[RBW] Why a rear disc on the tandem?

[masmojo]

Also a rim brake can get very hot, especially on a large bike with 2 people. 

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[RBW] Re: Raid Bill's Stable: Nine bikes available For Sale

[John G.]

I'm grateful I'm not Bill's size. That Rossin looks delightful, and the 
Univega is a STEAL at $500, especially considering the level to which Bill 
maintains his stable. 

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 1:23:17 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> There's been some interested emails but nothing serious has materialized 
> yet.  The bikes for which there has been zero interest is interesting to 
> me.  Nobody wants a light carbon mountain bike, which is not a big surprise 
> in this group.  I was a little surprised that nobody wants a dialed in 
> Roadeo, or an Eroica-ready bike, or a 650B road bike for 1/5th the price of 
> a typical MUSA Saluki.  I guess Eroica bikes and 650B conversions are fun 
> because they are projects.  
>
> I think the 650B Rossin is a really sweet bike.  Standard diameter tubing. 
> Pretty thinned lugs without being flamboyant.  Classic robins egg blue.  
> Timeless 2x6 friction drivetrain.  Low Q classic cranks in 172.5mm.  It's 
> really close to perfect.  It took P-clamps to get fenders on, so that's a 
> mark against it.  Here's an album:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157713069028537
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:43:50 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> My stable is stocked with a whole bunch of sensational builds.  Executing 
>> sensational builds is maybe my favorite bicycle related activity.  I've got 
>> another build (or two) on the horizon that I want to do, and I'm able to 
>> do, but I just don't have the space to put them once the builds are done.  
>> These builds have a fair bit of overlap and redundancy.  I love them all, 
>> but none of them is entirely indispensable.  So, just in case somebody 
>> wants a slightly used spectacular build for less money and less waiting 
>> than a brand new one, then here's a pizza menu for them.  Rather than make 
>> this a hugely long post with descriptions of each, I'll be super brief and 
>> list what it would cost to relieve me of any of these great bikes.  All of 
>> them fit me perfectly for the application for which they were built, and 
>> I'm 5'10" with a 75.5cm saddle height.
>>
>> 1. Turnkey 57cm Legolas Cyclocross Racing bike:  $4250
>> 2. 59cm Roadeo complete:  $3500
>> 3. Turnkey loaded touring build of a 56cm canti-Sam Hillborne (with 
>> single TT): $3000
>> 4. Monster-commuter, or Swiss-Army-Knife drop-bar, 56cm 650B MIT 
>> Atlantis:  $2600
>> 5. XC Racing carbon hardtail Niner Air9 mountain bike: $4500
>> 6. Deluxe derailer-less two-speed custom Gunnar Crosshairs: $1600
>> 7. Vintage Rossin 650B conversion road bike: $1000
>> 8. Turnkey Eroica 1985 60cm Univega Gran Premio: $500
>> 9. Rosco-Bubbe Road (blue lift-a-tube) complete: $950
>> 10. Niner RLT9 650B Road Plus: $2600
>>
>> If anybody has any interest in one or more of the above, please let me 
>> know.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Trangia fuel in California?

[Drw]

I wasnt aware of this. i just spent a good amount of time getting my ideal 
alcohol stove setup perfected, and i live in california 

Time to stock up on an alternative, i guess. 

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[RBW] Trangia fuel in California?

[Bob B]

Denatured alcohol at any hardware store. Thats the great thing about those 
stoves, you get fuel for cheap anywhere 

Bob B.
Brooklyn, NY

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[RBW] Why a rear disc on the tandem?

[Joe Bernard]

It's from an era when disc weren't the norm on tandems and that's what Riv was 
going for. It's primarily a v-brake bike with what is called a 'drag brake' for 
scrubbing off the speed of two people on a big descent. On a long bike with a 
rear passenger the rear brake can do a lot more work than on a single, so the 
disc makes sense back there instead of stressing the fork.

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[RBW] Trangia fuel in California?

[tc]

I saw your post and remembered this video of fuel performance comparisons: 
https://youtu.be/Mt69fbNhCgs

Tom

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[RBW] Why a rear disc on the tandem?

[S]

Just curious, from a design perspective, why does the Hubbuhubbah tandem 
have a rear disc brake? Thanks. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

[Ian Dickson]

Well, I went for the Appaloosa instead, but this is a great bike and 
someone should buy it. 

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 6:27:23 PM UTC-7, esoterica etc wrote:
>
>
> Joe— I totally agree with you. My Atlantis is a thing of beauty to look at 
> and ride, but these early MB’s have a great timeless look and feel to them 
> all their own. 
>
> ~Mark 
>
> > On Feb 10, 2020, at 18:15, Joe Bernard > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Plus these early MBs just look cool. Somebody buy it! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1985 21" Bridgestone MB-2, XT/XTR build

[esoterica etc]

Joe— I totally agree with you. My Atlantis is a thing of beauty to look at and 
ride, but these early MB’s have a great timeless look and feel to them all 
their own. 

~Mark 

> On Feb 10, 2020, at 18:15, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Plus these early MBs just look cool. Somebody buy it!
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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Roberta]

Also...

Testing the bikes help me decide on the Joe A.  So, if you can go to 
Rivendell or a dealer that has some built up, it'll be worth the trip, as 
masmojo suggested.  I drove to the dealer, planning on buying the Sam H., 
but after one lap around the parking log, I realized Joe A was the bike for 
me.  I had never ridden a Riv prior to trying them at the dealership.

Roberta

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 7:59:36 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> I have a 51 cm Joe Appaloosa (2 3/4 years) and a 54.5 A Homer Hilsen (8 
> months).  83 PBH and they both fit me great.  
>
> Joe is my in city love--wider tires, great ride.  I don't worry while 
> riding in the poorly maintained potholed streets or hitting cracks in the 
> MUP pavements.  I ride the A Home Hilsen mostly on paved paths, but that's 
> because of the different locations each bike resides.   AHH is in the 
> suburbs.   There is a bit more stand over room on the Joe A, so if they 
> both lived at home and I were to ride in the city, that would be the one 
> I'd pick--better for quick jump off's, too.
>
> The Joe ride is plush and calming, but it can go fast.  The A Homer Hilsen 
> is spritely and more spirited. And, much lighter.I've ridden a Clem H 
> and it's closer to the Joe A in ride feel, if you want to save some $$.
>
> However, if I were to buy a bike today and if it would be primarily for 
> "general around town city build", I'd look at a Cheviot.  With a Chev, 
> you'd get a lighter bike than the Clem L, and the practical-ness of a step 
> through.  If you like pretty, there's a Betty Foy on the board for sale, 
> the forerunner of the Chev.
>
> Here's the good news:  there are no bad decisions.  They are all great 
> bikes.
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5, Graham McCall wrote:
>>
>> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
>> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>>
>> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
>> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
>> kitchen sink. 
>>
>> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>>
>> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t 
>> ridden any Riv. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Roberta]

I have a 51 cm Joe Appaloosa (2 3/4 years) and a 54.5 A Homer Hilsen (8 
months).  83 PBH and they both fit me great.  

Joe is my in city love--wider tires, great ride.  I don't worry while 
riding in the poorly maintained potholed streets or hitting cracks in the 
MUP pavements.  I ride the A Home Hilsen mostly on paved paths, but that's 
because of the different locations each bike resides.   AHH is in the 
suburbs.   There is a bit more stand over room on the Joe A, so if they 
both lived at home and I were to ride in the city, that would be the one 
I'd pick--better for quick jump off's, too.

The Joe ride is plush and calming, but it can go fast.  The A Homer Hilsen 
is spritely and more spirited. And, much lighter.I've ridden a Clem H 
and it's closer to the Joe A in ride feel, if you want to save some $$.

However, if I were to buy a bike today and if it would be primarily for 
"general around town city build", I'd look at a Cheviot.  With a Chev, 
you'd get a lighter bike than the Clem L, and the practical-ness of a step 
through.  If you like pretty, there's a Betty Foy on the board for sale, 
the forerunner of the Chev.

Here's the good news:  there are no bad decisions.  They are all great 
bikes.

Roberta



On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5, Graham McCall wrote:
>
> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink. 
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv. 
>
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Raid Bill's Stable: Nine bikes available For Sale

[Bill Lindsay]

Matt 

I did receive your test message and I replied to it. 

Bill

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[RBW] Re: Raid Bill's Stable: Nine bikes available For Sale

[Matt Beecher]

I just sent a private reply. Can you please reply if you got it?

Thanks,
Matt

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[RBW] Re: Raid Bill's Stable: Nine bikes available For Sale

[Bill Lindsay]

Matt 

You emailed me a year ago about a single speed but I haven’t received anything 
from you lately. 

Bill

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[RBW] Check your PMs

[Joe Bernard]

...because I see this constantly on this forum where one person has an item to 
sell and somebody mentions later that they PMed and got no response. 

Also, if you tell somebody you're going to buy something and change your mind, 
tell them you've changed your mind instead of just wandering off. 

I'm not a moderator but I've been around since the beginning of RBW Bunch and 
bought and sold a ton of stuff, and I see the same messes between buyer and 
seller over and over again. Once that FS ball is rolling it's the 
responsibility of both sides to keep communication open, clear and prompt until 
the deal is done. Ya hear??

Joe Bernard

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[RBW] Re: Raid Bill's Stable: Nine bikes available For Sale

[Matt Beecher]

I sent an email about the roadeo, but got no response. 

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: Trangia fuel in California?

[Roger]

Looks like there might have been a run on alcohol fuels (except the O’Reilly 
had HEET).
Berkeley REI, El Cerrito Big 5, and the local hardware stores all had their 
shelves cleared for some time, but I was just told on the phone that at REI 
Crown is in stock again.

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[RBW] Re: Increasing chainstay clearance to run wider tires

[C.J. Filip]

Renewing this informative old post to see if anyone has attempted 
dimpling/indenting their Riv chainstays to increase tire clearance in the 
last 5 years.

My application is a Saluki running 47mm Teravail Cannonballs.  The tires 
fit but there is only 3-4mm of clearance on either side.  Looking to 
increase my margin of safety!

Clark in Moscow, ID.


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[RBW] Re: Trangia fuel in California?

[John Phillips]

  REI carries Crown brand Alcohol Stove Fuel for $7.95 per quart.

Last year when I was mixing up shellac for my handlebar tape, I couldn't 
find any 95% alcohol in my hardware stores, and ordered some from 
www.shellac.net, which was $4.00 per quart than the REI stove fuel.

John


On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 10:20:34 AM UTC-8, Roger wrote:
>
> Looks like California is tightening up on VOC’s and has caused denatured 
> alcohol to be taken off hardware store shelves. 
> What are affected people using to fuel their Trangias now?

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[RBW] Re: Getting a Riv Custom Painted in the Bay Area

[Brian Campbell]

My direct experience is that this statement is not true. I have a 2013 AHH 
and a 2019 Legolas both painted by D . Both are lugged frames and both 
look great.

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:49 AM UTC-5, Peter Bridge wrote:
>
> I've been told that D use thick paint that isn't flattering on classic 
> lugged frames. I do not have a dog in this hunt, just seeking direct 
> experience. 
>
> Thanks 
>
> ~pb

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[RBW] Trangia fuel in California?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Can you get Everclear at your liquor store? Burns great in Trangia stoves.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Raid Bill's Stable: Nine bikes available For Sale

[Bill Lindsay]

There's been some interested emails but nothing serious has materialized 
yet.  The bikes for which there has been zero interest is interesting to 
me.  Nobody wants a light carbon mountain bike, which is not a big surprise 
in this group.  I was a little surprised that nobody wants a dialed in 
Roadeo, or an Eroica-ready bike, or a 650B road bike for 1/5th the price of 
a typical MUSA Saluki.  I guess Eroica bikes and 650B conversions are fun 
because they are projects.  

I think the 650B Rossin is a really sweet bike.  Standard diameter tubing. 
Pretty thinned lugs without being flamboyant.  Classic robins egg blue.  
Timeless 2x6 friction drivetrain.  Low Q classic cranks in 172.5mm.  It's 
really close to perfect.  It took P-clamps to get fenders on, so that's a 
mark against it.  Here's an album:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157713069028537

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:43:50 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My stable is stocked with a whole bunch of sensational builds.  Executing 
> sensational builds is maybe my favorite bicycle related activity.  I've got 
> another build (or two) on the horizon that I want to do, and I'm able to 
> do, but I just don't have the space to put them once the builds are done.  
> These builds have a fair bit of overlap and redundancy.  I love them all, 
> but none of them is entirely indispensable.  So, just in case somebody 
> wants a slightly used spectacular build for less money and less waiting 
> than a brand new one, then here's a pizza menu for them.  Rather than make 
> this a hugely long post with descriptions of each, I'll be super brief and 
> list what it would cost to relieve me of any of these great bikes.  All of 
> them fit me perfectly for the application for which they were built, and 
> I'm 5'10" with a 75.5cm saddle height.
>
> 1. Turnkey 57cm Legolas Cyclocross Racing bike:  $4250
> 2. 59cm Roadeo complete:  $3500
> 3. Turnkey loaded touring build of a 56cm canti-Sam Hillborne (with single 
> TT): $3000
> 4. Monster-commuter, or Swiss-Army-Knife drop-bar, 56cm 650B MIT 
> Atlantis:  $2600
> 5. XC Racing carbon hardtail Niner Air9 mountain bike: $4500
> 6. Deluxe derailer-less two-speed custom Gunnar Crosshairs: $1600
> 7. Vintage Rossin 650B conversion road bike: $1000
> 8. Turnkey Eroica 1985 60cm Univega Gran Premio: $500
> 9. Rosco-Bubbe Road (blue lift-a-tube) complete: $950
> 10. Niner RLT9 650B Road Plus: $2600
>
> If anybody has any interest in one or more of the above, please let me 
> know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Trangia fuel in California?

[Roger]

Looks like California is tightening up on VOC’s and has caused denatured 
alcohol to be taken off hardware store shelves.
What are affected people using to fuel their Trangias now?

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[RBW] WTB: crankarms or crankset 170mm with 110 / 74 BCD - Sugino, Specialized "Flags", Velo Orange, or anything silver

[Joe Bernard]

Here's the XD600. Also available on the Amazon if that's your thing.

https://www.modernbike.com/sugino-152-mm-cranksets

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Re: [RBW] F.S. Compass, Gran bois, nitto, paul etc...

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

PM sent about the Compass 700x28 tires.

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> On Feb 11, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Dylan A  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello, 
> 
>Selling a handful of Parts and Tires shipping not included, Or pickup in 
> Minneapolis.  Prices OBO, looking for modern Nitto drop bars, and 1 1/8 
> threadless stem 50-70mm.
>Please email me for photos and I'll send a prompt response. 
>moderntimes3200 at gmail dot com 
> 
> 1.  Compass Chinook Pass tires 700 by 28c low miles $50 pair 
> 2.  Nitto bull moose handlebars 1 1/8 threadless. $100  (not the blue lug 
> version)  These have more rise and sweep back mounted and test ridden perfect 
> shape.  
> 3.  650b Dynamo wheel set.  32 hole Pacenti Pl23 rims, Paul Jono Rear Hub set 
> up for 7 speed 130 spaced.  Son deluxe front hub $350 Great Shape, perfectly 
> true, low miles. 
> 4.  Brooks B66s Relief hole cut by Grant.  Perfect shape older Sturmey archer 
> model.  $70 
> 5.  Brooks c-17 red great shape $70 
> 6.  Brown brooks plump grips $40 
> 7.  Sturmey Archer 36 hole rim brake dynamo $40 new in box 
> 8.  Pair NIB Grand Bois Ourson 650b by 35 $70 
> 9.  Pair Grand Bois Lierre 650b by 38 $70  (One NIB one mounted once never 
> ridden)  $70 
> 10.Pair WTB Horizon  650b by 47 $40 used good shape 
> 11. Nitto Jitensha bar 26.0 $35 
> 12. Paul touring Brake silver $50 one wheels worth great shape with brake 
> pads and straddle cable. 
> 
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[RBW] WTB: crankarms or crankset 170mm with 110 / 74 BCD - Sugino, Specialized "Flags", Velo Orange, or anything silver

[Joe Bernard]

Yes I'm the short cranks guy around here and I think you ALL are pushing cranks 
way too long unless you're on a singlespeed trying to climb Mt. Diablo 
which...why would you do that??

I don't have any in the stash to sell, but I recommend looking for shorter than 
170 to solve your knee issues. At 5'-7" (short legs, long torso) I use 155 and 
152 on regular bikes, 145 on my e-assist Clem. 

You can find Sugino 165 lots of places, and I've also found an XD600 in 152cm. 
If you want to spend $50 and can live with 130/74 BCD rings to experiment, 
search Origin8 cranks that come in a bunch of lengths starting at 145mm. Save 
the knees, ride shorty! 

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[RBW] Re: Adding spikes to MKS Grip Kings

[C.J. Filip]

Extremely easy process with the correct drill bit.

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 6:56:24 AM UTC-8, Jason D wrote:
>
> It looks like Riv is sold out of the pedal spikes, but I'm guessing I can 
> find them at the hardware store - 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/pedals/products/pedal-spikes-32.  I'm 
> curious if anyone has done this? If so do you have any tips or tricks or is 
> it so easy a caveman can do it? (The caveman in this scenario being me.)
>
>
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[RBW] WTB: crankarms or crankset 170mm with 110 / 74 BCD - Sugino, Specialized "Flags", Velo Orange, or anything silver

[Pancake]

Summary: Looking to experiment with shorter crankarms to see if it helps 
with some knee pain. I'd like to stick to Sugino XD2 / XD600 compatible 
crankarms so they'll be interchangeable with my other cranksets and 
chainrings.

Details:
My legs are short relative to my upper body, and one leg is shorter than 
the other. Two of my bikes have 175mm crank arms (Hillborne 56cm and 
Cheviot 60cm), one has 172.5mm (Rosco Baby medium). I know it'll be hard to 
tell much of a difference with the small change, but I've been having some 
knee pain while riding and this is my next component to try adjusting to 
see if it helps. My legs are different lengths (right is 11mm longer than 
left) according to x-rays taken when I needed knee surgery about 6 years 
ago. I've seen that difference called measurable leg length discrepancy 
(mlld). Apparently this is quite hard to measure (even with x-rays where 
they measure the bone lengths and add up the different), and it's different 
from functional leg length since our soft tissue makes up some of the 
difference. I use an extra shoe insole insert on the left to make up some 
of the difference, but it's maybe 2mm taller which isn't much.

I know it's a long shot that this would be my fix, but I'm also just 
curious to try shorter crankarms to see if it gives me a better ride 
separate from the knee pain and leg length difference.

Options I've found include the Sugino sets above, Specialized "Flag" or 99 
or Strongarm cranks, some VO cranksets and arms, and I'm sure there are 
others. I'm in the SF Bay Area and would be happy to pick up from Sonoma / 
Napa area to Oakland and anywhere in between. Otherwise, I'd pay for 
shipping. 

Joe Benard and I may have talked about this a while ago but I think I 
dropped the ball and didn't follow up?

Thanks for any options (and opinions, suggestions),
Abe "walks funny" in Napa

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[RBW] Re: F.S. Compass, Gran bois, nitto, paul etc...

[C.J. Filip]

PM sent re: Paul brakes.

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 6:56:10 AM UTC-8, Dylan A wrote:
>
> Hello, 
>
>Selling a handful of Parts and Tires shipping not included, Or pickup 
> in Minneapolis.  Prices OBO, looking for modern Nitto drop bars, and 1 1/8 
> threadless stem 50-70mm.
>Please email me for photos and I'll send a prompt response. 
>moderntimes3200 at gmail dot com 
>
> 1. * Compass Chinook Pass tires *700 by 28c low miles $50 pair 
> 2.  *Nitto bull moose handlebars *1 1/8 threadless. $100  (not the blue 
> lug version)  These have more rise and sweep back mounted and test ridden 
> perfect shape.  
> 3.  *650b Dynamo wheel set*.  32 hole Pacenti Pl23 rims, Paul Jono Rear 
> Hub set up for 7 speed 130 spaced.  Son deluxe front hub $350 Great Shape, 
> perfectly true, low miles. 
> 4.  *Brooks B66s* Relief hole cut by Grant.  Perfect shape older Sturmey 
> archer model.  $70 
> 5. * Brooks c-17* red great shape $70 
> 6.  *Brown brooks plump grips* $40 
> 7.  *Sturmey Archer 36 hole rim brake dynamo* $40 new in box 
> 8.  *Pair NIB Grand Bois Ourson* 650b by 35 $70 
> 9.  *Pair Grand Bois Lierre* 650b by 38 $70  (One NIB one mounted once 
> never ridden)  $70 
> 10.*Pair WTB Horizon * 650b by 47 $40 used good shape 
> 11. *Nitto Jitensha bar *26.0 $35 
> 12. *Paul touring Brake silver *$50 one wheels worth great shape with 
> brake pads and straddle cable. 
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[j.schwartz]

sounds like you're describing a Hilsen or a Hillborne 

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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Graham,
I'd also consider the A. Homer Hilsen. I've had it set up in many different 
ways: Albatross, Moustache/Albastache, drop bars... presently wearing 
bullmoose. 

I have dynamo lights (rear secula on the chainstay; front IQ-X) and Mark's 
rack on front w/basket. It's a versatile bike, and great for general riding 
around. It's not as heavily built as and is faster than the Hunqapillar. 

Good luck!
shoji





On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5, Graham McCall wrote:
>
> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink. 
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv. 
>
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Adding spikes to MKS Grip Kings

[J Edward]

Yeah, you can easily find these at any well-stocked hardware store! You want to 
make sure the hole you drill isn’t too big, otherwise they’ll be prone to 
falling out. I suggest getting a little Loctite to keep them secure as well. 

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Re: [RBW] FS: 55 cm Betty Foy

[lconley]

What is wrong with three Riv "mixtes"? I have a Clementine, Betty Foy, 
Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, and a Rosco Baby. Maybe you need a 
fourth...

Laing

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 10:58:20 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Rob, 
>
> It’s true I’m not particularly motivated to see it go. There is something 
> about it that is just timeless and eternally lovely. When I told my family 
> I was selling they all had the same reaction, “What??? NO!” The boys have 
> grown up with this bike in their lives, it’s true. 
>
> I plan to get a Cheviot this summer, and I don’t feel like I should have 
> THREE Riv mixtes, you know? Although, I’m warming up to the idea a little 
> more all the time.  
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 55 cm Betty Foy

[Leah Peterson]

Rob,

It’s true I’m not particularly motivated to see it go. There is something about 
it that is just timeless and eternally lovely. When I told my family I was 
selling they all had the same reaction, “What??? NO!” The boys have grown up 
with this bike in their lives, it’s true. 

I plan to get a Cheviot this summer, and I don’t feel like I should have THREE 
Riv mixtes, you know? Although, I’m warming up to the idea a little more all 
the time. 



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> On Feb 11, 2020, at 7:39 AM, Rob Kristoff  wrote:
> 
> Leah, are you CERTAIN you want to get rid of this bike? This could be "the 
> universe" ;) giving you a second chance.
> 
> That said, it WOULD be an all-time great Vday present.
> 
> Rob
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Re: [RBW] Re: Adding spikes to MKS Grip Kings

[David Bivins]

I will second Erik's description. Two caveats: drill somewhere where you
you don't mind metal shavings and can clean up (like the floor of a
workshop). The dining room table isn't appropriate, or at least that's what
my partner tells me. Second, they are REALLY grippy. I had some shoes with
smooth rubber soles, and the grips chewed them up a bit. Not a big deal,
but good to know.
I haven't regretted doing it at all - definitely made them much
safer-feeling in the rain!

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 10:34 AM Erik Wright 
wrote:

> Hey Jason,
>
> I thought they used to have a video on their website on how to add screws
> to their Grip Kings, but maybe not. I couldn't find one just now. I did
> this about a year ago and it's pretty simple-- just use a drill with a
> 3/32" bit, drill through the holes/pockets where you want the screws, then
> screw 'em in! I was nervous to take a drill to my pedals, but it all worked
> out fine. I believe I put 8 per side, 4 front/4rear. Very, very grippy. I
> was trying to mimic the grip of some Race Face Chester pedals
> 
>  I
> have on another bike and it worked great.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Erik, Philly
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Re: [RBW] FS: 55 cm Betty Foy

[Rob Kristoff]

Leah, are you CERTAIN you want to get rid of this bike? This could be "the 
universe" ;) giving you a second chance.

That said, it WOULD be an all-time great Vday present.

Rob

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[RBW] Re: Adding spikes to MKS Grip Kings

[Erik Wright]

Hey Jason,

I thought they used to have a video on their website on how to add screws 
to their Grip Kings, but maybe not. I couldn't find one just now. I did 
this about a year ago and it's pretty simple-- just use a drill with a 
3/32" bit, drill through the holes/pockets where you want the screws, then 
screw 'em in! I was nervous to take a drill to my pedals, but it all worked 
out fine. I believe I put 8 per side, 4 front/4rear. Very, very grippy. I 
was trying to mimic the grip of some Race Face Chester pedals 

 I 
have on another bike and it worked great.

Best of luck!

Erik, Philly

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[RBW] Help me buy a Riv

[masmojo]

Based on your criteria and their current lineup, the Atlantis, Cheviot or 
Appaloosa would all work very well.

Clem, is good, but it is more of a workhorse; good for carrying "stuff". Fun, 
but my impression is you desire something a little zippier. 

If you are within an hours drive of Rivendell HQ I'd suggest a visit. It if you 
are traveling to the Bay Area on business, a couple hour side trip via the BART.

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[RBW] Re: 650b 2.2–2.4 CITY tire recommendations* *Also: Is a tire dead when it has tiny holes from glass?

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

Bob,

Not sure how wide they go in 650b size, but I've been running 700x50mm 
Panaracer Gravel King SKs on my Chev for the last 8 months commuting ~15 
miles daily in NYC (mostly Brookyn with lots of glass and other city 
detritus). I've only had one flat and it was a weird phantom flat (not 
puncture) where the tire wasn't keeping enough pressure but not going 
entirely flat either. (Could've been a defective tube as I couldn't find 
any puncture after removing it.) Before the Gravel Kings, I had Continental 
Sport Contact II (what Riv calls the basketball tire) and was happy with 
those (only one puncture flat in a year or so). 

Again different size tire, but I have Kenda Kranium 26"x2.1 on my Xtracycle 
conversion and have been happy with those so far. Much less daily use, 
however, so can't quite vouch for their longevity just yet. 
 

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 8:35:19 PM UTC-5, Bob B wrote:
>
> Hi all, I have a two part post:
>
> *Part 1 (See Image, the small punctures above the left and middle large 
> knobs):*
> Have been suffering from repeated flats on my 27.5 x 2.1 Thunderburts; 
> figured out it was from tiny holes in both tires, presumably from riding 
> over glass or other street junk in NYC. Please take my word that this 
> wasn't just plowing through a pile of glass shards. This must have been 
> small, hardly noticeable stuff. The high-end, supple compound on these 
> tires feels great on the road and has a lot of grip, but I worry they 
> failed so easily in this environment? I rode in the same places at the same 
> frequency with Marathons and even the supple Panaracer Paselas on a 
> different bike and never got flats (really, never!)
>
> [image: IMG_5619.JPG]
>
>
> My questions regarding this situation:
>
>- when these tiny punctures happen to a tire, can it be saved? I 
>patched the inside of the tire but I'm not sure how reliable that is. Do 
>you typically keep riding something like that? 
>- is it a logical assumption that this tire compound is just not suis
>
>
> *Part 2:*
> What are your recommendations for 650b x 2.2–2.4 city tires? I think I've 
> noticed via this list that Kainalu V. from Brooklyn swears by G-Ones. Don't 
> those use the same compound as the Thunder burts? 
>
> Looking for a robust, reliable tire in this size range, that I can run on 
> a 52 Clem L with fenders.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob B.
> Brooklyn, NY
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 56 Sam Hillborne

[Alex Applegate]

Thanks for the update!

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 06:57 Hayden  wrote:

> Sale is pending
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:20:42 AM UTC-8, Hayden wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Selling my Hillborne, located in Los Angeles. Bike is in good condition
>> one minor ding on top tube from a bar end(see photo) and some other slight
>> scuffs but nothing major.
>>
>>
>> Please ask any and all questions. Saddle not included. Can sell rack
>> along with if requested. Buyer can cover shipping and packing.
>>
>> Asking $1400
>>
>>
>> -Rivendell Billie Bars
>> -nitto stem
>> -silver shifters
>> -paul levers
>> -fsa headset
>> -sugino xd2 wide low double
>> -VP-015 pedals
>> -nitto rear cable hanger
>> -paul racer brakes, silver
>> -deore rear derailer
>> -shimano cx70 front derailer
>> -shimano bb
>> -700c wheelset- sun cr18 rims, deore hubs, 36h, 8spd cassette
>> -700x42 shikoro tires
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1Bh3x9HbQ1a4W7FW9wwgVSwja0qke8uSe
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[RBW] Getting a Riv Custom Painted in the Bay Area

['Peter Bridge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've been told that D use thick paint that isn't flattering on classic lugged 
frames. I do not have a dog in this hunt, just seeking direct experience.

Thanks

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 Sam Hillborne

[Hayden]

My PBH height is 85-86cm. I really enjoy the fit of this bike The standover 
currently sits at 33” with the 700 x 42mm Shikoros on it. 

The largest tires I fit on to this bike with the 700 wheels are the Soma 
Cazaderos 42mm with the slight knobs and all. I have never attempted any 
fenders since I live in Los Angeles.

I believe the frame was built in 2013. 

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 7:51:51 PM UTC-8, Applegate wrote:
>
> Ah! Forgot to ask the obligatory: what’s your PBH, and how do you find the 
> bike fits you?

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[RBW] Help me buy a Riv

[Graham McCall]

I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town city 
build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build.

I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton of 
stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the kitchen sink.

What frames have people built up this way that feel great?

I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden any 
Riv.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: 650b 2.2–2.4 CITY tire recommendations* *Also: Is a tire dead when it has tiny holes from glass?

[Bill Schairer]

I inspect my tires much more frequently than I used to and often am picking 
various debris out of them that have not yet caused a puncture.  I’ve come to 
the conclusion that many flats are caused not by what I just ran over but by 
something I ran over yesterday that has finally worked itself through.  
Secondly, are you sure you have remove the cause of the flats from the tire so 
that it cannot cause another?

Bill S

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Toyo Fatlantis?

[Thomas B]

Thanks for the responses everyone!

I will mull things a bit and post a picture when I switch things up.

Tom

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:16:56 PM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> the antelope hills are great for mt. tam; i know because i have ridden all 
> over on my clem L with those tires. rivendell also has these schwalbe g one 
> all arounds that are similarly fast-rolling but have some knobbage that 
> bites if you want that.
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:22:24 AM UTC-8, Thomas B wrote:
>>
>> I would like to put some bigger tires on my Toyo Atlantis for some of the 
>> steeper off-road trails around Mt. Tam and East Bay Hills. At the moment I 
>> run Barlow Pass and am pretty clueless about off-road tires In general and 
>> what to look for. Any advice? 
>>
>> Recent pictures from fellow El Cerrito resident Hillbubba have been quite 
>> inspirational. 
>>
>> Thanks 
>> Tom
>
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[RBW] Re: Evolution of Riv SS Designs?

[donavanm]

A late update with two datapoints. I have a simpleone and silver quickbeam. 
Havent noticed a difference in clearance. QB has WTB 40mm nanoraptors on i19 
crisscross rims,  SO ive done 38 gravelkings and 36mm MSO x’plors under 
fenders. Both setups have comfortable amount of clearance, but fenders over the 
nanoraptors were *real* tight.

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[RBW] Sam Hillborne serial question

[El Fryett]

Hi all, 

Happy to be part of this group! Thinking of adding to my Riv-stable with 
58cm double top tube Hillborne (caliper model) that has a serial that 
starts with M180. Can anyone help with the provenance?

Thanks, Eli
Portland, Oregon

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 Sam Hillborne

[Hayden]

Sale is pending

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:20:42 AM UTC-8, Hayden wrote:
>
> Hey all, 
>
> Selling my Hillborne, located in Los Angeles. Bike is in good condition 
> one minor ding on top tube from a bar end(see photo) and some other slight 
> scuffs but nothing major.
>
>
> Please ask any and all questions. Saddle not included. Can sell rack along 
> with if requested. Buyer can cover shipping and packing. 
>
> Asking $1400
>
>
> -Rivendell Billie Bars
> -nitto stem
> -silver shifters
> -paul levers
> -fsa headset
> -sugino xd2 wide low double
> -VP-015 pedals
> -nitto rear cable hanger
> -paul racer brakes, silver
> -deore rear derailer
> -shimano cx70 front derailer
> -shimano bb
> -700c wheelset- sun cr18 rims, deore hubs, 36h, 8spd cassette
> -700x42 shikoro tires 
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1Bh3x9HbQ1a4W7FW9wwgVSwja0qke8uSe
>

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[RBW] Adding spikes to MKS Grip Kings

[Jason D]

It looks like Riv is sold out of the pedal spikes, but I'm guessing I can 
find them at the hardware store - 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/pedals/products/pedal-spikes-32.  I'm 
curious if anyone has done this? If so do you have any tips or tricks or is 
it so easy a caveman can do it? (The caveman in this scenario being me.)


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[RBW] Re: The Collector's Edition

[Weston Hein]

Love all of your builds Jason! The XO is looking very proper, are those 
Crust bars?

It sounds like we've followed similar paths- I was very involved with early 
watercooled VW's in the early 2000's down here in Seattle. Put a MK2 GTi on 
airride and dual Weber carbs. I miss working on cars sometimes but I like 
wrenching on bikes more! 

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[RBW] F.S. Compass, Gran bois, nitto, paul etc...

[Dylan A]

Hello, 

   Selling a handful of Parts and Tires shipping not included, Or pickup in 
Minneapolis.  Prices OBO, looking for modern Nitto drop bars, and 1 1/8 
threadless stem 50-70mm.
   Please email me for photos and I'll send a prompt response. 
   moderntimes3200 at gmail dot com 

1. * Compass Chinook Pass tires *700 by 28c low miles $50 pair 
2.  *Nitto bull moose handlebars *1 1/8 threadless. $100  (not the blue lug 
version)  These have more rise and sweep back mounted and test ridden 
perfect shape.  
3.  *650b Dynamo wheel set*.  32 hole Pacenti Pl23 rims, Paul Jono Rear Hub 
set up for 7 speed 130 spaced.  Son deluxe front hub $350 Great Shape, 
perfectly true, low miles. 
4.  *Brooks B66s* Relief hole cut by Grant.  Perfect shape older Sturmey 
archer model.  $70 
5. * Brooks c-17* red great shape $70 
6.  *Brown brooks plump grips* $40 
7.  *Sturmey Archer 36 hole rim brake dynamo* $40 new in box 
8.  *Pair NIB Grand Bois Ourson* 650b by 35 $70 
9.  *Pair Grand Bois Lierre* 650b by 38 $70  (One NIB one mounted once 
never ridden)  $70 
10.*Pair WTB Horizon * 650b by 47 $40 used good shape 
11. *Nitto Jitensha bar *26.0 $35 
12. *Paul touring Brake silver *$50 one wheels worth great shape with brake 
pads and straddle cable. 

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[MoVelo]

Bruce

Thanks. 

Yes the Ram is a 650 conversion which was pretty easy given the long reach 
brake calipers. I've had this bike for approximately 10 years now, and it 
has had many different set ups. The Ram is better on gravel as the tires 
are 42s with 35s on the Legolas and with the BB is a bit lower feels more 
stable than the Legolas.

The Legolas I've had for only three years and am still sorting it out. It 
is a racing bike and is just a bit quicker than the Ram when turning. I 
think I need a few more years to fully compare the two, but at this point I 
feel more a part of the Ram as opposed to sitting on the Legolas, if that 
makes any sense. 

The crank of the Ram is 172.5 while the Legolas is 170, which doesn't seem 
to be enough to make a noticeable difference to me. 

The cockpit components of the Legolas are a mix of Sram Rival, Red and XX. 
The Ram's components are all Ultegra. I do prefer the Sram over the 
Shimano. The Sram feels a bit more racey while the Shimano feels more 
substantial. 

My intent has been to find a new home for the Ram but I still like it so 
much I am waffling on selling it. 

They are both fantastic bikes, fit well and are a joy to ride. The only 
other bike I have had that compares in ride quality to these two is my 68 
Schwinn Paramount, and I've owned a few lugged steel bikes over the years. 

Cheers

James 

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 12:10:46 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Very nice bikes.  Is the Ram a 650B conversion?  With the setups so 
> similar, how do the 2 bikes compare in ride qualities?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 10, 2020, at 10:54 AM, MoVelo > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello everyone. Thought I jump in here and post pics of my two Rivendells. 
>
> One a Legolas purchased from a list member a few years ago. 
>
> Also my Ram. Please excuse the tires as I am awaiting some new skins.
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 1:29:13 PM UTC-6, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>
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