Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

It's better to burn out than it is to rust!

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks great with the new stem and bars and glad to hear that they are more 
comfortable!

I always find raw steel stems to be jarring to look at. Kinda 
fingernails-on-a-blackboard.
And, I can't help but think, 'Rust Never Sleeps!"

David Lipsky 
Berkeley

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 3:17:22 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> New plan. It looks less wild (and more silver) now, but I gave in to the 
> more familiar and comfy for my wrists V-O Milan cockpit with Ergon grips. 
> That motorcycle-style position just works for me..I feel more in control. 
> I'm going to pop the flared drops on my XO-1 and hit the trails they were 
> designed for.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Slick go-fast Rambouillet on Seattle CL

[S]

Yeah, if the customization was done later, I think matching the paint would be 
really challenging. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Slick go-fast Rambouillet on Seattle CL

[Joe Bernard]

What a crazy bike. The threadless fork with paint-matched top cap tells me this 
frame went in for a repair or repaint and came out a heavily altered 
Rambouillet with perfectly matched paint. Which is a dang hard thing to 
accomplish with that color. I'd love to know the story. 

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[RBW] Riv-ish bike shop in Ann Arbor?

[Dave S]

The Ann Arbor classic bike show is April 28th.  Ive never been but I hear its 
one of the largest bike swaps in the country.

www.ann-arbor-bicycleshow.com

Dave

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Slick go-fast Rambouillet on Seattle CL

[S]

As far as I know, the Ram was never offered with canti bosses. This bike 
has what appears to be the original orange Ram paint and decals, so my 
guess is that the owner arranged for the frame to be customized before 
painting . . . whatever the case, it's an interesting bike.

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 10:31:40 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>
> Pretty slick Ram on CL here: 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-rambouillet/6857239982.html
>
> Looks like a really fun go-fast build at a good price. Did they ever come 
> with canti brakes or was this customized?
>
> Darin
>
>

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[RBW] PSA: Slick go-fast Rambouillet on Seattle CL

[DarinM]

Pretty slick Ram on CL here: 
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-rambouillet/6857239982.html

Looks like a really fun go-fast build at a good price. Did they ever come with 
canti brakes or was this customized?

Darin

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Joe Bernard]

Nice work! I couldn't read that thing to save my life. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pretend New Bike Day: The Stolen Clem

[Leah Peterson]

You are good, Ray. I’m disappointed in myself now - but the good news is I know 
who’s got the right answer for me next time!

Tom - you saw this coming? Well, my day of reckoning will come; my 13 yo can’t 
ride the little Clem forever, and then the Purloined Clem is back in jeopardy. 
Of course, if the Anniversary Mixte is as great as I’m expecting, I’ll be 
comforting myself with that bike. Lemonade, out of lemons, people!

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
> 
> Try absconded with or purloined, Leah😉
> 
> Ray
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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[sameness]

Err, make that shorter head and SEAT tube and the obvious swoopy TOP tubes.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[sameness]

Looks to be something kinda like a 60cm Cheviot, but with a shorter head 
and top tube and the obvious swoopy top tubes.

Extrapolated these measurements all on my lonesome, none of this is coming 
from or vetted by Walnut Creek:

[image: RBW-F25-measurements-040519-03.JPG]


Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[sameness]

Works out to be pretty close to a 60cm Cheviot, but with a shorter head and 
top tube, and the obvious swoopy top tubes.

Extrapolated these measurements all on my lonesome, none of this is coming 
from or vetted by Walnut Creek:

[image: RBW-F25-measurements-040519.JPG]


Jeff Hagedorn
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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Ash]

Certain alt bars essentially offer an enhanced (more comfortable/ergonomic) 
hood position :)



On Friday, 5 April 2019 16:16:46 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jeff! Yeah I think it looks better, and it sure feels better. On 
> today's ride I was able to focus on the rest of the bike because I wasn't 
> concentrating on finding comfortable hand positions. I'm a hoods rider and 
> the RM-3 is clearly designed to be ridden in the drops.  

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[RBW] Re: Pretend New Bike Day: The Stolen Clem

[Ray Varella]

Try absconded with or purloined, Leah😉

Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

[Doug Van Cleve]

Thanks :^)

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:50 PM J Imler  wrote:

> My Chocomoose measure 54cm.
>

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[RBW] eJoe

[J Imler]

I couldn't go through with adding an e kit to my Appaloosa. I bought my son a 
16in Specialized Hotrock and I got a 59 Grilver Clem L instead. 

:)

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

[J Imler]

My Chocomoose measure 54cm.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv HHH tandem fundraiser 2.0, updated campaign!

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

 New update!


Hey all! I passed along our initial withdrawal sent to us by Go Fund Me in 
the amount of $1750...I'll do the rest when they do their next (I think 
monthly) withdrawal. I talked with Will today and we went over a build 
list. If you have any of these items and you're willing to donate/ship them 
to Riv, please indicate your name etc on this Google spreadsheet linked 
here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3bY8-FZaXw7SIsJkg2fkQNCtCtAlxafP3xlrLh7VSM/edit?usp=sharing

I'll check this in a few days and see where we're atthanks so much!

(I'm donating a tandem crankset)

-Alex in Rochester

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[RBW] Re: Metal Fabrication of headbadge type thing?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What a humbling, wondrous surprise! I’m floored. Someone generously combined 
their funds with our meager bit and out the blue I get an email informing me a 
custom headbadge is in the works. Wow. There are several ahead of me, so there 
is time for my daughters to work up a design based on loose bits I snagged from 
the interwebs. We shall see what they all come up with! Doubtless a 
celtic/viking motif will be involved. 

In other, highly related news, Beorn is in traveling bear form wending his way 
to Pikes Peak from Mt. Diablo, due to arrive (inasmuch as one can schedule a 
bear), mid next week. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks, Jeff! Yeah I think it looks better, and it sure feels better. On 
today's ride I was able to focus on the rest of the bike because I wasn't 
concentrating on finding comfortable hand positions. I'm a hoods rider and the 
RM-3 is clearly designed to be ridden in the drops.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[sameness]

My favorite iteration. Looks like it was born that way.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 3:17:22 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> New plan. It looks less wild (and more silver) now, but I gave in to the 
> more familiar and comfy for my wrists V-O Milan cockpit with Ergon grips. 
> That motorcycle-style position just works for me..I feel more in control. 
> I'm going to pop the flared drops on my XO-1 and hit the trails they were 
> designed for.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Metal Fabrication of headbadge type thing?

[sameness]

You could possibly get to the same place with acid etching if you are OK 
with fairly two-dimensional relief.

Alternatively, this seems like the kind of project which positively begs 
for a 3D printer.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:46:17 PM UTC-7, lambbo wrote:
>
> Make one - buy some lead, thin copper, aluminum, or tin, make a drawing on 
> it, put it on a piece of leather or felt on a hard surface, and hammer the 
> design into it.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

[David Bivins]

All I know is that I replaced the Clem Bosco bars with the Chocomoose from
Blue Lug and now it rides like a dream. Part of the problem is that I'm
heavy, and in start-stop traffic in NYC I would sometimes put a lot of
force on the bars and move them in the stem, regardless of how tight I had
the stem. That was my impetus to try a "moose" style stem/bar. Now I'm
hooked. I also got the Boscomoose from Riv, but I haven't even tried it yet
because the Choco is so great.

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:49 PM Coal Bee Rye Anne 
wrote:

> My recollection is that the Riv moose variety of the Riv Choco bar
> actually has/had a slightly longer grip section on the backswept portion vs
> the non moose choco bar but otherwise they were the same width center to
> center.  54cm sounds about right but my Chocomoose are currently
> inaccessible due to an impending move and being buried among other items
> getting packed away for a while.
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Re: [RBW] Grant’s Hillybike Concept Attempts to Restore Balance to the Speed of Humanity

[Patrick Moore]

I remember when 0-60 in six seconds was marketing buzz for Corvettes. About
5 years ago, one of the Camry 6-cyl models (this is America's favorite
family sedan) could do the same. I rented a Camry circa 2014, undoubtedly a
large 4-cyl because fleet, and it accelerated so fast that at first I
thought that the speed was calibrated in KPH.

My 1984 Passat wagon had a claimed 88 bhp; my 1996 Saturn SL2 about 120;
1990 Voyageur 140; my current PTC 150 (all figures claimed for cars when
new). I came close to getting myself in trouble with all of those.

I have to say though that after driving several fleet full-sizes with large
4s over Raton Pass to CO Springs, it is really amazing what they've done
with engines. Cruise at 90 with load, climb the Pass at 70-75 with engine
in 5th at 5-6K rpm, and still get 30+ mpg.

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:26 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 4/5/19 6:15 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> One way to solve this for automobile drivers is to limit bhp to no more
> than 50 for a full-sized sedan equipped to carry a family of 6, and 30 for
> a compact until one has scored a sufficiently high composite number built
> from IQ, age, years driving, sex, family status, number of dependents,
> driving record, music listened to, and hours of television watched per
> year. Showing serious interest in national politics would immediately
> reduce your score by 40%.
>
>
> Or, you could just have someone walk in front of each automobile waving a
> large flag or carrying a lantern to warn bystanders of the vehicle's
> approach.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws
>
> [image: Image result for waving flag in front of automobile]
>
>
>
>
> More seriously, cars just have too much hp today for the average idiot. I
> know that I myself was very many times saved from my own stupidity as a
> youth by driving cars with limited bhp.
>
>
> No kidding.  Back in the 1960s, the heyday of the American muscle car,
> 0-60 in 6 seconds was amazingly fast.  And we're talking roaring, smoking
> beasts here, all-out high performance factory hot rods.  Now, the 2020 750i
> BMW luxury sedan will do 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, which used to be regarded as
> supercar time.   A Mercedes wagon - not the AMG high performance model, but
> the ordinary E450 luxury wagon, will do 0-60 in 5.1 seconds.
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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[tc]

I personally wish Grant would consider toning down the MTB (or what he 
calls MMB) hate rhetoric a bit.  He shouldn't have to disparage the MTB, 
and those who like them, in order to prove the usefulness of the Gus, or 
any 'hlllybike' he designs.  Marketing is one thing, but bashing the MTB 
(and therefore those who ride them) doesn't really come off well, as 
written. He's painting with too wide a brush.  It also implies that he 
isn't aware of the singletrack environs that are vastly different from the 
hilly paths of Mt. Diablo, where MTBs really shine.  And I'm just talking 
about a simple hard tail here.  I don't ride a hard tail to show off, or to 
take stupid risks, or to go faster than I can responsibly handle, or to 
tear up mother nature just for fun.  And I don't wear motocross clothing 
when I ride my MTB ... usually gym shorts or warm up pants and a tshirt or 
hoodie.  The MTB is a better tool for the job for many environments because 
it smooths things out a bit and also helps keep that tire on the ground.  
Probably also important to say that, from what I've seen of where the Riv 
crew rides, an MTB is overkill.  Maybe he's reacting to those people ... so 
maybe his focus should be on them, not all MTBs, not all MTB riders.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Grant’s Hillybike Concept Attempts to Restore Balance to the Speed of Humanity

[Steve Palincsar]

On 4/5/19 6:15 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
One way to solve this for automobile drivers is to limit bhp to no 
more than 50 for a full-sized sedan equipped to carry a family of 6, 
and 30 for a compact until one has scored a sufficiently high 
composite number built from IQ, age, years driving, sex, family 
status, number of dependents, driving record, music listened to, and 
hours of television watched per year. Showing serious interest in 
national politics would immediately reduce your score by 40%.



Or, you could just have someone walk in front of each automobile waving 
a large flag or carrying a lantern to warn bystanders of the vehicle's 
approach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws


Image result for waving flag in front of automobile





More seriously, cars just have too much hp today for the average 
idiot. I know that I myself was very many times saved from my own 
stupidity as a youth by driving cars with limited bhp.



No kidding.  Back in the 1960s, the heyday of the American muscle car, 
0-60 in 6 seconds was amazingly fast.  And we're talking roaring, 
smoking beasts here, all-out high performance factory hot rods.  Now, 
the 2020 750i BMW luxury sedan will do 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, which used 
to be regarded as supercar time.   A Mercedes wagon - not the AMG high 
performance model, but the ordinary E450 luxury wagon, will do 0-60 in 
5.1 seconds.



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Re: [RBW] Grant’s Hillybike Concept Attempts to Restore Balance to the Speed of Humanity

[Patrick Moore]

One way to solve this for automobile drivers is to limit bhp to no more
than 50 for a full-sized sedan equipped to carry a family of 6, and 30 for
a compact until one has scored a sufficiently high composite number built
from IQ, age, years driving, sex, family status, number of dependents,
driving record, music listened to, and hours of television watched per
year. Showing serious interest in national politics would immediately
reduce your score by 40%.

More seriously, cars just have too much hp today for the average idiot. I
know that I myself was very many times saved from my own stupidity as a
youth by driving cars with limited bhp.

As for slowness rage in cycling, age takes care of that, at least for
oneself!



On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 2:29 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I found this fascinating, in light of Grant’s lamentations on the state of
> trail riding bikes. The idea of “slowness rage” as another modern illness
> is disconcerting, yet we’ve all experienced it, both in ourselves and in
> others. http://nautil.us/issue/71/flow/why-your-brain-hates-slowpokes-rp
>
> On my bike, I experienced it in myself though the constant metrics of a
> cycling computer and riding to the metrics instead of to my enjoyment.
> Could I ride to my enjoyment with a computer? Likely, but then I’d be
> constantly “not thinking about the elephant,” and I’m not very good at that.
>
> In drivers, I have largely eliminated it through the “smile and wave”
> approach, but still experience it in drivers who pass unsafely. They go
> wide around me on blind section of road when oncoming traffic can’t be
> seen, or worse, pass when there is clearly oncoming traffic. Interestingly,
> between the “smile and wave” and riding in the lane’s right tire track
> instead of hugging the right shoulder, they almost always pass me with
> plenty of room, which of course would be negated should they plow into
> oncoming traffic.
>
> In other cyclists (because “people on bikes” doesn’t really change minds
> and hearts, does it?) I experience it much the way it seems Grant does. The
> technology promotes speed without thought or skill. Speed as an
> entitlement, a right. And the accompanying superiority of the “club” who is
> fast because of what they wear. This is hilarious to see directly
> confronted when I pass them (as I do most cyclists if we’re going the same
> way)  in their befuddlement at my speed (generally while climbing) on
> “inferior” technology. These are the riders who “rest their bikes” on the
> way up and bomb beyond their skill or thought of others on the trail down
> because they “earned it.” The entire approach of the hillybike, and Grant
> et al from the begenning, is counter to this. It’s an uphill climb! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[J Edward]

Congrats on the new Atlantis! I’ll weigh in here and say if you like to tinker 
and have access to some spare rack parts you might be able to make the Surly 
rack work—the mounting hardware is extremely versatile. Surly doesn’t recommend 
using their 8 and 24 pack racks on bikes without the proper braze ons, but I’ve 
seen them set up attached to the fork crown brake hole before. If done right I 
don’t see a problem there. 

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[RBW] Re: Metal Fabrication of headbadge type thing?

[lambbo]

Make one - buy some lead, thin copper, aluminum, or tin, make a drawing on 
it, put it on a piece of leather or felt on a hard surface, and hammer the 
design into it.  

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> Wow. Impressive work. Unfortunately, all way beyond our budget. I think 
> she was thinking something like a walking stick badge with a bear. $20 or 
> so.
>
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[RBW] Metal Fabrication of headbadge type thing?

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Wow. Impressive work. Unfortunately, all way beyond our budget. I think she was 
thinking something like a walking stick badge with a bear. $20 or so.

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Re: [RBW] Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Eric Daume]

Second this. I run my Walds this way, no real complaints.

Eric

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> The attachment hardware that comes with the Wald is pretty burly and
> stable without a rack. If your handlebar config supports it, you could try
> running that way for a while.
>
> Mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

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My recollection is that the Riv moose variety of the Riv Choco bar actually 
has/had a slightly longer grip section on the backswept portion vs the non 
moose choco bar but otherwise they were the same width center to center.  54cm 
sounds about right but my Chocomoose are currently inaccessible due to an 
impending move and being buried among other items getting packed away for a 
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[RBW] Metal Fabrication of headbadge type thing?

[Daniel D.]

Love looking at her work 
https://www.headbadges.com/store/c2/Headbadges.html

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Re: [RBW] Metal Fabrication of headbadge type thing?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Jen Green:  https://www.headbadges.com/ !  She can work from a drawing or
photo...

Doug

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> My Boots will be named Beorn and thus my wife wants to get a bear badge
> (brass or metal of some kind) for it. Ideas of where to find such a thing?
>
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[RBW] Metal Fabrication of headbadge type thing?

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I love looking at her work 
  https://www.headbadges.com/store/c1/Featured_Products.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

[Doug Van Cleve]

Well I just found this under the RBW Choco Moose listing:

" Assuming price is not the decider, how to pick:

If you’re putting it on a mountain bike or a bike for loaded touring, and
that bike isn’t too small for you, get the CHOCO-MOOSE. Why not? It’ll work
great.

For any roadish or touringish bike get the CHOCO-NORM.

Specs
CHOCO-MOOSE: CrMo, 2.25lb, effective extension 12cm, 54cm wide.
CHOCO-NORM: Heat-Treated 2014 Aluminum, 0.75lb, 54cm wide.

Not to indulge your obsession with weight, only to make apples-to-apples
easier: A CHOCO-NORM with a 12cm Tallux stem weighs 9.6oz less than a
CHOCO-MOOSE"

So it appears there might only be one version...

Doug

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> Doug,
>
> I believe the Chocomoose are the same width as the standard Choco bar,
> which Riv states as 54cm wide. I say “believe” because I “think” I measured
> my Chocomoose when I got them and they matched, but to be sure I’d have to
> do that again. With the success of the Bullmoose bars, the Chocomoose are
> in reserve somewhere and I’d have to dig them out.
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Metal Fabrication of headbadge type thing?

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My Boots will be named Beorn and thus my wife wants to get a bear badge (brass 
or metal of some kind) for it. Ideas of where to find such a thing?

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.CatholicHalos.org
www.DeaconPatrick.org

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

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Doug,

I believe the Chocomoose are the same width as the standard Choco bar, which 
Riv states as 54cm wide. I say “believe” because I “think” I measured my 
Chocomoose when I got them and they matched, but to be sure I’d have to do that 
again. With the success of the Bullmoose bars, the Chocomoose are in reserve 
somewhere and I’d have to dig them out.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Grant’s Hillybike Concept Attempts to Restore Balance to the Speed of Humanity

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I found this fascinating, in light of Grant’s lamentations on the state of 
trail riding bikes. The idea of “slowness rage” as another modern illness is 
disconcerting, yet we’ve all experienced it, both in ourselves and in others. 
http://nautil.us/issue/71/flow/why-your-brain-hates-slowpokes-rp

On my bike, I experienced it in myself though the constant metrics of a cycling 
computer and riding to the metrics instead of to my enjoyment. Could I ride to 
my enjoyment with a computer? Likely, but then I’d be constantly “not thinking 
about the elephant,” and I’m not very good at that.

In drivers, I have largely eliminated it through the “smile and wave” approach, 
but still experience it in drivers who pass unsafely. They go wide around me on 
blind section of road when oncoming traffic can’t be seen, or worse, pass when 
there is clearly oncoming traffic. Interestingly, between the “smile and wave” 
and riding in the lane’s right tire track instead of hugging the right 
shoulder, they almost always pass me with plenty of room, which of course would 
be negated should they plow into oncoming traffic.

In other cyclists (because “people on bikes” doesn’t really change minds and 
hearts, does it?) I experience it much the way it seems Grant does. The 
technology promotes speed without thought or skill. Speed as an entitlement, a 
right. And the accompanying superiority of the “club” who is fast because of 
what they wear. This is hilarious to see directly confronted when I pass them 
(as I do most cyclists if we’re going the same way)  in their befuddlement at 
my speed (generally while climbing) on “inferior” technology. These are the 
riders who “rest their bikes” on the way up and bomb beyond their skill or 
thought of others on the trail down because they “earned it.” The entire 
approach of the hillybike, and Grant et al from the begenning, is counter to 
this. It’s an uphill climb! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.DeaconPatrick.org

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

[Doug Van Cleve]

Thanks Patrick,

It never occurred to me that it might be different...  I don't know what
the RBW specs were, can't find anything on the website now.  Blue Lug seems
to say theirs is 54cm wide, at least I assume that is width since I can't
think of anything else it might be.  Anybody know if that is the same?

Regards, Doug

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> Look closely at the dimentions et al on the Blue Lug version. The
> Bullmoose is narrower than Riv’s Bullmoose bar (66cm vs. 61?), which I
> found out the hard way getting one from Ben’s Cyclery (I decided to keep it
> for the shipping issue of a big bar, though they generiously offered to
> take it back. They were unaware of the difference). I think Riv now has
> exclusive on their Nitto bar designs (which is a good thing), but it also
> means bars with the same basic design with “just enough” changes may be out
> there.
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

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Look closely at the dimentions et al on the Blue Lug version. The Bullmoose is 
narrower than Riv’s Bullmoose bar (66cm vs. 61?), which I found out the hard 
way getting one from Ben’s Cyclery (I decided to keep it for the shipping issue 
of a big bar, though they generiously offered to take it back. They were 
unaware of the difference). I think Riv now has exclusive on their Nitto bar 
designs (which is a good thing), but it also means bars with the same basic 
design with “just enough” changes may be out there.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

[Doug Van Cleve]

Hey Joe,

I have no idea what RBW was selling them for when they had them.  I just
Googled "chocomoose" and Blue Lug popped up.  Shipping is not super cheap,
but if you include one of their t-shirts in your order, shipping is free
and you get a shirt for a bit less than just the bars shipped...

Regards, Doug

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> Wasn't that a $160 bar from Riv? If Blue Lug is asking $83 I'd jump on it;
> there aren't a billion of them out there.
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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[A. Nostuh]

69.5 degree head angle.. even slacker than the cheviot!

Al in Saratoga 

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

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The attachment hardware that comes with the Wald is pretty burly and stable 
without a rack. If your handlebar config supports it, you could try running 
that way for a while. 

Mike 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

[Joe Bernard]

Wasn't that a $160 bar from Riv? If Blue Lug is asking $83 I'd jump on it; 
there aren't a billion of them out there. 

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

IMO this should have been two separate posts to avoid some of the confusion.
To Jeff, and others who are incredibly insightful and logical in your 
investigative skills thanks.
To the other 50% who struggle interpreting Grant’s designs and intentions 
thanks also for the cheap laughs and entertaining opinions. (I sincerely mean 
that). Not intended as sarcasm).
Much Riv love to all.

Ryan
West Michigan (via Mexico today).

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

[J Imler]

I have Chocomoose bars on my Joe and don't plan on changing them out anytime 
soon. I think $90ish is a fair price.

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[RBW] Orange Seal stayed liquid ~ 5 1/2 mos; didn't build up "skin" after ~15 mos

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, in case it's useful: After a few months of procrastination, I girded
my loins with an Old Testament metaphor and opened up the front, tubeless
Big One on the Matthews, thinking that I would have to clean off a dried
"skin" after almost 15 months, and thinking that, after what turned out to
be almost 6 months, no liquid sealant would remain inside -- tho' I had
noticed with pleasure that I had not been getting thorn flats despite
carrying thorns around in the tread for miles.

1. Nope, no skin after 15 months since installing the Big Ones on 13 Jan
2018 and repeated infusions of Orange Seal Regular.

2. I ordinarily add 2 oz sealant every 3 mos, but turns out I had last
added it on Oct 20 2018, no more until today. Found at least1 oz and
probably closer to 2 fl oz remaining in front tire.

3. Was able, using Jan's instructions (more or less; pinch casing to work
beads onto shoulders), to get tire sufficiently seated that it held enough
air for the pressure to pop the beads back on the shoulders. I pumped it up
to (by thumb test) close to a super-hard 30 psi: Pow! Pow! Pow! There was a
bit of seepage around the bead that stopped after 10 min or so -- am
leaving tire off bike just in case have to clean further. No need for
compressor!

Note that the beads had stretched since initial installation; easy to get
one bead off rim; easy to get both back onto shoulders.

4. Damned mess stuff, sealant, dribbling all over the floor and the
workbench, and requiring elbow work to clean it off rim, tire, and spokes
-- liquid, and dried to various consistencies; hardest required steel wool.

5. Infused 1 fl oz from new bottle of Orange Seal Endurance; had been using
O S Regular. We'll see how this plays.

Altogether, chuffed that sealant lasted almost 6 mos, albeit in colder and
certainly wetter weather this winter; and even more so that it hadn't
formed a skin. When I removed a F Fred in 2018 after ~2 years, it had
gained 100-150 grams in weight from dried sealant; a lot for a 360 gram
tire.

Sealant in tubes: I've found Stan's boluses in tubes after 18-24 months,
but OS seems to remain liquid in tubes as long as it does in the bottle.

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[RBW] Riv-ish bike shop in Ann Arbor?

[Matt Beecher]

I have stopped by Sic Transit Cycles a few times. They also had some used bikes 
in the basement the last time I was there. You had to ask to see them. 

Best regards,
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[RBW] Re: Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Tim Baldwin]

Those Pass and Stow racks are sweet. I think I overlooked because of the 
price. But I use my rack just about everyday so I might as well get exactly 
what I want. Just saw that he's now offering the anything cage mounts on 
the legs. 
I'm curious what kind of weight limit there will be on the Riv basket rack. 
That will be my deciding factor.

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>
> I’m pretty set on the upcoming riv rack. That said, pass and stow rack is 
> excellent for what you describe. I just sold mine because I don’t ever put 
> more than a few pounds up front, but if I did, I’d want that rack. Super 
> sturdy but not gigantic, can take a pannier, internal wiring and 
> excellently placed light mount. 

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, Haulin Colin. Yes, I'm mixing people up, sorry. 

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ah, but -- Bill Lindsay: Chev's did have two spellings of the same name on 
the same model ... so there's that.

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> "I thought there were both h and l Clem’s." 
>
> Eventually. They started with "his and hers" names, then I think somebody 
> gave Grant some grief about it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my 61 Roadini set up!

[Joe Bernard]

Matt, you'll need the "we'll take anything in return" policy of Amazon for 
that. Stems tend to get marked at the headset topnut after a few rides, so it's 
quite difficult to return them as new. 

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Drw]

Yep. Unless he stopped like a month ago. He even has some new product stuff. 
https://www.passandstowracks.com

Are you thinking haulin colin?

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Joe Bernard]

"I thought there were both h and l Clem’s."

Eventually. They started with "his and hers" names, then I think somebody gave 
Grant some grief about it. 

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Joe Bernard]

Does Pass and Stow still exist? I was under the impression that guy stopped 
making them. 

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Drw]

I’m pretty set on the upcoming riv rack. That said, pass and stow rack is 
excellent for what you describe. I just sold mine because I don’t ever put more 
than a few pounds up front, but if I did, I’d want that rack. Super sturdy but 
not gigantic, can take a pannier, internal wiring and excellently placed light 
mount. 

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Drw]

I guess I was caught on the 2 names for one bike thIng. Though I now remember 
the historical precedent. 
So we have Gus, which is the stout bike we’ve all seen now. AND we will have 
Susie/Wolbis, which would be less stout but still take a 2.8 tire? 

If that’s the case I’m way more excited about this project than I was when it 
was just Gus.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish bike shop in Ann Arbor?

[Sean Kline]

Thanks Jack! I didn't know about Student Bike Shop (I left Ann Arbor in 5th
grade, in fact). ~Sean

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 9:49 AM Jack K  wrote:

> When I head back to A2 there are 3 shops I like to visit, though I'm not a
> good judge of how Riv-ish they are:
>
>- Midwest Tandem: Lots of tandems (doh!) and recumbents and usually
>some other interesting velocipedes in the shop to gawk at. Be prepared to
>spend some time, as the owner tends to be pretty chatty.
>https://www.yelp.com/biz/midwest-bike-and-tandem-ann-arbor
>- SIC Transit Cycles: Probably the shop in A2 most like what you asked
>for. Good folks, good selection of stuff.
>https://www.yelp.com/biz/sic-transit-cycles-ann-arbor?osq=Bicycle+Shop
>- Shinola Lifestyle Boutique: Shinola has a showroom on Main St.
>downtown that's fun to walk through. Get yourself a cappuccino from the
>Shinola espresso bar and enjoy a leisurely tour of chi chi leather goods,
>watches and bicycles from Shinola. I can't imagine buying anything there,
>but I do enjoy wandering through.
>
> Since you grew up in A2 I assume you know to stay away from Student Bike
> Shop. They've been selling stolen bikes and abusing customers for at least
> 30 years that I know of and somehow they're still in business. A thoroughly
> unpleasant place to spend any time at all in my experience.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-4, Sean Kline wrote:
>>
>> Hi all: I have some free time on an upcoming business trip.and am
>> wondering if there are any Riv-ish bike shops in Ann Arbor? Also, any bike
>> rental places you would recommend?
>>
>> I grew up in Ann Arbor (son of a professor) and would love to tool around
>> by bike and see what I remember.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sean
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish bike shop in Ann Arbor?

[Jack K]

When I head back to A2 there are 3 shops I like to visit, though I'm not a 
good judge of how Riv-ish they are:

   - Midwest Tandem: Lots of tandems (doh!) and recumbents and usually some 
   other interesting velocipedes in the shop to gawk at. Be prepared to spend 
   some time, as the owner tends to be pretty chatty. 
   https://www.yelp.com/biz/midwest-bike-and-tandem-ann-arbor
   - SIC Transit Cycles: Probably the shop in A2 most like what you asked 
   for. Good folks, good selection of stuff. 
   https://www.yelp.com/biz/sic-transit-cycles-ann-arbor?osq=Bicycle+Shop
   - Shinola Lifestyle Boutique: Shinola has a showroom on Main St. 
   downtown that's fun to walk through. Get yourself a cappuccino from the 
   Shinola espresso bar and enjoy a leisurely tour of chi chi leather goods, 
   watches and bicycles from Shinola. I can't imagine buying anything there, 
   but I do enjoy wandering through.
   
Since you grew up in A2 I assume you know to stay away from Student Bike 
Shop. They've been selling stolen bikes and abusing customers for at least 
30 years that I know of and somehow they're still in business. A thoroughly 
unpleasant place to spend any time at all in my experience.

Cheers,

-Jack

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>
> Hi all: I have some free time on an upcoming business trip.and am 
> wondering if there are any Riv-ish bike shops in Ann Arbor? Also, any bike 
> rental places you would recommend?
>
> I grew up in Ann Arbor (son of a professor) and would love to tool around 
> by bike and see what I remember. 
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[ted]

I thought there were both h and l Clem’s.

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Bill Lindsay]

Duh, Clem Smith Jr was not a step through.  RETRACT!

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:39:11 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Drw claimed to be confused about the Susie and Wolbis, and asked "what am 
> I missing?"
>
> Two models instead of one could simply be a repeat of Rivendell's standard 
> policy of making every step-through with two names.  Glorious/Wilbury  
> Betty Foy/Yves Gomez  Clem Smith Jr/Clementine.  The Cheviut was the only 
> counter-example.  
>
> If the shape of the bike is perfecto for bike riding, but you want a 
> lighter bike with narrower tires, it's cool to have a road-oriented 
> Hillybike and an offroad oriented Hillybike.  
>
> Is that what you were missing?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:10:06 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>>
>> I’m a little confused about the Susie and Wolbis. There are gonna be 2 
>> additional Gus models that presumably have lighter tubing but look nearly 
>> identical? Why 2 more? Is one of them the twin tube mixte? Seems like no, 
>> since that one only goes to 46mm and the Gus goes to 2.8 or something. 
>> What am I missing?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Bill Lindsay]

The drawing itself shows the rim diameter at 622mm and the tire diameter at 
714mm.  714 - 622 = 92mm.  92/2 = 46mm.  That's a 46mm tire wrapped around 
a 700c rim.  

I judged the lower slung top tube(s) because of how they encroach on the 
water bottle in the drawing.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:14:49 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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>
> Bill, how can you tell these things?!? Whatever, your observations are 
> making my whole darn day! Feel free to add more if they come to you. I 
> don’t think I can wait much longer; this is just the best news. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Apr 5, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Leah asked three questions about the drawing of a Mixtec on the BLAGH. 
> > 
> > 1. Definitely a lower tube. It looks like a water bottle will be an 
> issue 
> > 2. As Jeff pointed out, the drawing represents a 46mm tire 
> > 3. It will undoubtedly be red if that’s the color they paint it 
> > 
> > I like the pump peg and the Dow tube shifter bosses. 
> > 
> > Bill Lindsay 
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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Bill Lindsay]

Drw claimed to be confused about the Susie and Wolbis, and asked "what am I 
missing?"

Two models instead of one could simply be a repeat of Rivendell's standard 
policy of making every step-through with two names.  Glorious/Wilbury  
Betty Foy/Yves Gomez  Clem Smith Jr/Clementine.  The Cheviut was the only 
counter-example.  

If the shape of the bike is perfecto for bike riding, but you want a 
lighter bike with narrower tires, it's cool to have a road-oriented 
Hillybike and an offroad oriented Hillybike.  

Is that what you were missing?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:10:06 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> I’m a little confused about the Susie and Wolbis. There are gonna be 2 
> additional Gus models that presumably have lighter tubing but look nearly 
> identical? Why 2 more? Is one of them the twin tube mixte? Seems like no, 
> since that one only goes to 46mm and the Gus goes to 2.8 or something. 
> What am I missing?

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[RBW] Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[A. Nostuh]

The level of internet sleuthing in this post is extremely high chapeau!

Al in Saratoga 

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[sameness]

Total unfounded guesswork, but: Susie and Wolbis will be the new Betty/Yves 
or Clementine/Clem of the light(er)weight Hillybikes. No substantive 
difference, just different paint and decals.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USa

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 9:10:06 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> I’m a little confused about the Susie and Wolbis. There are gonna be 2 
> additional Gus models that presumably have lighter tubing but look nearly 
> identical? Why 2 more? Is one of them the twin tube mixte? Seems like no, 
> since that one only goes to 46mm and the Gus goes to 2.8 or something. 
> What am I missing?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Leah Peterson]

Bill, how can you tell these things?!? Whatever, your observations are making 
my whole darn day! Feel free to add more if they come to you. I don’t think I 
can wait much longer; this is just the best news.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Leah asked three questions about the drawing of a Mixtec on the BLAGH. 
> 
> 1. Definitely a lower tube. It looks like a water bottle will be an issue
> 2. As Jeff pointed out, the drawing represents a 46mm tire
> 3. It will undoubtedly be red if that’s the color they paint it 
> 
> I like the pump peg and the Dow tube shifter bosses. 
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my 61 Roadini set up!

[Matt D]

A 118mm bottom bracket instead of 119? Ah, I could never, the chainline has 
to be perfect for when I'm climbing in the 52x11 - do you know what happens 
when a chain snaps under that kind of power? But seriously though, 118mm 
should work fine.

I'm not entirely wed to the noodles but they are quite comfortable as they 
stand. I like being able to slide back and forth on the ramps and hoods to 
adjust my uprightness. They had two Noodles (44 and 42, these are 44) as 
well as those TRP levers at the co-op for awfully cheap, I've been quite 
lucky in parts there for everything but quill stems. If I readjust and I'm 
still whacking my forearms into the tops when I'm in the front of the drops 
I could probably work with some flared drops or something like Soma's 
Highway 1 or Brevet Randonneur bars.

Can anyone point me to a Nitto stem dealer with a generous return policy? 
Hate to use Amazon but that could be the answer to finding the right one, 
make a massive order of every size of Nitto stem they have and return all 
the ones that don't work. It would be neat if there were a Zappos or Amazon 
Closet-like service for dialing in the fit on a new bike, order a box of 
stems and bars and just keep the ones that work.

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Chris L]

I noticed that the file name is "F25.." which seems to indicate that 
it's likely what was originally conceived of as a 25th anniversary bike. 




On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 12:34:17 AM UTC-5, ccli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I assumed that it was the 26th anniversary mixte...
>
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 5:55:40 PM UTC+13, Joe Bernard wrote:
> > Interesting stuff. I believe the double TT mixte is the Baby Bike.
>
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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Chris L]

I noticed that the file name is "F25.." which seems to indicate that 
it's likely what was originally conceived of as a 25th anniversary bike. 



On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 11:35:41 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> Obligatory Spoiler Alert.
>
> In here 
> ,
>  
> from today's Blahg 
> 
> :
>
> *Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?*
>>
>> They're all the same kind of Hillybike, with the identical geometries and 
>> handling and tire clearances.
>>
>> But our Susie W. Longbolts and Wolbis Slugstone [both anagrams of Gus 
>> Boots-Wilsen] are for riders under 165lb who'll ride the bikes with 
>> dayloads. The frame tubes, fork, and rear dropouts are lighter; the fork 
>> has a 1-inch threaded steerer tube, so takes the same quality quill stem as 
>> our other bikes.
>>
>> Neither Susie nor Wolbis pass the ISO mountain bike tests [neither would 
>> the best mountain bikes of the '80s]. But they come close. You should know 
>> yourself and riding style better than we do, and let that knowledge guide 
>> you. In any case, they're made of strong CrMo steel, so they're hardly 
>> risky.
>>
>
> Also check out the double TT mixte 
> .
>  
> Looks like 54.5 ST, 62TT, 700c, clearance for at least 46s, rear brake 
> cable guides running along the underside of the swoopy tube. Possibly side 
> pulls?
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Drw]

I’m a little confused about the Susie and Wolbis. There are gonna be 2 
additional Gus models that presumably have lighter tubing but look nearly 
identical? Why 2 more? Is one of them the twin tube mixte? Seems like no, since 
that one only goes to 46mm and the Gus goes to 2.8 or something. 
What am I missing?

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Joe Bernard]

Ooh, I see twin top/swoopy-tubes. Nice!

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[RBW] Riv-ish bike shop in Ann Arbor?

[Sean Kline]

Hi all: I have some free time on an upcoming business trip.and am wondering 
if there are any Riv-ish bike shops in Ann Arbor? Also, any bike rental 
places you would recommend?

I grew up in Ann Arbor (son of a professor) and would love to tool around 
by bike and see what I remember. 

Thanks,
Sean
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Chocomoose bar

[Doug Van Cleve]

Howdy folks,

Still looking for one of these bad boys.  Looks like Blue Lug has them for
about $83, and shipping is free if I buy a moderately overpriced t-shirt,
so I probably don't want to spend much more than 90 bucks or so...  Anyone?

Thanks, Doug

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:58 PM Doug Van Cleve  wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> Looks like a Joe Appa will probably be heading my way in the relatively
> near future.  It doesn’t have a Chocomoose though, and I always thought if
> I got one it should.  Anybody have an unloved Chocomoose gathering dust?
>
> Thanks, Doug
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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Joe Bernard]

I like that my speculation seems to be wrong. 26th Anniversary Bike! 

Hey Leah, it can always be custom painted by Rick Stefani before delivery if 
Sparkly Red isn't the stock color. He's done a bunch of work for Riv, and is 
putting Candy Purple on my Seven ti frame as we speak. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 61cm Roadini frameset

[Matt D]

Hey, I was just talking to someone about how many Rivendells we think there 
are in Louisiana. He said he'd seen a Ram in NOLA - yours is green, right? 
If so that makes at least you, Robert Bailey, and me. 

Well, it seems like I'm the only one in the state holding on to my tall 
Rivendell - Robert is also selling his 61cm 1997 LongLow, asking about 
$2000 for the whole thing. I considered buying it but it definitely fits 
smaller than a modern up-sloping-top-tube Rivendell, the Roadini fits me 
perfectly but the LL's level top tube is a lot shorter and the standover 
height is smaller, fits more like a 57-58 in my opinion. It's a very 
well-appointed bike. Here's a post on the group from two years ago about it, 

 
I test-rode it about two months ago and as far as I know he still hasn't 
sold it.

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack For Big Wald Baskets

[Tim Baldwin]

Thanks for the input guys. I was leaning towards waiting for the new Riv 
rack. I think I was just getting antsy waiting for the bike to arrive and 
wanted to have everything ready when it comes. I'll throw what I have on 
there for now just to get riding. Frame should arrive Monday. Can't wait!

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 11:51:55 PM UTC-5, Howard Ramsay wrote:
>
> GP wrote about having direct input with NTTO regarding racks and baskets 
> for Rivbikes. When you read about the new racks on the Blahg and see the 
> final product photographs you will be able to make a truly informed 
> decision. A little time spent waiting on product development will 
> undoubtedly save you money and time. You want the best, forget the rest.
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 11:12:48 PM UTC-5, Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>> I finally decided to pull the trigger and am awaiting the delivery of a 
>> new Atlantis! I'm transferring most of the parts from other bikes but still 
>> debating on the front rack. I'm currently using a Surly 24 pack rack and 
>> just strapping a big Sackville basket bag on there. That rack won't 
>> transfer to the Atlantis due to the fork crown mounts. I'd like to mount 
>> one of the big Wald baskets on a rack for this bike. I would also like it 
>> to have a mount for my dynamo light. Currently debating between a Soma 
>> porteur rack, demiporteur (Soma or Rawland), or waiting for the new Riv 
>> rack. I talked to Will on the phone when ordering and he said the new 
>> basket rack should be coming in a month or two. So do I wait for that one 
>> or try one of these in the meantime? I also have one of the big Surly front 
>> racks but it's heavy and I rarely use front panniers. What racks are other 
>> people using with the big baskets? I'd like to be able to carry around 20 
>> lbs. Not any everyday thing but it does happen.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Bill Lindsay]

Leah asked three questions about the drawing of a Mixtec on the BLAGH. 

1. Definitely a lower tube. It looks like a water bottle will be an issue
2. As Jeff pointed out, the drawing represents a 46mm tire
3. It will undoubtedly be red if that’s the color they paint it 

I like the pump peg and the Dow tube shifter bosses. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Ok, this is so exciting. Will somebody who understands these things please make 
al the speculations about what we think is the Anniversary Mixte and report 
back every detail here?!? 

1. Do you think the tubes will be lower than the current Cheviot’s? 
2. Can you tell if it will take a big fat tire? 
3. Does it appear from this drawing that the bike will be sparkly red with 
cream accents?!? 😬

I need to to know these things
Lover of all Riv mixtes,
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Any UnRacers in Franklin, Tennessee?

[Edwin W]

Let me all know if you organize a ride! 
I would be happy to participate and maybe have a kid or two come if it is 
low key enough.

Edwin
Nashville, TN

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, Karl wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> Thanks for the kind words. Andrew... I think we may already be connected! 
> Would love to ride sometime. I have a slight affinity for Rivendell and 
> share many of their philosophies. 
>
> Karl
> Nashville, TN
>
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[RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

[Karl]

Ha! Thanks David I need some Marie Kondo for my tools, but the 
important things are organized! I'll trade my workspace for your beautiful 
riding any day!

Karl
(Rainy) Nashville, TN

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:40:49 AM UTC-5, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> Love your work space: Clean floor, light-colored walls, even lighting... 
> combined with a wine cellar!!
> Of course, the bike is great, too!
>
> Working in cramped, dingy darkness,
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 4:33:52 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
>>
>> Attached is a pic of my single color mountain. Love all the interest in 
>> one of my favorite Rivendell bikes!
>>
>> Karl
>> Nashville, TN
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my 61 Roadini set up!

[Ian A]

I have Noodles on two bikes and think they are great bars. Mine are rotated 
further up and the brake hoods sit higher. This creates a long flat section on 
the top. The drops aren't parallel to the ground and I don't have forearm 
contact when in the drops. 

Try rotating the bars and raising the hoods. This will decrease reach and 
increase comfort IMO 

IanA

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

It appears the ST angle (of the twin TT Mixte) is steeper than the super slack 
angle Grant originally alluded to with Rosco Baby and I also see a downtube 
headlug where I thought Rosco was going to be TIG’d.  Unless this is an 
upscaled Rosco redesign it may be an entirely new model if not the 26th 
Anniversary.

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[RBW] Re: Got my 61 Roadini set up!

['islaysteve' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Matt, Congratulations on your new Riv!  If I was buying a new one right 
now, I would certainly go for the Roadini.  I can't comment too much on 
your stem issue, lots of folks on here are more expert.  I would just say, 
don't be necessarily wed to the Noodles.  There are lots of drop bars out 
there, with lots of variation in depth and reach.  Maybe you could 
experiment with some from the co-op.  As for tape, I've always found that 
blue tape looks just great with an orange bike, you can find plenty of pix 
of that combination around, especially on the Riv sites.  I certainly 
understand building on a budget.  Best of luck to you!

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 12:12:40 AM UTC-4, Matt D wrote:
>
> First Rivendell, first real drop bar road bike. Could have gotten a 
> complete Surly for the price but I knew I'd wish I had bought a Rivendell 
> so I ordered the frameset sight-unseen after an extremely enlightening 
> conversation on sizing with one of the guys at HQ. Set it up with parts 
> from the bike co-op for the moment because most of my budget went into 
> frameset but the plan is to upgrade it a little over time. For now it's 
> fine if a little low on range and comfort with the old Fizik Vitesse 
> saddle, Exage 300 group, 46 single and 13-25 cassette. The rest... tires 
> are 32c Gravelking slicks, wheels are Alexrims G6000s on Tiagra hubs, 
> shifters are Ultegra bar-ends, and pedals are Raceface Chesters. By the 
> time I consider myself "finished" with this build I don't want a single 
> matte black anodized part on it.
>
> Anyway, just a few questions about setup:
>
>
>- I've got a Sakae SA double with 52/40 chainrings sitting on my desk, 
>pretty sweet looking classic silver crank. VeloBase says it's made for a 
> 3P 
>bottom bracket, which is 119mm. Riv website says the Roadini ships with a 
>110mm Shimano BB. 9mm difference is going to be out of the question for 
>chainline, correct? If so, I can just replace it with a 119mm spindle BB 
>without any major issues, right? I'm having some issues finding one of 
>those, if one of you could point me to one it would be much appreciated.
>
>
>- What's the best way to determine your optimum quill stem length? 
>I've got a 110mm Sunlite adjustable quill on there right now, and coupled 
>with 44cm Nitto Noodles I find myself a little too stretched out on the 
>hoods. The plan was always to work out my optimal stem length with the 
>adjustable (this being my first drop bar after all) but I have to tilt the 
>stem higher than I want to bring it in any closer.
>
>
>- What color bar tape looks best with gum hoods and an orange frame? 
>I'm kind of stuck and I need to decide on something. It's a little far off 
>because I need to install that bottom bracket before I put on bar tape but 
>I'm thinking dark brown. I know the tradition is to match it to your 
> saddle 
>but since there are so few Brooks dealers in my town I may just go 
>synthetic, in which case I don't want monochrome tape because that's 
>terribly boring. If anyone's got something that they think looks great on 
>their orange Roadini I'd love to see it!
>
> Thanks for any advice you can give me!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my 61 Roadini set up!

[Joe Bernard]

If that stem length works as currently set up, you can get an effective stem 
length from it. Grab a tape measure and measure an imaginary straight line from 
the center of the bolt in the steerer, across to the center of the handlebar 
clamp. That's the size Technomic/Tallux you need. 

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[RBW] Re: Original Rivendell Mountain Bike

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Love your work space: Clean floor, light-colored walls, even lighting... 
combined with a wine cellar!!
Of course, the bike is great, too!

Working in cramped, dingy darkness,
David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 4:33:52 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
>
> Attached is a pic of my single color mountain. Love all the interest in 
> one of my favorite Rivendell bikes!
>
> Karl
> Nashville, TN
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my 61 Roadini set up!

[DarinM]

The interference between your arms and bars will decrease as the bars move 
up and/or away from you, and vice-a-versa. You can also try changing the 
angle of the bars, which look to be setup angled downward more than most, 
including myself, use them. Check out the pictures of the Noodles on Riv's 
product page, nice and flat on the ramps, angled in the drops. This 
probably wont make the front of the drops more comfortable for you, but the 
increased angle does make the drops position further back more natural in 
my experience.

Darin

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-7, Matt D wrote:
>
> Not at all sure that I'll need a dirtdrop, probably just a short 
> technomic. This fits me perfectly in terms of standover and achievable 
> saddle height, reach is the only issue I'm having.
>
> Here's a closer sidelong look at how it's set up. You can see how I've got 
> the stem tilted up from horizontal to shorten the effective length a bit. 
> Feels fantastic on the tops, I'm fairly confident that a shorter 
> non-adjustable stem and the movement backward from the slack head tube once 
> I raise it will solve my problems. 
>
> My only other cockpit issue is bruising my forearms on the bends when I'm 
> in the very front of the drops, any fix for that or should I just accept 
> that Noodles aren't meant for that? Can't quite spatially work out what 
> combination of retilting and moving levers would help there so there's a 
> wrong-hand picture of what I'm talking about.
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 1:42 AM Joe Bernard > 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, the 8cm DirtDrop has a much shorter reach than 8cm Tallux. A Riv 
>> road frame correctly sized to the buyer for dropbars will probably need a 
>> longer stem than DirtDrop. 
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[RBW] Re: Got my 61 Roadini set up!

[DarinM]

Nice Roadini! You made the right call getting the bike you want from the 
beginning.

Like Joe says, get a Shimano UN55 bottom bracket in 118mm, it will work 
great. 

Stem length, like any component that determines fit can take some work to 
nail down. You're doing the smart thing to use an adjustable stem for this, 
I am not brave enough to use one and thus have accumulated a range of stems 
that I use to determine the right size. I'm a coward, I know. If an 11cm is 
too long, I'd bump down to a 9cm. Based on you're saddle height, you're 
probably pretty tall so you'll probably won't need a super shorty.

I don't match saddle and bar tape and I don't think you'll find that many 
Riv riders do either (calling Bill L?). I think blue or grey would go great 
with that orange. Don't worry too much, you might end up re-wrapping as you 
dial in fit.

Darin

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 9:12:40 PM UTC-7, Matt D wrote:
>
> First Rivendell, first real drop bar road bike. Could have gotten a 
> complete Surly for the price but I knew I'd wish I had bought a Rivendell 
> so I ordered the frameset sight-unseen after an extremely enlightening 
> conversation on sizing with one of the guys at HQ. Set it up with parts 
> from the bike co-op for the moment because most of my budget went into 
> frameset but the plan is to upgrade it a little over time. For now it's 
> fine if a little low on range and comfort with the old Fizik Vitesse 
> saddle, Exage 300 group, 46 single and 13-25 cassette. The rest... tires 
> are 32c Gravelking slicks, wheels are Alexrims G6000s on Tiagra hubs, 
> shifters are Ultegra bar-ends, and pedals are Raceface Chesters. By the 
> time I consider myself "finished" with this build I don't want a single 
> matte black anodized part on it.
>
> Anyway, just a few questions about setup:
>
>
>- I've got a Sakae SA double with 52/40 chainrings sitting on my desk, 
>pretty sweet looking classic silver crank. VeloBase says it's made for a 
> 3P 
>bottom bracket, which is 119mm. Riv website says the Roadini ships with a 
>110mm Shimano BB. 9mm difference is going to be out of the question for 
>chainline, correct? If so, I can just replace it with a 119mm spindle BB 
>without any major issues, right? I'm having some issues finding one of 
>those, if one of you could point me to one it would be much appreciated.
>
>
>- What's the best way to determine your optimum quill stem length? 
>I've got a 110mm Sunlite adjustable quill on there right now, and coupled 
>with 44cm Nitto Noodles I find myself a little too stretched out on the 
>hoods. The plan was always to work out my optimal stem length with the 
>adjustable (this being my first drop bar after all) but I have to tilt the 
>stem higher than I want to bring it in any closer.
>
>
>- What color bar tape looks best with gum hoods and an orange frame? 
>I'm kind of stuck and I need to decide on something. It's a little far off 
>because I need to install that bottom bracket before I put on bar tape but 
>I'm thinking dark brown. I know the tradition is to match it to your 
> saddle 
>but since there are so few Brooks dealers in my town I may just go 
>synthetic, in which case I don't want monochrome tape because that's 
>terribly boring. If anyone's got something that they think looks great on 
>their orange Roadini I'd love to see it!
>
> Thanks for any advice you can give me!
>

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