Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Joe Bernard]

That bike with all its glorious teal and rose and Brooks and bags is - and 
there is no higher compliment from me - CRAZY. As the kids would say, it's 
ridiculous! Excellent work all around from Leah the parts/paint picker, 
Analog Cycles for the parts/ano, and the pro shop that put it all together. 
And Grant/Riv for the bike! 👏👏👏🏆🏆🏆

Joe "I have a custom and I'm still jealous of Leah's bike" Bernard

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:53:12 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> (This message should have preceded my photos, but it was too large and was 
> not sent. Since the file is too large, you can see it on Instagram or the 
> Facebook groups if you like.)
>
> Well, while we wait for the ship to be unloaded (MONDAY! 🥳), I made a 
> video of my Platy because...IT’S FINALLY COMPLETE. I was waiting on a bunch 
> of rose anodized parts and a Randi Jo bag in custom colors and all of those 
> things arrived on Thursday and I whisked the whole getup to the bike shop 
> for assembly. Here’s a video that may not show up. So after that, I’ll send 
> pics.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> 
>
> "For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell and 
> the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff."
>
> The way this would work in real like (cuz I'm the ebike liker around here) 
> is I would be in the parking lot selling that e-folder out of my trunk and 
> Grant would be chasing me off the premises 🤣
>
> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Mike M:  Just turn on closed captions for English-ish translation. 
>>
>> For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell and 
>> the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
>> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 12:23:18 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> Bluelug just posted a Platypus build video.
>>> I wish I understood Japanese!
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga8o1WKWgXs&t=537s
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[Ray Varella]

Seeing some of these bike collections makes me feel like the few I have 
aren’t such an indulgence. 

As for the Russian River Brewing Company, we have several customers in 
their immediate neighborhood and I’m in that area occasionally. I generally 
stop in and pick up some beer. 
I’ve tried quite a few of them and I really like their Happy Hops. It’s a 
single IPA there’s also another one called row 2 hill 56 which is the 
location on a hops farm where the particular hops is grown. 
Another plug is for Altamont Brewing in Livermore CA. I delivered some 
machinery there the other day and went home with some of their brew. The 
Maui IPA is their flagship brew that they built their brewery on. 
Great group, I’ll definitely go back. Likely on bike and take BART part of 
the way home. 

It seems like a lot of microbreweries have good relations with local 
cyclists. 
It would be nice if public transit improved to the point where more areas 
were better served. 

Ray
On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 6:50:03 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> This is mine in its usual somewhat chaotic state:
>
> [image: PXL_20210308_023835762 - Copy.jpg]
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Roberta]

My eyes and heart are dancing with giddy joy at your lovely Platypus!  How 
big was your smile on your ride tonight?

Roberta

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 10:53:12 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> (This message should have preceded my photos, but it was too large and was 
> not sent. Since the file is too large, you can see it on Instagram or the 
> Facebook groups if you like.)
>
> Well, while we wait for the ship to be unloaded (MONDAY! 🥳), I made a 
> video of my Platy because...IT’S FINALLY COMPLETE. I was waiting on a bunch 
> of rose anodized parts and a Randi Jo bag in custom colors and all of those 
> things arrived on Thursday and I whisked the whole getup to the bike shop 
> for assembly. Here’s a video that may not show up. So after that, I’ll send 
> pics.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> 
>
> "For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell and 
> the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff."
>
> The way this would work in real like (cuz I'm the ebike liker around here) 
> is I would be in the parking lot selling that e-folder out of my trunk and 
> Grant would be chasing me off the premises 🤣
>
> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Mike M:  Just turn on closed captions for English-ish translation. 
>>
>> For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell and 
>> the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
>> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 12:23:18 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> Bluelug just posted a Platypus build video.
>>> I wish I understood Japanese!
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga8o1WKWgXs&t=537s
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Leah Peterson]

(This message should have preceded my photos, but it was too large and was not 
sent. Since the file is too large, you can see it on Instagram or the Facebook 
groups if you like.)

Well, while we wait for the ship to be unloaded (MONDAY! 🥳), I made a video of 
my Platy because...IT’S FINALLY COMPLETE. I was waiting on a bunch of rose 
anodized parts and a Randi Jo bag in custom colors and all of those things 
arrived on Thursday and I whisked the whole getup to the bike shop for 
assembly. Here’s a video that may not show up. So after that, I’ll send pics.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> 
> "For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell and 
> the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff."
> 
> The way this would work in real like (cuz I'm the ebike liker around here) is 
> I would be in the parking lot selling that e-folder out of my trunk and Grant 
> would be chasing me off the premises 🤣
> 
>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>> Mike M:  Just turn on closed captions for English-ish translation. 
>> 
>> For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to Rivendell and 
>> the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They tried to sell me a 
>> fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 12:23:18 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>> Bluelug just posted a Platypus build video.
>>> I wish I understood Japanese!
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga8o1WKWgXs&t=537s
>>> 
>>> Mike M
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Convert to Tubeless?

[Roberta]

Analog did my tubeless conversion on two bikes 9 months ago, and I haven't 
had a problem.  Or, a flat.  
Roberta

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:46:57 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Okey dokey folks - I'm thinking I'd like to convert my Clem Smith (650b) 
> to tubeless. Reason being that my neighborhood and favorite route to the 
> trails is pretty much old school industrial and I'm constantly fighting 
> punctures from debris. Since the Alex rims look to support a tubeless set 
> up it seems like I'll need the following;
>
>- tubeless compatible tires
>- rim tape (Gorilla)
>- tubeless valve stems
>- tire sealant
>
> I have done the same conversion on a dirt motorcycle so familiar with the 
> concept and install procedures but...
>
> What am I missing? Any caveats? Am I mad to attempt this? Plus any other 
> advice would be most welcome.
>

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[RBW] Re: 2016 Joe Appaloosa questions

[Joe Bernard]

Yes and probably yes. I bought my first gen Appa in '16 and that looks like 
the right toptube number for my bike.
 

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 6:47:34 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Is 2016 the first year of this model?  Does this look like the appropriate 
> geometry chart?  
> https://i1.wp.com/restoringvintagebicycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/rivendell-appaloosa-bicycle-geometry_2048x2048.png?ssl=1
>
> I researched and think both of the above are correct.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
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[RBW] 2016 Joe Appaloosa questions

[Roberta]

Is 2016 the first year of this model?  Does this look like the appropriate 
geometry chart?  
https://i1.wp.com/restoringvintagebicycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/rivendell-appaloosa-bicycle-geometry_2048x2048.png?ssl=1

I researched and think both of the above are correct.

Thanks,
Roberta

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[RBW] WTT: New extralight Big Ones, 700C X 60, for equivalent (in weight, suppleness) in 44-48

[Patrick Moore]

Before I really try selling the Matthews roadbikefordirt, let me try some
skinnier tires, 44s to 48s. I'll trade 1-for-1 for the new Big Ones.

I want light, supple, tubeless compatible, quality similar to that of the
Big Ones. Prefer tires biased for pavement, and in any event that roll very
well on pavement.

For record, the Big Ones roll superlatively; as well if not better than my
RH road tires. Why trade? The Matthews does not handle as nimbly as I like;
hence desire to try it with sub 60 mm tires, but tires fat enough for
frame; minimum I should think is 42, I want at least 44.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: FS - Aussie Wool Shirt - High Neck Long-Sleeve - Mossy Green - Large

[Huston]

SOLD.  Thanks for your interest.

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 6:58:13 PM UTC-5 Huston wrote:

> Bump, reduction, and pics.  Let's say $50 shipped.  And, here's a link 
> 
>  
> to a couple of pics.  A couple of people have inquired about sizing.  Riv's 
> description is probably the best: full but not floppy.
>
> Thanks again,
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
>
> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 2:14:47 PM UTC-5 Huston wrote:
>
>> For sale is an Aussie Wool Shirt.  High neck, long sleeve.  Large in 
>> Mossy Green.  I purchased this shirt from Riv in December of 2020, but it 
>> is unfortunately too big for me.  Excellent condition: washed but otherwise 
>> like new.  $55 shipped to CONUS.  Please send a PM if interested.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Huston
>> Lexington, KY
>>
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[RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[George Schick]

Most of us don't know about Pliny the Younger because the Russian River 
Brewery doesn't distribute as far as the Midwest.  So you folks on the Left 
Coast can keep it all to yourselves and enjoy.


On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-6 Frank Brose wrote:

> Kudos to you Max. Most people don't know what a fine  lubricant Piney The 
> Younger  is.
>
> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 5:46:50 PM UTC-6 reynoldslugs wrote:
>
>> My tooling is modest, but the lubricants are all in order.  Phil Wood and 
>> Pliny the Younger.
>>
>> [image: IMG_4012.JPG]
>>
>> Max Beach
>> Santa Rosa CA
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:02:48 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I love seeing shops, tools and workbenches and thought it would be nice 
>>> to see where everyone works on their bikes. Here are a few views from my 
>>> shed. 
>>>
>>> [image: shed1.jpg][image: shed2.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: shed4.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Aussie Wool Shirt - High Neck Long-Sleeve - Mossy Green - Large

[Huston]

Bump, reduction, and pics.  Let's say $50 shipped.  And, here's a link 

 
to a couple of pics.  A couple of people have inquired about sizing.  Riv's 
description is probably the best: full but not floppy.

Thanks again,
Huston
Lexington, KY

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 2:14:47 PM UTC-5 Huston wrote:

> For sale is an Aussie Wool Shirt.  High neck, long sleeve.  Large in Mossy 
> Green.  I purchased this shirt from Riv in December of 2020, but it is 
> unfortunately too big for me.  Excellent condition: washed but otherwise 
> like new.  $55 shipped to CONUS.  Please send a PM if interested.
>
> Thanks,
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
>

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[RBW] CLAIMED!! You're too late! [Was: Free: pair of nice clip-on suspenders]

[Patrick Moore]

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[RBW] Re: Convert to Tubeless?

[John Bokman]

Thanks for that link Andrew. Very detailed.

-John

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 8:13:24 AM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I second Analog tubeless tape. Really great stuff. Here's another tutorial 
> for tubeless if needed: http://www.omtm.cc/tire-talk
>
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 6:29:56 AM UTC-6 spencer robinson wrote:
>
>> What Mike M. Said.  Also, Velocity A23/ gravel king tires are a good 
>> match, I have that combo on my Sam, they jumped on the rims with a floor 
>> pump
>>
>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> My experience is limited but so far (knock on wood) positive.
>>> Based on that, and understanding others feel differently (sometimes 
>>> strongly) here's my recommendation.
>>>
>>> Don't use Stans tubeless tape. It's too stiff, hard to apply just right, 
>>> and too thick.
>>> Don't use Gorilla tape for the reasons mentioned.
>>> Buy some of the economical and highly effective tubeless tape Analog 
>>> cycles sells. I don't know what it was originally, but the stuff works 
>>> great. Use two layers because.
>>> https://analogcycles.com/product/analog-tubeless-tape/
>>>
>>> I bought a Topek Tubibooster because a compressor was overkill for me, I 
>>> didn't want to have to depend on borrowing one from whoever, and I have a 
>>> friend who has been very successful with multiple tubeless set-ups using 
>>> this: 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Topeak-TubiBooster-One-Color-Size/dp/B084Z468P6
>>>
>>> That said, I haven't had to use it. I've so far been able to set up 
>>> tubeless with just a regular Joe Blow floor pump. I credit that to using 
>>> good tubeless rims (HED Belgium, Velocity Dually) and good tubeless 
>>> compatible tires (WTB Byway, WTB Trail Boss), the Analog tape, good 
>>> tubeless valves, and liberal soapy water on the beat before pumping 
>>> vigorously. So far has worked like a charm.
>>>
>>> We'll see if my luck continues. This week I'll be setting up some 
>>> Terravail Sparwood tires on WTB KOM i23 light rims. My next wheelset build 
>>> will be Velocity A23 rims with Panaracer Gravelking SK tires. Fingers 
>>> crossed.
>>>
>>> More tubeless info from Analog Cycles: 
>>> https://analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/
>>>
>>> Learning new bike skills is a good thing. 
>>>
>>> Do It & Good Luck!
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 8:46:57 PM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Okey dokey folks - I'm thinking I'd like to convert my Clem Smith 
 (650b) to tubeless. Reason being that my neighborhood and favorite route 
 to 
 the trails is pretty much old school industrial and I'm constantly 
 fighting 
 punctures from debris. Since the Alex rims look to support a tubeless set 
 up it seems like I'll need the following;

- tubeless compatible tires
- rim tape (Gorilla)
- tubeless valve stems
- tire sealant

 I have done the same conversion on a dirt motorcycle so familiar with 
 the concept and install procedures but...

 What am I missing? Any caveats? Am I mad to attempt this? Plus any 
 other advice would be most welcome.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Convert to Tubeless?

['Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No experience with tubeless myself, but this hack looks like an inexpensive 
substitute for a compressor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtmatxJG_zg.
Tom Milani
Alexandria, VA USA

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:13:24 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I second Analog tubeless tape. Really great stuff. Here's another tutorial 
> for tubeless if needed: http://www.omtm.cc/tire-talk
>
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 6:29:56 AM UTC-6 spencer robinson wrote:
>
>> What Mike M. Said.  Also, Velocity A23/ gravel king tires are a good 
>> match, I have that combo on my Sam, they jumped on the rims with a floor 
>> pump
>>
>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> My experience is limited but so far (knock on wood) positive.
>>> Based on that, and understanding others feel differently (sometimes 
>>> strongly) here's my recommendation.
>>>
>>> Don't use Stans tubeless tape. It's too stiff, hard to apply just right, 
>>> and too thick.
>>> Don't use Gorilla tape for the reasons mentioned.
>>> Buy some of the economical and highly effective tubeless tape Analog 
>>> cycles sells. I don't know what it was originally, but the stuff works 
>>> great. Use two layers because.
>>> https://analogcycles.com/product/analog-tubeless-tape/
>>>
>>> I bought a Topek Tubibooster because a compressor was overkill for me, I 
>>> didn't want to have to depend on borrowing one from whoever, and I have a 
>>> friend who has been very successful with multiple tubeless set-ups using 
>>> this: 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Topeak-TubiBooster-One-Color-Size/dp/B084Z468P6
>>>
>>> That said, I haven't had to use it. I've so far been able to set up 
>>> tubeless with just a regular Joe Blow floor pump. I credit that to using 
>>> good tubeless rims (HED Belgium, Velocity Dually) and good tubeless 
>>> compatible tires (WTB Byway, WTB Trail Boss), the Analog tape, good 
>>> tubeless valves, and liberal soapy water on the beat before pumping 
>>> vigorously. So far has worked like a charm.
>>>
>>> We'll see if my luck continues. This week I'll be setting up some 
>>> Terravail Sparwood tires on WTB KOM i23 light rims. My next wheelset build 
>>> will be Velocity A23 rims with Panaracer Gravelking SK tires. Fingers 
>>> crossed.
>>>
>>> More tubeless info from Analog Cycles: 
>>> https://analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/
>>>
>>> Learning new bike skills is a good thing. 
>>>
>>> Do It & Good Luck!
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 8:46:57 PM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Okey dokey folks - I'm thinking I'd like to convert my Clem Smith 
 (650b) to tubeless. Reason being that my neighborhood and favorite route 
 to 
 the trails is pretty much old school industrial and I'm constantly 
 fighting 
 punctures from debris. Since the Alex rims look to support a tubeless set 
 up it seems like I'll need the following;

- tubeless compatible tires
- rim tape (Gorilla)
- tubeless valve stems
- tire sealant

 I have done the same conversion on a dirt motorcycle so familiar with 
 the concept and install procedures but...

 What am I missing? Any caveats? Am I mad to attempt this? Plus any 
 other advice would be most welcome.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[Frank Brose]

Kudos to you Max. Most people don't know what a fine  lubricant Piney The 
Younger  is.

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 5:46:50 PM UTC-6 reynoldslugs wrote:

> My tooling is modest, but the lubricants are all in order.  Phil Wood and 
> Pliny the Younger.
>
> [image: IMG_4012.JPG]
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:02:48 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I love seeing shops, tools and workbenches and thought it would be nice 
>> to see where everyone works on their bikes. Here are a few views from my 
>> shed. 
>>
>> [image: shed1.jpg][image: shed2.jpg]
>>
>> [image: shed4.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ersed Shift Levers Install

[Joe Bernard]

Oh right, that's the part I forgot to mention..I don't actually like 
Riv-ersed levers. I think It's awkward even on Boscos with lots more room, 
but I'm in the minority on this. Lots of people like it!


On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 9:59:48 AM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:

> Thanks for all the tips everyone. I took care of the swap Friday evening. 
> I figured while adding the drag brake barcon I might as well switch 
> everything around. 
>
> The Sunrace levers had to be reversed as well. I tried to just reverse the 
> shifters but the clamp (like everyone said :) ) just got in the way of the 
> shift lever. Previously we had a gap between the brake lever and shifter 
> but with everything swapped, there wasn’t enough room between the shift 
> lever and the grip. Now the shifter, brake, and grip are stacked together. 
> I could see the Billy bar being a good solution as they have a longer, 
> straighter grip section. The Riv-ersed setup does interfere with the grip 
> section near the brake lever. We will see how it goes.  
>
> Also, the drag brake is great! Makes the tandem much more stable when 
> propping against a wall. Hopefully we can get a ride in today with some 
> good hills to really test it out. 
>
> Here’s some photos after the install. Sorry if they’re huge, I’m posting 
> from my phone. Thanks everyone for all the suggestions and advice!
>
>  
>
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Mar 5, 2021, at 09:45, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I'm glad Joe mentioned this, because I've been trying to solve this exact 
> problem. The Avid SD-7 levers (which are my favorites) interfere with 
> Riv-versed shifters no matter how they are swapped around, because the bolt 
> part of the clamp always points to the inside of the handlebar.
>
> It's good to know that I can dig around in my parts bin and find some 
> levers that don't get in the way of the shifter. 
>
> so basically - don't use Avid SD-7 brake levers if you're running 
> Riv-versed thumbies.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:18:15 AM UTC-6 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
> wrote:
>
>> Depending on what brake levers you have, you may not have to reverse 
>> them, too. My Paul and Shimano short pull levers don't jut out but my 
>> Sunrace linear pulls do so they kinda get in the way with the Riv-erse 
>> shifter set up. However I was able to scooch the shifters up the bar enough 
>> to clear the jut. 
>>
>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have the same shifters on my Atlantis set up "Riv-ersed" by Rivendell 
>>> and I freaking love it.
>>>
>>> One thing I'd add...there's nothing in the rule book that says you can't 
>>> shift your rear derailer with you left hand. If you wanted to use the 
>>> indexing function of your current right shifter, you absolutely can. I 
>>> bought a single Sunrace right shifter to Riv-up a non-Riv last summer and 
>>> realized after I received it that I had to put it on the left side to get 
>>> it "inboard" style. The bike was a 1x so it was not an issue...I had a new 
>>> shifter cable ready to go, ran it from the left side, and never had a 
>>> problem with it. 
>>>
>>> In fact...I ALMOST asked Riv to run the left shifter to the rear 
>>> derailer and right to front when I ordered it, but I didn't want to seem 
>>> like a weirdo. :) 
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 1:17:10 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 No mods needed with these, you just lose the index option on the 
 formerly-right-rear shifter that's now your left front. The nifty thing 
 about this setup is the normally-left-front has a nice ratcheting action 
 like Silvers, which is great for rear shifting. Don't forget to swap the 
 brake levers, too, so the jutting-out part is still opposite of the 
 shifters. 

 On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:53:38 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> I've got the Microshift 9speed thumb shifters on Albatross bars 
> installed the normal way (outside, top). I'm looking for info on setting 
> them up on the inside like this:
>  
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/06/brifter-bliss-for-swept-back-handlebars.html
>  
> 
>
> Is it just a matter of moving the left to the right and vise versa? I 
> recall some modification needing to be done to the Sunrace shift body, is 
> it the same with the Microshift?
>
> These are the levers I've got: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/microshift-thumb-shifters-9-speed-sl-t09
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
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[RBW] For Sale, Nitto stems, asst headsets, Simplex Super LJ +Japanese workshirt

[Ray Varella]

The following stems are all Nitto 26.0 clamp diameter
Nitto Pearl 7cm  130mm in overall height, earlier version with Pearl 
spelled out
Very nice $60
Nitto Technomic Deluxe 9cm 180mm overall height. 
Very nice $55
Nitto I-beam 7cm 180mm overall height, unused, unmounted 
$45

All headsets are British thread, 26.4 crown race diameter

Tange Passage new in box $20

Shimano 600 EX lightly used, very good condition. This has the threaded cap 
and preload nuts that look like sprockets with rounded teeth. 
$55

Shimano Dura Ace, chrome steel, super nice. Never mounted, no box but 
complete and excellent. 
$100

Simplex Super LJ front and rear derailleurs plus Simplex retro friction 
shifters. All new old stock, no packaging, never used, never mounted. 
$350 shipped priority. 
New with tags Japanese workwear denim sage workshirt. 
Made by the Rite Stuff in Japan, super nice, extremely well made. 
Tag says extra large, fits like an American large in a bit slimmer cut that 
typical American large shirts. 
$125 shipped priority. 

Shipping on all other items is $8 priority or free for two or more items. 
Files are too large to post. Email for pictures 

Please reply off list to rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 

Thank you 
Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: Parts for sale

[Dave Redmon]

Eric, the 3 chain rings and 2 Soma stem parts come to $85. Send me your zip
code and I'll calculate shipping.

Dave

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021, 10:36 PM saintruggler  wrote:

> PM sent RE: Soma stem adapter, Shotwell stem, 36t and 48t Sugino rings and
> Avid MTB levers.
>
> -Eric
>
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 1:58:47 PM UTC-8 Dave Redmon wrote:
>
>> Prices are marked. Shipping is extra. I'll pay half cost of larger items
>> like handlebars and the Tubus Tara. Albastache bars include levers, cables
>> and bartape, but I'll separate parts if necessary. Likewise with threadless
>> stems and stem adaptors. Free stuff listed at end. Email me offline for
>> prices on separated items and for photos.
>> Thanks--Dave in Kansas
>>
>> *80 Handlebar Nitto Albastache 23.8 dia alum silver 56 cm + yellow Fizik
>> bar tape + silver Tektro RL 520 for V brakes and 23.8 handlebars + brake
>> cables VG   *
>>
>> *60 Handlebar MAP Ahearne alum silver 620mm x 22.4 like new VG  (I”ll pay
>> half shipping cost)*
>>
>> *35 Handlebar Velo Orange Left Bank (like Nitto “baby Bosco”) 49cm x 22.2
>> VG (I’ll pay half shipping cost)*
>>
>> *10 Sakae GT vintage silver alum drop bar 43cm – cut this down for your
>> Fixie bike G (I‘ll  pay half shipping cost)*
>>
>> *14 Fizik performance yellow bar tape. This was a color experiment VG*
>>
>> *14 Fizik performance orange bar tape.  Another color experiment VG*
>>
>> *20 Dimension threadless stem, silver, 26mm x 100mm x 35 degrees VG
>> (pic=A & D)*
>>
>> *20 Soma Shotwell threadless stem, silver, 26mm x 100mm x 83/7 degrees VG
>> (pic=B & C)*
>>
>> *20 Profile threadless stem adaptor, silver 130mm long, for 1 1/8”
>> steerer VG (pic = C & B)*
>>
>> *20 Soma threadless stem adaptor, silver, 290mm long, for 1 1/8” steerer
>> VG (pic = D & A)*
>>
>> *4 Ritchey classic stem top cap silver for 1 1/8” no bolt VG*
>>
>> *4 Stem top cap black plastic for 1 1/8” no bolt VG*
>>
>> *60 Microshift BS-T10 bar-end shifters for 10 speed cassette, dual
>> settings on rear shifter, set of 2. Like new*
>>
>> *30 Shimano 9 speed XT rear derailer RD-M771 black VG*
>>
>> *20 SUNTOUR vintage bar-con shifter, one friction ratchet (not indexed)
>> black rubber lever cover, smooth with all hardware intact
>> VG  *
>>
>> *18 SHIMANO vintage bar-con shifter, one friction (not indexed)  black
>> rubber lever cover, smooth with all hardware intact, looks like Suntour
>> vintage bar-cons VG*
>>
>> *60 Tubus Tara front rack black with full mounting kit for forks without
>> threaded holes VG*
>>
>> *25 SKS front fender SKS, P50 fits 700c or 650b rim, with standard 14”
>> safety front + rear stays and SKS black flap. New, never used (I’ll pay
>> half shipping cost)*
>>
>> *4 SKS fender stays, with standard safety front + rear, cut to 11.5”
>> length to fit 26” wheel VG*
>>
>> *15 Sugino silver alum chain ring 36T 110 x 74 BCD G*
>>
>> *15 Sugino silver alum chain ring 46T 110 x 74  BCD ramped and pinned VG*
>>
>> *15 Sugino silver alum chain ring 48T x110 x 74 BCD G*
>>
>> *10 BBG bashguard 130 x 38 BCD silver alum VG*
>>
>> *30 Headset, FSA OrbitX for threaded 1” steerer. Like new*
>>
>> *10 Avid MTB brake levers, black with red knobs to adjust finger reach. G*
>>
>> *18 Delta stem raiser for 1 1/8” steerer raises bars up to 3 ¼”; new
>> still on retail card*
>>
>> *15 MKS Sylvan Touring silver pedals, smooth bearings, no rust
>> VG  *
>>
>> *4 SKS TopCage water bottle holder, Velcro straps, black, new on retail
>> card *
>>
>> *2 Flashlight holder, sturdy, quick and secure attachments, black VG*
>>
>> *4 Front hub skewer 100mm silver no rust VG*
>>
>> *4 Rear hub skewer 135mm silver no rust VG*
>>
>> *5 Seatpost shims:  silver 80mm 25.7 to 28.7, black 40mm 25.7 to 28.7
>> both VG*
>>
>> *7 Pedal clips with hardware, unbranded set, strapless sturdy black
>> plastic cup toes-only cage attaches to standard platform pedals, 6cm toe
>> length. Clean VG*
>>
>> *10 Power Grip straps for standard platform pedals, two full sets,
>> black/silver with hardware, each G*
>>
>> *10 Bar-end handles Profile Design 112mm, black alum, new on retail card*
>>
>> *5 Bar-end handles, curved, no brand visible, black, 100mm VG*
>>
>> *10 Greenfield kickstand black, with all hardware, 240mm. Like new *
>>
>> *4 Zefal AFA frame pump umbrella clip, silver VG*
>>
>> *3 Frame pump point clip, black and silver VG *
>>
>> *6 Basket stretch netting, black with black metal hooks, like
>> new  *
>>
>> *4 Map case, Velcro mounting straps G*
>>
>> *5 Quick release short skewers for seat tubes with broad levers, silver,
>> two, each VG*
>>
>> *FREE Front brake cable holder and adjusting screw, silver, 22.3 dia for
>> 1” steerers G*
>>
>> *FREE Front brake cable holder, lowers cable height by 35mm 22.3 dia for
>> 1” steerers VG*
>>
>> *FREE Nylon carry straps, 2 black, 1” x approx 30” with plastic clips,
>> each. Bundled, never used

[RBW] Re: WTB: silver rear hub, 32h, 135mm, 11spd (or 8-10) (Velo Orange, Shimano, White, others)

[Pancake]

Parts all ordered, hub no longer needed, thanks everyone!

For the curious, here's my planned build @ $427 for silver polished 
wheelset including dynamo and semi fancy rear hub. 

   - Front: 
  - Hub: Kasai polished 32h dynamo ($133 from Bikeman.com)
  - Rim: Velo Orange Voyager 700c 32h (2 for $110 from RBW list member)
  - Spokes: Sapim Race (same as DT Swiss Competition at 2.0-1.8-2.0 
  double butted) - ($0.80 each - front uses 32 spokes at 292mm long for 
spoke 
  calculation of 291.3mm $27 includes a spare)
  - Nipples: DT Swiss brass 12mm ($4 for 32)
  - Rim tape laying around (Orange Seal or Velocity $12 is enough for 
  front and rear)
   - Rear:
  - Hub: Bitex BX106r 32h 10/11 speed silver ($110)
  - Rim: Velo Orange Voyager 700c 32h (see above)
  - Spokes: Sapim Race (same as DT Swiss Competition at 2.0-1.8-2.0 
  double butted) - (rear uses 16 spokes at 292mm long for spoke calculation 
  of 291.5mm, and 16 spokes at 294mm long for spoke calculation of 293.1mm)
  - Nipples: DT Swiss brass 12mm ($4 for 32)
  - Rim tape laying around (see above)
   - Doesn't include some tools I bought or already had:
   - Bikehand truing stand ($150)
  - ParkTool dishing tool ($22 for the portable one)
  - Nipple driver I made with an old flathead screw bit - 2.5mm long 
  tip (otherwise $13 for the Unior bit)
  - When use them tubeless (maybe) will need some Stan's fluid I 
  already have (probably $10) plus two valves (also laying around, normally 
  $15)
  - Ztto (cheap) tension meter $22 - probably improperly calibrated but 
  I'll use it to get close and consistent between spokes.
   

On Monday, 1 March 2021 at 12:36:45 UTC-8 Pancake wrote:

> Thanks for all the responses!
>
> I found out that Riv has the FH-T610 ($30) and FH-T670 
>  
> ($60) which is now the most affordable and easy option I've got. Thanks 
> Rich! *I'm still hoping someone has another VO or Bitex or White 
> Industries (or similar) that they want to sell second hand - I guess I want 
> some of the fanciness without all the original cost ... anyone?*
>
> *Bitex* - This is suddenly a great option as a middle ground between 
> Shimano T670 / T610 and the fancier stuff. I couldn't find the right option 
> at first, but it looks like the *BX106R 
>  would work (though with 
> a centerlock attachment* but that's good for having options later I 
> suppose - it doesn't stand out visually either). I see a price of $119.95 
> in my cart from bikehubstore.com, though the website text says "$109.95" 
> for Black or Silver (emailed them about that). Free shipping too! I had 
> assumed I could only find these at Analog and at a higher price, so this is 
> great news and *my current plan/choice*.
> For future reference, the rim brake only Bitex hub is BX101R with the 
> 135mm x 10mm axle and 10/11 speed Shimano freehub body. 
> There's also a bolt on disc model, MTR12, that would work hypothetically, 
> but I'm trying to avoid the bolt on as it would look a bit odd without a 
> disc on it.
>
> *11 speed optional* - only really interested in an 11 speed hub because 
> it would be compatible with 9 speed (when including a spacer behind the 
> cassette) and would also potentially be available on a 11 speed cassette in 
> the future (should I ever go 1x11 which doesn't seem likely for years to 
> come, but still, I like having options I guess). Good tips on compatibility 
> of different cassettes on these hub bodies though!
>
> *Grand Bois* - beautiful but I think only available in 126mm or 130mm 
> width (I need 135mm).
>
> Shimano XTR FH-M910 on ebay 
> 
>  
> for $65 just listed too. I think these are from the mid or late 90's? 
> Interesting and polished option.
>
> Thanks for the excellent info and suggestions! Planning on buying that 
> Bitex BX106r from bikehubstore, I guess I'll get the butted (2.0-1.8-2.0) 
> spokes and some brass nipples there too. 
>
> Now onto the front wheel I suppose: Kasai Dynacoil RB F Q/R Hub, 9x100mm, 
> 32h - Hi Polish . The polished 
> version doesn't seem to be available at Rivendell so looking to order from 
> Bikeman.com for $133. 
>
> So I think I end up with an all polished / silver wheelset for a 
> reasonable price! 
>
>- Front: 
>   - Hub: Kasai polished 32h dynamo ($133)
>   - Rim: Velo Orange Voyager 700c 32h (2 for $110)
>   - Spokes: DT Swiss double butted competition (64 for $64)
>   - Nipples: DT Swiss brass 12mm (64 for $8)
>   - Rim tape laying around (Orange Seal or Velocity)
>- Rear:
>   - Hub: Bitex BX106r 32h 10/11 speed silver ($110)
>   - Rim, spokes, nipples same as above.
>   

[RBW] Re: Convert to Tubeless?

[Andrew Turner]

I second Analog tubeless tape. Really great stuff. Here's another tutorial 
for tubeless if needed: http://www.omtm.cc/tire-talk

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 6:29:56 AM UTC-6 spencer robinson wrote:

> What Mike M. Said.  Also, Velocity A23/ gravel king tires are a good 
> match, I have that combo on my Sam, they jumped on the rims with a floor 
> pump
>
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> My experience is limited but so far (knock on wood) positive.
>> Based on that, and understanding others feel differently (sometimes 
>> strongly) here's my recommendation.
>>
>> Don't use Stans tubeless tape. It's too stiff, hard to apply just right, 
>> and too thick.
>> Don't use Gorilla tape for the reasons mentioned.
>> Buy some of the economical and highly effective tubeless tape Analog 
>> cycles sells. I don't know what it was originally, but the stuff works 
>> great. Use two layers because.
>> https://analogcycles.com/product/analog-tubeless-tape/
>>
>> I bought a Topek Tubibooster because a compressor was overkill for me, I 
>> didn't want to have to depend on borrowing one from whoever, and I have a 
>> friend who has been very successful with multiple tubeless set-ups using 
>> this: 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Topeak-TubiBooster-One-Color-Size/dp/B084Z468P6
>>
>> That said, I haven't had to use it. I've so far been able to set up 
>> tubeless with just a regular Joe Blow floor pump. I credit that to using 
>> good tubeless rims (HED Belgium, Velocity Dually) and good tubeless 
>> compatible tires (WTB Byway, WTB Trail Boss), the Analog tape, good 
>> tubeless valves, and liberal soapy water on the beat before pumping 
>> vigorously. So far has worked like a charm.
>>
>> We'll see if my luck continues. This week I'll be setting up some 
>> Terravail Sparwood tires on WTB KOM i23 light rims. My next wheelset build 
>> will be Velocity A23 rims with Panaracer Gravelking SK tires. Fingers 
>> crossed.
>>
>> More tubeless info from Analog Cycles: 
>> https://analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/
>>
>> Learning new bike skills is a good thing. 
>>
>> Do It & Good Luck!
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 8:46:57 PM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okey dokey folks - I'm thinking I'd like to convert my Clem Smith (650b) 
>>> to tubeless. Reason being that my neighborhood and favorite route to the 
>>> trails is pretty much old school industrial and I'm constantly fighting 
>>> punctures from debris. Since the Alex rims look to support a tubeless set 
>>> up it seems like I'll need the following;
>>>
>>>- tubeless compatible tires
>>>- rim tape (Gorilla)
>>>- tubeless valve stems
>>>- tire sealant
>>>
>>> I have done the same conversion on a dirt motorcycle so familiar with 
>>> the concept and install procedures but...
>>>
>>> What am I missing? Any caveats? Am I mad to attempt this? Plus any other 
>>> advice would be most welcome.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] R

[bo richardson]

peter green
the comment about dark cold wet dreary are confirmed in my visit to britain 
in the mid 60s
the videos of kids and the band having a great time
with peter green and fleetwood mac
what a lost era
as pete townsend said for a skinny not great looking fellow with a big nose
his guitar was a ticket to girls

if done well, not obvious comparisons can reveal oblique insights.
george orwell wrote a comparison of james joyce and henry miller
orwells  piece revealed a lot i never saw about what both writers were up 
it  made my jaw drop

i will check out some of the other guitarists mentioned
i love my Rambouillet

On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 8:17:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> About 3:17: clarinet solo: honking a hill in a 70" gear with strong wind 
> at your back.
>
> The Jerry Garcia of clarinetists.
>
> Over and out.
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 9:09 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Very late to the party as usual, but the band merits its mention.
>>
>> Bike content: Riv custom road clone built for 1930s-1950s SA hub gears, 
>> music: one of Tuba Skinny's classics, late version:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I-aWr8uvgw
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 8:05 AM Den John  wrote:
>>
>>> OK, since we're off topic anyway, which companies/individual 
>>> framebuilders can be compared with which classic rock bands/musicians? 
>>> Here's a couple of attempts:
>>>
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[Eric Marth]

Let's call it a gift, then. I regret not getting a coat of semi-transparent 
flat white primer on my plywood before I built all the tool holders and 
shelves. They're removable... maybe one day. 
On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 7:56:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:

>
> Ha, thanks, Eric, but I inherited the color scheme from my wife.  I really 
> don’t have an eye for that sort of thing.
>
> Bill S
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 12:29:32 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Pretty rad, Bill! I like those yellow walls and the white plywood. Not 
>> enough paint goes up in most shops. 
>>
>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 12:12:09 PM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>>> My wife's woodshop was in the garage but she moved it to commercial 
>>> space so I converted the space to my bike shop.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Salt Lake City Cycling Question

[Glen]

The only area I am aware of that goat heads are an issue is one section of 
the main north/south multi purpose trail (Jordan River Trail) and SLCo has 
an active eradication program. The trail is usually very clear of them but 
the shoulders can trap them in the cinders/gravel. Your current tires will 
be perfect for most of your riding here. 

Feel free to DM if you have any questions you'd like to ask a fellow 
mid-atlantic transplant.

On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 7:43:51 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:

> Looks like the family and I are relocating to Salt Lake City. Question for 
> fellow Utah listers: How big of a problem are goat heads? I was on the 
> verge of ordering a new dynamo wheel a few months ago but held off in case 
> going fully tubeless winds up making more sense. In New Jersey, where we 
> have glass but not thorns, I've been running Rene Herse tires in 700x44 
> with tubes and had no flat issues. I gather that this setup is not going to 
> serve me especially well out west. Do I put sealant in my tubes? Go fully 
> tubeless? Or would something like the Soma Shikoro be enough as long as I'm 
> riding mostly road/gravel?
>
> Best,
>
> Brady in NJ/soon to be Utah
>

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[RBW] Re: question re Brooks leather bar tape

[Marc Irwin]

I felt the same way when I bought Brooks tape.  I even felt silly buying it 
on a markdown.  But it lasts and lasts and still looks and feels great 15 
years later.

Marc


On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 9:30:11 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> So I splurged and bought this fancy, pricey bar tape. I'm embarrassed to 
> admit what I paid for it, but now I've got it. Does anyone have any 
> experience with it? That is, do I install it the same way I install 
> Newbaum's, or is there some special method for this stuff? 
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Convert to Tubeless?

[spencer robinson]

What Mike M. Said.  Also, Velocity A23/ gravel king tires are a good match, 
I have that combo on my Sam, they jumped on the rims with a floor pump

On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

> My experience is limited but so far (knock on wood) positive.
> Based on that, and understanding others feel differently (sometimes 
> strongly) here's my recommendation.
>
> Don't use Stans tubeless tape. It's too stiff, hard to apply just right, 
> and too thick.
> Don't use Gorilla tape for the reasons mentioned.
> Buy some of the economical and highly effective tubeless tape Analog 
> cycles sells. I don't know what it was originally, but the stuff works 
> great. Use two layers because.
> https://analogcycles.com/product/analog-tubeless-tape/
>
> I bought a Topek Tubibooster because a compressor was overkill for me, I 
> didn't want to have to depend on borrowing one from whoever, and I have a 
> friend who has been very successful with multiple tubeless set-ups using 
> this: 
> https://www.amazon.com/Topeak-TubiBooster-One-Color-Size/dp/B084Z468P6
>
> That said, I haven't had to use it. I've so far been able to set up 
> tubeless with just a regular Joe Blow floor pump. I credit that to using 
> good tubeless rims (HED Belgium, Velocity Dually) and good tubeless 
> compatible tires (WTB Byway, WTB Trail Boss), the Analog tape, good 
> tubeless valves, and liberal soapy water on the beat before pumping 
> vigorously. So far has worked like a charm.
>
> We'll see if my luck continues. This week I'll be setting up some 
> Terravail Sparwood tires on WTB KOM i23 light rims. My next wheelset build 
> will be Velocity A23 rims with Panaracer Gravelking SK tires. Fingers 
> crossed.
>
> More tubeless info from Analog Cycles: 
> https://analogcycles.com/true-facts-components/analogs-tubeless-set-up-guide/
>
> Learning new bike skills is a good thing. 
>
> Do It & Good Luck!
>
> Mike M
>
> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 8:46:57 PM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okey dokey folks - I'm thinking I'd like to convert my Clem Smith (650b) 
>> to tubeless. Reason being that my neighborhood and favorite route to the 
>> trails is pretty much old school industrial and I'm constantly fighting 
>> punctures from debris. Since the Alex rims look to support a tubeless set 
>> up it seems like I'll need the following;
>>
>>- tubeless compatible tires
>>- rim tape (Gorilla)
>>- tubeless valve stems
>>- tire sealant
>>
>> I have done the same conversion on a dirt motorcycle so familiar with the 
>> concept and install procedures but...
>>
>> What am I missing? Any caveats? Am I mad to attempt this? Plus any other 
>> advice would be most welcome.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: question re Brooks leather bar tape

[Frank Brose]

Yes is the short answer but I always tend to pull leather a little tighter. 
I personally like leather tape. It'll outlast me.
Frank

On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 8:30:11 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:

> So I splurged and bought this fancy, pricey bar tape. I'm embarrassed to 
> admit what I paid for it, but now I've got it. Does anyone have any 
> experience with it? That is, do I install it the same way I install 
> Newbaum's, or is there some special method for this stuff? 
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts. 
>

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