Re: [RBW] Re: Repaints

[Peter Adler]

I had a long CR-ish conversation with the SSInk rep at NAHBS in Sacramento 
years back (2010? 2011? I can't remember). He said that consumers couldn't 
order decals from them directly; the order had to come through a retailer, 
a frame builder or a painter. This was intended to prevent scammers palming 
off lower grade frames as name brand items on unsuspecting consumers. Since 
several prominent CRers fit into one or more of those categories, I had 
speculated on the idea of having one of them act as a middleman for the 
production/distribution of decals from smaller defunct marques, but I never 
followed through with it. Has SSI liberalized their sales policy since then?

If you need Riv decals, I don't see any reason that Riv HQ wouldn't act as 
your go-between with SSI, assuming your painter can't get them directly. Or 
are you refinishing the frameset on your own?
On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 5:32:15 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> Good detective work Andy. Way back I recall Grant talking about decals and 
> I’m quite sure he referred to SSI as Riv’s supplier.
>
> For all those interested I hope SSI will accommodate one off requests.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:31 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>
> Make that Sheet 3. (duh)
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 5:28:52 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Here's a decal/sticker/transfer source to try for a Ram refinish:  
>> https://www.sssink.com
>>
>> Their site, if you follow the restoration links, brings you to this nice 
>> map: 
>> https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers/user-33557364/documents/5bbb55602e97eyjktBn0/2018%20SSSink%20painter%20map.pdf
>>
>> In their alphabetic listings, Rivendell, Sheet 4, is this valued image: 
>> [image: 
>> Screen Shot 2021-04-15 at 5.25.02 AM.png]
>>
>> They were vendors at the last Philly Bike Expo and appear to have a deep 
>> catalog and multitudes of format types to satisfy your insignia wishes the 
>> refinishing. Nice folks and sounded like they were very experienced in 
>> their work. I do believe they will make one offs as well. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 8:34:38 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with Andy and Paul on the paint work Mr. Coast has done for his 
>>> frames. A Vanilla Shake Ram with the right accents could look mighty sweet! 
>>> Designate the color as Sheepswool Cream, beige or off white!
>>>
>>> Riv does not have Ram decals so you'll have to have them made. Bruce 
>>> (Fully Lugged) on this list had decals made for his Ram. If Bruce checks in 
>>> here regularly he can give you his contact. Of course the Riv folks may be 
>>> able to connect you with a vendor who makes one off decals.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4 LBleriot wrote:
>>>
 I found some blistering on my protovelo Romulus and after getting 
 quotes from Coast and Waterford, I decided to have my local auto body shop 
 respray the frame.  It’s a single color with no panel on the head tube and 
 no decals.  For $75 I got a beautiful respray that matches the original 
 color on the fork perfectly.  It took a day and I avoided the hassle of 
 shipping.  Something to consider.  If it was my orange Ram, I might get on 
 the Joe Bell list and go through the effort. 

 On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 3:20:23 PM UTC-4 Buck Flagg wrote:

> Hello, group! Help needed!
>
> I am getting to the point with my RivBike that I will soon be needing 
> a repaint. My fifteen year-old Rambouillet is a four-season commuter with 
> around 55K miles on it, 99% racked up on NYC streets and bike lanes. With 
> all that, not to mention daily chaining to a bike rack, it would be 
> impossible to maintain a frame in pristine condition but now my periodic 
> inspections are starting to turn up evidence of corrosion causing wee 
> blisters in the original paint in a few places.
>
> The Rivendell website page on repaints lists a couple of shops in CA 
> and Waterford.
>
> Anyone here have any wisdom/experience/opinions on this subject they'd 
> care to offer regarding these or any other paint shops? Ideally, I'd love 
> to find someone with mad skilz in the greater NYC area who has experience 
> with the Rivendell product and access to the Rivendell decals.
>
> Very grateful, in advance, for any help!
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[RBW] Re: 25.4 60mm technomic stem baby boscos crank bros candy pedals and more!

[Philip Barrett]

Color on those feedbags?

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 10:46:06 PM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 14, 2021, at 10:44 PM, sam.per...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > All prices for local Bay Area pick up , will ship If buyer pays 
> shipping! Will gladly send pictures of each item.
> > 
> > -Technomic stem 25.4 60cm ,paid 80 selling $50
> > 
> > -Baby bosco paid 58 selling for $45
> > 
> > -Crank brothers candy ( purchased at rei a while back in the used sale. 
> Never got around to installing them, they are in used condition. Includes 
> used cleats and bolts. $40
> > 
> > Shram 10sp bar end shifters $60
> > 
> > VO front rack with integrated decalure, this one is compatible with 
> caliper style breaks. ( I don’t see these on the website anymore) $65 
> > 
> > Revelate design feed bag. Have 2 for sale $30 each.
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[brendonoid]

Inverted Billie Bars! Solves the reach problems I had with moustache bars 
but still gives me that lovely forward hooks position that makes moustache 
bars so great. 

On Friday, 16 April 2021 at 10:15:50 UTC+8 David Hays wrote:

> Very nice Brendon. What bars are those?
> Thanks. 
> David
>
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> On Apr 15, 2021, at 10:02 PM, brendonoid  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I finally got all my parts for my 'Picnic Bike' build and managed to get 
> it all together last weekend. Only done a few short test rides and cannot 
> wait to ride it all this weekend! So excited!
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 57cm Protovelo $1950

[Brendan Willard in SF]

Edit: 46/30 cranks... you just got faster.

On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 7:14:54 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> One too many bikes here, and I think I want to throw money at my next BMC 
> build.
>
> pics here 
> 
>
> I'd like to sell locally so UPS/Fedex don't crush another nice bike by 
> stacking it sideways under a refrigerator.
>
> 56/57cm (I'll go measure tomorrow) Protovelo- I'm pretty sure this is the 
> Bleriot Geometry, but I really don't know.
>
> Clear over raw frame with the normal touches of oxidation under.
>
> SON/White Industries to Velocity A23 rims
> Compass/Rene Herse 650x42 Extralight tires
> Nitto Stem
> Simworks So Bar 50cm
> Gevenalle Brake Levers with Riv Silver Shifters
> Nitto S83 SP
> Paul Racers- Silver Front, Black Back because mismatched Pauls is the new 
> upside down Chris King
> IRD Defiant 44/30 170mm Cranks
> IRD BB
> IRD Sub C FD
> XT RD
> 11-36 Cassette
> Front Light, Pedals, and Seat not included.
>
> I'm sure I forgot something, and I'm sure I'll be reminded what within the 
> hour.
>
> pics here 
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[David]

Very nice Brendon. What bars are those?
Thanks. 
David

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 15, 2021, at 10:02 PM, brendonoid  wrote:
> 
> 
> I finally got all my parts for my 'Picnic Bike' build and managed to get it 
> all together last weekend. Only done a few short test rides and cannot wait 
> to ride it all this weekend! So excited!
> 
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[RBW] FS: 57cm Protovelo $1950

[Brendan Willard in SF]

One too many bikes here, and I think I want to throw money at my next BMC 
build.

pics here 


I'd like to sell locally so UPS/Fedex don't crush another nice bike by 
stacking it sideways under a refrigerator.

56/57cm (I'll go measure tomorrow) Protovelo- I'm pretty sure this is the 
Bleriot Geometry, but I really don't know.

Clear over raw frame with the normal touches of oxidation under.

SON/White Industries to Velocity A23 rims
Compass/Rene Herse 650x42 Extralight tires
Nitto Stem
Simworks So Bar 50cm
Gevenalle Brake Levers with Riv Silver Shifters
Nitto S83 SP
Paul Racers- Silver Front, Black Back because mismatched Pauls is the new 
upside down Chris King
IRD Defiant 44/30 170mm Cranks
IRD BB
IRD Sub C FD
XT RD
11-36 Cassette
Front Light, Pedals, and Seat not included.

I'm sure I forgot something, and I'm sure I'll be reminded what within the 
hour.

pics here 


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[RBW] wtb: 10 speed compatible wheelset 700c

[Justin]

Howdy Bunch

Kinda cross posting, I'm looking for a wheelset for a friend in Grants Pass 
who is getting back on the bike and dusting off his single speed Surly 
Cross Check. He's no longer in PDX and the single speed just isn't going to 
cut it, we gotta take care of our knees at our age. I've got him sold on 
trying the Microshift Advent X groupset and the last piece to the puzzle is 
wheels. His rear wheel was trashed long ago and I don't think they could 
have handled a tire bigger than 38 anyway, and we hope to max out the tire 
clearance for the Cross Check at around 48. front 100mm / rear 135mm

So if you have anything that fits or know a good place to look for new give 
me a holler. I'm looking at used just to try to keep it affordable for him. 
If you are local great, if not that's ok as well. I do realize it's still 
Covid times and folks aren't letting things go as easily as before, but 
it's worth a shot.

thanks and peace
J

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[RBW] wtb: 11 speed compatible wheelset 700c

[Justin]

Howdy Bunch

Kinda cross posting, I'm looking for a wheelset for a friend in Grants Pass 
who is getting back on the bike and dusting off his single speed Surly 
Cross Check. He's no longer in PDX and the single speed just isn't going to 
cut it, we gotta take care of our knees at our age. I've got him sold on 
trying the Microshift Advent X groupset and the last piece to the puzzle is 
wheels. His rear wheel was trashed long ago and I don't think they could 
have handled a tire bigger than 38 anyway, and we hope to max out the tire 
clearance for the Cross Check at around 48...

So if you have anything that fits or know a good place to look for new give 
me a holler. I'm looking at used just to try to keep it affordable for him. 
If you are local great, if not that's ok as well. I do realize it's still 
Covid times and folks aren't letting things go as easily as before, but 
it's worth a shot.

thanks and peace
J

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Sugino XD2 172.5mm crankset with options

[Bill Lindsay]

they appear to be claimed...kapow!

On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 4:20:05 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Up for sale is a used Sugino XD2 triple crankset with 172.5mm arms.  I 
> bought this who knows how many years back from Rivendell.  I've become a 
> devoted low-Q zealot, and these cranks are not low-Q (~165mm).  
>
> If you want the arms only, $70 shipped.  If you want me to make a crankset 
> for you, just let me know what you are after.  I'll pull something together 
> send you photos and quote you a price.  I could make you a super compact 
> double with a guard, a triple, or a road double.  If your forthcoming 
> project needs a bottom bracket, I can probably help you there as well.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] For Sale: Sugino XD2 172.5mm crankset with options

[Bill Lindsay]

Up for sale is a used Sugino XD2 triple crankset with 172.5mm arms.  I 
bought this who knows how many years back from Rivendell.  I've become a 
devoted low-Q zealot, and these cranks are not low-Q (~165mm).  

If you want the arms only, $70 shipped.  If you want me to make a crankset 
for you, just let me know what you are after.  I'll pull something together 
send you photos and quote you a price.  I could make you a super compact 
double with a guard, a triple, or a road double.  If your forthcoming 
project needs a bottom bracket, I can probably help you there as well.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Clem's mount for rear wheel lock.

[Joe Bernard]

I shall dissent from the others who like these things. I had the one Riv 
used to sell mounted on a Clem and it was really stinking heavy. At the 
time I lived in an upstairs apartment and the extra weight when lifting the 
bike up those steps was quite noticeable and I took it off. 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 11:15:22 AM UTC-7 David B wrote:

> I purchased my Clem in the first round pre-sale, and up until now I 
> haven't thought about the mounts for a Dutch-style rear wheel lock. 
> However, I'm seeing some use for it now, with short trips within my 
> neighborhood. Really just for running in somewhere for a few seconds with 
> bike in view.
> Anyone used one on a Clem? Your thoughts on whether it's 'worth' it or not?
> Max tire/fender clearance?
> Thanks,
> David
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem's mount for rear wheel lock.

[Patrick Moore]

I agree that frame-mount locks are very convenient, but probably best for
bikes too heavy for a casual thief to lift and walk away with. Almost every
Indian-made DL-1 copy had one when I was a wee lad, all stamped from sheet
metal, and all with, probably, the same stamped-steel key.

I last used one on a very nice short-distance grocery getter, a hot-rodded
(*) Worksman tricycle -- no one was going to casually heft that over his
shoulder and walk away! But it was very liberating to ride up to the store,
flip the lever, *no need for a bike rack because the vehicle stood up by
itself*, and simply walk into the store like any other normal human being.

(* Imposed a Stronglight 99 crank on it by beating -- very nicely, I may
add -- an indentation in the "chainstay" so the crank arm would clear, so I
could install a 40-something ring in place of the absurdly small 32 or
whatever the stock was, for a ~67-70" gear; clamp-on combined bottle
dynamo/LED headlight, Wald Newsboy basket, and of course a decent saddle; B
68, I think. Trikes -- I also owned a refurbished Ken Rogers BRT with huge
Hoss saddlebag -- are the ultimately good grocery haulers.)

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:26 AM  wrote:

> I have an Abus wheel lock on the front wheel of my e-bike. I use it all
> the time for quick trips into a store. Anything over a couple minutes and
> I’ll break out the other locks and lock the bike up properly. I’d never
> used a wheel lock before but do find them very useful.
>
> https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Tern-GDS-S00-2019/i-HjbJMFB/A
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:31 AM, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:
>
> I considered one, but then decided that: A. For the cost, a smaller U
> lock would work just as well, and be more versatile; and B. Frame locks
> would seem to be most useful for heavy bikes (like many Dutch-style bikes)
> that can’t be easily picked up and walked off with. While I like the idea
> of simply turning a key and walking away, my bikes (as built) are all too
> lightweight and valuable for that. If I wanted to risk it, I could simply
> slip a U lock through the rear triangle almost as quickly as using a frame
> lock.
>
> On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 9:59:49 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> I had a Clem-like Dutch bike for many years with a frame lock.  I used it
>> all of the time to lock up in front of a store for a few minutes.  It's
>> also extra security for longer-term lock-ups because it protects your rear
>> wheel from theft.
>> I had a cable lock that plugged in as well.  I still used another U-lock
>> for higher security, but the frame lock + cable worked for me 95% of the
>> time.
>>
>> Tom
>> Herndon, VA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem's mount for rear wheel lock.

[rltilley]

I have an Abus wheel lock on the front wheel of my e-bike. I use it all the 
time for quick trips into a store. Anything over a couple minutes and I’ll 
break out the other locks and lock the bike up properly. I’d never used a wheel 
lock before but do find them very useful.

https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Tern-GDS-S00-2019/i-HjbJMFB/A

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:31 AM, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:
> 
> I considered one, but then decided that: A. For the cost, a smaller U lock 
> would work just as well, and be more versatile; and B. Frame locks would seem 
> to be most useful for heavy bikes (like many Dutch-style bikes) that can’t be 
> easily picked up and walked off with. While I like the idea of simply turning 
> a key and walking away, my bikes (as built) are all too lightweight and 
> valuable for that. If I wanted to risk it, I could simply slip a U lock 
> through the rear triangle almost as quickly as using a frame lock.
> 
>> On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 9:59:49 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>> I had a Clem-like Dutch bike for many years with a frame lock.  I used it 
>> all of the time to lock up in front of a store for a few minutes.  It's also 
>> extra security for longer-term lock-ups because it protects your rear wheel 
>> from theft.
>> I had a cable lock that plugged in as well.  I still used another U-lock for 
>> higher security, but the frame lock + cable worked for me 95% of the time.
>> 
>> Tom 
>> Herndon, VA
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spiky platform pedal plus SPD? MAP bar surgery and reasons therefore.

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Mike. Agree that $115 is rather dear for this bike, and Shimano's
EH 500 is only $80 or so. Pat, the ISSI Flip 3 also looks viable -- RBR
gave it a good review -- but again, $100.

But for the moment, I am retrogressing back to the "SPD versus clips and
straps" conundrum. Clips and straps is the best of all worlds, except that
I don't own any shoes suitable for clips and straps in off road dirt, so
I'm back to the SPDs at this point. I wear slippers indoors, and when going
out generally slip on boat shoes/moccasins or cowboy boots. Slip ons are
fine for pavement riding or taking the dog for a quick run on dirt, but not
for extended rides in our sandy soil. Perhaps the solution will be a cheap
pair of casual lace up shoes from Target.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 7:38 AM Mike K.  wrote:

> My favorite dual-sided pedals were the Funn Mamba pedals I got on eBay for
> a song. Unfortunately, trying to find others for my other bikes hasn't
> happened yet. They're pricey brand new ($115), but I love the one set I
> have. Big platform with lots of room, thin profile, good attachment with
> the SPD side. Overall a great pedal, but for me the price isn't right
> unless I can find another used pair.
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:19:31 PM UTC-5 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have some 8000s used twice that I can sell you if interested. Ben
>>
>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 10:12:57 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you! I wish I'd known about this, even better for me than the more
>>> expensive T8000, before I spent 50 smalls on the Chesters.
>>>
>>> I took the Chesters off and replaced them with my MKS Esprit pedals with
>>> MKS Extra Deep 'n' Long clips and long straps. These work fine with my
>>> vibram-sole slip ons; we'll see how they do with my thick-soled hiking
>>> shoes.
>>>
>>> If clips and straps don't work, I'll go for the EH500. In any event, may
>>> have a pair of almost-new Chesters for sale shortly.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 6:05 AM Garth  wrote:
>>>
 Oh sure  the Shimano EH500 is a dualists dream pedal, flat w/spikes
 one one side, spd on the other.  Longer spikes would make it more grippy of
 course.

 As for foot position, that depends on the riders sensibilities, the
 tread and rubber density of the shoe sole plus the spike position. I wear
 Altra trail shoes that have middle density large lugs which act as a
 stopper from the shoe moving around with VP Vice pedals. The lugs of the
 shoe just so happen to rest on the platform, between the spikes which end
 up serving as a stabilizer. I didn't intend for this to happen, it's just
 how it is with that combo of pedal and shoe. This from someone who never
 pulls up or out of the pedals though. Somewhere along the line I began to
 pedal like I was wiping my feet off on a rug applying presure like a
 cat kneading. Smooth and firm. I find it relaxing actually, which is a
 large part of why I ride a bike in the first place. I don't do land yoga,
 but I'd like riding to a rolling yoga aeronautics. This isn't to imply it
 work work for anyone else, everyone has their own unique way that presents
 itself.


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> Sheesh. This is the right bar photo.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction and Tire Question

[Patrick Moore]

This to clarify my opinion on tubes versus no tubes, from someone who is,
oh so very aware of the limitations of tubes (again, pre-sealant, and
refusing to use heavy tires, used up the greater part of 2 X 100-boxes of
Remas each year).

FWIW, I used (125 gram) tubes in the EL Naches Pass 559 X 42s, each with a
half-cup of Airlock sealant, and I was expecting the tires to feel draggy.
Not at all; could not tell any difference by seat of pants when I had the
NPs converted to tubeless with 2 fl oz of OS. That's with the NP ELs. OTOH,
when I briefly* rode 559 X 32 mm Kojaks tubeless, I did feel -- note the
word -- an improvement in ease of pedaling (lower rolling resistance) and
comfort. So the difference may come down to the type of tire.

And second, the Elk Pass tires with sealant in tubes roll at least as well
as the NPs do without tubes (and with; as above).

>From my own personal experience, and from what I've read onlist and
elsewhere, and goatheads apart: for lower pressures and fatter tires,
there's no reason not to use a tubeless system and some reasons to do so:
lower weight, no pinch flatting if you are prone to that. But for narrow
(32 mm and skinnier) tires of the best quality, like the RH ELs, I can't
see a reason to use a tubeless system if there are no goatheads and you
don't pinch flat.

To repeat: *my own experience such as it is is that for very supple tires
at least up to 42 mm wide there is no difference in ride quality between
tubes and no tubes.* This certainly seems to change for less supple tires.

Jan claims that there is no benefit for tubeless for narrower, higher
pressure tires, and my experience agrees with his assertion.

Goatheads of course change everything. And none of this involves the
question of rim choice; there are not many, perhaps not any, road-type
tubeless rims in the 559 mm diameter.

The value of tubes of course is that, when you get that puncture that
sealant will not seal, you have a relatively easy and clean and quick
remedy, and I have fixed enough sealant fails, and far more tube fails,
roadside, to know the advantage. So absent goatheads, and for very light
road tires, and given the availability of 60-70 gram tubes, I believe that
tubes are still a very good and even best choice.

Patrick "none of this is scientific by any means" Moore


* Neither the Kojaks or the rims were tubeless designed, and you could not
get a firm bead grip on the rim, leaving only air pressure to hold the
beads in place. I rode the setup for ~200 miles and then chickened out.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 5:32 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> Chrristine, I made the jump with my 650B bike, built around 42mm RH
> BabyShoe Pass standard casing tires on Pacenti Brevet rims. My mechanic
> said that this size is where the clear decision for tubeless is, based on
> ride quality, flatproofness and weight. She said there isn't much of a
> question although some circumstances are described where particular riders
> may continue to run tubed tires at this size. Mostly because they did
> before tubeless and are obstinate. Even without threats like goatheads or
> wider, lower pressure tires like Patrick's, my tubeless setup is lighter
> and better performing than the 700C x 32mm RH Stampede Pass EL tires with
> tubes that I had been riding on my Rivendell Rambouillet.
>
> I have had no punctures over the past year on my tubeless tires and that
> has included many miles on unpaved paths, trails and winter degraded
> streets with their usual glass and wire strand debris. I was happy to find
> that in use the 650B x 42mm tires plus sealant were not heavy or sluggish
> at all, not even for an argument's sake. They contributed to an energetic
> feeling the of the whole bike.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Having done it once, it won't be hard in the future. But were it not for
>> goatheads, I'd strictly use tubes on road; sealant for road tires seems to
>> me to be more complicated than the problem, apart from goatheads. I might
>> continue to use tubeless off road simply because tubes for 60 or 70 or 80
>> mm tires are so heavy.
>>
>> Let us know your solution. And congratulations on the Clem.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem's mount for rear wheel lock.

[Arthur Mayfield]

I considered one, but then decided that: A. For the cost, a smaller U lock 
would work just as well, and be more versatile; and B. Frame locks would 
seem to be most useful for heavy bikes (like many Dutch-style bikes) that 
can’t be easily picked up and walked off with. While I like the idea of 
simply turning a key and walking away, my bikes (as built) are all too 
lightweight and valuable for that. If I wanted to risk it, I could simply 
slip a U lock through the rear triangle almost as quickly as using a frame 
lock.

On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 9:59:49 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:

> I had a Clem-like Dutch bike for many years with a frame lock.  I used it 
> all of the time to lock up in front of a store for a few minutes.  It's 
> also extra security for longer-term lock-ups because it protects your rear 
> wheel from theft.
> I had a cable lock that plugged in as well.  I still used another U-lock 
> for higher security, but the frame lock + cable worked for me 95% of the 
> time.
>
> Tom 
> Herndon, VA
>
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[RBW] Re: Clem's mount for rear wheel lock.

[Tom Wyland]

I had a Clem-like Dutch bike for many years with a frame lock.  I used it 
all of the time to lock up in front of a store for a few minutes.  It's 
also extra security for longer-term lock-ups because it protects your rear 
wheel from theft.
I had a cable lock that plugged in as well.  I still used another U-lock 
for higher security, but the frame lock + cable worked for me 95% of the 
time.

Tom 
Herndon, VA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spiky platform pedal plus SPD? MAP bar surgery and reasons therefore.

[Pat Smith]

ISSI Flip3 is another option. The cheaper Flip1 and 2 don't have the spokes 
though. 


On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 9:38:10 AM UTC-4 Mike K. wrote:

> My favorite dual-sided pedals were the Funn Mamba pedals I got on eBay for 
> a song. Unfortunately, trying to find others for my other bikes hasn't 
> happened yet. They're pricey brand new ($115), but I love the one set I 
> have. Big platform with lots of room, thin profile, good attachment with 
> the SPD side. Overall a great pedal, but for me the price isn't right 
> unless I can find another used pair.
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:19:31 PM UTC-5 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have some 8000s used twice that I can sell you if interested. Ben
>>
>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 10:12:57 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you! I wish I'd known about this, even better for me than the more 
>>> expensive T8000, before I spent 50 smalls on the Chesters.
>>>
>>> I took the Chesters off and replaced them with my MKS Esprit pedals with 
>>> MKS Extra Deep 'n' Long clips and long straps. These work fine with my 
>>> vibram-sole slip ons; we'll see how they do with my thick-soled hiking 
>>> shoes.
>>>
>>> If clips and straps don't work, I'll go for the EH500. In any event, may 
>>> have a pair of almost-new Chesters for sale shortly.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 6:05 AM Garth  wrote:
>>>
 Oh sure  the Shimano EH500 is a dualists dream pedal, flat w/spikes 
 one one side, spd on the other.  Longer spikes would make it more grippy 
 of 
 course. 

 As for foot position, that depends on the riders sensibilities, the 
 tread and rubber density of the shoe sole plus the spike position. I wear 
 Altra trail shoes that have middle density large lugs which act as a 
 stopper from the shoe moving around with VP Vice pedals. The lugs of the 
 shoe just so happen to rest on the platform, between the spikes which end 
 up serving as a stabilizer. I didn't intend for this to happen, it's just 
 how it is with that combo of pedal and shoe. This from someone who never 
 pulls up or out of the pedals though. Somewhere along the line I began to 
 pedal like I was wiping my feet off on a rug applying presure like a 
 cat kneading. Smooth and firm. I find it relaxing actually, which is a 
 large part of why I ride a bike in the first place. I don't do land yoga, 
 but I'd like riding to a rolling yoga aeronautics. This isn't to imply it 
 work work for anyone else, everyone has their own unique way that presents 
 itself. 


 On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sheesh. This is the right bar photo.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spiky platform pedal plus SPD? MAP bar surgery and reasons therefore.

[Mike K.]

My favorite dual-sided pedals were the Funn Mamba pedals I got on eBay for 
a song. Unfortunately, trying to find others for my other bikes hasn't 
happened yet. They're pricey brand new ($115), but I love the one set I 
have. Big platform with lots of room, thin profile, good attachment with 
the SPD side. Overall a great pedal, but for me the price isn't right 
unless I can find another used pair.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:19:31 PM UTC-5 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have some 8000s used twice that I can sell you if interested. Ben
>
> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 10:12:57 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thank you! I wish I'd known about this, even better for me than the more 
>> expensive T8000, before I spent 50 smalls on the Chesters.
>>
>> I took the Chesters off and replaced them with my MKS Esprit pedals with 
>> MKS Extra Deep 'n' Long clips and long straps. These work fine with my 
>> vibram-sole slip ons; we'll see how they do with my thick-soled hiking 
>> shoes.
>>
>> If clips and straps don't work, I'll go for the EH500. In any event, may 
>> have a pair of almost-new Chesters for sale shortly.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 6:05 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh sure  the Shimano EH500 is a dualists dream pedal, flat w/spikes 
>>> one one side, spd on the other.  Longer spikes would make it more grippy of 
>>> course. 
>>>
>>> As for foot position, that depends on the riders sensibilities, the 
>>> tread and rubber density of the shoe sole plus the spike position. I wear 
>>> Altra trail shoes that have middle density large lugs which act as a 
>>> stopper from the shoe moving around with VP Vice pedals. The lugs of the 
>>> shoe just so happen to rest on the platform, between the spikes which end 
>>> up serving as a stabilizer. I didn't intend for this to happen, it's just 
>>> how it is with that combo of pedal and shoe. This from someone who never 
>>> pulls up or out of the pedals though. Somewhere along the line I began to 
>>> pedal like I was wiping my feet off on a rug applying presure like a 
>>> cat kneading. Smooth and firm. I find it relaxing actually, which is a 
>>> large part of why I ride a bike in the first place. I don't do land yoga, 
>>> but I'd like riding to a rolling yoga aeronautics. This isn't to imply it 
>>> work work for anyone else, everyone has their own unique way that presents 
>>> itself. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Sheesh. This is the right bar photo.


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[RBW] Re: Clem's mount for rear wheel lock.

[lconley]

I have an AXA lock with plug in chain on my 52 cm Clementine. It easily 
clears 650B x 50 tires on Alex DM-24 rims. I used it for trips to the 
grocery store. The chain was more expensive and harder to find than the 
lock itself.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:15:22 PM UTC-4 David B wrote:

> I purchased my Clem in the first round pre-sale, and up until now I 
> haven't thought about the mounts for a Dutch-style rear wheel lock. 
> However, I'm seeing some use for it now, with short trips within my 
> neighborhood. Really just for running in somewhere for a few seconds with 
> bike in view.
> Anyone used one on a Clem? Your thoughts on whether it's 'worth' it or not?
> Max tire/fender clearance?
> Thanks,
> David
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Re: [RBW] Re: Repaints

[R Shannon]

Good detective work Andy. Way back I recall Grant talking about decals and I’m 
quite sure he referred to SSI as Riv’s supplier.

For all those interested I hope SSI will accommodate one off requests.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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> On Apr 15, 2021, at 5:31 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
> 
> Make that Sheet 3. (duh)
> 
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> 
>> On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 5:28:52 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>> Here's a decal/sticker/transfer source to try for a Ram refinish:  
>> https://www.sssink.com
>> 
>> Their site, if you follow the restoration links, brings you to this nice 
>> map: 
>> https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers/user-33557364/documents/5bbb55602e97eyjktBn0/2018%20SSSink%20painter%20map.pdf
>> 
>> In their alphabetic listings, Rivendell, Sheet 4, is this valued image: 
>> 
>> They were vendors at the last Philly Bike Expo and appear to have a deep 
>> catalog and multitudes of format types to satisfy your insignia wishes the 
>> refinishing. Nice folks and sounded like they were very experienced in their 
>> work. I do believe they will make one offs as well. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 8:34:38 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>> Agree with Andy and Paul on the paint work Mr. Coast has done for his 
>>> frames. A Vanilla Shake Ram with the right accents could look mighty sweet! 
>>> Designate the color as Sheepswool Cream, beige or off white!
>>> 
>>> Riv does not have Ram decals so you'll have to have them made. Bruce (Fully 
>>> Lugged) on this list had decals made for his Ram. If Bruce checks in here 
>>> regularly he can give you his contact. Of course the Riv folks may be able 
>>> to connect you with a vendor who makes one off decals.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>> 
 On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4 LBleriot wrote:
 I found some blistering on my protovelo Romulus and after getting quotes 
 from Coast and Waterford, I decided to have my local auto body shop 
 respray the frame.  It’s a single color with no panel on the head tube and 
 no decals.  For $75 I got a beautiful respray that matches the original 
 color on the fork perfectly.  It took a day and I avoided the hassle of 
 shipping.  Something to consider.  If it was my orange Ram, I might get on 
 the Joe Bell list and go through the effort. 
 
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 3:20:23 PM UTC-4 Buck Flagg wrote:
> Hello, group! Help needed!
> 
> I am getting to the point with my RivBike that I will soon be needing a 
> repaint. My fifteen year-old Rambouillet is a four-season commuter with 
> around 55K miles on it, 99% racked up on NYC streets and bike lanes. With 
> all that, not to mention daily chaining to a bike rack, it would be 
> impossible to maintain a frame in pristine condition but now my periodic 
> inspections are starting to turn up evidence of corrosion causing wee 
> blisters in the original paint in a few places.
> 
> The Rivendell website page on repaints lists a couple of shops in CA and 
> Waterford.
> 
> Anyone here have any wisdom/experience/opinions on this subject they'd 
> care to offer regarding these or any other paint shops? Ideally, I'd love 
> to find someone with mad skilz in the greater NYC area who has experience 
> with the Rivendell product and access to the Rivendell decals.
> 
> Very grateful, in advance, for any help!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction and Tire Question

[ascpgh]

Chrristine, I made the jump with my 650B bike, built around 42mm RH 
BabyShoe Pass standard casing tires on Pacenti Brevet rims. My mechanic 
said that this size is where the clear decision for tubeless is, based on 
ride quality, flatproofness and weight. She said there isn't much of a 
question although some circumstances are described where particular riders 
may continue to run tubed tires at this size. Mostly because they did 
before tubeless and are obstinate. Even without threats like goatheads or 
wider, lower pressure tires like Patrick's, my tubeless setup is lighter 
and better performing than the 700C x 32mm RH Stampede Pass EL tires with 
tubes that I had been riding on my Rivendell Rambouillet. 

I have had no punctures over the past year on my tubeless tires and that 
has included many miles on unpaved paths, trails and winter degraded 
streets with their usual glass and wire strand debris. I was happy to find 
that in use the 650B x 42mm tires plus sealant were not heavy or sluggish 
at all, not even for an argument's sake. They contributed to an energetic 
feeling the of the whole bike. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Having done it once, it won't be hard in the future. But were it not for 
> goatheads, I'd strictly use tubes on road; sealant for road tires seems to 
> me to be more complicated than the problem, apart from goatheads. I might 
> continue to use tubeless off road simply because tubes for 60 or 70 or 80 
> mm tires are so heavy.
>
> Let us know your solution. And congratulations on the Clem.
>
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Repaints

[ascpgh]

Make that Sheet 3. (duh)

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 5:28:52 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Here's a decal/sticker/transfer source to try for a Ram refinish:  
> https://www.sssink.com
>
> Their site, if you follow the restoration links, brings you to this nice 
> map: 
> https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers/user-33557364/documents/5bbb55602e97eyjktBn0/2018%20SSSink%20painter%20map.pdf
>
> In their alphabetic listings, Rivendell, Sheet 4, is this valued image: 
> [image: 
> Screen Shot 2021-04-15 at 5.25.02 AM.png]
>
> They were vendors at the last Philly Bike Expo and appear to have a deep 
> catalog and multitudes of format types to satisfy your insignia wishes the 
> refinishing. Nice folks and sounded like they were very experienced in 
> their work. I do believe they will make one offs as well. 
>
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 8:34:38 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> Agree with Andy and Paul on the paint work Mr. Coast has done for his 
>> frames. A Vanilla Shake Ram with the right accents could look mighty sweet! 
>> Designate the color as Sheepswool Cream, beige or off white!
>>
>> Riv does not have Ram decals so you'll have to have them made. Bruce 
>> (Fully Lugged) on this list had decals made for his Ram. If Bruce checks in 
>> here regularly he can give you his contact. Of course the Riv folks may be 
>> able to connect you with a vendor who makes one off decals.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4 LBleriot wrote:
>>
>>> I found some blistering on my protovelo Romulus and after getting quotes 
>>> from Coast and Waterford, I decided to have my local auto body shop respray 
>>> the frame.  It’s a single color with no panel on the head tube and no 
>>> decals.  For $75 I got a beautiful respray that matches the original color 
>>> on the fork perfectly.  It took a day and I avoided the hassle of shipping. 
>>>  Something to consider.  If it was my orange Ram, I might get on the Joe 
>>> Bell list and go through the effort. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 3:20:23 PM UTC-4 Buck Flagg wrote:
>>>
 Hello, group! Help needed!

 I am getting to the point with my RivBike that I will soon be needing a 
 repaint. My fifteen year-old Rambouillet is a four-season commuter with 
 around 55K miles on it, 99% racked up on NYC streets and bike lanes. With 
 all that, not to mention daily chaining to a bike rack, it would be 
 impossible to maintain a frame in pristine condition but now my periodic 
 inspections are starting to turn up evidence of corrosion causing wee 
 blisters in the original paint in a few places.

 The Rivendell website page on repaints lists a couple of shops in CA 
 and Waterford.

 Anyone here have any wisdom/experience/opinions on this subject they'd 
 care to offer regarding these or any other paint shops? Ideally, I'd love 
 to find someone with mad skilz in the greater NYC area who has experience 
 with the Rivendell product and access to the Rivendell decals.

 Very grateful, in advance, for any help!

>>>

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