[RBW] Re: FS: 110/74 Sugino rings and a guard, rad Oakleys

[Joe Bernard]

Rings sold. Buy my Oakleys! 



On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 3:21:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Rad Oakleys dropped to $50 shipped. 
> Make offers if you want one or more of the rings and/or chainguard. 
>
> Joe "we're GIVIN em away!" Bernard
>
> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 50t ring gone, let's do shipped prices for the rest. 
>> 24-36-guard and lime/orange Oakleys, $60 each. Shipped! 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 1:11:17 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Blue/pink/purple way-rad shades gone 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Btw if you're one of the rare enlightened ones who know most people 
 ride too-long cranks, I have 152mm arms for these, too. 



 On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:26:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ack, I wish I could edit these things. "Rings plus guard as a group."
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'm selling the 24-36-50 rings as a group, priced as though the 50t 
>> is basically free cuz no one wants those things, you'll probably use the 
>> guard. Matching ramped and pinned set from an XD600 crank, 24 and 36 
>> used 
>> minimally, 50 is new. 
>> $50 plus shipping. 
>>
>> 2 Oakley EV Zero
>> Lime/orange "sun fade" perfect, $50+
>> Blue/pink/purple has a scratch at top edge of lens, not in line of 
>> sight while riding, $35+
>>
>> Hollaback for more pics and chat and such as,
>> Joe Bernard 
>> Marin County CA. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Brian Campbell]

I would vote to take it with you. I have a Legolas that I ride regularly 
and travel with attached to the back of my car. Its worth is in the riding, 
not the fetishizing. If it gets stole, you know how to replace it. 

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Leah, I can't even imagine your angst if the Platy got stolen!  I'm with 
> Eric...take it on the trip ONLY if you can secure it in your room at 
> night.  Yes, it will be crowded and your family will think you're nuts 
> (about that bike), but they already know that!
>
> If I know I'm going to be traveling through a lot of rain, I remove the 
> seat post, marking it well first so I can get it back to the perfect 
> position.  I stuff a bit of plastic bag in the hole then cover it with the 
> rest of the bag and secure it with a rubber band (wide broccoli type).  
> Storing the saddle/seat post makes for one more thing to fit into the car 
> and in your case 4 things, but you won't have to worry about ruining your 
> leather saddles.
>
> Have a fabulous trip!  Kids "running wild" is the best...all kids need 
> that.  Enjoy your family!
>
> #RivSisters,
> Joyce
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:18:22 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I think your biggest risk is leaving it on the rack overnight. U locks 
>> are easy to break. Take the bikes into the room, hassle though it may be. 
>> At least then you can admire them!
>>
>> My Bike Friday easily fits into my trunk, so I don't have these kinds of 
>> worries :)
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 2:08 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
>>> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
>>> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
>>> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
>>> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
>>> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
>>> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>>>
>>> But which ones? 
>>>
>>> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought 
>>> it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment 
>>> we were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
>>> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
>>> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
>>> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
>>> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
>>> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
>>> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
>>> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
>>> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
>>> into family garages…
>>>
>>> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
>>> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
>>> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
>>> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
>>> There’s only one. 
>>>
>>> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
>>> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
>>> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
>>> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
>>> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
>>> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
>>> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>>>
>>> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Nitto parts for sale

[Kelsey Ashcraft]

Nitto Bull Bosco bars 54cm wide 135.00
Nitto Technomic stem 50cm x 26.0 40.00
Nitto Technomic stem 100cm 26.0 40.00
Sackville ClembaSack Tan never used 80.00
All prices include shipping to lower 48
I can't figure out out to post pictures so feel free to text me and I'll 
send you pics!

Thanks for looking
Kelsey A.

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[RBW] Toyo Atlantis Fleecer Ridge

[Brett Becklund]

Greetings! This is my first post as I just took ownership of a 56cm 700c Toyo 
Atlantis and am wondering if anyone has tried fitting the Rene Herse 700x55 
Fleecer Ridge knobbies on one. If not I’d be happy with the Oracle Ridge, but 
like the idea of hitting the trails with the 55’s. Thanks -Brett

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[RBW] Rivendell Road serial number help

[Chris Block]

Can’t remember the pedigree of my Rivendell Road.  I purchased it on EBay 
close to 20 years ago from a gentleman who had two for sale, one an orange 
Road, which I bought, and another, a beautiful green All-Rounder.  Should 
have bought them both, talk about Sophie’s choice!  Was a bit of a sad 
story, the original owner had ordered these two and had never ridden them 
due to declining health.
  So, serial number is R72M, with RIVENDELL on the other side of the BB 
shell.  Any historians able to fill me in?

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[RBW] Re: Clothing for hot and humid riding

[joshuamarx]

For the past couple of years, for bona fide summer heat I have come to rely 
on linen shirts--similar breezy comfort to seersucker, but with odor 
resistance!
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 2:08:17 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the continued feedback, people. I do dig wool and own a ton of 
> the 100% merino variety. Agreed on all accounts. 
>
> Gabe, I've had a few items from Everlane but they never work for me and I 
> always sell or return them. The seersucker shirts you mention do seem to 
> have a generous cut (unlike some of the shirts I've had from them in the 
> past). 
>
> Regarding seersucker: Yesterday one of the old Rivendell MUSA seersucker 
> long sleeve shirts came in the mail. Have yet to ride in it but I do like 
> it quite a lot. Double pencil stalls! 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:10:19 AM UTC-4 gabe.de...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Everlane sells a seersucker shortsleeve button up. The fit is 
>> appropriate, I got a medium and it fit a little bigger than some other 
>> mediums I've got. A large would have been good too. Also enjoy that the 
>> sleeves aren't incredibly short.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 3:22:18 PM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Here in Michigan it doesn't get crazy hot, but for us used to the cold, 
>>> it gets hot. Humidity can be bad too. I second or third or fourth the 
>>> seersucker fabric. If it is especially hot, my best trick is to put on a 
>>> very heavy cotton tee shirt and jump in the lake of soak it in water. The 
>>> evaporation from the fabric is very cooling. I learned this from my friend 
>>> who lived on Oklahoma and drove a topless Jeep all summer. 
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It's getting into the gross season here in Virginia where heat and 
 humidity blend into a delightful sludge. I'm curious to hear from members 
 about their preferred riding clothing for the heat. What's your go-to 
 deal? 
 I'm curious about comfort for longer rides (which for me are in the range 
 of 40-60 miles) in non-cycling cycling clothes. Any experienced riders 
 from 
 the Sticky States have a special blend they'd like to share? 

 I often ride in whatever I happen to be wearing and usually that's a 
 cotton tee and a pair of heavy canvas carpenter shorts. For longer rides I 
 prefer a linen or chambray shirt. Linen, in particular, has been great. 

 I'm looking for some inspiration to counter my perspiration. The canvas 
 shorts are not ideal. I have two pairs of MUSA shorts from Riv but for my 
 tastes they are way too long and too baggy. I'm resistant to going over to 
 traditional jerseys and shorts, though the idea of Kucharik wool shorts 
 has 
 caught my interest. 

 Thanks to all in advance!



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Re: [RBW] Paul Motolites, short review and pics

[Liam Dalzell]

I've used them to switch between 650b and 26" wheels on the same bike - 
performance is grand either way.(The rim widths on my 650bs differ from 
the 26"s, complicating mechanical advantage comparisons - would be 
interesting to see how they get on with only a vertical adjustment of the 
pads.  But oodles of power in either case.)  Am guessing that the excellent 
performance is partly down to the beefy cylindrical arms' resistance to the 
rotational flex that can splay pads away from rims.

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 7:03:06 AM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> The bike in the photo is now disassembled, with the caliper adjuster 
> transferred to the bigger Hoodoo. I'll try to get a higher-rez photo 
> tomorrow and post it up.
>
> I'd never heard of the widget either, until I embarked on the 
> wheel-embiggening project somewhere around 2010. I figured that since I 
> never ride offroad, a bigger wheel gets me a little farther for each 
> rotation. In part, it was a quest for smoother tires; it's possible that 
> had Compass been in business selling slick 26" tires back then, I might 
> never have tried to go to 700c.
>
> Fortunately for me, VooDoos were designed by Joe Murray, who also designed 
> the early Konas. His design style happens to include brake bridges on canti 
> frames placed pretty high, which gives you a lot of space for bigger wheels 
> (I was running mostly 700c 33mm, and I still had space to go bigger). The 
> only problem was the placement of the canti bosses, which is inherent in 
> any canti 26" frame.
>
>
> https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/mavic-2013-brake-caliper-adjusters/rp-prod33432
>
> [image: iu.jpeg]
>
> An extended googling revealed the existence of the Mavic caliper adjuster, 
> which I'd just seen in a closed auction on eBay. It appeared on Mavic's 
> site for nearly a decade. I then started going into every dealer in San 
> Francisco's East Bay, asking for one. Every single dealer looked at me as 
> if I was crazy ("I've never heard of such a thing; Mavic doesn't make them. 
> Why would you even want something as stupid as that?"). I'd explain my 
> project; they'd pull out the Mavic catalog, find the item and be 
> dumbfounded ("well, I'll be damned...").
>
> After over a year's searching, I walked into the sixteenth Mavic dealer - 
> Montano Velo in North Oakland, then the home of the locally famous 
> Broakland fixed-gear. I delivered my usual speech in a tone of despair and 
> resignation (*do you have a Mavic caliper adjuster - it's a kind of canti 
> brake booster with additional pivot posts*), expecting the usual answer 
> (see above). Instead, the young'un behind the counter said:
>
> "What, you mean like *these*?"
>
> He then reached under the counter and pulled out a cardboard box with 
> *six* of the things. I immediately paid him $25 for one; he told me that 
> they'd been there for at least three years, and that I was the first person 
> to even ask for one, forget buy one.
>
> They are a niche part for a niche purpose, but they perform their niche 
> task really well, at least in the rear. I'd be a little more nervous about 
> relying on one for a front brake - the caliper does flex, and it might be 
> unnerving to see on the front end. If you're committed to the 26"-to-700c 
> idea, I think it makes more sense to mount a rigid cyclocross fork or 
> sprung 29er fork in place of the 26" one.
>
> Peter Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 3:24:03 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Peter, do you have a close up of the Mavic caliper adjuster, never 
>> heard/seen of them before. Thanks, Steve
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jay LePree]

Hi all:

I have Analogue cycles building my bike up.  The only outstanding items are 
the Velocity 650B Quill rims which are at the polishers.  I believe it will 
be about 1 month for the rims to be shipped and then sometime to have the 
bike built up, but I will post pictures.  I am surprised of the shortage of 
wheel rims for rim brakes.  I think many companies are stocking rims for 
bicycles equipped for disc brakes.  For those of you thinking of starting a 
project with wheels for rim brakes, considering ordering earlier.  I may 
actually stock up on rims later this year, just so that I have them.

Analogue has been a pleasure to work with.  They have an excellent website 
and have been great to communicate with.  Highly recommended.
Kind regards
Jay  LePree
Demarest, NJ

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:21:44 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I'm so excited for everyone!  I've ridden mine a few times (not set up 
> quite right) and I can tell the bike (frame with tires) is comfortable. 
> It's compliant with road imperfections.   Once I get the right stem height 
> with correct bars and appropriate bags and extras, I'll post pictures and 
> report back.
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 1:01:59 AM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> Yep, Leah, that's one gorgeous bike!   Thanks for keeping us all enthused 
>> with your ride reports.
>>
>> Great news!  I got my wheels today from Rich at RBW and took my Platypus 
>> frame with all the parts I've been collecting to Michael and Dan at Bayview 
>> Bikes.  My build is on their calendar for Monday, but Michael said they'd 
>> work on it earlier if things were slow.  I doubt things will be slow, but 
>> by this time next week I might have my new bike!  Yippee for a new Platy!  
>> I'll post ride photos as soon as I get it back from the shop.  
>>
>> Carry on, all!
>>
>> --Joyce
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:02:37 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How is everyone liking their new bikes? Anybody else get a Platy box 
>>> from Rivendell/dealer that we haven’t heard about yet? I do love everyone’s 
>>> New Bike Day stories.
>>>
>>> I worked a full day today, starting at 0630. I was pretty wiped, and the 
>>> winds were, once again, high in Las Vegas. I debated whether a ride would 
>>> be any fun in these conditions (mine and the weather’s). I decided on an 
>>> Apple Fitness weight lifting session, and it gave me a a burst of energy. 
>>> So, after I made dinner I set out on a sunset ride. When it was time to go 
>>> home, I didn’t. I rode longer and enjoyed the sunset and the feel of that 
>>> Platypus underneath me. I love this bike. Can’t imagine a better one. I 
>>> never regret taking it out, even when I’m dog-tired. Even when the winds 
>>> are howling. Generate joy - ride a Platypus!
>>>
>>> Never a mile wasted,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah, saw your note about the wind in LV. I was in NE Eureka Valley, of 
>>> Death Valley NP on 5/20 - 23/. The wind was so bad Thursday night in 
>>> Horsethief Canyon (5/20) we (12 people) almost packed up and headed for the 
>>> Glacier Lodge in Big Pine. Half the crew slept in their vehicles, no tents 
>>> put up because they would blow over (tried). I had the best spot, under a 
>>> rock overhang where the wind was only 5-10 mph. Chance of snow and rain 
>>> between 0400 and 1000 on 5/21. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike "back in windy SLO CA" Godwin
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 7:20:03 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My Plat came with one in the packaging. I left it on under the wrap - 
 belt and braces as we say back home!

 On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:12:15 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Kate, until you get that cool wrap done, you can use a clear chain 
> protector
>  
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector?_pos=5&_sid=d25b413b7&_ss=r
>  
> .
>  
>   The white you see is just the backing. 
>   
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  
>> Have fun.
>>
>> Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden 
>> only 3 bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who 
>> knew?  
>> This is something I never thought about but now I am. 
>> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>> my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have 
>> been selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine 
>>> and it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I 
>>> have a 
>>> clear protector on my chain stay, but I do 

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Front Derailleur setup problems

[Brian Campbell]

Not sure. That seems like it should work.

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 10:17:46 PM UTC-4 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am having trouble making a triple setup work on my Rivendell Sam 
> Hillborne.
> I am trying to use a Specialized "Flag" triple crankset and a Deore XT FD 
> and Shimano barend shifters (set on friction.) 
>
> I have I think followed the standard FD setup steps.
> - in Small Front/Big Rear set the limit screw to just allow the chain to 
> clear.
> - set the FD cages basically parallel to the chain rings
> - allow a coin's thickness height clearance of the cages over the big ring.
> - while the Specialized "Flag" triple crank is not in Sheldon Brown's 
> database of compatible Cranksets and BB I think I used a 117mm axle BB and 
> the small ring seems to just be clearing the chainstay reasonably.
>
> But I cannot seem to get enough "throw" to both shift into the big 
> chainring AND to drop down into the small ring.
>
> As I wasn't even sure the XL SH would fit or work for me, I was basically 
> just trying to set it up quickly to see if it fit.
> it seems it does.
> But having quickly grabbed a few parts that I thought might work maybe 
> just dipping into my parts bin for parts I think should work has left me 
> again with incompatible components.
> and know my setup problems have nothing to do with the frame but, here's 
> the real quesion - AM I NOT CORRECT  that a Deore XT FD and Shimano (or 
> other) barend shifters are one of the setups of choice of Rivendell riders?
> should these not play together well. should a shimano LH barend shifter  
> have enough range to cover a triple shift.?[image: Hull SH.JPG]
> [image: SH FD side view.JPG]
> [image: SH trip FD alignment.JPG]
> [image: SH RH barend.JPG]
>

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[RBW] Re: Current Bags that fit Nitto M12 Racks

[Jon Lankow]

Hey all, 

After installing the rack today I realized that I am limited on width (and 
height to a certain extent) on what I would like to comfortably install. I 
went ahead and pulled the trigger on the Rivendell (what a shock right?!?). 
Thanks to everyone for pics and comments. 

Brendan, good looking bag but not what I decided to go for. Thanks for the 
pics and GLWS!

Jon

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 11:36:43 AM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> Looking for good suggestions as to what currently fits well on this rack.
>>
>
> Swift Paloma - I put one on my new Breadwinner and am very happy with it. 
> It's not as big as the old Rivendell Boxy Bag, which is the best ever (if 
> you can live without a built in map pocket).
>
> https://builtbyswift.com/shop/paloma-handlebar-bag-2021/
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[CoalTrain]

Hi everyone! I’m a long time reader but seldom post. I’m super excited to 
be joining the Platypus band wagon later this week after finding  probably 
the last 60cm frame in North America, from Canada! I’ve owned a few Rivs 
since 2002 but my favorite was the Cheviot. An amazing bike but never cared 
for the long reach brakes, and always wished for cantis or v-brakes. Glad 
to know Grant and company is apart of the make-a-bikewish foundation since 
they’ve made my mountain mixte dreams come true!

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 8:21:44 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I'm so excited for everyone!  I've ridden mine a few times (not set up 
> quite right) and I can tell the bike (frame with tires) is comfortable. 
> It's compliant with road imperfections.   Once I get the right stem height 
> with correct bars and appropriate bags and extras, I'll post pictures and 
> report back.
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 1:01:59 AM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> Yep, Leah, that's one gorgeous bike!   Thanks for keeping us all enthused 
>> with your ride reports.
>>
>> Great news!  I got my wheels today from Rich at RBW and took my Platypus 
>> frame with all the parts I've been collecting to Michael and Dan at Bayview 
>> Bikes.  My build is on their calendar for Monday, but Michael said they'd 
>> work on it earlier if things were slow.  I doubt things will be slow, but 
>> by this time next week I might have my new bike!  Yippee for a new Platy!  
>> I'll post ride photos as soon as I get it back from the shop.  
>>
>> Carry on, all!
>>
>> --Joyce
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:02:37 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How is everyone liking their new bikes? Anybody else get a Platy box 
>>> from Rivendell/dealer that we haven’t heard about yet? I do love everyone’s 
>>> New Bike Day stories.
>>>
>>> I worked a full day today, starting at 0630. I was pretty wiped, and the 
>>> winds were, once again, high in Las Vegas. I debated whether a ride would 
>>> be any fun in these conditions (mine and the weather’s). I decided on an 
>>> Apple Fitness weight lifting session, and it gave me a a burst of energy. 
>>> So, after I made dinner I set out on a sunset ride. When it was time to go 
>>> home, I didn’t. I rode longer and enjoyed the sunset and the feel of that 
>>> Platypus underneath me. I love this bike. Can’t imagine a better one. I 
>>> never regret taking it out, even when I’m dog-tired. Even when the winds 
>>> are howling. Generate joy - ride a Platypus!
>>>
>>> Never a mile wasted,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah, saw your note about the wind in LV. I was in NE Eureka Valley, of 
>>> Death Valley NP on 5/20 - 23/. The wind was so bad Thursday night in 
>>> Horsethief Canyon (5/20) we (12 people) almost packed up and headed for the 
>>> Glacier Lodge in Big Pine. Half the crew slept in their vehicles, no tents 
>>> put up because they would blow over (tried). I had the best spot, under a 
>>> rock overhang where the wind was only 5-10 mph. Chance of snow and rain 
>>> between 0400 and 1000 on 5/21. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike "back in windy SLO CA" Godwin
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 7:20:03 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My Plat came with one in the packaging. I left it on under the wrap - 
 belt and braces as we say back home!

 On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:12:15 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Kate, until you get that cool wrap done, you can use a clear chain 
> protector
>  
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector?_pos=5&_sid=d25b413b7&_ss=r
>  
> .
>  
>   The white you see is just the backing. 
>   
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  
>> Have fun.
>>
>> Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden 
>> only 3 bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who 
>> knew?  
>> This is something I never thought about but now I am. 
>> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>> my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have 
>> been selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine 
>>> and it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I 
>>> have a 
>>> clear protector on my chain stay, but I do like the wrap.  Silver I 
>>> think 
>>> would be nice.  I already own the twine and I think I have silver tape 
>>> and 
>>> did that on a prior bike.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:46:13 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jay LePree]

I am having mine built up by Analogue Cycles.  The only outstanding parts 
are the Velocity Quill rims which are at the polishers.   I think the rims 
will ship in 4 weeks as the polishers are behind.   My guess is I will be 
able to post the build in about 1.5  months are so.  

I am a bit alarmed how difficult it is to get rims for rim brakes now.  I 
think if this were disc brake bike, there would be more choices to swap in 
different rims.  I cannot understand why rim brakes have fallen out of 
fashion.  While discs are better in mud and snow and somewhat better in 
rain, they do have some disadvantages, like checking pad life, installing 
new pads, and prevention of pad from rubbing the rotor.  

Jay
Demarest, NJ
07627
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:21:44 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I'm so excited for everyone!  I've ridden mine a few times (not set up 
> quite right) and I can tell the bike (frame with tires) is comfortable. 
> It's compliant with road imperfections.   Once I get the right stem height 
> with correct bars and appropriate bags and extras, I'll post pictures and 
> report back.
>
> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 1:01:59 AM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> Yep, Leah, that's one gorgeous bike!   Thanks for keeping us all enthused 
>> with your ride reports.
>>
>> Great news!  I got my wheels today from Rich at RBW and took my Platypus 
>> frame with all the parts I've been collecting to Michael and Dan at Bayview 
>> Bikes.  My build is on their calendar for Monday, but Michael said they'd 
>> work on it earlier if things were slow.  I doubt things will be slow, but 
>> by this time next week I might have my new bike!  Yippee for a new Platy!  
>> I'll post ride photos as soon as I get it back from the shop.  
>>
>> Carry on, all!
>>
>> --Joyce
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:02:37 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How is everyone liking their new bikes? Anybody else get a Platy box 
>>> from Rivendell/dealer that we haven’t heard about yet? I do love everyone’s 
>>> New Bike Day stories.
>>>
>>> I worked a full day today, starting at 0630. I was pretty wiped, and the 
>>> winds were, once again, high in Las Vegas. I debated whether a ride would 
>>> be any fun in these conditions (mine and the weather’s). I decided on an 
>>> Apple Fitness weight lifting session, and it gave me a a burst of energy. 
>>> So, after I made dinner I set out on a sunset ride. When it was time to go 
>>> home, I didn’t. I rode longer and enjoyed the sunset and the feel of that 
>>> Platypus underneath me. I love this bike. Can’t imagine a better one. I 
>>> never regret taking it out, even when I’m dog-tired. Even when the winds 
>>> are howling. Generate joy - ride a Platypus!
>>>
>>> Never a mile wasted,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah, saw your note about the wind in LV. I was in NE Eureka Valley, of 
>>> Death Valley NP on 5/20 - 23/. The wind was so bad Thursday night in 
>>> Horsethief Canyon (5/20) we (12 people) almost packed up and headed for the 
>>> Glacier Lodge in Big Pine. Half the crew slept in their vehicles, no tents 
>>> put up because they would blow over (tried). I had the best spot, under a 
>>> rock overhang where the wind was only 5-10 mph. Chance of snow and rain 
>>> between 0400 and 1000 on 5/21. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike "back in windy SLO CA" Godwin
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 7:20:03 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My Plat came with one in the packaging. I left it on under the wrap - 
 belt and braces as we say back home!

 On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:12:15 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Kate, until you get that cool wrap done, you can use a clear chain 
> protector
>  
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector?_pos=5&_sid=d25b413b7&_ss=r
>  
> .
>  
>   The white you see is just the backing. 
>   
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  
>> Have fun.
>>
>> Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden 
>> only 3 bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who 
>> knew?  
>> This is something I never thought about but now I am. 
>> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>> my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have 
>> been selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine 
>>> and it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I 
>>> have a 
>>> clear protector on my chain stay, but I do like the wrap.  Silver I 
>>> think 
>>> would 

[RBW] Re: FS Shimano Ultegra FC 6503 Triple Crankset [SOLD]

[Robb]

Sold

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:10:47 AM UTC-4 Robb wrote:

> New, never installed. 
> Number of Chainrings: Triple
> Rings: 52-42-30 teeth
> Number of Speeds: 9
> Chainring BCD: 130/74mm
> Crank Arm Length: 175mm
> Spindle Interface Type: Octalink II
>
> Purchased for my Clem Low build for compatibility with my Atlantis, but 
> ended up using a double crank.
>
> Note: Bottom Bracket not included
>
> Asking $80
>

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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Leah Peterson]

Thanks for all the thoughts, everyone. I find every one of them useful. I’m 
still undecided, but I’m going to see if my Platy fits in the back of the van 
this week, and if so, can we get our luggage around it? 

Keith, you are so fortunate to live in that territory - I simply cannot imagine 
a more beautiful place. Wild. Free. Breathtaking. We are arriving in the wee 
hours of Saturday morning in Jackson Hole, sleeping at a hotel and then 
continuing up through the park to see the sights Saturday morning. We won’t be 
riding there - Yellowstone always ends up as a quick expedition as we conquer 
the 28 hour drive up to lakes country in Minnesota. We need to take a dedicated 
4 or 5 days to do the real hiking and exploring. At least we get to visit the 
geyser basins, the falls, and see the bison. I’ve read about the reintroduction 
of the wolves (my favorite is a tie between the 06 female and her granddad, 
Wolf 21, The Super Wolf) and would love to see the packs in the Lamar Valley 
one day. [And if anyone would like to whet their appetite for learning about 
the wolves of Yellowstone, here’s a brief article about the Super Wolf here:
 
https://www.salon.com/2015/07/04/the_perfect_wolf_twenty_one_was_a_legend_he_never_lost_a_fight_and_he_never_killed_a_vanquished_rival/

Also, the books by Rick McIntyre are excellent AND this episode from the 
Podcast Snap Judgment, where Rick is interviewed, along with Doug Smith: 
https://www.scpr.org/programs/snap-judgment/2018/06/14/61326/.  ] All that to 
say, it will be tough to coordinate with you, Keith, but I wish I could because 
I’d love to meet you and your wife and hand her the Platypus for a test ride. 
Next time!

Sorry, back on track. You all had excellent points, and that is the problem. 
Still undecided, but grateful for the feedback,
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 13, 2021, at 12:12 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
> Leah,
> 
> Yellowstone/Beartooth/Wyoming/Montana is my home territory, so here are my 
> thoughts to hopefully put your mind at ease:
> 
> -  Other than keeping your saddle covered, which is always a good idea, don't 
> worry about summer snow storms.  What most people don't realize is that it's 
> as arid here as it is in Vegas.  As soon as the snow/slush/rain passes (which 
> will be quick), everything will dry quickly.  Rust is mostly a non-issue.  
> Rooftop racks are better than hitch racks if you MUST drive through the rain, 
> because the bikes won't get road spray on them, but they get bug splats 
> otherwise.  But the same truth usually holds:  pull over, take a break, and 
> the roads will dry out in no time.  Another nice thing to know is that hey 
> don't use as much salt on the roads here as they do in other parts of the 
> country where there is less snow but where constant  thaw/freeze cycles and 
> humidity can create really slick conditions.  Beartooth doesn't even get 
> plowed in the winter.  So the worst of the corrosion-inducing elements is 
> also not a worry.
> 
> -  There was some sort of significant societal change in the last year or 
> two, and theft HAS become an issue where it never was before.  It's probably 
> still mostly crimes-of-opportunity rather than organized rackets though.  So 
> cable locks are probably good for most things other than remote trailheads, 
> but I agree with others:  Take your bikes in the hotel room at night, or at 
> least leave the car parked somewhere well-lit.  Also remember that relatively 
> few people realize what a Rivendell is, or recognize how good they are.  And 
> most who do are kindred spirits who are  by nature, less likely to commit 
> bike theft.  $7,000 carbon fiber and full suspension bikes are extremely 
> common out here, where there's a lot of disposable income, or recreation 
> priorities, or both - and THOSE are the bikes that thieves will target first.
> 
> So I say bring the bike you love, and make some memories.  Also, let us know 
> if you end up in Grand Teton or Jackson Hole.  We can steer you to some nice 
> family rides or maybe even join you.  (Also  my wife wants a Platypus and 
> would enjoy seeing yours, I bet.)
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 12:23:50 PM UTC-6 Yankeebird wrote:
>> Keep your vacation simple. 
>> Bring one bike. 
>> Bring the Clem. 
>> 
>> On a functional (not emotional) level-- it's 90% of the Platy, and maybe 
>> more in some other directions (such as off-road capability a smidge more, 
>> but can't remember what size tires your are running on either.) The Clem 
>> solves most all your problems for this trip, over what will be a relatively 
>> short period of time, without the emotional angst if something happens. It's 
>> one less complication.
>> 
>> I have the Cheviot and the Clem. The Cheviot is for riding in New 
>> England/Maritimes as a daily driver or on specific bike-oriented trips. The 
>> Clem for longer-distance travel/trips that are not bike oriented but I would 
>> like to have one with me. 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

Okay, I braved the heat and HUMIDITY and aired the front to 50 psi and the 
back to a little higher than that and the problem is solved.  The tire 
handles normally and I only hear the loud "tacky" rubber sound in a pretty 
significant lean.  

Now to put some miles on them and see how durable they are for me. 

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:

> Yes, I am running with tubes and the Dyad is at the lower end of RH's 
> recommended rim width, but I've seen Jan state several times that rim width 
> doesn't matter with supple tires, so I wasn't concerned about it.  The 
> narrower rim may require a higher pressure, like you and others have 
> suggested.  
>
> Also, the Antelope Hill is RH's road tread, although the thought has 
> passed thru my mind that maybe the knobby version wouldn't have this 
> issue.  
>
> One thing that strikes me (and surprises me) is that the Antelope Hill is 
> HUGE, even on a Dyad rim.  I've looked at tons of photos of Antelope Hills 
> and Snoqualmie Passes on bikes, to get an idea of their relative sizes, but 
> I'm used to tires measuring below their stated widths, sometimes by quite a 
> lot.   
>
> The RH tires do live up to their "low rolling resistance" reputation.  
> Man, they feel fast.  Also, my last tire was a 53 mm Nine Line knobby, 
> which was surprisingly fast for a big knobby, but in a really slow speed, 
> tight angle turn (which I do a lot of in my riding), I often felt like the 
> front tire/wheel was in the way and the bike was about to "trip" over them, 
> if that makes sense.  The Antelope Hill, although it's bigger, doesn't feel 
> that way and in fact, significantly reduced my tight turn radius.  I don't 
> know if that's an intertia thing due to lower overall weight, or something 
> else.  But I do like it. 
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 6:05:27 PM UTC-5 Saturday Mark wrote:
>
>> Thats a pretty fat tire for a Dyad. I would submit that your usage case 
>> is probably different than a lot here, so this is a bunch of speculating. 
>>
>> I assume you aren't running tubeless?
>> That narrow of a rim usually calls for higher tire pressure to prevent 
>> tire from rolling off.
>> The answer: (RH tires + your load * rim width subtracted from tubeless 
>> equation/riding surface+ knobs per sq inch = your ideal pressure)  
>> I have never heard anything but good reports on the RH knobbies, so I 
>> would think there is a sweet spot somewhere, where is Jan?
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I have Antelope Hills with the light casing on my Appaloosa, and haven't 
>>> noticed any steering oddities/problems. I run them at 25psi front 35psi 
>>> rear, but I only weigh ~145lbs. If you weigh 380, I'd suggest try raising 
>>> the pressure a bit - say 55psi.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matthew Williams]

Hunqapillar!
54cm
$1800
Seattle, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-hunqapillar/7336199001.html


Rambouillet
56cm
$1700
Seattle, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-riv-rambouillet/7336207947.html


Sam Hillborne
60cm
$2500
Saco, ME
https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/saco-2011-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7336063404.html

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

Yes, I am running with tubes and the Dyad is at the lower end of RH's 
recommended rim width, but I've seen Jan state several times that rim width 
doesn't matter with supple tires, so I wasn't concerned about it.  The 
narrower rim may require a higher pressure, like you and others have 
suggested.  

Also, the Antelope Hill is RH's road tread, although the thought has passed 
thru my mind that maybe the knobby version wouldn't have this issue.  

One thing that strikes me (and surprises me) is that the Antelope Hill is 
HUGE, even on a Dyad rim.  I've looked at tons of photos of Antelope Hills 
and Snoqualmie Passes on bikes, to get an idea of their relative sizes, but 
I'm used to tires measuring below their stated widths, sometimes by quite a 
lot.   

The RH tires do live up to their "low rolling resistance" reputation.  Man, 
they feel fast.  Also, my last tire was a 53 mm Nine Line knobby, which was 
surprisingly fast for a big knobby, but in a really slow speed, tight angle 
turn (which I do a lot of in my riding), I often felt like the front 
tire/wheel was in the way and the bike was about to "trip" over them, if 
that makes sense.  The Antelope Hill, although it's bigger, doesn't feel 
that way and in fact, significantly reduced my tight turn radius.  I don't 
know if that's an intertia thing due to lower overall weight, or something 
else.  But I do like it. 

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 6:05:27 PM UTC-5 Saturday Mark wrote:

> Thats a pretty fat tire for a Dyad. I would submit that your usage case is 
> probably different than a lot here, so this is a bunch of speculating. 
>
> I assume you aren't running tubeless?
> That narrow of a rim usually calls for higher tire pressure to prevent 
> tire from rolling off.
> The answer: (RH tires + your load * rim width subtracted from tubeless 
> equation/riding surface+ knobs per sq inch = your ideal pressure)  
> I have never heard anything but good reports on the RH knobbies, so I 
> would think there is a sweet spot somewhere, where is Jan?
>
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I have Antelope Hills with the light casing on my Appaloosa, and haven't 
>> noticed any steering oddities/problems. I run them at 25psi front 35psi 
>> rear, but I only weigh ~145lbs. If you weigh 380, I'd suggest try raising 
>> the pressure a bit - say 55psi.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Roberta]

(Continued). Ultimately, which decision will let you to sleep better?

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:29:20 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Leah,
>
> I know how much you love that bike. If you think you'll pine for it the 
> many weeks you'll be with your family,  if not having it will lessen your 
> enjoyment too much, then bring it.  If you think the Clem will keep you 
> “happy enough” I then bring it, instead, and leave your worries at home. 
>
> Overnight theft is probably the biggest risk, so take the bikes into the 
> room with you and your fears will be greatly reduced.  I've never left my 
> bikes on my rack overnight; they’ve always come into the room with me.  I 
> think just this peace of mind will be enough to help you make your 
> decision. 
>
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I think your biggest risk is leaving it on the rack overnight. U locks 
>> are easy to break. Take the bikes into the room, hassle though it may be. 
>> At least then you can admire them!
>>
>> My Bike Friday easily fits into my trunk, so I don't have these kinds of 
>> worries :)
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 2:08 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
>>> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
>>> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
>>> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
>>> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
>>> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
>>> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>>>
>>> But which ones? 
>>>
>>> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought 
>>> it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment 
>>> we were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
>>> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
>>> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
>>> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
>>> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
>>> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
>>> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
>>> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
>>> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
>>> into family garages…
>>>
>>> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
>>> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
>>> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
>>> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
>>> There’s only one. 
>>>
>>> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
>>> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
>>> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
>>> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
>>> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
>>> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
>>> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>>>
>>> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Roberta]

Leah,

I know how much you love that bike. If you think you'll pine for it the 
many weeks you'll be with your family,  if not having it will lessen your 
enjoyment too much, then bring it.  If you think the Clem will keep you 
“happy enough” I then bring it, instead, and leave your worries at home. 

Overnight theft is probably the biggest risk, so take the bikes into the 
room with you and your fears will be greatly reduced.  I've never left my 
bikes on my rack overnight; they’ve always come into the room with me.  I 
think just this peace of mind will be enough to help you make your 
decision. 

Roberta

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> I think your biggest risk is leaving it on the rack overnight. U locks are 
> easy to break. Take the bikes into the room, hassle though it may be. At 
> least then you can admire them!
>
> My Bike Friday easily fits into my trunk, so I don't have these kinds of 
> worries :)
>
> Eric
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 2:08 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
>> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
>> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
>> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
>> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
>> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
>> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>>
>> But which ones? 
>>
>> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought 
>> it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment 
>> we were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
>> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
>> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
>> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
>> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
>> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
>> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
>> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
>> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
>> into family garages…
>>
>> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
>> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
>> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
>> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
>> There’s only one. 
>>
>> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
>> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
>> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
>> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
>> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
>> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
>> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>>
>> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Saturday Mark]

Thats a pretty fat tire for a Dyad. I would submit that your usage case is 
probably different than a lot here, so this is a bunch of speculating. 

I assume you aren't running tubeless?
That narrow of a rim usually calls for higher tire pressure to prevent tire 
from rolling off.
The answer: (RH tires + your load * rim width subtracted from tubeless 
equation/riding surface+ knobs per sq inch = your ideal pressure)  
I have never heard anything but good reports on the RH knobbies, so I would 
think there is a sweet spot somewhere, where is Jan?


On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:

> I have Antelope Hills with the light casing on my Appaloosa, and haven't 
> noticed any steering oddities/problems. I run them at 25psi front 35psi 
> rear, but I only weigh ~145lbs. If you weigh 380, I'd suggest try raising 
> the pressure a bit - say 55psi.
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Nick Payne]

I have Antelope Hills with the light casing on my Appaloosa, and haven't 
noticed any steering oddities/problems. I run them at 25psi front 35psi 
rear, but I only weigh ~145lbs. If you weigh 380, I'd suggest try raising 
the pressure a bit - say 55psi.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[spencer robinson]

Chris, pump the tires up to max recommend psi…i bet the weld steer goes 
away…I think the guys at compass/Rene Hearse are like 130 - 150 lbs soakin 
wet…you will need a higher pressure to find the sweet spot. 
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 2:44:31 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> in the meantime, I'd bump the pressure up a little bit so it's not super 
> annoying!  But yeah, had similar experience with Rat Trap Pass EL's and 
> they're good now - still kinda loud for a slick, but more of a hum.  Oddly 
> my Babyshoe Pass are dead quiet 
>
> On Sunday, 13 June 2021 at 07:42:38 UTC-7 Geir Bentzen wrote:
>
>> I'm running the 700C x 44 Snoqualmie Pass Endurance on my 62 cm 
>> Hunqapillar now. Earlier I had a set of 38 mm Barlow Pass with the 
>> ultralight casing. I also have a set of 50 mm Schwalbe Marathon for it. And 
>> I have used one type and size of tire up front and a different in the back. 
>> I even had an old 35 mm cheap tire on in the front for a long ride once. 
>> They all worked fine on the bike, and I'm a heavy rider. But I do pump them 
>> up to between 50 and 60 psi and I have noticed issues when I simply don't 
>> care and continue riding the air pressure down to the 20s. Having ridden 
>> bikes for 55 years I believe I can claim that issues with steering are 
>> normal when the tire pressure is too low for your weight and may be 
>> expected with all tires. Even with good pressure up front and too low in 
>> the rear the bike will start to wander. Heavier people need more air 
>> pressure to keep the tires from deforming too much. I agree with the others 
>> here who advise you too experiment with the tire pressure and find your own 
>> personal level for whichever set of tires you happen to use. In general 
>> that goes for everything with a bike; make the bike feel good and work well 
>> for you and disregard all the norms of the day. Those will be different 
>> another day.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 6:53:30 AM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> This sounds exactly like what I'm experiencing, both in the wheel flop 
>>> and the sound volume when the tires are not going in a straight line.  
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing.  Knowing this may be the case makes it much easier 
>>> to stick with the tires long enough for the issue to resolve itself.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 9:59:52 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Interesting that this topic has come up. I have just put 300kms on some 
 Antelope Hills on a 57 Appaloosa. 
 When I first put them on I was dismayed at the wheel flop or 'self 
 steering'. I thought I had wasted a lot of money and was pretty bitter. I 
 have run them consistently at 30psi on road and gravel. I weigh 80kgs.

 Don't panic. Once the weird waxy coating on the new rubber wears off, 
 for me this was around 150kms in, the weird handling disappears. Seems 
 that 
 the tackiness of whatever this residue is imparts strange grip as the 
 tread 
 pattern transistions going into a turn.

 See how you go.

 On Sunday, 13 June 2021 at 05:12:29 UTC+8 Chris L wrote:

> I forgot to mention that I went with Endurance casing, which is the 
> same threads as the ultralight, but more densely packed.  
>
> When it cools down later today and then tomorrow morning, I'll play 
> with pressure extremes and see where that gets me. 
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>  You don’t mention which casing you purchased but the lighter weight 
>> sidewalls require more pressure than many tires with heavier casings. 
>> From your description, it sounds like your pressure is too low. 
>> I’ve had similar experiences when I have had a slow leak on a ride 
>> and could feel the handling change as the pressure dropped. 
>> At 380 pounds you might try raising the pressure a bit and lower it 
>> if the ride seems too harsh. 
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:36:23 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I feel that an opportunity to use the phrase high-falutin was missed 
>>> here. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
 Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
 If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds 
 Compass tires to their liking you know. With high cost comes high 
 expectations and even higher self-justifications. 
 On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:

> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims 
> and installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>
> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in 
> anything other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>
> Riding on a 3' 

[RBW] Sacramento S240 on June 28th

[Clark Fitzgerald]

You're invited for a Sacramento S24O campout at Beale's Point Campground on 
June 28th.

I'll be traveling with young children on a cargo bike. We'll be cruising at 
9-12 mph and stopping regularly for snacks, playgrounds and swimming in the 
American River and Lake Natoma.

If you want to ride with us you can meet us at Watt Avenue at 2pm headed 
east on the American River bike trail. Message me privately and we can 
coordinate better. Otherwise, just show up at the campground the evening of 
June 28th and look for bikes :) I'll look for a campsite with several tent 
spots so others can share the site.

If it's super hot, say over 100, then we'll postpone. I'll announce it in 
this thread.

Best,
Clark

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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Joe Bernard]

I'm in the Platy camp. I'm as precious about my bikes as anyone y'all know 
- to a fault that would drive Grant crazy - but he's right, his frames are 
outdoor equipment meant to be ridden on the cool roads you want to ride. 
Raspberry Metallic Platy for the North! 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:20:42 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> I'm with Yankeebird. Keep it simple and just bring one bike for yourself.
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:23:50 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Keep your vacation simple. 
>> Bring one bike. 
>> Bring the Clem. 
>>
>> On a functional (not emotional) level-- it's 90% of the Platy, and maybe 
>> more in some other directions (such as off-road capability a smidge more, 
>> but can't remember what size tires your are running on either.) The Clem 
>> solves most all your problems for this trip, over what will be a relatively 
>> short period of time, without the emotional angst if something happens. 
>> It's one less complication.
>>
>> I have the Cheviot and the Clem. The Cheviot is for riding in New 
>> England/Maritimes as a daily driver or on specific bike-oriented trips. The 
>> Clem for longer-distance travel/trips that are not bike oriented but I 
>> would like to have one with me. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Clark Fitzgerald]

I'm with Yankeebird. Keep it simple and just bring one bike for yourself.

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:23:50 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:

> Keep your vacation simple. 
> Bring one bike. 
> Bring the Clem. 
>
> On a functional (not emotional) level-- it's 90% of the Platy, and maybe 
> more in some other directions (such as off-road capability a smidge more, 
> but can't remember what size tires your are running on either.) The Clem 
> solves most all your problems for this trip, over what will be a relatively 
> short period of time, without the emotional angst if something happens. 
> It's one less complication.
>
> I have the Cheviot and the Clem. The Cheviot is for riding in New 
> England/Maritimes as a daily driver or on specific bike-oriented trips. The 
> Clem for longer-distance travel/trips that are not bike oriented but I 
> would like to have one with me. 
>

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[RBW] FS Burley Kazoo

[J Imler]

$80.00. Bay Area sale only. Includes discontinued Moose rack. I didn’t have 
any problems but do know Burley discontinued the Moose rack and offer a 
different one that works with the Kazoo now. There’s a newish 20” Schwalbe 
Big Apple on the wheel and if I remember I greased the bearings so it’s 
smooth.

PM for pics or more info. 

https://www.burley.com/product-category/family/trailercycles/

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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[iamkeith]

Leah,

Yellowstone/Beartooth/Wyoming/Montana is my home territory, so here are my 
thoughts to hopefully put your mind at ease:

-  Other than keeping your saddle covered, which is always a good idea, 
don't worry about summer snow storms.  What most people don't realize is 
that it's as arid here as it is in Vegas.  As soon as the snow/slush/rain 
passes (which will be quick), everything will dry quickly.  Rust is mostly 
a non-issue.  Rooftop racks are better than hitch racks if you MUST drive 
through the rain, because the bikes won't get road spray on them, but they 
get bug splats otherwise.  But the same truth usually holds:  pull over, 
take a break, and the roads will dry out in no time.  Another nice thing to 
know is that hey don't use as much salt on the roads here as they do in 
other parts of the country where there is less snow but where constant  
thaw/freeze cycles and humidity can create really slick conditions.  
Beartooth doesn't even get plowed in the winter.  So the worst of the 
corrosion-inducing elements is also not a worry.

-  There was some sort of significant societal change in the last year or 
two, and theft HAS become an issue where it never was before.  It's 
probably still mostly crimes-of-opportunity rather than organized rackets 
though.  So cable locks are probably good for most things other than remote 
trailheads, but I agree with others:  Take your bikes in the hotel room at 
night, or at least leave the car parked somewhere well-lit.  Also remember 
that relatively few people realize what a Rivendell is, or recognize how 
good they are.  And most who do are kindred spirits who are  by nature, 
less likely to commit bike theft.  $7,000 carbon fiber and full suspension 
bikes are extremely common out here, where there's a lot of disposable 
income, or recreation priorities, or both - and THOSE are the bikes that 
thieves will target first.

So I say bring the bike you love, and make some memories.  Also, let us 
know if you end up in Grand Teton or Jackson Hole.  We can steer you to 
some nice family rides or maybe even join you.  (Also  my wife wants a 
Platypus and would enjoy seeing yours, I bet.)
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 12:23:50 PM UTC-6 Yankeebird wrote:

> Keep your vacation simple. 
> Bring one bike. 
> Bring the Clem. 
>
> On a functional (not emotional) level-- it's 90% of the Platy, and maybe 
> more in some other directions (such as off-road capability a smidge more, 
> but can't remember what size tires your are running on either.) The Clem 
> solves most all your problems for this trip, over what will be a relatively 
> short period of time, without the emotional angst if something happens. 
> It's one less complication.
>
> I have the Cheviot and the Clem. The Cheviot is for riding in New 
> England/Maritimes as a daily driver or on specific bike-oriented trips. The 
> Clem for longer-distance travel/trips that are not bike oriented but I 
> would like to have one with me. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Jason Fuller]

in the meantime, I'd bump the pressure up a little bit so it's not super 
annoying!  But yeah, had similar experience with Rat Trap Pass EL's and 
they're good now - still kinda loud for a slick, but more of a hum.  Oddly 
my Babyshoe Pass are dead quiet 

On Sunday, 13 June 2021 at 07:42:38 UTC-7 Geir Bentzen wrote:

> I'm running the 700C x 44 Snoqualmie Pass Endurance on my 62 cm 
> Hunqapillar now. Earlier I had a set of 38 mm Barlow Pass with the 
> ultralight casing. I also have a set of 50 mm Schwalbe Marathon for it. And 
> I have used one type and size of tire up front and a different in the back. 
> I even had an old 35 mm cheap tire on in the front for a long ride once. 
> They all worked fine on the bike, and I'm a heavy rider. But I do pump them 
> up to between 50 and 60 psi and I have noticed issues when I simply don't 
> care and continue riding the air pressure down to the 20s. Having ridden 
> bikes for 55 years I believe I can claim that issues with steering are 
> normal when the tire pressure is too low for your weight and may be 
> expected with all tires. Even with good pressure up front and too low in 
> the rear the bike will start to wander. Heavier people need more air 
> pressure to keep the tires from deforming too much. I agree with the others 
> here who advise you too experiment with the tire pressure and find your own 
> personal level for whichever set of tires you happen to use. In general 
> that goes for everything with a bike; make the bike feel good and work well 
> for you and disregard all the norms of the day. Those will be different 
> another day.
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 6:53:30 AM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>
>> This sounds exactly like what I'm experiencing, both in the wheel flop 
>> and the sound volume when the tires are not going in a straight line.  
>>
>> Thanks for sharing.  Knowing this may be the case makes it much easier to 
>> stick with the tires long enough for the issue to resolve itself.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 9:59:52 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting that this topic has come up. I have just put 300kms on some 
>>> Antelope Hills on a 57 Appaloosa. 
>>> When I first put them on I was dismayed at the wheel flop or 'self 
>>> steering'. I thought I had wasted a lot of money and was pretty bitter. I 
>>> have run them consistently at 30psi on road and gravel. I weigh 80kgs.
>>>
>>> Don't panic. Once the weird waxy coating on the new rubber wears off, 
>>> for me this was around 150kms in, the weird handling disappears. Seems that 
>>> the tackiness of whatever this residue is imparts strange grip as the tread 
>>> pattern transistions going into a turn.
>>>
>>> See how you go.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 13 June 2021 at 05:12:29 UTC+8 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 I forgot to mention that I went with Endurance casing, which is the 
 same threads as the ultralight, but more densely packed.  

 When it cools down later today and then tomorrow morning, I'll play 
 with pressure extremes and see where that gets me. 

 On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> Chris,
>  You don’t mention which casing you purchased but the lighter weight 
> sidewalls require more pressure than many tires with heavier casings. 
> From your description, it sounds like your pressure is too low. 
> I’ve had similar experiences when I have had a slow leak on a ride and 
> could feel the handling change as the pressure dropped. 
> At 380 pounds you might try raising the pressure a bit and lower it if 
> the ride seems too harsh. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:36:23 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I feel that an opportunity to use the phrase high-falutin was missed 
>> here. 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
>>> Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
>>> If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds Compass 
>>> tires to their liking you know. With high cost comes high expectations 
>>> and 
>>> even higher self-justifications. 
>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims 
 and installed them on my Hunqapillar.  

 The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in 
 anything other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   

 Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar 
 results in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that 
 decreases as the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread 
 patterns  that may be more "grippy" to help in turns. 

 The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain 
 bike 

Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Yankeebird]

Keep your vacation simple. 
Bring one bike. 
Bring the Clem. 

On a functional (not emotional) level-- it's 90% of the Platy, and maybe 
more in some other directions (such as off-road capability a smidge more, 
but can't remember what size tires your are running on either.) The Clem 
solves most all your problems for this trip, over what will be a relatively 
short period of time, without the emotional angst if something happens. 
It's one less complication.

I have the Cheviot and the Clem. The Cheviot is for riding in New 
England/Maritimes as a daily driver or on specific bike-oriented trips. The 
Clem for longer-distance travel/trips that are not bike oriented but I 
would like to have one with me. 

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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[JAS]

Leah, I can't even imagine your angst if the Platy got stolen!  I'm with 
Eric...take it on the trip ONLY if you can secure it in your room at 
night.  Yes, it will be crowded and your family will think you're nuts 
(about that bike), but they already know that!

If I know I'm going to be traveling through a lot of rain, I remove the 
seat post, marking it well first so I can get it back to the perfect 
position.  I stuff a bit of plastic bag in the hole then cover it with the 
rest of the bag and secure it with a rubber band (wide broccoli type).  
Storing the saddle/seat post makes for one more thing to fit into the car 
and in your case 4 things, but you won't have to worry about ruining your 
leather saddles.

Have a fabulous trip!  Kids "running wild" is the best...all kids need 
that.  Enjoy your family!

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:18:22 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> I think your biggest risk is leaving it on the rack overnight. U locks are 
> easy to break. Take the bikes into the room, hassle though it may be. At 
> least then you can admire them!
>
> My Bike Friday easily fits into my trunk, so I don't have these kinds of 
> worries :)
>
> Eric
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 2:08 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
>> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
>> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
>> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
>> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
>> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
>> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>>
>> But which ones? 
>>
>> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought 
>> it would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment 
>> we were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
>> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
>> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
>> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
>> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
>> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
>> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
>> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
>> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
>> into family garages…
>>
>> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
>> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
>> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
>> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
>> There’s only one. 
>>
>> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
>> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
>> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
>> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
>> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
>> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
>> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>>
>> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Eric Daume]

I think your biggest risk is leaving it on the rack overnight. U locks are
easy to break. Take the bikes into the room, hassle though it may be. At
least then you can admire them!

My Bike Friday easily fits into my trunk, so I don't have these kinds of
worries :)

Eric

On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 2:08 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to
> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of
> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have
> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and
> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110
> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is,
> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>
> But which ones?
>
> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought it
> would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment we
> were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a
> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I
> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to
> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I
> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears
> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft
> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s
> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being
> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes
> into family garages…
>
> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever
> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to
> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But
> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced.
> There’s only one.
>
> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every
> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a
> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe
> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I
> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING
> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS
> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>
> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
> Thanks!
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Phone holder preferences

[Jeffrey Arita]

Quad Lock is our choice.  Combined with the QL case or the adhesive 
adapter, these things have been *Lock* steady (he he) over thousands of 
miles of cyclo-touring (off and on-road).  And no, we do not work for Quad 
Lock.

We realize it is pricey but one needs to keep in mind how valuable one's 
mobile phone is (beyond just the initial price).  One's mobile device 
serves so many purposes.

Good luck,

Jeff & Lori
Claremont, CA

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:27:17 AM UTC-7 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I have a Samsung Galaxy note which is a rather large phone. I am looking 
> for suggestion about handlebar holders you have tried and liked. 
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington, NJ
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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Geir Bentzen]

I'm running the 700C x 44 Snoqualmie Pass Endurance on my 62 cm Hunqapillar 
now. Earlier I had a set of 38 mm Barlow Pass with the ultralight casing. I 
also have a set of 50 mm Schwalbe Marathon for it. And I have used one type 
and size of tire up front and a different in the back. I even had an old 35 
mm cheap tire on in the front for a long ride once. They all worked fine on 
the bike, and I'm a heavy rider. But I do pump them up to between 50 and 60 
psi and I have noticed issues when I simply don't care and continue riding 
the air pressure down to the 20s. Having ridden bikes for 55 years I 
believe I can claim that issues with steering are normal when the tire 
pressure is too low for your weight and may be expected with all tires. 
Even with good pressure up front and too low in the rear the bike will 
start to wander. Heavier people need more air pressure to keep the tires 
from deforming too much. I agree with the others here who advise you too 
experiment with the tire pressure and find your own personal level for 
whichever set of tires you happen to use. In general that goes for 
everything with a bike; make the bike feel good and work well for you and 
disregard all the norms of the day. Those will be different another day.

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 6:53:30 AM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:

> This sounds exactly like what I'm experiencing, both in the wheel flop and 
> the sound volume when the tires are not going in a straight line.  
>
> Thanks for sharing.  Knowing this may be the case makes it much easier to 
> stick with the tires long enough for the issue to resolve itself.
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 9:59:52 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Interesting that this topic has come up. I have just put 300kms on some 
>> Antelope Hills on a 57 Appaloosa. 
>> When I first put them on I was dismayed at the wheel flop or 'self 
>> steering'. I thought I had wasted a lot of money and was pretty bitter. I 
>> have run them consistently at 30psi on road and gravel. I weigh 80kgs.
>>
>> Don't panic. Once the weird waxy coating on the new rubber wears off, for 
>> me this was around 150kms in, the weird handling disappears. Seems that the 
>> tackiness of whatever this residue is imparts strange grip as the tread 
>> pattern transistions going into a turn.
>>
>> See how you go.
>>
>> On Sunday, 13 June 2021 at 05:12:29 UTC+8 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot to mention that I went with Endurance casing, which is the same 
>>> threads as the ultralight, but more densely packed.  
>>>
>>> When it cools down later today and then tomorrow morning, I'll play with 
>>> pressure extremes and see where that gets me. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
 Chris,
  You don’t mention which casing you purchased but the lighter weight 
 sidewalls require more pressure than many tires with heavier casings. 
 From your description, it sounds like your pressure is too low. 
 I’ve had similar experiences when I have had a slow leak on a ride and 
 could feel the handling change as the pressure dropped. 
 At 380 pounds you might try raising the pressure a bit and lower it if 
 the ride seems too harsh. 

 Ray

 On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:36:23 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I feel that an opportunity to use the phrase high-falutin was missed 
> here. 
>
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
>> Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
>> If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds Compass 
>> tires to their liking you know. With high cost comes high expectations 
>> and 
>> even higher self-justifications. 
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims 
>>> and installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>>>
>>> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in 
>>> anything other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>>>
>>> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar 
>>> results in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that 
>>> decreases as the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread 
>>> patterns  that may be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>>>
>>> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain 
>>> bike with Repack geometry.  
>>>
>>> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where 
>>> I generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the 
>>> pressure 
>>> on the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>>>
>>> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and 
>>> never experienced self steering at any level.
>>>
>>>

[RBW] Phone holder preferences

[Robert Blunt]

Hello everyone,
I have a Samsung Galaxy note which is a rather large phone. I am looking
for suggestion about handlebar holders you have tried and liked.
Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Doug H.]

Leah,
I don't have an irreplaceable bike but I can empathize with this conundrum. 
You enjoy the Platy more than the Clem and I imagine would love to show the 
family its awesomeness. My bikes have never been custom or one of a kind 
but like the Marine's rifle..." This is my rifle (bicycle). There are many 
like it but this one is mine. My rifle(bicycle) is my best friend. It is my 
life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my 
rifle(bicycle) is useless. Without my rifle(bicycle) I am useless. ~Full 
Metal Jacket

I say take it on the trip. 
Doug

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 2:08:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
> our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
> the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
> the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
> in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
> I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 
>
> But which ones? 
>
> I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought it 
> would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment we 
> were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
> June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
> worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
> Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
> can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
> the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
> risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
> higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
> knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
> into family garages…
>
> The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
> behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
> bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
> if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
> There’s only one. 
>
> Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
> last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
> bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
> like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
> have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
> IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
> HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.
>
> Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

This sounds exactly like what I'm experiencing, both in the wheel flop and 
the sound volume when the tires are not going in a straight line.  

Thanks for sharing.  Knowing this may be the case makes it much easier to 
stick with the tires long enough for the issue to resolve itself.

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 9:59:52 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> Interesting that this topic has come up. I have just put 300kms on some 
> Antelope Hills on a 57 Appaloosa. 
> When I first put them on I was dismayed at the wheel flop or 'self 
> steering'. I thought I had wasted a lot of money and was pretty bitter. I 
> have run them consistently at 30psi on road and gravel. I weigh 80kgs.
>
> Don't panic. Once the weird waxy coating on the new rubber wears off, for 
> me this was around 150kms in, the weird handling disappears. Seems that the 
> tackiness of whatever this residue is imparts strange grip as the tread 
> pattern transistions going into a turn.
>
> See how you go.
>
> On Sunday, 13 June 2021 at 05:12:29 UTC+8 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I forgot to mention that I went with Endurance casing, which is the same 
>> threads as the ultralight, but more densely packed.  
>>
>> When it cools down later today and then tomorrow morning, I'll play with 
>> pressure extremes and see where that gets me. 
>>
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> Chris,
>>>  You don’t mention which casing you purchased but the lighter weight 
>>> sidewalls require more pressure than many tires with heavier casings. 
>>> From your description, it sounds like your pressure is too low. 
>>> I’ve had similar experiences when I have had a slow leak on a ride and 
>>> could feel the handling change as the pressure dropped. 
>>> At 380 pounds you might try raising the pressure a bit and lower it if 
>>> the ride seems too harsh. 
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:36:23 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I feel that an opportunity to use the phrase high-falutin was missed 
 here. 


 On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
> Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
> If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds Compass 
> tires to their liking you know. With high cost comes high expectations 
> and 
> even higher self-justifications. 
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims 
>> and installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>>
>> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
>> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>>
>> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar 
>> results in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that 
>> decreases as the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread 
>> patterns  that may be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>>
>> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain 
>> bike with Repack geometry.  
>>
>> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
>> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure 
>> on 
>> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>>
>> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and 
>> never experienced self steering at any level.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] All Rounder on ebay

[Steven Sweedler]

A certain  amount of relief that it was too small, very satisfied with my
present rotation of three bikes. Steve

On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 10:48 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> My first reaction was I SHOULD BUY THAT, then I remembered I have a custom
> and a Susie and this purchase would be silly. My next reaction was "that's
> a nice vintage Riv", which reminds me I've been following this company ever
> since 1994 and am now old enough that there is such a thing as vintage
> Rivs!
>
> Older Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 6:12:44 PM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> At other moments in my life, I’d be checking my bank accounts right after
>> clicking on that link.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 9:00 PM Steven Sweedler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nicely equipped AR
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/114848850767
>>>
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>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
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[RBW] Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Every summer I leave for five weeks or so. I drive across the country to 
our home states and spend that time with our families. Our kids get out of 
the desert and get to have lake life and grandma time and run wild. I have 
a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, and I can/might take my Clem, my Platypus and 
the boys’ Clems. We get a lot of riding done up North, and with temps 110 
in Vegas in the summer, I relish that riding time. Hassle though it is, 
I’ll bring our Rivendells. Four of them. 

But which ones? 

I can remember last year as we journeyed out of Yellowstone, we thought it 
would be great to take the Beartooth Highway out of the park. One moment we 
were enjoying views from the top of the world and the next, we were in a 
June snowstorm that barely allowed visibility 20 feet in front of us. I 
worried for my dyno hub, and also that we’d be rear-ended. When we got to 
Billings, those poor bikes suffered through the most torrential downpour I 
can ever remember driving through. My son’s Brooks B17 Select still bears 
the scars (yes, it had a Randi Jo saddle cover). And then there’s the theft 
risk (we u lock them to the rack overnight on our drive), and maybe it’s 
higher in the Bicycle Shortage of 2020 and 2021. Oh, and the risk of being 
knocked over by exuberant little nieces and nephews as we jam our bikes 
into family garages…

The struggle is this. I don’t want to leave my most favorite bike ever 
behind for 5 weeks. The Clem is just not the same, and though I plan to 
bring it, I would really, REALLY miss my Platy if I ONLY took the Clem. But 
if tragedy should befall me, the raspberry Platy can’t exactly be replaced. 
There’s only one. 

Should I just take my chances because high risk, high reward? Suck every 
last drop of joy out of it and stop worrying, because after all, it is a 
bike, and it’s meant to be ridden? Or should I protect it, keep it safe 
like Gollum and his Precious? Just ride the Clem and pine for the Platy? I 
have hand-wrung about this for weeks. I decide, IT WILL BE FINE JUST BRING 
IT and then back to JUST THINK OF HOW YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOUR PLATY GETS 
HURT OR STOLEN. We leave Friday and the pressure is mounting.

Who has an irreplaceable bike and can relate and would offer an opinion?
Thanks!
Leah

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