[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo Nov 2 and 3. Rivendell to exibit

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

How cool that you know the person who bought the display A.H. Hilsen!
Excited to see the TiGr CroMo "Blue" lock prototype. I plan to order a 
Mini+ when the KickStarter goes public.
Nice collection of photos!
Thanks for sharing them, 
David Lipsky

On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 6:29:50 PM UTC-8, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> 
>>
>>
>> Ely from Ruth Bags that I know many people here love.  Ron from King 
>> Cages.  Russ from The Path Less Pedaled.  Deb from Rivet.  Two brothers 
>> who started Tigr Locks.  The new not yet released one was very light and 
>> extremely flexible.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] briar tires

[Joe Bernard]

I've used Big Apples on a few 20"-wheel folders. Great puncture protection, and 
they seem less sluggish than Marathons. 

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo Nov 2 and 3. Rivendell to exibit

[Joe Bernard]

That Velo-Orange mini velo is sweet!

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Re: [RBW] briar tires

[tom horton]

big apples might be worth a try. haven’t dealt with goatheads/puncturevine, but 
they seem even worse than our greenbriar.  I can change a tire fine, just don’t 
want to be doing it every week, especially on winter rides through the forests 
when it’s cold enough your hands don’t work so well.

thanks for all the advice.

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo Nov 2 and 3. Rivendell to exibit

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

REC (Roberta)
What were you thinking of posting a customized saddle with a heart rivet?  Leah 
is already obsessing how to get her silly little hands on the heart shaped 
jewel 💜😂.
I so wanted to head there at the 11th hour.  Putting it on my bucket list and 
checking it off next year.  See you at the Taco truck.  If anyone has trees I 
can hang a hammock from I will find a way to stay warm.  Love fall camping.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: Jackets, Jackets, Jackets!

[Dave Grossman]

Hey Julian, I did not but I sent you a PM just now.

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo Nov 2 and 3. Rivendell to exibit

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

These are great! Thanks for “taking us along” with you. ❤️

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Leah Peterson]

I have this same question, Roberta. Does anyone know when the next batch of 
Clementines come to Rivendell? They really are beloved and they do sell. 

Ryan is poking fun at me for Clem hoarding but it’s much worse than he thinks. 
I started out with a Betty Foy and over time, I wore my family members down and 
we are overrun with Clems! Here’s the line up:
Husband: Clem H
Son: Clem H
Sister: Clem L
Brother in law: Clem L
Mother in law: Clementine (it’s mine, now)
Me: Clem L

*Also, my Mom has a 2019 Cheviot. Why not a Clem, you ask? Because it didn’t 
come in “sea foam.” But that Cheviot did.🙄

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 3:29 PM, REC (Roberta)  wrote:
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Re: [RBW] briar tires

[Patrick Moore]

I meant to say of course: "but from my experience, *and extrapolating from
these to the Endurance casings,* I'll bet $15 that the Endurance casings
wont "

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 7:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I've used only 1 extralight model, but from my experience with thorns, I'd
> bet $15 that they won't protect sufficiently for your tastes against
> goatheads.
>


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Re: [RBW] briar tires

[Patrick Moore]

I've used only 1 extralight model, but from my experience with thorns, I'd
bet $15 that they won't protect sufficiently for your tastes against
goatheads. Pre-Stan's and Orange Seal, I used Kojaks (35 labeled/32 actual)
on a couple of my road bikes; the puncture belt sufficed to keep goathead
punctures down to about 1 every 30 miles, which I considered to be the
preferable commuting and errand choice to riding dog tires; I went through
most of a yearly purchase of 200 Remas a year, though of course this use
included other bikes with other tires, some of which were 23 mm wide racing
tires and got slightly fewer miles per flat than the Kojaks but not hugely
so; and 60 mm Big Apples, which had a really effective puncture belt, and
which would be punctured by goatheads much less frequently, tho' they
weren't flat free -- but the BAs weigh literally 2X what my current fat
tires weigh.

The only systems I've found to be almost 100% proof against thorns are:
Modern Stan's and Orange Seal, used with as light a tire as you like (175
gram 559 X 28s; 450 gram 722 X 60s) -- tubeless for lower pressures, tubed
with sufficient road-like pressures -- tubeless works somewhat better; or
the pre-sealant standard around here, which was a heavy, heavy, belted tire
with thorn proof tube (2 lb in 700C C 50 size, no kidding, but you can get
them for 25s-28s) + tire liner + Slime. Result = bow wow.

The local roadies used to cut the beads off a used racing tire and use
*that* as a liner between tube and new tire; gain, too woofy for me.

II haven't used Big Apples for years, but they do reduce your puncture
repair to I'd guess about 1 about every 100 miles, this on pavement where
the hard surface seems to push the thorn through the casing. On dirt, I've
very often come out with literally dozens of thorns in front and rear
tread, brushed them off, and ridden away without air loss.  60 mm, 15 to 20
psi, normal tube, no sealant.

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 12:38 PM Tom Horton  wrote:

> ...
> Wonder how thorn proof those new endurance plus casings from compass/herse
> are?  I sure like their standard tires on pavement
>

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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Joe Bernard]

You get a Clem and YOU get a Clem! It's like Oprah except there's only two 
people in the audience and they get all the Clems 😂

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[RBW] Re: Jackets, Jackets, Jackets!

[Julian Westerhout]

Dave, 

I sent a PM this morning about the women's small jacket -- did you receive 
it? 

Thanks, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-6, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Clearing out some useful outdoorsy jackets to get some new gear for my 
> kids.  If anyone is interested and requires clarification or more pics, let 
> me know.  All prices are shipping included, net to me, in the CONUS.  I'm 
> in Chicago and if anyone local wants to meet up, I'll deduct shipping from 
> the price.
>
>
> PICTURES HERE:  
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1GE5mK3GDegzKGCproq0FNuPoUx5N5q9I?usp=sharing
>
>
> 1.  Arcteryx Gamma Polartec Soft Shell MENS XL-  I've had this for quite 
> some time and its been used a fair amount.  It still has plenty of life 
> left and Arcteryx is great about fixing stuff.  It has some dark spots from 
> use and the zipper is wearing a bit but it still works great.  Its a made 
> in B.C. model as well.  Polartec lining.  *ASKING $50 SHIPPED.*
>
> 2.  Eddie Bauer/ First Ascent Stormdown 800 fill Hoody MENS LARGE-  This 
> is a slim fitting jacket that I wore for a couple of seasons but got a new 
> Atom LT hoody and am wearing that instead.  I originally got it to replace 
> an original First Ascent downlight that had zipper issues.  Has a few 
> stains from wear but is in good shape overall.  *ASKING $40 SHIPPED.*
>
> 3.  Mountain Hardwear Women's Gore Tex Pro Mountaineering Shell WOMENS 
> SMALL-  My wife bought this a bunch of years back to wear as a commuter 
> jacket so her helmet could it in it but she never liked the cut and hasn't 
> worn it much.  It is Gore Tex Pro, so you know, its pro!  In great shape 
> and a cool orange color.  *ASKING $50 SHIPPED.*
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Says the man (Joe) with two to the lady (Leah) with four.  You each are among 
my favorite Riv Listers.

Sincerely,
Ryan “Clem less” Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on some Napa routes?

[Bill Rhea]

Hi Lee,

Sounds like you'd come down St. Helena / Spring Mtn road out of the 
mountains heading into St. Helena. I would probably opt for White Cottage / 
Ink Grade instead of Howell Mtn Rd, as there's less traffic, for sure.  Old 
Howell Mountain Road is the best climb up from Silverado.  However, they've 
blocked it off at the top where it hits Howell Mountain Road so you would 
probably need to throw it over the barrier when you hit the top  
Anybody else ridden Old Howell Mountain Rd recently?

If you are there another time (maybe w/o camping gear) I definitely suggest 
Mt Veeder and Dry Creek roads.  Super low traffic; I'm usually out there by 
myself!

Cheers,

-br




On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 9:57:59 AM UTC-8, LeeC wrote:
>
> Hey RBWers, hope you are all enjoying a good fall!
>
> I'm thinking about doing the following ride this Saturday morning and 
> wanted to get your thoughts on how difficult, how much time, relative 
> safety and traffic conditions, etc. Note, I'll be traveling with a camping 
> load on the bike. 
>
> I'd appreciate any input you may have on:
>
> 1. Bothe-Napa Valley State Park to Pope Valley via either Howell Mountain 
> Rd or White Cottage Rd + Ink Grade
>
> 2. Chiles and Pope Valley Rd to Lake Hennessey
>
> 3. Lake Hennessy down to Yountsville, likely via the Silverado Trail
>
> Cheers,
> Lee
> SF, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell

[Ash]

In last years since I started 'Riv'ing, I think I have accumulated enough 
parts and accessories for biking plans I have for next 10 years  :)  

So today I ordered a few books, stickers and a few hundred dollars worth of 
gift card, which I will use toward a Susie or Boots (or maybe a Charlie)



On Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:30:46 UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> This quote sums it up better than most:
>
> *"This is our specialty: Complicating life unnecessarily, going to a 
> Trouble Factor of 10 to achieve an Improvement Factor of 3."*
>
> That's from Grant's latest BLAGH, talking about the sweater that is super 
> expensive, super difficult, that they won't make any money on.  It's a 
> general fact about Rivendell.  They have ideals and they spend every penny 
> to realize their ideals, and they price things so that they barely make any 
> money at all.  Those who can afford the prices and appreciate the ideals 
> are thankful for Rivendell.  Those who appreciate the ideals and can't 
> afford the prices try to find all the products second-hand, and sometimes 
> lament that the products are too expensive new, and too rare second-hand.  
> Those who don't appreciate the ideals dislike Rivendell as overpriced, 
> overbuilt, opinionmakers and other rude things. 
>
> It's true that Rivendell has always done things the "right way" in their 
> minds which usually is the hard way even when they go smoothly.  The 
> projects they take on that don't go smoothly are excruciating.  They put 
> themselves frequently, annually in tight financial spots every winter.  
> It's easy to say "that's their fault", but it's similarly easy to say that 
> it's our fault.  We know this is the reality, so if we want them to stay in 
> business, then we can help them stay in business by buying the things they 
> have in stock over the winter.
>
> So, this is my reminder to us all.  Look around for things they have in 
> stock, especially the Garage Sale and Last Chance stuff.  If you need any 
> of those things, buy something.  For things you 'might need' someday, Try 
> to put 100 of them in your CART.  If they have only 1, you'll see it, and 
> maybe you should buy it before they run out.  If they have a TON of that 
> item, that's a ton of cash that they have locked on the shelf.  Buying some 
> of that will free up that cash for them.  
>
> Here's a few things that got my attention:
>
> There's a couple nice merino shirts in Garage Sale, that they still have 
> in Medium.  They are warm, not stinky and last forever if cared for 
> properly.  I might grab one of each
> I'm going to buy a wide-low Silver 173mm crankset.  It's heavier than a 
> Rene Herse crankset, and wider Q-Factor, but I'm certain it's just as 
> strong and will last as long, and is less than half the price.  
> I'm going to add a few bumper stickers, patches, a couple rolls of 
> Newbaums, and some Sheldons Nuts
>
> Things I won't be buying but there are a lot of:
>
> Tandem cranksets.  They have 25 of them in stock.  At $500 that's an 
> amazing deal on the nicest tandem crankset you can get for $500.  If you 
> are ever going to set up a tandem, maybe you can see buying one?  
>
> Saddlesack bags.  They have 18 of the Baggabond, 14 ClembaSacks and some 
> other things.  They are really good sacks.  I use a Shopsack Large as 
> weekend luggage all the time.  I use a mediums as race day tool kits, and 
> another medium for a helmet and shoes race day bag.  The things are bomb 
> proof.  Bag-matchers may be mad that they don't have 4 different models all 
> in your color all in stock right now.  Buy what they have, and be OK with a 
> little wabi-sabi.  
>
> There's lots of other stuff but I don't want to bore folks. 
>
> Happy shopping!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell

[Drew Henson]

this thread inspired me to get the new nitto front rack too. especially 
after watching the basket on my AHH wiggle, zip tied to a mark's rack, on 
my ride this morning. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Joe Bernard]

They need to just keep ordering them. Clems are so popular that people don't 
even sell them later, it's quite difficult to track any down on the used 
market. Because they're perfect!  

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Re: [RBW] Opinions on some Napa routes?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Tour of the Napa Valley stitches together most of these roads:

https://ridewithgps.com/trips/17036705  
(not my GPS track)

You can cut out some distance and climbing by turning left at mile 44.5 onto 
Chiles Pope Valley Road and heading straight for Pope Valley.

Another suggested change: Go through downtown St Helena and stop at the Model 
Bakery. Lots of yummy baked goods, sandwiches, etc., there—but no restrooms. 
Or, at the southern end of St Helena is Gott’s (formerly Taylor’s Refresher), 
which offers gourmet fast food and long lines.

Most of Angwin is closed on Saturdays. There’s a gas station there that might 
be open, but if you’re low on water, just coast downhill to St Helena.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Rick Thompson  wrote:
> 
> I did a route like that about this time last year. Most of Howell Mtn was, 
> and I think still is, closed to cars so that's great. Angwin stores are 
> closed on Saturday (Adventists, I think), but Pope Valley Market at the 
> bottom of Howell Mtn has cold drinks. Chiles Pope Valley is nice, not much 
> traffic until around the lake but even that's not bad. Silverado Trail is 
> busy with wine-sotted drivers, but the shoulders are wide. Goathead thorns 
> are dry and sharp and everywhere, I ran out of tubes fixing flats.
> 
> 
> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 9:57:59 AM UTC-8, LeeC wrote:
> Hey RBWers, hope you are all enjoying a good fall!
> 
> I'm thinking about doing the following ride this Saturday morning and wanted 
> to get your thoughts on how difficult, how much time, relative safety and 
> traffic conditions, etc. Note, I'll be traveling with a camping load on the 
> bike. 
> 
> I'd appreciate any input you may have on:
> 
> 1. Bothe-Napa Valley State Park to Pope Valley via either Howell Mountain Rd 
> or White Cottage Rd + Ink Grade
> 
> 2. Chiles and Pope Valley Rd to Lake Hennessey
> 
> 3. Lake Hennessy down to Yountsville, likely via the Silverado Trail
> 
> Cheers,
> Lee
> SF, CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[REC (Roberta)]

Rivendell sold out of these bikes within a month of getting them.  Does 
anyone know if they are planning to get more completes?  More frames?  I'm 
not talking about a reinvented version, but the same version and same 
colors that they just need to order (I know it's not that simple) and keep 
in stock until that batch is sold out.  It is an extremely popular model 
and unlike any of their other offerings.

Roberta

On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 5:30:10 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Yes, Garth! These photos were so helpful; I knew I wasn’t imagining this. 
> I thought I noticed it in the photo the seller had on Craigslist - I 
> remember thinking that bike looked looonnnggg. 
>
> I’m telling you, this Clem is a DIFFERENT BIKE. And you know what else? My 
> sister had been riding (ok stealing) her husband’s 59 Clem L in grilver, 
> and though it was too big, she got used to it. When her 52 Clem L came (in 
> bronzy green Sept 2019) I figured she’d fall in love and declare it the 
> best bike ever. But every time I asked she’d give me a non-enthusiastic 
> answer and say she missed her husband’s bike. I wonder if the geometry 
> changes to her new bike are why she’s been so lukewarm. 

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on some Napa routes?

[Rick Thompson]

I did a route like that about this time last year. Most of Howell Mtn was, 
and I think still is, closed to cars so that's great. Angwin stores are 
closed on Saturday (Adventists, I think), but Pope Valley Market at the 
bottom of Howell Mtn has cold drinks. Chiles Pope Valley is nice, not much 
traffic until around the lake but even that's not bad. Silverado Trail is 
busy with wine-sotted drivers, but the shoulders are wide. Goathead thorns 
are dry and sharp and everywhere, I ran out of tubes fixing flats.


On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 9:57:59 AM UTC-8, LeeC wrote:
>
> Hey RBWers, hope you are all enjoying a good fall!
>
> I'm thinking about doing the following ride this Saturday morning and 
> wanted to get your thoughts on how difficult, how much time, relative 
> safety and traffic conditions, etc. Note, I'll be traveling with a camping 
> load on the bike. 
>
> I'd appreciate any input you may have on:
>
> 1. Bothe-Napa Valley State Park to Pope Valley via either Howell Mountain 
> Rd or White Cottage Rd + Ink Grade
>
> 2. Chiles and Pope Valley Rd to Lake Hennessey
>
> 3. Lake Hennessy down to Yountsville, likely via the Silverado Trail
>
> Cheers,
> Lee
> SF, CA
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Yes, Garth! These photos were so helpful; I knew I wasn’t imagining this. I 
thought I noticed it in the photo the seller had on Craigslist - I remember 
thinking that bike looked looonnnggg. 

I’m telling you, this Clem is a DIFFERENT BIKE. And you know what else? My 
sister had been riding (ok stealing) her husband’s 59 Clem L in grilver, and 
though it was too big, she got used to it. When her 52 Clem L came (in bronzy 
green Sept 2019) I figured she’d fall in love and declare it the best bike 
ever. But every time I asked she’d give me a non-enthusiastic answer and say 
she missed her husband’s bike. I wonder if the geometry changes to her new bike 
are why she’s been so lukewarm. 

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[RBW] long shot: looking to test ride a 60cm Cheviot in the DC area

[Howard Hatten]

Paul , I have an 89 pbh and ride a 60 Cheviot. My seat post has 3.5cm showing. 
My cranks are 175. 
I think the 60 will be to big for your wife. 
Nice try on the dual ownership. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/CUi633Pc6KzDDRJ88

Howard
Livonia Mi

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Re: [RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I use a s-84 27.2 lugged post on my 29.8 Clem no problem! I used a shim which I 
filed to fit the contours of the seat lug. Never slipped, and looked even 
better to my eye. As for my 26.8 Roscos, nitto makes the s-83.
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell

[Kevin Mulcahy]

Oh well, nevermind. They're out of everything in sizes other than small...

On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 9:26:08 AM UTC-6, Kevin Mulcahy wrote:
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> Good reminder. Thanks Bill. It's also that time of the year to order 
> merino baselayers. Might as well order them from Riv!
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Re: [RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

[Joe Bernard]

I suspect "modern standards" would be just as bewildering to me as Riv 
standards are to you. I've gone through stacks of 26.8 and 27.2 posts over many 
years and have never had trouble finding all the new and used ones I needed. 
For big fun try getting into folding bikes and figuring out THOSE sizes! 

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Re: [RBW] FS: 62cm Rambouillet

[Mike Williams]

$700 frame/ fork should fly   Good luck,  awesome bike!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is my Rambouillet. There are many like it, but this one is mine. But it 
> also could be yours, since my riding has morphed from spirited weekend rides 
> to plodding urban trips better suited to my Hunqapillar.
> 
> Anyway, this is an original, orange, fancy-lugged model, 62cm. Current 
> components include:
> 
> - Wheels by Peter Jon White, XTR M900 hubs and MA3 rims. (I also have a 
> PJW-built front wheel with a SON hub and MA3 rims that could be sold on its 
> own or as part of a package deal.)
> - Front and rear derailers are Suntour XC9000
> - Ritchey Logic triple crank with Harris Cyclery "Century Special" 8-speed 
> cassette
> - Cane Creek levers, Tektro sidepulls
> - Ultegra headset, UN72 bb
> - B17 saddle, "Waybacker" seatpost, Albstache bars, Nitto stem
> - SKS fenders, Tubus Fly rack, Carradice saddlebag
> 
> I'm building up a Cheviot for my wife, and many of these components would 
> work well in that build, so I could either sell the whole shebang or just 
> f/f/hs/bb.
> 
> Pricewise I'm really stuck. I don't know whether to regard this bike as a 
> sought-after classic or an obsolete curiosity from the early days of 
> Rivendell. I'm not interested in holding out for top dollar, but I also don't 
> want to be a sucker. I'm thinking something like $700 for the frameset, $1500 
> complete, plus actual packing and shipping costs. If that seems out of line I 
> am open to suggestions and/or offers.
> 
> I've included a pic of the bike but can also provide closeups if there are 
> particular areas of concern.
> 
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

[Matt D]

Fair enough, it's only freaky and inconsistent by modern standards I 
suppose. That bit about the tubeset diameters makes a lot of sense, thanks. 
Anyone have a list of what tube specs have been used and when? That would 
be interesting to see.

It's way easy to find 27.2 as that's the most common current road standard. 
It's not hard to find 26.8 per se, there just isn't much variety. Not that 
you can't be happy with a Nitto post for the rest of your life, of course, 
but that lugged one is neat and 27.2 only.

Eric, Velo Orange had Kalloy make them 300mm long one-bolt posts in a range 
of weird sizes for $25 a pop. 25.0/4, 26.2/4/8, 27.0/2. Fantastic resource 
for older bikes.

On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 1:48:29 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> SheldonBrown.com has an entire page devoted to seatpost sizes:
>
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/seatpost-sizes.html 
>
> If you have an older bike, things get interesting. I have a ‘72 Cinelli 
> (26.2mm) and a ‘71 Motobecane (26.4mm) that both require seatposts that can 
> be somewhat difficult to find.
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Laing Conley > 
> wrote:
>
> Seat post size is the inner diameter of top of the seat tube (usually 
> single butted - thin part at the top) - change the tube = change the seat 
> post. When the Sam got 0.2 thicker tubes (same outer diameter = same lugs), 
> the seat post got smaller -> 27.2 minus 2 x 0.2 = 26.8.
>
>
> Laing Conley  
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > On Behalf Of Joe Bernard
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 1:53 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch >
> Subject: [RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent 
> seatpost standards?
>
> I believe it's a matter of what seatlug is used for a particular model. 
> 27.2 was on the MUSA frames, 29.8 was the socket-style lug originally used 
> on all Clems and now only the big ones, 26.8 is the lug currently used on 
> the smaller Clems and all MIT fully-lugged bikes. 
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[RBW] Re: Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

[Brewster Fong]

There appears to be two major sources for 26.8 and 29.8mm seatposts. 
Kalloy, as you mentioned, and Thomson. Not sure anyone else, including 
Nitto sells a 29.8mm.Good Luck!


On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 10:39:19 AM UTC-8, Matt D wrote:
>
> So what's the deal with Grant's thinking on seatposts? There are a lot of 
> Rivs that come with the 26.8mm seatpost standard. Roadini, Sam H., and the 
> lower two sizes of the Clem come with 26.8 and I believe all the others are 
> made for 27.2 or 29.8 in the case of the Hubbuhubbuh and 59cm Clem.
>
> So, my questions...
>
> Considering how hard they are to come by outside of the stock Kalloy 
> seatposts Rivendell ships with frames, "Dajia Cycleworks" (really just a 
> Velo Orange house brand), and Nitto stuff, why use it at all? Does the 
> 0.4mm jump really impart much of a benefit to ride quality? If it does and 
> you're already willing to forego wide compatibility why not go straight to 
> 26.0? When 26.8 isn't used, why isn't it used? Why jump straight to 29.8 
> for the largest Clem? If a 59cm Clem needs such a beefy seatpost shouldn't 
> the 57 and 61 Roadinis get one too, or are they not offroady enough? Why do 
> tall Clems have to use a seatpost in a size Rivendell doesn't even sell? Do 
> the Roadeo and Homer use 27.2 so people can use more conventional 
> with-the-times parts on it and if so, why not others too?
>
> I've always been baffled by this so if anyone with inside knowledge can 
> explain this to me I'd love to hear why.
>

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[RBW] long shot: looking to test ride a 60cm Cheviot in the DC area

[Dorothy C]

I am an 81 pbh, and I have a 55 Cheviot. Earlier this year my wife and took a 
ride with Grant with a Hubbuh Hubbuh and his 60cm Cheviot. I got scared on the 
back of the tandem, and tried to ride to 60cm Cheviot. I couldn’t get my behind 
on the saddle - between the height of the seatpost lug and the curve of the 
seatpost itself, the saddle wouldn’t go down to a ridable height for me. 
Worth noting too, is the Cheviot is a long bike - a couple inches more and it 
would probably not fit on our Thule rack. I am fine on the 55 Cheviot - I have 
Choconorm bars on it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Garth]

I just tested these after posting, and google gives me one of these silly 
red "deceptive site" warnings . which is hilarious as google is calling 
google groups a "deceptive site" !  Ahahaahahaha !

So if you see the red warning, choose to ignore it. 

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Re: [RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

SheldonBrown.com has an entire page devoted to seatpost sizes:

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/seatpost-sizes.html 

If you have an older bike, things get interesting. I have a ‘72 Cinelli 
(26.2mm) and a ‘71 Motobecane (26.4mm) that both require seatposts that can be 
somewhat difficult to find.

--Eric N

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Laing Conley  wrote:
> 
> Seat post size is the inner diameter of top of the seat tube (usually single 
> butted - thin part at the top) - change the tube = change the seat post. When 
> the Sam got 0.2 thicker tubes (same outer diameter = same lugs), the seat 
> post got smaller -> 27.2 minus 2 x 0.2 = 26.8.
> 
> 
> Laing Conley  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  
> On Behalf Of Joe Bernard
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 1:53 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Subject: [RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost 
> standards?
> 
> I believe it's a matter of what seatlug is used for a particular model. 27.2 
> was on the MUSA frames, 29.8 was the socket-style lug originally used on all 
> Clems and now only the big ones, 26.8 is the lug currently used on the 
> smaller Clems and all MIT fully-lugged bikes. 
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[RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

[Bill Lindsay]

Freaky and inconsistent is a little much. 

28.6mm is the outside diameter of a normal seat tube. 0.7mm wall thickness 
yields a 27.2mm seatpost. 0.9mm wall thickness yields a 26.8mm seatpost. The 
thinking is spec tubing that is stout enough for the application and the 
seatpost diameter is a result. 

If Grant wanted to take the easy way, use off the shelf tubing for all bikes 
and do what everybody else did, then all Rivendells would be 27.2mm. For the 
Silver tube sets that he decided to have made, he decided to spec a little bit 
thicker wall thickness for a little bit more stoutness. 

It’s totally easy to find 27.2mm seatposts. It’s totally easy to find 26.8mm 
seatposts. If you are having a hard time finding the right size, let us know 
and we’ll help you find one. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Garth]

Hi Roberta, I'm using Firefox in Linux Mint.  I did some searching about IE 
and it seems it has no such option, which is rather archaic on their part ! 

Instead try these urls of the images I see in my browser, if they aren't 
live then copy and past in separate tabs. 

https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/26ab610050226/Clem-l-59.jpg?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrG558PPoIizu8t-8Pj2wtiTgkRn77z1X8Bp58CrfwZ9eQfqrANrpnHgPMAH8x45x2U6M275GLt5f18e8RrJ5XoylJmSEeDJKyjKnQpyK-U6VRk9-Jw

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On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 12:40:17 PM UTC-5, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> Garth,
>
> What browser are you using?  I don't have a view option (IE in Windows 10, 
> and, yes, I know it should be something else).
>
> Roberta
>
>

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Re: [RBW] briar tires

[Tom Horton]

I have thought about tubeless and haven t convinced myself it s worth new rims 
and needing to remember to renew sealant occasionally   It s flat down here on 
the delmarva peninsula and few rocks—we were basically ocean bottom not that 
long ago— so traction and pinch flats not biggies.

But if i do go that route i think gravel kings perfect  i have some in lesser 
width on my quickbeam  with tubes

Wonder how thorn proof those new endurance plus casings from compass/herse are? 
 I sure like their standard tires on pavement

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> On Nov 11, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Matt D <99m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Why isn't tubeless an option? Haven't got an appropriate wheelset, no budget 
> for it, just don't like the idea?
> 
> I'm not a huge fan of tubeless for most purposes but that's a use case for 
> which I would certainly consider it. The reason it's so popular in MTB is 
> that you can run lower pressures for more comfort and better traction without 
> the danger of a pinch flat. It's also popular with people riding super-supple 
> tires like Compass/Rene Herse on road and gravel because you can run thinner 
> casings if you don't have to worry about a ride-ending series of flats from 
> small things like thorns.
> 
> Your use case is somewhere in between, you're riding trails but you aren't 
> riding hard enough to risk PF'ing on a rock garden so the reason you're doing 
> it is more similar to that of the Bicycle Quarterly adherent. Tires with tons 
> of belts and protection don't feel very good and don't conform around 
> obstacles as well, meaning that you have less traction offroad. You can 
> probably get the same flat protection without tubeless but you'll cost 
> yourself ride quality. In your situation I would use a 48mm Gravelking SK set 
> up tubeless on Velocity Cliffhanger or VO Voyager rims.
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RE: [RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

[Laing Conley]

Seat post size is the inner diameter of top of the seat tube (usually single 
butted - thin part at the top) - change the tube = change the seat post. When 
the Sam got 0.2 thicker tubes (same outer diameter = same lugs), the seat post 
got smaller -> 27.2 minus 2 x 0.2 = 26.8.


Laing Conley  


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Subject: [RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost 
standards?

I believe it's a matter of what seatlug is used for a particular model. 27.2 
was on the MUSA frames, 29.8 was the socket-style lug originally used on all 
Clems and now only the big ones, 26.8 is the lug currently used on the smaller 
Clems and all MIT fully-lugged bikes. 

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Re: [RBW] briar tires

[Matt D]

Why isn't tubeless an option? Haven't got an appropriate wheelset, no 
budget for it, just don't like the idea?

I'm not a huge fan of tubeless for most purposes but that's a use case for 
which I would certainly consider it. The reason it's so popular in MTB is 
that you can run lower pressures for more comfort and better traction 
without the danger of a pinch flat. It's also popular with people riding 
super-supple tires like Compass/Rene Herse on road and gravel because you 
can run thinner casings if you don't have to worry about a ride-ending 
series of flats from small things like thorns.

Your use case is somewhere in between, you're riding trails but you aren't 
riding hard enough to risk PF'ing on a rock garden so the reason you're 
doing it is more similar to that of the Bicycle Quarterly adherent. Tires 
with tons of belts and protection don't feel very good and don't conform 
around obstacles as well, meaning that you have less traction offroad. You 
can probably get the same flat protection without tubeless but you'll cost 
yourself ride quality. In your situation I would use a 48mm Gravelking SK 
set up tubeless on Velocity Cliffhanger or VO Voyager rims.

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[RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

[Joe Bernard]

I believe it's a matter of what seatlug is used for a particular model. 27.2 
was on the MUSA frames, 29.8 was the socket-style lug originally used on all 
Clems and now only the big ones, 26.8 is the lug currently used on the smaller 
Clems and all MIT fully-lugged bikes. 

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[RBW] long shot: looking to test ride a 60cm Cheviot in the DC area

[WETH]

Dear Paul,
My PBH is 86.5 and my seat height as pictured is 75.5
https://flic.kr/p/YN2Hgd
I’ve since sold the 60cm Cheviot to a list member far from here.  I hope you’ll 
find a local one to test ride. It’s a great bike!
Best wishes,
Erl
Kensington, MD

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[RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

[Matt D]

So what's the deal with Grant's thinking on seatposts? There are a lot of 
Rivs that come with the 26.8mm seatpost standard. Roadini, Sam H., and the 
lower two sizes of the Clem come with 26.8 and I believe all the others are 
made for 27.2 or 29.8 in the case of the Hubbuhubbuh and 59cm Clem.

So, my questions...

Considering how hard they are to come by outside of the stock Kalloy 
seatposts Rivendell ships with frames, "Dajia Cycleworks" (really just a 
Velo Orange house brand), and Nitto stuff, why use it at all? Does the 
0.4mm jump really impart much of a benefit to ride quality? If it does and 
you're already willing to forego wide compatibility why not go straight to 
26.0? When 26.8 isn't used, why isn't it used? Why jump straight to 29.8 
for the largest Clem? If a 59cm Clem needs such a beefy seatpost shouldn't 
the 57 and 61 Roadinis get one too, or are they not offroady enough? Why do 
tall Clems have to use a seatpost in a size Rivendell doesn't even sell? Do 
the Roadeo and Homer use 27.2 so people can use more conventional 
with-the-times parts on it and if so, why not others too?

I've always been baffled by this so if anyone with inside knowledge can 
explain this to me I'd love to hear why.

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[RBW] long shot: looking to test ride a 60cm Cheviot in the DC area

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

So, if you can’t get your hands on a 60 to try, my story may help. 

If I remember right (I’m about 95% sure), MY PBH is 83. I rode Grant’s 60 cm 
Cheviot last April and when I jumped off it I got more acquainted with that 
tube than I wanted to. I did not expect THAT on a mixte frame. I remember 
thinking 55 was the only way to go for me. 

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[RBW] long shot: looking to test ride a 60cm Cheviot in the DC area

[Paul Richardson]

i'm looking to buy a Cheviot for my wife, who with an 83cm PBH is right on 
the line between the 55cm and the 60cm Cheviot.  

I'd like to get a 60cm for several reasons (such as...me being able to ride 
it, too) but am concerned that it could be too big and she'll be riding 
with the saddle jammed all the way down.

if anyone in the DC area has a 60cm Cheviot, I'd love to meet up and take 
it for a spin.  I'll buy you a cider afterward.

thanks
paul
takoma park, md.

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[RBW] Opinions on some Napa routes?

[Lee Chae]

Hey RBWers, hope you are all enjoying a good fall!

I'm thinking about doing the following ride this Saturday morning and
wanted to get your thoughts on how difficult, how much time, relative
safety and traffic conditions, etc. Note, I'll be traveling with a camping
load on the bike.

I'd appreciate any input you may have on:

1. Bothe-Napa Valley State Park to Pope Valley via either Howell Mountain
Rd or White Cottage Rd + Ink Grade

2. Chiles and Pope Valley Rd to Lake Hennessey

3. Lake Hennessy down to Yountsville, likely via the Silverado Trail

Cheers,
Lee
SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[REC (Roberta)]

Garth,

What browser are you using?  I don't have a view option (IE in Windows 10, 
and, yes, I know it should be something else).

Roberta

On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 12:12:54 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:

>
>
> Right click on the images, click "view". This will open them full size. 
>

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[RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[REC (Roberta)]

Leah,

I cannot believe how BEAUTIFUL that color is.  So rich and the Riv website 
does not do it justice.  I noticed that when I saw the Cheviot in person 
last week.  For those looking at the Chev, Rivendell told me that the Chev 
and this Clem are the same color in blue.  

I also like the svelteness of this bike, compared to the original Clem.  
When I shopped originally for my first (and, I thought, "only" Riv), I had 
rejected the Clem because of the weight and heft.  However, this will be on 
my potential retirement bike and I'm looking forward to test riding it.  :)

Now that it's not in the triple digit temperature, you'll be able to ride 
nearly every day until summer.  ENJOY  You'll have to get another 
matching shirt for when it warms up!  :)

Roberta

On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 7:25:59 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> I inherited a first gen Clementine in a pretty aqua color this summer. I 
> took to it like a duck to water, and after ironing out a few details (those 
> awful Sunrace shifters, Kenda tires, and the old brake pads that were 
> speckling my legs with black dots) I became completely devoted to it. I 
> loved the fatter tires, the step-through frame, the luxurious long 
> chainstays and being just a tad more upright. The Betty Foy is still a 
> dear, but the Clementine is just a little more comfortable and a little 
> more practical, even if she isn’t the rare beauty that a Betty is.
>
> So, when a Clem L from Riv’s most recent batch came up for sale, I took 
> note. I decided to call myself #theclemcollector and purchased it. It’s the 
> blue color, and no photo has ever done this paint justice. It is the most 
> alluring blue-green, shot through with glimmer like sunlight in ocean 
> water. It has all the cream accents I’ve never had but always wanted and my 
> all-time favorite heart seat lug. 
>
> I mean REALLY. 
>
> Anyway, I picked it up from the shop and put it on the Hollywood rack on 
> the van. To my surprise, the trays (previously set up for the Clementine) 
> were too close together, and the bar that presses on the top tube and 
> secures the bike suddenly worked. My Clementine top tube was too low for 
> that rack, and I had to do ridiculous hacks that would horrify all of you 
> and that I won’t trouble you with here. Hmm. Well, that’s odd, I thought. I 
> looked at the two bikes side by side. The new Clem L looked lithe and 
> slender and a little sexy, and the Clementine looked like a big-boned 
> milkmaid gal. Surely it was a trick of that magic new paint job and I was 
> imagining it. It’s the same bike!
>
> I rode the blue Clem to school with the boys the next day and I noticed I 
> was not as upright, nor were those bars as close as I was used to. Same 
> Bosco bars, same stem, same saddle and saddle position, totally different 
> feel. 
>
> I was shocked to realize - *this is just not the same bike as the 
> Clementine*. I don’t really remember anyone else bringing this to light. 
> I do know that there were small changes made to the Clem frames over time, 
> like taking wider tires, and a small lengthening of chainstays, or so I 
> heard. But I didn’t expect the bike to be this different. Oh, it’s 
> wonderful alright, like Rivendells are, but it’s going to take some 
> fiddling with to get it the way I’d like. I did some crude measuring and it 
> appears there’s an inch more to the new Clem’s chainstays and maybe 2 
> inches longer from bars to saddle. Which explains why I feel I’m in a more 
> aggressive position. And sure enough, those tubes ARE more slender on the 
> new Clem L - I measured! 
>
> I’m curious if anyone else feels the new and old Clems are different 
> species and wants to weigh in. I wonder if I could have even sized down in 
> the new bike; both bikes are 52s. I really am enjoying the bike; but if I’m 
> being honest with you, I still stubbornly like how the Clementine fit me. 
> The aesthetics of the blue Clem are superior - cream accents, blue paint 
> job, prettier seat lug and thinner tubes...but the Clementine fit me a 
> little better. And yet, I still will mostly likely sell it because...I have 
> 4 Clems in my garage, though only one is extra, I promise.
>
> Signed,
> #theclemcollector
> Pictured, the monochromatic Clem L with its rider, matching it in 
> varying shades of blue, a photo trying catch the magic quality of the 
> paint, and the Betz and Clem L with their gorgeous heart seat lugs.***
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Joe Bernard]

You're right. Hopefully I haven't sent Leah on another wild goose chase of 
measuring with a tape of measure. Also, what IS a wild goose chase?? 🤔

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Garth]

Right click on the images, click "view". This will open them full size. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c wheelset with XTR M900 hubs

[Joey Robinson]

Hi Bill,

Good points, thanks. You are correct that the hubs are both 32H.

I'm currently using the skewers with my new wheelset, but if a buyer really 
wants the skewers I would be open to trading them for a set of internal-cam 
skewers of similar quality and shininess.

Thanks,
Joey

On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 11:55:44 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The two questions I imagine your buyer may ask are: how many spoke holes, 
> and are the period correct XTR skewers included?
>
> From the photos it looks like 32 hole front and rear.  Your price is great 
> even without skewers and even if the rims are trash.  If the skewers are 
> included and decent then your price is really great.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 8:06:41 AM UTC-8, Joey Robinson wrote:
>>
>> Posted this over on ibob already, but I thought the people here might be 
>> interested in these wheels/hubs as well.
>>
>> For sale is a 700c wheelset with old XTR hubs and unknown rims. Hubs are 
>> HB-M900 and FH-M900, I believe from 1992. Bearings are in great shape. 
>> Spacing is 100/135 QR. The rims are fairly worn down (see photo) so if you 
>> just want to buy this for the hubs, let me know and I'll unlace them and 
>> save a boatload on shipping. $100.
>>
>> Buyer will need to pay shipping from 30318. Price is negotiable so make 
>> me an offer if you think I'm asking too much.
>>
>> Pictures are here: 
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1w-XE61viXUdCSxO0a-4RXrmS5ixes8eV
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joey in Atlanta
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c wheelset with XTR M900 hubs

[Bill Lindsay]

The two questions I imagine your buyer may ask are: how many spoke holes, 
and are the period correct XTR skewers included?

>From the photos it looks like 32 hole front and rear.  Your price is great 
even without skewers and even if the rims are trash.  If the skewers are 
included and decent then your price is really great.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 8:06:41 AM UTC-8, Joey Robinson wrote:
>
> Posted this over on ibob already, but I thought the people here might be 
> interested in these wheels/hubs as well.
>
> For sale is a 700c wheelset with old XTR hubs and unknown rims. Hubs are 
> HB-M900 and FH-M900, I believe from 1992. Bearings are in great shape. 
> Spacing is 100/135 QR. The rims are fairly worn down (see photo) so if you 
> just want to buy this for the hubs, let me know and I'll unlace them and 
> save a boatload on shipping. $100.
>
> Buyer will need to pay shipping from 30318. Price is negotiable so make me 
> an offer if you think I'm asking too much.
>
> Pictures are here: 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1w-XE61viXUdCSxO0a-4RXrmS5ixes8eV
>
> Thanks,
> Joey in Atlanta
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[PaulS]

Better way to measure is the wheelbase. From front axle to rear axle. I’m 
guessing the new one is actually is longer. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Paul thumbie w/ Silver Shifter and adaptor

[Jay Lonner]

It's so funny that you wrote that - I just returned from scrounging through
my parts bin looking for a pair of these myself for an upcoming build.
Luckily I have a brand-new set, which doesn't help you, but does make me
wonder whether Paul's decision to stop making these contributed to the
development of the Silver shifter Mk II. I have a set of the IRDs on
another bike and they just aren't as good as the OG Silver/Sprint.

If I hadn't found these I would have been very tempted to go off in a
different direction and buy a Rohloff hub or something. So 5 minutes of
scrounging just saved me $1,200+! Not a bad morning's work...

Honestly, stuff like this creates a real tension between my desire to go
all Marie Kondo on my parts stash and take back my garage vs. the knowledge
that parts that I really like and depend on could go away at any time,
reinforcing my hoarding impulses.

Good luck in your search!

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 7:30 AM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I want to buy a Paul Thumbie with the Silver Shifter. Paul used to make an
> adaptor to use them, but it's discontinued. I want to run a friction
> shifter on my 9 speed Rivendell.
>
> Anyone holding and not using?? I just want the one shifter and mount.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Michael
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[RBW] FS: 700c wheelset with XTR M900 hubs

[Joey Robinson]

Posted this over on ibob already, but I thought the people here might be 
interested in these wheels/hubs as well.

For sale is a 700c wheelset with old XTR hubs and unknown rims. Hubs are 
HB-M900 and FH-M900, I believe from 1992. Bearings are in great shape. 
Spacing is 100/135 QR. The rims are fairly worn down (see photo) so if you 
just want to buy this for the hubs, let me know and I'll unlace them and 
save a boatload on shipping. $100.

Buyer will need to pay shipping from 30318. Price is negotiable so make me 
an offer if you think I'm asking too much.

Pictures are here: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1w-XE61viXUdCSxO0a-4RXrmS5ixes8eV

Thanks,
Joey in Atlanta

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[Joe Bernard]

Leah may need to get her tape measure out again. I'm thinking the longer 
toptube and chainstays are the result of the seattube getting slacked back a 
bit..I'll bet the bike itself isn't actually longer. 

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[RBW] WTB: Paul thumbie w/ Silver Shifter and adaptor

[Michael Morrissey]

Hi,

I want to buy a Paul Thumbie with the Silver Shifter. Paul used to make an 
adaptor to use them, but it's discontinued. I want to run a friction 
shifter on my 9 speed Rivendell.

Anyone holding and not using?? I just want the one shifter and mount.

Thank you!

Michael

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[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell

[Kevin Mulcahy]

Good reminder. Thanks Bill. It's also that time of the year to order merino 
baselayers. Might as well order them from Riv!

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

[masmojo]

Leah, I had to chuckle at the account of your new purchase.
When I got my Clementine I worried that subsequent interations, would retain 
the bits I liked & the parts I didn't like would be put straight.
Well, the long chain stays don't thrill me & I didn't think they would go away, 
but I didn't think for 1 second that they would be getting LONGER!!??

Guess, I should keep hold of my Clementine (not that I was planning to part 
with it), sounds like they could become much sought after in the future for 
their "short" chainstays.
😂

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