[RBW] Re: Videos by Blue Lug

[Ed Carolipio]

So awesome, thanks for sharing.

--Ed C.

On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 5:38:36 AM UTC-7, Takashi wrote:
>
> A Blue Lug staff made a couple of nice videos featuring Riv bikes.
> You can watch them here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m42xOhm33vo
> and here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmHviL6Jf1Y
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[Philip Williamson]

The RM-13s are good bars. 
However, I don’t like Noodles, so that might not be helpful.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[phil k]

Could you provide a link to pictures?

I just wish there was a noodle with shorter drops

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[Drw]

I’m semi hopeful that VO’s upcoming drops will Gil this tiny void in handlebar 
designs, but this is based only on a few random photos and no description

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[RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

[Joe Bernard]

Hmm, a Dremel vise clamp to use with the Dremel tool I already have. This could 
work!

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[RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

[Ron Mc]

Dremel vise clamps to any table corner, and I bet you'll think of other 
uses for it later
https://www.amazon.com/Dremel-2500-01-Rotary-Tool-Multi-Vise/dp/B000P4W3LU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

[Eric Norris]

Even a small pair of bolt cutters will work quite well on struts, which are 
made of relatively soft and easy-to-cut aluminum. I’ve cut struts effectively 
this way. Bolt cutters will leave sharp edges, which you might way to soften 
with sandpaper.

A Dremel tool with a cutting wheel will also work. I use mine to cut cable 
housings—you get a nice, flat, square end without squishing the housing.

--Eric N

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 7:16 PM, sameness  wrote:
> 
> Find something with a hole approximately the same diameter as the strut and 
> use that as a guide for the saw.
> 
> Or use the spine of a book you don't totally care about as a guide. 
> 
> Or use a piece of electrical tape as a guide. 
> 
> Or just go for it by eyeball, squaring and cleaning it up with a file.
> 
> Hang it off the edge of a table or bench in any case.
> 
> Hell, you could just use the edge of the table or bench as a guide.
> 
> In descending order of precariousity.
> 
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 6:54:53 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> How you do it?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[Robert Barr]

Brynnar/Matt, its Bob. Looks like the Indianapolis Riv Society is going
public!

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 8:38 PM MattB  wrote:

> Hey Brynnar, that is a sweet build.  Scott at ICS has built a couple of
> wheels for me as well, a really good guy! I’m in Indy as well and ride what
> I think is the only Hilborne, sparkly, orange Atlantis, at least the only
> one I know of.
> We need to hook up for an Indy ramble.
>
> Matt in Indy
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[RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

[sameness]

In any case, just overshoot your cut by about 1/8". Easy to take it down 
further with a file. Much more difficult to grow it back.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Cutting rack struts without a vice

[Deacon Patrick]

Bolt cutters, smooth with a file.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

[sameness]

Find something with a hole approximately the same diameter as the strut and 
use that as a guide for the saw.

Or use the spine of a book you don't totally care about as a guide. 

Or use a piece of electrical tape as a guide. 

Or just go for it by eyeball, squaring and cleaning it up with a file.

Hang it off the edge of a table or bench in any case.

Hell, you could just use the edge of the table or bench as a guide.

In descending order of precariousity.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 6:54:53 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> How you do it?

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[RBW] Cutting rack struts without a vice

[Joe Bernard]

How you do it?

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[RBW] Wool at 100*+

[iamkeith]

I like wool, but I did recently discover one disadvantage on really hot days: 

Here in Wyoming, there are a lot of sheep farms in the rural areas.  The biting 
flies from those farms, which become more active the hotter it gets, targetted 
me with a vengence while leaving lycra-clad riders much less molested.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[Clayton.sf]

I have Nitto RM-013-HT Dirt Drop Handlebars Heat Treated Silver (Width: 52cm) 
for sale of anyone is interested. Very noodle-esque. I installed them but did 
not ride them more than a few feet b4 deciding they were not for me. I am a fan 
of the cowchippers though. there is no spot behind the lever be the drops and 
hoods to me are very comfy even for long rides.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[MattB]

Hey Brynnar, that is a sweet build.  Scott at ICS has built a couple of wheels 
for me as well, a really good guy! I’m in Indy as well and ride what I think is 
the only Hilborne, sparkly, orange Atlantis, at least the only one I know of.
We need to hook up for an Indy ramble.

Matt in Indy

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[RBW] Re: Riv Spotting

[MartyG]

Nice, not nine...

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[RBW] Re: Riv Spotting

[MartyG]

Nine one. Every time I see a black Riv I’m tempted all over again. When the 
Atlantis is ready for paint, black it is. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[Jeff Lesperance]

Darin - thanks for the link - I hadn't seen that particular write-up but I
had looked at Nitto dirt drops in the past and my impression was they they
were all too narrow at the ramps or where the brake levers would be. Looks
like I might have been wrong as the widest RM-013 looks like it could be
close to 46 at the brake levers - I just found a picture here with a
measuring tape:

https://store.biketouringnews.com/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebar-rm-013/

Regarding the shorter ramps on the bars that I'm trying - I knew it would
be a trade-off, and I wanted to see if it would work - had I factored in
the Nitto I might have come to a solution sooner. Thus far, I've tried the
bar with the shortest ramp of the 3 I picked out, the Cowchipper, and it
was close to working, but not quite. I expect the Ritchey may have just
enough, though not a lot of real estate to move around on, and the Origin8
bar is the longest of the three but also the widest flare that I'm unsure
about. I really loved the feel of the drops on the Cowchipper.

I've tried a lot of different things on my bikes over the years, but I've
been pretty locked into Noodles - I've actually enjoyed the research and
the shuffling of the cockpit recently, and I'll be happy to practice catch
n' release of the bars that don't work for me so someone else can maybe try
something different.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 7:20 PM DarinM  wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> You say that your favorite feature of the Noodles is the reach (mine,
> too), but none of those bars have anything resembling the Noodle's. I tried
> Salsa Cowbells sometime last year but gave up on them because they had
> nothing to hold onto behind the levers, that made me realize how much I
> like that position.
>
> Have you seen this
> page
> from Bike Touring News comparing Nitto's flared bars? Since you seem to be
> flexible on clamp diameter, you could add those to your list. I have the
> RM-13's and love em'. The 14's look nice and I may those on a more
> dirt-oriented bike that will have a 31.8mm stem.
>
> Darin
>
> On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
>>
>> My search began with a quest, essentially, for a flared Noodle - and the
>> feature I like the most about the Noodle is probably the reach - I use the
>> long-ish ramp as my standard hand position, it's where I'm most
>> comfortable, and it allows me to stretch out further onto the hoods when I
>> need to stretch out, and sit upright on the flats. I've been out of town
>> for a few days, but I expect to put some miles on the Ritchey Venturemax in
>> the next few days. If it doesn't work out, I'll try the Gary Sweep OS bars,
>> which claim to be 44cm, but they seem just similar in width to the other
>> bars. If those don't work, I guess I'm going to buy a new Noodle.
>>
>> Here's a somewhat top-down pic of the bars I'm working through next to a
>> 46cm Noodle:
>> Gary Sweep OS 44cm
>> Salsa Cowchipper 46cm
>> Ritchey Venturmax 46 cm
>> Nitto Noodle 46cm
>>
>> [image: IMG_0531.HEIC]
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:26 PM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting the spreadsheet; that looks like a lot of work. Have
>>> you looked at the Soma Highway 1 Bar? It doesn't flare, but it does have a
>>> short reach and drop. I replaced the original Nitto bars on my old Santana
>>> Noventa with Hwy 1 because of their short reach, 26mm clamp, and silver
>>> finish.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
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[RBW] OT/Giants-Diamondbacks Sunday 7/1

[Rich Lesnik]

Off-topic. I mistakenly got 2 tickets for the SFGiants/Arizona Diamondbacks
ballgame in Phoenix this coming Sunday. I’m in San Francisco. If anyone in
the Phoenix area wants the tickets, please contact me for a “screaming’
deal”!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[DarinM]

Jeff,

You say that your favorite feature of the Noodles is the reach (mine, too), 
but none of those bars have anything resembling the Noodle's. I tried Salsa 
Cowbells sometime last year but gave up on them because they had nothing to 
hold onto behind the levers, that made me realize how much I like that 
position. 

Have you seen this 
page
 
from Bike Touring News comparing Nitto's flared bars? Since you seem to be 
flexible on clamp diameter, you could add those to your list. I have the 
RM-13's and love em'. The 14's look nice and I may those on a more 
dirt-oriented bike that will have a 31.8mm stem.

Darin

On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
>
> My search began with a quest, essentially, for a flared Noodle - and the 
> feature I like the most about the Noodle is probably the reach - I use the 
> long-ish ramp as my standard hand position, it's where I'm most 
> comfortable, and it allows me to stretch out further onto the hoods when I 
> need to stretch out, and sit upright on the flats. I've been out of town 
> for a few days, but I expect to put some miles on the Ritchey Venturemax in 
> the next few days. If it doesn't work out, I'll try the Gary Sweep OS bars, 
> which claim to be 44cm, but they seem just similar in width to the other 
> bars. If those don't work, I guess I'm going to buy a new Noodle.
>
> Here's a somewhat top-down pic of the bars I'm working through next to a 
> 46cm Noodle:
> Gary Sweep OS 44cm
> Salsa Cowchipper 46cm
> Ritchey Venturmax 46 cm
> Nitto Noodle 46cm
>
> [image: IMG_0531.HEIC]
>  
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:26 PM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> Thanks for posting the spreadsheet; that looks like a lot of work. Have 
>> you looked at the Soma Highway 1 Bar? It doesn't flare, but it does have a 
>> short reach and drop. I replaced the original Nitto bars on my old Santana 
>> Noventa with Hwy 1 because of their short reach, 26mm clamp, and silver 
>> finish.
>>
>> Tony
>>  
>>
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[RBW] OT/Giants-Diamondbacks Sunday 7/1

[Joe Bernard]

Rich, go to Phoenix! It can't be any hotter than the RBW shop the last two 
weeks!

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[RBW] OT/Giants-Diamondbacks Sunday 7/1

[Deacon Patrick]

Pesky fine print! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] OT/Giants-Diamondbacks Sunday 7/1

[Rich Lesnik]

Off-topic. I mistakenly got 2 tickets for the SFGiants/Arizona Diamondbacks 
ballgame in Phoenix this coming Sunday. I’m in San Francisco. If anyone in the 
Phoenix area wants the tickets, please contact me for a “screaming’ deal”!

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[RBW] Re: Banana Sax alternate mounting, matchy matchy

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks! Great suggestion and I've been wanting to support Rivelo. 

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[RBW] Re: Banana Sax alternate mounting, matchy matchy

[Daniel Jackson]

I just got a couple from Rivelo in PDX. Give em a call. John is the best. 

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[RBW] Re: Banana Sax alternate mounting, matchy matchy

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

AAAHH! Went to Riv site immediately after my response only to 
see that the Banana Sax is sold out! Woe is me...time for a WTB post...

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[RBW] Re: Banana Sax alternate mounting, matchy matchy

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Joe! That is really helpful to see and it makes me wonder why I've not 
yet ordered a Banana Sax to mount on the Bullmoose bars on the Hunq. I'm so 
spoiled from the Berthouds that I have on the AHH and MAP that I kind of don't 
like to ride a bike without a front bag. 

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[RBW] Re: 53 cm LWB Atlantis test ride

[Jan O.]

Very comfortable, stable and responsive is what I experienced as well when 
I had a chance to briefly ride the new Atlantis @ RBW HQ few weeks ago. 
Will be picking up my 56/650B this coming Friday and will post a couple 
photos.

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[RBW] Wool at 100*+

[Cameron Murphy]

I don't ride in truly hot weather, but here in dryish southern California, I 
find even heavy weight wool to work as well or better than synthetics.  Once 
you sweat through, you get a lot of evaporative cooling.  (At least when 
moving.  I wouldn't recommend wool for just standing around in the sun.). I try 
not to ride in temps over 110°, but I wouldn't hesitate to grab a wool jersey 
in the low 100's.

I can also heartily recommend mesh wicking base layers.  I have ones from 
DeFeet and Craft that both really help in hot as well as cold weather.  
Subjectively, they make it feel ~5° cooler. They also seem to cut down on the 
salt stains on my jerseys, extending the washing intervals. (Doesn't really 
make sense, as salt should just wick right along, but they seem to help.)

Cameron Murphy
San Marcos, CA

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Re: [RBW] FS: Velocity Cliffhanger wheelset, Luxos U headlight

[Mike Williams]

700c

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Tailwinds14  wrote:
> 
> Are these 700 or 27.5?
> Beth
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[RBW] Re: FS: Velocity Cliffhanger wheelset, Luxos U headlight

[adam leibow]

Mike, i am interested in the wheels - please text me (310) 963 6959. the 
email associated with my username is defunct and i can't email privately 
anymore. thanks

On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 7:05:04 PM UTC-7, mkernan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey group, For sale is a very gently used,  very good condition Velocity 
> Cliffhanger wheelset. 36holes. Schmidt SON dynamo front hub/ XT rear hub. 
> Both hubs are standard quick release. Wheels are straight and true.
> $450 + shipping
> Tires are Maxxis Ikon 2.25, can be included in sale for extra $70.
>
> Also, a B and M Luxos U( with USB charger) $90+shipping.  
>
> Please contact off list.Thank you!   -Mike
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Velocity Cliffhanger wheelset, Luxos U headlight

[Tailwinds14]

Are these 700 or 27.5?
Beth

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[RBW] Wool at 100*+

[Dave Grossman]

I wear wool socks in the humid Chicago summer... Way better than synthetics 
IMHO.  

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[RBW] Re: Videos by Blue Lug

[ctifusion]

Very cool. I follow these guys on Instagram and love looking at their shop. 
My buddy is gong to Japan this fall and she is going to go and get us some 
t-shirts and stickers.

Brynnar
Indy

On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 8:38:36 AM UTC-4, Takashi wrote:
>
> A Blue Lug staff made a couple of nice videos featuring Riv bikes.
> You can watch them here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m42xOhm33vo
> and here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmHviL6Jf1Y
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[ctifusion]

Thanks John and Michael,
I don't have a direct comparison to the recent riv models. My last Riv was 
a Quickbeam that I bought in 2006 and just sold this year. I loved the ride 
of the QB but I wanted to have a geared Riv and I also realized that as I 
got older (and fatter!) I really like big, stable bikes. I am happy to say 
that compared to my Surly LHT the Atlantis is a complex and interesting 
ride that gives tons of feedback without ever feeling noodle-y. I've heard 
people hypothesize that the extra tube doesn't do anything or that it makes 
the frame over stiff. All I can say it that it's much more solid than the 
QB but still feels like a fancy, well-designed steel bicycle. I can notice 
the length of the wheelbase and that is my favorite part. It feels like you 
ride "in" the bike and that the bike carries you more. Hard to explain.

I noticed that the water bottle cages are a bit lower than normal but I 
can't tell a difference when using my bottle.

I definitely recommend the big Crust bars if you are attracted to the idea. 
They have an email sign-up that I think will get you on a list for when 
they come out with another run. Otherwise, I'm sure that most people would 
love this bike with the wide noodles too.

Hey Virgil, didn't I sell you a LD stem once? Maybe we should go for a ride.

Best,
Brynnar



On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 2:46:12 AM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Hot! Love the drops!
> Will be very interested in hearing about ride quality, comparrisons vs. 
> shorter wheelbase bike.I'd also be on a 59. Love my Sam, but I've always 
> lusted after an Atlantis, and this one, with dropsoh my.
>
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:35:23 PM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just finished my Atlantis build and I couldn't be happier. I've been 
>> coveting (and riding) Bridgestones and Rivendells since the 90s and, though 
>> I had a Quickbeam and still have vintage B-stones and a bunch of vintage 
>> bikes, my last major/modern build was based around a 60cm LHT with 26-inch 
>> wheels and Compass RTP tires. Just couldn't justify/afford a Rivendell 
>> build five years ago. And that's ok, the LHT has served me well and will 
>> continue to be my rough weather/winter bike. But I've been wanting a new, 
>> geared Rivendell for a long time.
>>
>> The sizing on the Sams was just off enough for me (I'm right between the 
>> 58 and 62) to pass on it the couple times I got serious and I never took a 
>> serious look at the Appaloosa. I have a collection of vintage 80s mountain 
>> bikes that are just too close to justify getting a Clem. So when I saw the 
>> new Atlantis I was hooked. I have always loved the color and I've been 
>> dying to try the modern long wheelbase Rivs. 
>>
>> I've built a lot of bikes with different versions of the classic riv 
>> build so I was looking to do something different and (in my mind) modern. I 
>> decided on a 1x11 (ended up with a 1x10), fat tires, and the super wide 
>> Crust bars (swapped from my LHT which will go back to an upright bar). I 
>> was worried about having to use a couple black parts to make the 1x10 set 
>> up work but I think it looks pretty cool. I can do a full parts list if 
>> anyone is interested.
>>
>> I will still use my LHT for the majority of my committing and winter/rain 
>> riding. The Atlantis will be used for longer rides and hopefully adding 
>> some more serious mileage to my routine. I've seen my pleasure riding 
>> diminish recently, so it's time for a new bike and some new roads.
>>
>> I finished it last night and was able to get a few miles on it before 
>> dark (and of course it's been raining all day today!). I immediately found 
>> it a really engaging ride, especially compared to the LHT which is stable 
>> but a bit "dead." I'm a big guy and the combination of the stout frame, 
>> long wheelbase, and fat Compass 55cm tires makes for a stable and lively 
>> ride. I LOVE the extended read end, especially when cornering and 
>> accelerating from a seated position. I'll post a more detailed ride update 
>> with the rain clears.
>>
>> I should note that it took 2 chains because of the wheelbase, other than 
>> that everything went smoothly on the build.
>>
>> Best,
>> Brynnar
>> Indy
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Videos by Blue Lug

[Takashi]

A Blue Lug staff made a couple of nice videos featuring Riv bikes.
You can watch them here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m42xOhm33vo
and here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmHviL6Jf1Y

Enjoy!

Takashi

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Re: [RBW] Re: 53 cm LWB Atlantis test ride

[hugh flynn]

Longboard is good!


On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:26 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Longboard Atlantis.
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[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[John Bokman]

Hot! Love the drops!
Will be very interested in hearing about ride quality, comparrisons vs. 
shorter wheelbase bike.I'd also be on a 59. Love my Sam, but I've always 
lusted after an Atlantis, and this one, with dropsoh my.

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:35:23 PM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just finished my Atlantis build and I couldn't be happier. I've been 
> coveting (and riding) Bridgestones and Rivendells since the 90s and, though 
> I had a Quickbeam and still have vintage B-stones and a bunch of vintage 
> bikes, my last major/modern build was based around a 60cm LHT with 26-inch 
> wheels and Compass RTP tires. Just couldn't justify/afford a Rivendell 
> build five years ago. And that's ok, the LHT has served me well and will 
> continue to be my rough weather/winter bike. But I've been wanting a new, 
> geared Rivendell for a long time.
>
> The sizing on the Sams was just off enough for me (I'm right between the 
> 58 and 62) to pass on it the couple times I got serious and I never took a 
> serious look at the Appaloosa. I have a collection of vintage 80s mountain 
> bikes that are just too close to justify getting a Clem. So when I saw the 
> new Atlantis I was hooked. I have always loved the color and I've been 
> dying to try the modern long wheelbase Rivs. 
>
> I've built a lot of bikes with different versions of the classic riv build 
> so I was looking to do something different and (in my mind) modern. I 
> decided on a 1x11 (ended up with a 1x10), fat tires, and the super wide 
> Crust bars (swapped from my LHT which will go back to an upright bar). I 
> was worried about having to use a couple black parts to make the 1x10 set 
> up work but I think it looks pretty cool. I can do a full parts list if 
> anyone is interested.
>
> I will still use my LHT for the majority of my committing and winter/rain 
> riding. The Atlantis will be used for longer rides and hopefully adding 
> some more serious mileage to my routine. I've seen my pleasure riding 
> diminish recently, so it's time for a new bike and some new roads.
>
> I finished it last night and was able to get a few miles on it before dark 
> (and of course it's been raining all day today!). I immediately found it a 
> really engaging ride, especially compared to the LHT which is stable but a 
> bit "dead." I'm a big guy and the combination of the stout frame, long 
> wheelbase, and fat Compass 55cm tires makes for a stable and lively ride. I 
> LOVE the extended read end, especially when cornering and accelerating from 
> a seated position. I'll post a more detailed ride update with the rain 
> clears.
>
> I should note that it took 2 chains because of the wheelbase, other than 
> that everything went smoothly on the build.
>
> Best,
> Brynnar
> Indy
>
>
>

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