[RBW] Re: WTB Bosco moose 58 w/12 degree downslope

[Joe Bernard]

That's a good data point, Keith. The headtube is quite slack on my Susie 
and I had swapped a Bosco Bullmoose over from my custom. The angle change 
was noticeable. 



On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 10:24:31 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Not what you're asking for, but for what it's worth:
>
> I just traded a Clem H for a Susie Longbolts, moving my 58cm "normal" 
> bosco moose bar from the former to the later.  When I had the Clem, I too 
> searched for one of the rare, down-sloping Bosco bars, because I thought 
> I'd prefer it.  (Prior to the bull moose version, I had a normal, separate 
> bosco and did angle it more downward by quite a bit.)  However, on the 
> Susie  I feel content with the angle of the bars on the "normal" bull moose 
> version.  The head tube angle is just enough slacker as to add some helpful 
> slope.  And this is DESPITE the fact that the headtube/bars are higher than 
> I'd prefer on the susie.  I no longer feel like my hands want to slide 
> forward wnen going down a steep hill.
>
> So I'd suggest trying a normal one if you can even find it.  I'm not 
> entirely sure the bullmoose bars - of any shape or angle - will be easy to 
> come by in the future.
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 12:42:42 AM UTC-6 michae...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just recently acquired a Susie frame and having thought about handlebar 
>> choices, and having discovered that a downsloping 58cm bosco bullmoose bar 
>> was once sold and is out there,  I am inspired to ask ya'll if someone out 
>> there with this setup is willing to sell this particular cockpit. 
>>
>> I just joined the group a month or so ago and have been impressed with 
>> all the fantastic riv rants and fascinated that I can even make this 
>> request to a group of people that know what Im talking about, thank you!
>>
>> Mike Monti
>> Marin, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Bosco moose 58 w/12 degree downslope

[iamkeith]

Not what you're asking for, but for what it's worth:

I just traded a Clem H for a Susie Longbolts, moving my 58cm "normal" bosco 
moose bar from the former to the later.  When I had the Clem, I too 
searched for one of the rare, down-sloping Bosco bars, because I thought 
I'd prefer it.  (Prior to the bull moose version, I had a normal, separate 
bosco and did angle it more downward by quite a bit.)  However, on the 
Susie  I feel content with the angle of the bars on the "normal" bull moose 
version.  The head tube angle is just enough slacker as to add some helpful 
slope.  And this is DESPITE the fact that the headtube/bars are higher than 
I'd prefer on the susie.  I no longer feel like my hands want to slide 
forward wnen going down a steep hill.

So I'd suggest trying a normal one if you can even find it.  I'm not 
entirely sure the bullmoose bars - of any shape or angle - will be easy to 
come by in the future.

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 12:42:42 AM UTC-6 michae...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just recently acquired a Susie frame and having thought about handlebar 
> choices, and having discovered that a downsloping 58cm bosco bullmoose bar 
> was once sold and is out there,  I am inspired to ask ya'll if someone out 
> there with this setup is willing to sell this particular cockpit. 
>
> I just joined the group a month or so ago and have been impressed with all 
> the fantastic riv rants and fascinated that I can even make this request to 
> a group of people that know what Im talking about, thank you!
>
> Mike Monti
> Marin, CA
>

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[RBW] Where is this?

[Kushan]

Just came across an old Rivendell video of Betty Foy 
. Does anyone know where 
this is? I would guess somewhere in East Bay but can't put my finger on it. 

Thanks

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Re: [RBW] WTB Clem L

[Doug H.]

Have you asked Rivendell when they expect another shipment of L frames? I 
was thinking this fall maybe?
Doug

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:59:51 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:

> I saw that. Really hoping for an L. 
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:46:12 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Here’s a Clem H:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/wBULjcWuFBs
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 5:39 PM Andrew Huston  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> About once a year I check around to see if anyone has a Clem L (52) they 
>>> are looking to part with. I would require shipping to Michigan. I have a 
>>> Velo Orange Neutrino if there is any interest in a trade of some sort. 
>>> Thanks in advance.  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: "Regress to clips and straps" complete kit and more: Sidis, Superbe quills, more; $90 shipped CONUS

[Patrick Moore]

Yellow heel counters on the LGs. Magic Marker ...

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 6:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> * So they were sold to me. They're nice.
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 6:12 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Contents:
>> - 1 pr Suntour Superbe* quill pedals, no rust, inside dust shields loos.
>>
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[RBW] Re: "Regress to clips and straps" complete kit and more: Sidis, Superbe quills, more; $90 shipped CONUS

[Patrick Moore]

* So they were sold to me. They're nice.

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 6:12 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Contents:
> - 1 pr Suntour Superbe* quill pedals, no rust, inside dust shields loos.
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Re: [RBW] WTB Clem L

[Andrew Huston]

I saw that. Really hoping for an L. 

On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:46:12 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here’s a Clem H:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/wBULjcWuFBs
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 5:39 PM Andrew Huston  
> wrote:
>
>> About once a year I check around to see if anyone has a Clem L (52) they 
>> are looking to part with. I would require shipping to Michigan. I have a 
>> Velo Orange Neutrino if there is any interest in a trade of some sort. 
>> Thanks in advance.  
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Re: [RBW] H/Hilsen (Toyo) tire size

[Doug Williams]

Yes, sorry. I should have mentioned that my 56 Hilsen is 650B. The largest 
Hilsen that is 650B. Essentially a Saluki with a different paint job. But 
yes, I have run 42mm Babyshoe Pass tires  under the SKS fenders for years 
with zero issues. Of course, Mark at Rivendell installed the fenders, and 
he is a master. If I had put them on, they would probably rub everywhere.

Doug

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:14:16 PM UTC-7 Doug Williams wrote:

> I have a Waterford Hilsen in 56 and I run Babyshoe Pass 42's with fenders. 
> They are close but I have been running them for several years with no 
> issues.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 8:29:59 AM UTC-7 gpgun...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Gentlemen
>>
>> Much appreciate all the feedback. Confirming 42s with fenders will work 
>> answers my questions. 
>>
>> Dave...very nice looking H/H build you have there.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:08:44 PM UTC-4 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Toyo Homer 56 650B and I’m running Hetres and VO Zeppelin 
>>> fenders.
>>> Although not thinking to run anything bigger, there seems to be good 
>>> clearance.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>>>
>>> A... just before I posted this, I realized you have a 650B (which is 
>>> essentially a Saluki in 56). My comments below the line were for a 700C 
>>> Hilsen. I think you'll find any reference to Saluki clearances would be 
>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>> There is a thread here which chats a bit about Saluki v. Hilsen
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/5JKIpW9dQTA
>>>
>>> In that thread, you will find reference to a fendered Saluki with 42's. 
>>>
>>> -- 700C comments  
>>>
>>> I still run Jack Browns (bulky 33 1/3) on mine and there is gobs of 
>>> room. 
>>>
>>> On this page, you can see Pasela 37's and plenty of space to spare - 
>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html
>>>
>>> Original RR article introducing the 700C Hilsen stated clearance for 40 
>>> with fenders. (you'll find a hi-rez archived scan on that page as well).
>>>
>>> - J
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 6:20:31 PM UTC-7 gpgun...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
 Greetings
 Can anyone confirm or shed light on the largest tire size one can 
 safely ride on a Toyo H/Hilsen (56 650B) with fenders. I would like to 
 work 
 a 38-42 if possible and don't want to cut it too close for safety reasons. 
 Thanks much 
 Gunner  

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[RBW] Re: The Psychic Derailleur

[Christine Justice]

That's where I bought my Rivendell too! Truly the best bike shop in 
Indianapolis. He's incredibly knowledgeable, and I too watch his YouTube 
channel. 
Christine

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:40:55 PM UTC-6 antc...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is very timely for me since I just bought a 57 Appaloosa from Chris a 
> few days ago (possibly the last one available anywhere.) I'm a long time 
> Riv customer but this is my first Riv bike. Maybe we are seeing a cultural 
> change in how people use bikes in this country? We can only hope I guess. I 
> had no idea that Chris has a YouTube channel, I'm looking forward to seeing 
> what other ideas he has to share.
>
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:
>
>> I too subscribe to the Psychic Derailleur channel & find it fun & 
>> informative.  In a recent video he thanked his subscribers & said he thinks 
>> he has the nicest comments section on youtube.  He's big on practical 
>> cycling & reviews bags, bikes, etc.  Puts out a couple of videos a week, 
>> usually less than 10 minutes & he stays focused on the topic of the day.  
>> Great guy.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 9:22:07 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Wiggins has a bike shop in Indianapolis, website and a YouTube 
>>> channel, all with the name The Psychic Derailleur.  I'm a big fan of his 
>>> content and his message.  He is a Rivendell dealer and he puts out some 
>>> great content on his YouTube channel.  His latest video is titled "The Rise 
>>> of Rivendell?".  It is worth a look, as are the rest of the videos on his 
>>> channel, IMHO.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCwkCgKGnw
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 8" Ruthworks Ultralight rando bag + M12 rack + RA clips

[Andrew Turner]

Bag + rack have sold! 

On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 6:11:56 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Here are the pics 
>
> The bag is in fantastic shape, I've had it less than a year but my riding 
> has changed enough to where I won't be needing to carry this much with me. 
> Comes with the M12 canti rack + the light mount, as well as some handy 
> RaClips  already 
> sized for the rack...but it would probably also fit onto other nitto racks 
> as well. Package deal. 
>
> $220 for the loot including shipping (CONUS) 
>

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[RBW] Re: The Psychic Derailleur

[Anthony Coffin]

This is very timely for me since I just bought a 57 Appaloosa from Chris a 
few days ago (possibly the last one available anywhere.) I'm a long time 
Riv customer but this is my first Riv bike. Maybe we are seeing a cultural 
change in how people use bikes in this country? We can only hope I guess. I 
had no idea that Chris has a YouTube channel, I'm looking forward to seeing 
what other ideas he has to share.


On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> I too subscribe to the Psychic Derailleur channel & find it fun & 
> informative.  In a recent video he thanked his subscribers & said he thinks 
> he has the nicest comments section on youtube.  He's big on practical 
> cycling & reviews bags, bikes, etc.  Puts out a couple of videos a week, 
> usually less than 10 minutes & he stays focused on the topic of the day.  
> Great guy.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 9:22:07 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Chris Wiggins has a bike shop in Indianapolis, website and a YouTube 
>> channel, all with the name The Psychic Derailleur.  I'm a big fan of his 
>> content and his message.  He is a Rivendell dealer and he puts out some 
>> great content on his YouTube channel.  His latest video is titled "The Rise 
>> of Rivendell?".  It is worth a look, as are the rest of the videos on his 
>> channel, IMHO.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCwkCgKGnw
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you stand and pull with upright bars?

[Bones]

Agreed. Works well with Albatross, Billie, and Choco bars. In my 
experience, the lower and further away the bars are, the more effective it 
is. Bosco bars work as well but they have a lot more rise, so unless you 
keep them kinda low and angle them a good amount, it won't work as well.

Bones

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 3:20:48 PM UTC-4 A. Douglas M. wrote:

> Zack,
>
> I ride albatross bars with Avid MTB levers and thumbies. No problem 
> standing to climb or sprint. 
>
> I really like albatross bars. I might try Billie bars someday but I’m 
> cheap and albatross work so well I might not. 
>
> Mine are shimmed in a 26.0 tallux. No squeaks or issues. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-6 Erik Wright wrote:
>
>> Hey Zack,
>>
>> I ride with Albatross bars on my Hillborne. I also do a lot of city 
>> riding in Philly where just about every intersection has a stop sign. I 
>> stand & pull all the time from just about every hand position on the bar. 
>> In my opinion, it's fine. The one thing I'd say is to make sure you either 
>> use a 25.4 stem or get a shim for a 26.0 stem- the bars WILL scooch around 
>> with aggressive pulling.
>>
>> Erik, Philly
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:05:52 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Zack,
>>> I stand to climb even with a full load on my touring bike. Alabas are at 
>>> my bare minimum width for this, but body types vary. I transitioned to a 
>>> wider bar and enjoy it more than the albas on this bike. The bars are 
>>> generic chrome steel from a bike I bought long a go, but they just work. I 
>>> had the bike loaded up for a test run this week and climbed well for me 
>>> standing. When climbing or acellerating as you describe, I pull on the bars 
>>> and rock the bike. 
>>> Go for it.
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 2:49:48 AM UTC-4 zem...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've been interested in switching to albatross bars but one of my 
 concerns is that it'll be difficult to stand, pedal hard, and pull on the 
 bars. I do a lot of city riding, so being able to do this from a stop or 
 rolling stop is a key part of my riding. 

 I've watched Dan Stroud's (aka hobocross) video on how he sets up his 
 albas to have more of a "hoods" position, which seems like a natural 
 solution to this problem, but in his video he doesn't seem to stand and 
 pull a whole lot. 

 Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGokAt6XAi0=152s

 Anyone have thoughts/experience with this?

 Zack
 Toronto/DC

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Parts for a Build

[Doug H.]

I saw that posted but was hoping to find a regular B17 slightly used for
under $100. The Special is indeed really nice though with the copper rails
and rivets.
Doug

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 3:21 PM Bones  wrote:

> I've got a new-in-box black B17 Special collecting dust. PM if interested.
>
> Bones
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:20:40 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I seek a Microshift right thumbie for a 22.2 bar. Thanks for asking for
>> clarification Bill.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 10:59:31 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the OPs request for "Paul Thumbie mount".  There are three
>>> models: Shimano/SRAM/Microshift, two clamp diameters, and they come in left
>>> and right.  So I think that makes 18 different combinations.  Which of
>>> those 18 possible combos do you seek?  I can sell you a LEFT, Shimano,
>>> 31.8mm, if that happens to be the combination you seek.  I would sell it
>>> for half-MSRP ($30), plus shipping.  If you want to clamp to the sleeved
>>> part of a 26.0mm handlebar, I could also sell you the perfect shimset to
>>> enable that.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:44:16 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Sorry for another WTB post but my parts acquisition is nearing an end
 with a few more needed. If you have any of the following please reach out:

 Paul Thumbie mount: black preferred
 Brooks B17 antique brown or black
 Ergon cork grips new or slightly used
 Brass bell
 Blue or black headset spacers (one inch)
 Front rack
 Crank bolt wrench

 Thanks to all who have reached out and/or sold parts for my build.
 Doug
 Athens, Ga

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Parts for a Build

[Bones]

I've got a new-in-box black B17 Special collecting dust. PM if interested.

Bones

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:20:40 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I seek a Microshift right thumbie for a 22.2 bar. Thanks for asking for 
> clarification Bill.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 10:59:31 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Regarding the OPs request for "Paul Thumbie mount".  There are three 
>> models: Shimano/SRAM/Microshift, two clamp diameters, and they come in left 
>> and right.  So I think that makes 18 different combinations.  Which of 
>> those 18 possible combos do you seek?  I can sell you a LEFT, Shimano, 
>> 31.8mm, if that happens to be the combination you seek.  I would sell it 
>> for half-MSRP ($30), plus shipping.  If you want to clamp to the sleeved 
>> part of a 26.0mm handlebar, I could also sell you the perfect shimset to 
>> enable that.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:44:16 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for another WTB post but my parts acquisition is nearing an end 
>>> with a few more needed. If you have any of the following please reach out:
>>>
>>> Paul Thumbie mount: black preferred
>>> Brooks B17 antique brown or black
>>> Ergon cork grips new or slightly used
>>> Brass bell
>>> Blue or black headset spacers (one inch)
>>> Front rack
>>> Crank bolt wrench
>>>
>>> Thanks to all who have reached out and/or sold parts for my build.
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Do you stand and pull with upright bars?

[A. Douglas M.]

Zack,

I ride albatross bars with Avid MTB levers and thumbies. No problem 
standing to climb or sprint. 

I really like albatross bars. I might try Billie bars someday but I’m cheap 
and albatross work so well I might not. 

Mine are shimmed in a 26.0 tallux. No squeaks or issues. 

Best,

Aaron in El Paso

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-6 Erik Wright wrote:

> Hey Zack,
>
> I ride with Albatross bars on my Hillborne. I also do a lot of city riding 
> in Philly where just about every intersection has a stop sign. I stand & 
> pull all the time from just about every hand position on the bar. In my 
> opinion, it's fine. The one thing I'd say is to make sure you either use a 
> 25.4 stem or get a shim for a 26.0 stem- the bars WILL scooch around with 
> aggressive pulling.
>
> Erik, Philly
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:05:52 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi Zack,
>> I stand to climb even with a full load on my touring bike. Alabas are at 
>> my bare minimum width for this, but body types vary. I transitioned to a 
>> wider bar and enjoy it more than the albas on this bike. The bars are 
>> generic chrome steel from a bike I bought long a go, but they just work. I 
>> had the bike loaded up for a test run this week and climbed well for me 
>> standing. When climbing or acellerating as you describe, I pull on the bars 
>> and rock the bike. 
>> Go for it.
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 2:49:48 AM UTC-4 zem...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've been interested in switching to albatross bars but one of my 
>>> concerns is that it'll be difficult to stand, pedal hard, and pull on the 
>>> bars. I do a lot of city riding, so being able to do this from a stop or 
>>> rolling stop is a key part of my riding. 
>>>
>>> I've watched Dan Stroud's (aka hobocross) video on how he sets up his 
>>> albas to have more of a "hoods" position, which seems like a natural 
>>> solution to this problem, but in his video he doesn't seem to stand and 
>>> pull a whole lot. 
>>>
>>> Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGokAt6XAi0=152s
>>>
>>> Anyone have thoughts/experience with this?
>>>
>>> Zack
>>> Toronto/DC
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Joe Shoemaker Music]

Thanks, this is in south Napa. Beautiful riding everywhere you turn around 
here
On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 9:17:17 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Nice! Whereabout is that--Napa, Alviso, or points beyond?
>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

[E. Ricky Creek]

It is time for me to fess up as to how many Riv's were (until recently) in 
my garage: 7. I ride a Waterford Atlantis, a Waterford Hillborne (rare 
canti/double TT 56cm), a Simpleone, and I recently sold a Gomez and a Clem 
H. My wife rides a Cheviot and an Appaloosa (both are in my size range). I 
rode the Clem H for 5-6 years and every time I rode it I thought "I just 
don't love this bike, but it is the bike I ride the most (commuter)." I 
ride a 58cm traditionally sized bike and found the 52 Clem H just never fit 
right (too small). The 60cm Yves Gomez was too big and never felt 
comfortable. Much like you my dream bike (since 2004) was the Atlantis. 
I've had mine for 4 years. If I only could keep one bike, it would be the 
Atlantis. I am not as fond of the long chainstays as others here are, but I 
have ridden them and didn't think they are bad, but I prefer the ride of my 
Hillborne and Atlantis (and sometimes when my knees are feeling okay the 
Simpleone). If you are into bikes and dream of different bikes and spent 
crazy amounts of time looking at bikes (and parts!), thinking that X bike 
will complete your bike quest, then buying your dream bike now may not 
truly satisfy your hunger. I bought, rode, sold, traded, gave away many 
bikes on my journey to my current stable, which is perfect for me. But if 
I'd started way back in 2003 (when I got into riding as an "adult") with 
this bunch of bikes I likely wouldn't feel the way about them as I do now. 
I don't know what the answer is for you, nor does anyone, really, but you 
can't go wrong with any bike that fits you and you enjoy riding. Plus if 
you score a Clem on this list, it will still be worth what you paid in a 
year (maybe more?!), and folks on this list are always up for a "new" bike. 

That was long winded and didn't answer your question. The Clem H rode slow 
and fat for me (as I am slow and fat), and it didn't fit me right because 
of the huge gap between sizes. The Atlantis (original style) rides much 
more like a traditional touring bike (stable, easy handling), which I 
prefer. I rode a LHT for years and the Atlantis rides more similar, though 
much better, that that. The bikes were set up with upright bars (though the 
Atlantis now has wide drops, which I prefer). 

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> Max:
>
> I have a 58 cm 2003 Atlantis that has seen extensive use in all the 
> categories Jim mentioned and agree with his evaluations.  I have fitted 50 
> mm tires to it but chosen to run 40 mm as my optimal size.  The bike is 
> amazingly versatile & came with drop bars which were fine for years until 
> the penny dropped & I went upright for even more comfort.  I've used 
> several kinds of racks on it, both for light around town use & fully loaded 
> touring.  It handles everything with style.  
>
> I've never ridden a Clem so obviously I'm highly biased in this but if the 
> Atlantis is your dream bike, go for it.  A frequent comment from list 
> members who've sold an Atlantis is "I wish I hadn't done that".  
>
> Used ones pop up here from time to time, usually in the common frame 
> sizes.  While there is nothing like a brand new bike (I still remember 
> pulling mine out of the shipping box), a used Atlantis is still a great 
> bike.  It's not as if steel frames wear out.  Besides, if the Atlantis is 
> your dream bike & you pass on it, you will always wonder "...what if?...".  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 10:30:09 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback Jimmy!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:37:29 AM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I’m an Atlantis owner and a family member of a Clem owner, which I have 
>>> ridden. Disclaimer: that Clem is 2 cm above my ideal size.
>>>
>>> If it were me, I’d save up and get an Atlantis, especially if pre-owned. 
>>> A used one probably has less tire room, but still has a lot of tire room, 
>>> and the newest ones, according to the Riv site fit 2.4”, which I think 
>>> matches the Clem. And it rides better, more efficient. It’s all around a 
>>> more versatile bike if you’re looking for a do-all with road-riding in mind 
>>> as well as trails.
>>>
>>> And even if you find one of the oldest models (mine’s generation 1 from 
>>> 2000) the tire clearance will still be close to 2”. And the tire room only 
>>> got better as the model evolved from 2000 to now.
>>>
>>> I’ve used my Atlantis for every kind of riding I enjoy (which does not 
>>> include steep downhill fast rocky mountain biking!)
>>>
>>> Touring - amazing
>>> Dirt road bike packing - amazing
>>> Commuting - amazing
>>> Cross country mountain biking and dirt climbing - amazing
>>> Drop bar road riding - very good
>>>
>>> - Jimmy W.
>>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:33 AM, max.c@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all, I am a wannabe Riv owner. One day, when the mood of my wife and 
>>> bank account align...at least that's my hope. 
>>>
>>> I browse a 

[RBW] Re: The Psychic Derailleur

[dougP]

I too subscribe to the Psychic Derailleur channel & find it fun & 
informative.  In a recent video he thanked his subscribers & said he thinks 
he has the nicest comments section on youtube.  He's big on practical 
cycling & reviews bags, bikes, etc.  Puts out a couple of videos a week, 
usually less than 10 minutes & he stays focused on the topic of the day.  
Great guy.  

dougP

On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 9:22:07 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Chris Wiggins has a bike shop in Indianapolis, website and a YouTube 
> channel, all with the name The Psychic Derailleur.  I'm a big fan of his 
> content and his message.  He is a Rivendell dealer and he puts out some 
> great content on his YouTube channel.  His latest video is titled "The Rise 
> of Rivendell?".  It is worth a look, as are the rest of the videos on his 
> channel, IMHO.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCwkCgKGnw
>
>  
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Re: [RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

[dougP]

Max:

I have a 58 cm 2003 Atlantis that has seen extensive use in all the 
categories Jim mentioned and agree with his evaluations.  I have fitted 50 
mm tires to it but chosen to run 40 mm as my optimal size.  The bike is 
amazingly versatile & came with drop bars which were fine for years until 
the penny dropped & I went upright for even more comfort.  I've used 
several kinds of racks on it, both for light around town use & fully loaded 
touring.  It handles everything with style.  

I've never ridden a Clem so obviously I'm highly biased in this but if the 
Atlantis is your dream bike, go for it.  A frequent comment from list 
members who've sold an Atlantis is "I wish I hadn't done that".  

Used ones pop up here from time to time, usually in the common frame 
sizes.  While there is nothing like a brand new bike (I still remember 
pulling mine out of the shipping box), a used Atlantis is still a great 
bike.  It's not as if steel frames wear out.  Besides, if the Atlantis is 
your dream bike & you pass on it, you will always wonder "...what if?...".  

dougP

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 10:30:09 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback Jimmy!
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:37:29 AM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
>>
>> I’m an Atlantis owner and a family member of a Clem owner, which I have 
>> ridden. Disclaimer: that Clem is 2 cm above my ideal size.
>>
>> If it were me, I’d save up and get an Atlantis, especially if pre-owned. 
>> A used one probably has less tire room, but still has a lot of tire room, 
>> and the newest ones, according to the Riv site fit 2.4”, which I think 
>> matches the Clem. And it rides better, more efficient. It’s all around a 
>> more versatile bike if you’re looking for a do-all with road-riding in mind 
>> as well as trails.
>>
>> And even if you find one of the oldest models (mine’s generation 1 from 
>> 2000) the tire clearance will still be close to 2”. And the tire room only 
>> got better as the model evolved from 2000 to now.
>>
>> I’ve used my Atlantis for every kind of riding I enjoy (which does not 
>> include steep downhill fast rocky mountain biking!)
>>
>> Touring - amazing
>> Dirt road bike packing - amazing
>> Commuting - amazing
>> Cross country mountain biking and dirt climbing - amazing
>> Drop bar road riding - very good
>>
>> - Jimmy W.
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:33 AM, max.c@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all, I am a wannabe Riv owner. One day, when the mood of my wife and 
>> bank account align...at least that's my hope. 
>>
>> I browse a lot of used listings and sometimes will see a deal pop up that 
>> I'm interested in, but feel like I don't have enough info to confidently 
>> purchase. Looking for some insight especially from those who have ridden 
>> multiple Riv models.
>>
>> I have a special nostalgia for the Rivendell Atlantis -- the color, the 
>> geometry; it just seems like my dream bike and I don't have a 
>> justification. The price is steep, though. I have been curious what the 
>> difference in ride quality is when compared with the Clem H, as that's more 
>> in my price range and I see used ones come up for sale much more 
>> frequently. Obviously it's a different look and I'm missing lugs, etc, but 
>> it does have those crazy long stays. What's the difference in ride quality? 
>> Especially if I'm riding upright.
>>
>> A couple of notes: I live in very flat Dallas, I primarily use my bike as 
>> a commuter (towing my HappiSack) with a 10 mile radius but would also like 
>> to do some light touring. My preferred set up is riding upright.
>>
>> If anyone else would care to weigh in with a comparison between the ride 
>> quality of the Atlantis and other Riv models, I'd be interested in those 
>> too! Just trying to arm myself with information in a market where I often 
>> am shopping online and unable to try before I buy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Max
>>
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[RBW] Re: Do you stand and pull with upright bars?

[Erik Wright]

Hey Zack,

I ride with Albatross bars on my Hillborne. I also do a lot of city riding 
in Philly where just about every intersection has a stop sign. I stand & 
pull all the time from just about every hand position on the bar. In my 
opinion, it's fine. The one thing I'd say is to make sure you either use a 
25.4 stem or get a shim for a 26.0 stem- the bars WILL scooch around with 
aggressive pulling.

Erik, Philly
On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:05:52 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi Zack,
> I stand to climb even with a full load on my touring bike. Alabas are at 
> my bare minimum width for this, but body types vary. I transitioned to a 
> wider bar and enjoy it more than the albas on this bike. The bars are 
> generic chrome steel from a bike I bought long a go, but they just work. I 
> had the bike loaded up for a test run this week and climbed well for me 
> standing. When climbing or acellerating as you describe, I pull on the bars 
> and rock the bike. 
> Go for it.
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 2:49:48 AM UTC-4 zem...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've been interested in switching to albatross bars but one of my 
>> concerns is that it'll be difficult to stand, pedal hard, and pull on the 
>> bars. I do a lot of city riding, so being able to do this from a stop or 
>> rolling stop is a key part of my riding. 
>>
>> I've watched Dan Stroud's (aka hobocross) video on how he sets up his 
>> albas to have more of a "hoods" position, which seems like a natural 
>> solution to this problem, but in his video he doesn't seem to stand and 
>> pull a whole lot. 
>>
>> Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGokAt6XAi0=152s
>>
>> Anyone have thoughts/experience with this?
>>
>> Zack
>> Toronto/DC
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

[max.c....@gmail.com]

Thanks for the feedback Jimmy!

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:37:29 AM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:

>
> I’m an Atlantis owner and a family member of a Clem owner, which I have 
> ridden. Disclaimer: that Clem is 2 cm above my ideal size.
>
> If it were me, I’d save up and get an Atlantis, especially if pre-owned. A 
> used one probably has less tire room, but still has a lot of tire room, and 
> the newest ones, according to the Riv site fit 2.4”, which I think matches 
> the Clem. And it rides better, more efficient. It’s all around a more 
> versatile bike if you’re looking for a do-all with road-riding in mind as 
> well as trails.
>
> And even if you find one of the oldest models (mine’s generation 1 from 
> 2000) the tire clearance will still be close to 2”. And the tire room only 
> got better as the model evolved from 2000 to now.
>
> I’ve used my Atlantis for every kind of riding I enjoy (which does not 
> include steep downhill fast rocky mountain biking!)
>
> Touring - amazing
> Dirt road bike packing - amazing
> Commuting - amazing
> Cross country mountain biking and dirt climbing - amazing
> Drop bar road riding - very good
>
> - Jimmy W.
>
> On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:33 AM, max.c@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Hey all, I am a wannabe Riv owner. One day, when the mood of my wife and 
> bank account align...at least that's my hope. 
>
> I browse a lot of used listings and sometimes will see a deal pop up that 
> I'm interested in, but feel like I don't have enough info to confidently 
> purchase. Looking for some insight especially from those who have ridden 
> multiple Riv models.
>
> I have a special nostalgia for the Rivendell Atlantis -- the color, the 
> geometry; it just seems like my dream bike and I don't have a 
> justification. The price is steep, though. I have been curious what the 
> difference in ride quality is when compared with the Clem H, as that's more 
> in my price range and I see used ones come up for sale much more 
> frequently. Obviously it's a different look and I'm missing lugs, etc, but 
> it does have those crazy long stays. What's the difference in ride quality? 
> Especially if I'm riding upright.
>
> A couple of notes: I live in very flat Dallas, I primarily use my bike as 
> a commuter (towing my HappiSack) with a 10 mile radius but would also like 
> to do some light touring. My preferred set up is riding upright.
>
> If anyone else would care to weigh in with a comparison between the ride 
> quality of the Atlantis and other Riv models, I'd be interested in those 
> too! Just trying to arm myself with information in a market where I often 
> am shopping online and unable to try before I buy.
>
> Thanks,
> Max
>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

[James Warren]

I’m an Atlantis owner and a family member of a Clem owner, which I have ridden. 
Disclaimer: that Clem is 2 cm above my ideal size.

If it were me, I’d save up and get an Atlantis, especially if pre-owned. A used 
one probably has less tire room, but still has a lot of tire room, and the 
newest ones, according to the Riv site fit 2.4”, which I think matches the 
Clem. And it rides better, more efficient. It’s all around a more versatile 
bike if you’re looking for a do-all with road-riding in mind as well as trails.

And even if you find one of the oldest models (mine’s generation 1 from 2000) 
the tire clearance will still be close to 2”. And the tire room only got better 
as the model evolved from 2000 to now.

I’ve used my Atlantis for every kind of riding I enjoy (which does not include 
steep downhill fast rocky mountain biking!)

Touring - amazing
Dirt road bike packing - amazing
Commuting - amazing
Cross country mountain biking and dirt climbing - amazing
Drop bar road riding - very good

- Jimmy W.

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:33 AM, max.c@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey all, I am a wannabe Riv owner. One day, when the mood of my wife and bank 
> account align...at least that's my hope. 
> 
> I browse a lot of used listings and sometimes will see a deal pop up that I'm 
> interested in, but feel like I don't have enough info to confidently 
> purchase. Looking for some insight especially from those who have ridden 
> multiple Riv models.
> 
> I have a special nostalgia for the Rivendell Atlantis -- the color, the 
> geometry; it just seems like my dream bike and I don't have a justification. 
> The price is steep, though. I have been curious what the difference in ride 
> quality is when compared with the Clem H, as that's more in my price range 
> and I see used ones come up for sale much more frequently. Obviously it's a 
> different look and I'm missing lugs, etc, but it does have those crazy long 
> stays. What's the difference in ride quality? Especially if I'm riding 
> upright.
> 
> A couple of notes: I live in very flat Dallas, I primarily use my bike as a 
> commuter (towing my HappiSack) with a 10 mile radius but would also like to 
> do some light touring. My preferred set up is riding upright.
> 
> If anyone else would care to weigh in with a comparison between the ride 
> quality of the Atlantis and other Riv models, I'd be interested in those too! 
> Just trying to arm myself with information in a market where I often am 
> shopping online and unable to try before I buy.
> 
> Thanks,
> Max
> 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Parts for a Build

[Doug H.]

I seek a Microshift right thumbie for a 22.2 bar. Thanks for asking for 
clarification Bill.
Doug

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 10:59:31 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Regarding the OPs request for "Paul Thumbie mount".  There are three 
> models: Shimano/SRAM/Microshift, two clamp diameters, and they come in left 
> and right.  So I think that makes 18 different combinations.  Which of 
> those 18 possible combos do you seek?  I can sell you a LEFT, Shimano, 
> 31.8mm, if that happens to be the combination you seek.  I would sell it 
> for half-MSRP ($30), plus shipping.  If you want to clamp to the sleeved 
> part of a 26.0mm handlebar, I could also sell you the perfect shimset to 
> enable that.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:44:16 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Sorry for another WTB post but my parts acquisition is nearing an end 
>> with a few more needed. If you have any of the following please reach out:
>>
>> Paul Thumbie mount: black preferred
>> Brooks B17 antique brown or black
>> Ergon cork grips new or slightly used
>> Brass bell
>> Blue or black headset spacers (one inch)
>> Front rack
>> Crank bolt wrench
>>
>> Thanks to all who have reached out and/or sold parts for my build.
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Parts for a Build

[Bill Lindsay]

Regarding the OPs request for "Paul Thumbie mount".  There are three 
models: Shimano/SRAM/Microshift, two clamp diameters, and they come in left 
and right.  So I think that makes 18 different combinations.  Which of 
those 18 possible combos do you seek?  I can sell you a LEFT, Shimano, 
31.8mm, if that happens to be the combination you seek.  I would sell it 
for half-MSRP ($30), plus shipping.  If you want to clamp to the sleeved 
part of a 26.0mm handlebar, I could also sell you the perfect shimset to 
enable that.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:44:16 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Sorry for another WTB post but my parts acquisition is nearing an end with 
> a few more needed. If you have any of the following please reach out:
>
> Paul Thumbie mount: black preferred
> Brooks B17 antique brown or black
> Ergon cork grips new or slightly used
> Brass bell
> Blue or black headset spacers (one inch)
> Front rack
> Crank bolt wrench
>
> Thanks to all who have reached out and/or sold parts for my build.
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
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[RBW] WTB: Parts for a Build

[Doug H.]

Sorry for another WTB post but my parts acquisition is nearing an end with 
a few more needed. If you have any of the following please reach out:

Paul Thumbie mount: black preferred
Brooks B17 antique brown or black
Ergon cork grips new or slightly used
Brass bell
Blue or black headset spacers (one inch)
Front rack
Crank bolt wrench

Thanks to all who have reached out and/or sold parts for my build.
Doug
Athens, Ga

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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Steven Sweedler]

Johnny, mine was designed as a custom, definitely not a prototype
Steve

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 9:13 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

>
> I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s w/cantis.
>> This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Team,
>>>
>>> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype
>>> Rivendell
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>>>
>>> SN M1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Adrian the Aussie
>>>
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[RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

[max.c....@gmail.com]

Hey all, I am a wannabe Riv owner. One day, when the mood of my wife and 
bank account align...at least that's my hope. 

I browse a lot of used listings and sometimes will see a deal pop up that 
I'm interested in, but feel like I don't have enough info to confidently 
purchase. Looking for some insight especially from those who have ridden 
multiple Riv models.

I have a special nostalgia for the Rivendell Atlantis -- the color, the 
geometry; it just seems like my dream bike and I don't have a 
justification. The price is steep, though. I have been curious what the 
difference in ride quality is when compared with the Clem H, as that's more 
in my price range and I see used ones come up for sale much more 
frequently. Obviously it's a different look and I'm missing lugs, etc, but 
it does have those crazy long stays. What's the difference in ride quality? 
Especially if I'm riding upright.

A couple of notes: I live in very flat Dallas, I primarily use my bike as a 
commuter (towing my HappiSack) with a 10 mile radius but would also like to 
do some light touring. My preferred set up is riding upright.

If anyone else would care to weigh in with a comparison between the ride 
quality of the Atlantis and other Riv models, I'd be interested in those 
too! Just trying to arm myself with information in a market where I often 
am shopping online and unable to try before I buy.

Thanks,
Max

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[RBW] Re: Large Platypus Test Ride - Southern California

[Philip Barrett]

Gushing recommendation here. Not sure you'd find one used as most people 
completed their builds less than 2 months ago & I've heard no regrets, in 
fact nothing but love.
On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:49:47 AM UTC+1 sfjen...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> I'm interested in ordering a Platypus on a future build (or buying used) 
> but would love to find one to test ride more local to me.  I'm in San 
> Diego.  Anyone willing or with ideas?
>
> Or just gushing recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Johnny Alien]

I always thought Rivendell marked their prototypes as Protovelo
On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:14:13 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s w/cantis. 
> This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub...@hotmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Team,
>>
>> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype 
>> Rivendell 
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>>
>> SN M1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Adrian the Aussie
>>
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[RBW] Re: Do you stand and pull with upright bars?

[Tom Palmer]

Hi Zack,
I stand to climb even with a full load on my touring bike. Alabas are at my 
bare minimum width for this, but body types vary. I transitioned to a wider 
bar and enjoy it more than the albas on this bike. The bars are generic 
chrome steel from a bike I bought long a go, but they just work. I had the 
bike loaded up for a test run this week and climbed well for me standing. 
When climbing or acellerating as you describe, I pull on the bars and rock 
the bike. 
Go for it.
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 2:49:48 AM UTC-4 zem...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've been interested in switching to albatross bars but one of my concerns 
> is that it'll be difficult to stand, pedal hard, and pull on the bars. I do 
> a lot of city riding, so being able to do this from a stop or rolling stop 
> is a key part of my riding. 
>
> I've watched Dan Stroud's (aka hobocross) video on how he sets up his 
> albas to have more of a "hoods" position, which seems like a natural 
> solution to this problem, but in his video he doesn't seem to stand and 
> pull a whole lot. 
>
> Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGokAt6XAi0=152s
>
> Anyone have thoughts/experience with this?
>
> Zack
> Toronto/DC
>

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Re: [RBW] Interesting Riv

[Steven Sweedler]

I had a similar Road Custom that was designed around 700 x 28s w/cantis.
This was before longer reach dual pivots were introduced. Steve

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:49 AM dub_...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype Rivendell
>
> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>
> SN M1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Adrian the Aussie
>
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[RBW] Re: Do you stand and pull with upright bars?

[Garth]

Zack, your ability to ride is inherent in you.  The how comes as it's 
called upon. 

When I first tried setting up Albatross bars with mtb levers I knew right 
away that they were not what I envisioned as no matter where I placed the 
levers were in the way. Deflating for a moment .. then like a light 
bulb being lit .. "*bar end brake levers" *arose within. I replied 
. *Bar end brake levers. as in reverse time trial levers *? "*YES ! 
"  *

I already knew I was going to use Suntour Thumb shifters and the best place 
for me was just inside of curve of the bar. I got some Tektro RX 4.1 brake 
levers and covered the bars with padded synthetic cork bar wrap. Now I was 
free to use the bar from the top of the curve to the end, and like the 
video you posted, my hands are most frequently in the middle to upper of 
the straight portion. On hills/standing I move towards the top at the curve 
if needed, but the middle to upper straight is usually what feels best. 
Braking is a breeze from the middle with just 2 small fingers. I rarely if 
ever ride at the very end of the bar, where a mtb grip would have one be. I 
stand while riding very frequently. I can ride up a hill standing the whole 
way if I wish, it feels entirely natural. Again, this comes down to each 
riders own sensibilities. I've always liked standing while riding. Other 
people always sit and never stand. Everyone has their own inherent sweet 
spots. 

When I hear people disliking a bar it usually has to do with how their 
entire "cockpit" is set up and whether or not it really works for them. For 
example, if I bought a complete bike from Riv setup the way they do I'd 
surely dislike it. So if I gave it a negative review, what I'd really be 
commenting on not the bike itself, but a sense of being out of tune with 
that particular way of the bike. I wouldn't feel that way unless I 
inherently knew "how to play" the tune inherent within. 

Such is the awesomeness of Life, no two tunes are ever alike, each unique 
in itself !  

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 2:49:48 AM UTC-4 zem...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've been interested in switching to albatross bars but one of my concerns 
> is that it'll be difficult to stand, pedal hard, and pull on the bars. I do 
> a lot of city riding, so being able to do this from a stop or rolling stop 
> is a key part of my riding. 
>
> I've watched Dan Stroud's (aka hobocross) video on how he sets up his 
> albas to have more of a "hoods" position, which seems like a natural 
> solution to this problem, but in his video he doesn't seem to stand and 
> pull a whole lot. 
>
> Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGokAt6XAi0=152s
>
> Anyone have thoughts/experience with this?
>
> Zack
> Toronto/DC
>

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[RBW] Re: Interesting Riv

[Cyclofiend Jim]

It's possible, but just doesn't look quite right. 
Clearance at the fork seems pretty narrow.
Hard to tell with the angle on the side view, but the fork bend looks a 
little high and chunky.
I think you'd want to have some clear documentation before making that 
claim. 
Are there any marks on the BB? 

The closest to that era would be  LongLow - 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_longlow.jpg

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2010/cc822-dongenovese1110.html

On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 11:49:48 PM UTC-7 dub_...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> Purchased this one on ebay and the story is that its a Prototype Rivendell 
>
> Anyone have any ideas on it's back ground?
>
> SN M1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Adrian the Aussie
>

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[RBW] Do you stand and pull with upright bars?

[zem...@gmail.com]

I've been interested in switching to albatross bars but one of my concerns 
is that it'll be difficult to stand, pedal hard, and pull on the bars. I do 
a lot of city riding, so being able to do this from a stop or rolling stop 
is a key part of my riding. 

I've watched Dan Stroud's (aka hobocross) video on how he sets up his albas 
to have more of a "hoods" position, which seems like a natural solution to 
this problem, but in his video he doesn't seem to stand and pull a whole 
lot. 

Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGokAt6XAi0=152s

Anyone have thoughts/experience with this?

Zack
Toronto/DC

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[RBW] Large Platypus Test Ride - Southern California

[sam jenniches]

Hi All,
I'm interested in ordering a Platypus on a future build (or buying used) 
but would love to find one to test ride more local to me.  I'm in San 
Diego.  Anyone willing or with ideas?

Or just gushing recommendations?

Thanks,
Sam

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[RBW] WTB/WTT: Nitto M12 or Nitto Mini 32F

[Jonah Cohn]

Hello! I am looking for a Nitto M12 front rack. I'd be happy to buy it or 
trade it for an M18 I just bought from a group member. It's in good shape 
and includes a few sets of struts in different lengths and two different 
diving board plates. Still in the box. 

Please let me know if you would like sell or trade! 

Thanks,

Jonah

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Calvin Yolo]

There's one 46cm in Mermaid available right now on Riv's site.

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 7:19:35 PM UTC-7 Justin wrote:

> For Michael Baquerizo
> Appaloosa with 700x2.25 Maxxis Ikon and 700x2.2 RH Fleecer Ridge
>
> [image: 51263110297_bdb988a306_c[1].jpg]
> [image: 51264579819_74982d3456_c[1].jpg]
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:20:32 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> Anyone have experience fitting a 55 on an appaloosa? Never spent a bunch 
>> of money on tires before but want to try the yet to be released RH Umtanum 
>> Ridges for this bike.
>>
>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 1:34:53 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, I settled on the Soma Supple Vitesse EX as I'm unable to find the 
>>> Shikoros in the width I want (48mm) 
>>> I could've gotten the folding bead Everwear in 48 but I'm a sucker for 
>>> brown sidewalls ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>> I'm skeptical of their durability, but having commuted on and gone on a 
>>> loaded tour with Compass 700 x 32 EL tires with only two flat tires I might 
>>> have some kind of good luck in that regard. 
>>> I'll post pictures once the wheel is done and the tires are on! 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  Virus-free. 
>>> www.avg.com 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> <#m_-7679989946204155635_m_3843140019137048474_m_1601054821525427105_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 10:23 AM Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
 Which tires are you going with on the build? I'm looking at tires now 
 too for my Clem build.
 Doug

 On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 1:16:23 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Okay okay, you guys told me what I wanted to hear. 
> A Kasai FS hub and my big ol' squishy tires will be showing up 
> tomorrow. I might swing for a SON someday, but this little guy should be 
> more than sufficient for my "needs" 
> Looking like I'll be able to ride it home from work on Sunday! 
> You know where to find me, Collin. At the very least I owe you a test 
> ride! 
>
> -Addison, laying on my cement floor 
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 9:01:18 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Looks like I'm going to have to swing by and see it in person!
>>
>> P.S. Dynamo all the way.
>>
>> Collin, melting away, In Sacramento
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 11:04:53 PM UTC-7 
>> bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Kushan, I made off with a 54cm Mermaid and will be building it as a 
>>> long distance, mostly paved touring rig. It’ll have big puffy tires, a 
>>> heaving saddle bag, a legendary range of gears, and am trying to talk 
>>> myself into or out of dynamo lighting. 
>>> Built the rear wheel tonight, will have the front wheel built once I 
>>> make up my mind regarding the dynamo. Hoping to have it road ready 
>>> before 
>>> the weekend is over! 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:00 PM Kushan  wrote:
>>>
 For the folks who managed to get an Appaloosa yesterday (or through 
 the dealers earlier), what type of build ideas are you thinking of? I 
 got a 
 60 cm Mermaid and planning to have it built as an all-rounder with 
 80-90% 
 pavement usage.
 On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:56:25 PM UTC-7 Andrew Stevens 
 wrote:

> We have a 51 and a 57 at Eastside Pedal Pushers in Austin, in the 
> orange
>
> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 1:28:58 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> My size sold out in 3 minutes across both color options, which is 
>> the number I'm naturally most alarmed by! 
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:25 AM Eric Marth  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Roberta. Nearly sold out in 30 minutes! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:23:30 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Eric, is that 3:30 eastern time, which means they nearly sold 
 out in 30 minutes???  

 On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 3:34:05 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> By 3:30 only 46cm in orange and 60cm in mermaid. 
>
> That's another wild one for the books!
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 3:18:28 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Despite the short thread here this sale seems to have been 
>> every bit as nuts as the Platypus release. 
>>
>> 3:03 
>> Orange: all frames sold out except for 46cm
>> Mermaid: 51cm sold out 
>>
>> 3:06
>> Mermaid: 57cm sold out
>>
>> 3:10
>> Mermaid: 46cm 

Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Michael Baquerizo]

appreciate the info. buying parts for this bike bit  by bit so the tires, 
despite their sticker shock, shouldn't hurt *too *much...i think.

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 6:04:02 PM UTC-4 bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Bones! Yours is a beaut, too. It fits right in among that field of 
> flowers! 
> I’ll be camping on mine next week so I will get to see how it likes having 
> weight on it. 
>
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:08 AM Collin A  wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I've snuck in some schwalbe g-one 650x55 tires in the fork with ample 
>> vertical space, but a bit tight near the legs/crown to where I wouldn't 
>> ride it in muddy conditions. There is more room in the rear, but I think 
>> the limiting spot was the near the brake bridge...this was also with the 
>> slightly larger 650x2.35 g-one speeds. See attached (bike has since been 
>> switched to drops, cantis and 650x50 RH slicks):
>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>> Collin, If its always a hot can you call it a heat wave, in Sacramento
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[RBW] WTB Bosco moose 58 w/12 degree downslope

[Michael Monti]

I just recently acquired a Susie frame and having thought about handlebar 
choices, and having discovered that a downsloping 58cm bosco bullmoose bar 
was once sold and is out there,  I am inspired to ask ya'll if someone out 
there with this setup is willing to sell this particular cockpit. 

I just joined the group a month or so ago and have been impressed with all 
the fantastic riv rants and fascinated that I can even make this request to 
a group of people that know what Im talking about, thank you!

Mike Monti
Marin, CA

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[RBW] wtb technomic deluxe or tallux 25.4 and 100-110 mm

[Michael Baquerizo]

preferably in close to new condition. i don't mind insertion marks but it's 
not like i'm seeking them out.

225 extension preferably but i'd settle for the shorter one i guess. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Stem, Shimano Barend Shifters etc.

[Brian Campbell]

Thanks everyone. Remaining items now on ebay.

On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:19:06 PM UTC-4 Brian Campbell wrote:

>
> Howdy!
>
> Selling off some extras. All prices include shipping in the US. Payment 
> via paypal (friends and family or you pay the additional fee) or Venmo. 
> Local pickup is ok as well I am in Berwyn PA.
>
> Cane Creek SCR-5 Brake Levers- 1 Sets gum hoods $45 
> 1 Cane Creek Lever- Black hood and extra hood $20 (Right side lever)
> Shimano 10 Speed Bar end Shifter Set-$65
> Nitto Pearl Stem 90mm extension 26.0 bar diameter $50
> Shimano Ultegra Long Cage Rear Derailleur-$55 (6600) which I think is ten 
> speed compatible
> Tektro Linear Pull  4 finger Brake Levers- New.$15
>
> Links to pictures:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/r8dCTxY7FFnqrfWq7
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