[RBW] Coffeeneuring Complete!

[Lum Gim Fong]

Wow! That is crisis weather here in Maryland!
Just goes to show what can be done on a bike in the winter.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Orange Roadini frame 54cm

[Lum Gim Fong]

Hows the Ti feel to ride?
I have only heard them described as “whippy”, whatever that means (planes?).

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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Awesome ride, Bill!  Nice to see Leo perform so well.

Toshi


On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 8:48 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The poster previously known as Michael Levan, now known as Lum Gim Fong
> asked "Why not?" swap out my Leo Roadini for a different bike made of 6/4/6
> tubing.  He said I can have the fit and handling of a Leo Roadini, so I
> assume he means that he is recommending that I order a Custom Rivendell
> made with Leo Roadini geometry but with lighter, flexier tubing.  Assuming
> that is what he is recommending, then the list of Why Nots would include:
>
> 1. The Leo Roadini was $900, and a Rivendell Custom is $3500
> 2. A frame that weighs one pound less would make me plus my bike weigh
> 0.5% less.  I would be 0.5% faster on climbs, exactly the same speed on
> flats, and very slightly slower on descents.. In order to measure these
> things, I would have to do a detailed statistical analysis of Strava data.
> In other words, I would not look for it ,and not looking for it would mean
> I would not find it.
>
> Alternatively, Michael Levan (Lum Gim Fong) might have meant "why not buy
> a Roadeo instead?".  The list of "why nots" for a Roadeo would include:
>
> 1. The Leo Roadini was $900, and a Roadeo is $2600.
> 2. A Roadeo is a road race bike.  I'm not a road racer, and I don't use my
> Leo Roadini on road racing type rides.  I don't do 'club races'.  I don't
> do local crits.  The extra stability and comfort of a Leo Roadini are not
> detriments (for me).
> 3.  A frame that weighs one pound less would make me plus my bike weigh
> 0.5% less.  I would be 0.5% faster on climbs, exactly the same speed on
> flats, and very slightly slower on descents.. In order to measure these
> things, I'd have to do a detailed statistical analysis of Strava data.  In
> other words, I would not look for it ,and not looking for it would mean I
> would not find it.
>
> I get it that ML(LGF) for years dwelled on flexy tubing bikes, presumably
> from reading Jan Heine stuff.  Jan Heine knows that the weight of the bike
> doesn't matter.  Jan Heine prefers the feel of a flexier bike, but
> acknowledges that is an extremely nuanced, very subtle feeling.  The fact
> that ML(LGF) claims dramatic differences in 'feel' and large (~10%)
> differences in speed tells me that ML(LGF) wants his Roadeo to be a LOT
> faster, and so it is.  If you want your newest, lightest, raciest bike to
> be the best thing ever, you can easily convince yourself it is true.
> Personally, I want to have a huge stable of bikes. I want them to all be
> awesome in their own way. I want them all to be fun to ride and I want to
> enjoy all of them, and so I do. Human beings can convince themselves of all
> sorts of things, including me. I'm anticipating the day when ML(LGF) finds
> a used STANDARD DIAMETER 7/4/7 bike and finds that is EVEN BETTER than his
> Roadeo.
>
> There are things about the Roadeo that are distinctly desirable, and if
> you want one, and can afford one, you should buy one and try to enjoy it. I
> have no doubt in my mind that if I buy a Roadeo down the road I will enjoy
> it. There is no chance whatsoever that I'll be 10% faster on it. There are
> things that are distinctly desirable about the Leo Roadini, and if you want
> one and can afford one, you should buy one and try to enjoy it.  If you are
> incapable of enjoying a Leo Roadini, that says something about you, not the
> bike.  Don't get me wrong.  There are objectively bad bikes out there.  The
> Leo Roadini is not one of them.  The Roadeo is a great bike also.
> Different, but also great. I'm happy for ML(LGF) that he found a used
> Roadeo at a price he wanted to pay. I'm glad he enthusiastically likes it.
> It bums me out that he needs to insist that all his previous Rivendells
> 'fought him on hills'. I think his other bikes are also great and deserve
> to be enjoyed. If he can no longer enjoy them, I hope he moves them to
> people who can.
>
> Bill 'defender of all bikes' Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>
> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 3:22:32 PM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> You can have fit, good handling, and a good build on a 6/4/6 Rivendell,
>> too. Why not?
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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Lum Gim Fong]

Bill:
You totally misunderstood what I typed.
I wasn’t saying you would have the handling of a Rodini. I was not suggesting 
that you buy a custom. I was not even talking to you.

I was just throwing the idea out there that a person can also have those 
benchmarks mentioned while also having a 646 bike. Sorry for the confusion. I 
am not a good writer.

I have sold my Sam and two Bleriots. They were great bikes but when I decide 
not to commute because I am bummed out by the hills it’s time to look for 
something that rides better for me. Now I don’t fear the hills. Now recovery is 
quicker, enabling me to commute more days per week and have more fun. More 
efficient bike= less energy spent= quicker recovery from less exhaustion.

The rodeo does that for me. But that is what I’m looking for in a bike. 
Everyone here has something they’re looking for in a bike and the cool thing is 
that Rivendell makes so many models just about everybody can find something 
that works for them. I think every bike they make are equally good, just 
different.

PS- I’m keeping my 858 Ram!😀

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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

The poster previously known as Michael Levan, now known as Lum Gim Fong 
asked "Why not?" swap out my Leo Roadini for a different bike made of 6/4/6 
tubing.  He said I can have the fit and handling of a Leo Roadini, so I 
assume he means that he is recommending that I order a Custom Rivendell 
made with Leo Roadini geometry but with lighter, flexier tubing.  Assuming 
that is what he is recommending, then the list of Why Nots would include:

1. The Leo Roadini was $900, and a Rivendell Custom is $3500
2. A frame that weighs one pound less would make me plus my bike weigh 0.5% 
less.  I would be 0.5% faster on climbs, exactly the same speed on flats, 
and very slightly slower on descents.. In order to measure these things, I 
would have to do a detailed statistical analysis of Strava data.  In other 
words, I would not look for it ,and not looking for it would mean I would 
not find it.  

Alternatively, Michael Levan (Lum Gim Fong) might have meant "why not buy a 
Roadeo instead?".  The list of "why nots" for a Roadeo would include:

1. The Leo Roadini was $900, and a Roadeo is $2600.
2. A Roadeo is a road race bike.  I'm not a road racer, and I don't use my 
Leo Roadini on road racing type rides.  I don't do 'club races'.  I don't 
do local crits.  The extra stability and comfort of a Leo Roadini are not 
detriments (for me). 
3.  A frame that weighs one pound less would make me plus my bike weigh 
0.5% less.  I would be 0.5% faster on climbs, exactly the same speed on 
flats, and very slightly slower on descents.. In order to measure these 
things, I'd have to do a detailed statistical analysis of Strava data.  In 
other words, I would not look for it ,and not looking for it would mean I 
would not find it.  

I get it that ML(LGF) for years dwelled on flexy tubing bikes, presumably 
from reading Jan Heine stuff.  Jan Heine knows that the weight of the bike 
doesn't matter.  Jan Heine prefers the feel of a flexier bike, but 
acknowledges that is an extremely nuanced, very subtle feeling.  The fact 
that ML(LGF) claims dramatic differences in 'feel' and large (~10%) 
differences in speed tells me that ML(LGF) wants his Roadeo to be a LOT 
faster, and so it is.  If you want your newest, lightest, raciest bike to 
be the best thing ever, you can easily convince yourself it is true.  
Personally, I want to have a huge stable of bikes. I want them to all be 
awesome in their own way. I want them all to be fun to ride and I want to 
enjoy all of them, and so I do. Human beings can convince themselves of all 
sorts of things, including me. I'm anticipating the day when ML(LGF) finds 
a used STANDARD DIAMETER 7/4/7 bike and finds that is EVEN BETTER than his 
Roadeo.  

There are things about the Roadeo that are distinctly desirable, and if you 
want one, and can afford one, you should buy one and try to enjoy it. I 
have no doubt in my mind that if I buy a Roadeo down the road I will enjoy 
it. There is no chance whatsoever that I'll be 10% faster on it. There are 
things that are distinctly desirable about the Leo Roadini, and if you want 
one and can afford one, you should buy one and try to enjoy it.  If you are 
incapable of enjoying a Leo Roadini, that says something about you, not the 
bike.  Don't get me wrong.  There are objectively bad bikes out there.  The 
Leo Roadini is not one of them.  The Roadeo is a great bike also.  
Different, but also great. I'm happy for ML(LGF) that he found a used 
Roadeo at a price he wanted to pay. I'm glad he enthusiastically likes it. 
It bums me out that he needs to insist that all his previous Rivendells 
'fought him on hills'. I think his other bikes are also great and deserve 
to be enjoyed. If he can no longer enjoy them, I hope he moves them to 
people who can. 

Bill 'defender of all bikes' Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 3:22:32 PM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> You can have fit, good handling, and a good build on a 6/4/6 Rivendell, 
> too. Why not?

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[RBW] Coffeeneuring Complete!

[ascpgh]

Wow. Stunning pics documenting the arrival of winter. I can smell the coffee 
now, and hear the unique sound of each day’s snow crunching under your feet.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Dave Grossman]

Bill, great write up.  I was going to PM you with some Roadini questions as 
I have been dead set on finding a used Roadeo, and then you posted this.  
You bring up some valid points about weight, lugs, and overall usage.  This 
aint no crit racer.  Maybe a less expensive new Roadini is what I should be 
looking for after all.  

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Re: [RBW] FS: Orange Roadini frame 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

I think I posted on internet-bob..no Riv content (besides my shorts and gloves, 
not seen!) so I didn't show it here. Check out that oh so Rivvy headtube!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WFCHstVvdnZG1pFJ9

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[RBW] Tires for a new HHH build

[Max S]

I run the g-ones, whatever the thin / speedier version is at 27.5x2.35. Also 
tried 650x42 Hetres. The Hetres are actually great, but I wouldn’t mind having 
extra cushion for our “roads”. The g-ones seem to give it more flop than I’d 
prefer, although perhaps the pressure is low (30-35 psi?..), and maybe most of 
my riding is with my little kids, which don’t weight down the rear as much as a 
grownup would. I think the sweet spot is probably right in between. 

- Max “maybe someone wants to buy / trade for my G-Ones?..” in A2

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Re: [RBW] FS: Orange Roadini frame 54cm

[Edwin W]

Have we seen a picture of the Seven yet? I’d like to!

Without a bike shed, fiddling less, maybe I missed it,

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Tires for a new HHH build

[Ray Varella]

I bought a set of the G-ones  with the smaller dots for my HHH tandem but have 
not tried them. 
I’m running the big fat Schwalbe Super Moto tires on mine and couldn’t be 
happier with them. 
They get ridden on dirt, road, gravel etc...
Between those cushy tires and a sprung Brooks for the stoker, the bike is about 
as good as I would want. 

YMMV
Ray

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[RBW] The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Lum, I can’t seem to load photos through my IPad. If you go to my Instagram 
account, DirtDanceDesigns, you can find photos there, as well as some of my 
hacks. 
I miss my computer. ☹️

Clayton
DDD

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Re: [RBW] Tires for a new HHH build

[Patrick Moore]

I ride the earlier Big Ones with less tread than shown in your link
(smaller knobs, not really knobs at all), but if they are basically the
same tires, as I've read they are, then these are truly wonderful tires. As
I've said onlist before, I really think that mine (700C X 60) at 18 psi f/r
are as fast as my superlight Compass Elk Passes. And surprisingly durable
for tires so light -- true 60 mm on 30 or 35 mm wide rim, and 450 grams. I
run mine tubeless with Orange Seal.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:20 AM Randy Franks  wrote:

> Has anybody ridden Schwalbe G-One tires? Either the all arounders or the
> “bite” model? I was thinking 2” Big Bens initially. But these something
> with a little tread might be nice. Any other real world recommendations and
> experience with tires would be great to read, too.
>
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/2366
>
> A pretty reliable source recommended these for the HHH. Our frame arrives
> sometime later today (!!!).
>
> Our riding here in Portland, Ore, and environs will include fire roads and
> dirt country roads—some, not a lot—and the short stretches here in the city
> that remain unimproved for some reason.
>
>
>
> -Randy
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[RBW] The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Got a pic we can see?

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[RBW] The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My Atlantis weighs 31.4 lbs. as listed. I probably ride around five pounds 
heavier with a partial frame bag, top tube bag, rear Stuinniker bag with a 
Ti-bow lock, water bottle, windbreaker and tools.

Frame-Toyo, 1998 era, powder coated
Nitto 100mm dirt drop stem
Nitto WTB dirt drop bars from the 1980’s
Headset is a VeloOrange sealed bearing that is almost 20 years old. I have 
never pulled the seals or regreased it. No need. 
Carbon spacer
Front Hub is a Son dynamo
Rear hub is DT Swiss 350
Paul V-brakes
Nitto M-12 front rack.
Nitto medium rear rack from Riv
Rims are DT Xr 425
Selle Anatomica leather and steel saddle
Use carbon and aluminum laminated suspension seat post
Greenfield rear mount kickstand with two brass loops, twined and shellaced. 
Luxo U front light heavily modified
Rear tail light (wired with aluminum tubing to protect the wire along the 
rack). 
Kenda small block eight 2.35” tires
Regular weight tubes
SRAM XX1 mountain bike shifter heavily modified to work with drop bars
Sram XX1 carbon cranks, single ring
SRAM XX1 bottom bracket
SRAM XX1 rear derailleur
SRAM XX1 wide range cassette 11 speed
Shimano large platform XT pedals
Cane creek V-brake levers
Two King cage Ti cargo three bolt carriers on the fork, bolted onto an aluminum 
strut that goes from the mid fork braze-on to a little ‘L’ bottom strut that 
bolts to the fork tip dropout. 
Three King cage stainless water bottle cages
Cat eye urban computer 
Lizard skin bar tape over Grab On foam drop bar grips
Anti theft skewers, regular seat clamp bolt plugged with
Excellent, quality, bar end mirror I ordered off of Ebay from China. The 
diameter of the tube and wedge that slides into the handlebar was much too 
small, so I made an ABS shim. Not exactly ultra light, but excellent optics 
with just the right amount of fish eye. 
Shimano bulk cables and housing
One Brooks handlebar plug

Going from a three ring transmission to a lightweight single ring, carbon 
cranked one, was eye opening. I lose a little on each end, but I decide that 
coasting at speed was ok...I didn’t have to pedal Getting off to walk on 
the steepest trails was ok too. Carrying my bike up the stairs to my second 
floor apartment is now possible 😉. Damn, I’m getting old

Clayton
#DirtDanceDesigns. 

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[RBW] Bike weight

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My Atlantis weighs 31.4 lbs. as listed. I probably ride around five pounds 
heavier with a partial frame bag, top tube bag, rear Stuinniker bag with a 
Ti-bow lock, water bottle, windbreaker and tools.
Frame-Toyo, 1998 era, powder coatedNitto 100mm dirt drop stemNitto WTB dirt 
drop bars from the 1980’sHeadset is a VeloOrange sealed bearing that is almost 
20 years old. I have never pulled the seals or regreased it. No need. Carbon 
spacerFront Hub is a Son dynamoRear hub is DT Swiss 350Paul V-brakesNitto M-12 
front rack.Nitto medium rear rack from RivRims are DT Xr 425Selle Anatomica 
leather and steel saddleUse carbon and aluminum laminated suspension seat post
Greenfield rear mount kickstand with two brass loops, twined and shellaced. 
Luxo U front light heavily modifiedRear tail light (wired with aluminum tubing 
to protect the wire along the rack). Kenda small block eight 2.35” tiresRegular 
weight tubesSRAM XX1 mountain bike shifter heavily modified to work with drop 
barsSram XX1 carbon cranks, single ringSRAM XX1 bottom bracketSRAM XX1 rear 
derailleurSRAM XX1 wide range cassette 11 speedShimano large platform XT 
pedalsCane creek V-brake leversTwo King cage Ti cargo three bolt carriers on 
the fork, bolted onto an aluminum strut that goes from the mid fork braze-on to 
a little ‘L’ bottom strut that bolts to the fork tip dropout. Three King cage 
stainless water bottle cagesCat eye urban computer Lizard skin bar tape over 
Grab On foam drop bar gripsAnti theft skewers, regular seat clamp bolt plugged 
withExcellent, quality, bar end mirror I ordered off of Ebay from China. 
The diameter of the tube and wedge that slides into the handlebar was much too 
small, so I made an ABS shim. Not exactly ultra light, but excellent optics 
with just the right amount of fish eye. Shimano bulk cables and housingOne 
Brooks handlebar plug
Going from a three ring transmission to a lightweight single ring, carbon 
cranked one, was eye opening. I lose a little on each end, but I decide that 
coasting at speed was ok...I didn’t have to pedal Getting off to walk on 
the steepest trails was ok too. Carrying my bike up the stairs to my second 
floor apartment is now possible 😉. Damn, I’m getting old
Clayton#DirtDanceDesigns. 

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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Congrats on the strong finish! And thanks for that write-up; as usual, it's 
a great read.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

John G asked about the gearing on my Leo ♌️. 

It’s a 2x10. White Industries VBC crankset with 44/30 rings and a Shimano 12-30 
cassette. I use Shimano indexed barcon shifters. 

5000ft over 125miles really is tame in the SFR catalog. When the mountain bike 
racing season arrives, we’ll do 30 mile training rides with >5000ft of 
climbing. I did a 200k mixed terrain brevet with SFR earlier this year that had 
over 13,000ft of climbing. That was a toughie!

Bill Lindsay
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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Lum Gim Fong]

That is if you find that 6/4/6 makes things easier for you.

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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Lum Gim Fong]

You can have fit, good handling, and a good build on a 6/4/6 Rivendell, too. 
Why not?

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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[John G.]

Amen to this line: "fit, handling and build are far higher priorities to 
me." Now, a I'd much rather take 25 pound than a 35 pound bike on brevet, 
but a bike that fits and handles well will ALWAYS be more enjoyable for me 
than a featherweight jitterbug that has me straining to even reach the 
hooks. 

Bill, what's your gearing on the Roadini? I'm a bit terrified that 5K of 
climbing is considered flat for a 200K! Smart gearing seems essential.

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 5:03:04 PM UTC-5, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> Bill, very enjoyable report, congrats for a great day on tbe bike. Steve
>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 9:32 AM Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Yesterday was the Del Puerto Canyon 200k brevet, hosted by San Francisco 
>> Randonneurs. Luckily for me the day remained conflict-free and I was able 
>> to do it.  It was the 26th RUSA event of my career of 200k or greater, and 
>> I logged my best time ever: 8 hours 18 minutes.  
>>
>> I woke up a little earlier than I needed to, at 4:45AM.  I was able to 
>> pack light because of the amazing weather forecast.  The Del Puerto Canyon 
>> 200k starts and finishes in Pleasanton, CA, just south of Mount Diablo.  
>> The ride goes out and over the hills that make up the Altamont 
>> Pass,meanders through the flat farm roads around Tracy and Wesley, and then 
>> returns out and over the same hills via Del Puerto Canyon.  The forecast 
>> called for temps in the low 50s to start and venturing into the high 70s in 
>> some places.  So I wore bib-shorts, a light base layer, short sleeve 
>> jersey, arm warmers and a reflective vest.  The ride started at 8AM, which 
>> would be light enough to not require any lighting.  Sunset would come at 
>> about 6PM, so I did bring lights just in case I went over 10 hours.  I 
>> carried a little Cygolite Dart (from Riv), a battery taillight, and two 
>> elastic head lamps that could serve as backup head or tail lights. I also 
>> carried a USB battery stick in case I needed to boost my phone, Wahoo, or 
>> headlight.  In my Ruthworks rackless Brevet bag went those lighting bits, a 
>> few bars, and a travel size sunscreen for when the armwarmers came off and 
>> the guns came out.  I made coffee and breakfast, got lubed up and dressed 
>> and I was a good 25 minutes ahead of schedule.  I had planned to catch the 
>> 6:20AM Bart train, and it's a 5-minute bomb down the hill to get to the 
>> Bart station.  I went ahead and decided to grab the 6:00AM train instead 
>> and left early, and still had to wait on the platform for several minutes.  
>> The Fremont Train takes me down past Oakland to the transfer station at Bay 
>> Fair, where I transfer to a Pleasanton train to head over the hills in 
>> Castro Valley out to the start. There was a delay due to track repair, and 
>> a chilly wait for my Pleasanton train, but I was still at the start with my 
>> card in plenty of time.  
>>
>> The turnout for this event was huge; the biggest ever for this event 
>> which was first run in 2011.  ~150 randos had signed up, partially because 
>> of the great weather forecast, partially because there is always an uptick 
>> in participation the year before a PBP year, and partially because this is 
>> SFRs flattest 200k, with "only" 5300 ft of climbing. It was a huge bunch 
>> that started off. I didn't want to get sucked up with any of the 'too fast' 
>> groups, so I looked for familiar SFR riders who I knew were in my time-zone 
>> and hung with them for the first ~15 miles through the urban streets of 
>> Pleasanton and Livermore before the first climb began. That first climb was 
>> around 1200ft, with a gradually increasing grade all along its length, 
>> topping off at around 10% at the peak. This did a good job of stretching 
>> out the riders, and there was essentially no traffic so it was a great time 
>> to move up. I was feeling good, so I left the familiar group behind and 
>> passed a lot of slower riders. I was aiming for a decent time, and one way 
>> to make a good time is to not waste a lot of time at controls. The first 
>> control threatened to be a time sink if you arrive within a few minutes of 
>> a lot of other riders, because there would be only one volunteer to stamp 
>> your card, while a second volunteer checks your name on the roster. I was 
>> motivated to move up if I could, and I found a great rhythm on Leo. 
>> Checking my Strava, the majority of the climb is captured in the "Tesla 
>> Topper" segment. That 8.24 mile segment climbs 981ft, and I averaged 
>> 13.3mph for that segment. If I could average >20kph on one of the few 
>> climbs, a sub-10-hour ride and finishing before dark was looking good. 
>>
>> I found a partner to paceline with on the fast descent, who noted "we 
>> should get the miles in NOW, while we have a tailwind". The descent and the 
>> flat farm roads on the valley floor felt like cheating, we were moving 
>> really fast. I found another group of strong riders to work with on the 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Patrick Moore]

The way to start is to wheel your bike into the store with an air of owning
the place. If someone questions you, you must assume an air of injured and
very superior dignity.

Note: if you get away with it for a year or so, then, when someone
questions you, you can say, "Well! I've been wheeling it through here since
well before you worked here."

Seriously, I do ask first -- "May I use this as my grocery cart?" Must try
it at the new Sprout's nearest my house -- have preferred the nice ride to
the Corrales one.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 9:23 PM 'clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Oh...A DahonNever mindI see your point.
> You have me wondering how my local Safeway would take to me using my
> Atlantis as a grocery cartSure would be simpler. No locking up the
> bike, getting a cart, forgetting my reusable bags, wiping off the slimy
> cart handle with handi wipes that are always dry, putting the groceries in
> the cart, unloading, scanning and plastic bagging them while getting dirty
> looks, recarting them, wheeling the cart out then block the sidewalk with
> my cart (more dirty looks), while I unload the shopping basket into the
> panniers, front basket and rear rack bag, then go to move my bike and
> realize its still locked to the rack (every time 😳).
>
> I like your way, way better.. Way.
> Load, scan, load. Done.
> Brilliant!
>
> Clayton
> DDD
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>
> On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 4:13 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
> I entirely agree; the best stand for heavy rear loads, even rather
> assymetrical ones, was a $18 Greenfield dropout mount one. Problem is, this
> is a Dahon folder, and if you clutter up the left rear dropout area with
> one of those stands, it interferes with folding. I think I will remove the
> bb-mount stand and re-install my VO front wheel stabilizer; at least with
> that I can lean the bike up against shelves (I wheel the Dahon into the
> store as my grocery cart) and have it stay up.
>
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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Steven Sweedler]

Bill, very enjoyable report, congrats for a great day on tbe bike. Steve

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 9:32 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Yesterday was the Del Puerto Canyon 200k brevet, hosted by San Francisco
> Randonneurs. Luckily for me the day remained conflict-free and I was able
> to do it.  It was the 26th RUSA event of my career of 200k or greater, and
> I logged my best time ever: 8 hours 18 minutes.
>
> I woke up a little earlier than I needed to, at 4:45AM.  I was able to
> pack light because of the amazing weather forecast.  The Del Puerto Canyon
> 200k starts and finishes in Pleasanton, CA, just south of Mount Diablo.
> The ride goes out and over the hills that make up the Altamont
> Pass,meanders through the flat farm roads around Tracy and Wesley, and then
> returns out and over the same hills via Del Puerto Canyon.  The forecast
> called for temps in the low 50s to start and venturing into the high 70s in
> some places.  So I wore bib-shorts, a light base layer, short sleeve
> jersey, arm warmers and a reflective vest.  The ride started at 8AM, which
> would be light enough to not require any lighting.  Sunset would come at
> about 6PM, so I did bring lights just in case I went over 10 hours.  I
> carried a little Cygolite Dart (from Riv), a battery taillight, and two
> elastic head lamps that could serve as backup head or tail lights. I also
> carried a USB battery stick in case I needed to boost my phone, Wahoo, or
> headlight.  In my Ruthworks rackless Brevet bag went those lighting bits, a
> few bars, and a travel size sunscreen for when the armwarmers came off and
> the guns came out.  I made coffee and breakfast, got lubed up and dressed
> and I was a good 25 minutes ahead of schedule.  I had planned to catch the
> 6:20AM Bart train, and it's a 5-minute bomb down the hill to get to the
> Bart station.  I went ahead and decided to grab the 6:00AM train instead
> and left early, and still had to wait on the platform for several minutes.
> The Fremont Train takes me down past Oakland to the transfer station at Bay
> Fair, where I transfer to a Pleasanton train to head over the hills in
> Castro Valley out to the start. There was a delay due to track repair, and
> a chilly wait for my Pleasanton train, but I was still at the start with my
> card in plenty of time.
>
> The turnout for this event was huge; the biggest ever for this event which
> was first run in 2011.  ~150 randos had signed up, partially because of the
> great weather forecast, partially because there is always an uptick in
> participation the year before a PBP year, and partially because this is
> SFRs flattest 200k, with "only" 5300 ft of climbing. It was a huge bunch
> that started off. I didn't want to get sucked up with any of the 'too fast'
> groups, so I looked for familiar SFR riders who I knew were in my time-zone
> and hung with them for the first ~15 miles through the urban streets of
> Pleasanton and Livermore before the first climb began. That first climb was
> around 1200ft, with a gradually increasing grade all along its length,
> topping off at around 10% at the peak. This did a good job of stretching
> out the riders, and there was essentially no traffic so it was a great time
> to move up. I was feeling good, so I left the familiar group behind and
> passed a lot of slower riders. I was aiming for a decent time, and one way
> to make a good time is to not waste a lot of time at controls. The first
> control threatened to be a time sink if you arrive within a few minutes of
> a lot of other riders, because there would be only one volunteer to stamp
> your card, while a second volunteer checks your name on the roster. I was
> motivated to move up if I could, and I found a great rhythm on Leo.
> Checking my Strava, the majority of the climb is captured in the "Tesla
> Topper" segment. That 8.24 mile segment climbs 981ft, and I averaged
> 13.3mph for that segment. If I could average >20kph on one of the few
> climbs, a sub-10-hour ride and finishing before dark was looking good.
>
> I found a partner to paceline with on the fast descent, who noted "we
> should get the miles in NOW, while we have a tailwind". The descent and the
> flat farm roads on the valley floor felt like cheating, we were moving
> really fast. I found another group of strong riders to work with on the
> farm roads, which were thankfully quite smooth and almost car-free. I
> noticed another rider up the road a bit, so I pushed harder to bridge up to
> him, and looked back to find that I'd left that group of ~6 behind.  I
> stayed with this faster rider until we hit the first control at mile 44 at
> 10:30AM. That control was filled with roadie types, who I assumed were the
> tail-end of the 'fast' group on our ride. I got my card stamped,
> cut/augmented my home-made gatorade with a bottle of water, and got right
> back on the road with a roadie group. Turns out, they were on a different
> ride and I followed them in the wrong direction. I only los

[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Lum Gim Fong]

Congrats on the great ride!!!
Sounds like so much fun!
I wish I was strong enough to do those types of rides. Sounds delightful.
Glad the Roadini performed so well for you. Sounds like a great machine!

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[RBW] Re: Tires for a new HHH build

[Tony DeFilippo]

Just came back from 15 miles on our G-mail clad HHH... Love the tires, also 
running them on a Clementine and the 29er version on a Jones Plus.  Strongly 
recommended.  On the HHH him running them tubed on cliffhangers though the 
Clementine has tubeless in cliffhangers... Both work fine.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Orange Roadini frame 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

That's a very good point, Max. I'm a recovering alcoholic and the 
buying/fiddling really isn't any more expensive than THAT stupid hobby was. And 
much healthier! 

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Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Fantastic, Leah! Beautiful to read how much he loves his bike (and how much he 
understands how its differences are a huge part of why he loves it!)!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Fantastic, Bill! Delightful to read how Leo and you enjoyed the day. I got a 
kick out of reading your load, having just been thankful for my panniers to 
haul my boiled wool sweater, et al for my hangout at the top of the trail in 
the snow. Ain’t it wonderful how bikes do everything? Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Coffeeneuring Complete!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

All seven rides, complete with pipe, coffee, and solitude, logged here:
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/coffeeneuring-challenge-2018/

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Tires for a new HHH build

[John Buglino]

We have Maxxis ReFuse  2" on our HHH.  Have been quite pleased with their ride 
quality.
Only road riding for us, but there are plenty of rough patches in the 
Jerycity/NYC area, which they roll over with ease.

Enjoy the new HHH.  It is such a great bike!!  

Josh in Jersy City 
On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 12:20:24 PM UTC-5, Randy Franks wrote:
> Has anybody ridden Schwalbe G-One tires? Either the all arounders or the 
> “bite” model? I was thinking 2” Big Bens initially. But these something with 
> a little tread might be nice. Any other real world recommendations and 
> experience with tires would be great to read, too. 
> 
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/2366
> 
> A pretty reliable source recommended these for the HHH. Our frame arrives 
> sometime later today (!!!).  
> 
> Our riding here in Portland, Ore, and environs will include fire roads and 
> dirt country roads—some, not a lot—and the short stretches here in the city 
> that remain unimproved for some reason.
> 
> 
> 
> -Randy

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[RBW] Re: Tires for a new HHH build

[John Buglino]

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 12:20:24 PM UTC-5, Randy Franks wrote:
> Has anybody ridden Schwalbe G-One tires? Either the all arounders or the 
> “bite” model? I was thinking 2” Big Bens initially. But these something with 
> a little tread might be nice. Any other real world recommendations and 
> experience with tires would be great to read, too. 
> 
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/2366
> 
> A pretty reliable source recommended these for the HHH. Our frame arrives 
> sometime later today (!!!).  
> 
> Our riding here in Portland, Ore, and environs will include fire roads and 
> dirt country roads—some, not a lot—and the short stretches here in the city 
> that remain unimproved for some reason.
> 
> 
> 
> -Randy

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Daniel D.]

thanks for the info, looks like a nice set up

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-7, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
> I have a 51cm Roadini and have struggled with this question. I have 78.5cm 
> PBH with a 68cm saddle height. The Banana Sack works great and clears the 
> rear tire easily, but smallish for a packrat like me and I'm reluctant to 
> carry anything on myself when riding. The Saddlesack Small fulfilled my 
> packrat tendencies much better and worked okay until I carried an Abus 
> folding lock which created a saggy spot and the bag rubbed on the rear 
> tire. Another 1.5cm of seatpost or maybe tying the bag up with an Irish 
> strap would have avoided the problem.
>
> I didn't like the Irish strap solution so I got a Carradice Barley and 
> tried it without the rack but had similar issues with the Saddlesack Small, 
> plus the opening was at a weird angle. I broke down and got the Carradice 
> bagman support. That setup - Barley + bagman - is what I've got on the bike 
> and I really like it.
>
> BTW for the front, I got a Carradice Zipped Roll and am using it as a 
> handlebar bag. It's kind of wide as a handlebar bag: my bars are 44cm Nitto 
> Noodles (Hiway Ones in the photo), and likely won't work with anything 
> narrower.
>
> --Ed C.
>
> [image: IMG_6581.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>
>> Decided I want a little bigger bag than just a seat pack.  Leaning 
>> towards a Carradice Pendle, Barley, etc..  Aesthetically the bikepacker 
>> bags don't do it for me.  
>>
>> The question is fit on a smaller frame.  Am I stuck using a bagman 
>> support?  Is there enough clearance to use without a support?
>>
>> Pic tape measure head is in the saddle bag loop
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Orange Roadini frame 54cm

[Max S]

It’s more functional, healthy, and probably cheaper than many other forms of 
drugs, too! My fiddling is a form of psychotherapy, too. 

- Max “wondering if the hobbyists building model railroads or model airplanes 
say to each other:  “It sure is fun assembling and hand-painting all these 1:45 
scale models, but I should really fly them more!”” in A2

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[RBW] Re: Tires for a new HHH build

[Kainalu V.]

We've got the 2.35" G-ones set up tubeless on Cliffhangers, it's a great 
option for the HHH and beyond.
-Kai
BKNY


On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 12:20:24 PM UTC-5, Randy Franks wrote:
>
> Has anybody ridden Schwalbe G-One tires? Either the all arounders or the 
> “bite” model? I was thinking 2” Big Bens initially. But these something 
> with a little tread might be nice. Any other real world recommendations and 
> experience with tires would be great to read, too. 
>
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/2366 
>
> A pretty reliable source recommended these for the HHH. Our frame arrives 
> sometime later today (!!!).   
>
> Our riding here in Portland, Ore, and environs will include fire roads and 
> dirt country roads—some, not a lot—and the short stretches here in the city 
> that remain unimproved for some reason. 
>
>
>
> -Randy

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[RBW] Tires for a new HHH build

[Randy Franks]

Has anybody ridden Schwalbe G-One tires? Either the all arounders or the “bite” 
model? I was thinking 2” Big Bens initially. But these something with a little 
tread might be nice. Any other real world recommendations and experience with 
tires would be great to read, too. 

https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/2366

A pretty reliable source recommended these for the HHH. Our frame arrives 
sometime later today (!!!).  

Our riding here in Portland, Ore, and environs will include fire roads and dirt 
country roads—some, not a lot—and the short stretches here in the city that 
remain unimproved for some reason.



-Randy

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Atlantis in Chicago

[esoterica etc]

$950 I believe 

> On Nov 2, 2018, at 10:24, Max Bergen  wrote:
> 
> I tried looking at the post but it was deleted. How much was the seller 
> asking? 
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[RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Randy Franks]

Great report and congratulations!

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Re: [RBW] FF: Riv catalogs and BQ magazines - All claimed.

[DK]

Hi,

For whomever just received them just now, I would be interested in the next 
iteration of passing along the magazines.  Thanks in advance!

Dan

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 10:38:45 AM UTC-3, Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
> Mags have been claimed. 
>
>>
>> Marty
>
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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

Metin

Thanks for the correction on PR vs CR times. I saw you mingling and was going 
to say 👋, but you appeared to be in a conversation. 

Best
Bill

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[RBW] Re: Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Metin Uz]

Nice ride Bill! Just to correct the record, a bunch of roadies actually 
came in under 7 hours. Bryan got a PR, but not the CR. I saw the Roadini at 
the finish, was wondering whose that was.

--Metin

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 7:32:05 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Yesterday was the Del Puerto Canyon 200k brevet, hosted by San Francisco 
> Randonneurs. Luckily for me the day remained conflict-free and I was able 
> to do it.  It was the 26th RUSA event of my career of 200k or greater, and 
> I logged my best time ever: 8 hours 18 minutes.  
>
> I woke up a little earlier than I needed to, at 4:45AM.  I was able to 
> pack light because of the amazing weather forecast.  The Del Puerto Canyon 
> 200k starts and finishes in Pleasanton, CA, just south of Mount Diablo.  
> The ride goes out and over the hills that make up the Altamont 
> Pass,meanders through the flat farm roads around Tracy and Wesley, and then 
> returns out and over the same hills via Del Puerto Canyon.  The forecast 
> called for temps in the low 50s to start and venturing into the high 70s in 
> some places.  So I wore bib-shorts, a light base layer, short sleeve 
> jersey, arm warmers and a reflective vest.  The ride started at 8AM, which 
> would be light enough to not require any lighting.  Sunset would come at 
> about 6PM, so I did bring lights just in case I went over 10 hours.  I 
> carried a little Cygolite Dart (from Riv), a battery taillight, and two 
> elastic head lamps that could serve as backup head or tail lights. I also 
> carried a USB battery stick in case I needed to boost my phone, Wahoo, or 
> headlight.  In my Ruthworks rackless Brevet bag went those lighting bits, a 
> few bars, and a travel size sunscreen for when the armwarmers came off and 
> the guns came out.  I made coffee and breakfast, got lubed up and dressed 
> and I was a good 25 minutes ahead of schedule.  I had planned to catch the 
> 6:20AM Bart train, and it's a 5-minute bomb down the hill to get to the 
> Bart station.  I went ahead and decided to grab the 6:00AM train instead 
> and left early, and still had to wait on the platform for several minutes.  
> The Fremont Train takes me down past Oakland to the transfer station at Bay 
> Fair, where I transfer to a Pleasanton train to head over the hills in 
> Castro Valley out to the start. There was a delay due to track repair, and 
> a chilly wait for my Pleasanton train, but I was still at the start with my 
> card in plenty of time.  
>
> The turnout for this event was huge; the biggest ever for this event which 
> was first run in 2011.  ~150 randos had signed up, partially because of the 
> great weather forecast, partially because there is always an uptick in 
> participation the year before a PBP year, and partially because this is 
> SFRs flattest 200k, with "only" 5300 ft of climbing. It was a huge bunch 
> that started off. I didn't want to get sucked up with any of the 'too fast' 
> groups, so I looked for familiar SFR riders who I knew were in my time-zone 
> and hung with them for the first ~15 miles through the urban streets of 
> Pleasanton and Livermore before the first climb began. That first climb was 
> around 1200ft, with a gradually increasing grade all along its length, 
> topping off at around 10% at the peak. This did a good job of stretching 
> out the riders, and there was essentially no traffic so it was a great time 
> to move up. I was feeling good, so I left the familiar group behind and 
> passed a lot of slower riders. I was aiming for a decent time, and one way 
> to make a good time is to not waste a lot of time at controls. The first 
> control threatened to be a time sink if you arrive within a few minutes of 
> a lot of other riders, because there would be only one volunteer to stamp 
> your card, while a second volunteer checks your name on the roster. I was 
> motivated to move up if I could, and I found a great rhythm on Leo. 
> Checking my Strava, the majority of the climb is captured in the "Tesla 
> Topper" segment. That 8.24 mile segment climbs 981ft, and I averaged 
> 13.3mph for that segment. If I could average >20kph on one of the few 
> climbs, a sub-10-hour ride and finishing before dark was looking good. 
>
> I found a partner to paceline with on the fast descent, who noted "we 
> should get the miles in NOW, while we have a tailwind". The descent and the 
> flat farm roads on the valley floor felt like cheating, we were moving 
> really fast. I found another group of strong riders to work with on the 
> farm roads, which were thankfully quite smooth and almost car-free. I 
> noticed another rider up the road a bit, so I pushed harder to bridge up to 
> him, and looked back to find that I'd left that group of ~6 behind.  I 
> stayed with this faster rider until we hit the first control at mile 44 at 
> 10:30AM. That control was filled with roadie types, who I assumed were the 
> tail-end of the 'fast' group on our ride. I got my card stamped, 

[RBW] Re: FS: Basically new MUSA Long Pants, Size Large

[tc]

Pants sold, pending payment.

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> $75 shipped CONUS.  I put these on for maybe 20 sec, determined they're 
> too short, took them off to measure the inseam, then put'em back in the bag 
> to sell.  Actual inseam measures 30.5".  Really nice pants, and I'm bummed 
> ... but my bad for not noticing the description says these are 2" shorter 
> than the older model. 
>
> Riv sells these for $90 new, plus shipping. 
>
> At this time, I'm not interested in any trades, thanks.
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 sets of pedals -- VP Thin Gripsters & Pedaling Innovations Catalyst

[tc]

Both sets of pedals sold, pending payment.

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 11:24:26 AM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Hey everyone, I'm selling these 2 sets individually, just listing them 
> together:
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 sets of pedals -- VP Thin Gripsters & Pedaling Innovations Catalyst

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sending PM for Catalyst pedals

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 8:24:26 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Hey everyone, I'm selling these 2 sets individually, just listing them 
> together:
>
> *VP Thin Gripsters*:
> $40 shipped CONUS.  Dark blue-gray.  (Note - the new ones currently 
> offered by Riv are pure gray I believe, no blue-ish tint.)  I bought these 
> new from Riv to put on my former SimpleOne, but decided I didn't like the 
> blue-gray color against the SO's dark green frame.  Less than 3 miles on 
> these; you really can't tell they've been used except for the grease on the 
> threads.  Riv sells these for $70 + shipping.
>
> [image: pedals_VP_Thin_Gripsters.jpg]
>
>
> *Pedaling Innovations Catalyst:*
> $60 shipped CONUS.  Black.  I bought these new from the Pedaling 
> Innovations website.  Tried them on my former Sam, but in the end couldn't 
> make the adjustment to center-of-foot pedaling.  Probably about 50-75 miles 
> on these; they look pretty much new except for the grease on the threads.  
> These sell new for $99 + shipping.
>
> [image: pedals_PedalingInnovations_Catalyst.jpg]
>
>
> No trades at this time, thanks.
>
> Tom
>

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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Eric Daume]

That's a great story Bill. Riv should give you a commission on any Roadinis
sold in the next week!

Eric
who only managed to ride about six miles between kids' games and football
yesterday

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:32 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Yesterday was the Del Puerto Canyon 200k brevet, hosted by San Francisco
> Randonneurs. Luckily for me the day remained conflict-free and I was able
> to do it.  It was the 26th RUSA event of my career of 200k or greater, and
> I logged my best time ever: 8 hours 18 minutes.
>
> I woke up a little earlier than I needed to, at 4:45AM.  I was able to
> pack light because of the amazing weather forecast.  The Del Puerto Canyon
> 200k starts and finishes in Pleasanton, CA, just south of Mount Diablo.
> The ride goes out and over the hills that make up the Altamont
> Pass,meanders through the flat farm roads around Tracy and Wesley, and then
> returns out and over the same hills via Del Puerto Canyon.  The forecast
> called for temps in the low 50s to start and venturing into the high 70s in
> some places.  So I wore bib-shorts, a light base layer, short sleeve
> jersey, arm warmers and a reflective vest.  The ride started at 8AM, which
> would be light enough to not require any lighting.  Sunset would come at
> about 6PM, so I did bring lights just in case I went over 10 hours.  I
> carried a little Cygolite Dart (from Riv), a battery taillight, and two
> elastic head lamps that could serve as backup head or tail lights. I also
> carried a USB battery stick in case I needed to boost my phone, Wahoo, or
> headlight.  In my Ruthworks rackless Brevet bag went those lighting bits, a
> few bars, and a travel size sunscreen for when the armwarmers came off and
> the guns came out.  I made coffee and breakfast, got lubed up and dressed
> and I was a good 25 minutes ahead of schedule.  I had planned to catch the
> 6:20AM Bart train, and it's a 5-minute bomb down the hill to get to the
> Bart station.  I went ahead and decided to grab the 6:00AM train instead
> and left early, and still had to wait on the platform for several minutes.
> The Fremont Train takes me down past Oakland to the transfer station at Bay
> Fair, where I transfer to a Pleasanton train to head over the hills in
> Castro Valley out to the start. There was a delay due to track repair, and
> a chilly wait for my Pleasanton train, but I was still at the start with my
> card in plenty of time.
>
> The turnout for this event was huge; the biggest ever for this event which
> was first run in 2011.  ~150 randos had signed up, partially because of the
> great weather forecast, partially because there is always an uptick in
> participation the year before a PBP year, and partially because this is
> SFRs flattest 200k, with "only" 5300 ft of climbing. It was a huge bunch
> that started off. I didn't want to get sucked up with any of the 'too fast'
> groups, so I looked for familiar SFR riders who I knew were in my time-zone
> and hung with them for the first ~15 miles through the urban streets of
> Pleasanton and Livermore before the first climb began. That first climb was
> around 1200ft, with a gradually increasing grade all along its length,
> topping off at around 10% at the peak. This did a good job of stretching
> out the riders, and there was essentially no traffic so it was a great time
> to move up. I was feeling good, so I left the familiar group behind and
> passed a lot of slower riders. I was aiming for a decent time, and one way
> to make a good time is to not waste a lot of time at controls. The first
> control threatened to be a time sink if you arrive within a few minutes of
> a lot of other riders, because there would be only one volunteer to stamp
> your card, while a second volunteer checks your name on the roster. I was
> motivated to move up if I could, and I found a great rhythm on Leo.
> Checking my Strava, the majority of the climb is captured in the "Tesla
> Topper" segment. That 8.24 mile segment climbs 981ft, and I averaged
> 13.3mph for that segment. If I could average >20kph on one of the few
> climbs, a sub-10-hour ride and finishing before dark was looking good.
>
> I found a partner to paceline with on the fast descent, who noted "we
> should get the miles in NOW, while we have a tailwind". The descent and the
> flat farm roads on the valley floor felt like cheating, we were moving
> really fast. I found another group of strong riders to work with on the
> farm roads, which were thankfully quite smooth and almost car-free. I
> noticed another rider up the road a bit, so I pushed harder to bridge up to
> him, and looked back to find that I'd left that group of ~6 behind.  I
> stayed with this faster rider until we hit the first control at mile 44 at
> 10:30AM. That control was filled with roadie types, who I assumed were the
> tail-end of the 'fast' group on our ride. I got my card stamped,
> cut/augmented my home-made gatorade with a bottle of water, and got right
> back on the road w

[RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[WETH]

Bill,
Congratulations on your great day. Your descriptive prose had me climbing and 
descending with you.  Also thanks for your reasoned thoughts on Leo.
Erl
Kensington, MD

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[RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

Yesterday was the Del Puerto Canyon 200k brevet, hosted by San Francisco 
Randonneurs. Luckily for me the day remained conflict-free and I was able 
to do it.  It was the 26th RUSA event of my career of 200k or greater, and 
I logged my best time ever: 8 hours 18 minutes.  

I woke up a little earlier than I needed to, at 4:45AM.  I was able to pack 
light because of the amazing weather forecast.  The Del Puerto Canyon 200k 
starts and finishes in Pleasanton, CA, just south of Mount Diablo.  The 
ride goes out and over the hills that make up the Altamont Pass,meanders 
through the flat farm roads around Tracy and Wesley, and then returns out 
and over the same hills via Del Puerto Canyon.  The forecast called for 
temps in the low 50s to start and venturing into the high 70s in some 
places.  So I wore bib-shorts, a light base layer, short sleeve jersey, arm 
warmers and a reflective vest.  The ride started at 8AM, which would be 
light enough to not require any lighting.  Sunset would come at about 6PM, 
so I did bring lights just in case I went over 10 hours.  I carried a 
little Cygolite Dart (from Riv), a battery taillight, and two elastic head 
lamps that could serve as backup head or tail lights. I also carried a USB 
battery stick in case I needed to boost my phone, Wahoo, or headlight.  In 
my Ruthworks rackless Brevet bag went those lighting bits, a few bars, and 
a travel size sunscreen for when the armwarmers came off and the guns came 
out.  I made coffee and breakfast, got lubed up and dressed and I was a 
good 25 minutes ahead of schedule.  I had planned to catch the 6:20AM Bart 
train, and it's a 5-minute bomb down the hill to get to the Bart station.  
I went ahead and decided to grab the 6:00AM train instead and left early, 
and still had to wait on the platform for several minutes.  The Fremont 
Train takes me down past Oakland to the transfer station at Bay Fair, where 
I transfer to a Pleasanton train to head over the hills in Castro Valley 
out to the start. There was a delay due to track repair, and a chilly wait 
for my Pleasanton train, but I was still at the start with my card in 
plenty of time.  

The turnout for this event was huge; the biggest ever for this event which 
was first run in 2011.  ~150 randos had signed up, partially because of the 
great weather forecast, partially because there is always an uptick in 
participation the year before a PBP year, and partially because this is 
SFRs flattest 200k, with "only" 5300 ft of climbing. It was a huge bunch 
that started off. I didn't want to get sucked up with any of the 'too fast' 
groups, so I looked for familiar SFR riders who I knew were in my time-zone 
and hung with them for the first ~15 miles through the urban streets of 
Pleasanton and Livermore before the first climb began. That first climb was 
around 1200ft, with a gradually increasing grade all along its length, 
topping off at around 10% at the peak. This did a good job of stretching 
out the riders, and there was essentially no traffic so it was a great time 
to move up. I was feeling good, so I left the familiar group behind and 
passed a lot of slower riders. I was aiming for a decent time, and one way 
to make a good time is to not waste a lot of time at controls. The first 
control threatened to be a time sink if you arrive within a few minutes of 
a lot of other riders, because there would be only one volunteer to stamp 
your card, while a second volunteer checks your name on the roster. I was 
motivated to move up if I could, and I found a great rhythm on Leo. 
Checking my Strava, the majority of the climb is captured in the "Tesla 
Topper" segment. That 8.24 mile segment climbs 981ft, and I averaged 
13.3mph for that segment. If I could average >20kph on one of the few 
climbs, a sub-10-hour ride and finishing before dark was looking good. 

I found a partner to paceline with on the fast descent, who noted "we 
should get the miles in NOW, while we have a tailwind". The descent and the 
flat farm roads on the valley floor felt like cheating, we were moving 
really fast. I found another group of strong riders to work with on the 
farm roads, which were thankfully quite smooth and almost car-free. I 
noticed another rider up the road a bit, so I pushed harder to bridge up to 
him, and looked back to find that I'd left that group of ~6 behind.  I 
stayed with this faster rider until we hit the first control at mile 44 at 
10:30AM. That control was filled with roadie types, who I assumed were the 
tail-end of the 'fast' group on our ride. I got my card stamped, 
cut/augmented my home-made gatorade with a bottle of water, and got right 
back on the road with a roadie group. Turns out, they were on a different 
ride and I followed them in the wrong direction. I only lost a couple 
minutes on my detour, and quickly got back on the right course. It was 
another 15 miles to an open control in a small town at the beginning of Del 
Puerto Canyon road. I got more d

[RBW] FS: Basically new MUSA Long Pants, Size Large

[tc]

$75 shipped CONUS.  I put these on for maybe 20 sec, determined they're too 
short, took them off to measure the inseam, then put'em back in the bag to 
sell.  Actual inseam measures 30.5".  Really nice pants, and I'm bummed ... 
but my bad for not noticing the description says these are 2" shorter than 
the older model. 

Riv sells these for $90 new, plus shipping. 

At this time, I'm not interested in any trades, thanks.

Tom

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[RBW] PSA: 59CM Green Custom/Long-Low

[Bill Schairer]

Wow!  How old is that bike?  I can’t look at my bike without putting more wear 
on it than that bike has.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[nick b]

My double top tube 58 Appaloosa with with the "big" front and rear racks, 
medium saddlesack (which I store the large shopsack in), big basket, 
generator hub and lights, a couple tubes, patches, pump, etc weighs 
42.4lbs.  It's so heavy I have stopped caring.  Friday night I carried 2 
helinox chairs, a growler of beer, and a sweatshirt up my regular climb in 
sandals and a soccer jersey and met my wife to watch the sunset.  It took 
me 15 minutes longer than it does on my road bike but that's beside the 
point.  I have several light bikes and I'd rather ride my Rivendell on most 
occasions.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 at 1:04:20 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
> weigh.
>  
> Would be informative to know:
> 1. Model
> 2. Framesize
> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
> bags/bottles on board, please).
> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
> everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
> expected.
>  
> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>  
> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>  
>

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