Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[kim young]

Flag cranks are sold.
Thanks everyone.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 10:32 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Ray, I think the simplest path is to get a 73mm Shimano UN55 in a spindle
> length that seems workable with the frame and cranks you have..I found
> several lengths available with a quick search. It'll be a bit of a guessing
> game of holding the cranks up to your new frame and eyeing how much
> distance you need from the BB shell, I have a drawer full of bottom
> brackets to show for when the guess is wrong. Heck, I may even have a 73mm
> BB in there somebody can use!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Kent Peterson -- Eugene, Oregon]

The frames themselves are sized. The length of the maintube, seatmast, and stem 
riser are all custom specified. Things like Rohloff dropouts and special cable 
guides and braze-ons can be specified as well.

These steps involve real conversations with real people, not just filling out a 
form on a website. Especially now with global disruptions to the supply chains 
& various businesses being temporarily (and in some cases permanently) closed, 
actual conversations are needed to accurately figure out what can and can't be 
done and in what time frame.

If you want a Rivendell or a Bike Friday or any other bike with any degree of 
customization, call up and talk to a human.

Kent Peterson
Eugene, OR USA

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Brown v. Black

[The Snag]

The black one is going to feel exactly the same as the brown one.

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Joe Bernard]

They did a cosmetic attempt recently with a sand/orange color scheme, a nifty 
front bag and spares you can take along on your big Brompton expedition, but it 
was the same 6-speed M or H model. It looked cool! 

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Drw]

I keep hoping brompton is gonna get a model out that capitalizes on the gravel 
wave before it dies down. The brompton fold is pretty amazing. I feel like it 
wouldn’t be super hard to get us more tire clearance or to release a 20” model. 
Wishful thinking. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Jay Lonner]

Thanks for taking the time to do this and report back. I love the picture
of the Brompton, BF, and Atlantis lined up next to one another!

I'm increasingly leaning toward BF as being the best all-around compromise
for my needs. The quick fold option seems just fine for throwing in the
back of a car or stowing belowdecks on a boat cruise. The more extensive
breakdown is workable for infrequent overseas travel.

Your friend's bikes are tempting, but over the years I've spent a lot of
money trying to save a buck buying used gear. When I factor in the costs of
retrofitting my preferred components/gearing I suspect that I'll be better
off just ordering new. Part of this has to do with how custom the bikes
truly are though - on their ordering page BF gives the impression that
their frames are custom built to your unique dimensions and specifications.
Now if their idea of custom sizing is using an off-the-rack frame and
swapping in seatposts and stems to suit then I may have to revisit this
idea. Kent, perhaps you could weigh in here?

I find myself with a free week of vacation this August due to other plans
falling through thanks to Covid. I am thinking of setting up an appointment
and driving to Eugene for a personalized consultation and fitting. Good
idea or overkill do you think? I just noticed that BF is offering a 20%
discount for frames delivered this fall, so if I can get in on that I may
just go for it.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 10:24 AM Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> Jay, this thread got me interested in doing a comparison. I own a
> Brompton, and have a good friend with a Bike Friday NWT. I asked him if i
> could borrow the BF for a few extended test rides and comparison -- he said
> sure.
>
> I've now done a few short rides on the BF, and think it rides well --
> perhaps a bit more responsive than my Brompton, but pretty comparable.
>
> I then compared the relative fit of both to my 68 cm Atlantis (I'm on the
> outer edge of small folder fit) -- I was surprised to note that the seat,
> feet, and hands positions are all fairly close for my setups.
>
> The BF and Brompton are a very small amount shorter than the Atlantis in
> saddle to bar distance, although both could be tweaked a little. I will
> note that for me both the Brompton and BF fit and ride far better than
> other folders I've tried (DaHon, etc.) -- I think in in large part because
> they are not too far off "regular" bike fit on the three contact points.
> YMMV.
>
> I've attached a photo that sort of shows the comparison.
>
> IMHO, the Brompton is amazing for quick, compact folds -- so if folding is
> something you'd do a time or two a day it's the way to go. The BF is very
> nicely made, and seems to be a very nice machine.
>
> FWIW, my friend has this one (a large) and a smaller (medium) blue one,
> both in pristine condition with cases, and I think he's possibly ready to
> move them along (they no longer do bike travel) -- if anyone has interest I
> can enquire and post more on them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
>
> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:41:28 PM UTC-5, Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>> I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our
>> intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British
>> Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so
>> I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive
>> marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy.
>>
>> It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers
>> to 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents
>> and detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly,
>> avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks,
>> fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy
>> performance.
>>
>> While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim
>> brakes and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed
>> travel bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something
>> bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability,
>> especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards
>> designs that utilize a Rohloff hub.
>>
>> Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do
>> within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a
>> consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an
>> extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.)
>>
>> Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope!
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Joe Bernard]

"...while for Joe, it seems foldability is more important."

Yes, and I started at the OP wanting a travel bike he could occasionally toss 
(two of them) into a dinghy. That sounds like "compact and easy to fold" to me, 
but everyone has their own tolerance of how big and complex a fold can be. 
After owning a dozen (at least) different folders my tolerance is 
smallest/easiest! 

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

[Paul Richardson]

swan stem lookin great.
>
> love the photos as always.  thanks for sharing.

paul
takoma park, md.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Useful use for beeswax

[Dorothy C]

I have recipe for a hand salve / lip balm.  One ounce of grated beeswax, 1 
ounce of jojoba oil and 2 ounces of red palm fruit oil. Warm gently in a double 
boiler until melted and stir together. You can add a few drops of essential oil 
like lavender, or chamomile. Store in a 4 ounce canning jar, or small lotion 
jar. Rub between hands to soften. 
I was able to greatly reduce the inflammation and potential scarring from a 
grease burn on my hand  by using some lavender infused balm for about a week 
after the burn had had time to cool. 

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Bill Schairer]

Julian,

That sort of confirms my suspicion.  Six speeds wouldn’t do it for me.  I 
want range and smallish steps which is why all my bikes are 3x.  1x doesn’t 
interest me, 2x I hate.  In the end I can play with my BF gearing just as 
much as any of my other bikes and so it can always sub in.  For me, it is 
that versatility that is most important, while for Joe, it seems 
foldability is more important.  The joys of having choices!

Bill S

I can get this guy down into the teens:

[image: 393A0E84-8EAD-4910-AB4E-932F36C118B8.jpeg]


On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 4:01:34 PM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> Bill, 
>
> I think that depends upon how you have both bikes set up. The Brompton is 
> available with 1to 6 gears, and i think the BF is available with 1 to 21 
> gears, with widely varying ratios., 
>
> In my case I have a 6-speed Brompton (3-speed internal plus a 2 speed 
> freewheel), my friend's BF has 18 gears (3 speed internal plus a 9 speed 
> cassette). I've not checked the actual gear inch range of both, but my seat 
> of the pants feeling is that the overall range is similar, but with bigger 
> jumps between gears on the Brompton, and that both have pretty wide range 
> gearing suitable for most types of terrain one would likely encounter -- 
> similar to what i'd regard as a well set up "regular" bike. 
>
> It is of course possible to get either with very different gearing, so...
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> Julian, 
>> Do the Bromptons have the same gear range as the BF?  The only folder 
>> I’ve ever ridden is my BF NWT with gearing range comparable to my “regular” 
>> bikes.  I’ve been under the impression, possibly false, that most folders 
>> don’t have that capability.  As far as folding and unfolding, I have no 
>> comparisons to make but, as I mentioned earlier, I folded and unfolded my 
>> BF every day when I used it for a commuter, which is to say it was easy 
>> enough that it didn’t discourage use.  I believe mine even required an 
>> additional step from the normal process.  Now, if I were to go out and try 
>> to fold mine now, I would fumble around a bit but if one is doing it 
>> regularly, it really isn’t any big deal. 
>>
>> Bill S
>
>

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, lads! Doug, my tires are tubed 2.8" Nobby Niks (pretty supple). I 
inflate the rear to 20 lbs and ride till it needs more.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Julian Westerhout]

In my relatively short tests I  was surprised how similar both the Brompton 
and BF felt to me -- the smaller wheel and narrower tire on the Brompton 
gave a bit more bumpiness, but the elastomer rear end on the Brompton 
smoothed that out. I was expecting a bigger =difference -- but at least in 
my case i found both a pleasure to ride and neither of them created any 
"geez, what am I doing" moments. If you are a large fellow like me you will 
look like a curcus bear on ewither one -- but that's not bad -- both bikes 
drew equally large numbers of smiles and friendly comments from folks on 
the MUT. 

I cannot comment of 40+ mile rides loaded on either, but I'd imagine I'd be 
good on either one. For me the difference would probably come down to how 
often i'd want to fold it and how quickly -- if the fold is key the 
Brompton is hard to beat. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> But of course - circling back to the OP - Brompton is a great folder that 
> rides. Bike Friday is a better bike for long distance that can also be 
> folded and packed. I'm not doing 40 miles on my Brompton, and probably not 
> 10. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Robert Tilley]

  The standard 6 speed Brompton has a gear range of 33 - 100 gear inches so just above a 300% range. The -12% runs 29 - 88 gear inches. I have one of each of those currently.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: westerh...@gmail.comSent: June 21, 2020 4:01 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes  Bill, I think that depends upon how you have both bikes set up. The Brompton is available with 1to 6 gears, and i think the BF is available with 1 to 21 gears, with widely varying ratios., In my case I have a 6-speed Brompton (3-speed internal plus a 2 speed freewheel), my friend's BF has 18 gears (3 speed internal plus a 9 speed cassette). I've not checked the actual gear inch range of both, but my seat of the pants feeling is that the overall range is similar, but with bigger jumps between gears on the Brompton, and that both have pretty wide range gearing suitable for most types of terrain one would likely encounter -- similar to what i'd regard as a well set up "regular" bike. It is of course possible to get either with very different gearing, so...Julian WesterhoutBloomington, IL On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:Julian, 
Do the Bromptons have the same gear range as the BF?  The only folder I’ve ever ridden is my BF NWT with gearing range comparable to my “regular” bikes.  I’ve been under the impression, possibly false, that most folders don’t have that capability.  As far as folding and unfolding, I have no comparisons to make but, as I mentioned earlier, I folded and unfolded my BF every day when I used it for a commuter, which is to say it was easy enough that it didn’t discourage use.  I believe mine even required an additional step from the normal process.  Now, if I were to go out and try to fold mine now, I would fumble around a bit but if one is doing it regularly, it really isn’t any big deal.

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[RBW] End-of-Spring Rides

[Bill Schairer]

I always look forward to your shots!

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Re: Useful use for beeswax

[Craig Montgomery]

Hey, just another Day in the Life of Boy Blunder. If I hadn't  been chewing
on that Jolly Roger while I was riding it wouldn't have happened! I've got
another one about a pair of pliers, a lighter, and a needle but your wives
will wonder why you fainted at the keyboard.

Craig "Keep'em Comin'" in Tucson

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 9:07 PM Craig Montgomery 
wrote:

> Touring a backroad in Central AZ. 2 day's ride from anywhere. Lost a
> filling. Had a chunk of Grant's Original Beeswax in my kit. Took out my
> trusty Swiss Army knife and heated up a pea-sized piece with the magnifying
> glass. Pushed it into the hole. Stayed there for a week and half till I
> could get to my dentist. He was duly impressed.
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 1:10:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I bought one of the original Dixie Cups of beeswax from Rivendell as long
>> as 20 or 25 years ago, and could never find a real use for it: Loctite is
>> easier and works perfectly for threads, I prefer the way the little
>> squishable aluminum end caps look on cable ends, and Johnson's Paste Wax or
>> the lotion I use on my leather chairs works better for my (Flite) saddles.
>>
>> Long ago I mixed the wax with olive oil thinking that it might make a
>> good leather dressing, tho' an excessively chi chi one (don't use edible
>> products on your bicycle, I say), but it didn't work as well as the above.
>>
>> I later for some reason mixed it with Vaseline, and then it sat for a
>> decade or more.
>>
>> Well! I've found a truly useful use for it! Butch Wax!
>>
>> Ever since I stopped wearing my hair in a pony tail about 5 years ago
>> I've been having it cut to about 1/2" on top and whitewalls on the side, to
>> last 8 weeks with minor trimming. But the top hair won't stay down until
>> it's 1.5" long or so, and sleeping on it makes it look messy. Whence the
>> desire for Butch Wax. No longer made, but a week or so ago I had an
>> epiphany: use the beeswax + Vaseline mix for Butch Wax. It works quite well.
>>
>> (No paraffin devotional candles In the Orthodox church, where paraffin is
>> canonically limited to waxing chains. But the beeswax candle ends provide a
>> never-ending supply of wax for secular purposes.)
>>
>> Thought you'd like to know.
>>
>> What do *you* use beeswax for, besides devotional candles?
>>
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Julian Westerhout]

Bill, 

I think that depends upon how you have both bikes set up. The Brompton is 
available with 1to 6 gears, and i think the BF is available with 1 to 21 
gears, with widely varying ratios., 

In my case I have a 6-speed Brompton (3-speed internal plus a 2 speed 
freewheel), my friend's BF has 18 gears (3 speed internal plus a 9 speed 
cassette). I've not checked the actual gear inch range of both, but my seat 
of the pants feeling is that the overall range is similar, but with bigger 
jumps between gears on the Brompton, and that both have pretty wide range 
gearing suitable for most types of terrain one would likely encounter -- 
similar to what i'd regard as a well set up "regular" bike. 

It is of course possible to get either with very different gearing, so...

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 





On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Julian, 
> Do the Bromptons have the same gear range as the BF?  The only folder I’ve 
> ever ridden is my BF NWT with gearing range comparable to my “regular” 
> bikes.  I’ve been under the impression, possibly false, that most folders 
> don’t have that capability.  As far as folding and unfolding, I have no 
> comparisons to make but, as I mentioned earlier, I folded and unfolded my 
> BF every day when I used it for a commuter, which is to say it was easy 
> enough that it didn’t discourage use.  I believe mine even required an 
> additional step from the normal process.  Now, if I were to go out and try 
> to fold mine now, I would fumble around a bit but if one is doing it 
> regularly, it really isn’t any big deal. 
>
> Bill S

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[RBW] End-of-Spring Rides

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

The mud chain flower was the prettiest, it's my state plant. Very very nice.
-Kai

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

[Doug Hansford]

Deacon,
Thank you for sharing. I enjoyed every photo. Nature is truly a gift and 
exploring by bicycle must be the most efficient and perfect way to wander. 
I couldn't help but admire your two-finger coffee cup. What tire pressure 
do you use when riding trails like these? 
Doug Hansford

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 6:02:51 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which snows become rains garnished with crisp, misty mornings that warm 
> to wide open, deep blue skies and the fluttering swoops of butterflies.
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/end-of-spring-rides
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Joe Bernard]

There it is! I don't know if GP had any hand in the geometry but the high bars 
and component list are certainly mid-'00s Riv Country Bike stuff, which still 
wasn't a widespread thing back then. 

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[eddietheflay]

the Dahon Tournado was rumored to have had input from Grant:

https://www.fawkes-cycles.co.uk/1547710/products/dahon-tournado-700c-bike.aspx

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our 
> intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British 
> Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so 
> I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive 
> marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy.
>
> It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers to 
> 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents and 
> detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, 
> avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, 
> fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy 
> performance. 
>
> While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim brakes 
> and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed travel 
> bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something 
> bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, 
> especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards 
> designs that utilize a Rohloff hub.
>
> Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do 
> within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a 
> consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an 
> extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.)
>
> Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope!
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
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[RBW] End-of-Spring Rides

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In which snows become rains garnished with crisp, misty mornings that warm to 
wide open, deep blue skies and the fluttering swoops of butterflies.

https://deaconpatrick.org/end-of-spring-rides

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Joe Bernard]

But of course - circling back to the OP - Brompton is a great folder that 
rides. Bike Friday is a better bike for long distance that can also be folded 
and packed. I'm not doing 40 miles on my Brompton, and probably not 10. 

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Joe Bernard]

What I found fiddly to the point of unlivable with my NWT (derailer model) when 
folding was it was a project to keep the chain on, and the stem/mast just 
popped off and you rested it on the bike. Brompton folds efficiently and 
startlingly small into one easy-carry package. 

I wouldn't claim - and don't know the numbers - that a 6-speed Brommie has the 
full gear range of a BF triple, but it's a pretty wide range. My Brom has a 
smaller than standard chainring to climb my hill and the top gear is still 
taller than I usually ride.  

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Bill Schairer]

Julian, 
Do the Bromptons have the same gear range as the BF?  The only folder I’ve ever 
ridden is my BF NWT with gearing range comparable to my “regular” bikes.  I’ve 
been under the impression, possibly false, that most folders don’t have that 
capability.  As far as folding and unfolding, I have no comparisons to make 
but, as I mentioned earlier, I folded and unfolded my BF every day when I used 
it for a commuter, which is to say it was easy enough that it didn’t discourage 
use.  I believe mine even required an additional step from the normal process.  
Now, if I were to go out and try to fold mine now, I would fumble around a bit 
but if one is doing it regularly, it really isn’t any big deal.

Bill S

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[RBW] Re: Fatty Rumpkin tire opinions, experiences.

[RichS]

Ryan,

My brief experience with the FRs was with the "light" version. I think they 
would be fine as an all road tire on a fenderless bike. One caveat: if you 
run them with metal fenders the dimples in the tires pick up even the 
finest gravel or gritty material making for an irritating ride. Can't 
comment on them coupled with plastic fenders. 

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 3:37:08 PM UTC-4, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> I have some Schwalbe G one Allround tires on my Appaloosa but they are the 
> 57mm wide variety. Now, these do fit, but the rear is a bit close to the 
> chainstays...basically a couple of mm's on each side is the clearance. They 
> work, are nice tires and are comfy but I'm beginning to wear them out and 
> have always been a little concerned with the clearance when out in stickier 
> muddy stuff.. I'm thinking about my next tire set and have been eyeballing 
> the Fatty Rumpkins, lighter variety as a replacement. I like the tan 
> sidewall and they look like they can handle some stuff. I think I rode 
> these back in the day on a Sam Hillborne I had, but just cannot remember 
> how they felt or if I was impressed or not with them. So, I ask you...
>
> What are your experiences with Fatty Rumpkins?  Would you recommend them 
> as an allroad tire? I basically have been riding the Appaloosa on pavement 
> and gravel roads, so the tire needs to be cool with that kind of surfaces. 
> I could always go with a Rene Herse tire too, but thought since I'm making 
> an order through Riv I would check out what they got in stock.  What do you 
> think?
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[RBW] Fatty Rumpkin tire opinions, experiences.

[Valerie Yates]

I loved them on my Sam Hillborne. They transitioned seamlessly from pavement, 
to dirt roads, to trails with patches of gravel and sand. I never had to think 
about them. They replaced rock ‘n roads, which sounded loud and felt grabby in 
the corners. I had the robust version and had no complaints about weight or 
speed. When I sold the bike, I said I’d be happy to drop the price a bit and 
keep the tires but the new owner really liked them too so I sold it complete. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Useful use for beeswax

[Lyman Labry]

Oh man.  I agree.  Wish I’d had beeswax for a similar experience.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 12:48 PM Ray Varella 
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> Hands down, Craig wins.
> There’s nothing else to see here.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Useful use for beeswax

[Ray Varella]

Hands down, Craig wins. 
There’s nothing else to see here. 

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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[Joe Bernard]

Ray, I think the simplest path is to get a 73mm Shimano UN55 in a spindle 
length that seems workable with the frame and cranks you have..I found several 
lengths available with a quick search. It'll be a bit of a guessing game of 
holding the cranks up to your new frame and eyeing how much distance you need 
from the BB shell, I have a drawer full of bottom brackets to show for when the 
guess is wrong. Heck, I may even have a 73mm BB in there somebody can use! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Useful use for beeswax

[Patrick Moore]

+1

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 5:33 AM Kent Peterson -- Eugene, Oregon <
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> OK, I think Craig just won this thread. His dentist isn't the only one who
> is impressed.
>
> Red Green would approve. "If the women don't find you handsome, they
> should at least find you handy."
>
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[RBW] Brooks Brown v. Black

[MCT]

I am usually a brown color for Brooks saddles, but black works better with this 
frame color.  Good luck with the choice.  Either way you have a rad bike. 

Matt in OKC

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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks, Eric; thanks, Ray. I just found an April 22nd post about Scott 
Davis, and so can get them via him or his ebay site, as well as the Compass 
tires.  I ride Barlow Pass 38s on the Legolas, and like them very much.

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to have 
> been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still be 
> obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  
>
> Sam Hillborne
> Legolas
> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
> '94 RBT
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Re: [RBW] Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Ray Varella]

Tom,
Scott Davis from Minneapolis regularly gets shipments from them. 
He just posted about this a week or two ago. 

Ray

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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[Ray Varella]

Thanks Kim,
I have a lot of parts here, I would seriously consider one of these frames if 
my cranks were compatible. 

Thanks Alex, I’ll keep an eye out for pictures. 
Would Phil Wood bottom brackets or at least their rings on a cartridge bb 
simplify things?

Cheers
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Re: [RBW] Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Compass Stampede Pass is very similar.

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> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Tom Goodmann  wrote:
> 
> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to have 
> been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still be 
> obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  
> 
> Sam Hillborne
> Legolas
> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
> '94 RBT
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[RBW] Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Tom Goodmann]

I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to have 
been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still be 
obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
(Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  

Sam Hillborne
Legolas
Goodrich-built 650b prototype
'94 RBT

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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[kim young]

O...Ok. Thank you Alex.

(Indeed-Happy Father’s Day to all the great dads on here.)

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 5:37 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
4824...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You gentlemen are all right.  I actually have about six different
> brands/combinations of square taper BBs that I will experiment with.  I
> hope to memorialize that process in a blog post so stay tuned.
>
>
> Since the drive side cup/BB is the same on the Shimano UN55 for either 68
> or 73mm modelsthey are stealing the cup-only from a shorter 73mm bottom
> bracket because Shimano doesn't make an off-the-shelf 73mm spindle length
> long enough for most cranks/this bike.
>
> Essentially the adjustable cup from the 73mm variants is "deeper" so that
> the cup reaches the bearing and fully supports it.
>
> On some other brands the adjustable cup doesn't have a lip preventing it
> from traveling inside the bottom bracket (Shimano does).  You can cheat the
> system this way on other brands and use a 68mm BB in a 73mm shell, but it
> makes your cranks a little off-center.
>
> I also scored a NOS three piece Tange BB that *might* be the right length.
>
> All of these different scenarios have to factor in your tire sizethe
> bigger you go, your chainline gets pushed outward which can start
> eliminating certain crank options.
>
> Hopefully I can make all of this easier to understand in picturesI'm
> not really doing it justice in writing.
>
>
> Happy Father's Day to all you bike dads out there 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Seen some Gus builds, no Susies yet....

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

You gentlemen are all right.  I actually have about six different 
brands/combinations of square taper BBs that I will experiment with.  I 
hope to memorialize that process in a blog post so stay tuned.


Since the drive side cup/BB is the same on the Shimano UN55 for either 68 
or 73mm modelsthey are stealing the cup-only from a shorter 73mm bottom 
bracket because Shimano doesn't make an off-the-shelf 73mm spindle length 
long enough for most cranks/this bike.

Essentially the adjustable cup from the 73mm variants is "deeper" so that 
the cup reaches the bearing and fully supports it.

On some other brands the adjustable cup doesn't have a lip preventing it 
from traveling inside the bottom bracket (Shimano does).  You can cheat the 
system this way on other brands and use a 68mm BB in a 73mm shell, but it 
makes your cranks a little off-center.

I also scored a NOS three piece Tange BB that *might* be the right length.

All of these different scenarios have to factor in your tire sizethe 
bigger you go, your chainline gets pushed outward which can start 
eliminating certain crank options.

Hopefully I can make all of this easier to understand in picturesI'm 
not really doing it justice in writing.


Happy Father's Day to all you bike dads out there 


Alex Wirth in Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Useful use for beeswax

[Kent Peterson -- Eugene, Oregon]

OK, I think Craig just won this thread. His dentist isn't the only one who is 
impressed.

Red Green would approve. "If the women don't find you handsome, they should at 
least find you handy."

Kent Peterson
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