[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Jay P]

You have at least two great options that are easy to find (with a little 
patience):

1)  Specialized Sequoia, earlier the better

Obvio.  For all the reasons.  But I think this is better :


2)  Trek 710 (1983 or before, earlier maybe better but not necessarily)  

I"m surprised these don't get higher prices as it is the perfect all around 
road bike -- Rivendells surely improve on them but

I've seen some frames/forks clear up to 700x40, but you need to triple 
confirm because sometimes just barely 35mm. Often already have rack mounts. 
 I've set up many people on these and almost uniformly superb riding bikes 
-- lively, fun, practical, probably supple.   If you're feeling flush, have 
a framebuilder improve it (downtube cable stops, better brake cable 
routing, 2nd and/or 3rd water bottle cage mounts (triple mount on seat tube 
for the King manything ti cage?), rear der. stop?) and get it powder coated 
or painted.   Phenomenal bikes.  I'm surprised we all aren't competing for 
these.  

+ make sure you have proper stem, handlebars, wheels, and tires

A nice 710 (without the framebuilding stuff) + parts (assuming you do the 
work + have some parts around) = maybe $500-800

Best value around !

Wishing you well 
Jay P.
Kauai 



 

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>
> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
> French sized parts? 
>
> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
> this query. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

[Patrick Moore]

And without the tyranny of the sweet technologies that were supposed to
bring us into  the post-modern promised land. (Expletive deleted.)

The tiffin wallahs are, if not an entire sub-caste, certainly the
equivalent of a national professional guild; their situation, wholly sans
IT and such unecessaries as writing, is professional and cooperative and
--- "sustainable."

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> The NY magazine is very interesting, thanks for posting the link.
>
> The bike messengers remind me of Washington DC in the 1980s.
>
> But they've been doing this in India for generations:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabbawala
>
> The politically incorrect term -- I gather from the Wikipedia entry -- is
> what I knew them as: tiffin wallahs. A hugely complex, very large-scale,
> multi-modal transportation  out and back operations, from thousands of
> individual homes to thousands of offices and back again, dailly, with each
> operator collecting dozens each of the tiffin boxes delivering them
> practically error free despite the operators' generall illiteracy. The
> first and last mile -- at least -- were by bicycle. Apparently you don't
> need to be literate to run or be a part of huge, successful organizations
> -- well, of course not!
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:53 PM John A. Bennett 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't watched this recently, so I can't remember if there is anything
>> that's not G-Rated,
>> language-wise, but it's a great "slice of life" from of bygone era. SF
>> locals will recognize a
>> young Erik Zo, the messenger bag guy.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EmbaZYRn8
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in
>>> NYC. Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They
>>> all ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction
>>> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery.
>>>
>>> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

[Patrick Moore]

The NY magazine is very interesting, thanks for posting the link.

The bike messengers remind me of Washington DC in the 1980s.

But they've been doing this in India for generations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabbawala

The politically incorrect term -- I gather from the Wikipedia entry -- is
what I knew them as: tiffin wallahs. A hugely complex, very large-scale,
multi-modal transportation  out and back operations, from thousands of
individual homes to thousands of offices and back again, dailly, with each
operator collecting dozens each of the tiffin boxes delivering them
practically error free despite the operators' generall illiteracy. The
first and last mile -- at least -- were by bicycle. Apparently you don't
need to be literate to run or be a part of huge, successful organizations
-- well, of course not!

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:53 PM John A. Bennett  wrote:

> I haven't watched this recently, so I can't remember if there is anything
> that's not G-Rated,
> language-wise, but it's a great "slice of life" from of bygone era. SF
> locals will recognize a
> young Erik Zo, the messenger bag guy.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EmbaZYRn8
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in NYC.
>> Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They all
>> ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction
>> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery.
>>
>> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: SunXCD cranks, Nitto posts/stems Compass Tires

[Brian Campbell]

*Pictures here:*
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z55XgXy1xH2jMPSZ6

*Crankset:*
Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun XCD Chainrings 170mm. 
$250. Chainring bolts to make it a double included. Can also run TA ProVis 
V rings as well, 50.4 BCD. Arms flair a bit so no issue with modern/shaped 
FD cages.
*Stems*
Ritchey Stem 1 1/8 100mm 31.8 silver $40
*Handle Bars*
Soma Portola (Never used) 26.0 $45
*Brakes*
Box One Min V brakes for standard road levers $85  


On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 3:17:20 PM UTC-4 Brian Campbell wrote:

>   Updated List
>
> *Pictures here:*
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z55XgXy1xH2jMPSZ6
>
> *Crankset:*
> Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun XCD Chainrings 170mm. 
> $250. Chainring bolts to make it a double included. Can also run TA ProVis 
> V rings as well, 50.4 BCD. Arms flair a bit so no issue with modern/shaped 
> FD cages.
> *Seat post*
> Thomson Elite 27.2 w/setback 27.2 250mm $55
> *Stems*
> Ritchey Stem 1 1/8 100mm 31.8 silver $40
> *Handle Bars*
> Soma Portola (Never used) 26.0 $45
> *Brakes*
> Box One Min V brakes for standard road levers $85  
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 4:53:54 PM UTC-4 Brian Campbell wrote:
>
>> Thanks to all who have purchased items. Here is an updated list:
>> *Pictures here:*
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z55XgXy1xH2jMPSZ6
>> *Updated*
>> *Cranksets:*
>> 1.Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun XCD Chainrings 
>> 170mm. $250 Chainring bolts to make it a double included.
>> *Seat posts*
>> 1. Thomson Masterpiece w/setback 27.2 250mm $65
>> 2.Thomson Elite 27.2 w/setback 27.2250mm  $75
>> *Stems*
>> Ritchey Stem 1 1/8 100mm 31.8 silver $40
>> *Handle Bars*
>> Soma Portola (Never used) 26.0 $45
>> *Tires-All 700c*
>> Vittoria Corsa Control Graphene 2.0 28mm $65
>> *Other*
>> Box One Min V brakes for standard road levers $95
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 10:04:33 AM UTC-4 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> Is the seat post the 250 or 300 length?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:07 AM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> *Updated*
>>> *Cranksets:*
>>> 1.Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun Chainrings 170mm. 
>>> $275 Chainring bolts to make it a double included.
>>> *Seat posts*
>>> 1. Lugged Nitto post 27.2  $140
>>>
>>> *Stems*
>>> Ritchey Stem 1 1/8 100mm 31.8 silver $40
>>>
>>> *Handle Bars*
>>>
>>> VO New Rando bar  31.8 44cm $45
>>> Soma Portola (Never used) 26.0 $45
>>>
>>> *Tires-All 700c*
>>> Compass Barlow Pass EL 38mm $100 (Black) Not tubless compatible, I think
>>> Vittoria Corsa Control Graphene 2.0 28mm $80
>>> *Other*
>>>
>>> Box One Min V brakes for standard road levers $125
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 8:03:56 PM UTC-4 Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
 *Updated*
 *Cranksets:*
 1.Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun Chainrings 
 170mm. $275 Chainring bolts to make it a double included.
 2. Sun XCD Triple 44/34/28 170mm arms. Included bolts to make if a 
 double. $275 
 (Stock dust caps).
 3. Sun XCD Triple 46/34/30 170mm arms. Included bolts to make if a 
 double. $275 (8mm crank bolts)

 *Seat posts*
 1. Lugged Nitto post 27.2  $140

 3. Thomson Elite $85 27.2
 4. Thomson Masterpiece $75 27.2

 *Stems*
 Ritchey Stem 1 1/8 100mm 31.8 silver $40
 Nitto Technomic Deluxe 26.0/100mm $50


 *Levers*
 Cane Creek Drop bar lever for V-brakes. Never used. $50


 *Handle Bars*
 Deda Zero 100 handle bars 31.8 46cm $45
 VO New Rando bar  31.8 44cm $45
 Soma Portola (Never used) 26.0 $45

 *Tires-All 700c*
 Compass Stampede Pass EL 32mm $115 (Black)
 Compass Stampede Pass EL 32mm $115 (Tan)
 Compass Barlow Pass EL 38mm $100 (Black) Not tubless compatible, I think
 Compass Barlow Pass EL 38mm $115 (Tan) Not tubless compatible, I think
 Panaracer Gravel King SK+ 38mm $75
 Vittoria Corsa Control Graphene 2.0 28mm $80
 *Other*

 Box One Min V brakes for standard road levers $125

 Please ask any questions.

 Brian Campbell
 Berwyn, PA

 On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 5:30:45 PM UTC-4 Brian Campbell wrote:

> Howdy all. 
>
> Selling off some extra things. All prices include shipping to the 
> lower 48 states via USPS. Looking to sell these items not currently 
> looking 
> for any trades.
>
> All payment through either Paypal (Friends and Family or you cover 
> fees for other payment options) or Venmo.
>
> Happy to do a local pick up for anyone close by. I am and my whole 
> family are fully vaccinated.
>
> Please follow the link for pictures:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z55XgXy1xH2jMPSZ6
>
> *Cranksets:*
> 1.Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun Chainrings 
> 170mm. $275 Chainring bolts to make it a double included.
> 2. Sun XCD Triple 44/34/28 170mm a

[RBW] Re: FT/FS: 61cm Rivendell Hunqapillar Frameset

[Rick Urbanowski]

I wish you were closer to me, I would love to through a leg. Good luck! 
Cool, cool, cool bike
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 4:17:51 PM UTC-4 Miles wrote:

> Oh n! Sad to see this one go, but you gotta listen to your heart. 
>
> For anyone potentially considering, this frame is in great shape and Jared 
> is a stand up guy. Buy with confidence. 
>
> - Miles, who bought Jared’s previous Susie and is thus partially 
> responsible for this predicament. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:54:57 AM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Whoops, correction, 62cm!!
>>
>> And forgot price, depends on parts included but lets say $1400 for 
>> frame/fork/headest/bb/Thomson seat post.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:49:17 AM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all
>>>
>>> Got this frameset from a group member a couple months back and after 
>>> serious consideration I've accepted that it's just a hair too tall for me.
>>>
>>> The Hunqapillar is *in* *theory* my dream Rivendell, but *in practice* 
>>> the 61cm is just too large and a little "too much bike" for the kind of 
>>> riding I do.
>>>
>>> Frame is in awesome condition sans some chain suck that was sanded and 
>>> clear coated by PO, otherwise just average wear and tear.
>>>
>>> Continuing the hunt for the right frameset I'd be interested in a *60cm 
>>> Cheviot/ Platypus or XL Susie. *
>>>
>>> Gonna be in the Bay Area with the bike Wednesday (today) - Friday incase 
>>> someone is interested in a trade or sale somewhere between SLO and SF.
>>>
>>> Shoot me an email and lets figure some stuff out, I have some parts I'd 
>>> like to keep with the frame (Thomson seat post, FSA headset, Shimano BB?, 
>>> and probably the Paul cantis) so lets make a deal.
>>>
>>> Thanks and happy trails!
>>>
>>> Jared
>>> Somewhere on the US-101
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3956.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

[John A. Bennett]

I haven't watched this recently, so I can't remember if there is anything 
that's not G-Rated,
language-wise, but it's a great "slice of life" from of bygone era. SF 
locals will recognize a
young Erik Zo, the messenger bag guy. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EmbaZYRn8

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in NYC. 
> Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They all 
> ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 
>
> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell SimipleOne

[Doug H.]

I'm in need of gears so am letting go of my 56 cm SimpleOne. Details:
56 cm frame (32 inch standover)
Sugino Crankset with 39 inch chainring
Shimano 18 tooth freewheel
Mavic CXP Elite 32 spoke wheels with Formula Hubs
New 38 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SL blackwall tires (not pictured)
Shimano DXR V-Brakes with Origin8 levers (new cables and housing)
Rivendell ChocoMoose handlebars with Oury grips and Newbaums tape
Connex nickel plated chain
Sneaker Pedals
Bell mounted to handlebars (not pictured)

Note: If you don't like the bars I have a set of Nitto bars with slight 
sweep back mounted to a Nitto Technomic stem

Photos 

$1,200 plus shipping from Athens, Ga
Doug Hansford

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Incoming Frame Schedule

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Bummer!  I'm beginning to feel the need for an Appaloosa again.
On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 11:04:57 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Update from 9/13/21 Riv Newsletter:
>
> Clem L Completes 99 bikes: Shipping late September - delivery mid to late 
> October. There's not enough room in the container to fit the 47.5 and 51cm 
> Homers.
>
> Homers in 47.5 through 64cm 146 frames: Shipping from Taiwan the second 
> week of October - delivery early to mid November.
>
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> That's the one I was looking for! Thanks Mathieu!
>>
>> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:23:16 AM UTC-4 mathie...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning Tim, 
>>>
>>> The Most recent update that I recall seeing is from Aug 6th, 
>>>
>>> I’ve attached the body of the email below 
>>>
>>> Early AugustI wrote in an earlier update about how our production is 
>>> shaping up for next year and how it's looking like we're going to have a 
>>> repeat of this year with many of our frame orders placed over a year ago 
>>> getting pushed all the way to 2023.
>>>
>>> The situation is obviously serious either way, but I have a suspicion 
>>> and hope that our people in Taiwan are doing what we* try *to do here 
>>> (it doesn't always work out) which is underpromise and overdeliver; or 
>>> maybe they're just preparing us for the absolute worst scenario and it 
>>> won't end up being that bad. I'm allowed to hope!
>>>
>>> Here's an example of what it's like now: I placed two orders in June 
>>> each for 1200 Alex DM21 rims and they told me the current ETA for the first 
>>> order is July 2023, and the second order is March 202*4.* How could 
>>> that be? Do they really have that many unfufilled orders? It's hard to wrap 
>>> my head around it.
>>>
>>> If the current production schedule is accurate, we're getting less than 
>>> half of what we planned for. This means more instant frame sell-outs, 
>>> reduced dealer sales, and increased prices. The alternative is laying off 
>>> employees, reducing hours, or possibly not making it to 2023.
>>>
>>> That all sounds bad and worrisome, but recently I stumbled across some 
>>> entries from Grant's progress reports in the early Riv Readers. The 
>>> problems then were absolutely worse; Riv was on the cusp of out-of-business 
>>> for years. If you feel like it, you can read through some of those in the 
>>> early 
>>> Readers here 
>>> ,
>>>  
>>> but they're stressful, even 20 years later. At least now we have enough 
>>> momentum to clear the hurdles - We're not Dalilah Muhammad, but we're doing 
>>> OK.
>>>
>>> Here are some updated frame ETAs, with a major emphasis on the E. They 
>>> don't account for port strikes or congestion, Covid shut downs, or Suez 
>>> Canal type jam-ups. Also, we won't make the frames live on the site the day 
>>> we receive the container. If we're still working on the shipment that came 
>>> before, we'll wait awhile before making them available to buy. All these 
>>> dates below can change and sometimes drastically.
>>>
>>> *Clem L framesets, 45 frames*: delivery is imminent, like next week.
>>>
>>> *Homers in 47.5 and 51, 48 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in early 
>>> September - delivery mid to late the same month.
>>>
>>> *Clem L Completes 99 bikes: *Shipping with the small Homers above.
>>>
>>> *Homers in 54.5, 58, 61.5 and 64cm, 98 frames: *Shipping from Taiwan in 
>>> early October - delivery mid to late the same month.
>>>
>>> *Gus and Susie - 130 frames: *Shipping sometime in November, arrival 
>>> early December. If they get delayed we may push them into 2022.
>>>
>>> *Rosco Platypus: *Unknown ETA - we're still waiting on samples.
>>>
>>> That brings us to 2022 and the only confirmed deliveries we have are:
>>>
>>> *Atlantis - 150 frames: *Slated to ship from Taiwan in January, with 
>>> arrival late that month or early the next.
>>>
>>> *Platypus - 226 frames: *Delivery in March.
>>>
>>> *Sam Hillbornes - 209 frames: *Delivery in April.
>>>
>>> The rest of our orders, most of which we placed in September 2020, have 
>>> been pushed back to 2023. We're still waiting to hear for sure what we can 
>>> get from our other frame maker - so far all they've said is that they'll 
>>> try their hardest to get us Homers in July '22, but no word yet on 
>>> Roadunos, Roadinis, and Gus-n-Susies, which they also make.
>>>
>>> We also have a couple projects in the works, here's the scoop:
>>>
>>> *Jim Rear Rack: *Delivery in early October.
>>>
>>> *Slim Jim Goat Gloves: *Late this month
>>>
>>> *Microshift front derailers: *Late this month - these will work on all 
>>> our bikes.
>>>
>>> *Microshift thumbies: *Sometime in September.
>>>
>>> *Silver2 Thumb mounts: *Late this month - the shifters are in stock now.
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have the latest inb

Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Mathieu Brown]

Not sure what your size is (and I get the search for a nice long chainstay)
 but might I suggest some lower-model Waterford Treks?

I'm riding a 1983 Trek 620 (which was, unfortunately, listed as a 720) and
an even older Trek TX500 that can fit a 700c X 38 tire without fenders.
They ride great, I think - though not as nice as a Waterford AHH

Nothing I know-of that's older is going to have those Trek 720/728
chainstays though - mine are only a 44mm

And while the prices aren't nearly as crazy for the lower models in
smaller sizes (just running a quick ebay search), as Matt noted, prices are
still going up 

Best of luck,

MATHIEU BROWN



On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:17 PM Yankeebird  wrote:

> Oh these are all great, thank you. I mention the Roadini because to my
> eye, it mimics a lot of the older touring bikes. The Roadini chainstays are
> not uber-long, but a bit longer than a tighter bike, and tubing is not
> ultralight, but a bit beefier. To my amateur eye, seems somewhat comparable
> to bikes like the 720 or Passage that had slightly longer chainstays and
> slightly heavier tubing. Sure, the descriptions might be different, the
> Roadini is more "Riv-Racey" and the 720/Passage are serious touring
> machines in their era... I wouldn't think that a 720/Passage would ride as
> stiffly as an unloaded Long Haul Trucker, for instance.
>
> Am I wrong?
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 4:31:31 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> I've been counseling a friend on CL bike, pointing him to a Univega Sport
>> Tour, or Gran Sprint (champion 1 vs 2 and mangaloy), early
>> Miyatas-Centurion-Fuji-Nishiki crowd, the usual UJB selections. He found a
>> Jamis Axis, still to be checked out. Looks like a Tange Infinity sticker on
>> the seat tube. UJBs seem to be a better bargain now than low or medium
>> grade 531 bikes, but the prices are all over the map. Also check out the
>> Schwinn Tenax trinity of Circuit-Tempo-Peloton. Less tire clearance but
>> under the radar bikes too.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport
>>> originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment on
>>> the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires,
>>> maybe 38.
>>>
>>> I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with a
>>> bad headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often lived
>>> a harder life.
>>>
>>> Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the
>>> Trek 720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really
>>> comparable to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such,
>>> was suggesting 80s sport touring bikes.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for
 27" wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully converted three such
 frames to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes.  I'm 6'5" and
 because of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely
 opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions
 essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a
 Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam.  Mine are all lower end models with
 non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models
 with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes.

 A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames
 you find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown
 race (vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common)  One of my many
 lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer.  Not an issue if
 you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with
 the stock fork, of course.

 My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of
 acquisition:)

 '87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh
 'DeLuxe' import from Denmark.

 The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike
 tinkering.  Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was
 admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast
 piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and
 smashed/bent for steerer clearance.  '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by
 Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame
 size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops
 but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway.

 It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side.
 Both of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, t

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Yankeebird]

Oh these are all great, thank you. I mention the Roadini because to my eye, 
it mimics a lot of the older touring bikes. The Roadini chainstays are not 
uber-long, but a bit longer than a tighter bike, and tubing is not 
ultralight, but a bit beefier. To my amateur eye, seems somewhat comparable 
to bikes like the 720 or Passage that had slightly longer chainstays and 
slightly heavier tubing. Sure, the descriptions might be different, the 
Roadini is more "Riv-Racey" and the 720/Passage are serious touring 
machines in their era... I wouldn't think that a 720/Passage would ride as 
stiffly as an unloaded Long Haul Trucker, for instance. 

Am I wrong?

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 4:31:31 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> I've been counseling a friend on CL bike, pointing him to a Univega Sport 
> Tour, or Gran Sprint (champion 1 vs 2 and mangaloy), early 
> Miyatas-Centurion-Fuji-Nishiki crowd, the usual UJB selections. He found a 
> Jamis Axis, still to be checked out. Looks like a Tange Infinity sticker on 
> the seat tube. UJBs seem to be a better bargain now than low or medium 
> grade 531 bikes, but the prices are all over the map. Also check out the 
> Schwinn Tenax trinity of Circuit-Tempo-Peloton. Less tire clearance but 
> under the radar bikes too.
>
> Mike SLO CA 
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote 
> wrote:
>
>> Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport 
>> originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment on 
>> the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires, 
>> maybe 38. 
>>
>> I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with a 
>> bad headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often lived 
>> a harder life.
>>
>> Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the 
>> Trek 720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really 
>> comparable to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such, 
>> was suggesting 80s sport touring bikes. 
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for 
>>> 27" wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully converted three such 
>>> frames to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes.  I'm 6'5" and 
>>> because of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely 
>>> opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions 
>>> essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a 
>>> Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam.  Mine are all lower end models with 
>>> non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models 
>>> with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes.
>>>
>>> A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames 
>>> you find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown 
>>> race (vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common)  One of my many 
>>> lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer.  Not an issue if 
>>> you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with 
>>> the stock fork, of course.
>>>
>>> My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of 
>>> acquisition:)
>>>
>>> '87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh 
>>> 'DeLuxe' import from Denmark.
>>>
>>> The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike 
>>> tinkering.  Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was 
>>> admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast 
>>> piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and 
>>> smashed/bent for steerer clearance.  '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by 
>>> Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame 
>>> size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops 
>>> but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway.
>>>
>>> It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side.  
>>> Both of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, typical 
>>> 68mm british bottom bracket shells.  '87 had semi-horizontal dropouts with 
>>> derailer tab and downtube lever bosses with bolt on under bottom bracket 
>>> cable guide.  The earlier '83 Traveler has no derailer tab and clamp on 
>>> downtube shifter bosses, and brazed on cable guides on the top of the BB 
>>> shell.  I picked up a bolt on derailer mount to eventually be able to run a 
>>> multispeed wheel from the wheel I had upgraded on the '87 Schwinn but 
>>> otherwise have been running the '83 as a single speed/Quickbeam substitute 
>>> in the interim and had considered making this a IGH build instead with the 
>>> lack of derailer tab and brazed on BB cable guide... also as a 3spd 
>>> replacement since my mystery 

[RBW] Re: September 10 Blahg, drive train gearing development

[Patrick Moore]

I've read about recent bb area gearboxes -- I've read the same article
about Shimano's, which is very interesting, relying on chains and
cassettes; I wonder if that means less internal drag than a bunch of
cogwheels in a tight space, especially epicyclic gears?

But although these "occasional use" wheels are starting to become "main
wheels" -- my original thoughts for hub gears were as occasional
alternatives to fixed wheels, since my hill climbing and headwind abilities
are not what the once were, and the AM wheel is now quasi permanent on the
Matthews 2:1 -- I do like riding with very few but well selected gears, and
these hubs each n their own way provide that.

I understand Grant's fear of "black box" derailleur systems; I much prefer
cables and no detents for my derailleurs. But somehow I do like riding
gears with minimal range and presence all contained nicely in a rear hub.

On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 10:45 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Grant spoke of * the SRAM-SHIMANO cogs race that, you should know, is
> going to culminate in an internal drive train that will be the end of the
> obvious mechanical bicycle in..ten years?*
>
> I like Grant's preference for simplicity, but I also think that there are
> huge undeveloped possibilities in hub gear drivetrains that will re-connect
> us with an ancient line of  drivetrain development that started
> commercially in the 1880s -- there were earlier experiments -- and that
> Sturmey Archer continued with its dozens of models until the 1950s.
>
> Since then, development has been aimed at the utility market, except for
> Rohloff, but I think there are great possiblities for better designed and
> better made hub gears with more intelligent gear spreads and greater
> reliability and lower drag.
>
> Note that IVT claims 97% efficiency for its CVT hub gear.
>
> Patrick Moore, who expects a Sturmey Archer TC in the mail on Tuesday (2
> speed fixed with direct high and 86.54% underdrive, 76" and 66"), and who
> also has AMs (3 speed freewheel: 111.5% overdrive, direct, 86.54%
> underdrive, 72-65-56) and a TF (2 speed fixed, direct and 75% underdrive,
> 72", 54").
>
>
>
> that more or less dead-ended in the 1960s, with some exceptions like
> Rohloff and Nuvinci
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>


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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Mike Godwin]

I've been counseling a friend on CL bike, pointing him to a Univega Sport 
Tour, or Gran Sprint (champion 1 vs 2 and mangaloy), early 
Miyatas-Centurion-Fuji-Nishiki crowd, the usual UJB selections. He found a 
Jamis Axis, still to be checked out. Looks like a Tange Infinity sticker on 
the seat tube. UJBs seem to be a better bargain now than low or medium 
grade 531 bikes, but the prices are all over the map. Also check out the 
Schwinn Tenax trinity of Circuit-Tempo-Peloton. Less tire clearance but 
under the radar bikes too.

Mike SLO CA 

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote wrote:

> Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport 
> originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment on 
> the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires, 
> maybe 38. 
>
> I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with a 
> bad headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often lived 
> a harder life.
>
> Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the 
> Trek 720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really 
> comparable to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such, 
> was suggesting 80s sport touring bikes. 
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
> wrote:
>
>> You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for 
>> 27" wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully converted three such 
>> frames to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes.  I'm 6'5" and 
>> because of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely 
>> opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions 
>> essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a 
>> Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam.  Mine are all lower end models with 
>> non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models 
>> with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes.
>>
>> A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames 
>> you find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown 
>> race (vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common)  One of my many 
>> lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer.  Not an issue if 
>> you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with 
>> the stock fork, of course.
>>
>> My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of 
>> acquisition:)
>>
>> '87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh 
>> 'DeLuxe' import from Denmark.
>>
>> The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike 
>> tinkering.  Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was 
>> admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast 
>> piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and 
>> smashed/bent for steerer clearance.  '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by 
>> Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame 
>> size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops 
>> but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway.
>>
>> It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side.  
>> Both of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, typical 
>> 68mm british bottom bracket shells.  '87 had semi-horizontal dropouts with 
>> derailer tab and downtube lever bosses with bolt on under bottom bracket 
>> cable guide.  The earlier '83 Traveler has no derailer tab and clamp on 
>> downtube shifter bosses, and brazed on cable guides on the top of the BB 
>> shell.  I picked up a bolt on derailer mount to eventually be able to run a 
>> multispeed wheel from the wheel I had upgraded on the '87 Schwinn but 
>> otherwise have been running the '83 as a single speed/Quickbeam substitute 
>> in the interim and had considered making this a IGH build instead with the 
>> lack of derailer tab and brazed on BB cable guide... also as a 3spd 
>> replacement since my mystery Raleigh project completely caught me by 
>> surprise.
>>
>> I won't get into the weeds with this one here since it's not necessarily 
>> relevant to your search but The Raleigh was bought cheap with little more 
>> than a few photos showing a large frame with locking fork.  It was intended 
>> to be a frame replacement/upsize to just move a typical 3sp build from a 
>> too small 21" frame Raleigh Sports into the larger frame I found.  Turns 
>> out the frame was even larger than I initially thought and easily fits 
>> 700x35 - likely 38mm with fender if I could add some clearance to the 
>> chainstays, but vertical clearance with current 35mm and Tektro brakes is 
>> nearly 2cm.  I've essentially made this my commuter/lock-up/basket bike (I 
>> don't have a commute but this is the one I grab for any utility ridin

Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I love a good cockamamie idea that takes shape and becomes more than one 
ever thought it would.  I am off to locate the blog and book now.
Kate (who read an article at 3AM in the middle of her night shift about 
riding across Iowa and thought that was a good idea and then went and 
bought a hybrid bike and went and rode the 500 miles with no training or 
prep...wearing mens bike shorts that she added kotex pads to because 500 
miles is a lot of miles in one week)!!!

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 10:37:18 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:

> Seeing the tropical disease problem in Africa sounds credible.  When I saw 
> him, he'd been down Africa & up South America.  Plenty of time to develop 
> an idea.  He had a fairly polished presentation so he may have been 
> drumming up interest in his project as he went.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:55:48 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> He meets up in the pub six years later, "Well boys, I was almost eaten by 
>> an alligator and shot by rebels, but I did it."
>>
>> "We were kidding, mate." 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:48:05 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> He had to leave, his drunken mates said "I double dog dare you" or some 
>>> equivalent in London-ish.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:37:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Most people who have a harebrained idea in a pub with their buddies 
 after 6 pints sober up the next day and decide it's a ridiculous idea! 
 🍻🍻🍻🤣



 On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:31:32 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I think it’s fun to discuss. Carry on, people!
>
> I also got the impression Stephen (whose name I misspelled in the 
> original post, argh) just DID it. I haven’t purchased the book yet, but I 
> listened to his story on the podcast and he seemed to have just come to 
> the 
> conclusion that cycling around the world was something he should do. Of 
> course this was after his 6th pint. In a pub. With his buddies. 🤣
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I suspect you're both probably right, you've heard the gentleman 
> speak over the years whereas his journey is new to me. I just read the 
> Prolologue again and got the same impression as before, he just NEEDED to 
> go. This is how this section ends: 
>
>
> [At times, I wondered why leaving home felt like such an obvious 
> decision at all. Now, I think I was simply longing for a less certain 
> future. And uncertainty, whether in life or bike rides, is the heart and 
> soul of any journey.]
>
> Anyway, at this point my interest and excitement about what this is 
> all about iis bordering on a distraction from Leah's reasons for the 
> thread 
> so I'll stop my ruminating. It's a good book! Go read it! 
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 4:50:33 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> What I got from the blog was that he was an ER doctor.  He didn't 
>> start specializing in tropical diseases until he actually was on the 
>> tour.
>> He got some whiff of it in Africa, but it was the trip up from 
>> Indonesia-Maylaysia-India that rubbed his nose in it.
>> It's been 5 years since I read the blog - somebody read the book and 
>> tell me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> At the start, he was feeling burned out at work, was in a pub with 
>> his mates, and after a couple of pints decided to bike around the world.
>> He went back to the hospital, took a leave of absence, got a bike, 
>> made sure his mother was being cared for, and headed out into Europe.
>> So I think the answer was "Because he said he was going to, that 
>> evening at the pub."
>>
>> NOW he's a doctor specializing in tropical diseases, after actually 
>> seeing how medicine worked in some of the places he biked through.  But 
>> I 
>> do not believe he was when he started.
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[RBW] Re: FT/FS: 61cm Rivendell Hunqapillar Frameset

[Miles]

Oh n! Sad to see this one go, but you gotta listen to your heart. 

For anyone potentially considering, this frame is in great shape and Jared 
is a stand up guy. Buy with confidence. 

- Miles, who bought Jared’s previous Susie and is thus partially 
responsible for this predicament. 

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:54:57 AM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Whoops, correction, 62cm!!
>
> And forgot price, depends on parts included but lets say $1400 for 
> frame/fork/headest/bb/Thomson seat post.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:49:17 AM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hello all
>>
>> Got this frameset from a group member a couple months back and after 
>> serious consideration I've accepted that it's just a hair too tall for me.
>>
>> The Hunqapillar is *in* *theory* my dream Rivendell, but *in practice* 
>> the 61cm is just too large and a little "too much bike" for the kind of 
>> riding I do.
>>
>> Frame is in awesome condition sans some chain suck that was sanded and 
>> clear coated by PO, otherwise just average wear and tear.
>>
>> Continuing the hunt for the right frameset I'd be interested in a *60cm 
>> Cheviot/ Platypus or XL Susie. *
>>
>> Gonna be in the Bay Area with the bike Wednesday (today) - Friday incase 
>> someone is interested in a trade or sale somewhere between SLO and SF.
>>
>> Shoot me an email and lets figure some stuff out, I have some parts I'd 
>> like to keep with the frame (Thomson seat post, FSA headset, Shimano BB?, 
>> and probably the Paul cantis) so lets make a deal.
>>
>> Thanks and happy trails!
>>
>> Jared
>> Somewhere on the US-101
>>
>> [image: IMG_3956.JPG]
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Christopher Cote]

Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport 
originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment on 
the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires, 
maybe 38. 

I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with a bad 
headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often lived a 
harder life.

Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the Trek 
720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really comparable 
to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such, was 
suggesting 80s sport touring bikes. 

Chris


On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
wrote:

> You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for 
> 27" wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully converted three such 
> frames to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes.  I'm 6'5" and 
> because of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely 
> opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions 
> essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a 
> Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam.  Mine are all lower end models with 
> non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models 
> with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes.
>
> A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames 
> you find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown 
> race (vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common)  One of my many 
> lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer.  Not an issue if 
> you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with 
> the stock fork, of course.
>
> My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of acquisition:)
>
> '87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh 
> 'DeLuxe' import from Denmark.
>
> The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike 
> tinkering.  Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was 
> admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast 
> piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and 
> smashed/bent for steerer clearance.  '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by 
> Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame 
> size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops 
> but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway.
>
> It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side.  Both 
> of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, typical 68mm 
> british bottom bracket shells.  '87 had semi-horizontal dropouts with 
> derailer tab and downtube lever bosses with bolt on under bottom bracket 
> cable guide.  The earlier '83 Traveler has no derailer tab and clamp on 
> downtube shifter bosses, and brazed on cable guides on the top of the BB 
> shell.  I picked up a bolt on derailer mount to eventually be able to run a 
> multispeed wheel from the wheel I had upgraded on the '87 Schwinn but 
> otherwise have been running the '83 as a single speed/Quickbeam substitute 
> in the interim and had considered making this a IGH build instead with the 
> lack of derailer tab and brazed on BB cable guide... also as a 3spd 
> replacement since my mystery Raleigh project completely caught me by 
> surprise.
>
> I won't get into the weeds with this one here since it's not necessarily 
> relevant to your search but The Raleigh was bought cheap with little more 
> than a few photos showing a large frame with locking fork.  It was intended 
> to be a frame replacement/upsize to just move a typical 3sp build from a 
> too small 21" frame Raleigh Sports into the larger frame I found.  Turns 
> out the frame was even larger than I initially thought and easily fits 
> 700x35 - likely 38mm with fender if I could add some clearance to the 
> chainstays, but vertical clearance with current 35mm and Tektro brakes is 
> nearly 2cm.  I've essentially made this my commuter/lock-up/basket bike (I 
> don't have a commute but this is the one I grab for any utility riding.)
>
> Probably worth checking out any local co-ops or bike kitchens in your 
> area.  Central New Jersey area has Second Life Bikes in Asbury Park and in 
> Trenton there is the Boys and Girls Club Bike Exchange that both run on 
> donations/volunteer support. I used to have an office within a 15min ride 
> of Second Life Bikes in Asbury where I'd make an occasional lunch hour trip 
> to both drop off parts donations or dig through the parts bins for anything 
> specific in need (and successfully found necessary seatposts/stems/levers 
> on several occasions plus the 27" '83 Schwinn I just happened to spot 
> hanging in the rafters one day.)
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>
> On Wednesday, Sep

[RBW] FS: brand new unopened NITTO S-65 Silver Crystal seatpost 27.0

[Andrew Turner]

I ordered a brand new S-65 seatpost straight from Japan but I've got buyers 
remorse. Willing to sell to avoid sending it back. Here's the full list o' 
details: 
NITTO S-65 Silver Crystal Fellow Seatpost Pillar 300 mm S65 27.0 L300 F/S 
wTrack  

$95 and I'll pay for shipping (CONUS) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: SunXCD cranks, Nitto posts/stems Compass Tires

[Brian Campbell]

  Updated List

*Pictures here:*
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z55XgXy1xH2jMPSZ6

*Crankset:*
Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun XCD Chainrings 170mm. 
$250. Chainring bolts to make it a double included. Can also run TA ProVis 
V rings as well, 50.4 BCD. Arms flair a bit so no issue with modern/shaped 
FD cages.
*Seat post*
Thomson Elite 27.2 w/setback 27.2 250mm $55
*Stems*
Ritchey Stem 1 1/8 100mm 31.8 silver $40
*Handle Bars*
Soma Portola (Never used) 26.0 $45
*Brakes*
Box One Min V brakes for standard road levers $85  

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 4:53:54 PM UTC-4 Brian Campbell wrote:

> Thanks to all who have purchased items. Here is an updated list:
> *Pictures here:*
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z55XgXy1xH2jMPSZ6
> *Updated*
> *Cranksets:*
> 1.Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun XCD Chainrings 
> 170mm. $250 Chainring bolts to make it a double included.
> *Seat posts*
> 1. Thomson Masterpiece w/setback 27.2 250mm $65
> 2.Thomson Elite 27.2 w/setback 27.2250mm  $75
> *Stems*
> Ritchey Stem 1 1/8 100mm 31.8 silver $40
> *Handle Bars*
> Soma Portola (Never used) 26.0 $45
> *Tires-All 700c*
> Vittoria Corsa Control Graphene 2.0 28mm $65
> *Other*
> Box One Min V brakes for standard road levers $95
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 10:04:33 AM UTC-4 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> Is the seat post the 250 or 300 length?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:07 AM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> *Updated*
>> *Cranksets:*
>> 1.Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun Chainrings 170mm. 
>> $275 Chainring bolts to make it a double included.
>> *Seat posts*
>> 1. Lugged Nitto post 27.2  $140
>>
>> *Stems*
>> Ritchey Stem 1 1/8 100mm 31.8 silver $40
>>
>> *Handle Bars*
>>
>> VO New Rando bar  31.8 44cm $45
>> Soma Portola (Never used) 26.0 $45
>>
>> *Tires-All 700c*
>> Compass Barlow Pass EL 38mm $100 (Black) Not tubless compatible, I think
>> Vittoria Corsa Control Graphene 2.0 28mm $80
>> *Other*
>>
>> Box One Min V brakes for standard road levers $125
>>
>> On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 8:03:56 PM UTC-4 Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>>> *Updated*
>>> *Cranksets:*
>>> 1.Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun Chainrings 170mm. 
>>> $275 Chainring bolts to make it a double included.
>>> 2. Sun XCD Triple 44/34/28 170mm arms. Included bolts to make if a 
>>> double. $275 
>>> (Stock dust caps).
>>> 3. Sun XCD Triple 46/34/30 170mm arms. Included bolts to make if a 
>>> double. $275 (8mm crank bolts)
>>>
>>> *Seat posts*
>>> 1. Lugged Nitto post 27.2  $140
>>>
>>> 3. Thomson Elite $85 27.2
>>> 4. Thomson Masterpiece $75 27.2
>>>
>>> *Stems*
>>> Ritchey Stem 1 1/8 100mm 31.8 silver $40
>>> Nitto Technomic Deluxe 26.0/100mm $50
>>>
>>>
>>> *Levers*
>>> Cane Creek Drop bar lever for V-brakes. Never used. $50
>>>
>>>
>>> *Handle Bars*
>>> Deda Zero 100 handle bars 31.8 46cm $45
>>> VO New Rando bar  31.8 44cm $45
>>> Soma Portola (Never used) 26.0 $45
>>>
>>> *Tires-All 700c*
>>> Compass Stampede Pass EL 32mm $115 (Black)
>>> Compass Stampede Pass EL 32mm $115 (Tan)
>>> Compass Barlow Pass EL 38mm $100 (Black) Not tubless compatible, I think
>>> Compass Barlow Pass EL 38mm $115 (Tan) Not tubless compatible, I think
>>> Panaracer Gravel King SK+ 38mm $75
>>> Vittoria Corsa Control Graphene 2.0 28mm $80
>>> *Other*
>>>
>>> Box One Min V brakes for standard road levers $125
>>>
>>> Please ask any questions.
>>>
>>> Brian Campbell
>>> Berwyn, PA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 5:30:45 PM UTC-4 Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
 Howdy all. 

 Selling off some extra things. All prices include shipping to the lower 
 48 states via USPS. Looking to sell these items not currently looking for 
 any trades.

 All payment through either Paypal (Friends and Family or you cover fees 
 for other payment options) or Venmo.

 Happy to do a local pick up for anyone close by. I am and my whole 
 family are fully vaccinated.

 Please follow the link for pictures:

 https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z55XgXy1xH2jMPSZ6

 *Cranksets:*
 1.Electra Ticino Crank arms (Made by FSA) 44/34/30 Sun Chainrings 
 170mm. $275 Chainring bolts to make it a double included.
 2. Sun XCD Triple 44/34/28 170mm arms. Included bolts to make if a 
 double. $275 
 (Stock dust caps).
 3. Sun XCD Triple 46/34/30 170mm arms. Included bolts to make if a 
 double. $275 (8mm crank bolts)

 *Seat posts*
 1. Lugged Nitto post 27.2  $140
 2. Nitto 65 27.2 $55
 3. Thomson Elite $85 27.2
 4. Thomson Masterpiece $75 27.2

 *Stems*
 Ritchey Stem 1 1/8 100mm 31.8 silver $40
 Nitto Technomic Deluxe 26.0/100mm $50
 Nitto Dirt Drop stem 100mm/26.0 $60

 *Levers*
 Cane Creek Drop bar lever for V-brakes. Never used. $50
 Tektro TRP Road levers $55

 *Handle Bars*
 Deda Zero 100 handle bars 31.8 46cm $45
 VO New Rando bar  31.8 44cm $45
 Soma

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for 27" 
wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully converted three such frames 
to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes.  I'm 6'5" and because 
of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely 
opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions 
essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a 
Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam.  Mine are all lower end models with 
non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models 
with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes.

A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames you 
find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown race 
(vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common)  One of my many 
lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer.  Not an issue if 
you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with 
the stock fork, of course.

My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of acquisition:)

'87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh 
'DeLuxe' import from Denmark.

The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike 
tinkering.  Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was 
admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast 
piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and 
smashed/bent for steerer clearance.  '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by 
Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame 
size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops 
but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway.

It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side.  Both 
of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, typical 68mm 
british bottom bracket shells.  '87 had semi-horizontal dropouts with 
derailer tab and downtube lever bosses with bolt on under bottom bracket 
cable guide.  The earlier '83 Traveler has no derailer tab and clamp on 
downtube shifter bosses, and brazed on cable guides on the top of the BB 
shell.  I picked up a bolt on derailer mount to eventually be able to run a 
multispeed wheel from the wheel I had upgraded on the '87 Schwinn but 
otherwise have been running the '83 as a single speed/Quickbeam substitute 
in the interim and had considered making this a IGH build instead with the 
lack of derailer tab and brazed on BB cable guide... also as a 3spd 
replacement since my mystery Raleigh project completely caught me by 
surprise.

I won't get into the weeds with this one here since it's not necessarily 
relevant to your search but The Raleigh was bought cheap with little more 
than a few photos showing a large frame with locking fork.  It was intended 
to be a frame replacement/upsize to just move a typical 3sp build from a 
too small 21" frame Raleigh Sports into the larger frame I found.  Turns 
out the frame was even larger than I initially thought and easily fits 
700x35 - likely 38mm with fender if I could add some clearance to the 
chainstays, but vertical clearance with current 35mm and Tektro brakes is 
nearly 2cm.  I've essentially made this my commuter/lock-up/basket bike (I 
don't have a commute but this is the one I grab for any utility riding.)

Probably worth checking out any local co-ops or bike kitchens in your 
area.  Central New Jersey area has Second Life Bikes in Asbury Park and in 
Trenton there is the Boys and Girls Club Bike Exchange that both run on 
donations/volunteer support. I used to have an office within a 15min ride 
of Second Life Bikes in Asbury where I'd make an occasional lunch hour trip 
to both drop off parts donations or dig through the parts bins for anything 
specific in need (and successfully found necessary seatposts/stems/levers 
on several occasions plus the 27" '83 Schwinn I just happened to spot 
hanging in the rafters one day.)

Best of luck!

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
> bike and it's an incredib

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Christopher Cote]

Look for a Univega. I have a Viva Sport that is eerily similar to my 
Rambouillet. Like within a few mm in most dimensions. It's a little 
heavier, not as well made, and not made from as nice steel, but it still 
rides really nicely. Gobs of tire clearance, and horizontal dropouts for 
IGH (or singlespeed) use. Not all Univegas are Riv-like, so do your 
homework and measure carefully. You want something from the sport-touring 
section of the spectrum. Not a loaded tourer, or a racy criterium-style 
bike.

Bridgestones, of course are a lot like a Roadini. The RB series is almost 
always overpriced on the used market due to the cult status, and tire 
clearance is not as good. The older numeric series bikes may have some like 
my Univega, but I'm not an expert on those models.

Late 90s and early 'oughts Lemonds are really good, too. Tire clearance 
will be an issue, though.

Really, any 80s UJB (universal Japanese bike) like Miyata, Nishiki, 
Centurion, etc will have promise. Look at things like tire clearance, does 
it use standard (not short) reach brakes, measure the seat tube and head 
tube angles with an angle finder app on your phone, and pick a good one. 
Good luck!

Chris


On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>
> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
> French sized parts? 
>
> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
> this query. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Doug H.]

Here is a Trek 720 but not sure about the size. I needs TLC. I'm not the 
owner nor do I know the owner but saw it on local Craigslist.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/d/smyrna-trek-and-schwinn-one-or-both/7372107618.html
Doug

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:13:54 PM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:

> As a Trek 720 owner, I am in agreement with market prices for them.  It is 
> a very nice bike.  I converted mine to 700c and found it nice enough to 
> eventually add dynamo lighting.  I also would not think it is like the 
> Roadini, though I admit I have not ridden one.  I imagine the Roadini is 
> going to feel quite a bit faster.  
>
> If you are looking for something similar to the Trek 720, but sells for 
> less, try Miyata 6xx or Fuji Touring Series bikes.  They still tend to be 
> more than what you are thinking, but you are more likely to catch a deal on 
> one.  
>
> If you are looking for something like the Roadini, I would look for 
> something else...like a 70's sports tourer.   Those might be more in the 
> price range you specified.  
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Matt Beecher]

As a Trek 720 owner, I am in agreement with market prices for them.  It is 
a very nice bike.  I converted mine to 700c and found it nice enough to 
eventually add dynamo lighting.  I also would not think it is like the 
Roadini, though I admit I have not ridden one.  I imagine the Roadini is 
going to feel quite a bit faster.  

If you are looking for something similar to the Trek 720, but sells for 
less, try Miyata 6xx or Fuji Touring Series bikes.  They still tend to be 
more than what you are thinking, but you are more likely to catch a deal on 
one.  

If you are looking for something like the Roadini, I would look for 
something else...like a 70's sports tourer.   Those might be more in the 
price range you specified.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[lconley]

French headsets, bottom brackets and seatposts can be had from VO. You can 
sand down a Nitto stem to fit a French fork with little effort, or you can 
just use a English fork with normal headset and stem. French bikes (Gitane, 
Peugeot, Motobecane, Libertas, etc.) are not really much cheaper though. I 
have a small Gitane Tour de France that I was thinking of selling, but I 
would want closer to the $800 than the $200. I originally ended up at 
Rivendell because the new frames were the same or cheaper than used 
70's/80's classic lugged 531 frames.
You might look for a lugged chrome-moly Ross road frame/bike, they are kind 
of under the radar of most people. They sometimes had cheap components on a 
nice frame. I got a complete lugged chrome-moly Ross mixte at a thrift 
store a few years back for $60 - weird parts - the wheels were 3 piece 
chromed steel hubs with alloy rims. Ross was early into mountain bikes, but 
they did have some decent road frames.

Laing
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>
> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
> French sized parts? 
>
> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
> this query. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Sackville Question?

[Patrick Moore]

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:04 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> ... I might punch a new hole in the leather strap that attaches to the
> seatpost...the hole I wish were a little closer is SO close that I could
> probably just expand the size of it and it'd work. It's *that* close.
>

Just tug a bit more strongly with those pliers; you can get the prong into
that elusive hole!
---
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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] Re: FT/FS: 61cm Rivendell Hunqapillar Frameset

[Jared Wilson]

Whoops, correction, 62cm!!

And forgot price, depends on parts included but lets say $1400 for 
frame/fork/headest/bb/Thomson seat post.

Thanks!

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:49:17 AM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Hello all
>
> Got this frameset from a group member a couple months back and after 
> serious consideration I've accepted that it's just a hair too tall for me.
>
> The Hunqapillar is *in* *theory* my dream Rivendell, but *in practice* 
> the 61cm is just too large and a little "too much bike" for the kind of 
> riding I do.
>
> Frame is in awesome condition sans some chain suck that was sanded and 
> clear coated by PO, otherwise just average wear and tear.
>
> Continuing the hunt for the right frameset I'd be interested in a *60cm 
> Cheviot/ Platypus or XL Susie. *
>
> Gonna be in the Bay Area with the bike Wednesday (today) - Friday incase 
> someone is interested in a trade or sale somewhere between SLO and SF.
>
> Shoot me an email and lets figure some stuff out, I have some parts I'd 
> like to keep with the frame (Thomson seat post, FSA headset, Shimano BB?, 
> and probably the Paul cantis) so lets make a deal.
>
> Thanks and happy trails!
>
> Jared
> Somewhere on the US-101
>
> [image: IMG_3956.JPG]
>
>
>

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[RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Yankeebird]

I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going through 
some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up something else 
in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my primary main bike 
for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up with an Alfine IGH 8 
and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when my bro and I visit we 
have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.

I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 

I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this bike 
and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these things are 
going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as $200-300 bikes, 
but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 

Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
French sized parts? 

Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
this query. 

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Re: [RBW] Sackville Question?

[Patrick Moore]

That's the one. I think I special-ordered from Acorn longer straps for this
(I strapped the Camper to the bar of my Dahon) or some other purpose.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 12:38 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Here's an example of the kind of standoff that Patrick is describing, made
> by Acorn in SoCal:
>https://www.acornbags.com/products/leather-stand-off-with-strap
> Their strap is 11 ½" but this will depend on the length of the standoff.
> Here's a saddlebag rack from Ocean Air by Nitto. It integrates with the
> seat post saddle clamp and will keep the bag back away from your legs and
> hold it steady:
>
> https://store.oceanaircycles.com/products/erlen-saddle-bag-support-nitto-production
> There are other Nitto models (Riv Mark's & RBW51, R14 and R10) that
> attach to the bike but are out of stock or relatively rare, at least in
> this country.
> The Carradice Bagman supports will NOT work cleanly as they assume a
> barrel-shaped saddle bag. (The Slim Sucker has a flat bottom.)
> David Lipsky, Berkeley
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:15:09 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> If you find you need a standoff, I *may* still have one of the chi chi
>> leather ones I bought some years ago that hold the back of the bag off the
>> seatpost by about 5 cm. If you do find you want one, I'll send you one
>> gratis, as I no longer need mine.
>>
>> You will need an extra-long strap to go from bag through standoff around
>> post back through standoff and back to bag; IIRC, about 12" though the
>> straps that came with the standoff were, IIRC, 16". I do want to keep the
>> straps for myself, though.
>>
>> They're very nice; thick, good quality, well-joined leather; I forget who
>> made them.
>>
>> *If* you need it! I've kept them because they're pretty and who knows,
>> one day ...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 8:23 PM Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>> Thanks for the thoughts. The squeaking definitely seems to be leather on
>>> leather…I’ve got the saddle loop straps as tight as they’ll go.
>>>
>>> I’ll try pulling the seat post strap with pliers…I’m REALLY close to
>>> being able to buckle it.
>>>
>>> I love the way the bag looks and how much I can fit enough that I’m
>>> going to keep it and see.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 9:06 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 6:17 PM Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>>
 Hello!
 I just received a beautiful royal blue Slimsucker today from Riv
 and...well...I don't know about it. I have three issues that are making me
 think about contacting Riv for a return.

 1. It's really squeaky...I'm assuming the brand new leather will soften
 and chill out a bit and be quiet eventually. Have other people noticed this
 when their bags are new? I have two x-small bags that I have been using and
 I can't remember whether they squeaked or not.

>>>
>>> What is squeaking, the bag against itself or the bag against the bike?
>>> If the former, I'd guess it will eventually shut up. If the latter, I'd
>>> guess that the bag could be more tightly strapped to the bike. (See #3.)
>>>
>>> I've owned 3 Sackvilles, 1 M and 2 L, or v versa, as well as at least 2
>>> dozen other transverse saddlebags, and I don't recall any of them
>>> squeaking; that is to say, either they didn't squeak or it was small enough
>>> that I didn't notice it.
>>>

 2. I wasn't fully prepared for the thigh rub...I put the bag on my
 bike, put my computer, a couple books, laptop charger, etc... in it and
 rode up the block and back and I'm not a fan of that feeling of the bag
 touching the backs of my thighs. Has anyone else been rubbed the wrong way
 (sorry) at first but kind of stopped noticing it after a while?

>>>
>>> Again, at least 27 bags, very probably more over the 30 + years, all or
>>> almost all of which hit the back of my thighs to one degree or another, and
>>> -- personal sensitivity -- I didn't notice it after about 1/4 mile.
>>>
>>> Note that most of the saddlebags I've used (besides 3 Sackvilles and 3-4
>>> Bagginses) have been Carradices or clones, which IME hit the legs more;
>>> again, for me at least, this was not in any way a bother or even really
>>> noticeable.
>>>
>>> But you can make or buy standoffs.
>>>
>>>
 3. The leather strap to secure it to my seatpostI need the third
 hole to be *just* a little closer. If I use the second hole, it's not
 tight and the bag swings front to back. The leather used on these bags is
 excellent so I know that I could probably punch a new hole in the strap (if
 I keep the bag), but does anyone have any suggestions that I might not be
 thinking of?

>>>
>>> I like bags tightly strapped; I always cinch the saddle straps and the
>>> seatpost strap extra tight using pliers, If need be, I pull very tightly
>>> and make an extr

Re: [RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Patrick Moore]

Aha, I see. Thanks. I'll bet that such a front hub motor is one of the
easiest ways of getting electrical assist.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 12:06 AM brendonoid  wrote:

> Patrick,
> The single speed I started with had drum brakes in front and coaster in
> rear. That was a great bike.
> This front hub is a 150watt (the most legally allowed here) e-assist. And
> now I have the luxury of 3 whole speeds in the rear Nexus!
> This is Australia Post and they have been trying to get rid of
> us(bicycles) for a long time. Unfortunately for managment bicycles are just
> better at the inner suburbs than anything else they try!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks very much, Ray, but I was merely curious about it, not really
interested.

I did own a Worksman tricycle that had a sole front drum brake, much
smaller, that worked acceptably if not excellently, and also a Sturmey
Archer combined front drum brake and dyno hub that I'll bet weighed more
than Brendon's front electric motor (but not as much as the combined 3
speed and dynamo rear hub. Neither were built into wheels.)

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 11:12 PM Ray Varella 
wrote:

> Patrick,
> I looked at that front wheel and wondered the same thing, drum or e assist?
>
> I have a huge drum like that if you think you want to put it to use. Mine
> predates ebikes by a number of decades.
>
>
> Ray
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:54:34 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Or, duh: Electric assist?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 9:54 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to add: That's a huge drum on the front! Braking must be good ...?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 9:53 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Brendon: that's great. Is this in the US, or in another country?

 I have never heard of bicycle postmen (or women) in the US.

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 3:52 AM brendonoid 
 wrote:

> Never newspapers but my very first job was junk mail (pamphleteer?)
> delivery round which I did on my Repco (think Crust's Huffy Granite) out 
> of
> a plastic milk crate strapped to a cheap rack.
> Stuff has happened in between but the last 10 years I have been
> blessed to be a bicycling Postman. I get to ride all day and get paid for
> it. I can imagine a worse life.
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[RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

[Philip Barrett]

In the 80's I worked as a motorcycle delivery courier (despatch rider in 
the UK parlance) - brutal & dangerous work but on a bike you can at least 
out run traffic. I can't imagine doing this on a bicycle, electric or 
otherwise.

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:40:15 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Completely captivating. Just wow. I was horrified and ensconced. Great 
> photos. REAL bike life. I wish there was more that could be done for those 
> NY delivery workers. The thieves were extraordinarily brazen - you usually 
> expect them to give up when confronted - but some of them became murderers 
> when challenged. I wasn’t expecting that. Thanks for that article, Eric. 
> Really enjoyed learning about the NY delivery workers. 
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 7:01:36 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the link!  I've been absolutely mesmerized watching 
>> the bike messenger gathering spots on Market St during visits to SF over 
>> the last twenty years.  Between the bikes and the bags and the tattoos and 
>> the clothing, there is a very humbling lesson for me that THEY are the real 
>> deal and that I am the poser/gaper who tries to furtively steal a glance as 
>> I walk past.
>>
>> On the bright side, the whole messenger/courier subculture did motivate 
>> me to begin collecting messenger bags and packs 15 or 20 years ago, and I 
>> do combine that love for messenger gear with my all-things-bicycle 
>> infatuation and it makes for a great way to chill and enjoy after a hard 
>> day of work in the real world.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 12:57:53 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in 
>>> NYC. Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They 
>>> all ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
>>> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 
>>>
>>> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Sackville Question?

[Ben Mihovk]

So...I rode to work this morning and I'm keeping the bag. I didn't notice
thigh rub unless I consciously thought about it. A standoff that has been
discussed here *might *be something to try, but when I tinker with it,
pushing the bag away from the seat post moves the bottom part of the bag
away from my thighs more than the top part (the hinge of where the loops
connect on the saddle keeps the closest points from moving as much as the
farthest). In summation...I don't know that the juice would be worth the
squeeze.

The squeaking...really only happens when I handle the bag and not when I
ride. I heard nothing.

I might punch a new hole in the leather strap that attaches to the
seatpost...the hole I wish were a little closer is SO close that I could
probably just expand the size of it and it'd work. It's *that* close.

I'm loving the bag and now I just need Riv to restock some Kangaroo
pouches. The side pockets on the biggest Sackville saddle bags appeal to me
for easy access to the stuff you might want to grab quicklybut I don't
want anything bigger than the Slimsucker, so a pouch is a very easy add-on
to make it pert-near perfect.

Thanks again for everyone's input and suggestions!
Ben in Sackville (but actually Omaha)


On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 1:38 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Here's an example of the kind of standoff that Patrick is describing, made
> by Acorn in SoCal:
>https://www.acornbags.com/products/leather-stand-off-with-strap
> Their strap is 11 ½" but this will depend on the length of the standoff.
> Here's a saddlebag rack from Ocean Air by Nitto. It integrates with the
> seat post saddle clamp and will keep the bag back away from your legs and
> hold it steady:
>
> https://store.oceanaircycles.com/products/erlen-saddle-bag-support-nitto-production
> There are other Nitto models (Riv Mark's & RBW51, R14 and R10) that
> attach to the bike but are out of stock or relatively rare, at least in
> this country.
> The Carradice Bagman supports will NOT work cleanly as they assume a
> barrel-shaped saddle bag. (The Slim Sucker has a flat bottom.)
> David Lipsky, Berkeley
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:15:09 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> If you find you need a standoff, I *may* still have one of the chi chi
>> leather ones I bought some years ago that hold the back of the bag off the
>> seatpost by about 5 cm. If you do find you want one, I'll send you one
>> gratis, as I no longer need mine.
>>
>> You will need an extra-long strap to go from bag through standoff around
>> post back through standoff and back to bag; IIRC, about 12" though the
>> straps that came with the standoff were, IIRC, 16". I do want to keep the
>> straps for myself, though.
>>
>> They're very nice; thick, good quality, well-joined leather; I forget who
>> made them.
>>
>> *If* you need it! I've kept them because they're pretty and who knows,
>> one day ...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 8:23 PM Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>> Thanks for the thoughts. The squeaking definitely seems to be leather on
>>> leather…I’ve got the saddle loop straps as tight as they’ll go.
>>>
>>> I’ll try pulling the seat post strap with pliers…I’m REALLY close to
>>> being able to buckle it.
>>>
>>> I love the way the bag looks and how much I can fit enough that I’m
>>> going to keep it and see.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 9:06 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 6:17 PM Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>>
 Hello!
 I just received a beautiful royal blue Slimsucker today from Riv
 and...well...I don't know about it. I have three issues that are making me
 think about contacting Riv for a return.

 1. It's really squeaky...I'm assuming the brand new leather will soften
 and chill out a bit and be quiet eventually. Have other people noticed this
 when their bags are new? I have two x-small bags that I have been using and
 I can't remember whether they squeaked or not.

>>>
>>> What is squeaking, the bag against itself or the bag against the bike?
>>> If the former, I'd guess it will eventually shut up. If the latter, I'd
>>> guess that the bag could be more tightly strapped to the bike. (See #3.)
>>>
>>> I've owned 3 Sackvilles, 1 M and 2 L, or v versa, as well as at least 2
>>> dozen other transverse saddlebags, and I don't recall any of them
>>> squeaking; that is to say, either they didn't squeak or it was small enough
>>> that I didn't notice it.
>>>

 2. I wasn't fully prepared for the thigh rub...I put the bag on my
 bike, put my computer, a couple books, laptop charger, etc... in it and
 rode up the block and back and I'm not a fan of that feeling of the bag
 touching the backs of my thighs. Has anyone else been rubbed the wrong way
 (sorry) at first but kind of stopped noticing it after a while?

>>>
>>> Again, at lea

[RBW] Re: FS: Stems, thumbshifters, seatpost, pedals

[Johnny Alien]

The top pull CX70 is sold.

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:01:22 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I also have two Shimano CX70 front derailleurs. One is top pull and one is 
> bottom pull. Neither is in a box but both are new. Both are clamp versions 
> with the 31.8 clamp size. - *$35 *
>
> If you need photos let me know.  Feel free to make offers on anything.
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:56:19 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I have the following items for sale. Everything is shipping included.
>>
>> Nitto Technomic 90 stem 25.4 clamp - $40 shipped (Good used condition. No 
>> significant scratches are marks)
>>
>> Nitto deluxe long quill 90 stem 26.0 clamp - $50 shipped (Good used 
>> condition. No significant scratches are marks)
>>
>> Nitto MT-53S - $50 shipped (This is an odd duck that I ordered by 
>> accident. It's brand new and too expensive to ship back to Japan. It's made 
>> for a 25.4 column vs the standard 22.2 Cost $100 so it was a pricey mistake 
>> for me. I am hoping someone has something that can use this)
>>
>> Sneaker pedals - $30 shipped per pair (2 pairs. Both very lightly used 
>> pairs. Both look new)
>>
>> Kalloy 26.8 seat post - $40 shipped (Brand new and never installed. This 
>> is what comes with the Riv stock builds. They are super nice)
>>
>> Sunrace thumbshifters 3x9 indexed - $50 shipped (I think that while these 
>> are indexable up to 3 and 9 you can also index anything below. I don't 
>> think they can do friction. They are brand new and never installed)
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Stems, thumbshifters, seatpost, pedals

[Johnny Alien]

I also have two Shimano CX70 front derailleurs. One is top pull and one is 
bottom pull. Neither is in a box but both are new. Both are clamp versions 
with the 31.8 clamp size. - *$35 *

If you need photos let me know.  Feel free to make offers on anything.

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:56:19 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I have the following items for sale. Everything is shipping included.
>
> Nitto Technomic 90 stem 25.4 clamp - $40 shipped (Good used condition. No 
> significant scratches are marks)
>
> Nitto deluxe long quill 90 stem 26.0 clamp - $50 shipped (Good used 
> condition. No significant scratches are marks)
>
> Nitto MT-53S - $50 shipped (This is an odd duck that I ordered by 
> accident. It's brand new and too expensive to ship back to Japan. It's made 
> for a 25.4 column vs the standard 22.2 Cost $100 so it was a pricey mistake 
> for me. I am hoping someone has something that can use this)
>
> Sneaker pedals - $30 shipped per pair (2 pairs. Both very lightly used 
> pairs. Both look new)
>
> Kalloy 26.8 seat post - $40 shipped (Brand new and never installed. This 
> is what comes with the Riv stock builds. They are super nice)
>
> Sunrace thumbshifters 3x9 indexed - $50 shipped (I think that while these 
> are indexable up to 3 and 9 you can also index anything below. I don't 
> think they can do friction. They are brand new and never installed)
>

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[RBW] Re: Multispeed wheel for Quickbeam or SimpleOne riders

[J Schwartz]

This wheel is tentatively sold pending payment 
Thank you

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 2:40:28 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> I will add that I THINK I have the extra bits from Paul to build this hub 
> into a different size wheel in the future ...those will be included if I 
> have them
> I can also include the derailleur hanger and clamp-on cable stops
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 2:36:46 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> This is a rear wheel that I had built around a Paul "Jono" hub 
>> (discontinued) that allowed a wheel to be built with a variable spacing.
>> The wheel is built for the 120mm rear spacing of my SimpleOne.   The Jono 
>> is a freewheel hub.
>> The Paul hub is High Polish w/ the quick release option.  
>> Rim is Velocity Synergy 700C 32H Silver
>> Spokes are Wheelsmith DB14 2.0/1.7/2.0 Silver w/ Silver Brass Nipples
>>
>> I rand this on my SimpleOne with a double up front and a very nice, 
>> Suntour "pro-compe" 5-speed freewheel (13-34) which turned my SimpleOne 
>> into a SimpleTen.
>> I had to add a bolt-on derailleur hanger and a clamp-on cable cable stop 
>> in order to do it.
>>
>> This was built by Anthony King @ Longleaf about 5 years ago.  
>> The wheel has essentially no miles on it.  I fitted it, dialed in the 
>> derailleurs, rode it a couple of weekends and, because I was moving from 
>> NYC to upstate NY, my SimpleTen sat in a storage unit for a year.
>> After moving, I returned the SimpleOne to a single speed and have been 
>> hanging onto this wheel thinking I would set it up multi-speed again but I 
>> have too many multi-speed bikes.  So it's time to pass this on.
>>
>> Here's a bit of info for Paul on the Jono Hub:
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BIqSWlkB50V/?hl=en
>>
>> Photos here:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/S7eDANCu4cgD8zmk6
>>
>> The Suntour freewheel isn't included but is available.
>> Also, it's currently set up with a tubed Pasela tg 700x37 tire. Not 
>> necessarily included but if you want it , let me know.
>>
>> price: $220 for the wheel
>> $30 for the 5-speed 13-34 Suntour pro-compe freewheel (very nice 
>> condition, clean and lubed)
>> $235 if you purchase together 
>>
>> shipping from New York State is additional
>> [image: IMG_2259.JPG]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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