Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

Cerakote. Hashtag #hundredbucks.
Agree on the friction, agree on the #dontworryaboutit.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

[Patrick Moore]

I do want to try one of these. On the bucket list. Everyone who rides these
-- one in particular, Patrick O'Grady and an Appaloosa -- praises the
handling.
https://www.adventurecycling.org/adventure-cyclist/online-features/road-test-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/

(Not that O'Grady has any more chops than Joe or Patrick ...)

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I can certainly attest to the street version of "as nimble, more stable"
> Riv longbikes. My Atlantis - and previous Appa, Chev and Clems - feel just
> like any earlier Riv (and current Roadini) in the steering/handling
> department; but there's a notable cushy, staight-line, "freight train" vibe
> to the way it tracks down the road. I might even go so far as to say the
> design makes choppy pavement less intrusive, but there's tires/wheels/big
> tubes involved in there, too.
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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Ed Fausto]

Good feedback!  Will try with my medium size which is challenge to use
because of my small size Riv frames.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 11:46 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> New pics! I wanted to show something that may be obvious to other
> Sackville users, but was news to me. I had the BaggaBond snugged up tight
> against the saddle and seatpost, which had the dual effects of some leg rub
> and the capacity being a bit squished into the available space.
>
> Then it dawned me..Hey! I don't have to do that! I stretched the saddle
> and post straps out to the last hole at the buckle, which moved the bag
> back, then used some velcro straps from Roadrunner bags on the bottom of
> THIS bag (zip-ties work, too) to strap it down to the rack. They're not
> super-tight to the rack, Grant is right that the need to stabilize
> saddlebags is largely overrated: It's either empty and sways a bit, or full
> o' stuff and pressing down on the rack. Great bag!
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 9:10:05 AM UTC-7, Tim Baldwin wrote:
> > Close enough! That's too nice of a chain to toss for color
> coordinatation.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Tom Horton]

Re saddle covers  i have a few and use them interchangeably on my brooks b17 
and berthoud aspins  have never let my leather saddles get soaked

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> On Apr 17, 2019, at 6:40 PM, Collin A  wrote:
> 
> Tom, over the thousand-or-so miles did you ever have to use a saddle cover to 
> deal with poor weather?
> 
> Everyone else, would you say a saddle cover made for a B17 would work fine on 
> a GB saddle?
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 9:21:28 AM UTC-7, Tom Horton wrote:
>> this is about berthoud saddles. for what it's worth, I got one from James a 
>> couple years back (hi James) and have ridden it maybe a thousand miles, and 
>> no problems, great comfortable saddle. I weigh about 190 pounds. I have used 
>> only Obenaufs on it, have tensioned it slightly.  maybe there is something 
>> to that Proofide causing a problem.  I was surprised how fast mine went from 
>> stiff to broken in...but no sign it's breaking down.  tom h
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:24:45 AM UTC-4, David Wadstrup wrote:
>>> I really like Berthoud saddles.  The Mente to me is the best saddle for 
>>> very upright riding positions.  Mainly because I don't have to ride with 
>>> the nose super high like I do with the Brooks.  I also like the Aspin for 
>>> bikes with drop bars.  I've been wondering, though, what the 
>>> Soulor/Galibier is like.  It's a narrower, racier saddle.  Does anyone here 
>>> have any experience with this saddle?  Is it too narrow?  Noticeably less 
>>> comfortable than the Aspin?
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[RBW] Re: new bike week

[Jonathan K.]

I have Microshift thumb shifters mounted inboard. The cable exits at a 
downward angle, leaving plenty of room to grab the bars right in front of 
the shifters.


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Re: [RBW] Tinting clear Shellac

[David Bivins]

Do you have access to a mechanical shaker (i.e. for paint?) - I don't think
it would be easy to get a consistent tint throughout a can of shellac
without a thorough mixing.
If you're doing a small job, maybe you can borrow some or trade your clear
for amber. I would guess many people on this list have one or more cans of
shellac!

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:08 PM jandrews  wrote:

> Greetings
> Curious if anyone knows how to tint Bullseye clear Shellac to an Amber
> color?
> I have a full quart of clear and don’t really want to buy another quart of
> Amber. I know there are tinted flakes out there but that’s also more
> Shellac. Is there a way to tint the existing Shellac I already have?
> Thank you
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

[Joe Bernard]

I can certainly attest to the street version of "as nimble, more stable" Riv 
longbikes. My Atlantis - and previous Appa, Chev and Clems - feel just like any 
earlier Riv (and current Roadini) in the steering/handling department; but 
there's a notable cushy, staight-line, "freight train" vibe to the way it 
tracks down the road. I might even go so far as to say the design makes choppy 
pavement less intrusive, but there's tires/wheels/big tubes involved in there, 
too. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

The Aspin is more like the Team Pro than the B.17.  And it feels much 
narrower between the thighs than a B.17 does.


On 4/17/19 10:23 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:

Thanks for the links Steve, found this-

"The answer is that the Berthoud has less suspended leather than the 
B-17.


The Brooks B-17 is 170mm from the outside of the leather to the 
outside of the leather at the widest part of the saddle. The frame 
support at that point is about 155mm outside-to-outside, and it looks 
like there's about 140mm of "suspended leather" within that 155mm 
width. The other 15mm or so of leather is in direct contact with the 
metal support.


The Berthoud that I have is 155mm from the outside of the leather to 
the outside of the leather at the widest part of the saddle. The 
underlying plastic frame on the Berthoud is a little wider than the 
metal frame on the Brooks, and it hugs the leather further in toward 
the middle than the frame does on the Brooks. It's hard to tell just 
how much would be suspended and how much would contact the underlying 
support once you sit on a broken-in saddle, but my best guess is that 
no more than about 115mm would be suspended. That's about what it is 
now with the saddle new, so that's the most it will ever be. Based on 
this it's pretty clear that the Berthoud will give you less than the 
Brooks."


So percentage wise, the hammocked portion of a Berthoud is less than a 
similarly sized Brooks. So Berthoud's widest, the Aubisque at 180mm 
would be considerably narrower than Brooks' B68 at 205mm.

Bummer.
And Laing, thanks for the b68 acquisition tips! Recovering a sad and 
neglected b68 is probably in my future. As for the Rivet Loveland, I 
bought one last year and it was way too short, the nose was murder, 
good width though (I'm 6'8" with what seems to be a recycled horse 
pelvis). And if you would ever want to trade a ridable b68 for a 
perfect condition Rivet, look no further!

Thanks all
-Kai




On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:39:11 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:


https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/789460-brooks-select-champion-special-berthoud-aspin-leather-saddles-compared.html




http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swift-and-berthoud-touring/



https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DarMZOShnMw



On 4/17/19 5:30 PM, John G. wrote:

Kai,

I have a B17 Select on my Roadeo and a Berthoud Aspin on my
Dream, which have similar reach and saddle-to-bar drop. The B17
Select has far more miles on it, and is more broken in. The Aspin
feels noticeably narrower. Not a bad thing--the overall fit and
feel of the two saddles is very different. I'm happy with both.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:03:05 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V.
-Brooklyn NY wrote:

How does sizing compare between Berthoud and Brooks? The
widest Berthoud is around 180mm, but their sides are much
closer to vertical than Brooks', so I'm wondering if their
widest models have similar sit bone comfort/measurements to
Brooks with 20 or so more millimeters. I love my Brooks B68,
and would like to find an equivalent saddle available for sale.
-Kai


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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Sounds like the 180mm Aubisque might be the closest Berthoud to the 175mm 
B17. According to Steve's bikeforums link, it would have a slightly 
narrower sweet sit spot than the b17, with the Aspin having a much skinnier 
feel indeed. Thanks John
-Kai 

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:30:09 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> Kai,
>
> I have a B17 Select on my Roadeo and a Berthoud Aspin on my Dream, which 
> have similar reach and saddle-to-bar drop. The B17 Select has far more 
> miles on it, and is more broken in. The Aspin feels noticeably narrower. 
> Not a bad thing--the overall fit and feel of the two saddles is very 
> different. I'm happy with both.
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:03:05 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>>
>> How does sizing compare between Berthoud and Brooks? The widest Berthoud 
>> is around 180mm, but their sides are much closer to vertical than Brooks', 
>> so I'm wondering if their widest models have similar sit bone 
>> comfort/measurements to Brooks with 20 or so more millimeters. I love my 
>> Brooks B68, and would like to find an equivalent saddle available for sale.
>> -Kai
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Thanks for the links Steve, found this-

"The answer is that the Berthoud has less suspended leather than the B-17. 

The Brooks B-17 is 170mm from the outside of the leather to the outside of 
the leather at the widest part of the saddle. The frame support at that 
point is about 155mm outside-to-outside, and it looks like there's about 
140mm of "suspended leather" within that 155mm width. The other 15mm or so 
of leather is in direct contact with the metal support. 

The Berthoud that I have is 155mm from the outside of the leather to the 
outside of the leather at the widest part of the saddle. The underlying 
plastic frame on the Berthoud is a little wider than the metal frame on the 
Brooks, and it hugs the leather further in toward the middle than the frame 
does on the Brooks. It's hard to tell just how much would be suspended and 
how much would contact the underlying support once you sit on a broken-in 
saddle, but my best guess is that no more than about 115mm would be 
suspended. That's about what it is now with the saddle new, so that's the 
most it will ever be. Based on this it's pretty clear that the Berthoud 
will give you less than the Brooks."

So percentage wise, the hammocked portion of a Berthoud is less than a 
similarly sized Brooks. So Berthoud's widest, the Aubisque at 180mm would 
be considerably narrower than Brooks' B68 at 205mm.
Bummer. 
 
And Laing, thanks for the b68 acquisition tips! Recovering a sad and 
neglected b68 is probably in my future. As for the Rivet Loveland, I bought 
one last year and it was way too short, the nose was murder, good width 
though (I'm 6'8" with what seems to be a recycled horse pelvis). And if you 
would ever want to trade a ridable b68 for a perfect condition Rivet, look 
no further!
Thanks all
-Kai

  



On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:39:11 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/789460-brooks-select-champion-special-berthoud-aspin-leather-saddles-compared.html
>
>
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swift-and-berthoud-touring/
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DarMZOShnMw
>
>
> On 4/17/19 5:30 PM, John G. wrote:
>
> Kai, 
>
> I have a B17 Select on my Roadeo and a Berthoud Aspin on my Dream, which 
> have similar reach and saddle-to-bar drop. The B17 Select has far more 
> miles on it, and is more broken in. The Aspin feels noticeably narrower. 
> Not a bad thing--the overall fit and feel of the two saddles is very 
> different. I'm happy with both.
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:03:05 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote: 
>>
>> How does sizing compare between Berthoud and Brooks? The widest Berthoud 
>> is around 180mm, but their sides are much closer to vertical than Brooks', 
>> so I'm wondering if their widest models have similar sit bone 
>> comfort/measurements to Brooks with 20 or so more millimeters. I love my 
>> Brooks B68, and would like to find an equivalent saddle available for sale. 
>> -Kai
>>
>
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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[RBW] Tinting clear Shellac

[jandrews]

Greetings 
Curious if anyone knows how to tint Bullseye clear Shellac to an Amber color?
I have a full quart of clear and don’t really want to buy another quart of 
Amber. I know there are tinted flakes out there but that’s also more Shellac. 
Is there a way to tint the existing Shellac I already have?
Thank you 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Will. I thought they were called grub screws because they're so freaking 
tiny and always falling out of things onto the ground and you have to grub 
around looking for them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/789460-brooks-select-champion-special-berthoud-aspin-leather-saddles-compared.html

http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swift-and-berthoud-touring/

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DarMZOShnMw


On 4/17/19 5:30 PM, John G. wrote:

Kai,

I have a B17 Select on my Roadeo and a Berthoud Aspin on my Dream, 
which have similar reach and saddle-to-bar drop. The B17 Select has 
far more miles on it, and is more broken in. The Aspin feels 
noticeably narrower. Not a bad thing--the overall fit and feel of the 
two saddles is very different. I'm happy with both.


On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:03:05 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
NY wrote:


How does sizing compare between Berthoud and Brooks? The widest
Berthoud is around 180mm, but their sides are much closer to
vertical than Brooks', so I'm wondering if their widest models
have similar sit bone comfort/measurements to Brooks with 20 or so
more millimeters. I love my Brooks B68, and would like to find an
equivalent saddle available for sale.
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Collin A]

Tom, over the thousand-or-so miles did you ever have to use a saddle cover 
to deal with poor weather?

Everyone else, would you say a saddle cover made for a B17 would work fine 
on a GB saddle?

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 9:21:28 AM UTC-7, Tom Horton wrote:
>
> this is about berthoud saddles. for what it's worth, I got one from James 
> a couple years back (hi James) and have ridden it maybe a thousand miles, 
> and no problems, great comfortable saddle. I weigh about 190 pounds. I have 
> used only Obenaufs on it, have tensioned it slightly.  maybe there is 
> something to that Proofide causing a problem.  I was surprised how fast 
> mine went from stiff to broken in...but no sign it's breaking down.  tom h
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:24:45 AM UTC-4, David Wadstrup wrote:
>>
>> I really like Berthoud saddles.  The Mente to me is the best saddle for 
>> very upright riding positions.  Mainly because I don't have to ride with 
>> the nose super high like I do with the Brooks.  I also like the Aspin for 
>> bikes with drop bars.  I've been wondering, though, what the 
>> Soulor/Galibier is like.  It's a narrower, racier saddle.  Does anyone here 
>> have any experience with this saddle?  Is it too narrow?  Noticeably less 
>> comfortable than the Aspin?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] PSA: 2000 58cm Atlantis $675 complete bike

[Ash]

It is definitely 'priced to sell'




On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 10:14:09 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> My hat is safe!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/789460-brooks-select-champion-special-berthoud-aspin-leather-saddles-compared.html

http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swift-and-berthoud-touring/

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DarMZOShnMw


On 4/17/19 5:30 PM, John G. wrote:

Kai,

I have a B17 Select on my Roadeo and a Berthoud Aspin on my Dream, 
which have similar reach and saddle-to-bar drop. The B17 Select has 
far more miles on it, and is more broken in. The Aspin feels 
noticeably narrower. Not a bad thing--the overall fit and feel of the 
two saddles is very different. I'm happy with both.


On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:03:05 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
NY wrote:


How does sizing compare between Berthoud and Brooks? The widest
Berthoud is around 180mm, but their sides are much closer to
vertical than Brooks', so I'm wondering if their widest models
have similar sit bone comfort/measurements to Brooks with 20 or so
more millimeters. I love my Brooks B68, and would like to find an
equivalent saddle available for sale.
-Kai



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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yikes — I have not seen any of those films (Just watched the trailer for #2)! 
And, Wick should definitely be wearing a (formal) helmet for his sport! At all 
times!!

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[John G.]

Kai,

I have a B17 Select on my Roadeo and a Berthoud Aspin on my Dream, which 
have similar reach and saddle-to-bar drop. The B17 Select has far more 
miles on it, and is more broken in. The Aspin feels noticeably narrower. 
Not a bad thing--the overall fit and feel of the two saddles is very 
different. I'm happy with both.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:03:05 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:
>
> How does sizing compare between Berthoud and Brooks? The widest Berthoud 
> is around 180mm, but their sides are much closer to vertical than Brooks', 
> so I'm wondering if their widest models have similar sit bone 
> comfort/measurements to Brooks with 20 or so more millimeters. I love my 
> Brooks B68, and would like to find an equivalent saddle available for sale.
> -Kai
>

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

How does sizing compare between Berthoud and Brooks? The widest Berthoud is 
around 180mm, but their sides are much closer to vertical than Brooks', so 
I'm wondering if their widest models have similar sit bone 
comfort/measurements to Brooks with 20 or so more millimeters. I love my 
Brooks B68, and would like to find an equivalent saddle available for sale.
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: new bike week

[Howard Hatten]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YmkGahR8sbiZuAhNA

I had the same problem with cable interference. 
I mounted the Paul thumbie with silver shifter as shown
In the photo

Howard
Livonia Mi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[William deRosset]

Dear Matt,

The short version is "never," and "as little as possible," respectively.

As long as the saddle remains comfortable, isn't bottoming out on the rails, 
seatpost, etc, and isn't splaying unacceptably, don't think twice and keep on 
riding.


Best Regards,

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, to clarify, Gus Boots Willsen is as nimble and more stable than the 
Hunqapillar. And "as" nimble means the same tight turnie bits I can ride on the 
Hunqabeam I can ride on GBW, but it requires a different line, both because of 
the longer chain stays and the lower gears/freewheel. But saying that makes it 
seem conscious thought is required, and that isn't the case, it just is nimble 
differently. As some point I saw video of a tandem pair of MTB downhillers 
tearing up a tight course. Their wheelbase was a wee bit longer, and they took 
tight curves with aplumb.

Today was the inaugural ride with the wavy bars. They are pretty close to 
equivalent to the out of stock indefinitely Bullmoose Bars and they are a 
delight, as expected. Perfect for the riding I do.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[tc]

Thanks, Adam!  Sounds like a keeper of a system.  I ordered the kit you 
recommended, but have an Eagle X01 rear derailleur already, so will be 
selling the brand new GX Eagle rear derailleur that comes with the set.

Now if I had a suitable bike to put this on...

Tom

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-4, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> Tom, the 12s GX eagle setup is great. The shifts are virtually 
> instantaneous and the group feels very reliable, shifting wise. Despite not 
> adding a narrow-wide/1x specific chainring yet, there have been no problems 
> using the Silver chainring. This being said I'll probably swap it to a 
> narrow wide chainring soon, maybe add a pop of color. do recommend...
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: Very nice, and very interesting to hear that even with the
ever-growing stays that the bikes are nimble. To be very clear: You do find
that GB *more* nimble *and* more stable than the Hunquapillar?

And the Wavy bar: Hadn't looked at that before. Now that is one Rivendell
bar I might be interested in. I recently trimmed a Surly Open bar for the
Hon Solo to replace the original edition Moustache Bar and find it much
better; in fact, the Open, suitable trimmed, is my favorite after
(distantly after) a good drop bar. The Wavy looks almost identical.

I don't do hilly singletrack, but if I did, I'd seriously consider a Gus
Boots based on your review. Keep us informed of further experience with it.

Just looked: I don't see the Gus on the website: Is it a forthcoming model?

Just re-read the blog entry: "prototype."

 On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 2:37:53 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> In which I ride freewheel for the first time in eighteen months, put in
> forty miles in the first two days, watch in amazement as spring turns to
> winter in a mountain glen with the sun shining and fat fluffy snow flakes
> and early spring butterflies ride the same gusting winds, and I discover
> that Rivendell’s Gus Boots Willsen, whom my daughters named Beorn of
> Tolkien’s “The Hobbit,” loves all terrains climbing and descending with
> elegance and grace, as only bears can do.
> https://deaconpatrick.org/new-bike-day
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Mat Grewe]

Anyone have advice on how much and when to adjust the tension of a Berthoud 
saddle?  I have probably around 5,000 miles on an Aspin and it has been 
great thus far.

Mat Grewe
Driftless Wisconsin

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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[Joe Bernard]

I picture the shop in the second film where John Wick goes to get his finest 
implements. "And now, for an appetizer..." 

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[RBW] Re: Big Bottle and Cage Recommendations

[tuolumne bikes]

If you want to use the Blackburn Outposts to carry bottles, consider adding 
nylon tubing to the areas where the cages contact the bottles. It will 
reduce (not eliminate) how badly the bottles get scarred. Slit the tubing 
lengthwise and slide on.


Wide Jandd velcro ankle straps are perfect for replacing the straps to hold 
the bottles. They will thread between the cage and frame or fork, are just 
the right length for Nalgenes, and grip well. Because they hold their shape 
well (don't sag), they are much less fiddly than the provided straps when 
removing/inserting the bottles. They are also my favorite for securely 
strapping jackets/pants onto stems or bag loops etc. They seem to always be 
available for as seconds for $5.00 on their website.
 

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Beorn New Bike Day!

[Kiley Demond]

Freakin' Awesome! On *oh so many* levels. What a sales brochure

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 2:37:53 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I ride freewheel for the first time in eighteen months, put in 
> forty miles in the first two days, watch in amazement as spring turns to 
> winter in a mountain glen with the sun shining and fat fluffy snow flakes 
> and early spring butterflies ride the same gusting winds, and I discover 
> that Rivendell’s Gus Boots Willsen, whom my daughters named Beorn of 
> Tolkien’s “The Hobbit,” loves all terrains climbing and descending with 
> elegance and grace, as only bears can do.
> https://deaconpatrick.org/new-bike-day
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>

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[RBW] Re: Big Bottle and Cage Recommendations

[Kiley Demond]

I have a VO Mojave for sale... Brand new. Also have the standard version 
for sale as well. PM me with your zipcode and I will give you (or anyone 
else for that matter) a price with shipping.

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 6:54:24 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> For those of you with experience using them, recommendations on big bottle 
> and cage combinations? My current plan for the 3-hole downtube brazons at 
> the cranks on GBW is King Kage's Manythings Cage and Kleen Kanteen's 64oz. 
> widemouth. Anyone try this combo or a similar volume bottle on the 
> Manythings? How stable is it on the jouncy bits?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh Tom,

More bags! Gilles Berthoud!! You're killing us!

Now I'm imagining that you have some vast, walk-in closet with glass 
shelves, soft lighting and bags from bespoke makers stretching off into the 
distance

I will await the new list with bated breath -- as new bags are bait to me.

David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 9:48:02 AM UTC-7, Tom Allingham wrote:
>
> All:  Everything is sold except ...  
>
 

> Next up:  Another fairly long list of bags, mostly Gilles Berthoud.  .
>>
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>> Tom Allingham (a/k/a Pudge)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

[DarinM]

Will,

I always thought it was silly that these hangers have a total of three (3) 
fasteners to hold it in place where none (0) are actually necessary. That 
said, I have had a set of 720's with such mismatched springs that it was 
necessary to actually use different tension holes on either brake post then 
fine tune with the tension adjustment set screw. Maybe the idea is to cheap 
out on springs and compensate with the ability to secure the hanger off 
center?

I only had this problem once, otherwise I think they are great brakes and 
cheap as heck. 

Darin

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 10:05:53 AM UTC-7, William deRosset wrote:
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> The grubscrews to which you refer are on the straddle wire carrier, 
>  and 
> are only used to locate the straddle cable carrier on the straddle cable. 
> They are not directly in the load path. I've never used them. I pull mine 
> and keep them in a jar of m4 grub screws, which are used on my fender 
> mounts, as they are unnecessary to the function of the brake or of the 
> straddle carrier. the brakes center just fine.
>
>
>
> [image: 2019-04-17_11-00-52.png][image: 2019-04-17_11-03-10.png]
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:55:30 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Hi Will. Yes, I've been rolling with the tektro 720's on my 26in road 
>> bike for a few years, been through a couple of sets of Koolstops. Steve, 
>> they do have the grub screw. But it's not necessary to use it.
>>
>> I think there are lots of variables that makes for such a wide variety of 
>> opinions. The two main ones in my estimation would be brake setup and user 
>> expectation.
>>
>> n Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:56:05 PM UTC-4, William deRosset wrote:
>> > Dear Mark,
>> > 
>> > Tektro cr720's are a fine enough brake, and when set up properly, work 
>> as well as any. They have the significant advantage of using orbital brake 
>> pads and slotted pad holder mounts that greatly simplify setup. Just 
>> replace the astonishingly bad Tektro brake blocks with Kool-Stop Salmon pads
>> > Also, the hardware on the brake is less-than-beautifully finished, if 
>> functional. 
>> > 
>> > They punch well above their $45/bike price. Add $12 for Salmon pads up 
>> front.
>> > 
>> > If cost is no object, then the RH brakes work well in my experience. 
>> They are lovely as well.
>> > 
>> > Best Regards,
>> > 
>> > Will
>> > William M deRosset
>> > Fort Collins CO USA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] PSA: 2000 58cm Atlantis $675 complete bike

[Joe Bernard]

My hat is safe!

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Re: [RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

[William deRosset]

Dear Mark,

The grubscrews to which you refer are on the straddle wire carrier, 
 and are 
only used to locate the straddle cable carrier on the straddle cable. They 
are not directly in the load path. I've never used them. I pull mine and 
keep them in a jar of m4 grub screws, which are used on my fender mounts, 
as they are unnecessary to the function of the brake or of the straddle 
carrier. the brakes center just fine.



[image: 2019-04-17_11-00-52.png] [image: 
2019-04-17_11-03-10.png] 


Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:55:30 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Hi Will. Yes, I've been rolling with the tektro 720's on my 26in road bike 
> for a few years, been through a couple of sets of Koolstops. Steve, they do 
> have the grub screw. But it's not necessary to use it.
>
> I think there are lots of variables that makes for such a wide variety of 
> opinions. The two main ones in my estimation would be brake setup and user 
> expectation.
>
> n Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:56:05 PM UTC-4, William deRosset wrote:
> > Dear Mark,
> > 
> > Tektro cr720's are a fine enough brake, and when set up properly, work 
> as well as any. They have the significant advantage of using orbital brake 
> pads and slotted pad holder mounts that greatly simplify setup. Just 
> replace the astonishingly bad Tektro brake blocks with Kool-Stop Salmon pads
> > Also, the hardware on the brake is less-than-beautifully finished, if 
> functional. 
> > 
> > They punch well above their $45/bike price. Add $12 for Salmon pads up 
> front.
> > 
> > If cost is no object, then the RH brakes work well in my experience. 
> They are lovely as well.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Will
> > William M deRosset
> > Fort Collins CO USA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

[William deRosset]

>Do the Tektros use one of those grub screws to anchor the straddle cable?

Dear Steve,

Nope. They use a cast end on one side and a pinch clamp for the other. 

A grub screw bearing directly on a stranded cable loaded in tension is also 
described as the "death clamp", right? There are ways to fix it (brass 
sleeve, for instance, a ball bearing may also work), but it is a 
stupid/unsafe/inconvenient design out of the box.

Best Regards,

Will
On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:10:06 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 4/15/19 8:56 PM, William deRosset wrote:
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> Tektro cr720's are a fine enough brake, and when set up properly, work as 
> well as any. They have the significant advantage of using orbital brake pads 
> and slotted pad holder mounts that greatly simplify setup. Just replace the 
> astonishingly bad Tektro brake blocks with Kool-Stop Salmon pads
> Also, the hardware on the brake is less-than-beautifully finished, if 
> functional. 
>
> They punch well above their $45/bike price. Add $12 for Salmon pads up front.
>
> If cost is no object, then the RH brakes work well in my experience. They are 
> lovely as well.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M deRosset
> Fort Collins CO USA
>
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

[Tom Allingham]

All:  Everything is sold except the Green Tweed Nigel Smythe Lil' Loafer 
trunk bag (which fits perfectly on a Mark's Rack or Nitto Mini-Front Rack), 
the Black Acorn Tool Roll, and the custom blue and tan hand-tooled 
saddlebag.  I'll take $50 shipped for the Lil' Loafer, $40 shipped for the 
Acorn, and $50 shipped for the custom all-leather saddlebag.  Next up: 
 Another fairly long list of bags, mostly Gilles Berthoud.  Thanks for all 
the interest and patience.  For all buyers, I have sent the packages out 
today.  Tom (Pudge)

On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 11:45:24 AM UTC-4, Tom Allingham wrote:
>
> Make your bike more useful and more beautiful!  Over the years I've 
> accumulated a lot of very nice bags, and now we're moving and I have to 
> radically downsize my inventory of bikes and accessories.  I'm starting 
> with bike bags (parts and bike sale lists will follow).  A summary list 
> with prices is below, but please take a look at this link for pics and very 
> detailed descriptions:  https://flic.kr/s/aHsmChnHQ2.  These are priced 
> to move, and offers will be considered for sure!
>
> The list (all prices are plus actual shipping):
> Riv Saddlesack Large, tan, new. $145
> Riv Saddlesack Large, Royal Blue, new. $145
> Riv Saddlesack Large, green, lightly used, $145 (with bonus inclusions)
> Riv Saddlesack Large, black, lightly used, $145 (with bonus inclusions)
> Riv Nigel Smythe Big Box Saddlebag, tan, very lightly used. $100
> Zimbale Saddlebag, black, used but very nice. $50.
> Riv Nigel Smythe Green Tweed Saddlebag, new. $100
> Riv Nigel Smythe Green Tweed Handlebar Bag/ Nitto F-15 Rack combo, both 
> new. $135 for both.  Note discount if you buy both Tweed Saddlebag and 
> Tweed Handlebar Bag/Rack combo.
> Riv Nigel Smythe Green Tweed Lil' Loafer Trunk Bag, lightly used.  $60
> Pair of Riv Sackville Small Pannier/seat bag/handlebar bag, tan, new.  $75 
> for the pair.
> Riv Sackville ShopSack Medium, tan, new.  $30
> Riv Sackville GrabSack, brown, new.  $35
> Riv Sackville Mark's Tool Wrap, green, new. $25
> Pass and Stow Roll-Top Porteur Bag, black, new.  $125
> Guu-Watanabe small May under-saddle bag, new.  $65
> Hand-tooled custom leather small saddlebag, blue and tan, essentially new. 
>  $70
> Acorn Tool Roll saddlebag, tan, used but very nice.  $40
> Acorn Tool Roll Saddlebag, black, used but very nice.  $40
> Acorn Medium Banana Saddlebag, black, lightly used.  $45.
> Pair of unique small pannier bags, made from green canvas and brown 
> leather US Army surplus ammo bags, new and beautiful.  $60 for the pair.
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> Tom Allingham (a/k/a Pudge)
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[RBW] Re: 3x9 brifter recommendations? (Sam Hillborne 62cm, Tektro r559, noodles)

[Jack K]

To reduce "knee jam on sharp turn" issues with bar-end shifters I always 
trim off a shifter body's worth of handle bar end. For me that helps a lot 
in keeping from getting poked by the shift lever. I've seen it written that 
some bars narrow enough away from the tip that a bar-end shift will no 
longer fit inside if an inch of two is lopped off, but I've trimmed quite a 
few bars from various makers and never experienced that issue. Not saying 
it doesn't happen, just that it hasn't happened to me.

BTW, although lots of folks do this sort of handlebar-ectomy with a hacksaw 
with good results, I've always used a plumbing tubing cutter. The new cut, 
after a bit of sandpapering, has always looked equally clean and precise as 
the original manufacturer supplied end of the bar.

-Jack K.


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> That's good advice. The biggest problem with bar-ends (on drops) is just 
> getting used to where they are and learning to not jam your knees into them 
> on sharp turns. It's such a strong muscle memory for me now that I still do 
> it on my brifter bike!

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Re: [RBW] PSA: 2000 58cm Atlantis $675 complete bike

[David Hays]

Gone.


> On Apr 16, 2019, at 11:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> That's a crazy "sell it now I don't want to deal with it" price, which I've 
> done before. I'll eat my hat if it's still there tomorrow night. 
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! 50cm MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

I think you'd have a tough time making an ugly Atlantis. They're beautiful 
bikes!

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

Close enough! That's too nice of a chain to toss for color coordinatation.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! 50cm MIT Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

Tim, I like that look, too. I was headed towards settling on the silver/black 
vibe, then I popped the black Jones Loops on and ordered the Microshift 
drivetrain, so that kinda made the decision for me. What's cool is both looks 
work on this frame!

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[RBW] Re: 3x9 brifter recommendations? (Sam Hillborne 62cm, Tektro r559, noodles)

[Joe Bernard]

That's good advice. The biggest problem with bar-ends (on drops) is just 
getting used to where they are and learning to not jam your knees into them on 
sharp turns. It's such a strong muscle memory for me now that I still do it on 
my brifter bike!

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[RBW] Re: 3x9 brifter recommendations? (Sam Hillborne 62cm, Tektro r559, noodles)

[Pancake]

Mark's suggestion:

If your friend is set on STI, then he should go with a complete Shimano 
> drivetrain.  My experience with Shimano STI and the Sugino crank left much 
> to be desired.  It just didn't shift as sure and smooth as a full Shimano 
> package.  All other parts will work fine.  You'll need STI levers, front 
> derailleur, rear derailleur, crankset and BB.  Current 9spd cassette should 
> work.  Note that I think the only current Shimano group with 9spd is Sora 
> and they might offer a version that works with older road and mtn 
> derailleurs.  The latest version uses a different pull ratio and that won't 
> work with your friends derailleurs.

*As always, Rivendell staff are super helpful and well informed. *
 
*My take home from all this: it is possible to have a functional but not 
great brifter setup with Sugino XD2 / XD600, but it's better to have all 
Shimano road components to have smooth shifting. *

I've convinced my friend to adjust the handlebars (longer stem plus tild 
bars up and away from his knees a bit). If 1,000 miles doesn't convince him 
and his budget allows he can try swapping to brifters then. 

*Thanks a million for all the helpful and detailed replies. *

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Joseph Bernard]

Almost. The cassette and derailer will be black, but I'm running a shiny
new nickel Wipperman Connex chain so it'll be a good while before I can pop
a black one in there. It was supposed to look good with the silver/black XT
derailer..oops! 😁

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> Will the Microshift drivetrain give you a black cassette and chain? Then
> you could have a sweet stealth drive train.
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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

Will the Microshift drivetrain give you a black cassette and chain? Then you 
could have a sweet stealth drive train.

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[RBW] Re: new bike week

[Ash]

What Jonathan is saying so true about Bosco bars.   At first, in theory, it 
doesn't make sense.  After  using Albatross, Choco, Jones Loop, Surly Open 
and a few more, I bought Bosco out of curiosity.  Primarily because when I 
went to pick up wheels from Rich's place I noticed he had Bosco on many of 
his bikes.

Now I'm a convert.  I had Bosco on the 51cm App I had.  Used the same bar 
on 50cm Atlantis.  My latest is 46cm Appa.  Also has Boscos.  Heck, I have 
even put the 52cm Boscos my road bike (which had real nice Campy brifter 
cockpit) and love it.  Maybe looks a bit comical.  That's fine.

It did take a bit of trial and error with various stems before I went from 
'like it' to 'love it'.  Initially I had the 52cm Bosco on the Apps.  For 
my arm length and stuff 55cm felt noticeably more comfy.  (Hence the 52cm 
became spare and went on the road bike)

@John - Congratulations!  Nice build.  Appaloosa is a great bike.  Keeper 
for life!  I'm a bit jealous because I haven't been able to fit fenders 
with similar width tires I have.  Btw, mine was the last available 46cm 
Silver frame that I bought from Riv 2 months ago!




On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 06:34:45 UTC-7, Jonathan K. wrote:
>
> That Appaloosa looks so good! I saw it a few days ago on Utility Bicycle 
> Works's Instagram. It looks even better now that it's finished. 
>
> I admit, though, I'm biased. I also have an Appaloosa with Bosco bars. I 
> hope you update after you've used them for a while. When I first put them 
> on my bike, I almost immediately took them off, they felt so upright and 
> bizarre. After a while, though, they became my favorite. I've tried almost 
> every bar that Riv sells on my Appaloosa (Choco, Chocomoose, Albatross, 
> Billie, Bullmoose), and the Boscos are the ones that are staying. I really 
> want to hear how you like them on a longer tour. I ride my Appaloosa a lot, 
> but mainly for commuting. I haven't done any really long rides on it. (The 
> longest ride on that bike was about 30-40 miles and the Boscos were great.)
>
> How's the fender clearance with those 2.1" tires? I think your pictures 
> just convinced me to try some Antelope Hills on my Joe.
>
> Jonathan
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[RBW] Re: Tolkien themed MIT Atlantis

[Ian Wilder]

Amazing! I feel that if I ever had a Bombadil it would have to be decked 
out like this. 

On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 10:46:22 AM UTC-5, James / Analog Cycles wrote:
>
> We built this MIT Atlantis up for a gal who lives outside of Boston.  
> She's 13, super into Tolkien, and wanted to do a theme'd build.  She set us 
> up with a few long quotes, and Candice typed them out on a type writer onto 
> the bar tape and cloth chainstay wrap.  Lots shellac and twine finished 
> that up.  
>
> Bar quotes:  Then he took out his morning letters, and began to read, 
> pretending to take no more notice of the old man. He had decided that he 
> was not quite of his sort and wanted him to go away. But the old man did 
> not move. He stood leaning on his stick and gazing at the hobbit without 
> saying anything, till Bilbo got quite uncomfortable and even a little 
> cross.  “Good morning!” he said at last. “ We don’t want any adventures 
> here, thank you! You might try over the hill or across the water.” By this 
> he meant the conversation was at an end.
>
> “What a lot of things you use good morning for!” Said Gandalf. “Now you 
> mean to be rid of me, and that it won’t be good till I move off.”
> “Not at all, not at all my dear sir! Let me see, I don’t think I know your 
> name?”
> “Yes, yes my dear sir—and I do know your name, Mr. Bilbo Baggins. And you 
> do know my name, although you don’t remember that I belong to it. I am 
> Gandalf and Gandalf is me! To think that I should have lived to be 
> good-morninged by Belladonna Took’s son, as if I was selling buttons at the 
> door!”
>
> Chainstay—
> As they sang the hobbit felt the love of beautiful things made by hands 
> and by cunning and by a jealous love, the desire of the hearts of dwarves. 
> Then something Tookish woke up inside of him, and he wished to go and see 
> the great mountains, and hear the pine trees and the waterfalls, and 
> explore the caves, and wear a sword instead of a walking stick.
>
> Build is what we consider a really nice basic build here at Analog.  Bitex 
> touring rear hub, SP front hub, B+M headlight, Analog (soon to be renamed 
> Tanglefoot) (w)Right stem, VO bars, wide but not super wide range gearing.  
> She's gunna use the bike for school commuting, adventuring (just rode to 
> Walden Pond!), and eventually car replacement.  Pretty rad 13 year old (or 
> anyone, really!)
>
> [image: LRG_DSC00875.JPG]
>
> [image: fullsizeoutput_10b3.jpeg]
>
> [image: LRG_DSC00873.JPG]
>
> [image: fullsizeoutput_10ac.jpeg]
>
>
> [image: fullsizeoutput_10a5.jpeg]
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 58 double top-tube complete or F/F/HS

[Ian Wilder]

Bumping. No longer selling as complete.
F/F/HS $900
Wheelset w/o tires $950
Will part out most of the rest if either sells.

Ian

On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 6:53:46 PM UTC-5, Ian Wilder wrote:
>
> Here are some updated pictures! 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/uHhmqMBDf4QbsPD59
>
> Let me know off list if you're interested or have any other questions.
>
> Ian 
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-5, Ian Wilder wrote:
>>
>> Hey All, 
>>
>> Selling my Sam, complete or parted out. 
>>
>> Highlights: 
>>
>> 2012 Frameset double top tube 58cm, black and cream. (Purchased Brand new 
>> from Rivelo in 2016) 
>> Paul Racers center mount 
>> White Industries Road 42/28 172.5mm 
>> Shimano 11-36 Cassette 
>> Nitto drop bars off an old Cannondale Black Lightning. 
>> Tektro Levers 
>> XT Rear derailleur 
>> Misc shimano front derailleur 
>> Suntour Ratchet "barcons" 
>> Wheels: Velocity Atlas, Phil Touring rear, Son Deluxe Wide Body front, 
>> Paul Skewers. 
>> Tires: Nearly new compass Snoqualmie Pass 
>>
>>
>> In overall great shape, some light clear coat "swirling" on top tube from 
>> my rear dyno cable routing. Hardly any scratches, no dents. Fender mount at 
>> bottom bracket is stripped ( I remember having to use a strange sized screw 
>> or a small screw and bolt. I can't remember and haven't had fenders on it 
>> in a while.) 
>>
>> **Does not include saddle, rack, basket, bottle cages or pictured bags, 
>> lights or bell.** 
>>
>> I can send more detailed pictures if interested. Let me know if you have 
>> any questions. 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Y2iXT5FoyDkuYbA6A 
>>
>> Complete - $2600 
>>
>> F/F/HS, Seatpost, BB - $1000 
>>
>> F/F/HS, Seatpost, BB, + Brakes - $1200 
>>
>> Wheelset and tires - $1100 
>>
>> Buyer pays shipping via BikeFlights. 
>>
>> Cheers! Located in St. Louis Missouri if you want to give it a ride! 
>> 314-359-5233
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! 50cm MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

Roberta, after a few days I can certainly say this is the best feeling bike 
I've ridden.

Kai, I may remove the skateboard rack as it won't fit my current 10" board 
that I'm riding and have to strap it on the basket, which works fine too. 
I've thought about going smaller again but the big board is a lot of fun.
 
Joe, I was planning on doing all black after seeing pics of yours but I 
ended up mixing in some silver and now I'm liking the yin yang look of the 
black/silver combo.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 1:24:01 PM UTC-5, Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
> The frame arrived last Monday, I finished the build on Friday, and added 
> the racks on Saturday. This is my first Riv after years of wanting one. I 
> wasn't sure if the ride would live up to the hype but I'm loving it so far. 
> So stable and yet feels quick. After seeing Will's 2 speed setup I really 
> wanted to try it out. I'm in Chicago so it's flat but we do get some good 
> headwinds. So far I'm really digging it.
>
> The picture is after my first commute yesterday. I'll try and stop on the 
> way home today and get some outdoor pics. I think I'm going to take off the 
> rear rack and get one of the new Bag Boy saddle bags. I think that with the 
> medium basket bag will work great for commuting. I'll also get a lighter 
> front rack. Right now the bike is a bit heavy to carry up/down stairs so it 
> would be nice to lighten it up a bit. Don't really feel the weight riding 
> though. I got the water bottle cage behind the seat tube now, but I talked 
> to a guy at my shop who's into making bags and we talked about doing one 
> between rear tire and seat tube. Seems a perfect use for the space. I still 
> need to figure out fenders. Not enough room under the fork crown with these 
> Big Ben Plus tires but I really like the ride and flat proofness of them. 
> I'll probably end up splitting the front fender so I can continue using the 
> nice fat tires.
>
> I ride 10 miles each way to work and I'm enjoying the ride more than ever. 
> I had the same tires and Bosco bars on a Troll before this but the Atlantis 
> feels like riding on a cloud compared to my previous setup. The Deore 
> v-brakes feel better than the BB7 discs, which was a pleasant surprise. 
> Overall, I'm very happy with this bike.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day! 50cm MIT Atlantis

[Tim Baldwin]

Thanks Edgar. I'm still playing around with saddle positioning hence the 
tool roll strapped on the rack instead of attached to saddle rails. I 
measured saddle height at 68cm last night, which I lowered a little (maybe 
1cm) since the picture. My pbh is around 80cm.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 5:06:03 PM UTC-5, ed wrote:
>
> Very nice bulid Tim!
> What is your pbh and the distance between the center of the crank to the 
> top of your saddle?
> Edgar
>
> On 17 Apr 2019, at 4:05 AM, Tim Baldwin > 
> wrote:
>
> Tom, I was planning on keeping the Troll and putting 2.8s on for winter 
> riding but that Gus is tempting. Luckily not owning a car anymore helps in 
> the money department.
>
> Collin, I've long been a bike tinkerer. So much so that my LBS is now 
> offering me fill in shifts. The ride is definitely top rate.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 2:50:24 PM UTC-5, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Looks like a bomber commuter! And isn't it funny that even though you've 
>> had the bike for about a week you're already going through iterations and 
>> tinkering? It's probably my favorite part about Rivs, second only to the 
>> ride.
>>
>> Enjoy the new bike and ride the heck out of it!
>>
>> Collin
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 11:24:01 AM UTC-7, Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>> The frame arrived last Monday, I finished the build on Friday, and added 
>>> the racks on Saturday. This is my first Riv after years of wanting one. I 
>>> wasn't sure if the ride would live up to the hype but I'm loving it so far. 
>>> So stable and yet feels quick. After seeing Will's 2 speed setup I really 
>>> wanted to try it out. I'm in Chicago so it's flat but we do get some good 
>>> headwinds. So far I'm really digging it.
>>>
>>> The picture is after my first commute yesterday. I'll try and stop on 
>>> the way home today and get some outdoor pics. I think I'm going to take off 
>>> the rear rack and get one of the new Bag Boy saddle bags. I think that with 
>>> the medium basket bag will work great for commuting. I'll also get a 
>>> lighter front rack. Right now the bike is a bit heavy to carry up/down 
>>> stairs so it would be nice to lighten it up a bit. Don't really feel the 
>>> weight riding though. I got the water bottle cage behind the seat tube now, 
>>> but I talked to a guy at my shop who's into making bags and we talked about 
>>> doing one between rear tire and seat tube. Seems a perfect use for the 
>>> space. I still need to figure out fenders. Not enough room under the fork 
>>> crown with these Big Ben Plus tires but I really like the ride and flat 
>>> proofness of them. I'll probably end up splitting the front fender so I can 
>>> continue using the nice fat tires.
>>>
>>> I ride 10 miles each way to work and I'm enjoying the ride more than 
>>> ever. I had the same tires and Bosco bars on a Troll before this but the 
>>> Atlantis feels like riding on a cloud compared to my previous setup. The 
>>> Deore v-brakes feel better than the BB7 discs, which was a pleasant 
>>> surprise. Overall, I'm very happy with this bike.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2000 58cm Atlantis $675 complete bike

[Joe Bernard]

Roberta rides bikes my size, I have a 53 MIT Atlantis and previously a 51 
Appaloosa. I don't think she'd fit a 58cm of anything.  

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[RBW] Re: For sale: Brooks B-17 Narrow Honey

[George Schick]

Actually, I did send you a PM (not sure what "DM" means) reply back on 
April 4th or thereabouts, but evidently something didn't work right.  Maybe 
a spam filter got it or something.  I'll try again.  Look for an unusual 
e-mail address.

George

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Since no inquiries about this saddle, I'll drop my price to $75.00 shipped 
> CONUS.  Please DM me with questions.
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 3:59:30 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> Hello forum,
>>  I'm offering for sale my little to no used B17N in honey color.  It 
>> has never been wet and always stored indoors.  I have applied Velo Orange 
>> leather saddle treatment during the winter.  The saddle has only been used 
>> on 1-2 short rides.  The rails have a little scuffing from the seatpost but 
>> nothing significant.  I have never touched the adjusment screw.   I want 
>> $85.00 for the saddle shipped to lower 48 CONUS.  Please DM me off list 
>> with questions.
>>
>>
>> [image: 20190402_151228.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 20190402_151221.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 20190402_151212.jpeg]
>>  Steven
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2000 58cm Atlantis $675 complete bike

[Ian A]

For me, with my similar PBH,I'd consider it a correct fit. Depends on one's 
height, but if you are close to 5'9" or thereabouts, it might well work out for 
you. If you are shorter than that, I'd agree it's too big.

It would be a long drive to come home disappointed, but...

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2000 58cm Atlantis $675 complete bike

[REC (Roberta)]

The owner let me know it would be too tall for me (I gave him my maximum 
S.O. and PBH).  Last night, I put the bike carrier on my car, hoping to 
drive up tonight to purchase it.  Oh, well...

He didn't comment about it being shipped, but there's no harm in you (the 
group "you")  asking him (I'm assuming a "him.")  It's quite a deal!  I'm a 
bit too far from the bike to me an intermediary, though.

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: new bike week

[Jonathan D.]

John -  great build and I love my Rivelo silver Joe. I go back and forth on 
boscos and Chocos.  Both great bars with the Joe.

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[RBW] Re: new bike week

[Jonathan K.]

That Appaloosa looks so good! I saw it a few days ago on Utility Bicycle 
Works's Instagram. It looks even better now that it's finished. 

I admit, though, I'm biased. I also have an Appaloosa with Bosco bars. I 
hope you update after you've used them for a while. When I first put them 
on my bike, I almost immediately took them off, they felt so upright and 
bizarre. After a while, though, they became my favorite. I've tried almost 
every bar that Riv sells on my Appaloosa (Choco, Chocomoose, Albatross, 
Billie, Bullmoose), and the Boscos are the ones that are staying. I really 
want to hear how you like them on a longer tour. I ride my Appaloosa a lot, 
but mainly for commuting. I haven't done any really long rides on it. (The 
longest ride on that bike was about 30-40 miles and the Boscos were great.)

How's the fender clearance with those 2.1" tires? I think your pictures 
just convinced me to try some Antelope Hills on my Joe.

Jonathan

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