[RBW] FS: Nitto MF-2 NIP Mark's Hub Area Rack with Hoop

[Mike Godwin]

Cross-post on ibob. Got this a while back from David B. I find I cannot use 
it and will use my existing Blackburn lowrider rack. In original packaging 
with Japanese air.
Nitto Mark's Hub Area Rack with Hoop (MF2) – Rivendell Bicycle Works 
(rivbike.com) 

 

$190 includes shipping. 

Mike SLO CA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 50cm Roadini

[Calvin Yolo]

Thanks Joe. I'm leaning towards ordering a 53cm Roadeo. I think it's better 
than buying that Roadini for $2k just to remove all the parts and install 
the ones I'm sitting on. Looks like the geometry is really close between 
the 50cm Roadini and 53cm Roadeo too, although the headtube is shorter on 
the Roadeo.
On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 7:30:18 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I owned a Roadini and it's a very nice TIG-welded slightly stout road 
> bike, certainly worth the $900-or-so they were going for as a frameset at 
> last availability. BUT...a Roadeo is pretty much a custom handbuilt 
> lightweight (for Riv) lugged frame that comes in production sizes and 
> geometry. In other words I paid about $4k for a custom Riv frame built to 
> my size, weight and needs, but I'd never be able to claim a Roadeo is a 
> lower quality bike. If you find one that fits, buy it! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 4:54:38 PM UTC-7 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>
>> Figured I'd try my luck on this board.
>>
>> I'm aware of the Roadini which was posted in another thread on PB, but 
>> I'd highly prefer just the frameset. They're asking $2000 for the complete 
>> and I'm sitting on a bunch of parts for this build already. Part of me 
>> figures if I'm going to spend $2000, I might as well save an extra $800 and 
>> get a Roadeo.
>>
>> Let me know what's out there. Or share thoughts on the Roadeo idea! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New to the forum

[Ryan]

I thought it was an all-rounder at first...but Joe's right, once I looked 
at the clearances; it's the Riv Mountain...that is a beauty! Thanks for 
posting and look after that bike. A white whale for sure. 

Tell us the story.

Ryan 
Winnipeg,MB

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 9:20:22 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Welcome Kazu! 🙋‍♂️
>
> Holy Toledo that's a nice time capsule Riv. I believe the sloping toptube 
> makes it a Rivendell Mountain as opposed to the flatter-tube All Rounder, 
> and all that kit is from the catalogue pages of very early Rivendell 
> Readers. Mavic Starfish! 
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:42:16 PM UTC-7 kaz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello All, 
>>
>> I am new to this forum!  Glad I found you guys!  I wanted to share with 
>> you my special Riv.  I will just post the photos for now, I am curious to 
>> hear what some of the experts have to say about this bike.  
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Kazu
>>
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Re: [RBW] V-brakes needed or a recommendation

[Ray Varella]

Thank you all,
I ended up with the Deore Vs over the Alivo for one reason and one reason 
only, they have cartridge brake shoes so being able to upgrade shoes 
without needing to fiddle with any adjustments made it an easy choice. 
If they hadn’t been available I would have gone with the Alivos and 
purchased some cartridge holders with pads. 

Cheers 
Ray

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 6:24:34 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> RBW recommended M730 for the Appaloosa they recently built for me. I have 
> a 55 mm slick tires with SKS B65 fenders and the brakes clear fine in both 
> front and back. They are also priced pretty well at ~$25 per wheel (RBW 
> doesn't sell them as separate parts but you can easily find them on other 
> online retailers). 
>
> While selecting the parts, I remember Will mentioning something along the 
> lines of pad replacement being easier on these Tektro vs. Alivio brakes. 
>
> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 10:33:10 AM UTC-7 mathie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning Ray, 
>>
>> Having spoken with The Team as my Platypus build comes together (with 
>> 700c x 47 tires and fenders) my understanding is that clearance is the main 
>> consideration. I personally went with Deore V brakes, based on their 
>> recommendation (which cost a little bit more but not much) (and I know 
>> Deore brakes are not available a-la carte on the site ))
>>
>> I imagine that Alvio's should work just fine - especially at the price 
>> point. It might not hurt to give the office a call tomorrow morning, if 
>> clearance is a concern. 
>>
>> Happy to hear from someone with additional experience.
>>
>> MATHIEU BROWN
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 11:24 AM Ray Varella  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m in need of a set (bike’s worth) of V-brakes. 
>>> I see Rivendell has Alivo level brakes for $20 per wheel
>>> Is there a compelling reason not to use them?
>>>
>>> If so, any recommendation on a budget level brake that works well?
>>>
>>> Thank you 
>>> Ray
>>>
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[RBW] Re: NC (Charlotte) Riv ride and S24O gear

[Pam Bikes]

Updated link for the route.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/37289801

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'd like to finally get around to doing a Riv ride Sun Sept 5th Labor Day 
> weekend.  It'll be a long, slow ride and I'll bring along my S24O set up in 
> case anyone would like to see it.  I'd like to see other people's gear as 
> well.  I love to get ideas from other people.  I'm thinking about 40 miles 
> with an option for people to take the lightrail back in case they don't 
> want to ride as far (27 miles).  https://ridewithgps.com/routes/36598734  
> here's the route but we'd start at mile 26.  Who can come?  

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 50cm Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

I owned a Roadini and it's a very nice TIG-welded slightly stout road bike, 
certainly worth the $900-or-so they were going for as a frameset at last 
availability. BUT...a Roadeo is pretty much a custom handbuilt lightweight 
(for Riv) lugged frame that comes in production sizes and geometry. In 
other words I paid about $4k for a custom Riv frame built to my size, 
weight and needs, but I'd never be able to claim a Roadeo is a lower 
quality bike. If you find one that fits, buy it! 



On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 4:54:38 PM UTC-7 Calvin Yolo wrote:

> Figured I'd try my luck on this board.
>
> I'm aware of the Roadini which was posted in another thread on PB, but I'd 
> highly prefer just the frameset. They're asking $2000 for the complete and 
> I'm sitting on a bunch of parts for this build already. Part of me figures 
> if I'm going to spend $2000, I might as well save an extra $800 and get a 
> Roadeo.
>
> Let me know what's out there. Or share thoughts on the Roadeo idea! 
>

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[RBW] Re: New to the forum

[Joe Bernard]

Welcome Kazu! 🙋‍♂️

Holy Toledo that's a nice time capsule Riv. I believe the sloping toptube 
makes it a Rivendell Mountain as opposed to the flatter-tube All Rounder, 
and all that kit is from the catalogue pages of very early Rivendell 
Readers. Mavic Starfish! 

Joe Bernard
On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:42:16 PM UTC-7 kaz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello All, 
>
> I am new to this forum!  Glad I found you guys!  I wanted to share with 
> you my special Riv.  I will just post the photos for now, I am curious to 
> hear what some of the experts have to say about this bike.  
>
> Best,
>
> Kazu
>

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Re: [RBW] V-brakes needed or a recommendation

[Kushan]

RBW recommended M730 for the Appaloosa they recently built for me. I have a 
55 mm slick tires with SKS B65 fenders and the brakes clear fine in both 
front and back. They are also priced pretty well at ~$25 per wheel (RBW 
doesn't sell them as separate parts but you can easily find them on other 
online retailers). 

While selecting the parts, I remember Will mentioning something along the 
lines of pad replacement being easier on these Tektro vs. Alivio brakes. 

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 10:33:10 AM UTC-7 mathie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning Ray, 
>
> Having spoken with The Team as my Platypus build comes together (with 700c 
> x 47 tires and fenders) my understanding is that clearance is the main 
> consideration. I personally went with Deore V brakes, based on their 
> recommendation (which cost a little bit more but not much) (and I know 
> Deore brakes are not available a-la carte on the site ))
>
> I imagine that Alvio's should work just fine - especially at the price 
> point. It might not hurt to give the office a call tomorrow morning, if 
> clearance is a concern. 
>
> Happy to hear from someone with additional experience.
>
> MATHIEU BROWN
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 11:24 AM Ray Varella  wrote:
>
>> I’m in need of a set (bike’s worth) of V-brakes. 
>> I see Rivendell has Alivo level brakes for $20 per wheel
>> Is there a compelling reason not to use them?
>>
>> If so, any recommendation on a budget level brake that works well?
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>>
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Re: [RBW] RE: New to the forum

[J L]

Kazu,

Welcome! 

Is that color black or midnight blue? What a nice bike! 
Mavic starfish crank? Wow.

What can you tell us about the bike?

Cheers,
Jason

> On Aug 26, 2021, at 5:42 PM, hidekazu matsuba  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I am new to this forum!  Glad I found you guys!  I wanted to share with you 
> my special Riv.  I will just post the photos for now, I am curious to hear 
> what some of the experts have to say about this bike.  
> 
> Best,
> 
> Kazu
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Re: [RBW] FS: Surly Front Rack + Wald 139 Basket

[Brendan Willard in SF]

WALD recommends drought resistant plants in the 139 until we get more 
rain...

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:40:16 PM UTC-7 jona...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_0050.jpeg]
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:35 AM Jonah Cohn  wrote:
>
>> Silver Surly Front Rack in excellent shape. Includes all original 
>> hardware. $100
>>
>> Wald 139 basket $15
>>
>> $110 for both 
>>
>> BAY AREA local pick up only (for now)
>>
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[RBW] Re: My First Riv! A Romulus.

[mrb]

Larry is a real mensch! Buying the bike was an amazing experience. I had 
time to choose between a Hillborne and the Romulus and went for the Romulus 
because I was looking for something speedier. I have a built up 
gravel/adventure bike already -- but now I want the Sam too! 

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:34:31 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Congratulations. Beautiful bike. Miles of smiles to you!  And to Rick!  
>
> I met Larry and his wife at the Baltimore Bike Club’s Memorial Day Spring 
> Fling weekend a few years ago. They donated their mechanical talents to 
> those in need over the weekend. 
>
> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 1:34:54 PM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>
>> From the collection of the legendary Larry Black!
>>
>> [image: IMG_7660.JPG.jpeg]
>
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[RBW] Re: My First Riv! A Romulus.

[mrb]

Thanks y'all! Loving it so far! 

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 11:51:39 PM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Congratulations!!!
> Me too, about 6 weeks ago. 
> Same bike, but mine has the townie bars
> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 6:07:44 PM UTC-4 Amit Singh wrote:
>
>> Congratulations !!! 
>>
>> Wishing you tailwinds, and many, many years of happy riding!
>>
>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 mrb wrote:
>>
>>> From the collection of the legendary Larry Black!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_7660.JPG.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Cycles Grand Bois Centerpulls vs Tektro R559

[Brenton Eastman]

I am also enjoying the hot takes on both sides. Of note: I am not planning 
on converting to 650b wheels, so I would not be maxing out the reach of the 
R559 brake. Another thing I am bothered by with the Grand Bois brakes is 
mine need to be at the very shortest limit of their reach to meet my 700c 
atlas hoops, making them super annoying to adjust, as they must be crammed 
against the upper most point while dialing in. It almost requires a third 
hand or some extra fingers to get proper angle, toe, and contact point. I 
am 6'1 190lbs. I have not upgraded the pads...yet.

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 9:19:05 AM UTC-7 bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:

> I find it so interesting that there are such polarized experiences with 
> the Tektro r559; one normally only sees this gulf when looking at obscure 
> tech from days long gone, but in this case it’s regarding a component you 
> can still “walk” to the “store” and buy. What are the variables we’re 
> missing here? Are the naysayers 6’4”, 220lbs and running stock brake pads? 
> Those in favor 5’6”, 140lbs with Kool Stops? 
> I for one love the r559; I’ve got them on my (very upright) commuter with 
> compression-less housing, Kool Stop inserts and flexy little Tektro levers 
> and I’m certain I could go ass-over-tea kettle if I grabbed a handful of 
> brake without care. The bike runs very wide, polished rims and increasingly 
> slick Gravel Kings. 
> In the name of science, I am 5’8” and about 150lbs 
>
> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 6:33:21 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Not an opinion, it's my experience using these brakes on a Riv Cheviot 
>> and various 650b conversion. It's also echoed in a recent BQ issue, where a 
>> rider on a Trek conversion could barely control his speed with these long 
>> reach brakes. I wouldn't buy a frame that required these brakes.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:10 PM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 9:02:59 am UTC+10 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 I've never used the GB brake, but I've found the R559 to be 
 particularly weak. The long arms flex so much, I had to set the pads at 
 the 
 very bottom of the brake track so the brake pads wouldn't hit the tire as 
 the arms flexed up during a stop. And in the wet, they barely stop at all.

>>> That opinion is nonsense. I've been using the R559, and it's predecessor 
>>> the R556, for 20-odd years, and haven't had any problems with brake flex or 
>>> being unable to stop, including touring in high mountains.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 59CM

[Brenden Perella]

Hello Everyone, 

Thank you all for your interest in my Atlantis the bike has SOLD. 

Cheers,
Bren 

> On Aug 16, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Brenden Perella  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I just received my 61 Toyo Atlantis and have been currently owning/riding a 
> 59cm Atlantis for around 7 months. It’s a beautiful bike and a great ride it 
> has always been a place holder for the Toyo…so I am interested in selling the 
> 59cm. I would like to sell it to another Riv enthusiast like myself so I 
> decided to try listing it here first. 
> 
> I’m selling it as is in the photos not a complete build but some great bones 
> for one… 
> 
> This includes - 
> Frame & Fork - Rivendell Atlantis 59CM 
> Headset - FSA
> Crankset & BB - IRD Cranks are 172.5mm 
> Wheels are mismatched built by a good friend…
> Front Wheel -Velocity Dyad with Shimano Tiagra front hub 
> Rear wheel - Velocity Atlas with Shimano Deore LX hub 
> 700c x 38 Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires 
> **REAR CASSETTE NOT INCLUDED** 
> 
> PRICE - $1,400.00 including all listed above! 
> Shipping Price - will have to be discussed after the bike is purchased. 
> 
> I am including some photos below -The bike is in incredible shape and has 
> only ever lived indoors. I included the minimal paint chips and or scratches 
> but please ask if you want to see more photos. (Including a photo of it fully 
> built to give you an idea of how it looks all built up) 
> 
> All additional photos can be viewed via this link - 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/193708122@N07/albums/72157719742627665
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto Albatross Bars

[Dee Dee]

If you're ok buying new, Riv just got restocked with a bunch of bars,
albatross included.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:34 PM Jacob Smith  wrote:

> On the hunt for nitto albatross bars - ideally heat-treated alu vs CrMo
> but could go either way. Final piece for finishing up an Atlantis build.
>
> Anyone holding? Ideally in Bay Area.
>
> Cheers,
> Jacob
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[RBW] FS - Riv/Blue Lug caps

[Jay Lonner]

I bought two of these, one in each color (tan and olive) hoping that they'd 
fit my size 8 head. No dice. They're lovely hats and I really like the 
vintage herringbone twill. They sold out quickly! They sold for $55 apiece 
plus shipping, and since they are brand new and unworn apart from trying on 
for sizing I'm asking for $60 shipped.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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[RBW] WTB: 50cm Roadini

[Calvin Yolo]

Figured I'd try my luck on this board.

I'm aware of the Roadini which was posted in another thread on PB, but I'd 
highly prefer just the frameset. They're asking $2000 for the complete and 
I'm sitting on a bunch of parts for this build already. Part of me figures 
if I'm going to spend $2000, I might as well save an extra $800 and get a 
Roadeo.

Let me know what's out there. Or share thoughts on the Roadeo idea! 

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[RBW] FS: Velo Orange Campeur 59cm F/F/HS/BB & fenders & brakes

[WETH]

I bought a 59cm 700c Campeur from Velo Orange in December 2018 and never 
got around to building it up.  Now, I have too many other projects.  I 
mounted a pair of wheels into the drop outs with a few resulting paint 
scuffs, otherwise the bike is perfect.  Included in the price are unmounted 
50mm 700c VO snakeskin fenders and Tektro CR710 Low-Profile Cantilever 
brakes bought from Velo Orange along with the frame and never used.

Price: $500 PayPal for local pickup/delivery in the Washington, DC area; 
$650 shipped (if LBS and Bike Flights charge me less, I will refund the 
difference.) (Would prefer a local sale)

Please see photos 
here: https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/For-Sale-Campeur-/

Happy to answer questions and am not inclined, at the moment, to part this 
out.

Erl Houston
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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[John Rinker]

Thanks, Bill. Yes, my father bestowed upon me the gift of knowing which 
side of the soldering iron to grab so being somewhat handy with tools makes 
that 'instantiating' possible and fulfilling. Oh, and I have a whole other 
workbench below all my tools that loves to accumulate bits. Horizontal 
surfaces just beg for clutter.

Cheers.

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 9:37:33 PM UTC+9 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I like the jig.  Just the act of instantiating a first revision out of 
> one's head can be super fulfilling.  I confess the aspect of the photo that 
> makes me the most jealous is your tidy work surface.  I need to do a little 
> bit more tidying, and less accumulation of bits...
>
> add it to the list...
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:12 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell 
>> ethos, futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with me. 
>> Maybe it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, 
>> taken apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as riding 
>> the darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for 
>> lacing wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! 
>> Thought any like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>>
>> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[John Rinker]

The bottle is there to occasionally hold a flower or two from the garden 
outside the shop. Mounted there so it doesn't take up space on the table 
top.

Cheers.

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 11:40:12 PM UTC+9 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like it!  What purpose does the glass bottle mounted to the right leg of 
> the table serve?  Just curious.   I like the spoke holders too.  Quite an 
> efficient set-up.
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:37:33 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I like the jig.  Just the act of instantiating a first revision out of 
>> one's head can be super fulfilling.  I confess the aspect of the photo that 
>> makes me the most jealous is your tidy work surface.  I need to do a little 
>> bit more tidying, and less accumulation of bits...
>>
>> add it to the list...
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:12 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell 
>>> ethos, futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with me. 
>>> Maybe it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, 
>>> taken apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as riding 
>>> the darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for 
>>> lacing wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! 
>>> Thought any like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>>>
>>> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[John Rinker]

Copy away, Brendon! I believe Picasso said, 'All great artists steal' so 
there's definitely no shame to be had.

Cheers,John

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 9:15:27 PM UTC+9 brendonoid wrote:

> This is such a great piece of DIY I plan to shamelessly copy!
>
> On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 19:57:32 UTC+8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Brendon,
>>
>> Here's another angle on the jig. Not sure it shows too much more. 
>> [image: IMG_7098.jpeg]
>>
>> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 8:52:48 PM UTC+9 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Brendon,
>>>
>>> The arms with wheel braces are spring-loaded to open easily and hold the 
>>> rim in place, and the rim runs on two tiny wheels on each brace. The hub 
>>> support is 3 pieces of 1 x 4 laminated together and then sanded to a taper 
>>> with a threaded rod onto which I slide the hub. As you can see, it's held 
>>> onto the table with a clamp and then folds up for storage. No real 
>>> functionality issues, but I may slightly change the angle of the wheel 
>>> braces so the wheels contact the rim in a more perpendicular manner. I did 
>>> put some pieces of Newbaum's tape over exposed screw heads to avoid 
>>> scratching the rim as I put it in or take it out.
>>>
>>> The inspiration came from the jig I saw on the Prowheelbuilder's 
>>> homepage (photo 8), but theirs is super skookum! I guess that's why they 
>>> call 'em 'Pros'!
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 8:27:13 PM UTC+9 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 This is really neat. I think I get how this works but can you give us a 
 little explanation of your design ideas and its functionality/problems?

 Thanks for sharing!

 On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 18:35:12 UTC+8 John Rinker wrote:

> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell 
> ethos, futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with 
> me. 
> Maybe it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered 
> with, 
> taken apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as 
> riding 
> the darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for 
> lacing wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! 
> Thought any like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>
> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Patrick Moore]

If you're not fretting about something, you're not living.
Thucydides, *Middlemarch*

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 3:28 AM Garth  wrote:

> Talking about a "best shoe" reminds me chain lube discussions !  What's
> common to all ?  That "what works" has no limits and is not bound to any
> particular form. Endless Creativity abounds. .   .  . and that's pretty
> darn awesome !
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 5:18:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This just in: The size 10 American $20 Target plimsolls (bought, again,
>> for clips and straps off road) are *very* big for 10s, and *very* wide.
>> They are much bigger than the size 11 Specialized "2FO" SPD shoes I bought
>> earlier in the summer. A 9.5 would have been better, and I daresay they run
>> 2 full sizes bigger than the Specializeds, but I can always install a
>> thicker insole.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who spent $200 + on shoes and pedals to try flat,
>> no-retention pedaling and heartily disliked it.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Rick Urbanowski]

Thanks!
I bet we are related in someway.
I will often here older Polish people pronounce my last name that way.
On the other hand, I am Polish and maybe I’ve just been spelling it wrong all 
these years! Lol

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> On Aug 26, 2021, at 1:21 PM, st nick  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I found a link.
> Name was spelled differently, 
> 
> 'Urbanovsky'
> 
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/svr2cs3n
> 
> 
> 
> Paul in Dallas
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[RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[st nick]

I found a link.Name was spelled differently, 
'Urbanovsky'

https://tinyurl.com/svr2cs3n



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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Rick Urbanowski]

Wow, cool! Could it possibly have been Urbanski? There seems to be a lot of 
those around. Urbanowski is a little bit more rare.
Thank you very much for the kind words!
No, no bike portraits, but that sounds cool

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> On Aug 26, 2021, at 12:19 PM, st nick  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Rick, on another note, as memory serves,
> 
>  decades ago there was an 
> Urbanowski Photography Studio in the small town of West,TX a bit north of 
> Waco, TX .
> 
> He had a reputation of being a most excellent photographer.
> 
> Looking at your website,  congrats on also being a most excellent 
> photographer with the same last name. 
> Wonderful photos on your site!!!
> 
> Anyone ever bring in their bike for a professional photo?
> 
> Paul in Dallas 
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[RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[st nick]

Rick, on another note, as memory serves,
 decades ago there was an Urbanowski Photography Studio in the small town of 
West,TX a bit north of Waco, TX .
He had a reputation of being a most excellent photographer.
Looking at your website,  congrats on also being a most excellent photographer 
with the same last name. Wonderful photos on your site!!!
Anyone ever bring in their bike for a professional photo?
Paul in Dallas 

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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Rick Urbanowski]

Interesting! I swore those were Nittos


> On Aug 26, 2021, at 11:55 AM, st nick  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Rick , the bars are the Sunlite North Road alloy bars.
> 
> They come in an aluminum alloy and a cromo steel version .
> 
> Sunlite Handlebar Touring Northroad Alloy 72774033065 | eBay 
> 
> 
> Sunlite Handlebar Touring Northroad Alloy 72774033065 | eBay
> North road style.
> 
>  
> 
> The 3.5"rise attractive me to them and I think I have 4 of them now as they 
> just work for me. Its my go to handlebar for my style of riding 
> 
> 
> That said I recently bought a Jones SG 2.5 aluminum Loop bar which I am 
> really liking. 
> 
> Paul in Dallas 
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[st nick]

Rick , the bars are the Sunlite North Road alloy bars.
They come in an aluminum alloy and a cromo steel version .
Sunlite Handlebar Touring Northroad Alloy 72774033065 | eBay  
|  
|   
|   
|   ||

   |

  |
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|   |  
Sunlite Handlebar Touring Northroad Alloy 72774033065 | eBay
 
North road style.
  |   |

  |

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The 3.5"rise attractive me to them and I think I have 4 of them now as they 
just work for me. Its my go to handlebar for my style of riding 

That said I recently bought a Jones SG 2.5 aluminum Loop bar which I am really 
liking. 
Paul in Dallas 


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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[RichS]

Patrick,

If I recall you wanted shoes that would be compatible with toe clips. Glad 
you found your solution at Target (Their Goodfellow brand is decent in the 
u-wear category too).
I've been through the same spendy exercise as you in search of a toe clip 
compatible shoe. Currently using MKS touring pedals with Five Tens which is 
a fairly grippy combination. If I decide to put on the clips and straps I 
will pay a visit to Target:-)

Sidebar: in the Henry Wildeberry videos note that Ms. Cools wears a 
plimsoll on brevets!

Best,
Rich in ATL



On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:28:44 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Talking about a "best shoe" reminds me chain lube discussions !  What's 
> common to all ?  That "what works" has no limits and is not bound to any 
> particular form. Endless Creativity abounds. .   .  . and that's pretty 
> darn awesome ! 
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 5:18:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This just in: The size 10 American $20 Target plimsolls (bought, again, 
>> for clips and straps off road) are *very* big for 10s, and *very* wide. 
>> They are much bigger than the size 11 Specialized "2FO" SPD shoes I bought 
>> earlier in the summer. A 9.5 would have been better, and I daresay they run 
>> 2 full sizes bigger than the Specializeds, but I can always install a 
>> thicker insole.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who spent $200 + on shoes and pedals to try flat, 
>> no-retention pedaling and heartily disliked it.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Rick Urbanowski]

Sweet!
Which bars are on the Sam please?

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> On Aug 26, 2021, at 11:14 AM, st nick  wrote:
> 
> 
> <20210826_100527.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From a ride a two months back around White Rock Lake with friend Jim (Riv 
> list follower) on his Homer and me on my orange Sam. Friend Luis was on this 
> ride also but not sure why we didn't get his Homer in pic.
> 
> This is with the spillway in the background. 
> 
> It's between 9 and 10 miles around this in city lake and its heavily used by 
> cyclists, runners, walkers, etc.
> 
> It's a wonderful resource within the city but can get crowded at peak times 
> on weekends.
> 
> Paul in Dallas 
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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[RichS]

That is so nicely done John. You've created what looks like a therapeutic 
workspace too. I'm with you on the DIY Riv ethos which for me includes all 
things bicycle and much more. Thank you for sharing your handiwork.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like it!  What purpose does the glass bottle mounted to the right leg of 
> the table serve?  Just curious.   I like the spoke holders too.  Quite an 
> efficient set-up.
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:37:33 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I like the jig.  Just the act of instantiating a first revision out of 
>> one's head can be super fulfilling.  I confess the aspect of the photo that 
>> makes me the most jealous is your tidy work surface.  I need to do a little 
>> bit more tidying, and less accumulation of bits...
>>
>> add it to the list...
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:12 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell 
>>> ethos, futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with me. 
>>> Maybe it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, 
>>> taken apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as riding 
>>> the darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for 
>>> lacing wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! 
>>> Thought any like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>>>
>>> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[David Person]

I like it!  What purpose does the glass bottle mounted to the right leg of 
the table serve?  Just curious.   I like the spoke holders too.  Quite an 
efficient set-up.

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:37:33 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I like the jig.  Just the act of instantiating a first revision out of 
> one's head can be super fulfilling.  I confess the aspect of the photo that 
> makes me the most jealous is your tidy work surface.  I need to do a little 
> bit more tidying, and less accumulation of bits...
>
> add it to the list...
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:12 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell 
>> ethos, futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with me. 
>> Maybe it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, 
>> taken apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as riding 
>> the darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for 
>> lacing wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! 
>> Thought any like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>>
>> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[David Person]

I like it!

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:37:33 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I like the jig.  Just the act of instantiating a first revision out of 
> one's head can be super fulfilling.  I confess the aspect of the photo that 
> makes me the most jealous is your tidy work surface.  I need to do a little 
> bit more tidying, and less accumulation of bits...
>
> add it to the list...
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:12 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell 
>> ethos, futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with me. 
>> Maybe it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, 
>> taken apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as riding 
>> the darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for 
>> lacing wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! 
>> Thought any like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>>
>> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[Bill Lindsay]

I like the jig.  Just the act of instantiating a first revision out of 
one's head can be super fulfilling.  I confess the aspect of the photo that 
makes me the most jealous is your tidy work surface.  I need to do a little 
bit more tidying, and less accumulation of bits...

add it to the list...

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:12 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell ethos, 
> futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with me. Maybe 
> it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, taken 
> apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as riding the 
> darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for lacing 
> wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! Thought any 
> like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>
> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[brendonoid]

This is such a great piece of DIY I plan to shamelessly copy!

On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 19:57:32 UTC+8 John Rinker wrote:

> Brendon,
>
> Here's another angle on the jig. Not sure it shows too much more. 
> [image: IMG_7098.jpeg]
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 8:52:48 PM UTC+9 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Brendon,
>>
>> The arms with wheel braces are spring-loaded to open easily and hold the 
>> rim in place, and the rim runs on two tiny wheels on each brace. The hub 
>> support is 3 pieces of 1 x 4 laminated together and then sanded to a taper 
>> with a threaded rod onto which I slide the hub. As you can see, it's held 
>> onto the table with a clamp and then folds up for storage. No real 
>> functionality issues, but I may slightly change the angle of the wheel 
>> braces so the wheels contact the rim in a more perpendicular manner. I did 
>> put some pieces of Newbaum's tape over exposed screw heads to avoid 
>> scratching the rim as I put it in or take it out.
>>
>> The inspiration came from the jig I saw on the Prowheelbuilder's homepage 
>> (photo 8), but theirs is super skookum! I guess that's why they call 'em 
>> 'Pros'!
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 8:27:13 PM UTC+9 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> This is really neat. I think I get how this works but can you give us a 
>>> little explanation of your design ideas and its functionality/problems?
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 18:35:12 UTC+8 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell 
 ethos, futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with 
 me. 
 Maybe it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, 
 taken apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as 
 riding 
 the darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for 
 lacing wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! 
 Thought any like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.

 [image: WheelJig.jpeg]



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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[John Rinker]

Hey Brendon,

The arms with wheel braces are spring-loaded to open easily and hold the 
rim in place, and the rim runs on two tiny wheels on each brace. The hub 
support is 3 pieces of 1 x 4 laminated together and then sanded to a taper 
with a threaded rod onto which I slide the hub. As you can see, it's held 
onto the table with a clamp and then folds up for storage. No real 
functionality issues, but I may slightly change the angle of the wheel 
braces so the wheels contact the rim in a more perpendicular manner. I did 
put some pieces of Newbaum's tape over exposed screw heads to avoid 
scratching the rim as I put it in or take it out.

The inspiration came from the jig I saw on the Prowheelbuilder's homepage 
(photo 8), but theirs is super skookum! I guess that's why they call 'em 
'Pros'!

Cheers.

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 8:27:13 PM UTC+9 brendonoid wrote:

> This is really neat. I think I get how this works but can you give us a 
> little explanation of your design ideas and its functionality/problems?
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 18:35:12 UTC+8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell 
>> ethos, futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with me. 
>> Maybe it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, 
>> taken apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as riding 
>> the darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for 
>> lacing wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! 
>> Thought any like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>>
>> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[John Rinker]

Hey Eric,

The hub support wasn't turned but run on a belt sander clamped upside down 
to a sawhorse (Wish I had a lathe!). The shelves are bombproof and have 
them all over my shop, and the woodstove works just fine though not in 
summer so I can rearrange my shop. The table with the jig and the truing 
stand is on wheels so I can move it around.

Cheers.

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 8:21:44 PM UTC+9 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nice jig you've got there. Is the center hub support turned? I see it 
> tapers upward. 
>
> I dig those Wandel-style shelves in the background. I've built a lot of 
> them, some for our warehouse and others for hardwood storage. 
>
> And I'm into shops so I'm looking at everything — looks like the wood 
> stove is out of commission? 
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 6:35:12 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell 
>> ethos, futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with me. 
>> Maybe it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, 
>> taken apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as riding 
>> the darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for 
>> lacing wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! 
>> Thought any like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>>
>> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[brendonoid]

This is really neat. I think I get how this works but can you give us a 
little explanation of your design ideas and its functionality/problems?

Thanks for sharing!

On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 18:35:12 UTC+8 John Rinker wrote:

> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell ethos, 
> futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with me. Maybe 
> it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, taken 
> apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as riding the 
> darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for lacing 
> wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! Thought any 
> like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>
> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs, jigs & DIY

[Eric Marth]

Nice jig you've got there. Is the center hub support turned? I see it 
tapers upward. 

I dig those Wandel-style shelves in the background. I've built a lot of 
them, some for our warehouse and others for hardwood storage. 

And I'm into shops so I'm looking at everything — looks like the wood stove 
is out of commission? 

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 6:35:12 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> I don't know, there's something about the intersection of Rivendell ethos, 
> futzing with things, and self-reliance that strikes a chord with me. Maybe 
> it's not only Rivs, but bicycles in general beg to be tinkered with, taken 
> apart, and put together. This is, to my mind, almost as fun as riding the 
> darn things. Anywho, I enjoy building wheels so I built this jig for lacing 
> wheels (first iteration), and it seems to work like a hot damn! Thought any 
> like-mind folks might enjoy seeing it. Cheers.
>
> [image: WheelJig.jpeg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Perfect high-tech dirt road riding shoes

[Garth]

Talking about a "best shoe" reminds me chain lube discussions !  What's 
common to all ?  That "what works" has no limits and is not bound to any 
particular form. Endless Creativity abounds. .   .  . and that's pretty 
darn awesome ! 
On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 5:18:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This just in: The size 10 American $20 Target plimsolls (bought, again, 
> for clips and straps off road) are *very* big for 10s, and *very* wide. 
> They are much bigger than the size 11 Specialized "2FO" SPD shoes I bought 
> earlier in the summer. A 9.5 would have been better, and I daresay they run 
> 2 full sizes bigger than the Specializeds, but I can always install a 
> thicker insole.
>
> Patrick Moore, who spent $200 + on shoes and pedals to try flat, 
> no-retention pedaling and heartily disliked it.
>

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis- Classic frame, New build

[Garth]

Mathew, What crankset are you referring to ?  
On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 4:03:16 PM UTC-4 Matthew P wrote:

> Hey John,
>
> Thanks for writing. A little push is welcomed by me.
> I gave it a crack maybe two weeks ago with atj ~127 mm wide spindle.
> As I tightened down the bolt into the driveside crank, the 30T inner ring 
> crept closer and closer to that curved chainstay that I love.
> I thought about not cranking any further, but then decided against that. 
> Well before pushing too hard on that axle bolt, the inner ring hit the 
> chainstay. Darnit!
> I learned one thing in the process, I think: initially I was getting play 
> in the spindle coming out of the BB cups. I think I figured that out: the 
> ball bearings were too small.
> I threw in another set of larger ball bearings (I need one of those Park 
> Tools rulers with the graduated holes for measuring ball bearings) and that 
> seemed to resolve it.
> It also gave me another idea.
> I have a ~1mm spacer I could use on the driveside. When I tried it last, 
> not enough of the square taper extended beyond the driveside cup.
> That was with ball bearings in cages. I'm thinking using loose ball 
> bearings might save me some width and allow me to use the spacer.
> Plan B is already on the way: a new-in-box, new-old-stock 130mm 
> Specialized spindle. That's gotta work.
> 130 mm may sound super wide but its just about 1.5 cm wider than a very 
> standard spindle.
> It looks like I'm having to push out that inner ring to the position where 
> the middle ring on a triple would be.
> I ask myself: just go with the triple?
> But I think a double is where its at. I want them on every bike I build 
> from here on out.
>
> I follow up after the loose ball bearing attempt fails and the 130 mm 
> spindle arrives and goes in.
>
> Thanks!
> -Matthew
> San Diego (Kumeyaay land)
>
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 3:32:22 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Matthew,
>>
>> Did you get the width of your axle figured out for your double crank? If 
>> so, I'd like to hear (and see) how your build came out.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 1:09:13 AM UTC+9 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome John.
>>> Neat crankset. I'm almost done building up my Toyo Atlantis.
>>> I'm insisting on using a double crankset and the curved chainstays get 
>>> wide real quick.
>>> I love them, but they make it hard to fit the double, with the inner 
>>> ring being 30T instead of 24T or 26T on a triple. 
>>> 123 mm axle was still not wide enough, so I'm looking for a wider axle.
>>> I love seeing the Toyo Atlantii. Enjoy!
>>> -Matthew, San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 It’s beautiful but the fabulous ride is what is most important. Many 
 happy miles to you and Atlantis. 

 On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 10:08:25 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Several months ago, a gentleman named NC Tom passed along a beautiful 
> 64cm Toyo Atlantis to me. As I was in Japan at the time, the frame, 
> expertly packed and shipped, waited for me at my Dad's place. 
>
> It is now summer in BC and the frame is now a full-fledged bike, built 
> mostly from parts laying around or 'borrowed' from my '94 Yeti ARC. I did 
> pick up a new rack and seatpost at BlueLug in Hatagaya before leaving 
> Japan, and I built some new wheels with some 25-year old Chris King hubs 
> that sing like the day I got 'em. The ride is zippy, nimble, responsive, 
> but most of all super comfortable. The paint is pristine and there are 
> some 
> exquisite details from the craftsmen at Toyo. A lovely Riv, indeed.
>
> Cheers to NC Tom!
>
> [image: ToyoAtlantis2005.jpeg]
>


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