[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Front Derailleur setup problems

[Bill Lindsay]

That's an M735 front der.  I think you may have better luck with an M737.  

The M735 has a really long lever arm, which requires a lot of cable to pull 
it.  The M735 was pretty much only used with thumb shifters, which had a 
comparatively large barrel, and thus pulled a bunch of cable.  

The M737 has a shorter lever arm, and does not require as much cable pull 
to move it around.  Those were intended to work with rapidfire shifters, 
but worked well with barcons.  

Here's one:  New Shimano Deore XT FD-M737 Front Derailleur Bottom Pull 
28.6mm Clamp 8 Speed | eBay 


It's possible you can get your M735 to work.  Two minutes in my workstand 
and I could tell you.  Your setup method as described sounds good.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-7 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am having trouble making a triple setup work on my Rivendell Sam 
> Hillborne.
> I am trying to use a Specialized "Flag" triple crankset and a Deore XT FD 
> and Shimano barend shifters (set on friction.) 
>
> I have I think followed the standard FD setup steps.
> - in Small Front/Big Rear set the limit screw to just allow the chain to 
> clear.
> - set the FD cages basically parallel to the chain rings
> - allow a coin's thickness height clearance of the cages over the big ring.
> - while the Specialized "Flag" triple crank is not in Sheldon Brown's 
> database of compatible Cranksets and BB I think I used a 117mm axle BB and 
> the small ring seems to just be clearing the chainstay reasonably.
>
> But I cannot seem to get enough "throw" to both shift into the big 
> chainring AND to drop down into the small ring.
>
> As I wasn't even sure the XL SH would fit or work for me, I was basically 
> just trying to set it up quickly to see if it fit.
> it seems it does.
> But having quickly grabbed a few parts that I thought might work maybe 
> just dipping into my parts bin for parts I think should work has left me 
> again with incompatible components.
> and know my setup problems have nothing to do with the frame but, here's 
> the real quesion - AM I NOT CORRECT  that a Deore XT FD and Shimano (or 
> other) barend shifters are one of the setups of choice of Rivendell riders?
> should these not play together well. should a shimano LH barend shifter  
> have enough range to cover a triple shift.?[image: Hull SH.JPG]
> [image: SH FD side view.JPG]
> [image: SH trip FD alignment.JPG]
> [image: SH RH barend.JPG]
>

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[RBW] FS my Clem L 52cm with photos

[Dave Redmon]

Trying to attach two Android google photos of my Clem L 52cm but I'm unsure 
how to do this via our desktop computer to the Google Group. Can you click 
below and see the photos?  I'm in  Manhattan, Kansas--two hours west of 
Kansas City. Pick up hereabouts only. 
Bike was new in about 2015 and is in very good condition. Stock Velo 
saddle,  Bosco bars, Sunrace shifters, Kenda Kwest 650b tires and SKS 
fenders. Comes with silver Planet Bike rear rack. $850. Please make contact 
off list. 

Dave in Kansas

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Front Derailleur setup problems

[Joe Bernard]

You're correct that this combination *should *work. Two things I would look 
at first: 

1. Is the cable routed OVER that little nub at the top of the derailleur? 
It's easy to miss that and have the cable pass between the nub and fixing 
bolt, you'll lose leverage that way and the derailleur won't move far 
enough. 

2. Is the High Limit screw backed out enough? 

After that there could be a shifter or cable drag problem, but let's make 
sure the fd settings are good first. 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-7 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am having trouble making a triple setup work on my Rivendell Sam 
> Hillborne.
> I am trying to use a Specialized "Flag" triple crankset and a Deore XT FD 
> and Shimano barend shifters (set on friction.) 
>
> I have I think followed the standard FD setup steps.
> - in Small Front/Big Rear set the limit screw to just allow the chain to 
> clear.
> - set the FD cages basically parallel to the chain rings
> - allow a coin's thickness height clearance of the cages over the big ring.
> - while the Specialized "Flag" triple crank is not in Sheldon Brown's 
> database of compatible Cranksets and BB I think I used a 117mm axle BB and 
> the small ring seems to just be clearing the chainstay reasonably.
>
> But I cannot seem to get enough "throw" to both shift into the big 
> chainring AND to drop down into the small ring.
>
> As I wasn't even sure the XL SH would fit or work for me, I was basically 
> just trying to set it up quickly to see if it fit.
> it seems it does.
> But having quickly grabbed a few parts that I thought might work maybe 
> just dipping into my parts bin for parts I think should work has left me 
> again with incompatible components.
> and know my setup problems have nothing to do with the frame but, here's 
> the real quesion - AM I NOT CORRECT  that a Deore XT FD and Shimano (or 
> other) barend shifters are one of the setups of choice of Rivendell riders?
> should these not play together well. should a shimano LH barend shifter  
> have enough range to cover a triple shift.?[image: Hull SH.JPG]
> [image: SH FD side view.JPG]
> [image: SH trip FD alignment.JPG]
> [image: SH RH barend.JPG]
>

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[RBW] Re: Quad Lock Phone Mount

[Joe Bernard]

That's creative! 



On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 4:28:39 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> My solution was to go with the Handlebar/Stem mount rather than the 
> Out-Front mount.
>
> [image: IMG_2685.jpg]
> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 6:00:27 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh I see..yeah, that could be a problem. You may have better luck with my 
>> solution, the clamp would fit somewhere in the straight section between the 
>> first turn at the stem and the forward curve of the Albatross. Which is 
>> easier to look at than explain, this pic should help. 
>>
>> My mount is listed for motorcycles, it comes with three different shims 
>> to fit various bar diameters. 
>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 5:47:37 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Joe, I did see your post earlier.  Not sure there is enough 
>>> straight section of bar on the Albatross to mount the Out-Front.  Clamp 
>>> section is 12mm wide and I'm not sure there is a straight 12mm wide section 
>>> within 3 or four inches of the stem.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 3:57:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Check the Things You Might Like thread for my Quad Lock mounted to a 
 Tosco with the direct (not out-front) mounting. Not exactly what you're 
 looking for, but I can vouch for how stable and awesome the product is. 
 The 
 Out-Front looks like a great solution for getting the phone in front/over 
 the stem. 

 Joe Bernard

 On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 3:33:40 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone using a Quad Lock Out-Front phone mount on a pair of Albatross 
> bars?   If you do and can post a picture, I would appreciate it.



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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Tom]

Ok, I added a bottle mount for my pump in the rear triangle. I used the VO 
water bottle clamps.  Thoughts? Dumb idea?  Pictures 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lY7JGXQ2YdMN5OKLv3Tr3c0tCQCgEEDz

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[RBW] Re: FS: 110/74 Sugino rings and a guard, rad Oakleys

[Joe Bernard]

Btw if you're one of the rare enlightened ones who know most people ride 
too-long cranks, I have 152mm arms for these, too. 



On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:26:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ack, I wish I could edit these things. "Rings plus guard as a group."
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'm selling the 24-36-50 rings as a group, priced as though the 50t is 
>> basically free cuz no one wants those things, you'll probably use the 
>> guard. Matching ramped and pinned set from an XD600 crank, 24 and 36 used 
>> minimally, 50 is new. 
>> $50 plus shipping. 
>>
>> 2 Oakley EV Zero
>> Lime/orange "sun fade" perfect, $50+
>> Blue/pink/purple has a scratch at top edge of lens, not in line of sight 
>> while riding, $35+
>>
>> Hollaback for more pics and chat and such as,
>> Joe Bernard 
>> Marin County CA. 
>>
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[RBW] WTT: Billy Bars for 54cm Losco Bars

['Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hello, am looking to trade a newish set of Billys for your 54cm Loscos.  
Happy to figure out in-person (I'm in Arlington, VA) or by post.

Having a prob posting images but happy to send directly to interested party.

Thx,
Jeff (in Arl, VA)  


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[RBW] Re: FS: 110/74 Sugino rings and a guard, rad Oakleys

[Joe Bernard]

Ack, I wish I could edit these things. "Rings plus guard as a group."



On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'm selling the 24-36-50 rings as a group, priced as though the 50t is 
> basically free cuz no one wants those things, you'll probably use the 
> guard. Matching ramped and pinned set from an XD600 crank, 24 and 36 used 
> minimally, 50 is new. 
> $50 plus shipping. 
>
> 2 Oakley EV Zero
> Lime/orange "sun fade" perfect, $50+
> Blue/pink/purple has a scratch at top edge of lens, not in line of sight 
> while riding, $35+
>
> Hollaback for more pics and chat and such as,
> Joe Bernard 
> Marin County CA. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Losco vs Albatross 6mm Additional Sweep back--an additional 6cm

['Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jason, I forgot you were in Canada (I thought you were in Portland for some 
reason), but all good.
thx
Jeff

On Saturday, June 5, 2021 at 2:55:24 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> 100% would be keen on that except the Canada-US border might make it 
> shipping-prohibitive.  I can get a quote in a bit, just out for a ride 
> now!  
>
> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 11:51 AM 'Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Jason, I just picked up a set of new-ish Billy bars but I'm desiring the 
>> Losco - let me know if you're interested in a straight swap.  These have 
>> been mounted but are very clean, see pics.[image: Billy 6.jpg]
>> Thx,
>> Jeff in Arlington, VA[image: Billy 1.jpg][image: Billy 3.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 12:55:59 AM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I love the look of the Losco, but it's currently homeless in my 
>>> collection simply due to none of my bikes being long enough for it!  Comfy 
>>> when cruising, but as soon as I need to climb a hill or pedal harder, I am 
>>> awkwardly trying to hold the front corners.  The bar I can't get out of my 
>>> mind though is the Billie; it's like both of those bars combined in a way.  
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Trek 510/Fun with paint pens

[exliontamer]

Also, if anyone is interested, Spicer Cycles in Evansville, IN added the 
canti-posts, crimped the stays, added the extra water bottle mount, 
fabricated the rear brake cable hanger, added downtube bosses, and spaced 
the frame. He's also one of the nicest, most intelligent people I've met 
and his prices were beyond fair. And yes 510s are absurdly undervalued and 
Ishiwata has the best decals. Nerd out all day! I'm a little romantic about 
Treks from this era.

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 4:14:19 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Nice! Love it! Agreed on the geometry. The tall seat tube/short top tube 
> combo is hard to find and I don't get it. Most people I've seen who are 
> long limbed typically have short torsos. I know people(Grant Petersen's 
> road bike geometry...) seem to think long arms make up for that but that 
> assumes that you have an elastic spine. The chain stays were crimped a bit 
> but it probably still would have worked. The fork wasn't touched & still 
> has plenty of room. As is, I could get a 48mm in there safely. I'm 
> wondering if the older models maybe had more clearance. The canti-posts 
> definitely helped.
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:44:16 PM UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>
>> Love the bike! With canti brakes it's quite versatile. I'm guessing the 
>> chainstays were spaced / indented just right and the fork legs are spaced 
>> well to run 650x42 tires. I was able to do that on one of my bikes, but on 
>> the Trek 400 conversion, I could only get to 650x35. (See below) 
>>
>> I agree with you regarding the geometry and ride quality – I like a 60-62 
>> cm and shallow seat tube, and a 56-57 cm top tube, but that combo is hard 
>> to come by. The 400 I had was good in that respect. 
>>
>> - Max "one day I'll start doing Yoga" in A2 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:49:48 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! Treks from this era are hidden gems. I don't understand why 
>>> they're so cheap considering how useful they are as all rounders. I picked 
>>> up a set of water based, extra fine tipped acrylic paint pens. My only 
>>> lesson was that the yellow and pink in this set were more vivid than the 
>>> orange and teal against the dark green but that's my fault for not knowing 
>>> enough about color contrast. Follow the directions that come with the pens 
>>> in terms of shaking and getting paint flow(get the flow going on a scrap 
>>> piece of paper or cardboard). Don't press your tips too hard. The brand I 
>>> bought was Zeyar and they worked great. 
>>> I'm not sure how long it took but it was an all nighter. I was too 
>>> lazy/cheap to disassemble the bike outside of taking the front wheel off. I 
>>> used one of those cheap stands that cradles the seat and chain stays and 
>>> rotated between that and the bike laying on the floor across my lap. 
>>> Wrestling documentaries and Star Trek passed the time/kept me relaxed. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 10:09:57 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>>>
 Awesome bike and awesome paint. Everyone, zoom in to see the speckles.
 I was considering polka dots. Any lessons learned?
 Wow, your coverage is so even and the dots are so small. 
 Took a while? Any tricks to speed it up or be even?
 Thanks for sharing.
 -Matthew P
 San Diego, CA

 On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:57:13 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> Just wanted to show one of my favorite bikes off. It's an '81 Trek 510 
> frame that I had canti-posts and a few other things added to. I know this 
> isn't full Riv taste, what with the carbon Ultegra indexed levers and all 
> and the black components, but it visually works to me somehow AND it 
> feels 
> ridiculously good.
> Those are 42mm 650b tires in there. The 650b conversion thing died 
> down years ago but I'd really recommend these frames for anyone looking 
> for 
> an affordable older road bike that has clearance when you convert it. The 
> long reach Tektro side pulls even make canti conversion unnecessary. All 
> that said it's one of the best riding bikes I've ever been on and having 
> a 
> 91cm PBH with a short torso can make finding older bikes hard but Treks 
> geometry at that time was incredibly well thought out from size to size. 
> It's such a different company now but that's a whole different topic. 
> Anyhow, I went to town with some paint pens which I'd encourage anyone 
> to do if you have an old beater. [image: IMG_2948.jpg]
>


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[RBW] Re: Trek 510/Fun with paint pens

[exliontamer]

Nice! Love it! Agreed on the geometry. The tall seat tube/short top tube 
combo is hard to find and I don't get it. Most people I've seen who are 
long limbed typically have short torsos. I know people(Grant Petersen's 
road bike geometry...) seem to think long arms make up for that but that 
assumes that you have an elastic spine. The chain stays were crimped a bit 
but it probably still would have worked. The fork wasn't touched & still 
has plenty of room. As is, I could get a 48mm in there safely. I'm 
wondering if the older models maybe had more clearance. The canti-posts 
definitely helped.
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:44:16 PM UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> Love the bike! With canti brakes it's quite versatile. I'm guessing the 
> chainstays were spaced / indented just right and the fork legs are spaced 
> well to run 650x42 tires. I was able to do that on one of my bikes, but on 
> the Trek 400 conversion, I could only get to 650x35. (See below) 
>
> I agree with you regarding the geometry and ride quality – I like a 60-62 
> cm and shallow seat tube, and a 56-57 cm top tube, but that combo is hard 
> to come by. The 400 I had was good in that respect. 
>
> - Max "one day I'll start doing Yoga" in A2 
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:49:48 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> Thanks! Treks from this era are hidden gems. I don't understand why 
>> they're so cheap considering how useful they are as all rounders. I picked 
>> up a set of water based, extra fine tipped acrylic paint pens. My only 
>> lesson was that the yellow and pink in this set were more vivid than the 
>> orange and teal against the dark green but that's my fault for not knowing 
>> enough about color contrast. Follow the directions that come with the pens 
>> in terms of shaking and getting paint flow(get the flow going on a scrap 
>> piece of paper or cardboard). Don't press your tips too hard. The brand I 
>> bought was Zeyar and they worked great. 
>> I'm not sure how long it took but it was an all nighter. I was too 
>> lazy/cheap to disassemble the bike outside of taking the front wheel off. I 
>> used one of those cheap stands that cradles the seat and chain stays and 
>> rotated between that and the bike laying on the floor across my lap. 
>> Wrestling documentaries and Star Trek passed the time/kept me relaxed. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 10:09:57 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome bike and awesome paint. Everyone, zoom in to see the speckles.
>>> I was considering polka dots. Any lessons learned?
>>> Wow, your coverage is so even and the dots are so small. 
>>> Took a while? Any tricks to speed it up or be even?
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> -Matthew P
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:57:13 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
 Just wanted to show one of my favorite bikes off. It's an '81 Trek 510 
 frame that I had canti-posts and a few other things added to. I know this 
 isn't full Riv taste, what with the carbon Ultegra indexed levers and all 
 and the black components, but it visually works to me somehow AND it feels 
 ridiculously good.
 Those are 42mm 650b tires in there. The 650b conversion thing died down 
 years ago but I'd really recommend these frames for anyone looking for an 
 affordable older road bike that has clearance when you convert it. The 
 long 
 reach Tektro side pulls even make canti conversion unnecessary. All that 
 said it's one of the best riding bikes I've ever been on and having a 91cm 
 PBH with a short torso can make finding older bikes hard but Treks 
 geometry 
 at that time was incredibly well thought out from size to size. It's such 
 a 
 different company now but that's a whole different topic. 
 Anyhow, I went to town with some paint pens which I'd encourage anyone 
 to do if you have an old beater. [image: IMG_2948.jpg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: "I am once again asking for your 62/58 road framesets"

[Andrew Turner]

Looking for a frame with a 62cm-ish cc seatpost size and 58cm-ish cc 
toptube size. 

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:44:05 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Well we hit a snag with the frameset I purchased...there's a good chance 
> it's lost in the customs abyss (stuck since April 2), so I figured I'd put 
> out some feelers in case I get a refund...there's a couple frames on eBay I 
> was looking at but the cool ones are all overseas...which I'm trying to 
> avoid.  
>  
> Looking for something with Reynolds 531/Columbus Thron level tubing, 
> vertical road dropouts, 130/100 spacing, 1" threaded, english or italian 
> threaded BB, clearance for at least a 25mm tire, built for short reach 
> brakes, and downtube shifter bosses. Framesets only. If anyone's got some 
> leads, I'm all ears but it might be a couple weeks before I can commit to 
> make sure the missing frame is truly MIA. 
>
> Thanks! 
>
> Andrew
>
>

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[RBW] "I am once again asking for your 62/58 road framesets"

[Andrew Turner]

Well we hit a snag with the frameset I purchased...there's a good chance 
it's lost in the customs abyss (stuck since April 2), so I figured I'd put 
out some feelers in case I get a refund...there's a couple frames on eBay I 
was looking at but the cool ones are all overseas...which I'm trying to 
avoid.  
 
Looking for something with Reynolds 531/Columbus Thron level tubing, 
vertical road dropouts, 130/100 spacing, 1" threaded, english or italian 
threaded BB, clearance for at least a 25mm tire, built for short reach 
brakes, and downtube shifter bosses. Framesets only. If anyone's got some 
leads, I'm all ears but it might be a couple weeks before I can commit to 
make sure the missing frame is truly MIA. 

Thanks! 

Andrew

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[RBW] Re: FS - Used Acorn medium saddle bag

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A buyer has expressed interest, so consider it sold. Many thanks.
Paul Germain
Midlothian, VA

On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 5:42:32 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> An Acorn medium saddle bag in discontinued light tan with darker brown 
> piping. This served my touring bike for some years before I decided to use 
> something more shallow that would not interfere with my rear rack when 
> loaded with the tent.
> This served me well and saw lots of weather conditions, but is tear-free 
> and scuff free. All leather is intact and in great shape. While it cleaned 
> up very well, you can see from the photos is slightly discolored from an 
> attempt to waterproof with wax and my penchant for adding patches and small 
> badges shows as darker spots when the remaining areas faded slightly, 
> something all the cotton Acorns do over time. (Can you say, "Beausage"?)
> I have had well over a dozen Acorn bags and can endorse them 100% for 
> quality and serviceability. (I have another medium in the current darker 
> brown on my SS bike.)
> You can view this bag on their web site, but specs are: 3.5L, 8"w x 6"h x 
> 10"d. It has a vertical drop of 6.5" from bag loops and is 13 oz.
>
> https://www.acornbags.com/collections/waxed-canvas-bags/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272
> Price is $44.50 (half current,) plus the USPS Small Box Flat Rate, $8.45 = 
> $52.95, by PayPal.
> Photos in my Flickr album:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157719214191904
> Thanks for looking,
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice - Sam Hillborne vs Atlantis

[Jason Fuller]

I certainly don't think you can do wrong between the two, given your riding 
plans, and the Appaloosa would do the trick well too!  If you're really 
attached to the Atlantis for its color and extra tube, I would personally 
hold out for that - it's a lifetime bike right, might as well get exactly 
what you dreamt of!  The longer top tube can be accommodated thanks to 
recent advances in very short stems - I'd start with a 5cm long Tallux, 
which is what I run on my Hillborne because I like a shorter reach with my 
drops, and if it's still too long you can get a Crust BJ stem in 26.0 clamp 
that has less than 30mm of reach.  Heck, with a quill-to-threadless 
adapter, there are also zero reach options from Analog.  

This might sound like a band-aid for poor fit, but I don't feel that's the 
case at all - this isn't a typical road bike, and the long frame / short 
stem combo gets the front wheel further out in front of you for better 
off-road handling and comfort.  Basically, it allows you to run drops but 
keep your center of gravity similar to where it would be with flat bars, 
for better mixed-terrain handling.  Also, since this is a lifetime bike 
hopefully, the Atlantis will suit upright bars very nicely if your aging 
body requires it in the (hopefully distant) future!  

Also, the Atlantis will leave more options for you to go bigger or smaller 
on tires - you don't have to use all that tire clearance, but it's nice to 
know it's there. 



On Wednesday, 9 June 2021 at 05:16:19 UTC-7 daniel@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Thank you for the welcome and for the detailed and thought out replies! 
> Your advice is much appreciated. It sounds like it would be a good idea to 
> talk with Rivendell directly, which I have been meaning to do as well. Its 
> good to also get some honest feedback from people with direct experience. I 
> think based on some of your replies I would be leaning towards the Sam 
> Hillborne, I certainly don't think I'd be disappointed.
>
> Michael - the Appaloosa did cross my mind as well, thanks for the 
> suggestion. For some reason it doesn't resonate with me as much, perhaps 
> it's the lack of rainbow top tube! I think all the photos I've seen of them 
> are upright bar builds, so I can't really picture the frame with drop bars.
>
> One thing I didn't mention is that I live in Australia, so Rivendells are 
> super rare here. In fact, I've only ever seen one in the flesh (a Platypus, 
> coincidentally). There is a bike shop here in Adelaide who have recently 
> started importing Rivendells which has got me thinking about all of this. 
>
>
> Cheers
> Daniel
>
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 09:08, Michael Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> Daniel,  the new Appaloosas are being released soon.  Maybe a release 
>> this week?  You gotta be on it though, recent runs of Riv frames tend to go 
>> fast!   There’s a 60cm in this run,  which might fit your PBH well and it’s 
>> a little shorter in the TT  than the Atlantis which would/ might allow you 
>> you to ride drops; and a chainstay that’s in between the length of Atlantis 
>> and Hillborne and has a sloping TT which will allow you to get the bars up 
>> and has tire clearance between what the Atlantis and Hillborne will allow.  
>> I think the frames will be orange and mermaid ,  which are great colors.   
>> Take a look at the site or always give them a call. Every time I’ve called, 
>>  they love talkin bikes.-Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:23 PM, J S  wrote:
>>
>> Daniel, I bought an Atlantis last summer and sold it in a month or less.  
>> For me the long chain stays were not to my liking.  I was lucky to find a 
>> new Sam at a dealer before Riv got their last shipment in.  I really like 
>> the Sam Hillborne and run it with 48mm tires.  It rides and handles great.  
>> I use Choco bars and sit at about 50-60 degrees, so not bolt upright, and I 
>> hold the bars either on top of the break levers or further up maybe close 
>> to the hoods on a drop bar.  You should, if possible try to ride them, I 
>> was unable too before purchasing any of the Rivendells I have bought over 
>> the years.  
>>
>> If there is a list member near you who has one  I bet they be happy to 
>> help you.  
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:07:24 AM UTC-4 daniel@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm glad I recently found this group, I am hoping you can help me out!
>>>
>>> I am planning on ordering a Rivendell frameset in the near future 
>>> (whenever they are in stock, I am patient). I am just having a hard time 
>>> deciding what might be right for me between the Sam Hillborne and the 
>>> Atlantis, mainly on the geometry.
>>>
>>> I would be using the bike for a half-hour commute on road / bike paths a 
>>> couple of times a week with panniers, and also for weekend rides of ~1-2 
>>> hours mostly on gravel roads. I want to build it up with drop bars and 
>>> something 

[RBW] Re: Trek 510/Fun with paint pens

[exliontamer]

Thanks! Treks from this era are hidden gems. I don't understand why they're 
so cheap considering how useful they are as all rounders. I picked up a set 
of water based, extra fine tipped acrylic paint pens. My only lesson was 
that the yellow and pink in this set were more vivid than the orange and 
teal against the dark green but that's my fault for not knowing enough 
about color contrast. Follow the directions that come with the pens in 
terms of shaking and getting paint flow(get the flow going on a scrap piece 
of paper or cardboard). Don't press your tips too hard. The brand I bought 
was Zeyar and they worked great. 
I'm not sure how long it took but it was an all nighter. I was too 
lazy/cheap to disassemble the bike outside of taking the front wheel off. I 
used one of those cheap stands that cradles the seat and chain stays and 
rotated between that and the bike laying on the floor across my lap. 
Wrestling documentaries and Star Trek passed the time/kept me relaxed. 

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 10:09:57 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:

> Awesome bike and awesome paint. Everyone, zoom in to see the speckles.
> I was considering polka dots. Any lessons learned?
> Wow, your coverage is so even and the dots are so small. 
> Took a while? Any tricks to speed it up or be even?
> Thanks for sharing.
> -Matthew P
> San Diego, CA
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:57:13 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> Just wanted to show one of my favorite bikes off. It's an '81 Trek 510 
>> frame that I had canti-posts and a few other things added to. I know this 
>> isn't full Riv taste, what with the carbon Ultegra indexed levers and all 
>> and the black components, but it visually works to me somehow AND it feels 
>> ridiculously good.
>> Those are 42mm 650b tires in there. The 650b conversion thing died down 
>> years ago but I'd really recommend these frames for anyone looking for an 
>> affordable older road bike that has clearance when you convert it. The long 
>> reach Tektro side pulls even make canti conversion unnecessary. All that 
>> said it's one of the best riding bikes I've ever been on and having a 91cm 
>> PBH with a short torso can make finding older bikes hard but Treks geometry 
>> at that time was incredibly well thought out from size to size. It's such a 
>> different company now but that's a whole different topic. 
>> Anyhow, I went to town with some paint pens which I'd encourage anyone to 
>> do if you have an old beater. [image: IMG_2948.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Joe Bernard]

I'm loathe to jump back in because I regretted (and deleted) my last round 
of price whining BUT... that Clem H frame is presented as ridden with some 
nicks and scratches. I guess he's adding in the cost of cranks and posh but 
I still don't see $1600 there. BUT I did a KBB search on my four year old 
car yesterday just to see what the market looks like these days (I do this 
occasionally) and was shocked at how much the value has shot up in a year. 
So who knows, maybe used Rivs are getting crazy prices now! 路


On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 8:43:18 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> Guessing the pricing reflects that it's practically NOS and a discontinued 
> frame?
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 11:35:16 AM UTC-4 Brendan Willard in SF 
> wrote:
>
>> Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. H 59 frameset in SF.  $1600!?!?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-jose-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59/7333934405.html
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:08:51 AM UTC-7 Al in SF wrote:
>>
>>> The ultimate test of whether a bike is overpriced is whether it sits 
>>> around unsold for more than a month or two.
>>>
>>> That Saluki and Heron in North Smithfield, RI have been collecting 
>>> cobwebs on Craigslist for half a year by now.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:04:02 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 Have you tried to buy a 2x4 lately?
 Does Riv have any frames in stock?
 How fast did the Platy's sell out?

 I get it, I'm a frugal penny-pinching yankee that likes to negotiate, 
 so Imma with you, but you know the line of how to figure out the true 
 value 
 of something...

 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nice Roadini and the Clem Smith H earlier, but I wish folks would stop 
> pricing these as new with upgrades. $2k for a bike that came as a new 
> complete for under $1700 seems kinda gougy to me, even if the parts were 
> more expensive than the stock builds. Used is not new!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> 50cm Roadini in CT for 2000
>>
>> https://newlondon.craigslist.org/bik/d/stonington-rivendell-leo-roadini/7325354202.html
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Providence CL 2 for 4300 sale, or 1 each at 2300:
>>>
>>> 54cm AHH with Saluki decals 2,300
>>>
>>> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7327534733.html
>>>
>>> 55cm Heron 2,300
>>>
>>> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7327533955.html
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Clem Smith Jr. (in grilver!)
 52cm
 $1950
 San Francisco, CA


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clemsmithjr-52cm/7331243128.html

 [image: clem.jpg]





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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[JRStern11 via RBW Owners Bunch]

I actually contacted him as I am about 2 hours away bit decided to let it go. 
He wants to really sell 2 bikes.

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On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:15 PM, Matthew Williams 
 wrote:

>> The ultimate test of whether a bike is overpriced is whether it sits around 
>> unsold for more than a month or two.
>>
>> That Saluki and Heron in North Smithfield, RI have been collecting cobwebs 
>> on Craigslist for half a year by now.
>
> Several people have made offers but the seller won't ship the bikes, so they 
> remain within sight but bitterly out of reach.
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matthew Williams]

Roadini
60cm
$1300
Arvada, CO
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/arvada-rivendell-roadini-60cm/7329913914.html


Roadini
61cm
$2000
Austin, TX
https://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/austin-61cm-rivendell-leo-roadini/7331649832.html

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matthew Williams]

> The ultimate test of whether a bike is overpriced is whether it sits around 
> unsold for more than a month or two.
> 
> That Saluki and Heron in North Smithfield, RI have been collecting cobwebs on 
> Craigslist for half a year by now.


Several people have made offers but the seller won't ship the bikes, so they 
remain within sight but bitterly out of reach.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Brendan Willard]

The Grilver in Petaluma went for $500 with headset and BB-  I know because I 
bought it!  It was in perfect condition.  

Speaking in Thumbs 

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 10:03 AM, Alex K  wrote:
> 
> That one will sit 'til it's at market price, which is somewhere in the 
> $700-$1000 range.  I just bought my buddy a 52 H Grilver for $1500, fully 
> built.  I love the curved seat stays and the classic green and I hope the 
> seller gets $1600!!!  Very curious to see what it sells for.  Flashbacks to 
> the $3200 Grilver Clem H in Petaluma a few months ago that eventually got 
> parted out and frame sold for $800 (if I remember correctly.). Good luck 
> seller!!!
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:30:46 AM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>> If I did not have a Saluki and I wanted one, I would gladly buy that one if 
>> it were my size.  They are nice bikes and have a good following. When the 
>> time comes for me to sell mine, I expect I might do the same.  If the seller 
>> does not need to sell them, there is no harm in posting a high price that 
>> they would be willing to sell one for.  
>> 
>> In my personal opinion, I think the Heron is likely overpriced a bit.  That 
>> said, there have been some incredible bargains for Heron's lately. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:08:51 AM UTC-5 Al in SF wrote:
>>> The ultimate test of whether a bike is overpriced is whether it sits around 
>>> unsold for more than a month or two.
>>> 
>>> That Saluki and Heron in North Smithfield, RI have been collecting cobwebs 
>>> on Craigslist for half a year by now.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Alex K]

That one will sit 'til it's at market price, which is somewhere in the 
$700-$1000 range.  I just bought my buddy a 52 H Grilver for $1500, fully 
built.  I love the curved seat stays and the classic green and I hope the 
seller gets $1600!!!  Very curious to see what it sells for.  Flashbacks to 
the $3200 Grilver Clem H in Petaluma a few months ago that eventually got 
parted out and frame sold for $800 (if I remember correctly.). Good luck 
seller!!!

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:30:46 AM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:

> If I did not have a Saluki and I wanted one, I would gladly buy that one 
> if it were my size.  They are nice bikes and have a good following. When 
> the time comes for me to sell mine, I expect I might do the same.  If the 
> seller does not need to sell them, there is no harm in posting a high price 
> that they would be willing to sell one for.  
>
> In my personal *opinion*, I think the Heron is likely overpriced a bit.  
> That said, there have been some incredible bargains for Heron's lately. 
>
> Cheers,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:08:51 AM UTC-5 Al in SF wrote:
>
>> The ultimate test of whether a bike is overpriced is whether it sits 
>> around unsold for more than a month or two.
>>
>> That Saluki and Heron in North Smithfield, RI have been collecting 
>> cobwebs on Craigslist for half a year by now.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Current Bags that fit Nitto M12 Racks

[Ted Durant]

> Looking for good suggestions as to what currently fits well on this rack.
>

Swift Paloma - I put one on my new Breadwinner and am very happy with it. 
It's not as big as the old Rivendell Boxy Bag, which is the best ever (if 
you can live without a built in map pocket).

https://builtbyswift.com/shop/paloma-handlebar-bag-2021/
 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matt Beecher]

If I did not have a Saluki and I wanted one, I would gladly buy that one if 
it were my size.  They are nice bikes and have a good following. When the 
time comes for me to sell mine, I expect I might do the same.  If the 
seller does not need to sell them, there is no harm in posting a high price 
that they would be willing to sell one for.  

In my personal *opinion*, I think the Heron is likely overpriced a bit.  
That said, there have been some incredible bargains for Heron's lately. 

Cheers,
Matt in Oswego, IL

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:08:51 AM UTC-5 Al in SF wrote:

> The ultimate test of whether a bike is overpriced is whether it sits 
> around unsold for more than a month or two.
>
> That Saluki and Heron in North Smithfield, RI have been collecting cobwebs 
> on Craigslist for half a year by now.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

Guessing the pricing reflects that it's practically NOS and a discontinued 
frame?

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 11:35:16 AM UTC-4 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. H 59 frameset in SF.  $1600!?!?
>
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-jose-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59/7333934405.html
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:08:51 AM UTC-7 Al in SF wrote:
>
>> The ultimate test of whether a bike is overpriced is whether it sits 
>> around unsold for more than a month or two.
>>
>> That Saluki and Heron in North Smithfield, RI have been collecting 
>> cobwebs on Craigslist for half a year by now.
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:04:02 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried to buy a 2x4 lately?
>>> Does Riv have any frames in stock?
>>> How fast did the Platy's sell out?
>>>
>>> I get it, I'm a frugal penny-pinching yankee that likes to negotiate, so 
>>> Imma with you, but you know the line of how to figure out the true value of 
>>> something...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Nice Roadini and the Clem Smith H earlier, but I wish folks would stop 
 pricing these as new with upgrades. $2k for a bike that came as a new 
 complete for under $1700 seems kinda gougy to me, even if the parts were 
 more expensive than the stock builds. Used is not new!

 Joe Bernard

 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:

> 50cm Roadini in CT for 2000
>
> https://newlondon.craigslist.org/bik/d/stonington-rivendell-leo-roadini/7325354202.html
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Providence CL 2 for 4300 sale, or 1 each at 2300:
>>
>> 54cm AHH with Saluki decals 2,300
>>
>> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7327534733.html
>>
>> 55cm Heron 2,300
>>
>> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7327533955.html
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Clem Smith Jr. (in grilver!)
>>> 52cm
>>> $1950
>>> San Francisco, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clemsmithjr-52cm/7331243128.html
>>>
>>> [image: clem.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Brendan Willard in SF]

Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. H 59 frameset in SF.  $1600!?!?


https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-jose-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59/7333934405.html

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:08:51 AM UTC-7 Al in SF wrote:

> The ultimate test of whether a bike is overpriced is whether it sits 
> around unsold for more than a month or two.
>
> That Saluki and Heron in North Smithfield, RI have been collecting cobwebs 
> on Craigslist for half a year by now.
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:04:02 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Have you tried to buy a 2x4 lately?
>> Does Riv have any frames in stock?
>> How fast did the Platy's sell out?
>>
>> I get it, I'm a frugal penny-pinching yankee that likes to negotiate, so 
>> Imma with you, but you know the line of how to figure out the true value of 
>> something...
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Nice Roadini and the Clem Smith H earlier, but I wish folks would stop 
>>> pricing these as new with upgrades. $2k for a bike that came as a new 
>>> complete for under $1700 seems kinda gougy to me, even if the parts were 
>>> more expensive than the stock builds. Used is not new!
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 50cm Roadini in CT for 2000

 https://newlondon.craigslist.org/bik/d/stonington-rivendell-leo-roadini/7325354202.html

 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> Providence CL 2 for 4300 sale, or 1 each at 2300:
>
> 54cm AHH with Saluki decals 2,300
>
> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7327534733.html
>
> 55cm Heron 2,300
>
> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7327533955.html
>
> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Clem Smith Jr. (in grilver!)
>> 52cm
>> $1950
>> San Francisco, CA
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clemsmithjr-52cm/7331243128.html
>>
>> [image: clem.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Trek 510/Fun with paint pens

[Matthew P]

Awesome bike and awesome paint. Everyone, zoom in to see the speckles.
I was considering polka dots. Any lessons learned?
Wow, your coverage is so even and the dots are so small. 
Took a while? Any tricks to speed it up or be even?
Thanks for sharing.
-Matthew P
San Diego, CA

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 10:57:13 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> Just wanted to show one of my favorite bikes off. It's an '81 Trek 510 
> frame that I had canti-posts and a few other things added to. I know this 
> isn't full Riv taste, what with the carbon Ultegra indexed levers and all 
> and the black components, but it visually works to me somehow AND it feels 
> ridiculously good.
> Those are 42mm 650b tires in there. The 650b conversion thing died down 
> years ago but I'd really recommend these frames for anyone looking for an 
> affordable older road bike that has clearance when you convert it. The long 
> reach Tektro side pulls even make canti conversion unnecessary. All that 
> said it's one of the best riding bikes I've ever been on and having a 91cm 
> PBH with a short torso can make finding older bikes hard but Treks geometry 
> at that time was incredibly well thought out from size to size. It's such a 
> different company now but that's a whole different topic. 
> Anyhow, I went to town with some paint pens which I'd encourage anyone to 
> do if you have an old beater. [image: IMG_2948.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Roberta]

I'm so excited for everyone!  I've ridden mine a few times (not set up 
quite right) and I can tell the bike (frame with tires) is comfortable. 
It's compliant with road imperfections.   Once I get the right stem height 
with correct bars and appropriate bags and extras, I'll post pictures and 
report back.

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 1:01:59 AM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Yep, Leah, that's one gorgeous bike!   Thanks for keeping us all enthused 
> with your ride reports.
>
> Great news!  I got my wheels today from Rich at RBW and took my Platypus 
> frame with all the parts I've been collecting to Michael and Dan at Bayview 
> Bikes.  My build is on their calendar for Monday, but Michael said they'd 
> work on it earlier if things were slow.  I doubt things will be slow, but 
> by this time next week I might have my new bike!  Yippee for a new Platy!  
> I'll post ride photos as soon as I get it back from the shop.  
>
> Carry on, all!
>
> --Joyce
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:02:37 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> How is everyone liking their new bikes? Anybody else get a Platy box from 
>> Rivendell/dealer that we haven’t heard about yet? I do love everyone’s New 
>> Bike Day stories.
>>
>> I worked a full day today, starting at 0630. I was pretty wiped, and the 
>> winds were, once again, high in Las Vegas. I debated whether a ride would 
>> be any fun in these conditions (mine and the weather’s). I decided on an 
>> Apple Fitness weight lifting session, and it gave me a a burst of energy. 
>> So, after I made dinner I set out on a sunset ride. When it was time to go 
>> home, I didn’t. I rode longer and enjoyed the sunset and the feel of that 
>> Platypus underneath me. I love this bike. Can’t imagine a better one. I 
>> never regret taking it out, even when I’m dog-tired. Even when the winds 
>> are howling. Generate joy - ride a Platypus!
>>
>> Never a mile wasted,
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 29, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>> Leah, saw your note about the wind in LV. I was in NE Eureka Valley, of 
>> Death Valley NP on 5/20 - 23/. The wind was so bad Thursday night in 
>> Horsethief Canyon (5/20) we (12 people) almost packed up and headed for the 
>> Glacier Lodge in Big Pine. Half the crew slept in their vehicles, no tents 
>> put up because they would blow over (tried). I had the best spot, under a 
>> rock overhang where the wind was only 5-10 mph. Chance of snow and rain 
>> between 0400 and 1000 on 5/21. 
>>
>>
>> Mike "back in windy SLO CA" Godwin
>>
>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 7:20:03 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My Plat came with one in the packaging. I left it on under the wrap - 
>>> belt and braces as we say back home!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:12:15 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Kate, until you get that cool wrap done, you can use a clear chain 
 protector
  
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector?_pos=5&_sid=d25b413b7&_ss=r
  
 .
  
   The white you see is just the backing. 
   
 On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  
> Have fun.
>
> Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden 
> only 3 bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who knew? 
>  
> This is something I never thought about but now I am. 
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
> my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have 
> been selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine 
>> and it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I 
>> have a 
>> clear protector on my chain stay, but I do like the wrap.  Silver I 
>> think 
>> would be nice.  I already own the twine and I think I have silver tape 
>> and 
>> did that on a prior bike.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:46:13 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see you did go for the 1x - nice choice & a classy build all 
>>> around. Make sure they do a wrap & twine on the chain stay.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:35:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Roberta, I am SO excited for you. Analog does the most beautiful 
 work, don’t they? They never turn out a bad build. Beautiful, special 
 details that the owner will recognize and treasure. I love your classy 
 Peacock Platy. 

 This will be your first bike built from frame up, right? I can 
 hardly wait for you to go to Analog this weekend and send me the pics. 
 Roberta and 

[RBW] Re: Current Bags that fit Nitto M12 Racks

[iamkeith]

Riv has the best bag ever, of course, designed specifically for that rack:

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-trunksack-small-olive-20134

There's also one from Zimbale.  I have one in black.
It's not neatly as well made as the sackville, but is great for the price:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/333248195824?hash=item4d9723ecf0:g:LIsAAOSwgyZcIfI5

Acorn used to make one.  They said they're making some design changes  and 
then will hopefully bring it back.

These mini trunk bags are my favorite because they don't affect handling, 
but still give you room to keep a few important things in view.  


On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 5:02:51 PM UTC-6 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> I have an Acorn Rando that I might sell if you're interested.  It's an 
> older version of this bag. 
>   
> I'd want around $115 + shipping.
>
> Cheers,
> Brendan in SF
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:11:36 AM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Acorn Bags Pac-X Compact Rando Bag.  I use one on my Marks Rack.  
>>
>>
>> https://www.acornbags.com/products/x-pac-compact-rando-bag?variant=31410202804358
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:10:45 AM UTC-7 jonan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Looking for good suggestions as to what currently fits well on this 
>>> rack. I just purchased one which fits my Bridgestone MB-2 extremely well, 
>>> but not sure that I want to modify my current bag to fit. What bags are out 
>>> there that I haven't seen yet?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance, you folks have a great list!
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Tom Wyland]

I've added my fenders (SKS P50), dynamo lights and front derailleur (Campy
from Joe!) to my Platy. I've gotten lots of insights from this group!   My
wife and I took a little ride through local trails on Sunday, dodging
cicadas. Some dirt farm paths and a few stream crossings (even a tunnel).
Not bad for the DC suburbs.  The Platy is pretty amazing. The fork (and
quill stem) are much more compliant than any other bike I've ridden.  I see
why Grant has kept away from disk brakes. You'd never get that feel with a
beefed-up thru-axle fork and disk brakes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice - Sam Hillborne vs Atlantis

[Daniel Searson]

Hello everyone,

Thank you for the welcome and for the detailed and thought out replies!
Your advice is much appreciated. It sounds like it would be a good idea to
talk with Rivendell directly, which I have been meaning to do as well. Its
good to also get some honest feedback from people with direct experience. I
think based on some of your replies I would be leaning towards the Sam
Hillborne, I certainly don't think I'd be disappointed.

Michael - the Appaloosa did cross my mind as well, thanks for the
suggestion. For some reason it doesn't resonate with me as much, perhaps
it's the lack of rainbow top tube! I think all the photos I've seen of them
are upright bar builds, so I can't really picture the frame with drop bars.

One thing I didn't mention is that I live in Australia, so Rivendells are
super rare here. In fact, I've only ever seen one in the flesh (a Platypus,
coincidentally). There is a bike shop here in Adelaide who have recently
started importing Rivendells which has got me thinking about all of this.


Cheers
Daniel

On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 09:08, Michael Williams 
wrote:

> Daniel,  the new Appaloosas are being released soon.  Maybe a release this
> week?  You gotta be on it though, recent runs of Riv frames tend to go
> fast!   There’s a 60cm in this run,  which might fit your PBH well and it’s
> a little shorter in the TT  than the Atlantis which would/ might allow you
> you to ride drops; and a chainstay that’s in between the length of Atlantis
> and Hillborne and has a sloping TT which will allow you to get the bars up
> and has tire clearance between what the Atlantis and Hillborne will allow.
> I think the frames will be orange and mermaid ,  which are great colors.
> Take a look at the site or always give them a call. Every time I’ve called,
>  they love talkin bikes.-Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:23 PM, J S  wrote:
>
> Daniel, I bought an Atlantis last summer and sold it in a month or less.
> For me the long chain stays were not to my liking.  I was lucky to find a
> new Sam at a dealer before Riv got their last shipment in.  I really like
> the Sam Hillborne and run it with 48mm tires.  It rides and handles great.
> I use Choco bars and sit at about 50-60 degrees, so not bolt upright, and I
> hold the bars either on top of the break levers or further up maybe close
> to the hoods on a drop bar.  You should, if possible try to ride them, I
> was unable too before purchasing any of the Rivendells I have bought over
> the years.
>
> If there is a list member near you who has one  I bet they be happy to
> help you.
>
> Good luck
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:07:24 AM UTC-4 daniel@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm glad I recently found this group, I am hoping you can help me out!
>>
>> I am planning on ordering a Rivendell frameset in the near future
>> (whenever they are in stock, I am patient). I am just having a hard time
>> deciding what might be right for me between the Sam Hillborne and the
>> Atlantis, mainly on the geometry.
>>
>> I would be using the bike for a half-hour commute on road / bike paths a
>> couple of times a week with panniers, and also for weekend rides of ~1-2
>> hours mostly on gravel roads. I want to build it up with drop bars and
>> something around ~45mm tyres.
>>
>> My PBH is 91cm and my previous drop bar bikes have had a ~60cm top tube.
>> I am tall enough that I have never owned a road bike that is capable of
>> getting the bars level with the saddle, even with a riser stem! My hope for
>> a Rivendell is to set it up with drop bars that can actually be level with
>> the saddle, and to have a bike that will be with me for life.
>>
>> I have always LOVED the look of the Atlantis, especially with the extra
>> rainbow top tube. The colour and the head badge are beautiful. For this
>> reason alone it would be my first choice, however… my concern is that in my
>> size (59 cm) the top tube length is 64cm which seems very long, like it
>> would be too long for drop bars. I get the feeling that maybe the “new”
>> Atlantis is more optimised for upright bars? Does anyone have recent
>> experience with drops on the Atlantis?
>>
>> Sam Hillborne is a beautiful looking frame too (in orange). The geometry
>> seems to be more “standard” and it would fit my needs nicely. However I’m a
>> little confused on size, the geometry charts on the Riv website lead me to
>> believe there is a 58cm which would be my size, or possibly a 62cm which is
>> the next size up. The text on the Sam Hillborne page suggests there is a
>> 60cm model as the biggest - have they recently updated the sizing and
>> geometry?
>>
>> I think I really want the Atlantis but am hoping for reassurance on the
>> fit. Any light you can shed on this would be great!
>> Thanks
>> Daniel
>>
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Re: [RBW] Advice for after a Fall?

[exliontamer]

Erik's 100% right on about steel's resiliency. The mechanic was pretty 
amazed that the Atlantis was able to go back into perfect alignment with 
relative ease. Especially considering the wheels , bars, brake levers, etc, 
were comically bent up. 
I'm sorry to hear about everyone's wrecks. I feel like I got off so easily 
considering. The guy who did it drove off but I happened to be present 
enough get his license plate number. Three joggers witnessed the whole 
thing and were kind enough to stay as witnesses. The officer who filed the 
report came up to me as I was being loaded into the ambulance to let me 
know that they caught him in downtown Nashville. His insurance company 
covered everything. I think they were happy that I wasn't filing a lawsuit. 
Kind of a strange night in the sense that despite the negativity of that 
pecker doing a hit and run, the joggers, police officers, doctors, and 
emt's made my faith in humanity even stronger...I still remind myself of 
that night when I start to feel misanthropic feelings coming on. 
Anyhow Ben, I'm glad you're ok. If you're anything like me, it takes about 
a week of riding again before I start feeling confident again after wrecks. 
I also want add that if aluminum bars bend(or any aluminum parts), get new 
ones. It's not BS. The lose their resiliency with bending and strong 
impact. I have a Laser Helium helmet and would recommend it for 
ventilation, comfort, and adjustment. I'm also in the muggy southeastern 
US. Also I don't think helmets are capable of looking cool outside of this. 
[image: 
Unknown.jpeg]
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 6:12:18 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> Hey Ben.  I'm really sorry to hear about the accident!  I went through 
> this back in January after another cyclist rammed into me head-on.  I was 
> riding my Appaloosa.  I crashed really hard.  The initial impact with the 
> other cyclist damaged my brake lever and bars.  The subsequent crash into 
> the ground and skidding along the road damaged my rear derailer and 
> derailer hangar.  It likewise damaged my shifter and other brake lever.  My 
> saddle was scuffed up as well.  The front basket ended up taking the brunt 
> of the impact, but the front rack (a big ol' Nitto) was a bit bent as well. 
>  The housing on my Edulux light was scraped up but still worked.  In the 
> end, I think the basket / rack took the brunt of the impact on the fall and 
> likely protected the bike from worse damage.
>
> I posted about it here asking a similar questions.  I took everyone's 
> advice and brought my bike into a local shop with mechanics I trust to get 
> the whole thing inspected.   I do all of my own wrenching, but I felt it 
> was important for my future safety to get the whole thing thoroughly 
> inspected.  They looked at everything in great detail including frame 
> alignment.   No fork or frame misalignment, but I had dents and chips in 
> the frame from the impact with the ground.  The wheels were good.  They 
> wrote up an estimate for me for insurance and for the court (about $1300 
> with a new paint job at D Cycles).   I ended up just eating the dents and 
> paint chips without getting them fixed, but replaced the handlebars, brake 
> levers, shift levers, rear derailer.  I was able to bend the basket back 
> into shape and get the rack re-aligned myself.  I also did a minor 
> correction to the rear derailer hanger.  I put some pretty orange Testor's 
> model paint on the chipped areas. 
>
> These bikes are pretty tough.  Steel, after all.  But I'm really glad I 
> had it inspected by a good mechanic and had them write up a total repair 
> estimate.  I've just recently been able to start riding again after healing 
> from my injuries and I feel pretty confident with the safety of the bike.   
> I cracked my helmet in the accident too.  I've replaced it with a Giro 
> Caden in matte gray.   
>
> Good luck!  
>
>  
>

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