and adjustment 
> a breeze. Paul designed the simple, humble hanger the way I groused it 
> should be as I tried to adjust them for too many years. They seem pricy ... 
> until they don’t. Grin. 
> — I miss my Hunqapillar. Even though I’ve shifted to riding my Quickbeam 
> for unloaded rides (most of them) and the Hunqapillar for loaded (errands 
> and bikepacking), There is something about riding a mammoth that’s 
> different than riding a fast, sentient treebeastie. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Christopher Murray]

I also have a set of trekking bars in the bin. I think they are Nashbar 
branded. I did several unsupported tours with them on my Bike Friday so they 
worked but I could never get them out of the “ok” range and into the “works 
well” range. It always felt like the low part was where the high part should be 
and the high part was where the low part should be. The hand positions are 
almost the opposite of Alba’s. That said, people love this type of bars and 
I’ve seen and talked to so many people (mostly Europeans) who can’t say enough 
good things about them. I would gladly pass them along to anyone who is 
interested in trying them. 

Cheers!
Chris


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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

SOME MORE:











On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:05:03 PM UTC-8, Doug Bloch wrote:
>
> A beautiful bike!
>
> Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[dougP]

Jim:

Thanks for all your efforts.  Even though you probably only hear that 
infrequently, we truly value your efforts.

"There's not a thing so time-dependent on this group"

If one is in a hurry, there are faster vehicles than a bicycle.  Similarly, 
if one participates in a bike forum, there is plenty of time for thoughtul, 
reasoned posts & responses.

dougP


On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:52:37 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> The tenets of this group have not changed. It's right there in the top 
> line - "...a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts."
>
> I never expected that everyone would agree with everyone else in every 
> post. The world would truly be a much more boring place if that were the 
> case. 
>
> But excessive umbrage and accusations and generally going toe-to-toe in 
> recent threads which should have been innocuous makes me a bit concerned. 
> Hopefully, this was just an early example of the February crankiness that 
> pops up on this list when folks have not gotten out to ride enough. 
>
> There are a few things in those escalating threads which catch my 
> attention. 
>
> One is a statement which described a post as hastily made.  There's not a 
> thing so time-dependent on this group that anyone needs to shoehorn an 
> immediate response between the business of the day. If someone insults you, 
> let it stand. The previous conversational contributions made to this group 
> present enough of a body of evidence as to whether any insult is valid or 
> ludicrous. We all have a sense of the personalities behind the comments, 
> especially if we've been involved in this list for any length of time. The 
> need to respond immediately does not exist here. There are better venues 
> for that. If you find yourself hammering out (or tapping out) (or dictating 
> to a transcription bot) a quick response, maybe you don't need to post it. 
>
> Because words are tough. 
>
> We see it play out time and time again. All we get are the words. No body 
> language or tone. No micro musculature movement on the face to defuse or 
> contextualize the words. An innocuous post taken the wrong way. Something 
> triggers someone and suddenly the conversation is in a death spiral towards 
> "So's yer old man!"
>
> I think we're better than that.
>
> Because we're human, that isn't always the case. 
>
> So, let's give one another the opportunity to be wrong, hold an opinion we 
> don't agree with, miss the point entirely or explore an idea clumsily. If 
> you are the smartest person in the room, let the rest of us catch up 
> occasionally. Pretend it's a group ride where no one gets dropped.
>
> There were also a few things in the threads which heartened me.  
>
> Group members stepped in to diffuse the situation, putting themselves in 
> the line of fire to let everyone sit back down and enjoy the music. Thank 
> you. 
>
> That said, what now?
>
> Will we continue to get teased by the popular social venues into being the 
> first responder? Having an answer rather than considering a thoughtful 
> response? Will this group become a value-added buy/sell/trade sheet? Will 
> we continue to find commonality or seek to contrast only our differences? 
> Will Timmy hang on to the cracking tree branch over the chasm while Lassie 
> finds the ranger? Wait. Sorry. Ignore that last line.
>
> My point, as always, is that the quality of this group is up to us. Let's 
> move forward with a commitment to that idea.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their ongoing contributions to this group. 
>
> - Jim
>
> Jim Edgar / rbw group admin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Jonathan D.]

I might be interested for my wife. Do you know what the seat heigh is at in the 
photos?  My wife is needs a 65 seat height. Also do you have a build list?  
It’s a beautiful bike. 


It would have to be shipped to Portland Oregon. I am not sure where you are 
located. 


On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:32:55 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
> SOME MORE:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:05:03 PM UTC-8, Doug Bloch wrote:A 
> beautiful bike!
> Doug



On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:32:55 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
> SOME MORE:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:05:03 PM UTC-8, Doug Bloch wrote:A 
> beautiful bike!
> Doug

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Daniel Jackson]

Would you mind my asking saddle height as pictured?

Thanks,
D.

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 9:32:55 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>
> SOME MORE:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:05:03 PM UTC-8, Doug Bloch wrote:
>>
>> A beautiful bike!
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Do you know if the newer Riv Barsack with the F-15 mount bounces around much?
Thanks in advance
Jon

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[RBW] FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[Bill Lindsay]

I’ve found it to be surprisingly solid. I attribute that to the rack. The rack 
looks like it should be flexy, but it’s very stout. 

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Re: [RBW] FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks Bill

On Jan 6, 2018 9:20 PM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:

> I’ve found it to be surprisingly solid. I attribute that to the rack. The
> rack looks like it should be flexy, but it’s very stout.
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[RBW] Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks, Jim, for all your work to keep this forum cracking along. I'm sorry for 
my part in the recent madness. Yes, I need to ride more and type less..mission 
engaged!

Joe "someone on the internet is wrong" Bernard
Novato CA.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

26-1/2" center crank to top of the seat. 

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 7:14:46 PM UTC-8, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Would you mind my asking saddle height as pictured?
>
> Thanks,
> D.
>
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>> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:05:03 PM UTC-8, Doug Bloch wrote:
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>>> A beautiful bike!
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>>> Doug
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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'd like to treat everyone to a professional cuddle session 
,  on me.**


**Offer starts as soon as I become gainfully employed. 

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:52:37 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
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> The tenets of this group have not changed. It's right there in the top 
> line - "...a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts."
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