Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1. You're not going to make it up a lot of hills with just a wider bar;
you have to adjust your climbing method and tempo and, if you do that, your
regular bar will be just right.

Sure, a wide bar like a Moustache is nice when standing and pulling hard to
grunt up a very steep climb, but this sort of climbing is such that you
won't do it for very many meters, and you'll have to get off and walk after
a relatively short distance. SS/fixed climbing involves learning to stand
and pedal aerobically, and to use your body weight to mash the pedals. That
doesn't require a wider bar.

Patrick Moore, who has used all sorts of dirt drop bars, and always comes
back to a road drop bar, in ABQ, NM.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ... I’d say to ride what you like on geared bikes.
>
>

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[RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Philip Williamson]

My favorite bar for many years now on my Quickbeam is the WTB flared dirt drop. 
The 58cm Nitto RM-3 is the closest bar I’ve found to that. 

My stem is a riser Salsa from the 80’s, maybe 125mm long with a 40* rise from 
horizontal. Not an extreme rise. Bars are an inch above saddle height. 

I’ve run moustache bars and Salsa Woodchippers on other singlespeeds, and been 
pretty happy. I’d say to ride what you like on geared bikes.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Top Gear Ride on the Trails

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Carl. Gorillapod with an iPhone.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Top Gear Ride on the Trails

[Itsmybagel]

Patrick, Your photos and narration are sources of great pleasure for me. 
Could you say a few words about how you set up and capture those lovely 
pictures of you riding? I've been trying to figure it out and am stumped. 
Thanks,
- Carl

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I only ride me 65” gear (40t x 17t) and find it perfect for this 
> terrain. Lots of posting and honking, with a wee bit of coffee and pipe. 
> Grin. Now, if only we’d get so much snow that I can’t ride these trails 
> till May!
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/playing-on-the-peak
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[Itsmybagel]

Jim, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! I love reading what this group has to 
say and would be saddened without it! -- Carl in NC.

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:52:37 AM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> The tenets of this group have not changed. It's right there in the top 
> line - "...a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts."
>
> I never expected that everyone would agree with everyone else in every 
> post. The world would truly be a much more boring place if that were the 
> case. 
>
> But excessive umbrage and accusations and generally going toe-to-toe in 
> recent threads which should have been innocuous makes me a bit concerned. 
> Hopefully, this was just an early example of the February crankiness that 
> pops up on this list when folks have not gotten out to ride enough. 
>
> There are a few things in those escalating threads which catch my 
> attention. 
>
> One is a statement which described a post as hastily made.  There's not a 
> thing so time-dependent on this group that anyone needs to shoehorn an 
> immediate response between the business of the day. If someone insults you, 
> let it stand. The previous conversational contributions made to this group 
> present enough of a body of evidence as to whether any insult is valid or 
> ludicrous. We all have a sense of the personalities behind the comments, 
> especially if we've been involved in this list for any length of time. The 
> need to respond immediately does not exist here. There are better venues 
> for that. If you find yourself hammering out (or tapping out) (or dictating 
> to a transcription bot) a quick response, maybe you don't need to post it. 
>
> Because words are tough. 
>
> We see it play out time and time again. All we get are the words. No body 
> language or tone. No micro musculature movement on the face to defuse or 
> contextualize the words. An innocuous post taken the wrong way. Something 
> triggers someone and suddenly the conversation is in a death spiral towards 
> "So's yer old man!"
>
> I think we're better than that.
>
> Because we're human, that isn't always the case. 
>
> So, let's give one another the opportunity to be wrong, hold an opinion we 
> don't agree with, miss the point entirely or explore an idea clumsily. If 
> you are the smartest person in the room, let the rest of us catch up 
> occasionally. Pretend it's a group ride where no one gets dropped.
>
> There were also a few things in the threads which heartened me.  
>
> Group members stepped in to diffuse the situation, putting themselves in 
> the line of fire to let everyone sit back down and enjoy the music. Thank 
> you. 
>
> That said, what now?
>
> Will we continue to get teased by the popular social venues into being the 
> first responder? Having an answer rather than considering a thoughtful 
> response? Will this group become a value-added buy/sell/trade sheet? Will 
> we continue to find commonality or seek to contrast only our differences? 
> Will Timmy hang on to the cracking tree branch over the chasm while Lassie 
> finds the ranger? Wait. Sorry. Ignore that last line.
>
> My point, as always, is that the quality of this group is up to us. Let's 
> move forward with a commitment to that idea.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their ongoing contributions to this group. 
>
> - Jim
>
> Jim Edgar / rbw group admin
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi Tom,
When I first converted to the butterfly bar last year it was replacing a Nitto 
dirt drop bar... in this case a RM014... and with my aero levers I did not need 
to re-cable and wasn’t sure whether I’d go back to the drops or not so I left 
them as is.  In fact, the cables could have really been shortened when going 
from drop to the butterfly bar with levers positioned similarly to 
moustache/albastache so you’ll likely be fine using your brakes/cables as-is.

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Chris, if it needs repainting, it will be panted to match it’s name, Shadowfax. 
From Lord of the Rings: “By day his coat glistens like silver; and by night it 
is like a shade, and he passes unseen.”

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Are you having repainted in the same color scheme? 


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 4:45:04 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Let us know how you like them, John! Me Hunq is just fine. It’s in to swap 
> the dropouts to long horizontal dropouts for fixed riding. So, Mark 
> Nobilette has it now, is designing the dropouts, *then likely to the 
> painters for a fresh coat.* Hoping for spring. I didn’t think I’d miss it 
> much with the Quickbeam outfitted for winter riding, but ‘ve been tempted 
> with all this dry weather to do a few bikepacking trips ... until I 
> remember I don’t have the Hunq. Sardonic grin. The way I figure it, the 
> surest way to get snow is to go bikepacking. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Long pull levers slipping around

[drew]

Now I’m feeling like my tektros aren’t gonna be a long term solution. 
Anyone have any experience with a travel agent? Specifically their quality 
compared to actual v levers and long term durability/maintenance

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Lum, the Moon Unit can be adjusted with two hands easily (vs. the six hands 
required with the rest). The vertical cable goes into a dimple at the bolt, the 
body is treaded for the bolt, so no separate nut, and the bolt is allen, and no 
second micro bolt that leaves you scratching your head wondering what you’re 
supposed to do with it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Let us know how you like them, John! Me Hunq is just fine. It’s in to swap the 
dropouts to long horizontal dropouts for fixed riding. So, Mark Nobilette has 
it now, is designing the dropouts, then likely to the painters for a fresh 
coat. Hoping for spring. I didn’t think I’d miss it much with the Quickbeam 
outfitted for winter riding, but ‘ve been tempted with all this dry weather to 
do a few bikepacking trips ... until I remember I don’t have the Hunq. Sardonic 
grin. The way I figure it, the surest way to get snow is to go bikepacking. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Stuff for sale

[somervillebikes]

I have a few bike items for sale. All items are new or NOS as noted. Prices 
include CONUS shipping.

   - Velo Orange threadless stem, 110mm, 1-1/8", +/-6 deg. New. $30 
   shipped. (Can include a 1" to 1-1/8" shim, new, for an additional $5).
   - SRAM Rival FD, braze-on, 10-speed. New. $20 shipped.
   - Simplex rear derailleur with claw mount. NOS!!! $25 shipped.
   - Exustar E-PR101 clipless pedals. New. $30 shipped.
   
Photos here. 


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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[lum gim fong]

What makes it better than other carriers?

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[John G.]

Patrick! Jeffrey! I ordered a set of Paul Touring Cantis and Moon Unit hangers. 
I will report back as soon as I have them set up. Thanks for the tip on the 
Moon Units—I probably would’ve missed them otherwise.

Patrick: did I miss a post about your Hunq? I do hope it’s okay.

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Re: [RBW] FREE STUFF FOR SHIPPING!

[Patrick Shea]

I’ll take the Swiss bag.

Thanks,
Patrick

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 11:51 AM somervillebikes  wrote:

> For the cost of shipping (please no more than one item per person), I am
> offering the following:
>
>- VDO wireless computer with optional cadence sensor. I have three
>complete units (computer + speed sensor + cadence sensor + magnets), I had
>them on all my bikes until I got a Garmin. Probably will need new 
> batteries.
>- Nashbar clipless pedals. My first foray into clipless. Work fine,
>nothing wrong except scuffing.
>- Mirrcycle mirror (new). For Pre-2009 Shimano STI brifters.
>- Unknown manufacturer chromed steel 1" ball bearing headset,
>complete. Chrome in great shape.
>- Sakae CR 27.2mm seat post, with insertion marks
>- Swiss military bag that I wanted to convert to a small pannier but
>never got to it. Straps have been cut off.
>
> Flat rate shipping $10 for each item except the VDO computers and
> Mirrcycle for which flat rate shipping is $7.
>
> Contact me off list if interested.
>
> Photos here
> 
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Re: [RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[tom coppedge]

Wow thanks all for your input. For me, Albatross bars are comfortable but a
little laid back. I may try them again in the future.

Love the noodles on my Sam, and can see how they’d work nicely.

Never heard of the Osprey until now and will take a look. Kinda similar to
Ahearnes but wider.

I’m intrigued by reviews and looks of the Albastache. Sorta middle road
between Noodles and Albatross. Wondering if brake cabling length need to be
changed switching from 46 Noodles to Albastaches?



On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:09 PM tc  wrote:

> For you Quickbeam-er/SimpleOne-ers out there, I'd love to hear your
> recommendations for handlebars that work for you, and why.  Also, what stem
> length and height you've settled on.  I'm gathering that a bar that's a tad
> wider than normal works well to help with leverage when out of the saddle.
>
> My use will be 90% on roads or greenways.  10% gravel or packed paths.  No
> MTB trails.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Long pull levers slipping around

[Gabriel Hargrove]

Drew, you brought up another peccadillo with those RL520's- I'm only able 
to get into that clamp bolt with a balldriver T-handle wrench- anything 
else binds up or is too short! Don't know why this pair seems to not want 
to stay anywhere but the middle of the hook, though... Glad they are 
working for you. The design seems (unlike, say, old Campy NR levers) to 
touch at the top, bottom, and clamp instead of just at the clamp while 
leaving some float between the lever bracket and handlebar.

Andy, the Dia Compe 287V had not come up in my search previously- the 
aluminum bracket is a big selling point. I'll keep an eye on that hairline 
crack in the bracket body after your experiences. Stay warm out there. 

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 2:37:08 AM UTC-8, ascpgh wrote:
>
> I have both the Tektro 520 RL and Dia Compe 287V levers. The Tektros seem 
> like an update to the of long pull road lever idea that the DC pioneered 
> They pivot nicer under cable tension and have that ergonomic shaping of the 
> levers. Good, right? 
>
> The resin body of the Tektros breaks easier than I would expect  I've had 
> two crack up the front middle, splaying open and drop the lever pivot out 
> of its holes. That means no brakes. The resin body supports the pivot axle 
> of the lever at its ends, the first thing to hit when the bike goes down.
>
> I've done it twice, one was an honest failure as I did really pile up on 
> it and it was obviously broken. The other was not some catastrophic hit, 
> the biggest impact was from the bike falling over when someone bumped it 
> while it was leaned along a brick planter on a sidewalk. Discovered when 
> the lever suddenly met the bar while in use with no stopping power 
> produced. 
>
> The higher priced TRP and Cane Creek levers seem to use the same resin 
> body which I do not see as an improvement over my DC 287Vs with their old 
> school body and lever design on an aluminum body using a pivot between the 
> two edges of the rolled lever shape, which actually hold the pretty large 
> pivot axle.
>
> I'm game to try some price-appropriate aero road levers that have anything 
> but the resin body supporting the lever pivot common among the Tektro, TRP 
> and Cane Creek offerings. The 287v is an option but pricing and 
> availability is going against them.
>
> Enough avoidance, it's time to get geared up ride to work. It's -10°F with 
> nice 5 MPH wind. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> PIttsburgh
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:05:19 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>>
>> I have motolites with portolas and the tektro levers. I haven’t had any 
>> slipping, as far as I can tell. 
>> One thing I did notice is that the clamp bolt is way back in there and 
>> unless you have a super long Allen wrench, it’s hard to get any torque to 
>> really tighten it down. I think I used a mini cheater bar to extend the the 
>> short side of the Allen wrench a couple of inches. 
>>
>> If it’s not that, You could always take a clamp off of a lever you like 
>> and use that in the tektro instead of the  clamp it came withassuming 
>> the bolt threading is the same. 
>>
>> And finally, I think cane creek is tektro rebranded. There is a dia-compe 
>> long pull aero model out there, I believe. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Four Senor Frank Jones left...

[dstein]

The 57 was showing as sold out then reappeared, I think. I am so tempted on 
the 53 even though I know the 51 would be a better fit. I will not buy a 
bike this year. I will not buy a bike this year. I will not buy a bike this 
year


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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[Jonathan D.]

Thank you Jim. I am new to the list and really value the time I spend here. 
It’s a wonderful group and place to be, along with a distraction from world 
events. I hope everyone continues to contribute and forgives the occasional 
cranky responses. Thank you as well to Grant and co (John at Rivelo for us PDX 
folks) for continuing this wonderful business. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[R Shannon]

John,

My experience with the bar sack as well. Used it for a bit on my Atlantis but 
switched to baskets for more carrying capacity on two of my Rivs.

The bar sack and F-15 rack have been dormant for a year or so. If anyone is 
interested in purchasing an olive green one let’s talk.

Thanks very much,
Richard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 2:30 PM, John G.  wrote:
> 
> I guess it’s going to depend greatly on the Bike, the size of the Bike, and 
> the load. Here’s my experience: 
> I use the bag/rack combo on my Mercian Superlight, which is a size 63 and 
> acts as my Go Fast Roadeo wannabe. The bike has a way huge headtube, and 
> has been known to shimmy a bit on long, wild descents. It also has very 
> narrow handlebars.
> 
> With the BarSack and a 3-4lb load, the shimmy on descents seems to abate. 
> Steering is a bit more ponderous, but not so bad that it’s top of mind. Would 
> I race a crit with the bag? It’s a silly question, but no, I wouldn’t. 
> 
> Front loads have never bothered me on my Atlantis, FWIW. 
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[RBW] FREE STUFF FOR SHIPPING!

[somervillebikes]

For the cost of shipping (please no more than one item per person), I am 
offering the following:

   - VDO wireless computer with optional cadence sensor. I have three 
   complete units (computer + speed sensor + cadence sensor + magnets), I had 
   them on all my bikes until I got a Garmin. Probably will need new batteries.
   - Nashbar clipless pedals. My first foray into clipless. Work fine, 
   nothing wrong except scuffing.
   - Mirrcycle mirror (new). For Pre-2009 Shimano STI brifters.
   - Unknown manufacturer chromed steel 1" ball bearing headset, complete. 
   Chrome in great shape.
   - Sakae CR 27.2mm seat post, with insertion marks
   - Swiss military bag that I wanted to convert to a small pannier but 
   never got to it. Straps have been cut off.
   
Flat rate shipping $10 for each item except the VDO computers and Mirrcycle 
for which flat rate shipping is $7.

Contact me off list if interested.

Photos here 


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[RBW] Re: FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[John G.]

I guess it’s going to depend greatly on the Bike, the size of the Bike, and the 
load. Here’s my experience: 
I use the bag/rack combo on my Mercian Superlight, which is a size 63 and acts 
as my Go Fast Roadeo wannabe. The bike has a way huge headtube, and has 
been known to shimmy a bit on long, wild descents. It also has very narrow 
handlebars.

With the BarSack and a 3-4lb load, the shimmy on descents seems to abate. 
Steering is a bit more ponderous, but not so bad that it’s top of mind. Would I 
race a crit with the bag? It’s a silly question, but no, I wouldn’t. 

Front loads have never bothered me on my Atlantis, FWIW. 

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[RBW] Re: FS 58 Simple One F/F/HS/BB $550 + shipping

[Stephen D]

Sold!

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 10:07:40 AM UTC-5, Stephen D wrote:
>
> Posted additional pictures in the Flickr album above to show close ups of 
> chips in the paint. Don't hesitate to let me know if you would like 
> additional close-ups or videos or whatever. 
>
> Additionally, I am in Baltimore if anyone wants to look at it locally. 
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-5, Stephen D wrote:
>>
>> Price dropped to $475 + shipping.
>>
>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 3:55:38 PM UTC-5, Stephen D wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm selling a 58 Simple One which I bought off this list in June for my 
>>> wife to build up, but never did the build. We're getting ready for a move 
>>> and are paring down our bikes, parts, and frames.
>>>
>>> The frame has no dents or damage to the metal, but it does have a lot of 
>>> chips and dings in the paint. The bottom bracket is smooth, but the headset 
>>> feels a little different than the headsets we've had on bikes we've built 
>>> up - there's a definite forward "position" that the headset clicks into -- 
>>> it isn't just an uninterrupted 360 degree turn like it is on other 
>>> headsets. Bottom line -- it is possible the headset may need to be serviced 
>>> or replaced, but I don't have the expertise to say definitively. It might 
>>> be ok.
>>>
>>> The frame is located in Baltimore. The price does not include shipping 
>>> from Baltimore, which generally runs about $50 to ship to the west coast 
>>> via Bike Flights. We'll verify the precise cost of shipping before adding 
>>> the amount, however.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stephendm/albums/72157664154523928
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[Deacon Patrick]

You are a gift to us all, Jim. Thank you!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Single speed handlebar recommendations

[Eric Douglas]

46 Nitto "Dream" bars. Works for me for everything but singletrack.

Love em' enough so that I stocked up on them when they became hard to find.


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 10:45:12 AM UTC-5, A. Douglas M. wrote:
>
> I had Nitto noodles on my QB when purchased. It was ok, but Riv sizing 
> lends itself to upright bars IMO (long top tube)0. I put on a pair of 
> albatross bars and fell in love with upright fixed. Perfect for the 
> mountainous city I lived in. Multiple hand positions, and like others, I 
> enjoyed the widest the most. 
>
>  I put those bars on my wife’s bike and currently use a Soma Osprey bar. 
> Really great and really wide. 
>
> Have fun and mix them up!

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Re: [RBW] Generator tail light on Longboard Fenders

[lum gim fong]

https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/67p95S

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[RBW] FS Mark's M1 front rack

[Steve Butcher]

Since I'm going the full Clem route for a rack for my Rosco Mixte, I'm 
offering for sale my Mark's rack.  Included in the offer is the rack with 
parts,  an Irish strap, and a Nitto #6 left lamp mount.  I purchased the 
rack new last spring and used it to mount a medium Wald basket in which to 
carry my lunch on my commutes to work.  The rack is in excellent shape and 
has never been damaged.  The struts have never been cut; I've only bent 
them a bit to fit the rack to the bike.  I'm asking $135.00 shipped in 
CONUS with preferred payment being PayPal.  Please send me a PM with 
questions.  Thanks for looking, Steve.

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Re: [RBW] Generator tail light on Longboard Fenders

[lum gim fong]

I did this instead of resar fender. Less committed, away from moving bike 
parts. Shorter run.
https://flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/sets/72157678065003296

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[RBW] FS: Moving sale, nice part

[Bin Chen]

I’ll take the albatross bars.

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[RBW] Re: FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[Kevin Lindsey]

How do the F-15/bag combination affect the handling and stability of the 
bike?  I bought an Acorn bag for my Hunqapillar last year and found that it 
turned that platform of stability into a kind of squirrely ride, even to 
the point that I could no longer ride hands off.  
Kevin

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 2:26:23 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> If you are like me, you believe that any bike can be made better with a 
> handlebar bag.  If you are like me, you don't think a bike's handling is 
> ruined when you carry a few pounds in a handlebar bag.
>
> If you have a stripped down road bike, it might be a touch difficult to 
> mount a proper front rack as a handlebar bag support.  If you are like me, 
> you know that an F15 front rack makes it easy to run a handlebar bag Link 
> to F15 front rack 
> 
>
> I've been running a beausaged Baggins boxy rando bag on one of my stripped 
> down road bikes.  I recently upgraded that bag to a Sackville sapphire.  
> So, now I have a choice:  sell my Baggins bag to YOU, OR buy another F15 
> and run the Baggins on another bike.  You decide!
>
> Here's a link to a flickr photo album of the garage project I executed to 
> make my Baggins bag a lot more boxy with a custom built front rail that 
> bolts to the F15:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157647604128426
>
> For sale is the bag and the custom front rail.  You need to supply the F15 
> front rack.  $50 shipped.  If you don't want it, I'll probably buy another 
> F15 and I'll use it down the road.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Generator tail light on Longboard Fenders

[Steve Palincsar]

I have no experience with the Longboard, but for some years I had a 
4D-Lite Plus mounted to a SKS plastic fender: in the usual manner, drill 
2 holes, one for the bolt and one for the little "stud".   The generator 
was mounted on the front fork, and the wire ran along the top tube and 
was glued to the top of the rear fender.



On 01/07/2018 12:24 PM, Call Me Jay wrote:

Has anyone made this work? How?



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[RBW] Re: Generator tail light on Longboard Fenders

[Antone Könst]

I have, by drilling a small hole in the fender and running the wire along 
the downtube, under, chain stay, fender stays.  Not the most beautiful 
set-up but it's nice to never worry about the wiring dropping down from 
inside the fender. 

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:24:40 PM UTC-5, Call Me Jay wrote:
>
> Has anyone made this work? How?

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[RBW] Generator tail light on Longboard Fenders

[Call Me Jay]

Has anyone made this work? How?

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Re: [RBW] FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[John G.]

And now that Bill's bag is off to a new home, I may as well use the thread 
to put in a plug for the BarSack. I love mine, and it's a great way to 
Brevetize a bike that won't easily take a front rack. It's super easy to 
quickly add/remove the rack and bag.

Looks like Rivendell is phasing them out. Get the blue one! 

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/remainders-specials/products/sackville-barsack-blue

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 11:37:08 AM UTC-5, RichS wrote:
>
> Yes, they are quite stable and beautifully made 
> like you’d expect from Nitto. 
>
> Best, 
> Richard

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[RBW] FS: Saluki

[Karl]

Beautiful bike. Glad this doesn’t fit my saddle height! Always wanted a Saluki!

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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[RichS]

Jim, 

A heartfelt thank you for your efforts and commitment to this group. It means 
so much!

Kind regards,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[RichS]

Yes, they are quite stable and beautifully made
like you’d expect from Nitto.

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[Kellie]

MORE PHOTOS:

Headbadge





Cool cable route built into frame






On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:59:25 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
> 50cm, 650b Rivendell Saluki; complete. Built up from frame with 100% brand 
> new components; <300 miles. Rich built wheels with Shimano dynamo. $1800; 
> shipping costs *not* included. If you want the Sackville Saddlesack 
> (small), add $90. More photos and components on request.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Single speed handlebar recommendations

[A. Douglas M.]

I had Nitto noodles on my QB when purchased. It was ok, but Riv sizing lends 
itself to upright bars IMO (long top tube)0. I put on a pair of albatross bars 
and fell in love with upright fixed. Perfect for the mountainous city I lived 
in. Multiple hand positions, and like others, I enjoyed the widest the most.

 I put those bars on my wife’s bike and currently use a Soma Osprey bar. Really 
great and really wide. 

Have fun and mix them up!

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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[Andy L]

Boy, was that nice to read-  I didn't totally follow the posts that led up 
to it, but I sure do appreciate the sentiment and the articulation.  Also, 
as someone  mentioned, I appreciate the work that Jim does so that I can 
read about bikes, and others can read about and discuss bikes.  I feel like 
a bit of a freeloader, but I don't feel like I have anything to add yet, 
and I enjoy and learn from reading what others write, and it all makes 
riding my quickbeam and big dummy all the more enjoyable.
Andy 
Philadelphia

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 6:42:27 AM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Thank you for all that you do for the group, Jim.  Wonderful post.
> Steve Alkire
> Kensington, MD
>
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:52:37 AM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> The tenets of this group have not changed. It's right there in the top 
>> line - "...a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts."
>>
>> I never expected that everyone would agree with everyone else in every 
>> post. The world would truly be a much more boring place if that were the 
>> case. 
>>
>> But excessive umbrage and accusations and generally going toe-to-toe in 
>> recent threads which should have been innocuous makes me a bit concerned. 
>> Hopefully, this was just an early example of the February crankiness that 
>> pops up on this list when folks have not gotten out to ride enough. 
>>
>> There are a few things in those escalating threads which catch my 
>> attention. 
>>
>> One is a statement which described a post as hastily made.  There's not a 
>> thing so time-dependent on this group that anyone needs to shoehorn an 
>> immediate response between the business of the day. If someone insults you, 
>> let it stand. The previous conversational contributions made to this group 
>> present enough of a body of evidence as to whether any insult is valid or 
>> ludicrous. We all have a sense of the personalities behind the comments, 
>> especially if we've been involved in this list for any length of time. The 
>> need to respond immediately does not exist here. There are better venues 
>> for that. If you find yourself hammering out (or tapping out) (or dictating 
>> to a transcription bot) a quick response, maybe you don't need to post it. 
>>
>> Because words are tough. 
>>
>> We see it play out time and time again. All we get are the words. No body 
>> language or tone. No micro musculature movement on the face to defuse or 
>> contextualize the words. An innocuous post taken the wrong way. Something 
>> triggers someone and suddenly the conversation is in a death spiral towards 
>> "So's yer old man!"
>>
>> I think we're better than that.
>>
>> Because we're human, that isn't always the case. 
>>
>> So, let's give one another the opportunity to be wrong, hold an opinion 
>> we don't agree with, miss the point entirely or explore an idea clumsily. 
>> If you are the smartest person in the room, let the rest of us catch up 
>> occasionally. Pretend it's a group ride where no one gets dropped.
>>
>> There were also a few things in the threads which heartened me.  
>>
>> Group members stepped in to diffuse the situation, putting themselves in 
>> the line of fire to let everyone sit back down and enjoy the music. Thank 
>> you. 
>>
>> That said, what now?
>>
>> Will we continue to get teased by the popular social venues into being 
>> the first responder? Having an answer rather than considering a thoughtful 
>> response? Will this group become a value-added buy/sell/trade sheet? Will 
>> we continue to find commonality or seek to contrast only our differences? 
>> Will Timmy hang on to the cracking tree branch over the chasm while Lassie 
>> finds the ranger? Wait. Sorry. Ignore that last line.
>>
>> My point, as always, is that the quality of this group is up to us. Let's 
>> move forward with a commitment to that idea.
>>
>> Thanks to everyone for their ongoing contributions to this group. 
>>
>> - Jim
>>
>> Jim Edgar / rbw group admin
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Moving sale, nice part

[Michael Lopez]

Howdy, I'd love to take those paul love levers off your hands.

Michael

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[RBW] 62 Hunqapillar for sale/trade. Looking for a 60 Cheviot.

[Mitchell Connell]

Hey team,

I have a 62 Hunq, and after riding a friend's Cheviot in Knoxville, I 
realized that it would be the perfect bike for me. Anyone interested in 
buying a used Hunq or trading it for a Cheviot? Anyone have a used 60 cm 
Cheviot for a sale? Putting out some Rivendell feelers :)

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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[Grant @ Rivendell]

Seriously all that John and everybody has said. Jim means the world to me, 
I have more respect for him than I can ever utter, and I know most of us 
here feel some kind of version of that. He can write me under a tractor, 
every sentence, things that I'd stew over and ultimately screw up with 
emotion, he delivers like..pancakes at a fundraising breakfast, that's the 
image I have (and makes sense to me/my head). Yep, thanks, Jim. You pipe up 
perfectly and are so valued.

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:52:37 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> The tenets of this group have not changed. It's right there in the top 
> line - "...a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts."
>
> I never expected that everyone would agree with everyone else in every 
> post. The world would truly be a much more boring place if that were the 
> case. 
>
> But excessive umbrage and accusations and generally going toe-to-toe in 
> recent threads which should have been innocuous makes me a bit concerned. 
> Hopefully, this was just an early example of the February crankiness that 
> pops up on this list when folks have not gotten out to ride enough. 
>
> There are a few things in those escalating threads which catch my 
> attention. 
>
> One is a statement which described a post as hastily made.  There's not a 
> thing so time-dependent on this group that anyone needs to shoehorn an 
> immediate response between the business of the day. If someone insults you, 
> let it stand. The previous conversational contributions made to this group 
> present enough of a body of evidence as to whether any insult is valid or 
> ludicrous. We all have a sense of the personalities behind the comments, 
> especially if we've been involved in this list for any length of time. The 
> need to respond immediately does not exist here. There are better venues 
> for that. If you find yourself hammering out (or tapping out) (or dictating 
> to a transcription bot) a quick response, maybe you don't need to post it. 
>
> Because words are tough. 
>
> We see it play out time and time again. All we get are the words. No body 
> language or tone. No micro musculature movement on the face to defuse or 
> contextualize the words. An innocuous post taken the wrong way. Something 
> triggers someone and suddenly the conversation is in a death spiral towards 
> "So's yer old man!"
>
> I think we're better than that.
>
> Because we're human, that isn't always the case. 
>
> So, let's give one another the opportunity to be wrong, hold an opinion we 
> don't agree with, miss the point entirely or explore an idea clumsily. If 
> you are the smartest person in the room, let the rest of us catch up 
> occasionally. Pretend it's a group ride where no one gets dropped.
>
> There were also a few things in the threads which heartened me.  
>
> Group members stepped in to diffuse the situation, putting themselves in 
> the line of fire to let everyone sit back down and enjoy the music. Thank 
> you. 
>
> That said, what now?
>
> Will we continue to get teased by the popular social venues into being the 
> first responder? Having an answer rather than considering a thoughtful 
> response? Will this group become a value-added buy/sell/trade sheet? Will 
> we continue to find commonality or seek to contrast only our differences? 
> Will Timmy hang on to the cracking tree branch over the chasm while Lassie 
> finds the ranger? Wait. Sorry. Ignore that last line.
>
> My point, as always, is that the quality of this group is up to us. Let's 
> move forward with a commitment to that idea.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their ongoing contributions to this group. 
>
> - Jim
>
> Jim Edgar / rbw group admin
>
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Re: [RBW] Baggins and Bell

[Joe Huddleston]

Ok, it's yours. PM for details, etc.
Thanks

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 1:52:40 PM UTC-5, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'll take the bell please!! 
> Joe 
>
> On 1/3/18, Joe Huddleston > wrote: 
> > FS;  1.A 1st. generation Rivendell Candy Bar Bag (c. early  2000's). 
> Good 
> > used condition (the circular leather RBW emblem and the leather fob 
> > side/ring  were eventually removed).IMO  excellent place for some RBW 
> mini 
> > patches . The usual beausage from a fariweather only cyclist's use. $20 
> > free USPS shipping. 
> > 2. Viva bicycle bell -the first kind RBW sold. $10 free USPS 
> > shipping. 
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Re: [RBW] FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Bill,

I’ve been wanting to try one of these. Glad to buy yours and pick up an F15
from Riv next time I stop by.

PayPal ok?


Best,
Reed

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> If you are like me, you believe that any bike can be made better with a
> handlebar bag.  If you are like me, you don't think a bike's handling is
> ruined when you carry a few pounds in a handlebar bag.
>
> If you have a stripped down road bike, it might be a touch difficult to
> mount a proper front rack as a handlebar bag support.  If you are like me,
> you know that an F15 front rack makes it easy to run a handlebar bag Link
> to F15 front rack
> 
>
> I've been running a beausaged Baggins boxy rando bag on one of my stripped
> down road bikes.  I recently upgraded that bag to a Sackville sapphire.
> So, now I have a choice:  sell my Baggins bag to YOU, OR buy another F15
> and run the Baggins on another bike.  You decide!
>
> Here's a link to a flickr photo album of the garage project I executed to
> make my Baggins bag a lot more boxy with a custom built front rail that
> bolts to the F15:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157647604128426
>
> For sale is the bag and the custom front rail.  You need to supply the F15
> front rack.  $50 shipped.  If you don't want it, I'll probably buy another
> F15 and I'll use it down the road.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Thanks John for your input
Jon

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Re: [RBW] FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[John G.]

+1 to the F15 being very solid. I have one that I occasionally use on my 
Mercian, and it does the job very well. I almost prefer it to the 
Acorn/Marks's Rack setup on my Atlantis.

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:41:56 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill
>
> On Jan 6, 2018 9:20 PM, "Bill Lindsay" > 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve found it to be surprisingly solid. I attribute that to the rack. The 
>> rack looks like it should be flexy, but it’s very stout.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki

[islaysteve]

Wow.  Beautiful bike,, probably my size, favorite color.  Alas, I have a 
lovely Bleriot, can't justify the switch.  Best of luck with the sale 
Kellie.


On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:59:25 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>
> 50cm, 650b Rivendell Saluki; complete. Built up from frame with 100% brand 
> new components; <300 miles. Rich built wheels with Shimano dynamo. $1800; 
> shipping costs *not* included. If you want the Sackville Saddlesack 
> (small), add $90. More photos and components on request.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[islaysteve]

Thank you for all that you do for the group, Jim.  Wonderful post.
Steve Alkire
Kensington, MD


On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:52:37 AM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> The tenets of this group have not changed. It's right there in the top 
> line - "...a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts."
>
> I never expected that everyone would agree with everyone else in every 
> post. The world would truly be a much more boring place if that were the 
> case. 
>
> But excessive umbrage and accusations and generally going toe-to-toe in 
> recent threads which should have been innocuous makes me a bit concerned. 
> Hopefully, this was just an early example of the February crankiness that 
> pops up on this list when folks have not gotten out to ride enough. 
>
> There are a few things in those escalating threads which catch my 
> attention. 
>
> One is a statement which described a post as hastily made.  There's not a 
> thing so time-dependent on this group that anyone needs to shoehorn an 
> immediate response between the business of the day. If someone insults you, 
> let it stand. The previous conversational contributions made to this group 
> present enough of a body of evidence as to whether any insult is valid or 
> ludicrous. We all have a sense of the personalities behind the comments, 
> especially if we've been involved in this list for any length of time. The 
> need to respond immediately does not exist here. There are better venues 
> for that. If you find yourself hammering out (or tapping out) (or dictating 
> to a transcription bot) a quick response, maybe you don't need to post it. 
>
> Because words are tough. 
>
> We see it play out time and time again. All we get are the words. No body 
> language or tone. No micro musculature movement on the face to defuse or 
> contextualize the words. An innocuous post taken the wrong way. Something 
> triggers someone and suddenly the conversation is in a death spiral towards 
> "So's yer old man!"
>
> I think we're better than that.
>
> Because we're human, that isn't always the case. 
>
> So, let's give one another the opportunity to be wrong, hold an opinion we 
> don't agree with, miss the point entirely or explore an idea clumsily. If 
> you are the smartest person in the room, let the rest of us catch up 
> occasionally. Pretend it's a group ride where no one gets dropped.
>
> There were also a few things in the threads which heartened me.  
>
> Group members stepped in to diffuse the situation, putting themselves in 
> the line of fire to let everyone sit back down and enjoy the music. Thank 
> you. 
>
> That said, what now?
>
> Will we continue to get teased by the popular social venues into being the 
> first responder? Having an answer rather than considering a thoughtful 
> response? Will this group become a value-added buy/sell/trade sheet? Will 
> we continue to find commonality or seek to contrast only our differences? 
> Will Timmy hang on to the cracking tree branch over the chasm while Lassie 
> finds the ranger? Wait. Sorry. Ignore that last line.
>
> My point, as always, is that the quality of this group is up to us. Let's 
> move forward with a commitment to that idea.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their ongoing contributions to this group. 
>
> - Jim
>
> Jim Edgar / rbw group admin
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Chain width

[ascpgh]

I got the resin version secondhand and it is beyond value. 

For those looking to really optimize the cost/effectiveness ration but like 
to have new things, I offer this: cost effective resin caliper 


Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:15:59 AM UTC-5, RichS wrote:
>
> Bill, amen to your suggestion on the Ace Hardware caliper. Like you, I 
> have one and it has been indispensable.
>
> Joe, head on over to your local Ace today.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 4:11:38 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Having confirmed that you don't have the tools to do this measurement, I 
>> recommend you treat yourself to a very very cheap vernier caliper.  One 
>> like this would be just fine:
>>
>> Link to Ace Hardware Cheapo Caliper 
>> 
>>
>> You'll use it a thousand times.  Promise.  You are a budding metrologist
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 12:56:20 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Correct! Asking for measurements I can get with my own tool would 
>>> possibly be insane, my good man. But I think I've solved the problem. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Long pull levers slipping around

[ascpgh]

I have both the Tektro 520 RL and Dia Compe 287V levers. The Tektros seem 
like an update to the of long pull road lever idea that the DC pioneered 
They pivot nicer under cable tension and have that ergonomic shaping of the 
levers. Good, right? 

The resin body of the Tektros breaks easier than I would expect  I've had 
two crack up the front middle, splaying open and drop the lever pivot out 
of its holes. That means no brakes. The resin body supports the pivot axle 
of the lever at its ends, the first thing to hit when the bike goes down.

I've done it twice, one was an honest failure as I did really pile up on it 
and it was obviously broken. The other was not some catastrophic hit, the 
biggest impact was from the bike falling over when someone bumped it while 
it was leaned along a brick planter on a sidewalk. Discovered when the 
lever suddenly met the bar while in use with no stopping power produced. 

The higher priced TRP and Cane Creek levers seem to use the same resin body 
which I do not see as an improvement over my DC 287Vs with their old school 
body and lever design on an aluminum body using a pivot between the two 
edges of the rolled lever shape, which actually hold the pretty large pivot 
axle.

I'm game to try some price-appropriate aero road levers that have anything 
but the resin body supporting the lever pivot common among the Tektro, TRP 
and Cane Creek offerings. The 287v is an option but pricing and 
availability is going against them.

Enough avoidance, it's time to get geared up ride to work. It's -10°F with 
nice 5 MPH wind. 

Andy Cheatham
PIttsburgh

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 12:05:19 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> I have motolites with portolas and the tektro levers. I haven’t had any 
> slipping, as far as I can tell. 
> One thing I did notice is that the clamp bolt is way back in there and 
> unless you have a super long Allen wrench, it’s hard to get any torque to 
> really tighten it down. I think I used a mini cheater bar to extend the the 
> short side of the Allen wrench a couple of inches. 
>
> If it’s not that, You could always take a clamp off of a lever you like 
> and use that in the tektro instead of the  clamp it came withassuming 
> the bolt threading is the same. 
>
> And finally, I think cane creek is tektro rebranded. There is a dia-compe 
> long pull aero model out there, I believe. 

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