Re: [RBW] Fixed Gear Boots Puzzlement

[Max S]

Patrick, apropos your enjoyment of fixed gear riding, I wonder if the 
occurrence of eccentric muscle exercise that occurs during a portion of the 
pedal stroke on a fixed gear could be implicated in the ... therapeutic (?) 
mechanism? (See the part about the initial demo of eccentric vs. concentric 
muscle contraction work load involving a kind of fixed gear bicycle... 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eccentric_training) 

- Max (looking into eccentric exercise for my arms to deal with some RSI 
issues) 

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[RBW] Re: Brooks c19

[Steve Butcher]

{price drop and bump.  $900.00 shipped CONUS.

On Saturday, February 16, 2019 at 2:14:57 PM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> I'm offering for sale this C-19.  It has  been on my Roscoe  but have 
> decided to try  a change.  This saddle has had little use and always stored 
> indoors.  It has never been wet. The rails have slight marking from the 
> seat post clamp.  I'd rate it in excellent, like new condition.  I want 
> $100.00 for the saddle shipped in theCONUS.  paypal preferred.  Please 
> private message me with questions.
>  
> -Steve Butcher
>
> [image: 20190216_111506.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20190216_111526.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20190216_111526(2).jpeg]
> Stockton, Missouri.
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Re: [RBW] Fixed Gear Boots Puzzlement

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Max! I suspect you are right. It makes sense that eccentric muscle motion 
is part of my overall description of fixed gear as “feels like running (but 
with input to both feet all the time)” and “ballanced motion” of it. Moreso, I 
would think, with riding hills and trails, with loads of backpedal breaking. 
Beyond my general Scottish thriftiness, that would explain my distinct 
preverence for backpeddaling over handbrakes (which I only use as 
supplimental). Fascinating thought! Thanks!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Ride Report, Brothers in CA

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wonderful trip! Great looking Roadini. Thanks for the vicarious adventure!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[John Rinker]

DRW,

While I'm a sucker for paper maps and atlases, I do find the Gaia app for 
my iPhone (Android as well!) to be a very handy navigational tool. Without 
having to purchase another device (and I'm sure there are some fine one's 
out there!), the Gaia app costs $20 a year and you have access to all kinds 
of maps. I use the app all along the great divide last summer and it 
performed flawlessly. Gaia can be customized to show all kinds of 
information (time, distance, elevation, pace, ascent, etc.) Another cool 
feature is the ability to take a photo of a place and have it pinned on the 
map at that location. Check it out.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:23:42 AM UTC+5:45, Drw wrote:
>
> I know nothing about garmin things or other things that do mapping for 
> hiking/biking, though I’m moderately tech savvy in other areas of my life. 
> I’m finding myself very overwhelmed by online information 
> I’m looking for something that can: 
>
> -show a map on a screen but not need internet 
> -locate current actual location 
> -show trails as well as paved roads 
> -show elevation 
> -be no larger than a smartphone 
> -be charged via usb 
>
> It would also be cool if it could sync to something in a way that could 
>
> -provide directions in either step by step or linear format. 
> -link to an online history of rides and routes 
>
> Any direction of where to look and what to look at would be appreciated. 

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[RBW] Lug Calendar

[RichS]

Marty, thanks for posting the calendar. It’s a treasure. Delightful to see so 
many different lug designs.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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[RBW] Commuter oriented bike shop in LA?

[ctifusion]

I'm remotely helping a friend get back into commuting, he lives on the 
near-east side of LA. He picked up a nice converted vintage MTB but needs 
racks, bags and eventually some Riv-ish stuff.

I'm looking for a shop that understands the vintage Riv-inspired commuter 
and who may eventually be able to set him up with a basket and some 
Albatross bars.

Any recommendations?

Thanks,
Brynnar
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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Kevin Mulcahy]

What's your budget? Do you want to use your smartphone or a standalone 
device? As you mentioned, there's a lot of options.

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, John, for motivating me to look at Gaia again. They’ve developed it 
into a very useful app ... and the premium subscription includes Trails 
Illustrated maps, the printed maps I prefer. Brilliant! With that I may end up 
less a Luddite. Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joey:

Sorry for jumping into this thread (this may have already been addressed), but 
my Wahoo Elemnt absolutely does show offstreet bike trails. I ride almost every 
day on the American River bike path, which shows quite clearly. A friend and I 
rode across several East Bay cities on Sunday, and again we were using Elemnts 
to navigate on bike trails.

Maybe there’s a setting you’ve turned off?

Eric N
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> On Feb 18, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Joey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> I really like my Wahoo Elemnt Bolt. It meets all your requirements except 
> showing trails (I think it uses OpenStreetMaps so no bike paths). 
> Additionally, it's very low-profile. I especially like how customizable the 
> different screens are so you can have as little information as you'd like. 
> RidewithGPS integration is great (also does Strava but I can't speak on that) 
> and many people seem to prefer its interface to Garmin although I haven't 
> used a Garmin.
> 
>> On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 9:38:42 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>> I know nothing about garmin things or other things that do mapping for 
>> hiking/biking, though I’m moderately tech savvy in other areas of my life. 
>> I’m finding myself very overwhelmed by online information 
>> I’m looking for something that can: 
>> 
>> -show a map on a screen but not need internet 
>> -locate current actual location 
>> -show trails as well as paved roads 
>> -show elevation 
>> -be no larger than a smartphone 
>> -be charged via usb 
>> 
>> It would also be cool if it could sync to something in a way that could 
>> 
>> -provide directions in either step by step or linear format. 
>> -link to an online history of rides and routes 
>> 
>> Any direction of where to look and what to look at would be appreciated.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Rainy Day Rack Install

[Julian Westerhout]

Why use p-clamps? It looks like there are 2 holes (possibly threaded) in 
the dropouts -- they're lower and farther back, would be more secure 
mounting points,  and would make the rack geometry better (less backward 
tilting). I'm presuming the tilt is to try to avoid heel strike with 
panniers? 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 




On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-6, J Imler wrote:
>
> I don't think I've seen this before, so for all the Burley trailer-bike 
> folks. This is on my kid's Burley Kazoo.
>

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[RBW] Cycling Vest, Windbreaker, Jersey Jacket FS

[Craig Montgomery]

Too much stuff. Found these way back in closet. I'll never wear them so you 
wear them out. $25 shipped for one goodie.  $45 shipped for 2. $65 shipped 
for all three.  

Nashbar Illuminite Cycling Vest 2XL (more of an XL) $25 shipped

[image: Vest Illuminite.JPG]



Nashbar Windbreaker 2XL-Vented-sleeve elastic stretched $25 shipped

[image: Windbreaker.JPG]



Performance thin fleece Jacket 2XL-sleeves on this are really long for the 
gorillas out there. $25 shipped

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Craig in Tucson

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[RBW] Commuter oriented bike shop in LA?

[Justin, Oakland]

I don’t know the geography but I visited Golden saddle Cyclery when down there 
and it’s fantastic and very down to earth folks. 
-J

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Lynn Haas]

I've used the onX app in the past and was able to download detailed maps 
prior to my trip. It was a little fiddly to get set up, but worth it 
because it shows land ownership boundaries (very nice in areas where people 
really do shoot first and ask later) and as long as I had the correct maps 
downloaded before I left, it worked exclusively on GPS.

onX has become more hunting-oriented over the years, so if you aren't down 
with that, definitely go with another app.

Lynn

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 8:38:42 PM UTC-6, Drw wrote:
>
> I know nothing about garmin things or other things that do mapping for 
> hiking/biking, though I’m moderately tech savvy in other areas of my life. 
> I’m finding myself very overwhelmed by online information 
> I’m looking for something that can: 
>
> -show a map on a screen but not need internet 
> -locate current actual location 
> -show trails as well as paved roads 
> -show elevation 
> -be no larger than a smartphone 
> -be charged via usb 
>
> It would also be cool if it could sync to something in a way that could 
>
> -provide directions in either step by step or linear format. 
> -link to an online history of rides and routes 
>
> Any direction of where to look and what to look at would be appreciated. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[KC]

Good input Joe. I know you were steering me to the mid-drive and using it 
on the Groove. I guess I still have too much to learn to place an order. 
The people who we bought our house from had solved their problem with a 
front hub and were happy with it as far as doing what they needed from it - 
getting up the one big hill. I tested, by accident, a really nice e-bike a 
couple years ago. I didn't like the feel of  the pedal assist. It was fun 
to see what the bike could do. I just want to put on a little power when I 
really need it. I really liked that bike, but it was overkill for what I 
need and way too much money. 

I know you put a kit on a bike and then took it off to sell it. Must have 
been a mid-drive, so maybe it's simpler than it looks to me.  Doug P gave 
me the name of someone that does mid-drives (they want to see the bike) and 
I also spent quite a bit of time on the Luna website that I think you 
referred me to. I've been wanting to load up the bikes and go talk to the 
people at Luna so I guess it is time to do that. And then we can have a 
nice day riding that bike trail. We've done it a couple of times with 
friends that live a block away and we owe them a visit.
  
Then, I'll have to rethink the "not a 4th bike" idea and consider the Rad 
folder that has also been recommended by someone on the list. Leah, you may 
want to look into that one for your husband. 

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 9:21:54 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> KC, one caveat I'll throw out there right away is most front hub motors 
> seem sized for slightly larger dropouts than Riv forks use. I also have a 
> bit of trepidation about how slim the blades are. 
>
> Those front hub motors are not a good candidate for Rivs, in my opinion, 
> plus in general are overpriced for what you get. I think mid-drives or that 
> Copenhagen thing are the way to go. 
>

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[RBW] Re: The gratifying value of a good tailor and cycling clothing

[Brett Callahan]

Patrick, great anecdote and wonderful that you're supporting a local 
business with such a wonderful story. 

Assuming you have a Gmail account, why not write a quick Google review for 
him? If people Google the business to get address or hours, your review and 
a star rating will show up, which is great marketing. Businesses with only 
one or two reviews can really benefit from a five star review, and Google 
is more visible than things like Yelp. 

As to the thumbs up, he may have been asking for a "like" on Facebook, but 
I'm just guessing there. 

Regards,
Brett

On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 1:34:33 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Aside: How does one add an online "thumbs up" comment for AAA (it's AAA) 
> and 4 Seasons? I promised Reza I would do so, but have no clue where to go. 
> Also, Hale carpentry who made my home desk/wall shelf/cabinet -- true 
> professionals all. Sorry, clueless, Googled, no luck.
>
> Tx.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The gratifying value of a good tailor and cycling clothing

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. Someone less clueless than I showed me how to do a Google review,
and I left them for a couple of local businesses that I have worked with.

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 10:04 AM Brett Callahan 
wrote:

> Patrick, great anecdote and wonderful that you're supporting a local
> business with such a wonderful story.
>
> Assuming you have a Gmail account, why not write a quick Google review for
> him? If people Google the business to get address or hours, your review and
> a star rating will show up, which is great marketing. Businesses with only
> one or two reviews can really benefit from a five star review, and Google
> is more visible than things like Yelp.
>
> As to the thumbs up, he may have been asking for a "like" on Facebook, but
> I'm just guessing there.
>
> Regards,
> Brett
>
> On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 1:34:33 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Aside: How does one add an online "thumbs up" comment for AAA (it's AAA)
>> and 4 Seasons? I promised Reza I would do so, but have no clue where to go.
>> Also, Hale carpentry who made my home desk/wall shelf/cabinet -- true
>> professionals all. Sorry, clueless, Googled, no luck.
>>
>> Tx.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Drw]

I havent really thought about budget, but if was something that lasts a 
while, i would probably be willing to pay for it. 

For the phone apps, you use them without wifi/internet, but you download 
certain maps, is that correct?  how much planning ahead does that take? or 
i guess how much area do the maps cover? part of the reason i'm interested 
in something like this is for the ability to, on a whim, see where weird 
roads and trails go (and how high they go) without getting totally lost. 

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[John G.]

Another vote for the Wahoo Elemnt. Simple to use, and a lifesaver in densely 
populated areas that require frequent turns.

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

iPhone apps ... you describe them well. Download for off line use. This isn’t 
very difficult, but does take enough planning that you have the general area. 
However, mobile signal is often available even in pretty remote areas at least 
occationally. On ridges, above treeline, when the squirrels and wind 
inexplicably align. Grin. I leave my phone in airplane mode (saves battery), 
then connect once a day or so in a spot I guess will have signal. Phone memory 
is generally not an issue, so, when in doubt, download all areas around where 
you are going and you’ll have what you need.

In the case of Gaia, their premium membership is very attractive to me because 
their maps are what I use wherever possible. If I don’t need to buy paper for 
the whole route, that becomes very attractive.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Todd Ferguson]

Mark-

I have only done 2 rides but my first one - - about a 40 miler - - did offer a 
little off road terrain out by JFK including gravel,loose sand, railbed sized 
rock. The tires performed great and felt real pillowy over it all. They also 
rolled well on the road regardless of the little nubs which I was initially 
skeptical of as I wanted the Atlantis set up for the road. Also lots of glass 
on the road which I unsuccessfully tried to avoid and no flats! I have compass 
tires on my ram and quickbeam and these didn't feel any less supple (likely due 
to much bigger width and lower psi).

As for fenders I initially thought no problem but upon closer look you only 
have about a quarter inch clearance at fork blades. I think it's a no go but 
check with Will at Riv.

Todd

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, the front hub kit does work for some folks if you just want a little 
throttle over a hill, it just isn't great on Rivs..they fit big, chunky steel 
cruiser/rigid-mtb forks better. 

Mid-drive is simple to install if you're familiar with it, but not as dead 
simple as swapping wheels on a fork. Basically you gotta get that motor into 
the BB shell (replacing cranks, front derailer and shifter), then plug it into 
the harnesses to bar controls and battery. 

The tough question is how much you'll actually ride without power. In my 
experience the goal of only using assist on big hills quickly turns into the 
realization that your bike is now significantly heavier and has some drag. It 
ends up just making more sense to pedal in PAS 1 on the flats, which a 
throttle-only hub won't do. What about always using a bit of throttle? I tried 
that and it nearly cracked my wrist of..pedaling while holding down a thumb 
switch was NOT fun. 

Sorry if I'm offering more obstacles than solutions, but it's kinda my duty as 
the eRiv guy to help people skip some of the (very expensive) learning curve I 
was on. Good luck!

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Wally Estrella]

Just make sure your smart phone has a GPS chip and you should be OK.  I use 
Ride w/ GPS for my route creation.  I had downloaded my route for a bike 
trip last summer.  This for an area known for having no cell coverage to 
being very spotty at best in some areas.  My phone had lost it's routing 
after about 40 miles into a 60 mile ride out.  It had worked great, in 
airplane mode, up to that time. We made it out and back fine, but could see 
getting into trouble easily in some areas.



On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 12:26:08 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> I havent really thought about budget, but if was something that lasts a 
> while, i would probably be willing to pay for it. 
>
> For the phone apps, you use them without wifi/internet, but you download 
> certain maps, is that correct?  how much planning ahead does that take? or 
> i guess how much area do the maps cover? part of the reason i'm interested 
> in something like this is for the ability to, on a whim, see where weird 
> roads and trails go (and how high they go) without getting totally lost. 
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[RBW] Re: Commuter oriented bike shop in LA?

[dougP]

Golden Saddle http://goldensaddlecyclery.bigcartel.com/products is not far 
from downtown & kinda fun place.  Further afield is The Bicycle Stand in 
Long Beach http://thebicyclestand.org/
Linus has some neat stuff & is handled by several dealers.  
https://www.linusbike.com/

dougP

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 6:54:25 AM UTC-8, ctifusion wrote:
>
> I'm remotely helping a friend get back into commuting, he lives on the 
> near-east side of LA. He picked up a nice converted vintage MTB but needs 
> racks, bags and eventually some Riv-ish stuff.
>
> I'm looking for a shop that understands the vintage Riv-inspired commuter 
> and who may eventually be able to set him up with a basket and some 
> Albatross bars.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Brynnar
> Indy
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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Kathy Carroll]

I appreciate it. May test the rad. No more money than conversion.

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 8:10 AM Joe Bernard  Yes, the front hub kit does work for some folks if you just want a little
> throttle over a hill, it just isn't great on Rivs..they fit big, chunky
> steel cruiser/rigid-mtb forks better.
>
> Mid-drive is simple to install if you're familiar with it, but not as dead
> simple as swapping wheels on a fork. Basically you gotta get that motor
> into the BB shell (replacing cranks, front derailer and shifter), then plug
> it into the harnesses to bar controls and battery.
>
> The tough question is how much you'll actually ride without power. In my
> experience the goal of only using assist on big hills quickly turns into
> the realization that your bike is now significantly heavier and has some
> drag. It ends up just making more sense to pedal in PAS 1 on the flats,
> which a throttle-only hub won't do. What about always using a bit of
> throttle? I tried that and it nearly cracked my wrist of..pedaling while
> holding down a thumb switch was NOT fun.
>
> Sorry if I'm offering more obstacles than solutions, but it's kinda my
> duty as the eRiv guy to help people skip some of the (very expensive)
> learning curve I was on. Good luck!
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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Tom Wyland]

I've used Maps.me which leverages Open Street Maps.  It uses your 
smartphone GPS chip and can operate without an internet connection (as long 
as you pre-load the maps).  I use it when I travel internationally as well.
BicycleTouringPro details how to use Maps.me for bike touring somewhere on 
his site.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Joe Bernard]

I'd buy that Rad Mini now if I got back into ebikes. Kinda wish I did instead 
of about 7 other experiments I tried. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Steven Sweedler]

I am a regular  user of maps.me and it is very reliable offline. Very
worthwhile getting in and out of  urban areas where paper maps are of
little use. Very helpful in finding our lodging most evenings. Some of the
really dense hill towns can confuse it.Overall I am satisfied. Steve

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:22 PM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> I've used Maps.me which leverages Open Street Maps.  It uses your
> smartphone GPS chip and can operate without an internet connection (as long
> as you pre-load the maps).  I use it when I travel internationally as well.
> BicycleTouringPro details how to use Maps.me for bike touring somewhere on
> his site.
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[RBW] Lug Calendar

[A. Nostuh]

How many years will it be until this calendar has all the correct dates again? 

Al

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[RBW] FS: Nitto rack / handlebars, Campagnolo 10-speed parts, DTSwiss wheel

[Nathan Lee]

Cleaning out the closet and would love to make some space by getting rid of 
old bike parts.

*Campagnolo Centaur 10-speed (mostly) Group from 2009 - $200*

This is a well-loved used road group that should have some more life if 
they receive a little bit of servicing and love. Included is:

   - 
   
   silver/alloy 10-speed ultrashift levers. Some scratches on the levers, 
   but no tears or rips in the hoods. Usable, but could probably use a 
   servicing. The ultrashift allows for up to 3 downshifted cogs, and 5 
   upshifted (the later 2010 models of 10-speed took out this functionality).
   - 
   
   Standard 10 speed crankset. 170mm. 53/39 rings. No bottom bracket.
   - 
   
   Brakeset front and rear
   - 
   
   Short cage derailleur
   - 
   
   Braze-on mount front derailleur with adaptor clamp (for a 28.6mm seat 
   tube)
   

If desired, I could swap out the standard crankset for a compact Campagnolo 
Centaur crankset from the same era. 172.5mm length, 50/34t chainrings.

*Nitto 33R Campee Rear Rack – $100*

Nitto rack that has been used but still very usable. No rust or dents.


*Nitto Noodle Handlebars. 40mm wide, 26.0 clamp – $35*

Used nitto noodles, eventually changed out my wife’s bike to flat bars. 
Great classic bend drop bars with a slight 1cm backweep on the flats that 
lets you get a more upright and comfortable riding position.

*ProVibe 7S Anatomic Bend Handlebars. 42mm wide, 31.8 clamp - $40*

Incredibly stiff and lightweight alloy handlebars. Thick top section makes 
them really comfortable for riding on the flats. Great bars for getting low 
and sprinting

*DTSwiss 350 wheelset / DTSwiss 1.2RR rims. 32h, 3x laced, campagnolo AND 
shimano freehub body for 10 speed included – $180*

Great solid wheelset for riding. Could use servicing, but otherwise will 
give you a good amount of riding and use. I have 2 freehub bodies for 10 
speed cassettes (up to 11 speed for campagnolo) that will be included.

Photos can be seen here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JyMZxqvNKMqaR3TL6





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[RBW] Re: Lug Calendar

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

2000 will repeat in 2028 and 2056. 2001 will repeat in 2029, 2035, and 
2046. You can project further if you like. Plenty of calculators on the 
wwweb for that.

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 2:58:41 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:
>
> How many years will it be until this calendar has all the correct dates 
> again? 
>
> Al
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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Patrick Moore]

Joe: Any opinion about the Copenhagen Wheel? It has good reviews and (IMO)
aesthetically might go nicely with a Riv.

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:10 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Yes, the front hub kit does work for some folks if you just want a little
> throttle over a hill, it just isn't great on Rivs..they fit big, chunky
> steel cruiser/rigid-mtb forks better.
>
> Mid-drive is simple to install if you're familiar with it, but not as dead
> simple as swapping wheels on a fork. Basically you gotta get that motor
> into the BB shell (replacing cranks, front derailer and shifter), then plug
> it into the harnesses to bar controls and battery.
>
> The tough question is how much you'll actually ride without power. In my
> experience the goal of only using assist on big hills quickly turns into
> the realization that your bike is now significantly heavier and has some
> drag. It ends up just making more sense to pedal in PAS 1 on the flats,
> which a throttle-only hub won't do. What about always using a bit of
> throttle? I tried that and it nearly cracked my wrist of..pedaling while
> holding down a thumb switch was NOT fun.
>
> Sorry if I'm offering more obstacles than solutions, but it's kinda my
> duty as the eRiv guy to help people skip some of the (very expensive)
> learning curve I was on. Good luck!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Patrick Moore]

Imagination careering out of control, but I could see all sorts of custom
paint jobs on that big, Copenhagen Wheel disk ...

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 1:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Joe: Any opinion about the Copenhagen Wheel? It has good reviews and (IMO)
> aesthetically might go nicely with a Riv.
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:10 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Yes, the front hub kit does work for some folks if you just want a little
>> throttle over a hill, it just isn't great on Rivs..they fit big, chunky
>> steel cruiser/rigid-mtb forks better.
>>
>> Mid-drive is simple to install if you're familiar with it, but not as
>> dead simple as swapping wheels on a fork. Basically you gotta get that
>> motor into the BB shell (replacing cranks, front derailer and shifter),
>> then plug it into the harnesses to bar controls and battery.
>>
>> The tough question is how much you'll actually ride without power. In my
>> experience the goal of only using assist on big hills quickly turns into
>> the realization that your bike is now significantly heavier and has some
>> drag. It ends up just making more sense to pedal in PAS 1 on the flats,
>> which a throttle-only hub won't do. What about always using a bit of
>> throttle? I tried that and it nearly cracked my wrist of..pedaling while
>> holding down a thumb switch was NOT fun.
>>
>> Sorry if I'm offering more obstacles than solutions, but it's kinda my
>> duty as the eRiv guy to help people skip some of the (very expensive)
>> learning curve I was on. Good luck!
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[RBW] Off Topic: Questions about MacBook Pro, external monitor, heat, and screen burn-in

[Patrick Moore]

If you are interested, please contact me off list. Many thanks.

Riv content: Use MacBook Pro to post to RBW list.

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Brett Callahan]

I love seeing how everyone has their Rivs set up. Lots of inspiration in 
this thread. In the interest of keeping it going, here's a picture of my 
Sam parked outside Boxer Ramen in PDX last night.


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[RBW] Re: Commuter oriented bike shop in LA?

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Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Off Topic: Questions about MacBook Pro, external monitor, heat, and screen burn-in

[Peter White]

I've been struggling with computers for 30 years. How can I help?

PJW

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 3:49 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

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> Riv content: Use MacBook Pro to post to RBW list.
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[RBW] Re: Commuter oriented bike shop in LA?

[Drw]

Coco's is good too. Smaller than golden saddle, but full of fun 
vintage-into-practical rebuilds. The guys there seem genuinely interested 
in every weird project i've ever taken them. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Joe Bernard]

I have no experience with it, but it looks like simple way to covert a bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report, Brothers in CA

[lambbo]

:) Glad you enjoyed!

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 7:53:31 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Wonderful trip! Great looking Roadini. Thanks for the vicarious adventure!
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Get-Together and Garage Sale, Sat 3/16

[Jeremy Till]

NAHBS is once again in my town this year (Sacramento) so I thought I'd host 
a little get together for people on the iBOB and Rivendell Owner's Bunch 
lists. Like Rob Perks did in 2016, I'm doing it as a morning coffee time on 
Saturday morning, which is when I figure most people will be attending the 
show. The details: 

What: NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Coffee Get-Together and Garage Sale
When: Saturday, March 16 9-10:30 a.m. 
Where: My garage and driveway, in the Land Park neighborhood of Sacramento, 
1.8 miles from the Convention Center where NAHBS is being held. In the 
interests of not posting my home address online, if you are interested in 
coming, please RSVP to me and I will send you my address directly. 

As the title says, in keeping with the Marie Kondo craze and the interest 
of downsizing my parts collection, I'm hosting it at my place and will be 
throwing a garage sale at the same time. Basically anything that's not 
already on a complete bike will be up for grabs at what I hope are 
"everything must go" prices. It's an eclectic collection but includes 
various flared drop bars, a 7spd Nexus wheel/shifter, a few bags from Riv 
and VO, Time ATAC pedals, some SKS fenders, etc. 

I'll have a couple of boxes of hot coffee from local roasters Temple Coffee 
and maybe some donuts and/or pastries as well. Feel free to bring some 
treats to share, or if you want to show off your coffee outside setup feel 
free to brew up on the driveway. If there's interest as things are winding 
down, I can lead a "scenic route" ride of 45 mins - 1 hour starting from my 
place and ending at the convention center for the show.  

Hope to see you there!

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Re: [RBW] Off Topic: Questions about MacBook Pro, external monitor, heat, and screen burn-in

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Peter. Several possibly related matters:

I do more or less sophisticated word processing with multiple windows and
documents, and often have multiple search windows open in addition. Laptop
sits on hard desk surface with cables to power, peripherals. 2014 high-end
Macbook Pro, latest OS and Office  4K 42" gaming screen, old Laserjet, plug
in or blue tooth keyboard, and wireless mouse, with auto backup drive, in
case these details are useful.

1. My 2014 MacBook Pro has been shutting down more frequently -- 1,
possibly 2 times/week perhaps instead of never -- recently, mid-use, when I
have several windows open, usually multiple Google screens but sometimes
with multiple Word screens. I often -- not nec always -- hear the fan
running fast; and IIRC, this happens when the computer is asleep -- either
timed out or after I close the lid. No other problems with the computer
(well, except the occasional but separate/independent mid-use shutdown of
my big 4K external monitor).

2. From Google, some people say that running a MBPro with lid closed (I
often just use the big monitor) can cause the computer to heat up unduly;
and heat of course can make the laptop shut down.

3. I can simply keep the laptop lid open, but then others on Google talk of
screen burn in.

So, questions:

1. Shutdown: Heat, or some other culprit? I read of resetting the SMC but
from fan noise I wonder if it's a heating problem.

2. Will running the MacBook with lid closed cause it to heat up materially
more than with lid open?

3. Is the LED (I think that's the type) screen really susceptible to "burn
in"?

4. If so, is there a way to turn off laptop screen without turning off
external monitor? (I've looked and not found one.)

5. I have been keeping the MacBook running 24/7 on mains power, plugged in
to peripherals, just setting it to Sleep after 10 minutes of inactivity. Is
this bad? Suggestions for better?

Many thanks for your help!

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 2:17 PM Peter White  wrote:

> I've been struggling with computers for 30 years. How can I help?
>
> PJW
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 3:49 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> If you are interested, please contact me off list. Many thanks.
>>
>> Riv content: Use MacBook Pro to post to RBW list.
>>
>> (Have Googled; still questions.)
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report, Brothers in CA

[dougP]

Glad you had such a wonderful trip.  Now it sounds like you're hooked.  
What you rode, while excellent, gives you a taste of the riding available 
in that area.  One of my all time favorite rides is Crescent City to San 
Francisco.  Takes roughly a week, depending on individual taste in pacing, 
and features plenty of jaw dropping views.  San Francisco to San Luis 
Obispo via the Big Sur Coast is an extremely close second.  Both of those 
require some camping.  

While you were in the bay area, did you get to RBWHQ in Walnut Creek?  

dougP

On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 7:40:02 PM UTC-8, lambbo wrote:
>
> For years now I've been ogling the photos shared here of rides in the SF 
> area, and thinking about how I could make my way out there with a Rivendell 
> to do some climbing and have ocean views and not freeze to death...an 
> escape from Brooklyn was necessary.  
> In early December I asked the group for suggestions on a 3 day loop from 
> SF heading north... I was finally planning a trip out to see my brother and 
> have a little adventure.  
> There were lots of options, and we took a bit from a number of routes the 
> list shared; we started by taking the ferry to Vallejo and continuing up to 
> St.Helena, then heading up and over to Tomales, and finally back to SF 
> along rt. 1.
>
> A week before the ride I went around to some local bike shops and 
> eventually, at 718 Cycles, found a bike box to pack my Roadini into for the 
> flight. I've never done this, but I'm an artist and have packed a lot of 
> artwork, so I approached it like that...foam and zip-ties all around.  I 
> also watched a Rinko video by Jan Heine, which was really useful.   I have 
> the MKS Rinko pedal system on my Roadini, which made packing and setting 
> back up that much easier (being able to pop the pedals off without a wrench 
> is also great for saving space in the hallway to our apartment).  Alaskan 
> Air took it as a checked bag for no extra fee! When I arrived, I pulled the 
> bike out of the box, put the bars, wheels, and seat back on, popped on my 
> pedals, and was off in under 10 minutes! 
>
> My brother is in better shape than I am, and rides a delightfully light 
> weight Cad12 aluminum road machine, so I knew we would need to plan the 
> trip with days short enough that I could handle the climbing, and that he 
> could stay comfortable his plastic saddle. I only have a small saddlesac 
> for my Roadini, and my bro has a small RoadRunner bag, so we decided not to 
> camp.  Short credit card tour; there are definitely folks who have ridden 
> this exact route, about 150 miles, in one day. But we wanted to have fun 
> and hang out, which we did!
>
> 1 
> We started with 48 easy, relatively flat, miles on day one, keeping a 
> comfortable 16 mph average and just enjoying the beautiful warmth and new 
> surroundings as we cruised up the not-so pretty Nappy-Vallejo Highway for 
> some less comfortable but still beautiful miles (lots of traffic, none of 
> it cyclists) before getting onto the Silverado Trail, which really was 
> incredible.  Less traffic and many little side roads to explore, most 
> leading to spectacular vineyards.  We stayed on this route until 
> 'Zinfendel', essentially the outskirts of St Helena, where we had our 
> little B&B.  After chatting with the groundskeeper for a while, who gave us 
> a bottle of the owner's wine, we ditched our bikes and went into town, and 
> had one of the best pasta dishes I've ever had anywhere in the world 
> (Spaghetti with a parmesan-broth sauce over meatballs) and some stellar 
> wine.  I understand now why people go to Napa. 
>
> 2 
> The next day it was raining, but we were prepared with rain-kit.  I should 
> point out that I'm a wool-sweater, cotton t-shirt kind of rider, I don't 
> usually go for 'kit', but my brother is into it and, partly in excitement 
> about this trip, got me a Rapha winter jacket, and I got myself a Rapha 
> rain jacket (both on 60% off), and combined with my Rapha bib shorts which 
> I always wear on long rides, I was really comfortable through many showers 
> and even what felt like some hail, and everything fit easily into my jersey 
> pocket for the next weather change.  I still prefer a sweater for 
> breathability, but wouldn't it be nice if it fit in your back pocket, and 
> had it's own back pockets? ...thus I've been convinced of some 'kit'. 
> Especially the rain jacket - it's made for biking in the rain, and, thus, 
> is well suited for biking in the rain.  Anyways, we set out of St. Helena 
> to tackle our first real climb, and one of the biggest climbs I've done in 
> a long long time, over Spring Mountain road.  According to my altimeter, we 
> climbed about 2000 ft in 5 miles.  I know for you Californians that 
> probably just sounds like a normal 'hill', but here NYC we have the 
> Williamsburg Bridge and Bear Mountain, and that's abo

[RBW] Re: Commuter oriented bike shop in LA?

[sameness]

This. I dare say Coco's is a bit more commuter oriented than GSC as well.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 1:34:20 PM UTC-8, Drw wrote:
>
> Coco's is good too. Smaller than golden saddle, but full of fun 
> vintage-into-practical rebuilds. The guys there seem genuinely interested 
> in every weird project i've ever taken them. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[sameness]

I'm glad you had a good time out here and that the generally cooperative 
weather actually cooperated last week. I was out of town but by all reports 
Saturday was a sunny ol' SoCal beach day. 

And yeah, I forgot to mention, "bike path" is something of a broad spectrum 
catch-all around here. Everything and everyone uses it as they see fit, in 
varying degrees and measures of speed, spatial awareness, and common 
courtesy.

But hey, what's a day in LA without getting irate at the traffic?

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 4:38:47 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> We had the best time biking the Marvin Braude bike path on Saturday!
>

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[RBW] Re: Off Topic: Questions about MacBook Pro, external monitor, heat, and screen burn-in

[sameness]

A) Super OT

B) On late-2013 production MacBook Pros, the vents are on the underside

C) Prop up the back end of the laptop up with something that lifts it at 
least 1/4" higher, away from the vents

D) If you have pets you have dirty fans; bring it to a service center if 
you plan on keeping it running for the next year or two (or 10, since this 
is iBOB)

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[sameness]

Aww, too bad I missed it. Just checked my spam, definitely wasn't me, ha. 
Next time! 

And yeah, if you went to the Intelligentsia on Abbott Kinney, I'd be 
confounded if you didn't see another Riv in the neighborhood, it's a 
little... hip around there.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 3:30:22 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Jeff, do you know what I did? I decided to take you up on your offer of 
> insider information and I emailed you to ask about a hip coffee place to 
> start our day at. I sent it to the wrong email address, so who knows who 
> got my request - I never heard back. I did manage to find my way to 
> Intelligentsia and that was absolutely amazing. I wanted to stop everyone I 
> met that day and ask, “Did you start out your day with a rose petal on YOUR 
> croissant? No? Well, that’s too bad.” I don’t usually have carbs for 
> breakfast, but I will gladly make an exception for this place! No regrets. 
> Thanks for the help you gave me - I vastly enjoyed myself, traffic or not. 
> Cheers!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet - 54cm - $1,300 + shipping CONUS

[Bill in Roswell GA]

John,
I have a 54cm Ram, wear a size 10 shoe. I have a bit of toe overlap at low 
parking lot speeds. Doesn't effect my road riding, but I'm extra careful 
weaving through pedestrians and parked cars.
Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Saturday, February 16, 2019 at 7:27:53 PM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Mike
>
> Nice bike.  Do you know or can you measure the Front Center distance, the 
> distance from crank center to center of the front hub.  Need 61 cm to 
> prevent TCO
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>

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[RBW] PSA: Romulus FS

[Mark Schneider]

No affiliation, sounds nice though, not my 
size. 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hayward-rivendell-romulus/6822769789.html

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[RBW] Model/Size Recommendations for PBH 82ish -- In between sizes

[RDS]

Need some sizing/model suggestions for those that fall in between sizes on 
some models.  Due to shorter arms & not great flexibility, I want to be on 
the low end of sizing for a model versus the high end.  Meaning less 
seatpost showing vs more.  PBH 82ish.  Being overweight, I want to use 38+ 
wide tires (as a minimum) which might bump SO height up a little as the 
tire gets more wide and tall.  Living in Georgia, I do not have easy access 
for testing sizes.

*Here's what I know due to past purchases:*

Clem 52 H - I am on the top end of sizing .. could it have worked?  Yes, 
but not optimal for me plus asthetically, too much seatpost and stem exposed
Clem 59 L - with seatpost slammed, on the extreme of getting seat height to 
work -- slightly too tall
Sam 55 - Standover was uncomfortably too tall w/ zero room to spare and 
that was with either 32mm or 38mm tires

*So, trying to narrow down which models that I might be at the lower end of 
a size.*

So, Clem and Sam are out due to being on the high end of sizing for size 
51/52.  AHH, looks like I'm just slightly to small for size 54.5 which 
would put me at high end of sizing on a 51.  Atlantis, looks like I'd be at 
the upper end of size 50 & not quite enough SO for 53.

Am I right that my two best choices would be *Cheviot 55* (at 300+ lbs I 
may be too much weight for it) or *Appaloosa 51* as I might be in the 
middle end of sizing vs high end
.
Anyone near my PBH, feel free to send pics off list to me showing how much 
seat post is exposed & your PBH.  I want to get the tallest size I can get 
so that I have little seatpost and high bars.  With me having short arms & 
not being very flexible, I'll probably have to use a reach back style 
handlebar.

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[RBW] Model/Size Recommendations for PBH 82ish -- In between sizes

[Drw]

I don’t know that the difference between 52/59 Clem’s will be as drastic 
between a 55/51 Sam. The Clem’s feel bigger to me and their differences 
greater. Meaning I would maybe try the 51 Sam before you rule it out.

That said, I think a 51 Appaloosa would be great for you. Big tires, can handle 
a load, awesome fork crown, not sidepull brakes...

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[RBW] Re: Brooks c19

[LeRoy]

Here's a spare decimal point (.). it looks as though you might have lost 
track of one.  ;^)

LeRoy


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[RBW] Model/Size Recommendations for PBH 82ish -- In between sizes

[Joe Bernard]

You're not going to like the seatpost/stem extension on a 51 Appa if it 
bothered you on a 52 Clem. 

I'm 80ish PBH, short arms and fit well on a 55 Cheviot. I think the fit should 
work for you, but you're correct that it might be a little underbuilt (maybe 
talk to Riv about it).

For a stout Riv with a tad more standover than your Sam, take a look at the 54 
Hunqapillar on Ebay. It's a nice bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Model/Size Recommendations for PBH 82ish -- In between sizes

[James Warren]

A Hunqapillar is an incredible bike.

> On Feb 19, 2019, at 7:01 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> You're not going to like the seatpost/stem extension on a 51 Appa if it 
> bothered you on a 52 Clem. 
> 
> I'm 80ish PBH, short arms and fit well on a 55 Cheviot. I think the fit 
> should work for you, but you're correct that it might be a little underbuilt 
> (maybe talk to Riv about it).
> 
> For a stout Riv with a tad more standover than your Sam, take a look at the 
> 54 Hunqapillar on Ebay. It's a nice bike. 
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[RBW] NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Get-Together and Garage Sale, Sat 3/16

[Neil Doran]

Are you inviting listers to bring their wares to sell/trade? 

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