Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Ed, you're probably right. My saddle height is usually about 70cm, so my pbh 
may be 81 or 82. Hey, I'm taller! 

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[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[ctifusion]

Tully,

Thanks! And yes, mine were the first run. If you think you'll like them get on 
their list. I love the ultra wide bars

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[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[Tully Lanter]

Don't think I could imagine a nicer-looking build than that. May it serve 
you well!

Intriguing bars, by the way. Are these 
 the ones? 

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:35:23 PM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just finished my Atlantis build and I couldn't be happier. I've been 
> coveting (and riding) Bridgestones and Rivendells since the 90s and, though 
> I had a Quickbeam and still have vintage B-stones and a bunch of vintage 
> bikes, my last major/modern build was based around a 60cm LHT with 26-inch 
> wheels and Compass RTP tires. Just couldn't justify/afford a Rivendell 
> build five years ago. And that's ok, the LHT has served me well and will 
> continue to be my rough weather/winter bike. But I've been wanting a new, 
> geared Rivendell for a long time.
>
> The sizing on the Sams was just off enough for me (I'm right between the 
> 58 and 62) to pass on it the couple times I got serious and I never took a 
> serious look at the Appaloosa. I have a collection of vintage 80s mountain 
> bikes that are just too close to justify getting a Clem. So when I saw the 
> new Atlantis I was hooked. I have always loved the color and I've been 
> dying to try the modern long wheelbase Rivs. 
>
> I've built a lot of bikes with different versions of the classic riv build 
> so I was looking to do something different and (in my mind) modern. I 
> decided on a 1x11 (ended up with a 1x10), fat tires, and the super wide 
> Crust bars (swapped from my LHT which will go back to an upright bar). I 
> was worried about having to use a couple black parts to make the 1x10 set 
> up work but I think it looks pretty cool. I can do a full parts list if 
> anyone is interested.
>
> I will still use my LHT for the majority of my committing and winter/rain 
> riding. The Atlantis will be used for longer rides and hopefully adding 
> some more serious mileage to my routine. I've seen my pleasure riding 
> diminish recently, so it's time for a new bike and some new roads.
>
> I finished it last night and was able to get a few miles on it before dark 
> (and of course it's been raining all day today!). I immediately found it a 
> really engaging ride, especially compared to the LHT which is stable but a 
> bit "dead." I'm a big guy and the combination of the stout frame, long 
> wheelbase, and fat Compass 55cm tires makes for a stable and lively ride. I 
> LOVE the extended read end, especially when cornering and accelerating from 
> a seated position. I'll post a more detailed ride update with the rain 
> clears.
>
> I should note that it took 2 chains because of the wheelbase, other than 
> that everything went smoothly on the build.
>
> Best,
> Brynnar
> Indy
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Ed Fausto]

*"My pbh is 79-80 (I've never done a super accurate measurement) and I ride
with regular running shoes so add a little height there."*

Hi Joe, looking at your 55 Cheviot, you may have higher pbh.  I once bought
a 55 Cheviot but sold it since I need to shove the seat post all the way
down even with my 79.5 pbh.

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 2:12 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Tom, it's a great color that is just about impossible to show accurately
> on computer/phone screens. It doesn't even stay the same from living room
> to outside the front door..inside there's a ton of green showing, then the
> sun hits and all this yellow pops out! It's a great color that Riv doesn't
> look to be doing again, so get it now if you find one.
>
> My "normal size" for a not-very-sloping toptube is in the 53-55cm range,
> but I seem to like crazy long toptubes for pullback bars. With Rivs I think
> that's the place to look; don't even think about the seattube as long as
> the saddle isn't completely slammed. My pbh is 79-80 (I've never done a
> super accurate measurement) and I ride with regular running shoes so add a
> little height there. The reach with Boscos is bolt-upright even after
> dropping it since taking those shots, but it feels mellow and cool on this
> frame. I'll probably be inclined to cut an inch off, but I'm going to
> resist that a while and use the different hand positions available.
> Gripping in one spot all day is a habit I'm trying to break.
>
> Oh, another reach comparison, I have a 55 Cheviot with chopped Boscos. It
> has a bit shorter cockpit, as befits that it's more of a country/road bike;
> Clem is a mountain bike.
>
> The Velo-Orange saddle came with the bike and I know nothing about it. The
> plan is to put my ti B17 on, but for the short ride I did yesterday the V-O
> was pretty nice! I was surprised, I'm notoriously finicky about saddles.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Albatross Cockpit w/ Paul Levers, Silver Shifters

[Birdman]

Cockpit is SOLD. 


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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[ctifusion]

That's a really good looking Chev. 

Brynnar
Indy

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Mushroom Man]

I agree with Fullylugged, comfy from day 1. I prefer it over my Brooks but 
perhaps the B17 just needs to be broken in more. The Anatomica does seem to 
sag easily, the Brooks feels more sturdy. 

On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 9:33:11 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Anyone have anything to say about theirs?
> Like it?
> Compared to Brooks?

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[RBW] FS: Albatross Cockpit w/ Paul Levers, Silver Shifters

[Birdman]

Hi all,

I’m parting with this gorgeous, gently used Albatross Cockpit. I could part it 
out, but it’s so beautiful that I’d like to try to sell it complete first. 

Heat treated Albatross Bars
120mm Deluxe stem
Paul Canti Levera
Silver Shifters (including pieces to convert to DT shifters)
Amber shellacked cork grips and yellow cloth tape

This cockpit was on a 65cm Atlantis for about a month’s worth of use before I 
switched back to noodles. There should be plenty of length in cable housing for 
most bikes. A couple of marks here and there but in very nice shape overall.

I’m asking $250 plus shipping 

pics are here: https://flickr.com/photos/38306928@N00/sets/72157696883812751

Thanks,

Isaac

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Re: [RBW] Wool at 100*+

[Joe Bunik]

Patrick! Do tell, where does one find a nice merino Sugino jersey?

Occasionally think about rolling my own Suntour iron-ons.
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 6/26/18, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> It was 101 or so when I left for a church building committee meeting at
> 5:30 pm, wearing a nice merino Sugino jersey. Humidity was well below 10%,
> probably close to 5%.
>
> Soft merino, even if not particularly thin, works very well in such hot,
> dry climates; as comfortable as the synthetics I have, though I daresay
> these would be more comfortable when the humidity got much above 20%.
>
> Patrick Moore, who took the long way in, and the shorter way home at 9:30
> with an almost full moon.
>
> FWIW.
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Re: [RBW] Socketed Seat Lug on a Hunqapillar

[iamkeith]

Only asking this because I'm naturally curious about and interested in such 
things - not such use I have any actual experience:

A fillet joint wouldn't really be the alternative here, would it?  I 
thought the alternative was the "spoons" type connection, where a shaped 
piece is socketed into the top of the stay, and then that piece is brazed 
to the side of the seat tube/top tube cluster.  And I thought that the 
brass (or silver?) brazing material provided ALL of the strength in that 
type of connection, where the seat stay is basically in compression.  Grant 
once made a comment about "understanding shear forces" in discussing the 
new ball sockets so I thought that, in addition to streamlining 
construction techniques, he was trying to eliminate the shear forces that 
would otherwise occur through the brazing filler material. 

 Wouldn't a fillet joint be more accurate in a case where the stays butt 
into the back of the seat tube?  Mountain bikes usually have this, but then 
they bend outward to allow for more tire clearance.  My old MB-1 has this 
condition, even where the rest of the bike is lugged.  I don't think I've 
ever seen a Rivendell use that detail though. 

I personally think the original Clem Smith Jr. sockets (originally intended 
for the "tall bike" project) are by far the nicest connection looking 
ever.   But there's no way to adjust the angle for different size frames 
obviously, without having multiple castings.  Maybe now that Riv is moving 
toward proportional chainstay lengths it could work?  
 

On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 5:25:13 AM UTC-6, Peter White wrote:
>
> It's easier to get a fillet wrong. I got one wrong when I was building 
> frames 20 years ago and it cracked. If you get the fillet right it can be 
> lighter and more attractive. But if I were designing a frame to be 
> inexpensive to make and strong, I'd forget about using fillets.
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 PM Stephen W.  > wrote:
>
>> I'm not a frame builder. But I have a question for those that certainly 
>> know more about bicycles/frames/lugs. Is the new socketed lug as strong, 
>> perhaps stronger, than brazing the seat stays to the outside of the lug? 
>> Just wondering. 
>>
>> I've attached some pics, I think.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Stephen 
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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Btw, now that I have a bike box with packing materials (excellent job, Alex 
Wirth at Yellow Haus!) and too many bikes (again), I guess I'm going to try to 
sell my Chev. I know, I go through bikes faster than Igor..mid-to-later-in-life 
crisis!

I'll do a proper FS post after I've chatted with one fellow who's already 
expressed some interest in it, he gets first refusal. Wide-low Sugino double, 
105 fd, Deore rd, SunRace thumbie front, Deore RapidFire 9 rear. Velocity 650B 
rims, Deore LX rear hub, Shimani dynohub, B Eyc T light, Conti Double Fighter 
(?) 2.0 tires, I also have some Fatty Rumpkins and 33mm Speedblends we could 
discuss. 

No saddle (unless you want that nifty V-O), pedals, rack or fenders,
$1900 shipped Bike Flights

https://photos.app.goo.gl/bdru98VnhVifexXc7

Joe "buy high, sell low" Bernard
Novato CA. 

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[RBW] FS: 29er/700C wheelset - xt hubs, mavic rims, 36h, silver. And new Maxxis Ikons

[adam leibow]

Hello! As the title states, I'm selling a Rivvy 29er/700c wheelset. I 
bought it used and it has lived on my Hunqapillar and Sam Hillborne. 

*spec's are as follows:*
- 622mm BSD (700c or 29er)
- XT HB-M760 hubs - quick release, 100F, 135R OLD spacing
- Mavic A719 Rims (very similar profile & width as Atlas or Synergy on 
Riv-standard wheelsets)
- 36h front and rear
- DT straight gauge spokes. 

I think that's it, am I forgetting anything? The rear bearings *are *a 
little notchy and slow when you spin them with your fingers, but not really 
noticeable when riding. Front bearings spin great. 

I also have a set of 29er Maxxis IKON 2.4"ers in black sidewall. they are 
the 120tpi tubeless ready version (nice). They have under 10 soft dirt 
miles on them and are virtually brand new except some dirt. 

Price for wheels alone = $120, price for wheels & tires = $200. Local 
pickup in SF (either Soma or Ocean Beach). Otherwise, please add actual 
shipping if you need them shipped. 

Please text me (3IO) nine sixz three - sizx nien 59. If you direct email me 
i won't see it. 

Thanks!!!
Adam


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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Patrick Moore]

Would prefer a device that has a removable "wand" with a small bracket that
can bolt to the seat or chain stay, so that the wand can be removed.

Has anyone used this? Will it clamp to a fattish seat or chain stay?

https://www.amazon.com/Walky-Dog-Exerciser-strength-Paracord/dp/B003OYIAW4?tag=tdt01-20

Of course, they don't bother to tell you the largest and smallest diameters
that the clamp will fit.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Well, not quite "on" nor quite "Riv", but "beside" and "Hon Solo" which
> was a Dahon fixed model with an official build nod to Rivendell.
>
> I seem to recall this being discussed before, but I can't find the thread.
> Is there a safe and effective or usable (2 "must" qualities) device that
> attaches to your bike, to which you can attach a leash so that the dog is
> held a safe distance from the bike?
>
> The device can attach either to frame (tho' the HS doesn't have the
> diamond design) or to a rear rack.
>
> I've seen such things advertised, but I'd like to get others' real world
> experience with whatever such device they may have used.
>
> What have you used, and how did it work?
>
> The photo shows the HS before I attached the folder-specific rack.
>
> Riv content, from interview with Dahon's Product Dev Mgr:
>
> ... the selection of retro components (Brooks,
> Sugino, Nitto Moustache, Suzue) are inspired by one of my mentors
> Grant Petersen of Rivendell. It all just came together perfectly.
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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Joe
I really like the color combo with the saddle and grips.
Clean looking bike

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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Edit: Cheviot has chopped Chocos, not Bosco. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/NmXCbvDKbxuxwrmL2

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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Tom, it's a great color that is just about impossible to show accurately on 
computer/phone screens. It doesn't even stay the same from living room to 
outside the front door..inside there's a ton of green showing, then the sun 
hits and all this yellow pops out! It's a great color that Riv doesn't look to 
be doing again, so get it now if you find one. 

My "normal size" for a not-very-sloping toptube is in the 53-55cm range, but I 
seem to like crazy long toptubes for pullback bars. With Rivs I think that's 
the place to look; don't even think about the seattube as long as the saddle 
isn't completely slammed. My pbh is 79-80 (I've never done a super accurate 
measurement) and I ride with regular running shoes so add a little height 
there. The reach with Boscos is bolt-upright even after dropping it since 
taking those shots, but it feels mellow and cool on this frame. I'll probably 
be inclined to cut an inch off, but I'm going to resist that a while and use 
the different hand positions available. Gripping in one spot all day is a habit 
I'm trying to break. 

Oh, another reach comparison, I have a 55 Cheviot with chopped Boscos. It has a 
bit shorter cockpit, as befits that it's more of a country/road bike; Clem is a 
mountain bike. 

The Velo-Orange saddle came with the bike and I know nothing about it. The plan 
is to put my ti B17 on, but for the short ride I did yesterday the V-O was 
pretty nice! I was surprised, I'm notoriously finicky about saddles. 

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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Tom Wyland]

Wow, it looks great in that color! I've been on the fence about a mustard H 
as well. What's your "regular" size for a bike? Just curious how the reach 
compares with your setup.  I also have the Velo Orange saddle on one of my 
bikes. 

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Patrick Moore]

Icky! I like 5%.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Belopsky 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Belopsky]

Oh how nice it must be to be riding in 10% humidity.

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I wanted to mention to not over tighten the leather. *Tighten it just 
enough to take out the slack*.  My tension bolt would loosen on it's own, 
as there wasn't enough leather tension to keep the bolt from unwinding. I 
used blue Locktite on the nose bolts, and tensioned them just enough to 
take the slack out. You sit *'in it'* more than a Brooks, more like a 
hammock. Tension and tilt are a bit finicky to get right, but when you do, 
experience butt bliss.  Beware of over tightening, and adjust when the 
leather is cold and it should last a long time. My heaviest use saddle is 
going on four years old and I have years (of tension bolt length) left. 

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On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 9:33:11 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
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> Anyone have anything to say about theirs?
> Like it?
> Compared to Brooks?

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Re: [RBW] Socketed Seat Lug on a Hunqapillar

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would think that the socketed seat cluster would be stronger and heavier. 
There is quite a bit more surface area for the brass/silver to adhere to, 
in the sockets and on the ball.  

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On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 4:25:13 AM UTC-7, Peter White wrote:
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> It's easier to get a fillet wrong. I got one wrong when I was building 
> frames 20 years ago and it cracked. If you get the fillet right it can be 
> lighter and more attractive. But if I were designing a frame to be 
> inexpensive to make and strong, I'd forget about using fillets.
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 PM Stephen W.  > wrote:
>
>> I'm not a frame builder. But I have a question for those that certainly 
>> know more about bicycles/frames/lugs. Is the new socketed lug as strong, 
>> perhaps stronger, than brazing the seat stays to the outside of the lug? 
>> Just wondering. 
>>
>> I've attached some pics, I think.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Stephen 
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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[RichS]

Joe, congratulations! It's exciting - the color and handlebars make your 
Clem H scream FUN!

Best, 
Richard 

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> Isn't it awesome? The Saluki used to come in a similar shade (or two..I 
> think I've seen a couple variations on that bike) and I always wanted one.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Patrick Moore]

I've tried riding in woven, structured shirts, and dislike both aspects --
I find the woven cloth less comfortable than knit, and they bind when I
lean forward on shoulders, armpits, and neck. The exception are my Hawaiian
shirts, which I deliberately wear large, when they are not tucked in, but
then I dislike the flapping in the inevitable wind. It's knits and stretch
for me.

I found a wonderful, new Pendleton wool shirt in the thrift store and
thought it might be just the thing for cool weather riding; nope, shoulders
tight, sleeves rode up, neck restricted, so I reluctantly gave it  away.

Too bad that the RUSA jersey is special order (and I'd be out of place
wearing one anyway, rather like wearing a World Champion jersey).

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Yeah, keep in mind my “jersey” is a plaid woven light cotton long sleeve
> work shirt, ala chambray. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Socketed Seat Lug on a Hunqapillar

[hugh flynn]

I would argue the sockets make cutting the tubes easier and faster
(straight cut vs miters), allow the stays to be wider apart to accommodate
wider tires without bending/shaping, and as Peter notes assemble more
quickly via brazing vs filet. In other words, I suspect the lug caps
accommodate quicker/less error prone assembly. I don’t know that the
objective is a stronger joint although that could well be a benefit of this
method.

Hugh “not a builder” Flynn
Newburyport, MA


On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 7:25 AM Peter White  wrote:

> It's easier to get a fillet wrong. I got one wrong when I was building
> frames 20 years ago and it cracked. If you get the fillet right it can be
> lighter and more attractive. But if I were designing a frame to be
> inexpensive to make and strong, I'd forget about using fillets.
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 PM Stephen W. 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not a frame builder. But I have a question for those that certainly
>> know more about bicycles/frames/lugs. Is the new socketed lug as strong,
>> perhaps stronger, than brazing the seat stays to the outside of the lug?
>> Just wondering.
>>
>> I've attached some pics, I think.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Stephen
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[RBW] Re: FS: Hub Area Racks

[phil k]

Sorry email is philipw...@gmail.com.

Thanks!

Phil 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Hub Area Racks

[phil k]

Bill on mobile but I'm interested

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Re: [RBW] Socketed Seat Lug on a Hunqapillar

[Peter White]

It's easier to get a fillet wrong. I got one wrong when I was building
frames 20 years ago and it cracked. If you get the fillet right it can be
lighter and more attractive. But if I were designing a frame to be
inexpensive to make and strong, I'd forget about using fillets.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 PM Stephen W. 
wrote:

> I'm not a frame builder. But I have a question for those that certainly
> know more about bicycles/frames/lugs. Is the new socketed lug as strong,
> perhaps stronger, than brazing the seat stays to the outside of the lug?
> Just wondering.
>
> I've attached some pics, I think.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Stephen
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[RBW] Re: Want To Read (WTR): MIT Atlantis Rose Report and Comparisons

[Lester Lammers]

Agreed. 

On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 6:54:27 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> Now I'm inspired. I had a nice 2 hr test ride on a 53 last week. Been 
> traveling & can't write too well on phone. Home soon so will post 
> impressions & comparison to my '03 58 Atlantis.
>
> BTW, *I'm calling the new ones "LWB" as that's much more important than 
> origin.*
>
> dougP
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[RBW] Re: Recent Hunq Trip on the Erie

[Marc Irwin]

What i did the first night in Buffalo was get to the trailhead,  rode a few 
miles down the trail,  found a quiet wooded area and setup.  I setup late and 
left early.  There was no problem.  

Marc

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[RBW] I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Isn't it awesome? The Saluki used to come in a similar shade (or two..I think 
I've seen a couple variations on that bike) and I always wanted one.  

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[RBW] I got a new Clem!

[ctifusion]

Love that color.

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