Re: [RBW] Re: PSA - 1997 All-Rounder on Bay Area CL (not mine)

2020-01-23 Thread Steven Sweedler 
Carl, what is the seat height in the photos. Thanks, Steve

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:44 AM tuolumne bikes 
wrote:

> Here are a few from a ride today to try it with weight on the front--less
> than 10 pounds. More photos on Instagram @tuolumnebikes. Still a lot of
> changes in store.
>
> I'm too short torso for the drop bars that came on it. The Albastache bars
> came in a box with the bike. I like the reach and hand positioning, but...
>
> Don't want the brakes at the most forward position if I need to shift
> weight back to descend sketchy downhills.
> Don't really like the chance of having the cable end pop out of the lever
> when releasing the straddle cable for flats etc. Fine in my garage; sucks
> on the side of the road.
>
> Will probably switch to dirtdrop stem with northroadish bar. This will
> also reduce the "stork" look on the stem. May put the Albastache set up on
> my road bike with a longer stem extension (68/55 frame).
>
> The bike rides nice with weight on front. Less twitchy and no wobbles.
>
> Let me know if you want cleaner photos--I can do some leaning on the
> garage door.
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 8:46:42 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> Yes, congratulations and please post some pictures that you wouldn't mind
>> me copying.  I neglected to save the listing photo, but I at one time
>> assembled a collection of images of most (or all?) other known All Rounders
>> in those large 58-61cm sizes.
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Re: [RBW] Winter Cleaning Grab-Bag: Bike Stuff, Camera, Electronics, more!

2020-01-23 Thread Shawn Granton 
Nitto Saddle Bag Wire Guard has sold.

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:33 AM Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yellow Bird Society saddlebag support has sold.
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 7:30 PM Shawn Granton <
> urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Happy Tuesday, RBW List! It’s time for the never-ending sorting out what
>> I need and don’t, and purging the don’t. Check out what I got, get in touch
>> if you want.
>>
>> Important Notes:
>>
>>- All prices listed DO NOT include shipping. Shipping will be done
>>via USPS First-Class, Priority, or Parcel Post, depending. I’ll ship
>>anywhere, but you’ll pay a lot if you are outside the US. In the US, the
>>minimum shipping price will be $4 and go up from there. The more you buy,
>>the better the shipping rate. Please include your Zip Code in the query so
>>I can sort shipping prices.
>>- Payment can be done via PayPal or Square Ca$h.
>>- All photos for items can be found here:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/albums/72157712760193717
>>
>>
>> If you are interested in something or have questions, private message me,
>> or email me at urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com and include your zip code.
>>
>> *Free for postage:*
>>
>>- Velo Orange “Kraton” basket weave grips.
>>- Sony Walkman, WM-FX488. Cassette deck plus four band radio:
>>AM/FM/Weather/VHF TV (fwiw). Battery door broken off, you can still power
>>it if you rubber band the battery in the compartment. Radio works, don’t
>>know about the tape deck.
>>
>>
>> *$5*
>>
>>- Saddle cover: White with blue bicycles, made by “Hippie Thread”.
>>Fits a B17 snugly.
>>- Steel lunch box/food tin: Like a Trangia mess tin, except: steel,
>>with side-clasps, and made in Thailand. 1-3/4″x6″-1/4×5″
>>- Eton Raptor Radio. Emergency radio that is recharged either by
>>solar panel or via USB. AM/FM/Weather. Antenna and clip have broken off,
>>but radio still works.
>>- Johnson fanny pack. Green check, comes with strap. (Came from
>>Rivelo "garage sale" awhile back, I believe it was a Riv prototype.)
>>
>>
>> *$10*
>>
>>- Rustines Constructeur Grips, white rubber. Never mounted/used.
>>- Dia-Compe ENE water bottle cage. Stainless steel, has tabs so it
>>can be mounted to frames without bosses (mounting equipment NOT included.)
>>- Barska 10×25 waterproof binoculars/field glasses. Comes with case.
>>- REI Co-op Sit Pad. Self-inflating and insulated, no leaks as far as
>>I can tell. 16.5 x 12 x 1.5 in. Packs to 3.5 x 8 in. Comes with packing
>>pouch.
>>
>>
>> *$20*
>>
>>- Velo Orange Leather Saddle. I believe it’s a Model 6
>>
>> 
>>(VO don’t make ’em anymore), a narrow racy saddle that’s trimmed on the
>>edges. Please note the “bulge” in the leather near the nose, hence the low
>>price.
>>- Ideale faux-leather saddle. Nope, not leather, but a coated fabric,
>>sort of like the Brooks Cambium but I can’t say for sure. Wider, touring
>>style saddle comparable to a B-67/B-68. Wolber stamped on side.
>>- Yellow Bird Society saddle bag support. Similar to those made by
>>Carradice, but made in Camas, Washington. Mounts to saddle rails via
>>included clamp.
>>
>>
>> *$25*
>>
>>- Nitto Saddlebag Wire Guard. The type sold by Rivendell, mounts to
>>seat stays. Prevents saddle bag from rubbing against brake cable (if you
>>have cantis, esp.)
>>- Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS6 Digital Camera. Nice li’l digital
>>point-and-shoot, 12 megapixels. Includes blank SD card, battery, battery
>>charger, and case.
>>
>> Best,
>> Shawn
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[RBW] Re: Legolas Mystique: If Riv offered a limited time only, prepaid Legolas run, would you buy one?

2020-01-23 Thread S 
In case anyone else here is interested, I asked Riv and you can indeed 
still order a Legolas (without the name) in a standard size for less than 
full custom price. It is also possible to order other retired frames, eg, 
the Saluki. 

On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 5:01:14 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> What's the big deal?  I have never ridden one of these unicorns, but wow, 
> they seem to be more popular than Rodeo.  So, I'm really intrigued.  Is it 
> simply that you can't get them any longer (or only by special order at 
> custom prices) -- so it's appealing because you can't easily get one?  
> Could someone explain the use and appeal of these things?
>
> From what I've been able to piece together, they are supreme cross bikes.  
> So, they're good at a lot of things.  Kinda like the Kona Jake when it came 
> out.  
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Edwin W 
My advice: put it at the safe height and ride it for a month. If you don’t get 
used to it, well your month wasn’t perfect, but a month is a short time in 
life, I hope! Then you will really know you need a taller one!
Good luck!

Edwin, who doesn’t like to change cockpits more than every couple thousand 
miles. 

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Triple

2020-01-23 Thread Steve Palincsar 
As I may have indicated in this discussion, I used the Herse triple with 
non-ramped and pinned rings for 1,000 miles before the experiment.  
Shifting was fine.  Better than I'd ever experienced with any Shimano 
ramped and pinned rings. Good enough I really did not believe any 
meaningful improvement was possible.


And then I tried the Herse ramped and pinned ring, and I was simply 
astonished.


On 1/23/20 9:52 PM, John Rinker wrote:
Thanks Jeremy. I appreciate the input from your experience. I guess my 
question now is how critical the ramps and pins will be to smooth 
shifting with this range of rings and a triple derailleur. That's the 
beauty of tinkering with bikes- experiment and iterate.


Cheers,
John

On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 2:43:15 AM UTC+5:45, Jeremy Till wrote:

As Steve's experience suggests, I think that 48-36-24 is close
enough to the chainring gaps on "standard" triple cranks that you
should have no problem running a road or mountain triple. I run
exactly those chainrings on a Sugino XD crank on my Rambouillet,
and it shifts perfectly with a 10-spd era Shimano 105 triple front
derailleur (FD-5603, I think) and Dura-Ace bar end shifter
(friction).

I have another Sugino XD triple with a "half-step + granny" setup,
so 46-42-26, on my Long Haul Trucker. When I first switched to
those rings I tried a standard triple front derailleur but didn't
even take it out of the stand. In the middle chainring especially,
the chainring just didn't match up with where their derailleur
expected the chain to be, and there was excessive rubbing. I
switched to a double front derailleur and that setup has served me
well, most optimally with an older Shimano 600 double front
derailleur with a wide cage and flat plates.

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 11:21:19 PM UTC-8, John Rinker
wrote:

Thank you Steve. First, that's a beautiful bicycle. Wow! Lemme
know when you're ready to trade it in ;).

I appreciate you sharing your experience, and I'm sure it will
help me move forward. Right now I'm running 9-speeds with a
Deore rear derailleur and an older XT front triple. I may just
try it out with this and keep your suggestion of the Tiagra
triple for future reference. I'm assuming the Rene Herse
chainrings are not ramped and pinned.

Cheers,
John


On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:37:45 PM UTC+5:45, Steve
Palincsar wrote:

My JP Weigle has a Herse triple.  10 speeds: SRAM PG1070
12-32 cassette, 24/34/36 crankset, bar end shifters and a
Deore XT rear derailleur.

Initially it was built with a Campagnolo double front
derailleur that only reluctantly and unreliably shifted to
the inner ring, which was then replaced with a Tiagra double.

That was OK, and then after a thousand miles (to establish
a baseline for comparison purposes) I took part in an
experiment for BQ, replacing the outer 46T ring with a
ramped and pinned 11 spd 46T outer ring.

I didn't have high expectations of the ramped and pinned
ring. I've ridden tens of thousands of miles on Shimano
XTR M900 triples with ramped and pinned SG and SGX rings,
and although they shift just fine, I found no magic in the
ramps and pins, and the Herse triple shifted better than
all the XTR M900s.

Also, I started out prejudiced against 11 speed: a bad
Spinal Tap joke, 1 more useless speed provided at the cost
of hundred dollar chains and a three hundred dollar chain
tool.

On the other hand, this was Jan Heine's idea and he's been
right so often in the past flying in the face of
conventional wisdom that anything he suggests
automatically gets the benefit of my doubt -- even an
11-speed ramped and pinned chain ring.

No idea what they did, but once the shop replaced the
outer ring the Tiagra double no longer would shift to the
inner ring at all.  I tried adjusting the yaw and then it
would shift briskly to the inner ring but no longer was
reliable on the two outermost rings: sometimes it would
spontaneously shift from the 46T outer to the 34 inner,
and every single rear shift required trimming to avoid
rubbing.

They tried various adjustments and cage bending tricks for
an hour while I watched, all to no avail.  Whatever
happened when they replaced the outer ring certainly
screwed up that Tiagra double.

They replaced it with a *Tiagra FD4603F triple*.  This
derailleur appears to be made for

[RBW] Re: FS Items - DA 7402 crank, XTR M900 hubs, Ambrosio rims, etc

2020-01-23 Thread Mike Godwin 
Thank you RoBs.

Everything except the rims are claimed or pending. I reached my sewing 
machine repair bill goal and a little more.

Mike 

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:57:23 PM UTC-8, Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hello 
>
> List of remaining items I cross posted to ibob list, pdf compilation of 
> parts photos.  Custom Spectrum fork, IIRC same price that I paid Dr Jim 
> "Suntour Jim" Bailey last year.  See pdf for item photos. Please email me 
> if you would like to see the higher resolution source photos. As always 
> make an offer if the price seems too high. 
>
> Campy high flange hubs, 36 hole, CPSC Campy skewers, very smooth, laced 
> once on tubular rims, barely ridden   100 shipped
>
>  
>
> Dura Ace 7402/130 bcd/170 mm arms. Taper and threads in really good 
> condition   45 shipped
>
>  
>
> Shimano 105 FD-5700 front derailleur.   Include with crankset or 10 
> shipped. 
>  
> 1” threadless Spectrum custom fork, Spectrum dropouts, Henry James crown, 
> drop out eyelets, 5mm threaded boss under fork crown, drilled for recessed 
> brake. Comes with Chris King 1" - 9/8" headset bits.  941 grams; 26.8 crown 
> race (as measured with mechanical caliper); 356 mm axle to brake mount; 325 
> mm steer tube; 55 mm rake. Geometric trail on Lemond Zurich is 38 mm (74 
> HA) running 650b wheels.  44.5 mm wide at center of 700x32 tire.  Looks 
> like it would easily fit a 32 mm tire with fenders, 38 mm without. 140 
> shipped.  
>
> Nitto straight rack stays 12 cm, Blackburn stainless rack stays.15 
> shipped for all four. 
>
> XTR M900 hubset. Used. 125 g front/372 g rear.  32 hole, very smooth.   60 
> shipped
>
>  
> 1 pair, Ambrosio Evolution rims, used. 32 hole, double eyelet, box 
> section, welded joint, straight and round. Machined brake surfaces in great 
> condition. About 525 g each. 13.5 mm internal width / 19 mm external width.   
> 40 shipped
>
> Mike SLO CA
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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Triple

2020-01-23 Thread John Rinker 
Thanks Jeremy. I appreciate the input from your experience. I guess my 
question now is how critical the ramps and pins will be to smooth shifting 
with this range of rings and a triple derailleur. That's the beauty of 
tinkering with bikes- experiment and iterate. 

Cheers,
John

On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 2:43:15 AM UTC+5:45, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> As Steve's experience suggests, I think that 48-36-24 is close enough to 
> the chainring gaps on "standard" triple cranks that you should have no 
> problem running a road or mountain triple. I run exactly those chainrings 
> on a Sugino XD crank on my Rambouillet, and it shifts perfectly with a 
> 10-spd era Shimano 105 triple front derailleur (FD-5603, I think) and 
> Dura-Ace bar end shifter (friction). 
>
> I have another Sugino XD triple with a "half-step + granny" setup, so 
> 46-42-26, on my Long Haul Trucker. When I first switched to those rings I 
> tried a standard triple front derailleur but didn't even take it out of the 
> stand. In the middle chainring especially, the chainring just didn't match 
> up with where their derailleur expected the chain to be, and there was 
> excessive rubbing. I switched to a double front derailleur and that setup 
> has served me well, most optimally with an older Shimano 600 double front 
> derailleur with a wide cage and flat plates.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 11:21:19 PM UTC-8, John Rinker wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Steve. First, that's a beautiful bicycle. Wow! Lemme know when 
>> you're ready to trade it in ;).
>>
>> I appreciate you sharing your experience, and I'm sure it will help me 
>> move forward. Right now I'm running 9-speeds with a Deore rear derailleur 
>> and an older XT front triple. I may just try it out with this and keep your 
>> suggestion of the Tiagra triple for future reference. I'm assuming the Rene 
>> Herse chainrings are not ramped and pinned.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:37:45 PM UTC+5:45, Steve Palincsar 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My JP Weigle has a Herse triple.  10 speeds: SRAM PG1070 12-32 cassette, 
>>> 24/34/36 crankset, bar end shifters and a Deore XT rear derailleur.
>>>
>>> Initially it was built with a Campagnolo double front derailleur that 
>>> only reluctantly and unreliably shifted to the inner ring, which was then 
>>> replaced with a Tiagra double.  
>>>
>>> That was OK, and then after a thousand miles (to establish a baseline 
>>> for comparison purposes) I took part in an experiment for BQ, replacing the 
>>> outer 46T ring with a ramped and pinned 11 spd 46T outer ring.  
>>>
>>> I didn't have high expectations of the ramped and pinned ring. I've 
>>> ridden tens of thousands of miles on Shimano XTR M900 triples with ramped 
>>> and pinned SG and SGX rings, and although they shift just fine, I found no 
>>> magic in the ramps and pins, and the Herse triple shifted better than all 
>>> the XTR M900s.  
>>>
>>> Also, I started out prejudiced against 11 speed: a bad Spinal Tap joke, 
>>> 1 more useless speed provided at the cost of hundred dollar chains and a 
>>> three hundred dollar chain tool.   
>>>
>>> On the other hand, this was Jan Heine's idea and he's been right so 
>>> often in the past flying in the face of conventional wisdom that anything 
>>> he suggests automatically gets the benefit of my doubt -- even an 11-speed 
>>> ramped and pinned chain ring. 
>>>
>>> No idea what they did, but once the shop replaced the outer ring the 
>>> Tiagra double no longer would shift to the inner ring at all.  I tried 
>>> adjusting the yaw and then it would shift briskly to the inner ring but no 
>>> longer was reliable on the two outermost rings: sometimes it would 
>>> spontaneously shift from the 46T outer to the 34 inner, and every single 
>>> rear shift required trimming to avoid rubbing.
>>>
>>> They tried various adjustments and cage bending tricks for an hour while 
>>> I watched, all to no avail.  Whatever happened when they replaced the outer 
>>> ring certainly screwed up that Tiagra double.
>>>
>>> They replaced it with a *Tiagra FD4603F triple*.  This derailleur 
>>> appears to be made for compact-sized chain rings.  The specification sheet 
>>> says it's for a front chain ring difference of 20 teeth or less and a 
>>> minimum difference of 11T between the middle and outer chain rings - a 
>>> perfect match for my  setup.  And what a difference it made!
>>>
>>> Shifting was now perfect to all chain rings, and better than anything I 
>>> have ever experienced before in 48 years of using triples.  Astounding.  
>>> Amazing.  Incredible.  
>>>
>>> Basically, friction shifting in front has in my experience always been 
>>> some kind of variation on "The Old Bump and Grind."  The original Herse 46 
>>> and 34 shift was very nice -- indeed, I was very doubtful the ramped and 
>>> pinned 46T ring would make any difference, since with the original outer 
>>> ring shifting was as good as, if

Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Leah Peterson 
I’m really looking forward to hearing how it turns out for you! We’ll make sure 
to put our heads together on this thread when we’ve both got our new stems. And 
like I said earlier, you can get yours from Rivendell if you like!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2020, at 5:45 PM, aeroperf  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> And thank you for this thread.  My Homer's stem looked exactly like Leah's 
> photo, and I just ordered the longer one from Soma.
> The 51 frame is too small and I may yet get a different one, but at least now 
> I'll be able to ride without destroying the steerer tube.
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[RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread aeroperf 

And thank you for this thread.  My Homer's stem looked exactly like Leah's 
photo, and I just ordered the longer one from Soma.
The 51 frame is too small and I may yet get a different one, but at least 
now I'll be able to ride without destroying the steerer tube.

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[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-23 Thread aeroperf 

They wear funny outfits and speak with funny accents, but the frame builder 
knows his stuff and this is worth 17 minutes of your time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTtC4Rq_ScM


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[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-23 Thread Joe Bernard 
Dats a long bike!!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Joe Bernard 
I think you should get the tall stem that SOMA was offering. Ok I know you've 
already decided this, but I wanted to give my advice, too! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread masmojo 
Maybe you could just get your Clementine repainted!?

Might be cheaper/easier!

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Leah Peterson 
You may well be right, Mas. 

I called Rivendell and I asked about the Nitto 280 mm quill. They had never 
heard of it so I sent them Soma’s link. Riv’s newsletter today told of a hefty 
bill they have coming so I asked if Rivendell could get this stem and take my 
order, and does it even help. They can! It does! 

So, I guess I’m going to spring for this ridiculously expensive stem and see if 
I can finally put #stemsonclems to rest.

It isn’t like my fit is so off on this bike - it’s just that every single time 
I ride it I think, I wish I could sit back a little. If these bars were just a 
bit higher I’d have no tension in my arms. I can get them there if I ignore the 
perils of the Max Height Line, but you all have scared me out of doing THAT. 
It’s close - it really is, and maybe I’m poised to make my situation worse in 
this pursuit of perfection. 

I know that perfect is the sworn enemy of good. Or however that saying goes - 
you know what I mean.

I guess we’ll see. Thanks for all the help!
Leah

Sent from my iPad

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> Leah, I think you are more or less at the limit; could you get the bars 
> higher or closer? Yeah, but reasonably how much difference would it make & at 
> what cost.
> 
> Honestly, I think you'll get a more effective upper body workout with the 
> bars lower and pushing & pulling the bars towards and away from you with your 
> body more or less over the bars. 
> 
> Did that make sense?
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Brooks c17 all weather carved

2020-01-23 Thread masmojo 
Maybe you two could swap!?

Personally, I've found for me the normal C-17 Allweather more comfortable than 
the carved. Not sure why; maybe they beef up the carved to compensate for the 
hole?

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[RBW] Re: Can we talk about long wheelbases?

2020-01-23 Thread masmojo 
I can't imagine having a large!?


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread masmojo 
Leah, I think you are more or less at the limit; could you get the bars higher 
or closer? Yeah, but reasonably how much difference would it make & at what 
cost.

Honestly, I think you'll get a more effective upper body workout with the bars 
lower and pushing & pulling the bars towards and away from you with your body 
more or less over the bars. 

Did that make sense?

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[RBW] Silver2 shifters on non-Riv mounts

2020-01-23 Thread dougP 
Grant points out in his latest blog:

"They fasten together fine, the angle of the exit-housing is right on, but 
the cable groove in the lever sits obviously outboard of the cable hole in 
the mount, so there's cable rubbing on aluminum, extra friction, and 
so--bummer."  NOTE: This is on Microshift mounts.  He makes a good point 
that a little rubbing of the cable on the aluminum is no big deal.  

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/2nd-of-2020

Not sure if it qualifies as a bummer but glad he pointed it out.  I tried 
mounting on Paul's Thumbie mounts & had the same result.  Since I plan to 
get Rivendell's mounts when they show up (soon?), I just left well enough 
alone for now.  I didn't want to build everything up, only to tear it apart 
again when the real mounts arrive.  

Anyone else tinkered around with the Silvers on any other mounts?

dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread tc 
Keep in mind that swapping out your current 5cm stem for an Analog 
"Tanglefoort w(Right)" 0cm stem I mentioned above gets the bars 2" closer 
to you.  So, you might not need your bar any higher at that point.  The 
w(Right) stem has a 225mm shaft height, so, though I'm not sure of its max 
height line (you should ask them how high it can safely go), you could 
hopefully get them up at least as high as your current stem.  I don't think 
there's another option for you stem-wise...I mean, 0mm is pretty much the 
shortest :)

Now, handlebar-wise, you DO have more options to get your grip higher than 
even a Bosco.  Search for "Cruiser" handlebars.  Nitto, Wald, Trek/Electra, 
Sunlite, and other companies make a wide variety of "sit up and beg" bars.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread David B 
Using this stem comparison tool: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php
The Dirt Drop would be 25mm taller than the Tallux at maximum heights, 
however it'd have ~15mm reach than the Tallux when raised to the 
appropriate position.


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> The 8cm DirtDrop has 186mm rise above the Max Height line. I don't believe 
> this will give her any more height than her Tallux. 

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[RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Alternatively, lower your saddle to raise your bars. You may well be 
surprised. My experience is this:

When doing full squats, the most powerful, sustainable push is mid-squat. 
Very few people have their saddle height set so their pedal stroke matches 
the middle third of a squat, yet this is the most efficient and powerful 
way to position the saddle: so the down stroke begins at a 1/3rd squat and 
the bottom of the stroke is at a 2/3rds squat.

With abandon,
Patrick  

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread lconley 
Soma evidently has the 280 length, 50 extension, 25.4 diameter in stock - 
over 2 extra inches of height! I vote go for that. 

Laing

On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 4:33:39 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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> Maybe I’m being unreasonable. If they don’t really make stems this high 
> and we know my bike already has a high head tube, maybe it’s not you it’s 
> me, you know? 
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> believe this will give her any more height than her Tallux. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Leah Peterson 
Maybe I’m being unreasonable. If they don’t really make stems this high and we 
know my bike already has a high head tube, maybe it’s not you it’s me, you know?

Sent from my iPhone

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> The 8cm DirtDrop has 186mm rise above the Max Height line. I don't believe 
> this will give her any more height than her Tallux. 
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[RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Joe Bernard 
The 8cm DirtDrop has 186mm rise above the Max Height line. I don't believe this 
will give her any more height than her Tallux. 

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[RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 10:21:11 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote:
>
> The fork steerer tube is weakest at the threads, When you go above the 
> minimum insertion line of the stem, you run the risk of the expander at the 
> bottom of the stem putting pressure on the weaker threaded part of the stem 
> instead of the stronger smooth part of the stem. The steerer tube could 
> then break at the threaded section and the handlebars and stem would no 
> longer be able to steer the bike. Also, if you the lifted the bike, the 
> fork might drop out of the frame. Never seen it happen, but those are the 
> dangers.
>

I just want to add that since there's a small stack of spacers between the 
two threaded pieces, there's a higher chance the expander will be on the 
threads. Nevertheless, I'm not a big proponent of going nuts on that 
expander bolt, simply because it only needs to be tight enough to not slip. 
Furthermore, in a crash, I'll want the stem to slip anyway.

Leah, since you're already using a tall stem with a 50mm extension, perhaps 
you should consider a dirt drop stem. These tend to have a long quill, and 
have taller effective height with shorter effective reach through that 
up-jutting design.

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Triple

2020-01-23 Thread Jeremy Till 
As Steve's experience suggests, I think that 48-36-24 is close enough to 
the chainring gaps on "standard" triple cranks that you should have no 
problem running a road or mountain triple. I run exactly those chainrings 
on a Sugino XD crank on my Rambouillet, and it shifts perfectly with a 
10-spd era Shimano 105 triple front derailleur (FD-5603, I think) and 
Dura-Ace bar end shifter (friction). 

I have another Sugino XD triple with a "half-step + granny" setup, so 
46-42-26, on my Long Haul Trucker. When I first switched to those rings I 
tried a standard triple front derailleur but didn't even take it out of the 
stand. In the middle chainring especially, the chainring just didn't match 
up with where their derailleur expected the chain to be, and there was 
excessive rubbing. I switched to a double front derailleur and that setup 
has served me well, most optimally with an older Shimano 600 double front 
derailleur with a wide cage and flat plates.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 11:21:19 PM UTC-8, John Rinker wrote:
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> Thank you Steve. First, that's a beautiful bicycle. Wow! Lemme know when 
> you're ready to trade it in ;).
>
> I appreciate you sharing your experience, and I'm sure it will help me 
> move forward. Right now I'm running 9-speeds with a Deore rear derailleur 
> and an older XT front triple. I may just try it out with this and keep your 
> suggestion of the Tiagra triple for future reference. I'm assuming the Rene 
> Herse chainrings are not ramped and pinned.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:37:45 PM UTC+5:45, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:
>>
>> My JP Weigle has a Herse triple.  10 speeds: SRAM PG1070 12-32 cassette, 
>> 24/34/36 crankset, bar end shifters and a Deore XT rear derailleur.
>>
>> Initially it was built with a Campagnolo double front derailleur that 
>> only reluctantly and unreliably shifted to the inner ring, which was then 
>> replaced with a Tiagra double.  
>>
>> That was OK, and then after a thousand miles (to establish a baseline for 
>> comparison purposes) I took part in an experiment for BQ, replacing the 
>> outer 46T ring with a ramped and pinned 11 spd 46T outer ring.  
>>
>> I didn't have high expectations of the ramped and pinned ring. I've 
>> ridden tens of thousands of miles on Shimano XTR M900 triples with ramped 
>> and pinned SG and SGX rings, and although they shift just fine, I found no 
>> magic in the ramps and pins, and the Herse triple shifted better than all 
>> the XTR M900s.  
>>
>> Also, I started out prejudiced against 11 speed: a bad Spinal Tap joke, 1 
>> more useless speed provided at the cost of hundred dollar chains and a 
>> three hundred dollar chain tool.   
>>
>> On the other hand, this was Jan Heine's idea and he's been right so often 
>> in the past flying in the face of conventional wisdom that anything he 
>> suggests automatically gets the benefit of my doubt -- even an 11-speed 
>> ramped and pinned chain ring. 
>>
>> No idea what they did, but once the shop replaced the outer ring the 
>> Tiagra double no longer would shift to the inner ring at all.  I tried 
>> adjusting the yaw and then it would shift briskly to the inner ring but no 
>> longer was reliable on the two outermost rings: sometimes it would 
>> spontaneously shift from the 46T outer to the 34 inner, and every single 
>> rear shift required trimming to avoid rubbing.
>>
>> They tried various adjustments and cage bending tricks for an hour while 
>> I watched, all to no avail.  Whatever happened when they replaced the outer 
>> ring certainly screwed up that Tiagra double.
>>
>> They replaced it with a *Tiagra FD4603F triple*.  This derailleur 
>> appears to be made for compact-sized chain rings.  The specification sheet 
>> says it's for a front chain ring difference of 20 teeth or less and a 
>> minimum difference of 11T between the middle and outer chain rings - a 
>> perfect match for my  setup.  And what a difference it made!
>>
>> Shifting was now perfect to all chain rings, and better than anything I 
>> have ever experienced before in 48 years of using triples.  Astounding.  
>> Amazing.  Incredible.  
>>
>> Basically, friction shifting in front has in my experience always been 
>> some kind of variation on "The Old Bump and Grind."  The original Herse 46 
>> and 34 shift was very nice -- indeed, I was very doubtful the ramped and 
>> pinned 46T ring would make any difference, since with the original outer 
>> ring shifting was as good as, if not even better than all the ramped and 
>> pinned rings I've used in the past -- but the ramped and pinned 46T ring 
>> changed things very much for the better.
>>
>> Instead of hearing the chain grinding across a few teeth to make the 
>> shift -- which was as good as I'd ever experienced of a front shift -- now 
>> I heard a SNAP and the chain instantly jumped between the two outer rings.  
>> Upshifts from the 34 to the 46 and downshifts from the 46 to

[RBW] The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread tc 
Leah,
This analog stem might work. They will have it in 0mm and 30mm reach versions. 
Will need shims since it’s a 31.8 handlebar clamp, and your Bosco at the clamp 
has a 25.4mm diameter. They can get you the right shims. 

https://www.analogcycles.com/product/analog-wright-stem/

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Dorothy C 
How about a dirt drop? You would need the 25.4 clamp version for mountain bike 
style bars. 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/stems/products/nitto-dirt-drop-26-0-8cm-or-10cm?variant=17940575027311

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Mark Roland 
https://www.modernbike.com/nitto-mt-10-long-quill-stem-25.4-35d-x-80-silver

this should be able to go higher than your current stem, since the extension 
itself also rises. The effective reach will probably be around the 50mm point 
of your current stem. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Leah Peterson 
I am in agreement. You guys have all said the same thing which is “DON’T DO 
THAT!” 

Knowing the risk, I’ll gladly buy the new taller stem.. if it exists!  I don’t 
want to be injured (again). It turns out I’m not good at that. 路‍♀️ 

Where do you find one? My cursory searches yielded nothing.

Sent from my iPhone

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> It might be fine but it might not. Is it worth the risk? Stem failures can 
> be dangerous depending on the how and when of it. I'd buy the longer stem and 
> do it right to eliminate the risk and so it would be done right. Your 
> beautiful bike deserves it! 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Leah: "So with all the standing I do (because I (erroneously?) believe it 
gives me an upper body workout as I pull on the bars up giant hills, this 
is a risky thing, huh?"

Arm and core work happens to varying degrees with every pedal stroke. The 
more you pull up on the bars in opposition to you pedal stroke down, the 
greater the arm work out. Ideally, all motion (legs and arms) initiates in 
your core (because of modern chairs et al, core muscles tend to be fairly 
weak), the idea being that big work should be done with big muscles, then 
attenuated through small muscles (hips, legs, feet) in finer gratiation of 
application and finesse. Your core can't push the pedals, that's what feet 
are fore, but it can initiate the engery push through the hips, to the 
legs, to the feet, each of which refines and applies that power along the 
way until it goes into a pedal traveling in a circle.

None of this is dependent on standing, though applying power through a 
high, parallel handlebar, such as Bosco, is made far easier standing than 
sitting (as opposed to a more perpendicular bar, such as bullmoose, that 
make sitting power strokes very easy.

All of which is to say you may want to play (within the limits of your 
current stem) some more before trying for a taller stem. Enjoy!

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Garth 


https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/nitto-stem-technomic-quill-280mm-xl-25-4mm-4096?category=817

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-NITTO-Nitto-MTC-04-x-225mm-SILVER-o28-6-22-2/173450990973?hash=item28627c157d:g:de0AAOSwdqJbZfOy

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Christopher Murray 
It might be fine but it might not. Is it worth the risk? Stem failures can be 
dangerous depending on the how and when of it. I'd buy the longer stem and do 
it right to eliminate the risk and so it would be done right. Your beautiful 
bike deserves it! 

Chris 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread lconley 
Bike Touring News has a 90 extension with 26.0 bars.

Alex's Cycle in Japan says 50 extension with 25.4 bars.$59 plus shipping

Rivendell can probably order one.

Laing

On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 2:04:32 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Laing, can you find a link for that?

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[RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Garth 


FWIW, the Nitto NTC 280 also comes in a 50mm version. 

http://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/stem-E.html

https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-technomic-ntc-280-stem-1

There's also using the Nitto MTC-04-225 , sometimes called the MTC-04 long, 
with a threadless stem that has positive rise, rather than extra long 
quills and a negative rise stem . 

At least with an open face stem you never ever have to remove everything 
from your bars to change a stem. 



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[RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Garth 

I'll put it this way, E calls you on the phone and says :  "I'm going to 
alter your sourdough recipe, just a smidge , and it will still taste even 
better, trust me".  

You say ...  ? 

 



On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 1:11:39 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> It’s the stem chronicles, with Leah Peterson. Are you sick of it? I’m sick 
> of it. 
>
> There is nothing wrong with my new Clem L.; it’s turning out to be a real 
> joy that has made me very happy.  I’ve settled in on it, save for one small 
> thing. I want the bars just a hair higher and closer. I had them at max 
> height, and today I upped them a bit more. See photo. The stem is a Nitto 
> 50 mm and 225 high. I have Bosco bars. 
>
> What I want to know is, what horrors might befall me for disobeying the 
> max height line? 
>
> If I don’t have to swap out the stem that would be awesome. I’m tired of 
> that game, and if you would just tell me everything will be fine with my 
> current adjustment that would be fantastic. This is what I’m hoping for, 
> folks, but give it to me straight. And can I raise it a smidge more?  
>
> I like ‘em close and I like ‘em high, 
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Garth 



Okay smartypants  ahahahahahahha  !!! 

..what do you suppose the "min. insertion" line is there for in the 
first place ? 


On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 1:37:52 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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> I say...
>
> “You better share your recipe. You owe me, kid.”
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

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[RBW] The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
It’s the stem chronicles, with Leah Peterson. Are you sick of it? I’m sick of 
it. 

There is nothing wrong with my new Clem L.; it’s turning out to be a real joy 
that has made me very happy.  I’ve settled in on it, save for one small thing. 
I want the bars just a hair higher and closer. I had them at max height, and 
today I upped them a bit more. See photo. The stem is a Nitto 50 mm and 225 
high. I have Bosco bars.

What I want to know is, what horrors might befall me for disobeying the max 
height line?

If I don’t have to swap out the stem that would be awesome. I’m tired of that 
game, and if you would just tell me everything will be fine with my current 
adjustment that would be fantastic. This is what I’m hoping for, folks, but 
give it to me straight. And can I raise it a smidge more? 

I like ‘em close and I like ‘em high,
Leah

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[RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Drw 
Also, and im only saying this because i recently had to encounter a 
handlebar raising issue that previously had been of no concern,  that max 
height line should be at or below the top of the headtube of the bike. 

My dad had his set like right below the top nut and thought it was ok 
because the line wasn't visible. sorta makes sense, but i asked LBS and its 
gotta go lower. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Joe Bernard 
Laing, can you find a link for that?

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Joe Bernard 
Yes it will get you injured. Which you already did this week so no more 
injuries for you! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Joe Bunik 
The problem is with the location where the expander-bolt now falls
within the steerer -- IF it's in the threaded section, its force is
creating a stress riser which gets amplified every time you hit bump.

One of the Bruce Gordon frames I salvaged had this fate befall it,
clearly a too-high stem had tore through the steerer. Somebody
probably regretted that immediately!

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 1/23/20, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> So with all the standing I do (because I (erroneously?) believe it gives me
> an upper body workout as I pull on the bars up giant hills, this is a risky
> thing, huh?
>
> What does a person do if she wants higher bars? Or should I just try to
> adapt to what I have?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:21 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> The fork steerer tube is weakest at the threads, When you go above the
>> minimum insertion line of the stem, you run the risk of the expander at
>> the bottom of the stem putting pressure on the weaker threaded part of the
>> stem instead of the stronger smooth part of the stem. The steerer tube
>> could then break at the threaded section and the handlebars and stem would
>> no longer be able to steer the bike. Also, if you the lifted the bike, the
>> fork might drop out of the frame. Never seen it happen, but those are the
>> dangers.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach, FL
>>
>>
>>> On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 1:11:39 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>> It’s the stem chronicles, with Leah Peterson. Are you sick of it? I’m
>>> sick of it.
>>>
>>> There is nothing wrong with my new Clem L.; it’s turning out to be a real
>>> joy that has made me very happy.  I’ve settled in on it, save for one
>>> small thing. I want the bars just a hair higher and closer. I had them at
>>> max height, and today I upped them a bit more. See photo. The stem is a
>>> Nitto 50 mm and 225 high. I have Bosco bars.
>>>
>>> What I want to know is, what horrors might befall me for disobeying the
>>> max height line?
>>>
>>> If I don’t have to swap out the stem that would be awesome. I’m tired of
>>> that game, and if you would just tell me everything will be fine with my
>>> current adjustment that would be fantastic. This is what I’m hoping for,
>>> folks, but give it to me straight. And can I raise it a smidge more? 
>>>
>>> I like ‘em close and I like ‘em high,
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread lconley 
Nitto makes a 280 extra tall Technomic, supposedly available as short as 70 
extension. 

Laing

On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 1:33:40 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> So with all the standing I do (because I (erroneously?) believe it gives 
> me an upper body workout as I pull on the bars up giant hills, this is a 
> risky thing, huh? 
>
> What does a person do if she wants higher bars? Or should I just try to 
> adapt to what I have? 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:21 AM, lconley > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> The fork steerer tube is weakest at the threads, When you go above the 
> minimum insertion line of the stem, you run the risk of the expander at the 
> bottom of the stem putting pressure on the weaker threaded part of the stem 
> instead of the stronger smooth part of the stem. The steerer tube could 
> then break at the threaded section and the handlebars and stem would no 
> longer be able to steer the bike. Also, if you the lifted the bike, the 
> fork might drop out of the frame. Never seen it happen, but those are the 
> dangers.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach, FL
>
>
> On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 1:11:39 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> It’s the stem chronicles, with Leah Peterson. Are you sick of it? I’m 
>> sick of it. 
>>
>> There is nothing wrong with my new Clem L.; it’s turning out to be a real 
>> joy that has made me very happy.  I’ve settled in on it, save for one small 
>> thing. I want the bars just a hair higher and closer. I had them at max 
>> height, and today I upped them a bit more. See photo. The stem is a Nitto 
>> 50 mm and 225 high. I have Bosco bars. 
>>
>> What I want to know is, what horrors might befall me for disobeying the 
>> max height line? 
>>
>> If I don’t have to swap out the stem that would be awesome. I’m tired of 
>> that game, and if you would just tell me everything will be fine with my 
>> current adjustment that would be fantastic. This is what I’m hoping for, 
>> folks, but give it to me straight. And can I raise it a smidge more?  
>>
>> I like ‘em close and I like ‘em high, 
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Leah Peterson 
So with all the standing I do (because I (erroneously?) believe it gives me an 
upper body workout as I pull on the bars up giant hills, this is a risky thing, 
huh? 

What does a person do if she wants higher bars? Or should I just try to adapt 
to what I have? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:21 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> 
> The fork steerer tube is weakest at the threads, When you go above the 
> minimum insertion line of the stem, you run the risk of the expander at the 
> bottom of the stem putting pressure on the weaker threaded part of the stem 
> instead of the stronger smooth part of the stem. The steerer tube could then 
> break at the threaded section and the handlebars and stem would no longer be 
> able to steer the bike. Also, if you the lifted the bike, the fork might drop 
> out of the frame. Never seen it happen, but those are the dangers.
> 
> Laing
> Delray Beach, FL
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 1:11:39 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> It’s the stem chronicles, with Leah Peterson. Are you sick of it? I’m sick 
>> of it. 
>> 
>> There is nothing wrong with my new Clem L.; it’s turning out to be a real 
>> joy that has made me very happy.  I’ve settled in on it, save for one small 
>> thing. I want the bars just a hair higher and closer. I had them at max 
>> height, and today I upped them a bit more. See photo. The stem is a Nitto 50 
>> mm and 225 high. I have Bosco bars. 
>> 
>> What I want to know is, what horrors might befall me for disobeying the max 
>> height line? 
>> 
>> If I don’t have to swap out the stem that would be awesome. I’m tired of 
>> that game, and if you would just tell me everything will be fine with my 
>> current adjustment that would be fantastic. This is what I’m hoping for, 
>> folks, but give it to me straight. And can I raise it a smidge more?  
>> 
>> I like ‘em close and I like ‘em high, 
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread Leah Peterson 
I say...

“You better share your recipe. You owe me, kid.”

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I'll put it this way, E calls you on the phone and says :  "I'm going to 
> alter your sourdough recipe, just a smidge , and it will still taste even 
> better, trust me".  
> 
> You say ...  ? 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 1:11:39 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> It’s the stem chronicles, with Leah Peterson. Are you sick of it? I’m sick 
>> of it. 
>> 
>> There is nothing wrong with my new Clem L.; it’s turning out to be a real 
>> joy that has made me very happy.  I’ve settled in on it, save for one small 
>> thing. I want the bars just a hair higher and closer. I had them at max 
>> height, and today I upped them a bit more. See photo. The stem is a Nitto 50 
>> mm and 225 high. I have Bosco bars. 
>> 
>> What I want to know is, what horrors might befall me for disobeying the max 
>> height line? 
>> 
>> If I don’t have to swap out the stem that would be awesome. I’m tired of 
>> that game, and if you would just tell me everything will be fine with my 
>> current adjustment that would be fantastic. This is what I’m hoping for, 
>> folks, but give it to me straight. And can I raise it a smidge more?  
>> 
>> I like ‘em close and I like ‘em high, 
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: The Stem Chronicles: Will this get me injured?

2020-01-23 Thread lconley 
The fork steerer tube is weakest at the threads, When you go above the 
minimum insertion line of the stem, you run the risk of the expander at the 
bottom of the stem putting pressure on the weaker threaded part of the stem 
instead of the stronger smooth part of the stem. The steerer tube could 
then break at the threaded section and the handlebars and stem would no 
longer be able to steer the bike. Also, if you the lifted the bike, the 
fork might drop out of the frame. Never seen it happen, but those are the 
dangers.

Laing
Delray Beach, FL


On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 1:11:39 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It’s the stem chronicles, with Leah Peterson. Are you sick of it? I’m sick 
> of it. 
>
> There is nothing wrong with my new Clem L.; it’s turning out to be a real 
> joy that has made me very happy.  I’ve settled in on it, save for one small 
> thing. I want the bars just a hair higher and closer. I had them at max 
> height, and today I upped them a bit more. See photo. The stem is a Nitto 
> 50 mm and 225 high. I have Bosco bars. 
>
> What I want to know is, what horrors might befall me for disobeying the 
> max height line? 
>
> If I don’t have to swap out the stem that would be awesome. I’m tired of 
> that game, and if you would just tell me everything will be fine with my 
> current adjustment that would be fantastic. This is what I’m hoping for, 
> folks, but give it to me straight. And can I raise it a smidge more?  
>
> I like ‘em close and I like ‘em high, 
> Leah

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Brooks c17 all weather carved

2020-01-23 Thread Christine Justice 
I have that exact model that I've been thinking of selling. I bought it for 
my Clem, but found it to be painful in that upright riding position. Maybe 
I needed the C19. I've ridden it about two times, not a scratch on it. How 
does $70 shipped sound?

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 6:06:21 PM UTC-5, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> I got two c19s earlier and they’re fantastic. Looking to try a c17 just to 
> see if I like it better on the roadie. 
>
> Thanks! 
>

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[RBW] Sizing Bike Friday NWT to replicate 54 cm Hunqapillar

2020-01-23 Thread Bill Schairer 
Ernie,

I have an older NWT that I purchased second hand.  I also have an Atlantis and 
have never ridden a Hunq.  I have no idea about angles or other measurements.  
With all my bikes, I just try to get the seat at the same height, the reach 
from the tip of the saddle to the bars the same, and the height of the bars the 
same.  After that, they all ride a bit differently.  The NWT is easily the 
twitchiest of my bikes but my feeling is that one adjusts to that sort of thing 
in very short order.  My gut tells me you will not be able to duplicate the 
ride of the Hunq no matter what with the NWT but I wouldn’t count that as a 
negative.

As far as foldability, I commuted with mine for a couple years because I didn’t 
feel safe locking my bike up in the neighborhood I worked.  Every day I folded 
the bike up to ride up in the elevator and store it my office, then back down 
to unfold and ride home.  Once one gets the hang of it, it is really quite 
quick and easy. I have no basis for comparison with other folders. That said, 
if I had to go out right now and fold mine up it would definitely take some 
time - I don’t do it anymore.  It now serves me well as a travel bike which I 
plan on taking to Japan in March.  I’ve credit card toured on it.  It is not my 
favorite bike.  It is my slowest bike.  It has served its purposes well. No 
regrets.

For whatever it is worth, mine is an older model with a SA IG 3 speed cassette 
(7 sp) hub. I think my gear range is sub 20 to 90ish GI.  I believe the rear 
brake configuration was a custom alteration that may have even added an extra 
step to the fold and unfold process yet I did it daily.  Mine came with flat 
bars and that is how I commuted with it.  I since switched it over to drop bars 
and I think that makes the folded package a bit more cumbersome but then again 
I haven’t done it on a regular basis so never had practice developing a routine 
in that configuration.  Why is it slower?  I don’t know.  Is it the smaller 
wheels?  Is it the hubs?  I think some efficiency is lost in the IG rear hub 
except in the middle gear but is that really the issue?  I’m not sure they even 
build them that way anymore anyways.

BILL S

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[RBW] Re: Advice Needed: Tires

2020-01-23 Thread Arthur Mayfield 


I want to throw in a vote for Soma Supple Vitesse SL tires. I have them 
currently on my Frank Jones Sr in 700c x 38, but have also run 700c x 33 on 
that bike. Both are the most comfy tires I've ever ridden on, and as light 
and fast as I need. They come in two variants, SL (super light) and EX 
(extra wear, with just a little thicker rubber on the tread. They also come 
in 700c x 42. Current production is tubeless-suitable, but some vendors 
still have the non-tubeless version in stock.

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[RBW] 58cm Rivendell Quickbeam for sale

2020-01-23 Thread Christopher Cote 
Oops, I meant 56cm in the earlier ad...

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[RBW] 58cm Rivendell Quickbeam for sale

2020-01-23 Thread Christopher Cote 
This was outed on another thread. It was listed as a 58cm in your first CL ad. 
Can you confirm the size? Also, can you give us the story behind the caliper 
brakes and repaint?

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Bike Friday NWT to replicate 54 cm Hunqapillar

2020-01-23 Thread Chris L 
RBW sometimes gets the top tube length wrong on their geometry charts 
(often using actual length instead of effective) and such is the case with 
the 54 Hunqapillar.  

Years ago, I found this schematic somewhere online and it shows both actual 
and theoretical top tube lengths.  I have also rendered the 54 Hunqapillar 
into BikeCad and the front-center matches RBW's chart when using a 599.3 cm 
ETT instead of the 584 cm listed. 


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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-23 Thread Mark Roland 
#clemtrails FTW! From wikipedalia: Many conspiracy theorists believe 
Clemtrails release substances known to cause smiles and happiness in humans 
and possibly other animals. #portmanteau

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 2:41:38 PM UTC-5, tuolumne bikes wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Of Bikes and Bread

2020-01-23 Thread Mark Roland 
#clemtrails FTW! From wikipedalia: Many conspiracy theorists believe 
Chemtrails release substances known to cause smiles and happiness in humans 
and possibly other animals. #portmanteau

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 2:41:38 PM UTC-5, tuolumne bikes wrote:
#clemtrails 

Carl

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[RBW] Sizing Bike Friday NWT to replicate 54 cm Hunqapillar

2020-01-23 Thread Joe Bernard 
Hi Ernie, 

I'm 5'-7" 79/80-ish PBH and owned a 54cm Hunq for a short time. With its 700C 
wheels the standover was nil (why I sold it), but the reach to the Bullmoose 
Bars was perfect. 

I also owned a 52cm NWT which was way too small, and currently have a Bike 
Friday Tikit 56cm that fits great for the upright position I need now 
(arthritis) with an 8cm stem, and felt good with its original 10cm, too. I 
don't know how much taller you are - tall enough to comfortably straddle a 54 
Hunq - but I'm fairly certain you need at least a 56cm Bike Friday. 

A note about folding bikes and "folding" bikes: If you're hopping trains every 
day I can't recommend most BFs, including the NWT. The fold is slow and 
finicky, and the steering mast pops off with no place to attach it to the bike. 
It's really more of a packable bike, which was BF's original mission..it was 
intended to break down into a suitcase for touring journeys. The only 
quick-fold bikes they make are the current Pakit, and my Tikit which is out of 
production. For the kind of commuting you want to do I think you would need one 
of those, or maybe a Brompton. 

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