[RBW] Re: ISO QR skewer to fit 120 mm hub: silver, internal cam, steel, stout; preferably Shimano

[Corwin]

Sorry. Left out the link:

http://boulderbicycle.bike/Gipiemme-Quick-Release-Skewer-NOS-6sp-very-nice-quality-need-old-lube-cleaned-out.html

CZ

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 10:47:28 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a quality, silver, and pretty skewer that will clamp hard 
> enough to long, (thickish) plate dropouts to hold the axle in place under 
> the immense torque of my pedaling. 
>
> I believe (be sure to correct me if I am wrong) that 126 mm OL skewers 
> will work fine, and I would love to have an old Dura Ace skewer like that I 
> have on my Riv gofast.
>
> Again, must have enough threading to accommodate an axle 6 mm shorter than 
> that on a 126 mm OL hub. Must be strong, must be silver, must be pretty. If 
> you have something like this, name your price.
>
> I have been using old internal cam, 135 mm OL XT skewers (those with the 
> rubber caps on the levers) on my 130 mm OL Riv, and I'll be happy to swap 
> in full or part trade -- probably part. These do work very well.
>
> BTW, this is for the new Chauncey Riv clone which is to be done with 
> baking today, I think, so build shortly, God willing. The dropouts look cut 
> from thickish plate; must ask Chauncey. They're thinner than, say, 1010s, 
> for the sake of the short axle on the AM hub.
>
> In case it's not clear, the bike is designed to use a fixed wheel as the 
> main wheel (fixed = main? Of course!) with the AM wheel as an occasional 
> wheel.
>
> And finally, btw, as to a 120 mm OL fixed hub: narrowed the choice down to 
> Surly flip flop and the VO fixed fixed; the Surly fixed fixed is no longer 
> made and not carried by the usual LBS suppliers, apparently. The VO is very 
> nice, but while it has a hollow axle, it is meant for bolts; and while it 
> could be cut, the Surly axle is both hollow and internally threaded for 6 
> mm bolts, in case none of youse come through.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO QR skewer to fit 120 mm hub: silver, internal cam, steel, stout; preferably Shimano

[Corwin]

Hi Patrick -

I was presented with a similar problem when I got a new rear wheel for my 
Quickbeam. I got a NOS Campy skewer. The threads allow me to clamp my wheel 
very tightly in the beefy dropouts of the Quickbeam. I got mine from 
Boulder Bicycle. They appear to be out of Campy skewers - but have a few 
NOS Gipiemme skewers for $12 - 15. Not sure if the threads on the Gipiemme 
skewers will allow you to get down to the place you need - but the threads 
appear to be similar to the Campy skewers.

I would send mail (or call) Boulder Bicycle and ask them to measure the 
threads. I have dealt with them several times. They have always provided 
outstanding service.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 10:47:28 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a quality, silver, and pretty skewer that will clamp hard 
> enough to long, (thickish) plate dropouts to hold the axle in place under 
> the immense torque of my pedaling. 
>
> I believe (be sure to correct me if I am wrong) that 126 mm OL skewers 
> will work fine, and I would love to have an old Dura Ace skewer like that I 
> have on my Riv gofast.
>
> Again, must have enough threading to accommodate an axle 6 mm shorter than 
> that on a 126 mm OL hub. Must be strong, must be silver, must be pretty. If 
> you have something like this, name your price.
>
> I have been using old internal cam, 135 mm OL XT skewers (those with the 
> rubber caps on the levers) on my 130 mm OL Riv, and I'll be happy to swap 
> in full or part trade -- probably part. These do work very well.
>
> BTW, this is for the new Chauncey Riv clone which is to be done with 
> baking today, I think, so build shortly, God willing. The dropouts look cut 
> from thickish plate; must ask Chauncey. They're thinner than, say, 1010s, 
> for the sake of the short axle on the AM hub.
>
> In case it's not clear, the bike is designed to use a fixed wheel as the 
> main wheel (fixed = main? Of course!) with the AM wheel as an occasional 
> wheel.
>
> And finally, btw, as to a 120 mm OL fixed hub: narrowed the choice down to 
> Surly flip flop and the VO fixed fixed; the Surly fixed fixed is no longer 
> made and not carried by the usual LBS suppliers, apparently. The VO is very 
> nice, but while it has a hollow axle, it is meant for bolts; and while it 
> could be cut, the Surly axle is both hollow and internally threaded for 6 
> mm bolts, in case none of youse come through.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

[Philip Williamson]

If I were to repaint my Coleman Green Quickbeam, it would be in metallic dark 
dark gray, with no decals. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Aaron. You can see the cages with the big water bottles (3) 64oz, 
(1) 28 oz. in these two posts.

https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder
and
https://deaconpatrick.org/two-midsummer-nights-dream-bikepacking-pikes-peak

With abandon,
Patrick


On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-6, A. Douglas M. wrote:
>
> I love it, Deacon. Looks very comfortable. 
>
> Also love 4 bottle cages! 
>
> Thanks for posting. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[A. Douglas M.]

I love it, Deacon. Looks very comfortable. 

Also love 4 bottle cages! 

Thanks for posting. 

Best,

Aaron

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[RBW] Re: FS- 53cm Atlantis with s couplers (26” wheels)

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bump!
Price drop $2300 shipped.

Thanks for the interest and patience regarding pics.

Really feel free to make any offer; happy to discount for a list member who 
would truly enjoy this small steed and use it for many many rides!

Ryan
West Michigan
(616)928-4226

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[RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

To add more specifics to answer your question:

- a 100-200 mm telephoto lens (minimum) and tripod go a long way to making 
fruitful a wait in a well chosen hide. These are, of course, unwieldy and 
impractical for impromptu shots on a bike. Grin.

- Short the above, an inexpensive point and shoot camera with image 
stabalization and decent telephoto (Canon Elph 180 or 190) are a quickdraw 
solution with a reasonable chance of success if kept in a handlebar "feed" 
style bag.

Those are the only two practical suggestions I have. In general, a mobile 
phone won't cut it for any but the lucky (or unlucky, if you get too close 
to the bear/moose/elk/couger/badger...) encounter with wildlife that pose. 
And, sometimes, they do.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Hours of patience or dumb luck, neither of which guarantee results other 
> than photos that look like proof of bigfoot, which is to say and 
> indiscernable blob. That is why I prefer to hunt flowers and trees and snow 
> and rain and landscapes. I'm fat and lazy. Grin. I see bald and goalden 
> eagles, perigrin, osprey, bats, owles, herons, cranes, song birds of too 
> many varieties to fathom, hummingbirds, and many others, and almost never 
> try to photograph them.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:55:37 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly 
>> appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Surly Cable hanger

[Gabriel Hargrove]

That was fast. 
Thanks, Tom! 
PM sent.

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[RBW] Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A bit over a year ago, I received my Gus Boots Willsen prototype. Grant 
designed GBW with Bosco bars in mind: upright riding with high, close bars. 
Riding single track this upright on good, solid geometry is transformative, and 
I loved this aspect of the Bosco bars it came with; I just switched to Wavy and 
then Jones bars because jouncy, technical descents with parallel 
handlebars/brakes is low on the fun scale.

Now, thanks to Velo Orange's Cigne stem (swan is so much more elegant than the 
usual name, so thank you, VO for that! LInk: 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/stems/products/cigne-stem), I have achieved 
the upright riding position intended for this bike and wow is it elegant. 
Everything is in the sweetspot. Climbing has the front wheel less weighted and 
with the long wheelbase, I can sit up and not flip over backwards, but either 
spin/cruise up the hills, or shift up and torque the pedals with some handlebar 
leverage (which is much easier done while sitting than with a lower/forwarder 
bar). Long, swoopy, descents that wend their way around knolls and down gullies 
and through meadows and aspen groves on butter smooth trails are flowing poetic 
elegance and deceptively fast because slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Grin. 
Those jouncy, technical descents smooth out too, and the bike is free to do its 
Mongolian thing just by sitting up a bit off the saddle and letting it ride to 
the flow of bending elbows and knees.

So, to all the new builds of GBWs and Suzies, aim high and close with your 
bars. Riding with Boscos, even if they aren't your end bar, is a great way to 
get a feel for what this bike is. And if you ride technical single track and 
want a more perpendicular bar, the wavy bar and Cigne stem are an excellent 
combo for achieving Bosco feel with wavy confidence on descents. Note, you'll 
need the shims to make is happy.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Velo Orange's Cigne stem arrived and today was my first ride with it. 
Wonderful! Grant designed GBW with Bosco bars in mind, and that is what my 
prototype arrived with. To ride single track this upright on good, solid 
geometry is transformative. I'll post more on this, as this deserves its 
own thread, but just wanted to follow up here. Thanks again for the tip, 
Garth!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hours of patience or dumb luck, neither of which guarantee results other 
than photos that look like proof of bigfoot, which is to say and 
indiscernable blob. That is why I prefer to hunt flowers and trees and snow 
and rain and landscapes. I'm fat and lazy. Grin. I see bald and goalden 
eagles, perigrin, osprey, bats, owles, herons, cranes, song birds of too 
many varieties to fathom, hummingbirds, and many others, and almost never 
try to photograph them.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:55:37 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> 2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly 
> appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

[Michael Baquerizo]

I own a brg Bob Jackson w gold lug lining. 

I like green bikes and BRG especially, but imo lug lining detracts from the 
beauty of the lugs. I'd like the bike much more if it was a more simple paint 
job. 

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[RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

[eddietheflay]

snowy have yellow feet, great have black feet.

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 1:55:37 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> On the last 2 rides or so around our acequia trails, I've started 
> brilliantly white, medium-sized birds up from the irrigation ditches, a 
> type I've not seen before this season. We have plenty of wild ducks and 
> geese, and over the last 6 or 8 years, large blue/grey herons (I think they 
> are herons) skulking around the irrigation ditches. The white birds are 
> rather like smaller versions of the big herons  - that is, they are built 
> on the same long and leggy pattern -- and, like the herons, hang around the 
> ditches, and of course, flap away before you can whip out your iPhone and 
> snap a shot.
>
> So, 2 questions:
>
> 1. What other birds might look like this, and find themselves in high 
> desert NM in summer?
> [image: image.png]
> (Note: This is a web photo, not mine. What I saw look somewhat like this, 
> but I can't swear to the black legs or black beak -- was too busy trying to 
> keep from falling over into the ditch on the right while dodging huge 
> cottonwoods on the left while negotiating an 18" trail beset by large 
> roots, cutaways, sand, and potholes -- and I suffer from mild acrophobia; 
> any "teetery" situation makes me want to hyperventilate and sweat; and 
> then, the Matthews is not at its best at slow-speed nimbleness.)
>
> 2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly 
> appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques? 
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

[Ray Varella]

Not sure about New Mexico Patrick but there are two common species of Egrets 
here. 
The Snowy and the Greater. 
The greater are a bit smaller than the Great Blue Herons you are seeing. 
It sounds like you saw a Snowy. 


Ray

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[RBW] Touring the Highland Cathedral's flowers with the Little Flower of Lisieux

[Max S]

Lovely. Thank you for turning your mind, eye, and lens to the beautiful. And 
sharing. 

- Max “...” in A2

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[RBW] Touring the Highland Cathedral's flowers with the Little Flower of Lisieux

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Who better than Saint Theresa the Little Flower of Lisieux and her “little way” 
from “The Story of a Soul” to accompany us through the meadows of the Highland 
Cathedral?

https://deaconpatrick.org/touring-the-highland-cathedrals-flowers-with-the-little-flower-of-lisieux

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Most modified?

[Chris L]

I haven't done any modifications but I might someday consider having my 54 
cm Hunqapillar (700c) converted to 650B.  Even with the large BB drop, 60 
mm tires would give a good BB height.  I've decided that 700c x 50 or 
bigger tires are just too cumbersome for the riding I do.  

I could do disc tabs and have the best of both worlds but I have no 
experience with them and don't know if I would like them.  


On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 3:45:19 PM UTC-5, J L wrote:
>
> One of the things I like about Rivendell is their encouragement of 
> individualized setups. What are some examples of permanently modified Riv 
> bikes that you all have had, or ridden, or seen? I can think of a few 
> examples. 
>
> Anyone have disc tabs on an Atlantis or Appaloosa? 
>
> Anyone weld on a child seat mount? 
>
> Belt drive modification for IGH? 
>
> Homebrew tandem? 
>
>
> Etc. 
>
> Jason 
> SF Bay Area

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[RBW] WTB Surly Cable hanger

[Tom Norton]

I have one that I decided not to use when I built my frame at Doug Fattic's 
school.
Say $8 via PayPal Friends and Family.
Tom Norton
Chardon, Ohio
tnorton...@gmail.com

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[RBW] WTB Surly Cable hanger

[Gabriel Hargrove]

Title says it pretty much. Looking for a Surly (rear) Cable hanger! I have 
an old Dia Compe style, but the aperture is too small for the female end of 
the seatpost binder bolt. 
Also still looking for an American Classic seatpost upper/lower clamp 
assembly and bolts. If you have a beat looking A.C. seat post and the 
clamps are in good shape, I'm looking to make a random post I have usable. 

This is the guy I'm talking about: 



Best regards,

Gabriel Hargrove
Huntington Beach, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

[Robert Tilley]

  I commonly see hawks and owls on my rides and I have seen ospreys before. My commute used to be on trails and when winter came and my commute home started at dusk I would often stir up owls and hawks from their perches on trail markers and would get to ride with them just off of my shoulder for a little while.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA  Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: bhim...@gmail.comSent: June 14, 2020 2:43 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]  Patrick - when I want to identify a bird and other birds similar to it I use this website https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/   It's an excellent collection and it allows you to search by taxonomy as well as other keys.   BTW, I'm curious to know whether those who live in those desert climates such as yourself, Leah, etc. get to see various raptors soaring around on the strong thermals out there when you're on a ride.  If so, ever identify any?  Eagles, hawks, condors, etc.On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 3:55:37 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:On the last 2 rides or so around our acequia trails, I've started brilliantly white, medium-sized birds up from the irrigation ditches, a type I've not seen before this season. We have plenty of wild ducks and geese, and over the last 6 or 8 years, large blue/grey herons (I think they are herons) skulking around the irrigation ditches. The white birds are rather like smaller versions of the big herons  - that is, they are built on the same long and leggy pattern -- and, like the herons, hang around the ditches, and of course, flap away before you can whip out your iPhone and snap a shot.So, 2 questions:1. What other birds might look like this, and find themselves in high desert NM in summer?(Note: This is a web photo, not mine. What I saw look somewhat like this, but I can't swear to the black legs or black beak -- was too busy trying to keep from falling over into the ditch on the right while dodging huge cottonwoods on the left while negotiating an 18" trail beset by large roots, cutaways, sand, and potholes -- and I suffer from mild acrophobia; any "teetery" situation makes me want to hyperventilate and sweat; and then, the Matthews is not at its best at slow-speed nimbleness.)2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques? -- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum




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[RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

[George Schick]

Patrick - when I want to identify a bird and other birds similar to it I 
use this website https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/   It's an excellent 
collection and it allows you to search by taxonomy as well as other keys.   
BTW, I'm curious to know whether those who live in those desert climates 
such as yourself, Leah, etc. get to see various raptors soaring around on 
the strong thermals out there when you're on a ride.  If so, ever identify 
any?  Eagles, hawks, condors, etc.


On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 3:55:37 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> On the last 2 rides or so around our acequia trails, I've started 
> brilliantly white, medium-sized birds up from the irrigation ditches, a 
> type I've not seen before this season. We have plenty of wild ducks and 
> geese, and over the last 6 or 8 years, large blue/grey herons (I think they 
> are herons) skulking around the irrigation ditches. The white birds are 
> rather like smaller versions of the big herons  - that is, they are built 
> on the same long and leggy pattern -- and, like the herons, hang around the 
> ditches, and of course, flap away before you can whip out your iPhone and 
> snap a shot.
>
> So, 2 questions:
>
> 1. What other birds might look like this, and find themselves in high 
> desert NM in summer?
> [image: image.png]
> (Note: This is a web photo, not mine. What I saw look somewhat like this, 
> but I can't swear to the black legs or black beak -- was too busy trying to 
> keep from falling over into the ditch on the right while dodging huge 
> cottonwoods on the left while negotiating an 18" trail beset by large 
> roots, cutaways, sand, and potholes -- and I suffer from mild acrophobia; 
> any "teetery" situation makes me want to hyperventilate and sweat; and 
> then, the Matthews is not at its best at slow-speed nimbleness.)
>
> 2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly 
> appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques? 
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Robert Tilley]

Nice!  I used to ride from the Poway side out to the lakes and back. Nice area.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA


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Robert, yes, that runs from Santee Lakes up to Sycamore Canyon.  It is my 
understanding from someone who grew up in Santee that they used to run wild in 
there but then the marines cracked down on it.

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Most modified?

[John G.]

At the Nutmeg Nor’Easter a few years ago, I saw a guy with a disc-equipped 
Atlantis. He looked like he was having an excellent time on it.

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[RBW] Re: Most modified?

[Drw]

I have a hunqapillar green atlantis with a disc fork. i've definitely seen 
some more modified bikes than mine though. 

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[RBW] Most modified?

[J L]

One of the things I like about Rivendell is their encouragement of 
individualized setups. What are some examples of permanently modified Riv bikes 
that you all have had, or ridden, or seen? I can think of a few examples.

Anyone have disc tabs on an Atlantis or Appaloosa? 

Anyone weld on a child seat mount? 

Belt drive modification for IGH?

Homebrew tandem? 


Etc. 

Jason
SF Bay Area

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Bill Schairer]

Robert, yes, that runs from Santee Lakes up to Sycamore Canyon.  It is my 
understanding from someone who grew up in Santee that they used to run wild in 
there but then the marines cracked down on it.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

[Birdman]

Thanks all for being such a great sounding board! 

I reached out to the painters about British Racing Green options (single color 
paint job - no cream head tube). I’m open to a subtle metallic version. I also 
asked for a quote on gold lug lining. More soon.

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[RBW] ISO QR skewer to fit 120 mm hub: silver, internal cam, steel, stout; preferably Shimano

[Patrick Moore]

I'm looking for a quality, silver, and pretty skewer that will clamp hard
enough to long, (thickish) plate dropouts to hold the axle in place under
the immense torque of my pedaling.

I believe (be sure to correct me if I am wrong) that 126 mm OL skewers will
work fine, and I would love to have an old Dura Ace skewer like that I have
on my Riv gofast.

Again, must have enough threading to accommodate an axle 6 mm shorter than
that on a 126 mm OL hub. Must be strong, must be silver, must be pretty. If
you have something like this, name your price.

I have been using old internal cam, 135 mm OL XT skewers (those with the
rubber caps on the levers) on my 130 mm OL Riv, and I'll be happy to swap
in full or part trade -- probably part. These do work very well.

BTW, this is for the new Chauncey Riv clone which is to be done with baking
today, I think, so build shortly, God willing. The dropouts look cut from
thickish plate; must ask Chauncey. They're thinner than, say, 1010s, for
the sake of the short axle on the AM hub.

In case it's not clear, the bike is designed to use a fixed wheel as the
main wheel (fixed = main? Of course!) with the AM wheel as an occasional
wheel.

And finally, btw, as to a 120 mm OL fixed hub: narrowed the choice down to
Surly flip flop and the VO fixed fixed; the Surly fixed fixed is no longer
made and not carried by the usual LBS suppliers, apparently. The VO is very
nice, but while it has a hollow axle, it is meant for bolts; and while it
could be cut, the Surly axle is both hollow and internally threaded for 6
mm bolts, in case none of youse come through.

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Steve

Ohhh, I see, I was thinking of the round struts.  You used flat ones.
Yes, they would be thinner than 1/8" plate.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 12:04:26 PM UTC-4, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> John, here is the lowrider with the struts attached that I used on my Troll
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:54 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Steve
>>
>> Can you provide a picture of the strutted mounting???  It seems the 
>> struts would be very short.  Or do you mount the strut to the rack like the 
>> strut to Mark's rack with a drawbolt ??
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:18:00 AM UTC-4, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ve adapted the BG lowriders to several different forks, I usually use 
>>> pieces of rack struts, my lbs always seems to have far more of these than 
>>> they want, and they are very handy for this sort of thing. Steve
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:11 AM Bill Schairer  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John,

 The steel used is 1/2 inch by .14 inch because that is what I had on 
 hand.  I suspect a lighter solution would work, aluminum maybe? I believe 
 my Atlantis is a Waterford bike.  No spacers were required for either 
 bike.  I don’t think it matters if braze-ons are above or below.  On the 
 Atlantis they are higher than the rack and on the tandem below.  The 
 tandem 
 braze-on spacing appears very close to 165 and the Atlantis seems to be 
 220.  The rack appears to be in the 190 range.

 Bill S

 On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:25:01 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> Looks like a great solution and it would seem to work if the fork 
> brazeons were below the rack mounting point, e.g., a BG rack on a fork 
> with 
> 165mm brazeon spacing.
>
> Is the 1st picture the MIT Atlantis??  If so, it clearly shows the 
> braze-ons mounted higher on the fork than most racks require. 
>
> Did you have to use a spacer on the backside so the short connector 
> clears the tube of the rack??
>
> What gauge steel sheet did you use??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:40:25 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> My solution with the BG rack was to “fabricate” (cut a couple short 
>> pieces of steel flat stock and drilled two holes) a short steel 
>> connector 
>> piece from the rack mounting point to the braze on.  I’ve done it on two 
>> different bikes and it has been a rock solid solution that I, 
>> personally, 
>> think is cleaner looking than p-clamps or that tubus thing. I should 
>> think 
>> the same approach could be taken with almost any rack and, to my mind, 
>> is 
>> really no different than all the various mountings of racks with 
>> adjustable 
>> stays that I’ve seen.  I’ve had trouble loading pics recently but I’ll 
>> try 
>> again.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1012.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 2019-07-15_14-42-04-0700.jpeg]
>> Bill S
>>
>> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 1:50:56 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought the 'standard' mounting point on the fork was 165mm from 
>>> the fork dropout.   Bruce Gordon used 7" (178mm) for his front rack, 
>>> and 
>>> Waterford used his spacing in the late 90's and early 2000's.
>>>
>>> The RBW braze-ons look too high to fit the racks without odd looking 
>>> backward tilt.  They should have used 2 braze-ons:  1 for the low rider 
>>> and 
>>> 1 for the front rack (mounted higher),  penny-wise, pound foolish
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Is that lower-rear mount on the fork really for low rider racks? It 
 looks like a high-mount for fender stays to me. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Steve

Can you provide a picture of the strutted mounting???  It seems the struts 
would be very short.  Or do you mount the strut to the rack like the strut 
to Mark's rack with a drawbolt ??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 11:18:00 AM UTC-4, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> I’ve adapted the BG lowriders to several different forks, I usually use 
> pieces of rack struts, my lbs always seems to have far more of these than 
> they want, and they are very handy for this sort of thing. Steve
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:11 AM Bill Schairer  > wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> The steel used is 1/2 inch by .14 inch because that is what I had on 
>> hand.  I suspect a lighter solution would work, aluminum maybe? I believe 
>> my Atlantis is a Waterford bike.  No spacers were required for either 
>> bike.  I don’t think it matters if braze-ons are above or below.  On the 
>> Atlantis they are higher than the rack and on the tandem below.  The tandem 
>> braze-on spacing appears very close to 165 and the Atlantis seems to be 
>> 220.  The rack appears to be in the 190 range.
>>
>> Bill S
>>
>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:25:01 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Looks like a great solution and it would seem to work if the fork 
>>> brazeons were below the rack mounting point, e.g., a BG rack on a fork with 
>>> 165mm brazeon spacing.
>>>
>>> Is the 1st picture the MIT Atlantis??  If so, it clearly shows the 
>>> braze-ons mounted higher on the fork than most racks require. 
>>>
>>> Did you have to use a spacer on the backside so the short connector 
>>> clears the tube of the rack??
>>>
>>> What gauge steel sheet did you use??
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:40:25 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:

 My solution with the BG rack was to “fabricate” (cut a couple short 
 pieces of steel flat stock and drilled two holes) a short steel connector 
 piece from the rack mounting point to the braze on.  I’ve done it on two 
 different bikes and it has been a rock solid solution that I, personally, 
 think is cleaner looking than p-clamps or that tubus thing. I should think 
 the same approach could be taken with almost any rack and, to my mind, is 
 really no different than all the various mountings of racks with 
 adjustable 
 stays that I’ve seen.  I’ve had trouble loading pics recently but I’ll try 
 again.

 [image: IMG_1012.jpeg]

 [image: 2019-07-15_14-42-04-0700.jpeg]
 Bill S

 On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 1:50:56 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> I thought the 'standard' mounting point on the fork was 165mm from the 
> fork dropout.   Bruce Gordon used 7" (178mm) for his front rack, and 
> Waterford used his spacing in the late 90's and early 2000's.
>
> The RBW braze-ons look too high to fit the racks without odd looking 
> backward tilt.  They should have used 2 braze-ons:  1 for the low rider 
> and 
> 1 for the front rack (mounted higher),  penny-wise, pound foolish
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Is that lower-rear mount on the fork really for low rider racks? It 
>> looks like a high-mount for fender stays to me. 
>
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>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

[Steven Sweedler]

I’ve adapted the BG lowriders to several different forks, I usually use
pieces of rack struts, my lbs always seems to have far more of these than
they want, and they are very handy for this sort of thing. Steve

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:11 AM Bill Schairer  wrote:

> John,
>
> The steel used is 1/2 inch by .14 inch because that is what I had on
> hand.  I suspect a lighter solution would work, aluminum maybe? I believe
> my Atlantis is a Waterford bike.  No spacers were required for either
> bike.  I don’t think it matters if braze-ons are above or below.  On the
> Atlantis they are higher than the rack and on the tandem below.  The tandem
> braze-on spacing appears very close to 165 and the Atlantis seems to be
> 220.  The rack appears to be in the 190 range.
>
> Bill S
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:25:01 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Looks like a great solution and it would seem to work if the fork
>> brazeons were below the rack mounting point, e.g., a BG rack on a fork with
>> 165mm brazeon spacing.
>>
>> Is the 1st picture the MIT Atlantis??  If so, it clearly shows the
>> braze-ons mounted higher on the fork than most racks require.
>>
>> Did you have to use a spacer on the backside so the short connector
>> clears the tube of the rack??
>>
>> What gauge steel sheet did you use??
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:40:25 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
>>> My solution with the BG rack was to “fabricate” (cut a couple short
>>> pieces of steel flat stock and drilled two holes) a short steel connector
>>> piece from the rack mounting point to the braze on.  I’ve done it on two
>>> different bikes and it has been a rock solid solution that I, personally,
>>> think is cleaner looking than p-clamps or that tubus thing. I should think
>>> the same approach could be taken with almost any rack and, to my mind, is
>>> really no different than all the various mountings of racks with adjustable
>>> stays that I’ve seen.  I’ve had trouble loading pics recently but I’ll try
>>> again.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1012.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: 2019-07-15_14-42-04-0700.jpeg]
>>> Bill S
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 1:50:56 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:

 I thought the 'standard' mounting point on the fork was 165mm from the
 fork dropout.   Bruce Gordon used 7" (178mm) for his front rack, and
 Waterford used his spacing in the late 90's and early 2000's.

 The RBW braze-ons look too high to fit the racks without odd looking
 backward tilt.  They should have used 2 braze-ons:  1 for the low rider and
 1 for the front rack (mounted higher),  penny-wise, pound foolish

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Is that lower-rear mount on the fork really for low rider racks? It
> looks like a high-mount for fender stays to me.

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[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

[Bill Schairer]

John,

The steel used is 1/2 inch by .14 inch because that is what I had on hand. 
 I suspect a lighter solution would work, aluminum maybe? I believe my 
Atlantis is a Waterford bike.  No spacers were required for either bike.  I 
don’t think it matters if braze-ons are above or below.  On the Atlantis 
they are higher than the rack and on the tandem below.  The tandem braze-on 
spacing appears very close to 165 and the Atlantis seems to be 220.  The 
rack appears to be in the 190 range.

Bill S

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:25:01 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> Looks like a great solution and it would seem to work if the fork brazeons 
> were below the rack mounting point, e.g., a BG rack on a fork with 165mm 
> brazeon spacing.
>
> Is the 1st picture the MIT Atlantis??  If so, it clearly shows the 
> braze-ons mounted higher on the fork than most racks require. 
>
> Did you have to use a spacer on the backside so the short connector clears 
> the tube of the rack??
>
> What gauge steel sheet did you use??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:40:25 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> My solution with the BG rack was to “fabricate” (cut a couple short 
>> pieces of steel flat stock and drilled two holes) a short steel connector 
>> piece from the rack mounting point to the braze on.  I’ve done it on two 
>> different bikes and it has been a rock solid solution that I, personally, 
>> think is cleaner looking than p-clamps or that tubus thing. I should think 
>> the same approach could be taken with almost any rack and, to my mind, is 
>> really no different than all the various mountings of racks with adjustable 
>> stays that I’ve seen.  I’ve had trouble loading pics recently but I’ll try 
>> again.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1012.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 2019-07-15_14-42-04-0700.jpeg]
>> Bill S
>>
>> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 1:50:56 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought the 'standard' mounting point on the fork was 165mm from the 
>>> fork dropout.   Bruce Gordon used 7" (178mm) for his front rack, and 
>>> Waterford used his spacing in the late 90's and early 2000's.
>>>
>>> The RBW braze-ons look too high to fit the racks without odd looking 
>>> backward tilt.  They should have used 2 braze-ons:  1 for the low rider and 
>>> 1 for the front rack (mounted higher),  penny-wise, pound foolish
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Is that lower-rear mount on the fork really for low rider racks? It 
 looks like a high-mount for fender stays to me. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Tubulars on Rivendells

[Ryan M.]

The only experience I've had  with tubulars are on a cyclocross bike and I 
thought they were the bomb. I did not like gluing them and felt the hassle 
of that was too much for me, but I felt they rode pretty nicely on a 
cyclocross course. I'm tubeless now when I can, except on the road. I've 
had several bad experiences with tubeless on modern road bikes. 

The Roadeo is such an awesome frame and makes a really nice road bike. 
That's a beautiful bike.

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:08:11 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A few things came together and prompted me to build up a tubular wheelset 
> for my Roadeo.  The rims are vintage MAVIC GL330s, and the tires are super 
> sweet Veloflex Vlaanderen which measure a true 27mm.  Now my Roadeo tips 
> the scales at a legit <20 lbs.  I am keeping my clincher wheelset as well, 
> but DANG, this bike is fast with supple tubulars.  
>
> Photo proves I rode The Three Bears on tubulars for the first time in 20 
> years.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/49815410327
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Supernova E3 wiring to Schimdt Son hub

[Paul M]

Awesome. Thank you!

On Sunday, 14 June 2020 04:23:26 UTC-7, Peter White wrote:
>
> Polarity only matters between the headlight and the taillight. So use the 
> red and blue wires to connect to the taillight. The taillight must be a 
> Supernova brand. Use the two black wires to connect to the hub dynamo.
>
> Peter White
>
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 8:10 PM Paul M > 
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody know the proper wiring for an older Supernova E3 headlight to a 
>> Schimdt /Sondelux  hub with 2 male spade connectors?  The Supernova 
>> headlight has 2 wire bundles with one containing 2 black wires and the 
>> other bundle containing 1 red and 1 blue. Took this off a bicycle years ago 
>> and forgot the wiring sequence.  Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill

Looks like a great solution and it would seem to work if the fork brazeons 
were below the rack mounting point, e.g., a BG rack on a fork with 165mm 
brazeon spacing.

Is the 1st picture the MIT Atlantis??  If so, it clearly shows the 
braze-ons mounted higher on the fork than most racks require. 

Did you have to use a spacer on the backside so the short connector clears 
the tube of the rack??

What gauge steel sheet did you use??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:40:25 AM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> My solution with the BG rack was to “fabricate” (cut a couple short pieces 
> of steel flat stock and drilled two holes) a short steel connector piece 
> from the rack mounting point to the braze on.  I’ve done it on two 
> different bikes and it has been a rock solid solution that I, personally, 
> think is cleaner looking than p-clamps or that tubus thing. I should think 
> the same approach could be taken with almost any rack and, to my mind, is 
> really no different than all the various mountings of racks with adjustable 
> stays that I’ve seen.  I’ve had trouble loading pics recently but I’ll try 
> again.
>
> [image: IMG_1012.jpeg]
>
> [image: 2019-07-15_14-42-04-0700.jpeg]
> Bill S
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 1:50:56 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> I thought the 'standard' mounting point on the fork was 165mm from the 
>> fork dropout.   Bruce Gordon used 7" (178mm) for his front rack, and 
>> Waterford used his spacing in the late 90's and early 2000's.
>>
>> The RBW braze-ons look too high to fit the racks without odd looking 
>> backward tilt.  They should have used 2 braze-ons:  1 for the low rider and 
>> 1 for the front rack (mounted higher),  penny-wise, pound foolish
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Is that lower-rear mount on the fork really for low rider racks? It 
>>> looks like a high-mount for fender stays to me. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Doug Hansford]

Jason,
Which bars are you using on your Clem?
Doug Hansford

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 1:48:29 AM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Puttered around on the Clem for a bit this afternoon - can't say I aired 
> any of these jumps!
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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Doug Hansford]

Getting air on a Clem would be a feat indeed! That green is the best color 
for a Clem I think, with Grilver a close second. I'm enjoying all of these 
posts.
Doug Hansford

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>
> Puttered around on the Clem for a bit this afternoon - can't say I aired 
> any of these jumps!
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

[Matt B.]

Bark brown looks great on a bike, and would accentuate the gold and cream 
bat-wing decals nicely.   +1 regarding no contrasting headtube.   


On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 10:36:22 AM UTC-4, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hey Bunch, 
>
> The bottom bracket shell replacement on my Quickbeam is going well and it 
> will be headed to wet paint at Black Magic Paint next week. I could use 
> some advice. 
>
> For a while I had planned on going with a version of Mark’s custom pink. 
> Next I was convinced that it should be a PurpleRiv purple. Then I settled 
> on a very slightly metallic British Racing Green, as an homage to the 
> original QB green and the to Ents the world over. 
>
> Now that the time has come, I’m not so sure anymore. Also, I’m slightly 
> color blind, so colors are not my strong suit. 
>
> Design constraints: 
> 1. I can go with a single coat, or add a 2nd color for the head tube. 
> 2. It will sport the original decals and head badge (gold with cream). 
> 3. I want it to be a color that’s in keeping with the Riv aesthetic and 
> color pallet. 
>
> Any thoughts or recommendations? 
>
> Isaac in Portland OR

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Re: [RBW] Supernova E3 wiring to Schimdt Son hub

[Peter White]

Polarity only matters between the headlight and the taillight. So use the
red and blue wires to connect to the taillight. The taillight must be a
Supernova brand. Use the two black wires to connect to the hub dynamo.

Peter White

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 8:10 PM Paul M  wrote:

> Anybody know the proper wiring for an older Supernova E3 headlight to a
> Schimdt /Sondelux  hub with 2 male spade connectors?  The Supernova
> headlight has 2 wire bundles with one containing 2 black wires and the
> other bundle containing 1 red and 1 blue. Took this off a bicycle years ago
> and forgot the wiring sequence.  Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

[Jason Braaten]

Purple or Robbins Egg blue would be my choice.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

[Joe Bernard]

And I will add - adding to what Bill said about what I said - that in the end 
we are just sounding boards. It's YOUR bike and you get to paint it YOUR color. 
My friend I said was my sounding board, the one I badgered for months and we 
discussed a bunch of different ideas? At the last minute I picked a scheme we 
NEVER mentioned 

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[RBW] Re: Dirt droppish questions for smallish impulse buy

[Lucky]

Well, while I can (likely) do this (pending checking out the process to put 
pics here) I can also say that the bikes that fit me are nothing like this 
bike in geometry/layout...so that's possibly unhelpful? 

This is a 19" RockCombo, and I ride an 18" MB-1 and a 53cm Atlantis. My 
MB-1 is set up with Titec riser bars and the Atlantis with Albatross bars 
and an 80mm dirtdrop stem. 

But, if you want to look at bike pics, I can do that. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

[Bill Lindsay]

When I think "Quickbeam" I think metallic silver.  When I think "Quickbeam, 
but the other color" then I think orange.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 8:48:55 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> But green kills on a Quickbeam. It's almost *supposed* to be that color. 

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[RBW] Re: Dirt droppish questions for smallish impulse buy

[Bill Lindsay]

Pictures of the target bike is step 1
Photos of the bike(s) that actually fit you is step 2

Looking forward to it...
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 10:02:31 PM UTC-7, Lucky wrote:
>
> Greetings all, allow me to introduce myself as I never really have, but 
> now I need advice and figure I’m more likely to get it with a proper hallo 
> first. 
> I got into Bridgestones in my teens (late 80’s early 90’s) and eventually 
> Rivendell, as is often the way. I like steel bikes of this aesthetic and 
> currently in the garage have an early Atlantis, my college race bike MB-1, 
> Bianchi San Jose with a porteur bar, and so on. I like sitting up now due 
> to a variety of injuries I have incurred over the years. 
> So today I did that thing we all do occasionally, which was purchase a 
> bike I’ve coveted for years: a nearly all original Specialized RockCombo, 
> knowing it wouldn’t fit right. Now. I know that I’m between sizes in 
> RockCombos, and also that they’re pretty scarce, so I bought this one which 
> is just a hair small. But...not really, with the stock bar. But I dislike 
> this bar. 
>
> Finally! The point of my rambling. Since I brought the bike home I have 
> tried the following bars with stock stem, in lieu of the too narrow stock 
> Specialized BB dirt drop: MTB riser, Northroad, Mustache, VO Porteur...none 
> of these are right. The bike was made for a dirt drop and I want to sit up 
> so...what are my options? (Besides selling, smarty pants) 
> Another consideration is the stem is 80mm so I could grab some length that 
> way. 
> Anyhow, thoughts on various bars please? 
>
> Appreciate any input.

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