[RBW] Re: FS: Canti Sam Hillborne 51cm, black and cream

[Sofia Torres]

Can vouch for the 51cm black/cream canti Hillborne! I have one and it is 
really wonderful.

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[RBW] FS - Generator wheelset, Rims, Spokes, Hubset, 62 cm Bob Jackson

[Mike Godwin]

 

Hi bobs

 

FS items shipped by USPS flat rate. USPS money orders and personal checques 
preferred, paypal accepted. If you see something you want and feel 
differently about the asking price, make me an offer. Friends and family or 
chip in on the fee to the man. sorry for the cross-post from ibob list. 

 

Photos on request.

 

Generator wheelset, totally black. Shimano Deore XT DH-T8000-3D front, 
Deore FH-T610 rear, laced to black Velocity A23 18 mm internal width/23 mm 
external width. Front with Sapim D-light 14-16-14 black spokes, rear DS 
Sapim Race 14-15-14, NDS D-Light, black brass nipples. Not used. $360 
shipped.

 

1 Velocity Synergy 700c rim, silver, pinned MSW 36 hole, single eyelet. 
symmetrical, made in Australia. Purchased from Peter White Bicycles, I was 
assured by Penny the circumference is good. 17.5 mm internal width/23.5 mm 
external width, 605 ERD. Laced, then disassembled. $80 shipped.

 

1 Mavic Open Elite, 700c rim, silver, pinned MSW 36 hole, single eyelet. 15 
mm internal width/21 mm external width, 607 ERD. Laced, then disassembled. 
$60 shipped.

 

Mavic 556 hubs. NIB, (new in box). 32 hole, original skewers. 126/100 OLD. 
English freewheel threads. $125 shipped

 

Nitto Technomic Deluxe 11 cm, 26.0 mm clamp diameter, 10 cm height above 
min insertion line. $30 shipped

SAPIM Race spokes, 14-15-14, 288 mm x 17.  $13 shipped

SAPIM Race spokes, 14-15-14, 294 mm x 38.  $23 shipped

SAPIM Laser spokes, 14-17-14, 293 mm x 16.  $25 shipped

SAPIM Laser spokes, 14-17-14, 291 mm x 17.  $25 shipped

Buy spokes get Sapim 12 mm brass nipples (have 78 extra). Also have 28 12 
mm black nipples too. 

Shimano 7-spd HG cogset 12-13-14-15-17-19-21, can’t vouch for teeth wear, 
looks ok but otherwise good for the 7 speed spacers.   $10 shipped

Suntour Winner 5-spd freewheel 2-prong, 13-16-19-23-28, good condition, 
mostly clean low wear $10 shipped

62 cm Bob Jackson, full bike $800 obo, link to SLO CL 
*https://slo.craigslist.org/bik/d/san-luis-obispo-bob-jackson-62-cm/6794386307.html*
 


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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[John Bokman]

Thanks Jeff.

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 5:57:01 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote:
>
> The catalog 
> 
>  
> says 28s with fenders, 35s without:
>
> [image: ROADINI-clearance-020519.JPG]
>
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 5:33:58 PM UTC-8, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Can't find info on how big a tire the Roadini can fit? Especially with 
>> fenders (I know some offer more clearance than others)?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike shows and Rivendell

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do totally agree it's a good thing for Rivendell to be out in the bike 
world a bit, very specifically in the bike world of the creators, the 
thinkers, the artists, the testers, the believers, their people.  And 
others get to see what Rivendell is up to as well.  I tend to believe 
people need to be talking rather than just hoping their island can hang on. 
 I have also found that the smartest I can be is in a room full of smart 
people, all trying to figure things out...

Having Rivendell, Crust, Tumbleweed, Jones people and others all walk into 
the bar, well, that would be something...

Bob


On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 3:27:46 PM UTC-6, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Holy smokes! At PBE 2018 I was thinking "man, it would be cool if Riv were 
> here." Dreams do come true. I wonder if this is some kind of 2019 plan they 
> have to expand their audience?
>
> Erik, Philly
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike shows and Rivendell

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do totally agree it's a good thing for Rivendell to be out in the bike 
world a bit, very specifically in the bike world of the creators, the 
thinkers, the artists, the testers, the believers, their people.  And 
others get to see what Rivendell is up to as well.  I tend to believe 
people need to be talking rather than hoping their island can hang on.  I 
have also found that the smartest I can be is in a room full of smart 
people, all trying to figure things out...

Not that is has anything to do with anything, but I went to the NAHBS when 
it was in Denver and I talked to this "kid" (anyone under 29 qualifying) 
and he had been making frames for friends in the UK. There he was in 
England, but he read about the NAHBS show, and well, he decided he was to 
going to make the best frame and bike he knew how, and he was going to that 
show.  And he did!  And his bike was really well done and thought out.  And 
it was so cool he had done that.  I am pretty sure he rode that bike to the 
show from wherever he was staying in Denver, wiping it down before putting 
it up on the table with, I think, a borrowed stand.  He did not have cab 
fare or whatever but he did have his bike.   So cool... Still makes me 
smile.

And it turns out he is still out there making bikes!  Shed6 Cycles, as he 
originally rented a storage shed to start building, and it was #6...  
https://www.shed6cycles.com

So, yeah, meeting people like that just has to help and make one smile, 
anyone loving bikes, riding, adventures, all of that anyway.

Having Rivendell, Crust, Tumbleweed, Jones people and others all walk into 
the bar, well, that would be something...

Bob


On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 3:27:46 PM UTC-6, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Holy smokes! At PBE 2018 I was thinking "man, it would be cool if Riv were 
> here." Dreams do come true. I wonder if this is some kind of 2019 plan they 
> have to expand their audience?
>
> Erik, Philly
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[John G.]

Man, I am worn out by the “bike xyz is overbuilt” conversation. It feels like 
people have completely lost sight of other things that make a bike delightful 
to ride. My Atlantis was around 29 pounds and a bit heavy on climbs, but its 
handling and manners couldn’t be beat. Sure, I was about 1 mph slower on it 
than my other bikes, but holy moly that matters way less than feeling good on a 
long ride.

I miss that bike. Wish I had never sold it. Was foolishly chasing down the 
“rides light” phantom.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[sameness]

The catalog 

 
says 28s with fenders, 35s without:

[image: ROADINI-clearance-020519.JPG]


Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 5:33:58 PM UTC-8, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Can't find info on how big a tire the Roadini can fit? Especially with 
> fenders (I know some offer more clearance than others)?
>

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[RBW] Lever effect of stem length et al on steering and handling

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

There seem to be three factors involved in the question (but correct me where 
I’m wrong, physics folks!):

1. Stem length
2. Bar width
3. distance of grip from in-front or behind stem bolt (I’m least certain of 
this of the three).

Stem length: presuming steering from the stem, without bars, as stem length 
forward from the stem bolt increases, less pressure but greater distance is 
required to turn the handlebars.

Bar width: as bars widen, leverage increases each direction, also requiring 
less effort but greater distance to steer.

How do these two interact with each other? And does #3 above play any role?  
(yes, I’m ignoring the rabbit hole of trail, head tube angle, and no doubt 
other things, but Rivendells are generally in a similar camp in those areas, so 
that is the focus of my question).

With abandon,
Patrick

www.CatholicHalos.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Rivendell Joe Appaloosa

[Derek Atkins]

Sorry Justin. Going to keep her. Contemplating builds now for spring gravel
rambles.

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 2:02 AM Justin Wyne  wrote:

> I was the guy messaging you to work with me off ebay but you didn't want
> to. Sounds like you are open to it after all
>
>
> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 8:04:34 AM UTC-8, Derek Atkins wrote:
>>
>> I pulled the Joe off eBay. Having second thoughts on keeping it instead
>> of the 59 Clem H I have. In the end, a couple hundred difference in what I
>> might make between the two has me leaning more toward keeping the beautiful
>> Joe and selling the Clem at a good price to someone who wants it. If
>> someone here is still super interested in the Joe I might be willing to be
>> talked out of it. But I think I’m the end with some 2.1 tires on the Joe I
>> might be happy as a clam.
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Rivendell Joe Appaloosa

[Derek Atkins]

Hi all, I sold the Clem earlier this week. It’s on it’s way back to the
west coast as we speak. Oregon actually.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 7:40 AM Will Ashe  wrote:

> I just realized you posted that’s it’s a 59...
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[John Bokman]

Can't find info on how big a tire the Roadini can fit? Especially with 
fenders (I know some offer more clearance than others)?
A roadini with 35mm tires and center pull brakes is making me think hard 
about a 57Maybe albastache bars

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 3:55:24 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> If you build up your Atlantis not-heavy, it won't be heavy-built.  My 56cm 
> 650B Atlantis is under 30 pounds with heavy saddle and seatpost, with heavy 
> rims, tubes and tires, with heavy stem and hubs, with a pump, front rack 
> and a Wald basket, and with a double chainring and front derailer.  If I 
> had wanted to build it light, I could easily save a pound off the seat and 
> seatpost, three pounds from the wheelset, a pound with a 1x drivetrain, and 
> two pounds with no front rack and basket.  Is 23 pounds still too heavy?  
> Even at 29 pounds it's a deligthful bike.  
>
> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 9:17:43 PM UTC-8, Ash wrote:
>>
>> Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires 
>>>
>>
>> A not-heavy-built bike that can take 50mm tires?  COUNT ME IN !! 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 3 February 2019 13:44:04 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Now that I do like.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:07 PM Ray Varella  wrote:
>>>
 I suspect something like a Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires would 
 attract a fair amount of attention. 

 A bit pared down in stoutness from the current allrounders. 
 A refresh of the original allrounder/XO-1 

 I’m pretty sure I’d buy one. 

 Ray

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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
>>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
>>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>>> ---
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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Bill Lindsay]

If you build up your Atlantis not-heavy, it won't be heavy-built.  My 56cm 
650B Atlantis is under 30 pounds with heavy saddle and seatpost, with heavy 
rims, tubes and tires, with heavy stem and hubs, with a pump, front rack 
and a Wald basket, and with a double chainring and front derailer.  If I 
had wanted to build it light, I could easily save a pound off the seat and 
seatpost, three pounds from the wheelset, a pound with a 1x drivetrain, and 
two pounds with no front rack and basket.  Is 23 pounds still too heavy?  
Even at 29 pounds it's a deligthful bike.  

On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 9:17:43 PM UTC-8, Ash wrote:
>
> Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires 
>>
>
> A not-heavy-built bike that can take 50mm tires?  COUNT ME IN !! 
>
>
> On Sunday, 3 February 2019 13:44:04 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Now that I do like.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:07 PM Ray Varella  wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect something like a Legolas that takes 50mm 650 tires would 
>>> attract a fair amount of attention. 
>>>
>>> A bit pared down in stoutness from the current allrounders. 
>>> A refresh of the original allrounder/XO-1 
>>>
>>> I’m pretty sure I’d buy one. 
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>> ---
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
>> Other professional writing services
>> Expensive! But good.
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Floor Living

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So many definitions and specifics to every situation, but I’ve found for 
myself, my family, and the folks I’ve worked with that any bodily transition, 
including to floor living, going barefoot, diet, etc., takes three months of 
doing it full time before it feels like a “new normal” vs. “I’m transitioning.” 
The shifts and strengthening continue, with marked milestones around one and 
three years. After that, it’s just ongoing, subtle learning rather than 
paridigm shifts.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: WTB 56cm Bombadil

[jamison brosseau]

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 7:24:39 AM UTC-5, jamison brosseau wrote:
> I had really good luck in my search for a 60cm Quickbeam, so lucky in fact 
> that I ended up with a 60 and a 62.  Gonna ride them both over the winter and 
> see which I prefer.  
> Anyhow I would really like to find a 56cm Bombadil as a complete or frame 
> set. If you have one and you are thinking of parting with I would love to 
> know about it.
> Thanks
> Jamison

Happy Tuesday everybody!  The search continues for a 56 Bombadil.  If you have 
one, !I will buy it and send you a Valentine.  Be Mine 

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[RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Bill Lindsay]

I agree.  Anybody who thinks the Wavie is a copy of a Fleegle, or a Mary, 
or a JJ, or a JJJ bar either is deliberately overlooking the differences 
between those bars, or they are similarly griping on other forums about how 
EVERY current manufacturer of a drop bar is copying the original design for 
the drop handlebar.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 8:57:19 AM UTC-8, Drw wrote:
>
> The whole idea is ridiculous. even if this was a rip off (i don't think it 
> is), hasn't riv introduced or pushed for enough things (to their own 
> financial detriment) that other companies copy and sell cheaper years 
> later, that they've earned the right?
>

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Re: [RBW] Floor Living

[jamison brosseau]

How long was the transitional period between traditional living and full blown 
floor living?

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT AHH reviews?

[James Warren]

Looks amazing. I'm guessing that this bike is awesome in a similar way to the sidepull Hillborne.-Original Message-
From: Drew Henson 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 3:13 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: MIT AHH reviews?

I've had one for a few months and I absolutely love it. Luckily the winter in Seattle has been very cooperative up until this week. A local shop, Back Alley Bike Repair, built it up for me. This is the first time I've purchased a frame and spec'd a build and it was a ton of fun. This essentially replaces a surly LHT that was a fine bike but also is a tank and I have no plans for a tour. The homer is the bike that drew me to Riv a few years ago, so I jumped at the chance for a more budget friendly version.The AHH splits commuting duties with an Elephant NFE and the ride between the two bikes could not be more different, but they compliment each other very well. My commute is between 8.5-9 miles one way and fairly hilly depending on the route I take. The AHH climbs well enough and I feel very confident bombing hills on it. I usually carry a change of clothes, lunch, coffee, and some tools. Maybe an extra layer depending on the day. I think on the Blug once Grant said he doesn't think a road-ish bike could ride any better than the MIT AHH and I'm inclined to agree. The bike is so smooth. I can barely feel a loaded up sackville on the back and it's not even cinched to the rack. Although I am careful not to overload the front basket or else the handling can be influenced in a way I don't care for. Partial build list:Brakes: tektro r559Brake levers: TRP RRL SRShifters: Shimano bar endCrankset: Velo Orange 46/30Rear Cassette: 8 sp 11-34Rims: velocity dyad machine builtHub: Shimano LX, dyno on frontTires: Compass loup loup pass 38mmHandle bars: Nitto RandoStem: Nitto technomic 90mmSaddle: Brooks B-17 (8 year old one I had lying around)pedals: shimano a530Fenders: SKS P55Cages: King cage & arundel looney binFront light: schmidt edelux ii (bought from riv)Rear light: toplight (i think? i wasn't to picky hear and the bike shop hooked it up)Front rack: mark's rackRear rack: pletscherRear bag: sackville mediumNot great iphone pics->Other thoughts:Sizing - This is a 58. I measure my pbh at 87 which is right in the middle on the size chart. It fits and I'm comfortable. That being said I probably could have gone with a 54.5 frame just as well.Handle bars - the Nitto rando has a ton of positions and is generally fine but I think the reach is just a hair long for me. I'll eventually probably swap them out for something more compact, but I don't think I'll go full upright yet. Tires - compass loup loups roll well but I've averaged a flat about every 3 weeks (more than once to a dinky little piece of wire). They are really the only thing i wish i'd spec'd differently on the original build. I'm swapping them out for some panaracer paselas on Will's advice. Hopefully these will be beefier.Brakes - levers are sweet, plenty of stopping power. I get disc brakes (my NFE has them) but in my [limted] practical experience they can be a pain. I might swap out for some pauls at some point just because i like the way pauls look not for lack of performance from the tektrosSackville medium - is awesome. I've commuted in pouring rain and stuff inside has stayed dry. There's plenty of room for my daily ride especially coupled with the front basket. I use a outershell foldable backpack as a stuff sack of sorts as the sackville stays on the bike.Aesthetics - The color is so nice in person, the web pics don't do it justice. I like, from a purely visual perspective, bikes with a flat Tt and shorter chainstays like the original Homer. But this bike still looks great and you can't argue with the ride quality.Saddle - replaced the old worn B17 with a Berthoud aspin. I couldn't get the tension on the B17 tight enough so it was time.It's a total cliche but this bike is versatile and so practical. I could see myself riding a century on it no problem or also loading it up for a s24o. I honestly don't understand why you don't see more talk about it on the group.



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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Justin, Oakland]

I would expect more Mixte Boots Wilson, less Traveling Wilbury.

-J

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 9:49:21 AM UTC-8, masmojo wrote:
>
> I am on board with the Mixte concept Grant has in mind; a Glorious or 
> Wilbury is my dream bike and if the Anniversary bike is anything like that 
> I am SO In!
> As a former XO-1 owner & current Atlantis owner, the idea of making an XO 
> throwback is a bit perplexing. I personally consider the Atlantis to be the 
> direct decendent of the XO-1. Now although the current interation of the 
> Atlantis is certainly an additional degree of separation from the XO, I am 
> not sure if a return to concept model is needed?
> FWIW, the current Rodini with Albastahce bars looks & feels so much like 
> my old XO it's spooky.

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Re: [RBW] Floor Living

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Maybe not, Joe. Others can decide. I bow to their decision. I believe it is on 
topic to riding, at least for people who use core muscles. Many of the 
challenges people experience with back and handlebars and other bits relate to 
core strength. I’m pretty sure Grant has commented that we aren’t supposed to 
put a lot of weight on our hands/handlebars and that core strength has weakened 
in recent decades, making this a greater challenge.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Floor Living

[Joe Bunik]

Isn't this rather off-topic?
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 2/5/19, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
 wrote:
> Ahhh, yes. Wayne, you’ve hit on one of the biggest challenges. Because of my
> brain injury, most people are too scented to come in the house, so we are
> poor hosts in that regard, long before the issue of seating comes up.
> Sardonic grin. Our somewhat amorphous plan for the possible future when
> folks who can’t sit on the floor visit inside is to make available the few
> chairs we still have, or pile more cushions on the platform sofas so they
> have a “normal” spot to sit. Rather like hosting someone vegan in a paleo
> household and attempting, however poorly, to extend hospitality. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Brett Callahan]

And Grant was into disc brakes before they were cool. Just with, y'know, 
bigger discs :)


On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 9:17:41 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> LOL! I say the following in response to those who express this sentiment, 
> not to Brett: NO SHIT!
>
> Grant has built an entire business empire on purposely and very 
> deliberately violating and defying trends!
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 7:56 AM Brett Callahan  > wrote:
>
>> One of the criticisms of Rivendell/Grant that I see frequently is that 
>> they're slow to respond to trends.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike shows and Rivendell

[Erik Wright]

Holy smokes! At PBE 2018 I was thinking "man, it would be cool if Riv were 
here." Dreams do come true. I wonder if this is some kind of 2019 plan they 
have to expand their audience?

Erik, Philly

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 3:37:46 PM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I could have easily missed earlier times, but I did notice that Rivendell 
> is listed as an exhibitor at both the upcoming NAHBS shows as well as the 
> Philly Bike Expo later in the year.  I like it!  Not that I will be able to 
> attend either, not the current plan anyway, but I am glad they will be 
> there.
>
> https://www.nahbs.com
>
> https://phillybikeexpo.com
>
> Bob
>

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[RBW] Floor Living

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ahhh, yes. Wayne, you’ve hit on one of the biggest challenges. Because of my 
brain injury, most people are too scented to come in the house, so we are poor 
hosts in that regard, long before the issue of seating comes up. Sardonic grin. 
Our somewhat amorphous plan for the possible future when folks who can’t sit on 
the floor visit inside is to make available the few chairs we still have, or 
pile more cushions on the platform sofas so they have a “normal” spot to sit. 
Rather like hosting someone vegan in a paleo household and attempting, however 
poorly, to extend hospitality. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: Canti Sam Hillborne 51cm, black and cream

[phil k]

Yes, she pointed out how I keep bikes around the apartment by handing them 
down to her, and that she's never had any say on the bikes she gets to 
ride. She is right of course, which is why I'm getting her a bike that she 
chooses.

I'll be shipping from Arlington, VA.

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 3:23:39 PM UTC-5, Collin A wrote:
>
> I've got the same agreement with my SO, ΔN=0! Where are you shipping from?
>
> Collin in Oakland
>
> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 11:02:08 AM UTC-8, phil k wrote:
>>
>> Did you want a 51cm canti Sam HIllborne and missed out? Well here's your 
>> chance to get one! This is a 51cm Sam Hillborne black with cream headtube, 
>> and cream decals. The decals are outlined in gold, which is a nice touch. 
>> It is in great shape.
>>
>> Your purchase will still support Riv, because I will be replacing it with 
>> another Riv (due to apartment size/agreement made with my wife, if one 
>> comes in, one must go).
>>
>> $1100 plus shipping via BikeFlights which includes, seatpost & bottom 
>> bracket which came with the frameset. I will also have bike shop pack the 
>> frameset too.
>>
>> I will post pictures when I get home from work today or in the morning.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet Refresh

[David Carner]

Bruce, 
I think I remember you mentioning that you did the Hattie 100 ride in 
Hattiesburg, Mississippi last Spring. Wondering if you plan to bring one of 
your revitalized Rivendells down for that this year?
David in Brookhaven, MS

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[RBW] Bike shows and Rivendell

[Bob Lovejoy]

I could have easily missed earlier times, but I did notice that Rivendell 
is listed as an exhibitor at both the upcoming NAHBS shows as well as the 
Philly Bike Expo later in the year.  I like it!  Not that I will be able to 
attend either, not the current plan anyway, but I am glad they will be 
there.

https://www.nahbs.com

https://phillybikeexpo.com

Bob

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[RBW] Floor Living

[Wayne Naha]

We are about to try this.  I am looking forward to seeing the benefits of a 
stronger core and greater flexibility.  I am a little iffy about when guests 
visit.  Especially in-laws.  Do you keep extra furniture about for those 
unaccustomed to floor living?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Canti Sam Hillborne 51cm, black and cream

[Collin A]

I've got the same agreement with my SO, ΔN=0! Where are you shipping from?

Collin in Oakland

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 11:02:08 AM UTC-8, phil k wrote:
>
> Did you want a 51cm canti Sam HIllborne and missed out? Well here's your 
> chance to get one! This is a 51cm Sam Hillborne black with cream headtube, 
> and cream decals. The decals are outlined in gold, which is a nice touch. 
> It is in great shape.
>
> Your purchase will still support Riv, because I will be replacing it with 
> another Riv (due to apartment size/agreement made with my wife, if one 
> comes in, one must go).
>
> $1100 plus shipping via BikeFlights which includes, seatpost & bottom 
> bracket which came with the frameset. I will also have bike shop pack the 
> frameset too.
>
> I will post pictures when I get home from work today or in the morning.
>

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[RBW] FS: Canti Sam Hillborne 51cm, black and cream

[phil k]

Did you want a 51cm canti Sam HIllborne and missed out? Well here's your 
chance to get one! This is a 51cm Sam Hillborne black with cream headtube, 
and cream decals. The decals are outlined in gold, which is a nice touch. 
It is in great shape.

Your purchase will still support Riv, because I will be replacing it with 
another Riv (due to apartment size/agreement made with my wife, if one 
comes in, one must go).

$1100 plus shipping via BikeFlights which includes, seatpost & bottom 
bracket which came with the frameset. I will also have bike shop pack the 
frameset too.

I will post pictures when I get home from work today or in the morning.

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[bfd853]

The Specialized 40th Anniversary Allez frameset was nice, but very pricey 
at $4000 for the frameset.  It was designed by Mark DiNucci, but made by 
Toyo, so good stuff. Only 74 were made.

Interesting, if you really want one, DiNucci still has the lugs, including 
the cool x-wing chainstay bridge, so for a little more, you can have a 
custom frameset build by Mark with these lugs.  

I wonder if Mark Nobilette will make Riv's 25th Anniversary frameset?!  

Good Luck!

On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 8:59:38 AM UTC-8, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:
>
> I remember when Specialized did the retro-versary reissues of the 
> Stumpjumper and the Allez. Or the Paramount 50th. Or De Rosa, Merckx, 
> Harley Davidson (the bicycle, not the motorbike) the list goes on. Retro 
> can be fun, but keep in mind not everything designed to be a collectible 
> ends up a collectible, and few of those retro-versary models will ever be 
> ridden. That's a shame. Personally, I like the idea that RBW would do a new 
> bike that represents everything they've learned so far - just like they 
> always have. I love my 6-year Anniversary All Rounder! One thing is for 
> certain: I will design a special anniversary head-badge poster at some 
> point during the year. I think all I need is the Gus-badge and whatever the 
> 25th edition will be to be up to date. Unless of course they come out with 
> other new models between now and the end of the year, which is not out of 
> the question given their history. I suspect Grant only shares with us 
> what's a little way up his sleeve. Can't wait to see what's further up. 
>
> Marty
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Yep, that was my reaction to the Roadini, too, especially in orange. It looked 
and felt like a direct descendent of my XOs, just with bigger wheels. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[masmojo]

I am on board with the Mixte concept Grant has in mind; a Glorious or Wilbury 
is my dream bike and if the Anniversary bike is anything like that I am SO In!
As a former XO-1 owner & current Atlantis owner, the idea of making an XO 
throwback is a bit perplexing. I personally consider the Atlantis to be the 
direct decendent of the XO-1. Now although the current interation of the 
Atlantis is certainly an additional degree of separation from the XO, I am not 
sure if a return to concept model is needed?
FWIW, the current Rodini with Albastahce bars looks & feels so much like my old 
XO it's spooky.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[James Warren]

Exactly!-Original Message-
From: Drw 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 8:57 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

The whole idea is ridiculous. even if this was a rip off (i don't think it is), hasn't riv introduced or pushed for enough things (to their own financial detriment) that other companies copy and sell cheaper years later, that they've earned the right?



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Patrick Moore]

LOL! I say the following in response to those who express this sentiment,
not to Brett: NO SHIT!

Grant has built an entire business empire on purposely and very
deliberately violating and defying trends!

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 7:56 AM Brett Callahan 
wrote:

> One of the criticisms of Rivendell/Grant that I see frequently is that
> they're slow to respond to trends.

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[RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Joe Bernard]

Yes it's ridiculous and we should probably stop reacting to the troll. Hence, 
why I deleted my first reaction to the troll. 

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[RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Drw]

The whole idea is ridiculous. even if this was a rip off (i don't think it 
is), hasn't riv introduced or pushed for enough things (to their own 
financial detriment) that other companies copy and sell cheaper years 
later, that they've earned the right?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Joe Bernard]

Being narrower may qualify as a worthy difference. 660 still seems wide to me, 
I've cut down several mtb bars to get to that number. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Kevin Mulcahy]

Now, On-One is a company who has business strategy involves blatantly ripping 
off company’s designs and undercuting them on price. See the “Geoff” handlebar 
for example. Not really a company you want to be citing as a victim here. I’ve 
never seen such a brazen ripoff and it really irks me. Even the name is 
insulting to Jeff Jones. 

I don’t think the Wavy bar is ground breaking or totally reductive. It is a 
little narrow, IMO, for an trail-riding bar. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Joe Bernard]

Riv *has* been selling a similar bend for years with the original Bullmoose. I 
believe the Wavie Bar exists because they're introducing a trail bike with a 
threadless steerer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am hoping the Wavie bars find their way to whatbars.com soon...  Does 
anyone know if they are already there but under a different name?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Eric Daume]

Yes, but it’s literally years after many similar bars we’re introduced. On
One had their Fleegle with a similar shape at least 10 years ago.

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019, Brett Callahan 
wrote:

> One of the criticisms of Rivendell/Grant that I see frequently is that
> they're slow to respond to trends.  Here, they've brought out a bar similar
> to a whole host of others in a nice finish made by a great manufacturer and
> they get criticized for that, too.  Go figure.
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[RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Brett Callahan]

One of the criticisms of Rivendell/Grant that I see frequently is that they're 
slow to respond to trends.  Here, they've brought out a bar similar to a whole 
host of others in a nice finish made by a great manufacturer and they get 
criticized for that, too.  Go figure.  

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Rivendell Joe Appaloosa

[Will Ashe]

I just realized you posted that’s it’s a 59...

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Rivendell Joe Appaloosa

[Will Ashe]

Derek,

If your Clem is a 59cm I’d be interested in purchasing. Let me know if you 
decide to let it go. 

Will Ashe
Austin, Tx

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Fullylugged]

Let me try this to see if it shows up:

  https://www.flickr.com/photos/9535930@N07/7030586049/in/album-72157612148124190/;
 title="1995  Rivendell Road Standard">https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6225/7030586049_0f160d2711_b.jpg; 
width="1024" height="768" alt="1995  Rivendell Road Standard">

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Fullylugged]

This is my 1995 Road Prototype. It was originally all Light English Blue, a 
Waterford classic color. Waterford made the bike for RBW using heavy wall 
Reynolds 753 tubes, a 531 fork with a bi-plane crown and Richard Sachs designed 
lugs. It was re-painted in 2011 at Airglow in Athens GA using the same light 
blue but with cream lugs and fork crown to match the cream in the decals.  It's 
being re-painted now due to a frame crack repair, but with the same colors as 
seen here. The frame measures 54.5 cm C-T on the seat tube, and I have always 
ridden it as a 650B conversion.

 https://flic.kr/p/bHgAhR

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[RBW] Re: Anyone use Alex Adventurer 2 rims?

[ascpgh]

I have an original Adventure, OEM on the Disc Trucker I use to commute. I 
had a front wheel built for my generator front hub with a Velocity Synergy 
(not a Cliffhanger) rim. The weight difference between the two was 
impressive, despite the generator hub of the new one. The Alex Adventurer 
is a heavy rim, and while it may have loose tolerances for roundness and 
width at the joint, my commuter with disc brakes overlooks that flaw. I 
carry about 25% less than you intend  on my daily commute but weigh 20-25# 
more than you depending on the weather and clothing necessary. 

I've stuck to Velocity or Mavic rims for reasons made clear by Peter White 
. Another ongoing thread 
speaks to the value of roundness and flatness of rims before building a 
wheel and many listers related the satisfaction of experience with a 
finished wheel that had little deviation of roundness or spoke tension due 
to the rim imperfections.  I value builders' observations regarding rims' 
quality. They also are pretty good at recommending them for use based on 
rider weight, application, drilling, brake format and hub to be used. 
Outlets of rims seldom have this degree of first person experience-based 
information on their websites, comparatives being just the specs and price. 

Use reports of rims seldom extoll virtues but rather criticisms revealed by 
failure or damage since a wheel that stays true, round, facilitate keeping 
the tubes/tires mounted and inflated are fairly discrete. I find it hard to 
point to the attributes of a wheel in use that are due to the rim itself 
except the brake web consistency over the joint. They do differ a lot in 
how tires install, both in ease of getting between the bead hooks and ease 
of seating for roundness while inflating.

What I can say about the Alex rim are really positive observations of 
attributes of disc format brakes rather than the rim. Besides being heavy, 
that wheel is out of round and seldom very precise in trueness. Can't 
really say if much of that is from the machine build or the drudgery of 
daily commuting through the seasons.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 12:02:15 PM UTC-5, Mat Grewe wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> Anyone have experience with Alex Adventurer 2 rims 
> ?  
> Over on the touring forum, I've read decent things about the original 
> Adventurer rim, but I haven't found anything about the latest, tubeless 
> compatible, version.  Seems like it could be an alternative to the Velocity 
> Cliffhanger at a fraction of the price.
>
> If it helps, I'm 160 and don't carry more than 30-35 pounds touring, 
> mostly on the front wheel.  I ride on all types of "roads" and singletrack.
>
> Thanks,
> Mat
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet Refresh

[Fullylugged]

Thanks to everyone for their nice comments and encouragements. Watch in a 
couple of weeks for my next project, the frame repair and repaint of my 1995 
Riv Road Prototype. It came to me from this list in 2009 and I've put over 9K 
miles on it since then.  It developed a partial circumferential chainstay (non 
drive side) crack. I sent a picture to GP who said it was very fixable, and he 
was correct. I pick it up on 2/23.

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