Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Leah Peterson]

Friends,

I really appreciate what I’ve learned from you on this List; I owe you all a 
great deal for the strides I’ve made - when I started I didn’t even know I 
could raise my handlebars. I just like liked riding the bike and accepted 
whatever parts/form the bike had when I bought it. So, hear me well when I say 
I have affection and appreciation for you. 

That said, it would please me very much if you would review my initial post at 
the top of this thread. It was a straightforward WTB post. Somehow, it has 
become a question of why (which I don’t mind answering) I want a new rack, then 
a debate about other racks that would be better. I should change my taillight, 
I should use a front rack, then it was decided I should have no rack at all, 
and then you concluded I should try a wide variety of bags. Some threads invite 
opinion, but I’ve re-read my OP several times and can’t figure out how this was 
one of them.

Meanwhile, I’ve had people (plural!) PM me saying they have this rack, and then 
back out and decide to keep it. I tried to redirect this thread by not engaging 
in it, and not only did the posts keep coming, but you began adding them to my 
other thread about my Platypus. 

I’ve had to ask myself what is it about me that is inviting this kind of 
behavior? Is this how everyone else is treated on the List? I think not, and I 
suspect we all know why.

Do better. Because you ARE better. I truly believe that.
Leah



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> On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:23 PM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> I have one of the Realm TBD bags as well (and might get another) They are 
> good and really versatile. I use mine on my BMX cruiser, it fits the BMX bars 
> ever so well. BONUS: the Drip Camo colorway is the best!!  
> 
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:50:12 AM UTC-6 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I just got a ~9L bag that works on both saddle and handlebars that I'm very 
>> happy with. Fits everything I need for a multi hour ride and doesn't use a 
>> ton of space between wheel and saddle loops.
>> 
>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0bGqkRUiGbnlMH;8B8FC7DD-DE70-4E28-9117-45759EB6E822
>> 
>> This one is a Dark Realm TBD bag, but I think the important feature is that 
>> it has a rigid plastic liner that keeps its shape. Lots of bag makers do 
>> similar ones
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[lconley]

Pretty bikes.

As for the rack, I say:
1. Use the one you have.
2. Cut/grind off the tail light tab.
3. Then 
a. twine and shellac the rear of the rack (similar to a kickstand) 
or
b. use your matching nail polish on the rear of the rack
to hide the tab-ectomy.

Laing

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:43:22 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Congratulations again on the new bike, and please let us see full-profile, 
> high-resolution photos; seriously, I think this is one of the top-10 
> prettiest Rivs ever posted on this list.
>
> As to the rack/no rack conundrum, I suggest rack + nice panniers (Ely, 
> formerly of this list?, makes very nice ones), and please, no Wald basket 
> on this bike. Baskets have their place, but they should stick to it.
>
> Will someone please create a "Prettiest Rivendell" archive?
>
> Bicycling against strong winds builds character and instills humility.
>
> Patrick Moore, who just rode home from downtown against a real but, in 
> truth, relatively modest headwind (72" fixed gear, though).
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:20 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> I’m stepping away from the hand-wringing this thread has become and 
>> instead am posting a photo of my two Rivendells. I picked up the pair at 
>> the LBS yesterday and I felt the happiness brim over the edge of my heart 
>> when I saw them. It’s the first time they’ve been together, as they’ve both 
>> been in the shop opposite of each other until today. I brought the Platypus 
>> with me for one final adjustment (they had my left shifter pointing 
>> vertically at the ground and I had to let go of the bar and wrench the 
>> shifter into compliance; now it’s a proper thumbie as Riv intended) so I 
>> got to see the pair of them on my rack. 
>>
>> Of course it’s much too windy to ride them today (biking in wind is a 
>> punishment, if you ask me), but I can look at them, and that’s not nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:08 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>
>> I think the polishing on the rims is AFTER the anodizing, to clean up 
>> the braking surface, overall that doesn't sound unreasonable for the extra 
>> charge, it's the base rim charge which seems sorta steep, but I guess they 
>> can get it. Rim brake rims are getting harder to come by especially in 
>> 650B, tubeless 650B rim brake rims are even harder to find, especially in 
>> wider widths.  All in a Good Rim brake rim is gonna be 100 bucks a piece 
>> these days; by contrast I've gotten Carbon Fiber Disc Brake rims for that 
>> or very close to it. As time goes by these Retro builds are getting harder 
>> and more expensive to pull off. I've got a box with 20 threadless stems in 
>> it, but only 2 or 3 quill stems.
>>
>> Yes Leah, I prefer a rear rack too, but as hard as it is to pop my wheel 
>> over an obstacle it's a lot easier on the cargo.  With a rear rack every 
>> time you hit the smallest bump the contents on the back go flying I've lost 
>> so many things that way.even with the bag zipped closed things will find 
>> their way out of the smallest opening.  I rode a rear rack for 20 years on 
>> the back of my XO-1; when I sold it to the new owner he expressed his 
>> desire to take it off and though he finally did, he confessed it was just 
>> about perfect on that bike. But a Portuer rack on the front IS rather 
>> *nice* and possibly a bit more versatile.  Great for basket mounting and 
>> a nice wide platform for carrying stuff.  The main draw back is getting 
>> over the aforementioned obstacles and front wheel flop, but Hey nothing is 
>> perfect!  I have the Rawland Demi-porter on my Rawland. (nice huh?) and a 
>> SOMA on my VO Polyvalent and they are both great. now, many people they 
>> basically use the rear rack as sort of a Seat bag support; OK 
>> understandable, especially if you put heavy stuff in there, but, you could 
>> easily go with a different style of rack entirely, especially if you are 
>> just putting light stuff in there. I think it's the Nitto R-10(?) that has 
>> adjustable side struts that I've seen people run to different (higher) 
>> mounts on the frame back, which is a good compromise. 
>>
>> I've been riding anodized components for almost 40 years and true they *can 
>> fade & do fade*, but it's mostly a problem for bikes left outdoors in 
>> the sun & rain.  Wouldn't last long locked to a pole in NYC, but then your 
>> bike wouldn't be there long enough to worry about it.  If you are worried 
>> about it, I would suggest compensating, by going with a darker color. I 
>> have a bunch of HOT Pink Nipples (get your mind out of the gutter! (*for 
>> spokes*)) and I am sure with time they will fade to a nice rosey pink 
>> color! On a bike that's always stored indoors in a fairly temperature 
>> controlled environment it shouldn't be an issue really. 
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

Well those bikes are just gorgeous! 💗💙

(also not a fan of the big wind)

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 12:20:58 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> I’m stepping away from the hand-wringing this thread has become and 
> instead am posting a photo of my two Rivendells. I picked up the pair at 
> the LBS yesterday and I felt the happiness brim over the edge of my heart 
> when I saw them. It’s the first time they’ve been together, as they’ve both 
> been in the shop opposite of each other until today. I brought the Platypus 
> with me for one final adjustment (they had my left shifter pointing 
> vertically at the ground and I had to let go of the bar and wrench the 
> shifter into compliance; now it’s a proper thumbie as Riv intended) so I 
> got to see the pair of them on my rack. 
>
> Of course it’s much too windy to ride them today (biking in wind is a 
> punishment, if you ask me), but I can look at them, and that’s not nothing.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:08 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>
> I think the polishing on the rims is AFTER the anodizing, to clean up the 
> braking surface, overall that doesn't sound unreasonable for the extra 
> charge, it's the base rim charge which seems sorta steep, but I guess they 
> can get it. Rim brake rims are getting harder to come by especially in 
> 650B, tubeless 650B rim brake rims are even harder to find, especially in 
> wider widths.  All in a Good Rim brake rim is gonna be 100 bucks a piece 
> these days; by contrast I've gotten Carbon Fiber Disc Brake rims for that 
> or very close to it. As time goes by these Retro builds are getting harder 
> and more expensive to pull off. I've got a box with 20 threadless stems in 
> it, but only 2 or 3 quill stems.
>
>
> Yes Leah, I prefer a rear rack too, but as hard as it is to pop my wheel 
> over an obstacle it's a lot easier on the cargo.  With a rear rack every 
> time you hit the smallest bump the contents on the back go flying I've lost 
> so many things that way.even with the bag zipped closed things will find 
> their way out of the smallest opening.  I rode a rear rack for 20 years on 
> the back of my XO-1; when I sold it to the new owner he expressed his 
> desire to take it off and though he finally did, he confessed it was just 
> about perfect on that bike. But a Portuer rack on the front IS rather 
> *nice* and possibly a bit more versatile.  Great for basket mounting and 
> a nice wide platform for carrying stuff.  The main draw back is getting 
> over the aforementioned obstacles and front wheel flop, but Hey nothing is 
> perfect!  I have the Rawland Demi-porter on my Rawland. (nice huh?) and a 
> SOMA on my VO Polyvalent and they are both great. now, many people they 
> basically use the rear rack as sort of a Seat bag support; OK 
> understandable, especially if you put heavy stuff in there, but, you could 
> easily go with a different style of rack entirely, especially if you are 
> just putting light stuff in there. I think it's the Nitto R-10(?) that has 
> adjustable side struts that I've seen people run to different (higher) 
> mounts on the frame back, which is a good compromise. 
>
> I've been riding anodized components for almost 40 years and true they *can 
> fade & do fade*, but it's mostly a problem for bikes left outdoors in the 
> sun & rain.  Wouldn't last long locked to a pole in NYC, but then your bike 
> wouldn't be there long enough to worry about it.  If you are worried about 
> it, I would suggest compensating, by going with a darker color. I have a 
> bunch of HOT Pink Nipples (get your mind out of the gutter! (*for spokes*)) 
> and I am sure with time they will fade to a nice rosey pink color! On a 
> bike that's always stored indoors in a fairly temperature controlled 
> environment it shouldn't be an issue really. 
>  
>
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[RBW] Re: Reverse Levers with Linear-Pull Brakes?

[Garth]

Matthew. Yay to the reverse levers , nay to linear pull brakes without a 
travel agent thingy, which I've never used as I've never been drawn to 
v-brakes.

I only use reverse levers on my Albatross 56cm steel bars on 2 bikes. I 
really don't like regular mtb levers as they're always in the way of my 
hands. Having all that open space ... why restrict your hands to a tiny 
grip ? I use some padded bar tape up to and over the curve with shifters 
mounted there. Having the levers there is also easier to reach no matter 
where my hands are, and I only need 2 smallest fingers to brake.

[image: Alba-Franklin56.jpg]

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 2:29:00 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> I've been looking into using reverse levers with linear-pull brakes. I 
> want to mount the levers on the ends of a Bullmoose or Boscomoose bar, and 
> run the cables inside the handlebars.
>
> Is this possible? Can reverse levers be used with linear-pull brakes? If 
> you have this setup, or you've ridden a bike with reverse levers, did you 
> like it?
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Comparing Rivendell Bikes to the old Bridgestones: Has anyone here experienced both a Rambouillet and an RB-T?

[Nathan Mattia]

Matt--That's an interesting theory about the smaller frames not flexing as 
much.  It's kind of what I figured.  I took the RB-T out this morning for 
20 minutes and man, it just cycles up to speed so quickly for me compared 
to my 650b Sam with Fatty Rumpkins.

Bruce--Good to hear from someone who has ridden both!!  I had always 
assumed the Ram was a level TT but looking at the pics with that in mind, I 
see it now, though it is not nearly as pronounced as my generation of 
Hillborne.  

I also hadn't taken into account the rear spacing differences and what that 
means for tire choices.

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:48:08 AM UTC-6 Fullylugged wrote:

> Considering that the same person designed the RB-T and the Rambouillet 
> within a few years of each other and they were both Japanese production, 
> similarities in some respects are to be expected. Ram has a sloped TT, and 
> uses heat treated material for the downtube and chainstays while the RB-T 
> does not. The Ram feels stiffer but not unpleasantly so.  The differences 
> in HT angle are enough to notice in handling characteristics. Ram is a 
> neutral steerer that tracks though turns like it is on rails. Ram has 132.5 
> OLD to accept either road or mountain hubs. It can be set up with road 
> wheels and 25mm Contis for a fast club ride, or CX wheels with 1 1/2" 
> Paselas for Townie, cruiser, or country road riding. It does both well.  I 
> ride mustache bars on mine and like them when canted for comfortable grip 
> although in the past the bike had Nitto Noodles.  The RB-T is more roadish, 
> sharper cornering, and at 126 OLD, intended for freewheel equipment. It's 
> easy to spread the stays and pop a 130 road hub in there.  I found that I 
> wasn't riding my Bridgestone much compared to the Ram so I sold it some 
> years ago.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-6 Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
>>
>> *Has anyone here ridden both the Rambouillet AND an RB-T?  *Looking at 
>> it’s geometry, the RB-T is very similar to geometry of a Rivendell 
>> Rambouillet, more than a Hillborne or a Homer. 
>>
>> My RB-T is 56cm, so that's what I'm comparing and I was struck by the 
>> similarities to the Rambouillet.  Note the level top-tube, similar 
>> Standover heights, Seat-tube and Head-tube angles,  bottom bracket drop, 
>> and chainstay lengths.  Do they ride similarly?  I don’t know.  But they 
>> look almost the same.
>>
>> [image: IMG_5225.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_5226.jpeg]
>>
>>  In Rivendell Reader 32 from the Spring of 2004, Grant Petersen recalls 
>> his time at Bridgestone and makes these proclamations:
>>
>> “Set up a scale from 1 to 100, and let’s agree to call our current 
>> Rivendell customs a 100, and a Magna (department store) mountain bike a 5.
>>
>> The high-end Bstones were 45s, and the middle ones were 35s. [Let’s call 
>> an RB-T a “40” then, in Grant’s estimation]. Comparably priced production 
>> bikes in the late ‘80s and ‘90s were in the low 30s. Some of the better 
>> production bikes in the early ‘80s—especially ’81 through ’85 (Specialized 
>> Expedition, Sequoia, Centurion Dave Scott, Miyata 600)—were in the low 50s, 
>> about 55. The Toyo-built bikes are 87s. “  
>>
>> Given this scale, I’d actually put the RB-T closer to a 75.  It's that 
>> good.  
>> If Grant wanted to place it in the Riv lineup today and move it up to an 
>> 87, he’d just add 2 cm to the stays, put more eyelets on the frame for 
>> racks and give it slightly bigger tire clearances.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-11-20 at 11.00.47 PM.png]
>>
>> Here’s what I know:  I like the flexiness of the RB-T frame.  I like how 
>> quickly it gets up to speed.  I like to push it around downhill curves.  It 
>> is NOT the work of art that is my Rivendell Sam Hillborne.   I take Samwise 
>> when I want to forget about the effort of the ride and become one with the 
>> beauty all around me.  I take the RB-T when I want to go fast and become 
>> one with my bike.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[lconley]

Velocity offers anodizing with and without polishing. If you want both, the 
polishing is done first, then it is anodized over the polish, it is 
supposed to make the anodizing shinier (wet look) according to the website.

Velocity will do a lot of different stuff that is not on their website, if 
you are willing to wait. I wanted polished 48 spoke 650B Cliffhangers 
(website does not list any 48 spoke 650B Cliffhangers), so I e-mailed them. 
No problem, just had to wait for the next 650B Cliffhanger production run. 
It took a couple months, but I didn't have the frame yet, and they ended up 
on a different bike anyway. They are now on my Riv Cargo Bike.

Laing

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:

> I think the polishing on the rims is AFTER the anodizing, to clean up the 
> braking surface, overall that doesn't sound unreasonable for the extra 
> charge, it's the base rim charge which seems sorta steep, but I guess they 
> can get it. Rim brake rims are getting harder to come by especially in 
> 650B, tubeless 650B rim brake rims are even harder to find, especially in 
> wider widths.  All in a Good Rim brake rim is gonna be 100 bucks a piece 
> these days; by contrast I've gotten Carbon Fiber Disc Brake rims for that 
> or very close to it. As time goes by these Retro builds are getting harder 
> and more expensive to pull off. I've got a box with 20 threadless stems in 
> it, but only 2 or 3 quill stems.
>
> Yes Leah, I prefer a rear rack too, but as hard as it is to pop my wheel 
> over an obstacle it's a lot easier on the cargo.  With a rear rack every 
> time you hit the smallest bump the contents on the back go flying I've lost 
> so many things that way.even with the bag zipped closed things will find 
> their way out of the smallest opening.  I rode a rear rack for 20 years on 
> the back of my XO-1; when I sold it to the new owner he expressed his 
> desire to take it off and though he finally did, he confessed it was just 
> about perfect on that bike. But a Portuer rack on the front IS rather 
> *nice* and possibly a bit more versatile.  Great for basket mounting and 
> a nice wide platform for carrying stuff.  The main draw back is getting 
> over the aforementioned obstacles and front wheel flop, but Hey nothing is 
> perfect!  I have the Rawland Demi-porter on my Rawland. (nice huh?) and a 
> SOMA on my VO Polyvalent and they are both great. now, many people they 
> basically use the rear rack as sort of a Seat bag support; OK 
> understandable, especially if you put heavy stuff in there, but, you could 
> easily go with a different style of rack entirely, especially if you are 
> just putting light stuff in there. I think it's the Nitto R-10(?) that has 
> adjustable side struts that I've seen people run to different (higher) 
> mounts on the frame back, which is a good compromise. 
>
> I've been riding anodized components for almost 40 years and true they *can 
> fade & do fade*, but it's mostly a problem for bikes left outdoors in the 
> sun & rain.  Wouldn't last long locked to a pole in NYC, but then your bike 
> wouldn't be there long enough to worry about it.  If you are worried about 
> it, I would suggest compensating, by going with a darker color. I have a 
> bunch of HOT Pink Nipples (get your mind out of the gutter! (*for spokes*)) 
> and I am sure with time they will fade to a nice rosey pink color! On a 
> bike that's always stored indoors in a fairly temperature controlled 
> environment it shouldn't be an issue really. 
>  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[masmojo]

I have one of the Realm TBD bags as well (and might get another) They are 
good and really versatile. I use mine on my BMX cruiser, it fits the BMX 
bars ever so well. BONUS: the Drip Camo colorway is the best!!  

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:50:12 AM UTC-6 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just got a ~9L bag that works on both saddle and handlebars that I'm 
> very happy with. Fits everything I need for a multi hour ride and doesn't 
> use a ton of space between wheel and saddle loops.
>
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0bGqkRUiGbnlMH;8B8FC7DD-DE70-4E28-9117-45759EB6E822
>
> This one is a Dark Realm TBD bag, but I think the important feature is 
> that it has a rigid plastic liner that keeps its shape. Lots of bag makers 
> do similar ones
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[masmojo]

I think the polishing on the rims is AFTER the anodizing, to clean up the 
braking surface, overall that doesn't sound unreasonable for the extra 
charge, it's the base rim charge which seems sorta steep, but I guess they 
can get it. Rim brake rims are getting harder to come by especially in 
650B, tubeless 650B rim brake rims are even harder to find, especially in 
wider widths.  All in a Good Rim brake rim is gonna be 100 bucks a piece 
these days; by contrast I've gotten Carbon Fiber Disc Brake rims for that 
or very close to it. As time goes by these Retro builds are getting harder 
and more expensive to pull off. I've got a box with 20 threadless stems in 
it, but only 2 or 3 quill stems.

Yes Leah, I prefer a rear rack too, but as hard as it is to pop my wheel 
over an obstacle it's a lot easier on the cargo.  With a rear rack every 
time you hit the smallest bump the contents on the back go flying I've lost 
so many things that way.even with the bag zipped closed things will find 
their way out of the smallest opening.  I rode a rear rack for 20 years on 
the back of my XO-1; when I sold it to the new owner he expressed his 
desire to take it off and though he finally did, he confessed it was just 
about perfect on that bike. But a Portuer rack on the front IS rather *nice* 
and possibly a bit more versatile.  Great for basket mounting and a nice 
wide platform for carrying stuff.  The main draw back is getting over the 
aforementioned obstacles and front wheel flop, but Hey nothing is perfect!  
I have the Rawland Demi-porter on my Rawland. (nice huh?) and a SOMA on my 
VO Polyvalent and they are both great. now, many people they basically use 
the rear rack as sort of a Seat bag support; OK understandable, especially 
if you put heavy stuff in there, but, you could easily go with a different 
style of rack entirely, especially if you are just putting light stuff in 
there. I think it's the Nitto R-10(?) that has adjustable side struts that 
I've seen people run to different (higher) mounts on the frame back, which 
is a good compromise. 

I've been riding anodized components for almost 40 years and true they *can 
fade & do fade*, but it's mostly a problem for bikes left outdoors in the 
sun & rain.  Wouldn't last long locked to a pole in NYC, but then your bike 
wouldn't be there long enough to worry about it.  If you are worried about 
it, I would suggest compensating, by going with a darker color. I have a 
bunch of HOT Pink Nipples (get your mind out of the gutter! (*for spokes*)) 
and I am sure with time they will fade to a nice rosey pink color! On a 
bike that's always stored indoors in a fairly temperature controlled 
environment it shouldn't be an issue really. 
 

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Re: [RBW] Reverse Levers with Linear-Pull Brakes?

[Jay Lonner]

I used to run reverse levers with ‘cross-style interrupters on Boscos on my 
Hunq. I liked this setup ok - to me the Achilles’ heel was that the non-moosey 
Boscos were too flexy. The Tektro levers that I had (and still have, somewhere 
in my parts stash) don’t work with V-brakes though. Paul used to make reverse 
levers that I think were adjustable, but they’ve been out of production for 
years - no doubt available at a premium on eBay. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Dec 2, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Matthew Williams 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've been looking into using reverse levers with linear-pull brakes. I want 
> to mount the levers on the ends of a Bullmoose or Boscomoose bar, and run the 
> cables inside the handlebars.
> 
> Is this possible? Can reverse levers be used with linear-pull brakes? If you 
> have this setup, or you've ridden a bike with reverse levers, did you like it?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

I agree, Brian. I love ano stuff and at the rate they would fade on a 
nicely kept bike stored inside (see: Leah's Plat) you'd be looking at 
scratched and worn bits due for replacement anyway. Let your ano flag fly!

PS. The rose rims would have silver brake tracks. They look great. 

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Brian Campbell wrote:

> Bikes, at the level they are considered and discussed in this group, are 
> as much a means of self-expression as conveyance and utility.  It is the 
> marriage of these things that makes it fun and its value is dependent upon 
> the person. 
>
> I like the fact that people go in so many different directions with their 
> builds. I feel that I am participating vicariously and continually learning 
> about things that I was often times unaware of previously.
>
> I say "Bring on the anno!" in whatever form you like. Who cares if it is a 
> temporary thing? All of these choices make me aware and for that, I am 
> grateful.
>
> Says the person who just installed purple cloth tape on his green 
> Legolas...keep it weird, people!
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:44:30 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Not only does anodizing fade or wear (nothing looks more bedraggled than 
>> anodized braking surfaces after a year of use), but after a year or so 
>> you'll have to put the anodized bits in storage until the colors become 
>> fashionable again. I should have saved my bright purple anodized Sun M14A 
>> rims from 1992, not to mention my blue Grafton pedals!
>>
>> OTOH, for Leah's particular build, I think rose colored rims would be 
>> very nice, as long as the braking tracks were silver.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Dave S  wrote:
>>
>>> Last year I spoke with some of the folks at the Paul booth @ Philly Bike 
>>> Expo about some pink ano bits for my lilac BMC Road+ and they talked me out 
>>> of it.  They said that pink ano fades really quickly in comparison to other 
>>> colors.  I've heard the same about turquoise.  So much for my Miami Vice 
>>> themed build ;)
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTT: 170mm Silver Cranks Arms for 173+

[Ulysses O]

Hello,

I'm currently riding 170mm Rivendell Silver crank set and would like to 
find a pair of 173-178. Is anyone looking to shorten? Open to buying a pair 
of Riv Silver crank arms in good condition too. this trade would be for 
arms only in good condition or new. Mine are like new.

thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Brian Campbell]

Thanks Garth. Now if you could show me how to post from my iphone...

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:34:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Okay, I changed the format to .jpg and that worked to post both as an "add 
> attachment" and "insert photo attachment". So if anyone has issues with 
> posting photos , open the image, "save as" and change the file format to 
> .jpg. I'm posting this with Chrome(book) OS and browser at the moment. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:30:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Testing testing  [image: Tosco.jpg]
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:28:02 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Riv has a schematic of the Tosco with it's images. This #%&*^! format 
>>> wouldn't post the .png image of the bars, then the page malfunctioned and I 
>>> had to reload the page, rendering my entire reply lost in cyberspace.  The 
>>> gist of which is  everything is alright. no matter what.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/products/ScreenShot2020-11-24at11.51.45AM_1600x.png
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Mike Packard]

I just got a ~9L bag that works on both saddle and handlebars that I'm very 
happy with. Fits everything I need for a multi hour ride and doesn't use a 
ton of space between wheel and saddle loops.

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0bGqkRUiGbnlMH;8B8FC7DD-DE70-4E28-9117-45759EB6E822

This one is a Dark Realm TBD bag, but I think the important feature is that 
it has a rigid plastic liner that keeps its shape. Lots of bag makers do 
similar ones.

Pro tip: I like to keep one of those collapsible backpacks that packs down 
really small in my bag. Just in case I need to buy a cabbage or rescue a 
puppy or something on the way home. 

Mike


On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:39:34 AM UTC-6 David Person wrote:

> Rusty, I assume you have signed up for their restock notifications, but if 
> not...
>
> https://www.acornbags.com/pages/restocking-schedule
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:33:37 AM UTC-8 Rusty Click wrote:
>
>> Wish I could find an Acorn med saddlebag...I've been waiting for them to 
>> be restocked.
>>
>> Rusty
>> Pgh, PA
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:17:38 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Nov 12th (#3) copy.jpg]
>>> Brompton light and Rivelo patch extra.
>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>>
 Third the Acorn Med Saddlebag.



 On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:04:07 PM UTC-8 danmc wrote:

> I’ll second the Acorn Medium Saddlebag. Holds an amazing amount. Side 
> pockets are great for small items (phone etc) that you need to grab in a 
> hurry. I have never had a thigh rub issue. I have 3 of them. 
>
> The only issue with Acorn is the wait for stock. This bag seems to 
> sell more slowly than others that Acorn makes so it is fairly easy to buy 
> one when they have a batch of bags to sell. 
>
> Leah - I could loan you one for a test fit if you are interested. Just 
> let me know. 
>
> Dan
>
> San Rafael CA
>
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Brian Campbell  
> wrote:
>
> I have used one of these bags on my AHH for years. It will allow you 
> to carry what you need for a long day ride and a couple of straps on the 
> outside through the D-rings allow for bulky clothing to be attached. 
>
>
>
> https://www.acornbags.com/collections/rear-bags/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272
>
> You would easily be saving yourself a couple of pounds by not having 
> the large rack. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:25:36 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Have you considered a saddlebag with a quick release?
>> Nitto makes a very nice one and the part that stays attached to your 
>> saddle doesn’t weigh much.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> Bagboy up front is great, I have Rosco A set up like that with 
>>> lowriders when I need to haul stuff. Rosco B has as light of a fully 
>>> integrated basket/rack as I've yet to make. Probably do a basket on 
>>> Rosco A 
>>> soon (exposing it's lovely headbadge like sibling B's)
>>> Ditching all rear weight is nice when you want to hammer out of the 
>>> pedals on a slim waisted mixte frame, not that that's something to 
>>> aspire 
>>> to, but I've got a seemingly rational fear of creating flex in and 
>>> around 
>>> my bottom brackets, and I'm fortunate that the Rosco Bigs have a burly 
>>> fork 
>>> (75 lbs in lowriders over the bridge? Totally!!) 
>>> Made this rear rack for my light awhile back-
>>> [image: IMG-1096.jpg]
>>> this way I'm not tempted to load it up :)
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:27:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 It would be a smaller bag in this scenario and no, they don't 
 interfere with v-brakes. 


 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:23:39 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the 
> bag when full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent 
> strong 
> braking. I think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and 
> perhaps V 
> brakes aren't so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the 
> medium Saddlesack, temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on 
> the 
> new Matthews road bike, really does interfere with the action of the 
> rear 
> cantilever. Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff 
> things.
>
> I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than 
> Carradice-design saddlebags.
>
> Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a 
> real thing.
>
> On Mon, No

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Dale Click]

Thanks, and I have, and I’m just waiting...waiting...



On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:39 David Person  wrote:

> Rusty, I assume you have signed up for their restock notifications, but if
> not...
>
> https://www.acornbags.com/pages/restocking-schedule
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:33:37 AM UTC-8 Rusty Click wrote:
>
>> Wish I could find an Acorn med saddlebag...I've been waiting for them to
>> be restocked.
>>
>> Rusty
>> Pgh, PA
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:17:38 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Nov 12th (#3) copy.jpg]
>>> Brompton light and Rivelo patch extra.
>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>>
 Third the Acorn Med Saddlebag.



 On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:04:07 PM UTC-8 danmc wrote:

> I’ll second the Acorn Medium Saddlebag. Holds an amazing amount. Side
> pockets are great for small items (phone etc) that you need to grab in a
> hurry. I have never had a thigh rub issue. I have 3 of them.
>
> The only issue with Acorn is the wait for stock. This bag seems to
> sell more slowly than others that Acorn makes so it is fairly easy to buy
> one when they have a batch of bags to sell.
>
> Leah - I could loan you one for a test fit if you are interested. Just
> let me know.
>
> Dan
>
> San Rafael CA
>
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Brian Campbell 
> wrote:
>
> I have used one of these bags on my AHH for years. It will allow you
> to carry what you need for a long day ride and a couple of straps on the
> outside through the D-rings allow for bulky clothing to be attached.
>
>
>
> https://www.acornbags.com/collections/rear-bags/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272
>
> You would easily be saving yourself a couple of pounds by not having
> the large rack.
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:25:36 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Have you considered a saddlebag with a quick release?
>> Nitto makes a very nice one and the part that stays attached to your
>> saddle doesn’t weigh much.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> Bagboy up front is great, I have Rosco A set up like that with
>>> lowriders when I need to haul stuff. Rosco B has as light of a fully
>>> integrated basket/rack as I've yet to make. Probably do a basket on 
>>> Rosco A
>>> soon (exposing it's lovely headbadge like sibling B's)
>>> Ditching all rear weight is nice when you want to hammer out of the
>>> pedals on a slim waisted mixte frame, not that that's something to 
>>> aspire
>>> to, but I've got a seemingly rational fear of creating flex in and 
>>> around
>>> my bottom brackets, and I'm fortunate that the Rosco Bigs have a burly 
>>> fork
>>> (75 lbs in lowriders over the bridge? Totally!!)
>>> Made this rear rack for my light awhile back-
>>> [image: IMG-1096.jpg]
>>> this way I'm not tempted to load it up :)
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:27:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 It would be a smaller bag in this scenario and no, they don't
 interfere with v-brakes.


 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:23:39 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore
 wrote:

> One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the
> bag when full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent 
> strong
> braking. I think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and 
> perhaps V
> brakes aren't so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the
> medium Saddlesack, temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on 
> the
> new Matthews road bike, really does interfere with the action of the 
> rear
> cantilever. Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff 
> things.
>
> I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than
> Carradice-design saddlebags.
>
> Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a
> real thing.
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Joe Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>> Of course it's sold out! 🤦
>>
>> Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a
>> saddlebag that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some 
>> people
>> (I'm one of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot.
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle
>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 😫😫😫
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, J

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[David Person]

Rusty, I assume you have signed up for their restock notifications, but if 
not...

https://www.acornbags.com/pages/restocking-schedule


On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:33:37 AM UTC-8 Rusty Click wrote:

> Wish I could find an Acorn med saddlebag...I've been waiting for them to 
> be restocked.
>
> Rusty
> Pgh, PA
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:17:38 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>
>> [image: Nov 12th (#3) copy.jpg]
>> Brompton light and Rivelo patch extra.
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> Third the Acorn Med Saddlebag.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:04:07 PM UTC-8 danmc wrote:
>>>
 I’ll second the Acorn Medium Saddlebag. Holds an amazing amount. Side 
 pockets are great for small items (phone etc) that you need to grab in a 
 hurry. I have never had a thigh rub issue. I have 3 of them. 

 The only issue with Acorn is the wait for stock. This bag seems to sell 
 more slowly than others that Acorn makes so it is fairly easy to buy one 
 when they have a batch of bags to sell. 

 Leah - I could loan you one for a test fit if you are interested. Just 
 let me know. 

 Dan

 San Rafael CA

 On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Brian Campbell  wrote:

 I have used one of these bags on my AHH for years. It will allow you 
 to carry what you need for a long day ride and a couple of straps on the 
 outside through the D-rings allow for bulky clothing to be attached. 



 https://www.acornbags.com/collections/rear-bags/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272

 You would easily be saving yourself a couple of pounds by not having 
 the large rack. 

 On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:25:36 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> Leah,
> Have you considered a saddlebag with a quick release?
> Nitto makes a very nice one and the part that stays attached to your 
> saddle doesn’t weigh much.
>
> Ray
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
> NY wrote:
>
>> Bagboy up front is great, I have Rosco A set up like that with 
>> lowriders when I need to haul stuff. Rosco B has as light of a fully 
>> integrated basket/rack as I've yet to make. Probably do a basket on 
>> Rosco A 
>> soon (exposing it's lovely headbadge like sibling B's)
>> Ditching all rear weight is nice when you want to hammer out of the 
>> pedals on a slim waisted mixte frame, not that that's something to 
>> aspire 
>> to, but I've got a seemingly rational fear of creating flex in and 
>> around 
>> my bottom brackets, and I'm fortunate that the Rosco Bigs have a burly 
>> fork 
>> (75 lbs in lowriders over the bridge? Totally!!) 
>> Made this rear rack for my light awhile back-
>> [image: IMG-1096.jpg]
>> this way I'm not tempted to load it up :)
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:27:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> It would be a smaller bag in this scenario and no, they don't 
>>> interfere with v-brakes. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:23:39 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the 
 bag when full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent 
 strong 
 braking. I think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and perhaps 
 V 
 brakes aren't so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the 
 medium Saddlesack, temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on 
 the 
 new Matthews road bike, really does interfere with the action of the 
 rear 
 cantilever. Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff 
 things.

 I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than 
 Carradice-design saddlebags.

 Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a 
 real thing.

 On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Joe Bernard  
 wrote:

> Of course it's sold out! 🤦
>
> Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a 
> saddlebag that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some 
> people 
> (I'm one of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot. 
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
> Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 😫😫😫
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless 
>> saddlebag. If it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can 
>> load it 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Rusty Click]

Wish I could find an Acorn med saddlebag...I've been waiting for them to be 
restocked.

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:17:38 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:

> [image: Nov 12th (#3) copy.jpg]
> Brompton light and Rivelo patch extra.
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>
>> Third the Acorn Med Saddlebag.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:04:07 PM UTC-8 danmc wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll second the Acorn Medium Saddlebag. Holds an amazing amount. Side 
>>> pockets are great for small items (phone etc) that you need to grab in a 
>>> hurry. I have never had a thigh rub issue. I have 3 of them. 
>>>
>>> The only issue with Acorn is the wait for stock. This bag seems to sell 
>>> more slowly than others that Acorn makes so it is fairly easy to buy one 
>>> when they have a batch of bags to sell. 
>>>
>>> Leah - I could loan you one for a test fit if you are interested. Just 
>>> let me know. 
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> San Rafael CA
>>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have used one of these bags on my AHH for years. It will allow you to 
>>> carry what you need for a long day ride and a couple of straps on the 
>>> outside through the D-rings allow for bulky clothing to be attached. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.acornbags.com/collections/rear-bags/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272
>>>
>>> You would easily be saving yourself a couple of pounds by not having the 
>>> large rack. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:25:36 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
 Leah,
 Have you considered a saddlebag with a quick release?
 Nitto makes a very nice one and the part that stays attached to your 
 saddle doesn’t weigh much.

 Ray

 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
 NY wrote:

> Bagboy up front is great, I have Rosco A set up like that with 
> lowriders when I need to haul stuff. Rosco B has as light of a fully 
> integrated basket/rack as I've yet to make. Probably do a basket on Rosco 
> A 
> soon (exposing it's lovely headbadge like sibling B's)
> Ditching all rear weight is nice when you want to hammer out of the 
> pedals on a slim waisted mixte frame, not that that's something to aspire 
> to, but I've got a seemingly rational fear of creating flex in and around 
> my bottom brackets, and I'm fortunate that the Rosco Bigs have a burly 
> fork 
> (75 lbs in lowriders over the bridge? Totally!!) 
> Made this rear rack for my light awhile back-
> [image: IMG-1096.jpg]
> this way I'm not tempted to load it up :)
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:27:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It would be a smaller bag in this scenario and no, they don't 
>> interfere with v-brakes. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:23:39 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the 
>>> bag when full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent strong 
>>> braking. I think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and perhaps 
>>> V 
>>> brakes aren't so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the 
>>> medium Saddlesack, temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on 
>>> the 
>>> new Matthews road bike, really does interfere with the action of the 
>>> rear 
>>> cantilever. Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff things.
>>>
>>> I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than 
>>> Carradice-design saddlebags.
>>>
>>> Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a 
>>> real thing.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Joe Bernard  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Of course it's sold out! 🤦

 Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a 
 saddlebag that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some 
 people 
 (I'm one of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot. 

 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
 Ding Ding! wrote:

> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 😫😫😫
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  
> wrote:
>
> I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless 
> saddlebag. If it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can 
> load it 
> up and have it rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on 
> it. A 
> grid-gray Bag Boy to match your Banana Bag should work. 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
> Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weig

Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Brian Campbell]

Bikes, at the level they are considered and discussed in this group, are as 
much a means of self-expression as conveyance and utility.  It is the 
marriage of these things that makes it fun and its value is dependent upon 
the person. 

I like the fact that people go in so many different directions with their 
builds. I feel that I am participating vicariously and continually learning 
about things that I was often times unaware of previously.

I say "Bring on the anno!" in whatever form you like. Who cares if it is a 
temporary thing? All of these choices make me aware and for that, I am 
grateful.

Says the person who just installed purple cloth tape on his green 
Legolas...keep it weird, people!



On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:44:30 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Not only does anodizing fade or wear (nothing looks more bedraggled than 
> anodized braking surfaces after a year of use), but after a year or so 
> you'll have to put the anodized bits in storage until the colors become 
> fashionable again. I should have saved my bright purple anodized Sun M14A 
> rims from 1992, not to mention my blue Grafton pedals!
>
> OTOH, for Leah's particular build, I think rose colored rims would be very 
> nice, as long as the braking tracks were silver.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Dave S  wrote:
>
>> Last year I spoke with some of the folks at the Paul booth @ Philly Bike 
>> Expo about some pink ano bits for my lilac BMC Road+ and they talked me out 
>> of it.  They said that pink ano fades really quickly in comparison to other 
>> colors.  I've heard the same about turquoise.  So much for my Miami Vice 
>> themed build ;)
>
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Dave S]

Sorry, I didnt mean that to be discouraging, it was meant as a lucky 
break!  Smaller parts are less of an issue but on big expanses (like rims 
and stems and seat posts) the unevenness of the fade is not cool.

I once bought a bike from a guy who moved to NJ from Arizona and it was 
clear which direction he stored the bike in.  The stem, seatpost, spacers, 
cranks, and handlebars were silver on side and black on the other!  

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:30:05 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> I was happier before your post, Dave. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Dave S  wrote:
>
> Last year I spoke with some of the folks at the Paul booth @ Philly Bike 
> Expo about some pink ano bits for my lilac BMC Road+ and they talked me out 
> of it.  They said that pink ano fades really quickly in comparison to other 
> colors.  I've heard the same about turquoise.  So much for my Miami Vice 
> themed build ;)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Not completely clear on the Velocity website, but is it really 
>> cumulative? I don't think they need to polish the rim before anodizing. I 
>> would check. If not, the cost would be $170, for either polished or ano, 
>> not $220.  
>> MSRP: $140 | +$30.00 Polished | + $30.00 Custom Anodized 
>> 
>>  If you do have to add both charges, $200 is definitely pricey,  but 
>> worth it if it's worth it. Especially if you enjoy looking at your 
>> bicycles. Which I do. But maybe not quite that much.
>>
>> Lucky for me, I prefer the classic box profile with eyelets found on the 
>> CR-18 and the Rhyno Lite XL from Sun Ringle.  At less than $35 per rim 
>>  (about $60 if you get the anodized 
>> colors offered in the Rhyno Lite XL) 
>> 
>>  
>> the price is right for me. They have a long, proven track record, and build 
>> up nice, too. The XLs are mostly in stock, but like many bike parts, the 
>> CR-18s are hard to find in stock anywhere.
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:51:02 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> I'm 'patiently' waiting for Velocity Quill rims to come back in stock so 
>>> I can build another pair of wheels for my Hillborne.  Some took up baking 
>>> or woodworking during the pandemic.  It learned wheelbuilding.  Will be 
>>> going with the standard black rims as the polished silver versions add 
>>> another $40 to the standard $140 price tag.  Custom anodizing adds another 
>>> $40 to that, so $220 per rim is quite a bit. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:49:26 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Unfortunately I'm not Bill I'm just dumb-old Joe and you already know 
 I'm entirely besotted with this bicycle and my approval is assumed, so we 
 shall move on to works in progress. One thing you COULD do if there's a 
 decent wheel builder in the pro bro mountain bike shop is buy those rose 
 rims when they're available, ride your current ones for a year-or-so, then 
 put the new ones on. Is that crazy? Not any crazier than most of the 
 changes and upgrades we do around here, that's what *I* say! 

 Joe "yes, she wore out these rims on Killer Hill in a year, it's time 
 for new ones" Bernard 

 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:18:38 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I picked up my bike (again) from the shop with newly “Riv-versed” 
> (perfect term coined by Mark Roland) levers and shifters. We need one 
> more 
> adjustment to the left shifter (it’s not ergonomic; points to the ground, 
> making it impossible to thumb) and it’s good.
>
> Well...I’m anodizing a bunch of stuff from Analog again, so I suppose 
> it’s only done for NOW. When I forewent the rose rims that took most of 
> the 
> rose out of my build, so I need to add some back in and tie it in with 
> the 
> teal. I thought I would be done and riding off into the sunset and not 
> thinking on appearances anymore, but I’m finding it’s a process.
>
> The rack situation is a strange one. I barely have a fistful of seat 
> post and will likely need the large Nitto Rear Rack and am crossing my 
> fingers it doesn’t come up too high. I don’t want to make my bike 
> heavier, 
> but it’s unnerving not being able to carry anything. I like the front 
> without a rack; I’ve always wanted a bike set up that way,  it it was 
> impractical. I have and like the light over the fork. So, I’ll most 
> likely 
> get the rear rack.
>
> Tonight I got to set up my bars how I wanted them. I had bought and 
> stowed a beautiful little Spurcycle bell and iPhone mount for this 
> raspberry bike. My old mirror for my Betty Foy was installed, and 
> finally, 
> a string of Christma

Re: [RBW] Re: Black professional cyclist Justin Williams and team, from NYT

[Garth]

Yeah I know, everyone loves a good story !

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:39:57 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It's a story about a black cyclist trying to make it in the big-time 
> cycling world; nothing wrong with that! It's relevant because of Grant's 
> concern, which I generally share, though I don't agree, or at least, think 
> I don't agree, with his prescription.
>
> I personally find the differences among the races fascinating, and *vive 
> les differences!* I say.
>
> BTW, one doesn't see many Filipinos or South Asians (for example) in the 
> pro ranks; why is that? I don't think it is only racial prejudice by any 
> means.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 5:44 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>>
>> Patrick,  Well ain't that a kicker he's a cyclist... period. He's a 
>> he, a human, a living Being, period. The double-talk around "race", not to 
>> mention all the other terms/references used to quantify/compare people, is 
>> astounding to behold, since there no actual existence of such a thing. 
>> Compared to what ? What's the standard by which comparisons compare?  To 
>> comparisons, the standard by which it compares is but more of the same. You 
>> go round and round but never go anywhere. It's like picking up a dictionary 
>> to define a word all words are defined as what else ?... more words. 
>> Words referring to words. The whole book refers to nothing but the book. 
>>
>> That's how I see all these articles about an assumptive dual nature of 
>> Life. One "side" lives off the "the other".. ..neither could exist 
>> independently as that would be the end of both. The contract is unbreakable 
>> in the sense that neither "side" would be left to experience the Liberation 
>> from it. Too hot handle, too cold to let go. 
>>
>> So all these promises of "coming together" , "making amends"  *requires 
>> *separation and violation in order to exist. It's a cons con, the con 
>> conning the con for the sake of the con. The promises promise the breaking 
>> of the promise in order to keep the promise alive and promising. Isn't that 
>> funny ! 
>>
>> None of that is Reality. Un-plug the cord that binds and what's left ?  
>>  L I F E   B E I N G !  
>>
>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:40:07 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> This might be of interest to some.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/sports/justin-williams-cycling-L39ION.html?action=click&module=Features&pgtype=Homepage
>>>
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>>>
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[RBW] What is your favorite all-round "just ride" cruising gear?

[Patrick Moore]

Idle thoughts while waiting for a client call in 9 minutes.

Snow here this morning, tho' it won't stick; still, one hopes to get enough
to stay around long enough so one can ride in it.

Which raiseth the question: for a single speed mtb used for casual dirt
road and flat dirt track riding, sand and (again, one hopes) snow, as well
as casual pavement and firm dirt riding, what gear would you choose? Mine
is presently 65" (180 mm cranks) which is low and easy for dry land riding,
but I am thinking about swapping the 15 for a 16 for 61", but wonder if
that would be too low for pavement. OEM gearing (as I got it) was 50",
which is far too low for anything I do.

I could always just try it, but that wouldn't solve the question about what
to do in the remaining minutes before this call.

Seriously, I'm curious what y'all use for just puttering around.

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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

Not only does anodizing fade or wear (nothing looks more bedraggled than
anodized braking surfaces after a year of use), but after a year or so
you'll have to put the anodized bits in storage until the colors become
fashionable again. I should have saved my bright purple anodized Sun M14A
rims from 1992, not to mention my blue Grafton pedals!

OTOH, for Leah's particular build, I think rose colored rims would be very
nice, as long as the braking tracks were silver.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Dave S  wrote:

> Last year I spoke with some of the folks at the Paul booth @ Philly Bike
> Expo about some pink ano bits for my lilac BMC Road+ and they talked me out
> of it.  They said that pink ano fades really quickly in comparison to other
> colors.  I've heard the same about turquoise.  So much for my Miami Vice
> themed build ;)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Black professional cyclist Justin Williams and team, from NYT

[Patrick Moore]

It's a story about a black cyclist trying to make it in the big-time
cycling world; nothing wrong with that! It's relevant because of Grant's
concern, which I generally share, though I don't agree, or at least, think
I don't agree, with his prescription.

I personally find the differences among the races fascinating, and *vive
les differences!* I say.

BTW, one doesn't see many Filipinos or South Asians (for example) in the
pro ranks; why is that? I don't think it is only racial prejudice by any
means.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 5:44 AM Garth  wrote:

>
> Patrick,  Well ain't that a kicker he's a cyclist... period. He's a
> he, a human, a living Being, period. The double-talk around "race", not to
> mention all the other terms/references used to quantify/compare people, is
> astounding to behold, since there no actual existence of such a thing.
> Compared to what ? What's the standard by which comparisons compare?  To
> comparisons, the standard by which it compares is but more of the same. You
> go round and round but never go anywhere. It's like picking up a dictionary
> to define a word all words are defined as what else ?... more words.
> Words referring to words. The whole book refers to nothing but the book.
>
> That's how I see all these articles about an assumptive dual nature of
> Life. One "side" lives off the "the other".. ..neither could exist
> independently as that would be the end of both. The contract is unbreakable
> in the sense that neither "side" would be left to experience the Liberation
> from it. Too hot handle, too cold to let go.
>
> So all these promises of "coming together" , "making amends"  *requires
> *separation and violation in order to exist. It's a cons con, the con
> conning the con for the sake of the con. The promises promise the breaking
> of the promise in order to keep the promise alive and promising. Isn't that
> funny !
>
> None of that is Reality. Un-plug the cord that binds and what's left ?   L
> I F E   B E I N G !
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:40:07 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This might be of interest to some.
>>
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/sports/justin-williams-cycling-L39ION.html?action=click&module=Features&pgtype=Homepage
>>
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Leah Peterson]

I was happier before your post, Dave. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Dave S  wrote:
> 
> Last year I spoke with some of the folks at the Paul booth @ Philly Bike 
> Expo about some pink ano bits for my lilac BMC Road+ and they talked me out 
> of it.  They said that pink ano fades really quickly in comparison to other 
> colors.  I've heard the same about turquoise.  So much for my Miami Vice 
> themed build ;)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>> Not completely clear on the Velocity website, but is it really cumulative? I 
>> don't think they need to polish the rim before anodizing. I would check. If 
>> not, the cost would be $170, for either polished or ano, not $220.  
>> MSRP: $140 | +$30.00 Polished | + $30.00 Custom Anodized
>>  If you do have to add both charges, $200 is definitely pricey,  but worth 
>> it if it's worth it. Especially if you enjoy looking at your bicycles. Which 
>> I do. But maybe not quite that much.
>> 
>> Lucky for me, I prefer the classic box profile with eyelets found on the 
>> CR-18 and the Rhyno Lite XL from Sun Ringle.  At less than $35 per rim 
>> (about $60 if you get the anodized colors offered in the Rhyno Lite XL) the 
>> price is right for me. They have a long, proven track record, and build up 
>> nice, too. The XLs are mostly in stock, but like many bike parts, the CR-18s 
>> are hard to find in stock anywhere.
>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:51:02 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>>> I'm 'patiently' waiting for Velocity Quill rims to come back in stock so I 
>>> can build another pair of wheels for my Hillborne.  Some took up baking or 
>>> woodworking during the pandemic.  It learned wheelbuilding.  Will be going 
>>> with the standard black rims as the polished silver versions add another 
>>> $40 to the standard $140 price tag.  Custom anodizing adds another $40 to 
>>> that, so $220 per rim is quite a bit. 
>>> 
 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:49:26 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
 Unfortunately I'm not Bill I'm just dumb-old Joe and you already know I'm 
 entirely besotted with this bicycle and my approval is assumed, so we 
 shall move on to works in progress. One thing you COULD do if there's a 
 decent wheel builder in the pro bro mountain bike shop is buy those rose 
 rims when they're available, ride your current ones for a year-or-so, then 
 put the new ones on. Is that crazy? Not any crazier than most of the 
 changes and upgrades we do around here, that's what I say! 
 
 Joe "yes, she wore out these rims on Killer Hill in a year, it's time for 
 new ones" Bernard 
 
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:18:38 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
> I picked up my bike (again) from the shop with newly “Riv-versed” 
> (perfect term coined by Mark Roland) levers and shifters. We need one 
> more adjustment to the left shifter (it’s not ergonomic; points to the 
> ground, making it impossible to thumb) and it’s good.
> 
> Well...I’m anodizing a bunch of stuff from Analog again, so I suppose 
> it’s only done for NOW. When I forewent the rose rims that took most of 
> the rose out of my build, so I need to add some back in and tie it in 
> with the teal. I thought I would be done and riding off into the sunset 
> and not thinking on appearances anymore, but I’m finding it’s a process.
> 
> The rack situation is a strange one. I barely have a fistful of seat post 
> and will likely need the large Nitto Rear Rack and am crossing my fingers 
> it doesn’t come up too high. I don’t want to make my bike heavier, but 
> it’s unnerving not being able to carry anything. I like the front without 
> a rack; I’ve always wanted a bike set up that way,  it it was 
> impractical. I have and like the light over the fork. So, I’ll most 
> likely get the rear rack.
> 
> Tonight I got to set up my bars how I wanted them. I had bought and 
> stowed a beautiful little Spurcycle bell and iPhone mount for this 
> raspberry bike. My old mirror for my Betty Foy was installed, and 
> finally, a string of Christmas lights. I don’t know that I’ll keep the 
> Bananasax, I just can’t seem to work with it. I’ll keep trying. Clearly, 
> the bike is not finished, but it’s PROGRESS.
> 
> Now, where is that Bill Lindsay guy - I want him to say APPROVE.
> Leah 
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Dave S]

Last year I spoke with some of the folks at the Paul booth @ Philly Bike 
Expo about some pink ano bits for my lilac BMC Road+ and they talked me out 
of it.  They said that pink ano fades really quickly in comparison to other 
colors.  I've heard the same about turquoise.  So much for my Miami Vice 
themed build ;)




On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> Not completely clear on the Velocity website, but is it really cumulative? 
> I don't think they need to polish the rim before anodizing. I would check. 
> If not, the cost would be $170, for either polished or ano, not $220.  
> MSRP: $140 | +$30.00 Polished | + $30.00 Custom Anodized 
> 
>  If you do have to add both charges, $200 is definitely pricey,  but worth 
> it if it's worth it. Especially if you enjoy looking at your bicycles. 
> Which I do. But maybe not quite that much.
>
> Lucky for me, I prefer the classic box profile with eyelets found on the 
> CR-18 and the Rhyno Lite XL from Sun Ringle.  At less than $35 per rim 
>  (about $60 if you get the anodized 
> colors offered in the Rhyno Lite XL) 
> 
>  
> the price is right for me. They have a long, proven track record, and build 
> up nice, too. The XLs are mostly in stock, but like many bike parts, the 
> CR-18s are hard to find in stock anywhere.
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:51:02 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>
>> I'm 'patiently' waiting for Velocity Quill rims to come back in stock so 
>> I can build another pair of wheels for my Hillborne.  Some took up baking 
>> or woodworking during the pandemic.  It learned wheelbuilding.  Will be 
>> going with the standard black rims as the polished silver versions add 
>> another $40 to the standard $140 price tag.  Custom anodizing adds another 
>> $40 to that, so $220 per rim is quite a bit. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:49:26 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately I'm not Bill I'm just dumb-old Joe and you already know 
>>> I'm entirely besotted with this bicycle and my approval is assumed, so we 
>>> shall move on to works in progress. One thing you COULD do if there's a 
>>> decent wheel builder in the pro bro mountain bike shop is buy those rose 
>>> rims when they're available, ride your current ones for a year-or-so, then 
>>> put the new ones on. Is that crazy? Not any crazier than most of the 
>>> changes and upgrades we do around here, that's what *I* say! 
>>>
>>> Joe "yes, she wore out these rims on Killer Hill in a year, it's time 
>>> for new ones" Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:18:38 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I picked up my bike (again) from the shop with newly “Riv-versed” 
 (perfect term coined by Mark Roland) levers and shifters. We need one more 
 adjustment to the left shifter (it’s not ergonomic; points to the ground, 
 making it impossible to thumb) and it’s good.

 Well...I’m anodizing a bunch of stuff from Analog again, so I suppose 
 it’s only done for NOW. When I forewent the rose rims that took most of 
 the 
 rose out of my build, so I need to add some back in and tie it in with the 
 teal. I thought I would be done and riding off into the sunset and not 
 thinking on appearances anymore, but I’m finding it’s a process.

 The rack situation is a strange one. I barely have a fistful of seat 
 post and will likely need the large Nitto Rear Rack and am crossing my 
 fingers it doesn’t come up too high. I don’t want to make my bike heavier, 
 but it’s unnerving not being able to carry anything. I like the front 
 without a rack; I’ve always wanted a bike set up that way,  it it was 
 impractical. I have and like the light over the fork. So, I’ll most likely 
 get the rear rack.

 Tonight I got to set up my bars how I wanted them. I had bought and 
 stowed a beautiful little Spurcycle bell and iPhone mount for this 
 raspberry bike. My old mirror for my Betty Foy was installed, and finally, 
 a string of Christmas lights. I don’t know that I’ll keep the Bananasax, I 
 just can’t seem to work with it. I’ll keep trying. Clearly, the bike is 
 not 
 finished, but it’s PROGRESS.

 Now, where is that Bill Lindsay guy - I want him to say APPROVE.
 Leah 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] FS winter frameset projects (New): Moonlander XXL, Long Haul Trucker 62cm, Rosco Baby 58cm

[Alex Wirth]

**Edit, just realized the headset is not installed on the Rosco
Baby.and I realized that the seatpost is included.  So headset (Silver
FSA, not installed) & seatpost (Looks to be a standard Dajia) included,
same price.

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[RBW] Re: FS winter frameset projects (New): Moonlander XXL, Long Haul Trucker 62cm, Rosco Baby 58cm

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Here's a google drive link, couldn't figure out how to attach pics in the 
new version of Google Groups?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nCGZDRYzANbJ_eHciI0f8xby25-dp0nR?usp=sharing

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:58:32 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:

> Some winter projects for consideration:
>
> All of these are brand new never built...
>
>
> -Surly Moonlander frameset, size XXL, I'll throw in some rims too if 
> you're interested (I have to double check on the model of the rim).  $525 
> shipped CONUS
>
> -Surly Long Haul Trucker frameset, 62cm, 700c, rim brake, (discontinued by 
> Surly now :-(, they're only making the dick brake version), $525 shipped 
> CONUS
>
> -Riv Rosco Baby (Frame/fork/headset), headset installed by Riv, 58cm, $875 
> shipped conus. Would make a wonderful Christmas gift.
>
> Will post pics separately, won't let me post for some reason
>
> Alex in Rochester, NY
>

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[RBW] FS winter frameset projects (New): Moonlander XXL, Long Haul Trucker 62cm, Rosco Baby 58cm

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Some winter projects for consideration:

All of these are brand new never built...


-Surly Moonlander frameset, size XXL, I'll throw in some rims too if you're 
interested (I have to double check on the model of the rim).  $525 shipped 
CONUS

-Surly Long Haul Trucker frameset, 62cm, 700c, rim brake, (discontinued by 
Surly now :-(, they're only making the dick brake version), $525 shipped 
CONUS

-Riv Rosco Baby (Frame/fork/headset), headset installed by Riv, 58cm, $875 
shipped conus. Would make a wonderful Christmas gift.

Will post pics separately, won't let me post for some reason

Alex in Rochester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Mark Roland]

Not completely clear on the Velocity website, but is it really cumulative? 
I don't think they need to polish the rim before anodizing. I would check. 
If not, the cost would be $170, for either polished or ano, not $220.  
MSRP: $140 | +$30.00 Polished | + $30.00 Custom Anodized 

 If you do have to add both charges, $200 is definitely pricey,  but worth 
it if it's worth it. Especially if you enjoy looking at your bicycles. 
Which I do. But maybe not quite that much.

Lucky for me, I prefer the classic box profile with eyelets found on the 
CR-18 and the Rhyno Lite XL from Sun Ringle.  At less than $35 per rim 
 (about $60 if you get the anodized 
colors offered in the Rhyno Lite XL) 

 
the price is right for me. They have a long, proven track record, and build 
up nice, too. The XLs are mostly in stock, but like many bike parts, the 
CR-18s are hard to find in stock anywhere.
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:51:02 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:

> I'm 'patiently' waiting for Velocity Quill rims to come back in stock so I 
> can build another pair of wheels for my Hillborne.  Some took up baking or 
> woodworking during the pandemic.  It learned wheelbuilding.  Will be going 
> with the standard black rims as the polished silver versions add another 
> $40 to the standard $140 price tag.  Custom anodizing adds another $40 to 
> that, so $220 per rim is quite a bit. 
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:49:26 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately I'm not Bill I'm just dumb-old Joe and you already know I'm 
>> entirely besotted with this bicycle and my approval is assumed, so we shall 
>> move on to works in progress. One thing you COULD do if there's a decent 
>> wheel builder in the pro bro mountain bike shop is buy those rose rims when 
>> they're available, ride your current ones for a year-or-so, then put the 
>> new ones on. Is that crazy? Not any crazier than most of the changes and 
>> upgrades we do around here, that's what *I* say! 
>>
>> Joe "yes, she wore out these rims on Killer Hill in a year, it's time for 
>> new ones" Bernard 
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:18:38 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I picked up my bike (again) from the shop with newly “Riv-versed” 
>>> (perfect term coined by Mark Roland) levers and shifters. We need one more 
>>> adjustment to the left shifter (it’s not ergonomic; points to the ground, 
>>> making it impossible to thumb) and it’s good.
>>>
>>> Well...I’m anodizing a bunch of stuff from Analog again, so I suppose 
>>> it’s only done for NOW. When I forewent the rose rims that took most of the 
>>> rose out of my build, so I need to add some back in and tie it in with the 
>>> teal. I thought I would be done and riding off into the sunset and not 
>>> thinking on appearances anymore, but I’m finding it’s a process.
>>>
>>> The rack situation is a strange one. I barely have a fistful of seat 
>>> post and will likely need the large Nitto Rear Rack and am crossing my 
>>> fingers it doesn’t come up too high. I don’t want to make my bike heavier, 
>>> but it’s unnerving not being able to carry anything. I like the front 
>>> without a rack; I’ve always wanted a bike set up that way,  it it was 
>>> impractical. I have and like the light over the fork. So, I’ll most likely 
>>> get the rear rack.
>>>
>>> Tonight I got to set up my bars how I wanted them. I had bought and 
>>> stowed a beautiful little Spurcycle bell and iPhone mount for this 
>>> raspberry bike. My old mirror for my Betty Foy was installed, and finally, 
>>> a string of Christmas lights. I don’t know that I’ll keep the Bananasax, I 
>>> just can’t seem to work with it. I’ll keep trying. Clearly, the bike is not 
>>> finished, but it’s PROGRESS.
>>>
>>> Now, where is that Bill Lindsay guy - I want him to say APPROVE.
>>> Leah 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Comparing Rivendell Bikes to the old Bridgestones: Has anyone here experienced both a Rambouillet and an RB-T?

[Fullylugged]

Considering that the same person designed the RB-T and the Rambouillet 
within a few years of each other and they were both Japanese production, 
similarities in some respects are to be expected. Ram has a sloped TT, and 
uses heat treated material for the downtube and chainstays while the RB-T 
does not. The Ram feels stiffer but not unpleasantly so.  The differences 
in HT angle are enough to notice in handling characteristics. Ram is a 
neutral steerer that tracks though turns like it is on rails. Ram has 132.5 
OLD to accept either road or mountain hubs. It can be set up with road 
wheels and 25mm Contis for a fast club ride, or CX wheels with 1 1/2" 
Paselas for Townie, cruiser, or country road riding. It does both well.  I 
ride mustache bars on mine and like them when canted for comfortable grip 
although in the past the bike had Nitto Noodles.  The RB-T is more roadish, 
sharper cornering, and at 126 OLD, intended for freewheel equipment. It's 
easy to spread the stays and pop a 130 road hub in there.  I found that I 
wasn't riding my Bridgestone much compared to the Ram so I sold it some 
years ago.

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-6 Nathan Mattia wrote:

>
> *Has anyone here ridden both the Rambouillet AND an RB-T?  *Looking at 
> it’s geometry, the RB-T is very similar to geometry of a Rivendell 
> Rambouillet, more than a Hillborne or a Homer. 
>
> My RB-T is 56cm, so that's what I'm comparing and I was struck by the 
> similarities to the Rambouillet.  Note the level top-tube, similar 
> Standover heights, Seat-tube and Head-tube angles,  bottom bracket drop, 
> and chainstay lengths.  Do they ride similarly?  I don’t know.  But they 
> look almost the same.
>
> [image: IMG_5225.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_5226.jpeg]
>
>  In Rivendell Reader 32 from the Spring of 2004, Grant Petersen recalls 
> his time at Bridgestone and makes these proclamations:
>
> “Set up a scale from 1 to 100, and let’s agree to call our current 
> Rivendell customs a 100, and a Magna (department store) mountain bike a 5.
>
> The high-end Bstones were 45s, and the middle ones were 35s. [Let’s call 
> an RB-T a “40” then, in Grant’s estimation]. Comparably priced production 
> bikes in the late ‘80s and ‘90s were in the low 30s. Some of the better 
> production bikes in the early ‘80s—especially ’81 through ’85 (Specialized 
> Expedition, Sequoia, Centurion Dave Scott, Miyata 600)—were in the low 50s, 
> about 55. The Toyo-built bikes are 87s. “  
>
> Given this scale, I’d actually put the RB-T closer to a 75.  It's that 
> good.  
> If Grant wanted to place it in the Riv lineup today and move it up to an 
> 87, he’d just add 2 cm to the stays, put more eyelets on the frame for 
> racks and give it slightly bigger tire clearances.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2020-11-20 at 11.00.47 PM.png]
>
> Here’s what I know:  I like the flexiness of the RB-T frame.  I like how 
> quickly it gets up to speed.  I like to push it around downhill curves.  It 
> is NOT the work of art that is my Rivendell Sam Hillborne.   I take Samwise 
> when I want to forget about the effort of the ride and become one with the 
> beauty all around me.  I take the RB-T when I want to go fast and become 
> one with my bike.
>

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[RBW] Re: Black professional cyclist Justin Williams and team, from NYT

[Garth]

Patrick,  Well ain't that a kicker he's a cyclist... period. He's a he, 
a human, a living Being, period. The double-talk around "race", not to 
mention all the other terms/references used to quantify/compare people, is 
astounding to behold, since there no actual existence of such a thing. 
Compared to what ? What's the standard by which comparisons compare?  To 
comparisons, the standard by which it compares is but more of the same. You 
go round and round but never go anywhere. It's like picking up a dictionary 
to define a word all words are defined as what else ?... more words. 
Words referring to words. The whole book refers to nothing but the book. 

That's how I see all these articles about an assumptive dual nature of 
Life. One "side" lives off the "the other".. ..neither could exist 
independently as that would be the end of both. The contract is unbreakable 
in the sense that neither "side" would be left to experience the Liberation 
from it. Too hot handle, too cold to let go. 

So all these promises of "coming together" , "making amends"  *requires 
*separation and violation in order to exist. It's a cons con, the con 
conning the con for the sake of the con. The promises promise the breaking 
of the promise in order to keep the promise alive and promising. Isn't that 
funny ! 

None of that is Reality. Un-plug the cord that binds and what's left ?   L 
I F E   B E I N G !  

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:40:07 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This might be of interest to some.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/sports/justin-williams-cycling-L39ION.html?action=click&module=Features&pgtype=Homepage
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Comparing Rivendell Bikes to the old Bridgestones: Has anyone here experienced both a Rambouillet and an RB-T?

[Matt B.]

I have a '91 62cm RBT and agree it feels more sprite than my Rivendells, 
maybe with the exception of the 64cm Quickbeam.  I attribute the RBT's 
liveliness to standard diameter tubing (1" TT, 1 1/8" DT), since I have the 
same feeling on any the bikes I've owned or still own from the 80's when 
they all had this tubing diameter.   In smaller sizes like ~50cm I think 
the flexibility of the narrower tubing gets swallowed up by the compactness 
of the front triangle.

Matt

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:55:31 PM UTC-5 Nathan Mattia wrote:

> I had a 1992 50cm RB-T that was too small for me, no matter what I did to 
> it.  It was my first Bridgestone.  It felt neither lively, nor spritely.  
>
> But for some reason, this 56cm RB-T (same year) most definitely feels 
> supple.  I haven't ridden enough to know if it's planing or not, but my 
> guess would be no. It's just a lot faster than my Hillborne and my 
> Expedition.   Both were 700c wheels with stock parts.  It may be 
> counter-intuitive, but I think the larger frame helps with the feel.  
>
> It's just interesting to me that the 92 Bridgestone Catalog describes the 
> RB-T as being their Road-ish fire-trail capable bike, pretty much just like 
> Riv is describing a Sam Hillborne now.  But the bikes are not the same.
>
> I would like to try a Ram sometime, or even a Roadini.  I think I would 
> still want Moustache bars, though.  I can't stand the posture of drops.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:53:50 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've not ridden an RBT, but I have extensively ridden a blue-model (later 
>> one, I think, with more tire clearance) Ram and I *think* you'll find it 
>> spritely. Mine didn't "plane" for me that way that the best frames I've 
>> ridden have*, but it didn't at all feel sluggish in acceleration or for 
>> that matter handling, tho' I did prefer the slightly quicker turn-in of my 
>> 26" wheel road bikes.
>>
>> I don't know the tubing specs, but I doubt they were especially 
>> thick-walled.
>>
>> *I use "planing" provisionally; in my case it might not be planing as Jan 
>> describes it; it's just that some bikes encourage "1 cog smaller". The Ram 
>> didn't, but again, it didn't ever feel as if it held me back.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:46 AM Nathan Mattia  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> *Has anyone here ridden both the Rambouillet AND an RB-T?  *Looking at 
>>> it’s geometry, the RB-T is very similar to geometry of a Rivendell 
>>> Rambouillet, more than a Hillborne or a Homer. 
>>>
>>> My RB-T is 56cm, so that's what I'm comparing and I was struck by the 
>>> similarities to the Rambouillet.  Note the level top-tube, similar 
>>> Standover heights, Seat-tube and Head-tube angles,  bottom bracket drop, 
>>> and chainstay lengths.  Do they ride similarly?  I don’t know.  But they 
>>> look almost the same.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5225.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5226.jpeg]
>>>
>>>  In Rivendell Reader 32 from the Spring of 2004, Grant Petersen recalls 
>>> his time at Bridgestone and makes these proclamations:
>>>
>>> “Set up a scale from 1 to 100, and let’s agree to call our current 
>>> Rivendell customs a 100, and a Magna (department store) mountain bike a 5.
>>>
>>> The high-end Bstones were 45s, and the middle ones were 35s. [Let’s call 
>>> an RB-T a “40” then, in Grant’s estimation]. Comparably priced production 
>>> bikes in the late ‘80s and ‘90s were in the low 30s. Some of the better 
>>> production bikes in the early ‘80s—especially ’81 through ’85 (Specialized 
>>> Expedition, Sequoia, Centurion Dave Scott, Miyata 600)—were in the low 50s, 
>>> about 55. The Toyo-built bikes are 87s. “  
>>>
>>> Given this scale, I’d actually put the RB-T closer to a 75.  It's that 
>>> good.  
>>> If Grant wanted to place it in the Riv lineup today and move it up to an 
>>> 87, he’d just add 2 cm to the stays, put more eyelets on the frame for 
>>> racks and give it slightly bigger tire clearances.
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-11-20 at 11.00.47 PM.png]
>>>
>>> Here’s what I know:  I like the flexiness of the RB-T frame.  I like how 
>>> quickly it gets up to speed.  I like to push it around downhill curves.  It 
>>> is NOT the work of art that is my Rivendell Sam Hillborne.   I take Samwise 
>>> when I want to forget about the effort of the ride and become one with the 
>>> beauty all around me.  I take the RB-T when I want to go fast and become 
>>> one with my bike.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Garth]

Okay, I changed the format to .jpg and that worked to post both as an "add 
attachment" and "insert photo attachment". So if anyone has issues with 
posting photos , open the image, "save as" and change the file format to 
.jpg. I'm posting this with Chrome(book) OS and browser at the moment. 

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:30:33 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Testing testing  [image: Tosco.jpg]
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:28:02 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> Riv has a schematic of the Tosco with it's images. This #%&*^! format 
>> wouldn't post the .png image of the bars, then the page malfunctioned and I 
>> had to reload the page, rendering my entire reply lost in cyberspace.  The 
>> gist of which is  everything is alright. no matter what.
>>
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/products/ScreenShot2020-11-24at11.51.45AM_1600x.png
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Garth]

Riv has a schematic of the Tosco with it's images. This #%&*^! format 
wouldn't post the .png image of the bars, then the page malfunctioned and I 
had to reload the page, rendering my entire reply lost in cyberspace.  The 
gist of which is  everything is alright. no matter what.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/products/ScreenShot2020-11-24at11.51.45AM_1600x.png

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