date:20200122

Speaking for myself, I like supporting Rivendell and I have bought from 
them over many years. I currently have two Rivendell frames, a Toyo and an 
MiT. I wish I could have bought more, but I bought what I could afford at 
the time. Inevitably, some of the other frames I was interested in slipped 
by. 

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 7:40:20 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> and the longer you wait the less chance there will be a company to order 
> from. If every person on this list who said “all I want is a X” decided to 
> buy a pre-designed model at the cost it takes to build them then things 
> might be very different. 
>
> Want a 750-1150$ bike? Find a time machine, buy a Crust or a MIT Riv. 
>
> > On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote: 
> > 
> > The longer you wait the higher the price will be. 
> > 
> > BL in EC 
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[RBW] Sizing Bike Friday NWT to replicate 54 cm Hunqapillar

2020-01-22 Thread EWBONSELL

I'm sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I noticed that a number of 
members of this group also own a Bike Friday.

My favorite ride is my 54 CM Hunqapillar.  Unfortunately NJ Transit does 
not allow full size bikes on trains during peak commuting hours, so I need 
to buy a folding bike.  I have decided on Bike Friday and would like to 
dial in the fit as close to my Hunqapillar as possible.  Bike Friday only 
does 73 degree seat tube and head tube angles, so I can't match the 
Hunqapillar's 72 degree angles.  The open question is the top tube length.  
I believe the Hunqapillar has an effective top tube of about 60 cm (nominal 
58+ cm).  Based upon my measurements, Bike Friday is recommending an 
effective top tube length of 54 cm, but I am afraid that will be too 
cramped.  I am inclined to think the top tube should be somewhere between 
56 and 60.  If any one reading this has tried to size a Bike Friday to 
match their Rivendell ride, I would love to hear about it.

Thanks,
Ernie 

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[RBW] WTB: Sim-Work x Nitto So-Bar in Silver or Narrowest Crust Towel Rack in Silver

2020-01-22 Thread 'Justin August' via RBW Owners Bunch

Like the title says.

-J

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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

I love hearing the continuing adventures of E and his breadmaking. It's all so 
adorable and joy bringing! ♥️

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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-22 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

These responses have brought me no small amount of joy today. You are SO fun. I
love the photos (esp. the one with the knife in the head, Drew) and all the
stories. I had no idea how much interest you all have in breads, but I see I am
in good company. My bread is NOT fancy. You can go down the rabbit hole and
learn 357 different tips that will make your bread better. I just do what’s
simple. Mom has a starter her family got from a priest in the 70s, and she
treats hers totally different. She uses flat beer and skim milk to feed her
starter, and her bread is different as a result. It’s really good, but I won’t
keep those ingredients handy just for bread making. But this is very much a
choose your own adventure - go wild!

I got 3 FaceTime calls tonight from E, who was baking his first loaf. I
whooped, “You’re so smart! What did your mother say?” He replied, “She isn’t
home yet; I wanted to surprise her.” Totally overcome, I shrieked, “You
SWEETIE! Does your house smell like fresh bread?” “Kind of,” he said, with a
shy smile.

Man, I love teenagers. Everything is right in my world.

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Re: [RBW] Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

I presume you can get a Roadeo or Saluki (AHH) at those prices because they are 
or were existing production models and they can use the names.

Legolas was only a production frame for a very short time; has been semi-custom 
ever since; and would now be presented as a Rivendell custom on the downtube. I 
don't see any way Riv or Nobilette is going to price that as somehow not a 
custom frame. You're ordering a Mark Cyclocross Custom. 

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Re: [RBW] Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Justin August

If all you care about are the decals then you are probably SOL.

Will a bike with the same design as the Legolas but with a RIVENDELL on the 
downtube ride the same as one with a LEGOLAS?

I’m assuming yes.


> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
> 
> Yes but. it was the last one (of that name) or so I was told. I don't 
> know if you can now get the same frame at the same price. Best to call Riv 
> and order one just to make sure!
> 
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 10:16:29 PM UTC-5, S wrote:
> Have you read the Legolas thread? Group member Brian Campbell got his Legolas 
> last year for $2,700: 
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/HyI-BnNcP3o 
> 
> 
> As Bill Lindsay -- who also bought a Nobilette Legolas for less than the 
> current Rodeo price -- explained: "The price difference is in paying Grant to 
> design a new bike. The Legolas design is done, so it’s much much cheaper than 
> a custom."
> 
> Thus, it's not unreasonable to suppose that you might be able to buy a 
> Saluki, etc, for Rodeo price. Maybe not, I don't know if Riv still has all 
> the lugs needed for the Saluki, but it's confirmed that you can get a Legolas 
> for $2,800 or less. 
> 
> I am with you on the Charlie H. I am waiting to see it before deciding on a 
> semi-custom. 
> 
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 6:21:50 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
> I don’t think anyone should assume they can get a Saluki, Bombadil, or 
> Legolas for $2800. That’s the price for the Nobilette Roadeo. At the very 
> least, I would expect the additional canti braze-one would increase the cost. 
> 
> It will be interesting to see how Rivendell iterates the MIT frames. The 
> longer chainstays and sloped top tubes seem to be somewhat divisive. Maybe 
> the Gallop will be a hint of things to come. 
> 
> John in Hoboken, who’d love to test ride a long chain stay Riv.
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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Brian Campbell

Yes but. it was the last one (of that name) or so I was told. I don't 
know if you can now get the same frame at the same price. Best to call Riv 
and order one just to make sure!

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 10:16:29 PM UTC-5, S wrote:
>
> Have you read the Legolas thread? Group member Brian Campbell got his 
> Legolas last year for $2,700: 
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/HyI-BnNcP3o
>
> As Bill Lindsay -- who also bought a Nobilette Legolas for less than the 
> current Rodeo price -- explained: "The price difference is in paying Grant 
> to design a new bike. The Legolas design is done, so it’s much much cheaper 
> than a custom."
>
> Thus, it's not unreasonable to suppose that you might be able to buy a 
> Saluki, etc, for Rodeo price. Maybe not, I don't know if Riv still has all 
> the lugs needed for the Saluki, but it's confirmed that you can get a 
> Legolas for $2,800 or less. 
>
> I am with you on the Charlie H. I am waiting to see it before deciding on 
> a semi-custom. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 6:21:50 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>>
>> I don’t think anyone should assume they can get a Saluki, Bombadil, or 
>> Legolas for $2800. That’s the price for the Nobilette Roadeo. At the very 
>> least, I would expect the additional canti braze-one would increase the 
>> cost. 
>>
>> It will be interesting to see how Rivendell iterates the MIT frames. The 
>> longer chainstays and sloped top tubes seem to be somewhat divisive. Maybe 
>> the Gallop will be a hint of things to come. 
>>
>> John in Hoboken, who’d love to test ride a long chain stay Riv.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Justin August

and the longer you wait the less chance there will be a company to order from. 
If every person on this list who said “all I want is a X” decided to buy a 
pre-designed model at the cost it takes to build them then things might be very 
different. 

Want a 750-1150$ bike? Find a time machine, buy a Crust or a MIT Riv. 

> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> The longer you wait the higher the price will be. 
> 
> BL in EC
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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Bill Lindsay

The longer you wait the higher the price will be. 

BL in EC

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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Have you read the Legolas thread? Group member Brian Campbell got his 
Legolas last year for $2,700: 

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/HyI-BnNcP3o

As Bill Lindsay -- who also bought a Nobilette Legolas for less than the 
current Rodeo price -- explained: "The price difference is in paying Grant 
to design a new bike. The Legolas design is done, so it’s much much cheaper 
than a custom."

Thus, it's not unreasonable to suppose that you might be able to buy a 
Saluki, etc, for Rodeo price. Maybe not, I don't know if Riv still has all 
the lugs needed for the Saluki, but it's confirmed that you can get a 
Legolas for $2,800 or less. 

I am with you on the Charlie H. I am waiting to see it before deciding on a 
semi-custom. 

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 6:21:50 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> I don’t think anyone should assume they can get a Saluki, Bombadil, or 
> Legolas for $2800. That’s the price for the Nobilette Roadeo. At the very 
> least, I would expect the additional canti braze-one would increase the 
> cost. 
>
> It will be interesting to see how Rivendell iterates the MIT frames. The 
> longer chainstays and sloped top tubes seem to be somewhat divisive. Maybe 
> the Gallop will be a hint of things to come. 
>
> John in Hoboken, who’d love to test ride a long chain stay Riv.

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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-22 Thread Curtis McKenzie

Will,

Wonderful bread creation.  Good to see some cast iron on your stove top!

Curtis
"Who thinks this thread is almost perfect:  bicycles and bread.  Just add
banjos and the universe will align"

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 6:45 PM William deRosset  wrote:

> On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 4:48:29 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
> > And in case you wanted the recipe:
>
> Dear BBDD,
>
> That sourdough recipe is about as non-fussy as it gets.
>
> Last night I jump-started a sourdough starter with commercial yeast.
> I divided it, fed it this morning, and mixed up the dough. I baked it when
> I got home from work.
>
> I don't expect it to have the complexity of a symbiotic wild
> yeast/bacteria culture yet, but it sure baked up nicely.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Best Regards
>
> Will
> William M deRosset
> Fort Collins CO
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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread John G.

I don’t think anyone should assume they can get a Saluki, Bombadil, or Legolas 
for $2800. That’s the price for the Nobilette Roadeo. At the very least, I 
would expect the additional canti braze-one would increase the cost.

It will be interesting to see how Rivendell iterates the MIT frames. The longer 
chainstays and sloped top tubes seem to be somewhat divisive. Maybe the Gallop 
will be a hint of things to come.

John in Hoboken, who’d love to test ride a long chain stay Riv.

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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Karl

Noted Joe!

Karl
Nash, TN

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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Sorry for contributing to that, although interesting that it worked to get 
people's attention . . . . . 

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> For future reference, kids, stunt titling a thread leads to predictable 
> results: People are going to revert to the title in the conversation. 

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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Yes, original Homer had different geometry. And even when the Homer first 
came out, it was available in size 57 and up only, with 700c wheels. I 
don't know if this changed later while still keeping the original 
geometry.  

I, too, would never spend $4,000 on a full custom, but I am intrig by the 
fact that you can get standard sizes of some previous models, eg, the 
Legolas, for $2,800. As I mentioned in the other thread, however, I am 
waiting to see this year's new models before I decide whether to get a 
semi-custom.

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 5:17:16 PM UTC-8, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Nah. Comparable to the previous Homer sure, but the new Homer is quite a 
> different bike.  I am actually disappointed it got the same name with such 
> an overhaul. 
>
> I'm also not going to ever be spending the custom Riv money (nor are many 
> people) but the MIT frames are quite competitive with brands like Crust in 
> price, and I think there's hugely more market share to be had by Rivendell 
> in that range 
>
> On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 17:10:44 UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> The Saluki (I own one) is just a Homer.
>>
>> Buy one. 
>>
>> Or ask to get one with shorter chainstays made. 
>>
>> Put money on it. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

For future reference, kids, stunt titling a thread leads to predictable 
results: People are going to revert to the title in the conversation. 

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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Jason Fuller

Nah. Comparable to the previous Homer sure, but the new Homer is quite a 
different bike.  I am actually disappointed it got the same name with such 
an overhaul. 

I'm also not going to ever be spending the custom Riv money (nor are many 
people) but the MIT frames are quite competitive with brands like Crust in 
price, and I think there's hugely more market share to be had by Rivendell 
in that range 

On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 17:10:44 UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> The Saluki (I own one) is just a Homer.
>
> Buy one. 
>
> Or ask to get one with shorter chainstays made. 
>
> Put money on it. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Justin, Oakland

The Saluki (I own one) is just a Homer.

Buy one. 

Or ask to get one with shorter chainstays made. 

Put money on it. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver2 bar-end with grips

The slice has held steady so far, those grips are pretty thick and hard to 
tear. No squirminess for me, but this is with a bolt-upright riding position on 
an e-assist Clem L..I'm not grabbing those grips very hard. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver2 bar-end with grips

2020-01-22 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY

Pretty. Do you fear that slice might elongate? And is it squirmy where it's 
cut? Some thin cotton bar tape feels good over those rubber grips, and 
would keep it wrangled.
-Kai
 

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>
> First, an update on the new Silver2 shifter: Fabulous! 
>
> But what if you want to use it on a non-droppy-bar with regular mtb grips? 
> Well kids there's a way (as long as it's not hard plastic like Ergons). 
> These are Jones Bikes Kraton H Grips, I used the softer clear version. They 
> come in two lengths for Jones Loop Bars but you'll probably still have to 
> cut the short one down a little bit for Bosco, Alba, Billie, etc., easy 
> peasy with a sharp box cutter. 
>
> I slid it on real fast with rubbing alcohol, then jammed my cable housing 
> through before everything dried up tight in there. Then I sliced a groove 
> at the brake lever end so the housing would drop down as it came past it. 
> As seen in these photos, check it out! 👍 
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[RBW] Re: FS: dyad wheelset & jack brown tires

2020-01-22 Thread Jeffrey B

Tires still available, wheelset sold.

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[RBW] 58cm Boxdog Pelican for sale

2020-01-22 Thread Brett Callahan

650b or 700c? (Sorry, can't tell from the picture and believe some of the early 
models were 700c) 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 Roadini F/F/HS/BB -- Custom Red Paint

2020-01-22 Thread tc

I've removed all components and added a couple of pic's and a vid of the 
F/F/HS/BB.  Same Google Photos folder 
.
I have the Paul Medium Racers for sale in another post 
.

Tom

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[RBW] WTB: Brooks c17 all weather carved

2020-01-22 Thread 'Justin August' via RBW Owners Bunch

I got two c19s earlier and they’re fantastic. Looking to try a c17 just to see 
if I like it better on the roadie. 

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Karl

S,

Bought one in December. Can’t remember the final price, but always wanted one! 
Can barely wait the 6ish months!

Karl
Nash, TN

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice Needed: Tires

2020-01-22 Thread Benjamin L. Kelley

Funny I had the same thing happen, a couple flats in in a couple of days(I
think like 4 in one week) on RH/Compass Stampede Pass' right after moving
from KC to NYC. After that I switched to gatorskins which are the
anti-supple and suck for gripping anything other than flat and dry
pavement.  But I only had 1 flat in 2000km and it was a tiny bit of wire
that worked its way in. These will go away when I finally do my 650b
conversion on the steamroller.
On the Quickbeam I've been running Gravelking SK+ and no issues so far but
only 700km or so on them.

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:50 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I have a hard time suggesting anything other than Rene Herse tires for
> road use when supple & quick are desired.  There are other good options I'm
> sure, but I cannot find a fault in the R.H. tires. At one point I was
> concerned about their puncture protection because I had two flats within a
> week, but it's now been almost two years flat-free.
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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

Agreed. Canti Saluki might be the perfect (lightly loaded) all-around bike? I 
am wondering if the semi-custom deal (Rodeo price) mentioned in the Legolas 
thread would work with the Saluki. 

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[RBW] FS: dyad wheelset & jack brown tires

2020-01-22 Thread Jeffrey B

Wheelset sold

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[RBW] Re: Advice Needed: Tires

2020-01-22 Thread Jason Fuller

I have a hard time suggesting anything other than Rene Herse tires for road 
use when supple & quick are desired.  There are other good options I'm 
sure, but I cannot find a fault in the R.H. tires. At one point I was 
concerned about their puncture protection because I had two flats within a 
week, but it's now been almost two years flat-free.  

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[RBW] Re: Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Jason Fuller

Bringing back the Saluki would be a sure-fire way to get some money out of 
me. :D 

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[RBW] Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Max S

Seems like a nice idea. Just wondering what Riv is to make of this, and whether 
they can effectively classify such certificate purchases as income or future 
liability... I maybe overthinking it, too, but as they say, no good deed goes 
unpunished. 

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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-22 Thread George Schick

You all (y'all for those in the South/SE) are starting to make me hungry 
for something I haven't made for over 35 years or so -  buckwheat pancakes 
topped with sorghum.  I had forgotten all about them.  I think it's time to 
rekindle some old recipes ('course, I'll be the only one who eats 'em :-)


On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1:41:38 PM UTC-6, tuolumne bikes wrote:
>
> White for the pancakes, varies for the bread. I don't mind the bread 
> being denser with whole wheat, but she really wants the voids to come 
> out right. 
>
> #clemtrails 
>
> Carl 
>
> On 1/22/2020 8:31 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: 
> > Mark - also let’s add #clemantics. I love #clemocracy and #imacleminist 
> as well. This is too funny. Hurry up and build your Clem so you can post 
> photos to Instagram and join in with the hashtags. Slim Wonder uses 
> #thatclemlife, also good. Hashtags are great for business - we are gonna 
> grow Rivendell, one Clem at a time. Yesterday on Insta, Utility Bicycle 
> Works posted a photo of what I think is a 2019 green Clem. They had this to 
> say about it (and I’m parsing it for the sake of brevity): “We installed 
> new pads, cables/housing, rear rack, and made slew of adjustments before 
> blowing the bicycle 67 kisses and sending it home...Clems ride soft and 
> nimble, like a jet-ski in a pool of Cool Whip.” I’ve begun to think of 
> Clems as the bread and butter of Rivendell - which may or may not be true. 
> They hit such a sweet spot in the market - nothing has been sacrificed in 
> the way of comfort and practicality, they are still beautiful, and they are 
> less expensive than the fully-lugged models. My husband would have never 
> bought that 2015 Clem had it been the price of a Sam. My son certainly 
> wouldn’t be riding a little Rivendell for the same reason. But because the 
> Clems exist and at such a friendly price, we are practically collecting 
> them. 😬 
> > 
> > Carl - I make sourdough pancakes, too! My recipe is similar to your 
> wife’s, but I’m going to try hers just to see. Does she use whole wheat or 
> white flour? 
> > 
> > Got a FaceTime call from E last night - he had a couple intelligent 
> questions as he was working with his starter. I think his first loaf will 
> be baked today. Man, if that kid gets good at sourdough his mother is going 
> to have to ration him. He’s totally nuts about this bread! 
> > 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Triple

2020-01-22 Thread Brewster Fong


On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 11:04:19 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 1/22/20 1:51 PM, Jack K wrote:
>
> Steve Palincsar wrote in part: 
> *Also, I started out prejudiced against 11 speed: a bad Spinal Tap joke, 1 
> more useless speed provided at the cost of hundred dollar chains and a 
> three hundred dollar chain tool.   *
>
> Steve, if you're paying $100 for a decent 11 speed chain or $300 for a 
> serviceable 11 speed chain tool you really ought to rethink your part and 
> tool suppliers. For reference I just fired up www.jenson.com and found 
> the following apparent bargains on 11 spd chains and chain tools (w/ free 
> shipping on a $60 order):
>
>- SRAM PC-1110 cheapie chains for $14/each: 
>https://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-PC-1110-Powerlock-11SP-Chain 
>- Shimano SLX/105 HG-601 mid-quality chains for $19.99/each: 
>https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-CN-HG601-11-Speed-Chain 
>- Shimano XT/Ultegra HG-701 better-quality chains $26.99/each: 
>https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XtUltegra-CH-HG701-11SP-Chain 
>- Shimano XTR/Dura-Ace HG-901 ultimate-quality chains $34.99/each: 
>https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XtrDura-Ace-CH-HG901-11SP-Chain 
>- Cheapier portable 11spd chain tool $4.90/each: 
>https://www.jensonusa.com/Foundation-325P2-Bike-Chain-Breaker-Tool 
>- Park CT-5 portable chain tool compatible with 5-12 spd chains 
>$16.95/each: 
>https://www.jensonusa.com/Park-Tool-CT-5-Compact-Chain-Tool 
>- Park CT-3.3 shop style chain tool compatible with 5-12 spd chains 
>$36.95/each: 
>https://www.jensonusa.com/Park-Tool-CT-33-5-12-Speed-Chain-Tool 
>
> When you wrote about the $100 11 speed chains and $300 11 speed chain 
> tools did you really think that was accurate or was that intended to be a 
> humorous exaggeration? In any case, stock up now while prices are low!
>
>
> It may be humorous exaggeration now, but when 11 first was introduced, 
> indeed the only choices were hundred dollar chains and a special three 
> hundred dollar Campagnolo chain tool (it was Campagnolo or nothing).  And 
> as the saying goes, you only get one chance to make a first impression.
>
 
In contast, when I built up my DS last year, I went with a Chorus 11 
drivetrain and used a KMC x93 11 speed chain, it  cost around $20-25 and 
has a removable link. In the past, I have used a Campy 9 chain with a sram 
masterlink, it worked fine. So if you like removable links, like I do, just 
get an aftermarket one from Sram, KMC, Wipperman and others. Of course, 
YMMV! Good Luck! 
 

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>
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-22 Thread tuolumnebikes

White for the pancakes, varies for the bread. I don't mind the bread
being denser with whole wheat, but she really wants the voids to come
out right.

#clemtrails

Carl

On 1/22/2020 8:31 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Mark - also let’s add #clemantics. I love #clemocracy and #imacleminist as
well. This is too funny. Hurry up and build your Clem so you can post photos to
Instagram and join in with the hashtags. Slim Wonder uses #thatclemlife, also
good. Hashtags are great for business - we are gonna grow Rivendell, one Clem
at a time. Yesterday on Insta, Utility Bicycle Works posted a photo of what I
think is a 2019 green Clem. They had this to say about it (and I’m parsing it
for the sake of brevity): “We installed new pads, cables/housing, rear rack,
and made slew of adjustments before blowing the bicycle 67 kisses and sending
it home...Clems ride soft and nimble, like a jet-ski in a pool of Cool Whip.”
I’ve begun to think of Clems as the bread and butter of Rivendell - which may
or may not be true. They hit such a sweet spot in the market - nothing has been
sacrificed in the way of comfort and practicality, they are still beautiful,
and they are less expensive than the fully-lugged models. My husband would have
never bought that 2015 Clem had it been the price of a Sam. My son certainly
wouldn’t be riding a little Rivendell for the same reason. But because the
Clems exist and at such a friendly price, we are practically collecting them. 😬

Carl - I make sourdough pancakes, too! My recipe is similar to your wife’s, but
I’m going to try hers just to see. Does she use whole wheat or white flour?

Got a FaceTime call from E last night - he had a couple intelligent questions
as he was working with his starter. I think his first loaf will be baked today.
Man, if that kid gets good at sourdough his mother is going to have to ration
him. He’s totally nuts about this bread!

Re: [RBW] Winter Cleaning Grab-Bag: Bike Stuff, Camera, Electronics, more!

2020-01-22 Thread Shawn Granton

Yellow Bird Society saddlebag support has sold.

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 7:30 PM Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Happy Tuesday, RBW List! It’s time for the never-ending sorting out what I
> need and don’t, and purging the don’t. Check out what I got, get in touch
> if you want.
>
> Important Notes:
>
>- All prices listed DO NOT include shipping. Shipping will be done via
>USPS First-Class, Priority, or Parcel Post, depending. I’ll ship anywhere,
>but you’ll pay a lot if you are outside the US. In the US, the minimum
>shipping price will be $4 and go up from there. The more you buy, the
>better the shipping rate. Please include your Zip Code in the query so I
>can sort shipping prices.
>- Payment can be done via PayPal or Square Ca$h.
>- All photos for items can be found here:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/albums/72157712760193717
>
>
> If you are interested in something or have questions, private message me,
> or email me at urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com and include your zip code.
>
> *Free for postage:*
>
>- Velo Orange “Kraton” basket weave grips.
>- Sony Walkman, WM-FX488. Cassette deck plus four band radio:
>AM/FM/Weather/VHF TV (fwiw). Battery door broken off, you can still power
>it if you rubber band the battery in the compartment. Radio works, don’t
>know about the tape deck.
>
>
> *$5*
>
>- Saddle cover: White with blue bicycles, made by “Hippie Thread”.
>Fits a B17 snugly.
>- Steel lunch box/food tin: Like a Trangia mess tin, except: steel,
>with side-clasps, and made in Thailand. 1-3/4″x6″-1/4×5″
>- Eton Raptor Radio. Emergency radio that is recharged either by solar
>panel or via USB. AM/FM/Weather. Antenna and clip have broken off, but
>radio still works.
>- Johnson fanny pack. Green check, comes with strap. (Came from Rivelo
>"garage sale" awhile back, I believe it was a Riv prototype.)
>
>
> *$10*
>
>- Rustines Constructeur Grips, white rubber. Never mounted/used.
>- Dia-Compe ENE water bottle cage. Stainless steel, has tabs so it can
>be mounted to frames without bosses (mounting equipment NOT included.)
>- Barska 10×25 waterproof binoculars/field glasses. Comes with case.
>- REI Co-op Sit Pad. Self-inflating and insulated, no leaks as far as
>I can tell. 16.5 x 12 x 1.5 in. Packs to 3.5 x 8 in. Comes with packing
>pouch.
>
>
> *$20*
>
>- Velo Orange Leather Saddle. I believe it’s a Model 6
>
> 
>(VO don’t make ’em anymore), a narrow racy saddle that’s trimmed on the
>edges. Please note the “bulge” in the leather near the nose, hence the low
>price.
>- Ideale faux-leather saddle. Nope, not leather, but a coated fabric,
>sort of like the Brooks Cambium but I can’t say for sure. Wider, touring
>style saddle comparable to a B-67/B-68. Wolber stamped on side.
>- Yellow Bird Society saddle bag support. Similar to those made by
>Carradice, but made in Camas, Washington. Mounts to saddle rails via
>included clamp.
>
>
> *$25*
>
>- Nitto Saddlebag Wire Guard. The type sold by Rivendell, mounts to
>seat stays. Prevents saddle bag from rubbing against brake cable (if you
>have cantis, esp.)
>- Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS6 Digital Camera. Nice li’l digital
>point-and-shoot, 12 megapixels. Includes blank SD card, battery, battery
>charger, and case.
>
> Best,
> Shawn
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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Triple

2020-01-22 Thread Steve Palincsar



On 1/22/20 1:51 PM, Jack K wrote:

Steve Palincsar wrote in part:
/Also, I started out prejudiced against 11 speed: a bad Spinal Tap 
joke, 1 more useless speed provided at the cost of hundred dollar 
chains and a three hundred dollar chain tool. /


Steve, if you're paying $100 for a decent 11 speed chain or $300 for a 
serviceable 11 speed chain tool you really ought to rethink your part 
and tool suppliers. For reference I just fired up www.jenson.com and 
found the following apparent bargains on 11 spd chains and chain tools 
(w/ free shipping on a $60 order):


  * SRAM PC-1110 cheapie chains for $14/each:
https://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-PC-1110-Powerlock-11SP-Chain
  * Shimano SLX/105 HG-601 mid-quality chains for $19.99/each:
https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-CN-HG601-11-Speed-Chain
  * Shimano XT/Ultegra HG-701 better-quality chains $26.99/each:
https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XtUltegra-CH-HG701-11SP-Chain
  * Shimano XTR/Dura-Ace HG-901 ultimate-quality chains $34.99/each:
https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XtrDura-Ace-CH-HG901-11SP-Chain
  * Cheapier portable 11spd chain tool $4.90/each:
https://www.jensonusa.com/Foundation-325P2-Bike-Chain-Breaker-Tool
  * Park CT-5 portable chain tool compatible with 5-12 spd chains
$16.95/each:
https://www.jensonusa.com/Park-Tool-CT-5-Compact-Chain-Tool
  * Park CT-3.3 shop style chain tool compatible with 5-12 spd chains
$36.95/each:
https://www.jensonusa.com/Park-Tool-CT-33-5-12-Speed-Chain-Tool

When you wrote about the $100 11 speed chains and $300 11 speed chain 
tools did you really think that was accurate or was that intended to 
be a humorous exaggeration? In any case, stock up now while prices are 
low!



It may be humorous exaggeration now, but when 11 first was introduced, 
indeed the only choices were hundred dollar chains and a special three 
hundred dollar Campagnolo chain tool (it was Campagnolo or nothing).  
And as the saying goes, you only get one chance to make a first impression.


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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Triple

2020-01-22 Thread Jack K

Steve Palincsar wrote in part: 
*Also, I started out prejudiced against 11 speed: a bad Spinal Tap joke, 1 
more useless speed provided at the cost of hundred dollar chains and a 
three hundred dollar chain tool.   *

Steve, if you're paying $100 for a decent 11 speed chain or $300 for a 
serviceable 11 speed chain tool you really ought to rethink your part and 
tool suppliers. For reference I just fired up www.jenson.com and found the 
following apparent bargains on 11 spd chains and chain tools (w/ free 
shipping on a $60 order):

   - SRAM PC-1110 cheapie chains for $14/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-PC-1110-Powerlock-11SP-Chain
   - Shimano SLX/105 HG-601 mid-quality chains for $19.99/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-CN-HG601-11-Speed-Chain
   - Shimano XT/Ultegra HG-701 better-quality chains $26.99/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XtUltegra-CH-HG701-11SP-Chain
   - Shimano XTR/Dura-Ace HG-901 ultimate-quality chains $34.99/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XtrDura-Ace-CH-HG901-11SP-Chain
   - Cheapier portable 11spd chain tool $4.90/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/Foundation-325P2-Bike-Chain-Breaker-Tool
   - Park CT-5 portable chain tool compatible with 5-12 spd chains 
   $16.95/each: https://www.jensonusa.com/Park-Tool-CT-5-Compact-Chain-Tool
   - Park CT-3.3 shop style chain tool compatible with 5-12 spd chains 
   $36.95/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/Park-Tool-CT-33-5-12-Speed-Chain-Tool

When you wrote about the $100 11 speed chains and $300 11 speed chain tools 
did you really think that was accurate or was that intended to be a 
humorous exaggeration? In any case, stock up now while prices are low!

Cheers,

-Jack K.




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[RBW] Winter Cleaning Grab-Bag: Bike Stuff, Camera, Electronics, more!

2020-01-22 Thread Shawn Granton

Hello folks, a quick update:
-Yellow Bird Society support: Sale pending
-Camera, lunch box: Sold
-Everything else still available

-Shawn

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 22:11 Shawn Granton 
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> Hey Brett-
> It's silver.
> And you are third in the queue if you are interested.
> Best,
> Shawn
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>> Shawn, is the saddlebag support from YBS silver or black?
>> Thanks,
>> Brett
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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-22 Thread Pancake

Angry baker on a Clem = #MadClemist
Delivery Clem: #ClemOnTime
Riding up hill: #ClemingGym
Speed dating Clem (or sour): #ClemOn (#CLemon)
Step through loaded with water: #ClemL
Gravel “grinding” step through: #ClemLTool

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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

Utility Bicycle Works is in Kingston, about 45 minutes up the river (and on 
the other side) from Beacon, where I live. Proprietor Bryan used to work at 
the shop in Beacon, but has been on his own now for a couple of years, and 
doing a great job. Worth following on Instagram for fun, down-to-earth 
bicycle related stuff. Seeing that green Clem L (one size up) tempted me to 
drop mine off to have him build it, since I am spending too much time at 
work these days. He is also an RBWOB member. Hi Bryan! (Also a good writer. 
Though "jet ski in a pool of Cool Whip" puts me more in mind of spring 
break than Riv Clems...;^)

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> Yesterday on Insta, Utility Bicycle Works posted a photo of what I think 
> is a 2019 green Clem. They had this to say about it (and I’m parsing it for 
> the sake of brevity): “We installed new pads, cables/housing, rear rack, 
> and made slew of adjustments before blowing the bicycle 67 kisses and 
> sending it home...Clems ride soft and nimble, like a jet-ski in a pool of 
> Cool Whip.” 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-22 Thread R P

Bread and Bikes Make the World Go Round for sure!

FYI, as a reference for all the bread and flour questions floating around
this thread, check it out: http://thebreadlab.wsu.edu/ .
A whole department of people dedicated to research of grains and the use
thereof--delightful and very important.
They nerd out on bread and grains (akin to what happens here about bikes)
so I'd bet they'd have answers to the spelt sourdough and other grain/flour
questions!

Rachel


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> Our eldest is our bread maker and exploring ways to make Weston Price
> breads (soaked grains or sour dough to get rid of breads anti-nutrients et
> al for far better health). One challenge she's run into is spelt flour is
> different from modern wheat, so she's puzzling that out. For those looking
> at me funny (I though he was ketogenic!), yes, I've been ketogenic for over
> a decade. For the last six months I've been testing an intermittent fasting
> (eating in a 1-6 hour window each day) combined with a 24-72 hoyur fast
> weekly. So far so good, and it is tasty to again eat carbs while still
> being fat burning. I still don't eat anything on up to all day rides, and
> my most recent bikepacking trip included cold soaking oats with buckwheat
> and a bit of yoghurt. Amazingly tasty, and very light to carry a weeks
> worth of oats, drawing on me Scottish roots. Grin.
>
> Anyway, any tips you (et al) have for starting and maintaining spelt sour
> dough would be fantastic.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-22 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Our eldest is our bread maker and exploring ways to make Weston Price 
breads (soaked grains or sour dough to get rid of breads anti-nutrients et 
al for far better health). One challenge she's run into is spelt flour is 
different from modern wheat, so she's puzzling that out. For those looking 
at me funny (I though he was ketogenic!), yes, I've been ketogenic for over 
a decade. For the last six months I've been testing an intermittent fasting 
(eating in a 1-6 hour window each day) combined with a 24-72 hoyur fast 
weekly. So far so good, and it is tasty to again eat carbs while still 
being fat burning. I still don't eat anything on up to all day rides, and 
my most recent bikepacking trip included cold soaking oats with buckwheat 
and a bit of yoghurt. Amazingly tasty, and very light to carry a weeks 
worth of oats, drawing on me Scottish roots. Grin. 

Anyway, any tips you (et al) have for starting and maintaining spelt sour 
dough would be fantastic.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA - 1997 All-Rounder on Bay Area CL (not mine)

2020-01-22 Thread iamkeith

Yes, congratulations and please post some pictures that you wouldn't mind me 
copying.  I neglected to save the listing photo, but I at one time assembled a 
collection of images of most (or all?) other known All Rounders in those large 
58-61cm sizes.

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[RBW] How & when & why did you find Rivendell? What was your first bike or part from them?

2020-01-22 Thread Lucky

A bike geek since I was 11 or so, I discovered Bridgestone in 1991 when I went 
shopping for a mountain bike to take to college. Couldn’t swing the MB-1 I 
wanted so I bought a General Pro Shadow. 
In the late ‘90’s I attended Interbike for work and bought an Atlantis. (Still 
have, many miles and incarnations later) Currently sporting an Albatross bar 
because I am older. 
In between I was a BOBlist member and have had a variety of BOBish bikes pass 
through my hands. By the way I did eventually get that MB-1. 
Passing on the Riv/BOB inspired madness to my kid, we’ve built him a 
lovely’90’s Rockhopper all-rounder.

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[RBW] Re: Advice Needed: Tires

2020-01-22 Thread Bryan Kim

With the understanding that the quality of "suppleness" can be somewhat 
personal/subjective, I personally like the ride quality of my Panaracer 
Pasela PT tires, especially for a bike you intend to use from time to time. 
FWIW, I live in the DMV and run the Paselas on my Bridgestone MB-2 for 
rides around the city, on the Capital Crescent Trail, and even on the C&O 
towpath - have not flatted yet and the ride quality has been more than 
sufficient for all three situations. As a bonus, the cost is relatively low 
for these tires.

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 9:25:58 AM UTC-5, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> I want to replace the tires I currently am running on a bike I use only 
> about a quarter of the time.  The bike is a 1990s era Bianchi Axis.  It is 
> currently set up with 700c x 37 Schwalbe Marathons (the original).  I want 
> to go a size larger which I believe the bike will accommodate.  I also want 
> a suppler tire.  I ride mostly in the city, on paved country roads and 
> occasionally on fairly smooth dirt roads.  I've considered Rene Herse 
> Barlow Pass, Continental Contact Speed or Schwalbe G-One Speed.  I'm 
> interest in any views you have on these tires or others you would strongly 
> recommend.  Many thanks.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA 
>

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[RBW] Re: How & when & why did you find Rivendell? What was your first bike or part from them?

2020-01-22 Thread Christopher Murray

Found the Outside magazine article "Lead Us Not Into Titanium" in an Alaskan 
outhouse in 1999. Fast forward to summer 2000 and biking from Seattle, WA to 
Cape Cod, MA. Met a cyclist on an RB-1. It all just clicked and I've never 
looked back. 

Chris 

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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-22 Thread Drew Saunders

As we used to say in my old dorm (where fresh bread was baked 6 
nights/week) "Make Loaf, Not War"!

Sadly, my wife really dislikes sour flavors, especially sourdough, so I may 
not be able to try this. If I knew anyone with a starter, I might borrow 
theirs to see if the result is just a pinch sour. I'll still download and 
save your recipe, thanks!

Drew
'91 RB-1 (long ago sold)
'93 XO-1 (in storage, mostly disassembled)
'99 match-built Road Standard
'06 Quickbeam.

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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>
> And in case you wanted the recipe: 
>
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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-22 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

Carl - I make sourdough pancakes, too! My recipe is similar to your wife’s, but
I’m going to try hers just to see. Does she use whole wheat or white flour?

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[RBW] Re: Evolution of Riv SS Designs?

2020-01-22 Thread Carla Waugh

I'm looking forward to this potential new frame!

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[RBW] Legolas, Bombadil, Saluki

2020-01-22 Thread Karl

Now that I have your attention just kidding. I have had a thought
rolling around in my head for some time now, and Grant's latest blog post
about December has pushed me to act. I love all of y'all. I gave up social
media a couple of years ago (someone else does social media for me...wow!
it's amazing) as I seek to find more authentic interactions and friends in
this life. We are an amazing community. We celebrate when others have wins.
We mourn when others go through tough patches in life. We bless others when
we have too much. We also are brave enough to be on the receiving end of
those things when life throws us curves. This is what any community in the
world longs to be. Our "sun" if you would is the beautiful company sitting
outside downtown Walnut Creek who thousands pass every day and have no clue
of the world changing little company tucked in among all of the auto repair
shops. Rivendell and it's people are why we found each other. I am forever
grateful for that, and for each and every one of you.

I could go on, but that brings me to my proposal. I am just as guilty of
buying many things from others who have them for sale including bikes,
frames, and many other parts. What if we offered up a "thank you" every
time we made a transaction in our little community? Just on the honor
system, and just to say thank you for bringing us together. I am going to
begin buying Rivendell gift certificates in the amount of 10% of my sales
or purchases on the list that I will never use. Now, this will not be that
much on a normal basis, but as a small business owner, there are times when
an extra $100 per week helps tremendously. I believe even if we buy
something from Rivendell every time we buy and sell on our little list, we
could make a difference and also allow Grant, Vince, Corey, Will, Mark, and
all of those fine folks know how much they are appreciated, valued, and
loved.

Thank you for reading my little thoughts. I am grateful for all of you and
the way you bless and warm my life.

Karl
Nash, TN

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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

#clematics  Not to be confused with #clemaddicts  Okay, sorry. Off to do 
some anagrams...

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 7:28:36 AM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> #clemocracy... The constitution? Just Ride! (Although it could be argued a 
> bit too close to kleptocracy for comfort...)
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 7:13:57 AM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>> #betterlivingthroughclemistry -- Get outtatown, too funny!  First it was 
>> rock bands, then website urls, then beers. Now coming up with catchy 
>> hashtags is the nomenclature game all the cool kids are playing! Got one! 
>> #ohmydarlinclemL! Wait. No. #clemup? #clemsmithjrforpresident? 
>> #imacleminist? #rockonwithclemology! #icouldahadaclemdough! #nomenclemture
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 8:26:37 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> Gah, Philip, we’d be 400 pounds and diabetic if we did that. I do not 
>>> know how the settlers brought their starter along, but I know they slept 
>>> with it at night to keep it warm. There’s a guy somewhere in the PNW who 
>>> died many years ago, but his starter lives on. He used to have a mail-order 
>>> starter club. He’d send you his starter in the mail! His friends have kept 
>>> it alive and distribute it out for nothing but the cost of shipping, just 
>>> as he did. 
>>>
>>> I bake bread twice per week. 
>>>
>>> Joe - #clemsaregems is totally my hashtag and you know it. 
>>>
>>> PS I decided we can grow Rivendell one Clem at a time. I just need some 
>>> really exciting hashtags. So far I have: #clemsaregems and 
>>> #betterlivingthroughclemistry... 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>>
>>> > On Jan 21, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Philip Williamson  
>>> wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > That’s awesome! Shame the school can’t provide a vegetarian cheese 
>>> sandwich or something on Hamburger Day. 
>>> > 
>>> > How often do you bake bread? It looks from the recipe like the starter 
>>> rhythm could work without discarding any if you baked twice a day? Or no? 
>>> > 
>>> > I’m not suggesting we SHOULD, just imagining how the people-and-yeast 
>>> symbiosis might have worked a few generations ago. 
>>> > 
>>> > Philip who doesn’t need another hobby 
>>> > Santa Rosa, CA 
>>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

#clemocracy... The constitution? Just Ride! (Although it could be argued a 
bit too close to kleptocracy for comfort...)

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 7:13:57 AM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> #betterlivingthroughclemistry -- Get outtatown, too funny!  First it was 
> rock bands, then website urls, then beers. Now coming up with catchy 
> hashtags is the nomenclature game all the cool kids are playing! Got one! 
> #ohmydarlinclemL! Wait. No. #clemup? #clemsmithjrforpresident? 
> #imacleminist? #rockonwithclemology! #icouldahadaclemdough! #nomenclemture
>
> On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 8:26:37 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> Gah, Philip, we’d be 400 pounds and diabetic if we did that. I do not 
>> know how the settlers brought their starter along, but I know they slept 
>> with it at night to keep it warm. There’s a guy somewhere in the PNW who 
>> died many years ago, but his starter lives on. He used to have a mail-order 
>> starter club. He’d send you his starter in the mail! His friends have kept 
>> it alive and distribute it out for nothing but the cost of shipping, just 
>> as he did. 
>>
>> I bake bread twice per week. 
>>
>> Joe - #clemsaregems is totally my hashtag and you know it. 
>>
>> PS I decided we can grow Rivendell one Clem at a time. I just need some 
>> really exciting hashtags. So far I have: #clemsaregems and 
>> #betterlivingthroughclemistry... 
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad 
>>
>> > On Jan 21, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Philip Williamson  
>> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > That’s awesome! Shame the school can’t provide a vegetarian cheese 
>> sandwich or something on Hamburger Day. 
>> > 
>> > How often do you bake bread? It looks from the recipe like the starter 
>> rhythm could work without discarding any if you baked twice a day? Or no? 
>> > 
>> > I’m not suggesting we SHOULD, just imagining how the people-and-yeast 
>> symbiosis might have worked a few generations ago. 
>> > 
>> > Philip who doesn’t need another hobby 
>> > Santa Rosa, CA 
>> > 
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