[RBW] Re: Not selling more bikes that need to be shipped

[Minh]

i have a few other hobbies, and i've noticed that shippers are not quite as 
careful as well.  even in cases with well packed packages, there is damage 
being caused.  i agree that keep market local will save you a lot of 
potential problems.  i get thats not always possible with specialized items 
like these bikes, so its a tough situation.  

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:49:24 PM UTC-4 chrispm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> I think Joe has it right. Bikes are shipped all over the world every 
> single day without issue. The issues arise when the person doing the 
> packing isn’t invested in the bike (ie doesn’t really give a sh@#) and 
> doesn’t really care if the bike makes it safely. Pack it yourself, require 
> an inspection before the box is sealed if you pay a shop, or find someone 
> you can really trust. Or just sell  it local. 
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 10:15:40 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Max, I hate it so much. I know how you feel. I have been there.
>>
>> I was preparing to make room in the garage for my raspberry Platy. I 
>> decided to sell my inherited Clementine and my Betty Foy. I paid to have 
>> the bikes professionally packed and shipped via Bike Flights, with 
>> insurance. When the aqua Clementine arrived at the buyer’s home it was 
>> badly dinged up. Like, multiple places. But the box was intact! The buyer 
>> could clearly see the cause of the damage - loose metal not secured to the 
>> frame in the box. I set out to make it right and let the seller choose from 
>> two options. Once he chose (I deeply discounted the bike) I went to both 
>> the bike shop and Bike Flights. It was a long process with the bike shop, 
>> who honestly believed it was the buyer’s fault. They accused him of 
>> purposely damaging the bike, hoping for a discount. This was not at all 
>> plausible. The mechanic had not secured parts (I forget what), and the box 
>> was intact, therefore exonerating the shipper. The shop wanted to give me 
>> $100 for a powder coat paint job - and begrudgingly at that. I couldn’t 
>> even begin to explain to them how expensive a Rivendell repaint would be. 
>>
>> But Bike Flights was much more reasonable than my local shop and cut me a 
>> check for the damages without argument. I really was surprised since this 
>> appeared to be a packing issue. I felt guilty collecting the insurance 
>> money.
>>
>> It made me sick to my stomach to see that pristine bike banged up so 
>> badly, sick over arguing with the manager at REI, sick that Bike Flights 
>> had to pay, and sick at what the buyer must now think of me.
>>
>> So, yes, local if possible.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:42:59 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> My experience is I stopped having problems when I took over the packing. 
>>> I hate it and didn't consider myself good at it, but after a while it 
>>> became clear that "reputable bike shops" are extremely spotty about this 
>>> skill. I still hate it and it takes me forever, but my self-packed bikes 
>>> have all arrived to happy buyers. 
>>>
>>> Joe "never again 'til next time" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:48:32 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Not a rant, just a fact - it's just not worth the hassle.

 I have sold 3 bikes locally with no issue. Then, out of the other 3 
 that I have sold - all packed professionally by reputable bike shops and 
 shipped with a full service shipper (bikeflights or the other one)- I have 
 had problems with two of them.

 They have insurance and I can go fight the carrier for it, or the LBS 
 or the buyer, but it's just not worth the hassle... not doing it anymore.

 What's your experience shipping bikes? What am I doing wrong?

 Max
 Trying to make things right by the buyer of my AHH

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Not selling more bikes that need to be shipped

[Christopher Murray]

I think Joe has it right. Bikes are shipped all over the world every single 
day without issue. The issues arise when the person doing the packing isn’t 
invested in the bike (ie doesn’t really give a sh@#) and doesn’t really 
care if the bike makes it safely. Pack it yourself, require an inspection 
before the box is sealed if you pay a shop, or find someone you can really 
trust. Or just sell  it local. 
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 10:15:40 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Max, I hate it so much. I know how you feel. I have been there.
>
> I was preparing to make room in the garage for my raspberry Platy. I 
> decided to sell my inherited Clementine and my Betty Foy. I paid to have 
> the bikes professionally packed and shipped via Bike Flights, with 
> insurance. When the aqua Clementine arrived at the buyer’s home it was 
> badly dinged up. Like, multiple places. But the box was intact! The buyer 
> could clearly see the cause of the damage - loose metal not secured to the 
> frame in the box. I set out to make it right and let the seller choose from 
> two options. Once he chose (I deeply discounted the bike) I went to both 
> the bike shop and Bike Flights. It was a long process with the bike shop, 
> who honestly believed it was the buyer’s fault. They accused him of 
> purposely damaging the bike, hoping for a discount. This was not at all 
> plausible. The mechanic had not secured parts (I forget what), and the box 
> was intact, therefore exonerating the shipper. The shop wanted to give me 
> $100 for a powder coat paint job - and begrudgingly at that. I couldn’t 
> even begin to explain to them how expensive a Rivendell repaint would be. 
>
> But Bike Flights was much more reasonable than my local shop and cut me a 
> check for the damages without argument. I really was surprised since this 
> appeared to be a packing issue. I felt guilty collecting the insurance 
> money.
>
> It made me sick to my stomach to see that pristine bike banged up so 
> badly, sick over arguing with the manager at REI, sick that Bike Flights 
> had to pay, and sick at what the buyer must now think of me.
>
> So, yes, local if possible.
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:42:59 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> My experience is I stopped having problems when I took over the packing. 
>> I hate it and didn't consider myself good at it, but after a while it 
>> became clear that "reputable bike shops" are extremely spotty about this 
>> skill. I still hate it and it takes me forever, but my self-packed bikes 
>> have all arrived to happy buyers. 
>>
>> Joe "never again 'til next time" Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:48:32 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Not a rant, just a fact - it's just not worth the hassle.
>>>
>>> I have sold 3 bikes locally with no issue. Then, out of the other 3 that 
>>> I have sold - all packed professionally by reputable bike shops and shipped 
>>> with a full service shipper (bikeflights or the other one)- I have had 
>>> problems with two of them.
>>>
>>> They have insurance and I can go fight the carrier for it, or the LBS or 
>>> the buyer, but it's just not worth the hassle... not doing it anymore.
>>>
>>> What's your experience shipping bikes? What am I doing wrong?
>>>
>>> Max
>>> Trying to make things right by the buyer of my AHH
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Johnny Alien]

My Saluki was originally owned by Ed Braley

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 9:59:32 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:

> I have gotten great service out of a mid 80s Nashbar Mark III. It was 
> originally converted to 650B by Ed Braley, if you're familiar with the name 
> and came to me via a Riv List member.  I rode it for a while with a Veloce 
> Compact double, but for a while have used a Chorus 50/40/26 triple.  I have 
> an XT in back with a 11-36 9  speed and use it on hilly rides. It maxes out 
> at 38mm without fenders on Velocity Synergy or A23 rims. Tange tubing and 
> so far very durable. Very affordable frame on the used market. Made for 
> Nashbar by Maruishi in Japan.[image: CHC Ferrous.jpg] 
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> I also have this Trek 614 from 1981 that is too small for me. Amazing 
>> condition as-found. It came with 27" wheels but I tried a set of 700c 
>> wheels with 40mm tires that they actually fit! I would part with it if this 
>> floats your boat.  I can get better pics of the current cleaned up state. 
>> It's a stunning bike. 
>>
>> [image: 51036092221_89fff1d3be_c.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:19:39 PM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> Keep an eye out for an early to mid 80s Miyata 912 or 914. I picked this 
>>> '83 912 up recently and it's a very nice bike. Will fit 32s. One level 
>>> below the pro models. This is an as-found photo - I have since added the 
>>> correct seatpost and pedals. Will find replacement hoods. Look at that 
>>> sweet fork bend! All Shimano 600EX. Kind of flies under the radar so you 
>>> might get lucky.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>> [image: 51403719006_1f39030bf6_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Craig, if you're asking yourself whether you should sell it, I think 
 you'll regret it, just because you have so much history with it.(Why I 
 can't part with my old PX-10 and 1993 X0-1...plus 3 Rivendells) .That is a 
 beauty! So understated and elegant! The Gentleman moniker is very apt. 
 Have 
 another think about letting go of that...with all due respect to the 
 original poster😊

 Ryan in Winnipeg, MB

 On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-5 Craig Montgomery 
 wrote:

> I actually have one that might interest you Bubba. An '86 Mercian I've 
> had almost 2 decades. 59cm (23 1/2"). 531C. "Sport Touring". 700x32mm BUT 
> my favorite iteration is as a 650Bx38 All Roader. Got these wheels for 
> sale 
> also but they may be more than you want to invest (Phil Wood). I have set 
> it up Fixed, with a Sturmey Archer 4 speed, 700x32 Light Tourer, and 
> 650Bx38 All Road. Damn I'm convincing myself not to sell it. 
> Here it is fixed: 
>  [image: monto1.jpg]
> Gentleman's Tourer (moteling it):
> [image: Mercian and Barbed Wire.jpg]
> As a 650B with PariMoto 38's
> [image: Mercian 650B by Falls.jpg]
> [image: Mt. Hopkins from Elephant Head Road Cropped.jpg]
>
> If this pushes a button email me. 
>
> Craig way too many frames and projects in Tucson
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so 
>> when 
>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>
>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at 
>> least a 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross 
>> or 
>> a cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than 
>> my 
>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>
>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has 
>> this bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But 
>> these 
>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>
>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I 
>> should be looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard 
>> sizing 
>> for components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall 
>> finding 
>> French sized parts? 
>>
>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn 
>> the stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when 
>> it 
>> comes to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't 
>> build a

[RBW] Re: Not selling more bikes that need to be shipped

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Max, I hate it so much. I know how you feel. I have been there.

I was preparing to make room in the garage for my raspberry Platy. I 
decided to sell my inherited Clementine and my Betty Foy. I paid to have 
the bikes professionally packed and shipped via Bike Flights, with 
insurance. When the aqua Clementine arrived at the buyer’s home it was 
badly dinged up. Like, multiple places. But the box was intact! The buyer 
could clearly see the cause of the damage - loose metal not secured to the 
frame in the box. I set out to make it right and let the seller choose from 
two options. Once he chose (I deeply discounted the bike) I went to both 
the bike shop and Bike Flights. It was a long process with the bike shop, 
who honestly believed it was the buyer’s fault. They accused him of 
purposely damaging the bike, hoping for a discount. This was not at all 
plausible. The mechanic had not secured parts (I forget what), and the box 
was intact, therefore exonerating the shipper. The shop wanted to give me 
$100 for a powder coat paint job - and begrudgingly at that. I couldn’t 
even begin to explain to them how expensive a Rivendell repaint would be. 

But Bike Flights was much more reasonable than my local shop and cut me a 
check for the damages without argument. I really was surprised since this 
appeared to be a packing issue. I felt guilty collecting the insurance 
money.

It made me sick to my stomach to see that pristine bike banged up so badly, 
sick over arguing with the manager at REI, sick that Bike Flights had to 
pay, and sick at what the buyer must now think of me.

So, yes, local if possible.
Leah

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:42:59 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My experience is I stopped having problems when I took over the packing. I 
> hate it and didn't consider myself good at it, but after a while it became 
> clear that "reputable bike shops" are extremely spotty about this skill. I 
> still hate it and it takes me forever, but my self-packed bikes have all 
> arrived to happy buyers. 
>
> Joe "never again 'til next time" Bernard
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:48:32 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Not a rant, just a fact - it's just not worth the hassle.
>>
>> I have sold 3 bikes locally with no issue. Then, out of the other 3 that 
>> I have sold - all packed professionally by reputable bike shops and shipped 
>> with a full service shipper (bikeflights or the other one)- I have had 
>> problems with two of them.
>>
>> They have insurance and I can go fight the carrier for it, or the LBS or 
>> the buyer, but it's just not worth the hassle... not doing it anymore.
>>
>> What's your experience shipping bikes? What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> Max
>> Trying to make things right by the buyer of my AHH
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Not selling more bikes that need to be shipped

[Joe Bernard]

My experience is I stopped having problems when I took over the packing. I 
hate it and didn't consider myself good at it, but after a while it became 
clear that "reputable bike shops" are extremely spotty about this skill. I 
still hate it and it takes me forever, but my self-packed bikes have all 
arrived to happy buyers. 

Joe "never again 'til next time" Bernard

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:48:32 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Not a rant, just a fact - it's just not worth the hassle.
>
> I have sold 3 bikes locally with no issue. Then, out of the other 3 that I 
> have sold - all packed professionally by reputable bike shops and shipped 
> with a full service shipper (bikeflights or the other one)- I have had 
> problems with two of them.
>
> They have insurance and I can go fight the carrier for it, or the LBS or 
> the buyer, but it's just not worth the hassle... not doing it anymore.
>
> What's your experience shipping bikes? What am I doing wrong?
>
> Max
> Trying to make things right by the buyer of my AHH
>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matthew Williams]

Platypus
60cm
$1650
Highland Park, LA, CA
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-platypus-60cm/7381224285.html


Joe Appaloosa
58cm (no double top tube, looks like a 57, confirm size with owner)
$2300
Happy Valley, OR
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/601242284231403

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[RBW] Not selling more bikes that need to be shipped

[maxcr]

Not a rant, just a fact - it's just not worth the hassle.

I have sold 3 bikes locally with no issue. Then, out of the other 3 that I 
have sold - all packed professionally by reputable bike shops and shipped 
with a full service shipper (bikeflights or the other one)- I have had 
problems with two of them.

They have insurance and I can go fight the carrier for it, or the LBS or 
the buyer, but it's just not worth the hassle... not doing it anymore.

What's your experience shipping bikes? What am I doing wrong?

Max
Trying to make things right by the buyer of my AHH

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell SimipleOne

[Doug H.]

Sale pending...

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 6:43:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I'm in need of gears so am letting go of my 56 cm SimpleOne. Details:
> 56 cm frame (32 inch standover)
> Sugino Crankset with 39 inch chainring
> Shimano 18 tooth freewheel
> Mavic CXP Elite 32 spoke wheels with Formula Hubs
> New 38 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SL blackwall tires (not pictured)
> Shimano DXR V-Brakes with Origin8 levers (new cables and housing)
> Rivendell ChocoMoose handlebars with Oury grips and Newbaums tape
> Connex nickel plated chain
> Sneaker Pedals
> Bell mounted to handlebars (not pictured)
>
> Note: If you don't like the bars I have a set of Nitto bars with slight 
> sweep back mounted to a Nitto Technomic stem
>
> Photos 
>
> $1,200 plus shipping from Athens, Ga
> Doug Hansford
>

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[RBW] Re: FT/FS: 61cm Rivendell Hunqapillar Frameset

[Jared Wilson]

Traded! Thanks everyone for your interest :)

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 5:18:18 PM UTC-7 rickur...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> I wish you were closer to me, I would love to through a leg. Good luck! 
> Cool, cool, cool bike
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 4:17:51 PM UTC-4 Miles wrote:
>
>> Oh n! Sad to see this one go, but you gotta listen to your heart. 
>>
>> For anyone potentially considering, this frame is in great shape and 
>> Jared is a stand up guy. Buy with confidence. 
>>
>> - Miles, who bought Jared’s previous Susie and is thus partially 
>> responsible for this predicament. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:54:57 AM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whoops, correction, 62cm!!
>>>
>>> And forgot price, depends on parts included but lets say $1400 for 
>>> frame/fork/headest/bb/Thomson seat post.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:49:17 AM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Hello all

 Got this frameset from a group member a couple months back and after 
 serious consideration I've accepted that it's just a hair too tall for me.

 The Hunqapillar is *in* *theory* my dream Rivendell, but *in practice* 
 the 61cm is just too large and a little "too much bike" for the kind of 
 riding I do.

 Frame is in awesome condition sans some chain suck that was sanded and 
 clear coated by PO, otherwise just average wear and tear.

 Continuing the hunt for the right frameset I'd be interested in a *60cm 
 Cheviot/ Platypus or XL Susie. *

 Gonna be in the Bay Area with the bike Wednesday (today) - Friday 
 incase someone is interested in a trade or sale somewhere between SLO and 
 SF.

 Shoot me an email and lets figure some stuff out, I have some parts I'd 
 like to keep with the frame (Thomson seat post, FSA headset, Shimano BB?, 
 and probably the Paul cantis) so lets make a deal.

 Thanks and happy trails!

 Jared
 Somewhere on the US-101

 [image: IMG_3956.JPG]




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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Ryan]

Craig, if you're asking yourself whether you should sell it, I think you'll 
regret it, just because you have so much history with it.(Why I can't part 
with my old PX-10 and 1993 X0-1...plus 3 Rivendells) .That is a beauty! So 
understated and elegant! The Gentleman moniker is very apt. Have another 
think about letting go of that...with all due respect to the original 
poster😊

Ryan in Winnipeg, MB

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-5 Craig Montgomery wrote:

> I actually have one that might interest you Bubba. An '86 Mercian I've had 
> almost 2 decades. 59cm (23 1/2"). 531C. "Sport Touring". 700x32mm BUT my 
> favorite iteration is as a 650Bx38 All Roader. Got these wheels for sale 
> also but they may be more than you want to invest (Phil Wood). I have set 
> it up Fixed, with a Sturmey Archer 4 speed, 700x32 Light Tourer, and 
> 650Bx38 All Road. Damn I'm convincing myself not to sell it. 
> Here it is fixed: 
>  [image: monto1.jpg]
> Gentleman's Tourer (moteling it):
> [image: Mercian and Barbed Wire.jpg]
> As a 650B with PariMoto 38's
> [image: Mercian 650B by Falls.jpg]
> [image: Mt. Hopkins from Elephant Head Road Cropped.jpg]
>
> If this pushes a button email me. 
>
> Craig way too many frames and projects in Tucson
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>
>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
>> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
>> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>
>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
>> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>
>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
>> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
>> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
>> French sized parts? 
>>
>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
>> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
>> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
>> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
>> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
>> this query. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

[Eric Marth]

Doug — Per the article, when called the police offer little help. When 
stolen bikes are reported the police do not follow up. The police do not 
seem to recognize the cost of the bikes ($2,000 -- $3,000) or, more 
importantly, the importance of the bikes to the delivery people as a way to 
make a living. 

The group in the story has been able to help one another retrieve bikes and 
get some shred of justice through organizing themselves! There are a few 
successes in the story where the group have used social media to congregate 
in large numbers to confront or chase down bike thieves. But these are very 
dangerous situations often with intense, insane and aggressive responses 
from thieves when confronted. 

While there are surveillance cameras on the bridge they are pointed at 
parked cars rather than pedestrian and bike thoroughfares. (The group has 
approached the Dept. of Transportation to have the cameras reoriented). And 
the area is seriously lacking in artificial light and very dark at night. 
Because there is inadequate infrastructure for safety and city agencies 
aren't offering much help (police dept. and dept. of transportation) the 
group have implemented a system to traverse the sketchy Willis Avenue 
Bridge in groups of no less than four. 
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:52:19 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Who are these roving hoards of thieves? Why aren't they arrested and 
> prosecuted? I have no tolerance for crime especially against a vulnerable 
> population such as these immigrants who are trying hard to make a living. 
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 9:39:27 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> And without the tyranny of the sweet technologies that were supposed to 
>> bring us into  the post-modern promised land. (Expletive deleted.)
>>
>> The tiffin wallahs are, if not an entire sub-caste, certainly the 
>> equivalent of a national professional guild; their situation, wholly sans 
>> IT and such unecessaries as writing, is professional and cooperative and 
>> --- "sustainable."
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> The NY magazine is very interesting, thanks for posting the link.
>>>
>>> The bike messengers remind me of Washington DC in the 1980s.
>>>
>>> But they've been doing this in India for generations: 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabbawala
>>>
>>> The politically incorrect term -- I gather from the Wikipedia entry -- 
>>> is what I knew them as: tiffin wallahs. A hugely complex, very large-scale, 
>>> multi-modal transportation  out and back operations, from thousands of 
>>> individual homes to thousands of offices and back again, dailly, with each 
>>> operator collecting dozens each of the tiffin boxes delivering them 
>>> practically error free despite the operators' generall illiteracy. The 
>>> first and last mile -- at least -- were by bicycle. Apparently you don't 
>>> need to be literate to run or be a part of huge, successful organizations 
>>> -- well, of course not!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:53 PM John A. Bennett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I haven't watched this recently, so I can't remember if there is 
 anything that's not G-Rated,
 language-wise, but it's a great "slice of life" from of bygone era. SF 
 locals will recognize a
 young Erik Zo, the messenger bag guy. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EmbaZYRn8

 On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in 
> NYC. Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. 
> They 
> all ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 
>
> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
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[RBW] Re: FS: Stems, thumbshifters, seatpost, pedals

[Johnny Alien]

Both CX70's are sold.  Everything else is available. Feel free to make 
offers! I need to make room for more stuff. :)

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:53:30 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The top pull CX70 is sold.
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:01:22 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I also have two Shimano CX70 front derailleurs. One is top pull and one 
>> is bottom pull. Neither is in a box but both are new. Both are clamp 
>> versions with the 31.8 clamp size. - *$35 *
>>
>> If you need photos let me know.  Feel free to make offers on anything.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:56:19 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I have the following items for sale. Everything is shipping included.
>>>
>>> Nitto Technomic 90 stem 25.4 clamp - $40 shipped (Good used condition. 
>>> No significant scratches are marks)
>>>
>>> Nitto deluxe long quill 90 stem 26.0 clamp - $50 shipped (Good used 
>>> condition. No significant scratches are marks)
>>>
>>> Nitto MT-53S - $50 shipped (This is an odd duck that I ordered by 
>>> accident. It's brand new and too expensive to ship back to Japan. It's made 
>>> for a 25.4 column vs the standard 22.2 Cost $100 so it was a pricey mistake 
>>> for me. I am hoping someone has something that can use this)
>>>
>>> Sneaker pedals - $30 shipped per pair (2 pairs. Both very lightly used 
>>> pairs. Both look new)
>>>
>>> Kalloy 26.8 seat post - $40 shipped (Brand new and never installed. This 
>>> is what comes with the Riv stock builds. They are super nice)
>>>
>>> Sunrace thumbshifters 3x9 indexed - $50 shipped (I think that while 
>>> these are indexable up to 3 and 9 you can also index anything below. I 
>>> don't think they can do friction. They are brand new and never installed)
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

[Doug H.]

Who are these roving hoards of thieves? Why aren't they arrested and 
prosecuted? I have no tolerance for crime especially against a vulnerable 
population such as these immigrants who are trying hard to make a living. 
Doug

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 9:39:27 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And without the tyranny of the sweet technologies that were supposed to 
> bring us into  the post-modern promised land. (Expletive deleted.)
>
> The tiffin wallahs are, if not an entire sub-caste, certainly the 
> equivalent of a national professional guild; their situation, wholly sans 
> IT and such unecessaries as writing, is professional and cooperative and 
> --- "sustainable."
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> The NY magazine is very interesting, thanks for posting the link.
>>
>> The bike messengers remind me of Washington DC in the 1980s.
>>
>> But they've been doing this in India for generations: 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabbawala
>>
>> The politically incorrect term -- I gather from the Wikipedia entry -- is 
>> what I knew them as: tiffin wallahs. A hugely complex, very large-scale, 
>> multi-modal transportation  out and back operations, from thousands of 
>> individual homes to thousands of offices and back again, dailly, with each 
>> operator collecting dozens each of the tiffin boxes delivering them 
>> practically error free despite the operators' generall illiteracy. The 
>> first and last mile -- at least -- were by bicycle. Apparently you don't 
>> need to be literate to run or be a part of huge, successful organizations 
>> -- well, of course not!
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:53 PM John A. Bennett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't watched this recently, so I can't remember if there is 
>>> anything that's not G-Rated,
>>> language-wise, but it's a great "slice of life" from of bygone era. SF 
>>> locals will recognize a
>>> young Erik Zo, the messenger bag guy. 
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EmbaZYRn8
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in 
 NYC. Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. 
 They 
 all ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
 shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 

 https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html

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[RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[st nick]

I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a lot 
for around 3 years.
The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne about a 
year ago and have been riding it more.
I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty good 
stuff. 
On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm clearance 
on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 
The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
I've had a Specialized Expedition,  Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, 
Nishiki International, and a custom touring bike.
I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in riding 
performance or feel or whatever. 
It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some cantilever 
brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with higher quality 
pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
Good luck with your search.
The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,24" Puch Austro 
Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked chrome finish.
I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. Non original fork , I 
don't care for,however will only take a 32.
I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 
Good luck with your search.

Paul in Dallas




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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[aeroperf]

An '82 Fuji America is a great bike if you can find one.  What the road 
bike people thought was a touring bike back then.
https://classicfuji.posthaven.com/1982-fuji-catalog-no-12-edition

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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Christopher Cote]

How about this one?

https://nh.craigslist.org/bik/d/loudon-univega-viva-sport-12-speed/7358221241.html

Chris

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> Wow this is great!
>
> The lower number Treks have been definitely on the docket-- the 620, 710, 
> etc. and I definitely appreciate the second thumbs up from you folks. My 
> wife had a 600 that she absolutely adored for many years. A little tighter 
> tire clearances than I would like on that particular model, however. I'm 
> gravitating towards the Treks because they have the 24" frame size that is 
> really in my sweet spot. But overall I'm not super picky about this all, 
> except: Steel, Crown Fork, 32-38 tires, Fun to ride. 
>
> Chris, Thanks for the critical reviews on the 720 and the stiffness. I'm 
> already pretty light as it is. 
>
> Eric, Roadini wise, not only are they not available but also the 
> dimensions are just beyond what I think will work for me. I fall right at 
> the break between the 57 and 61 and I feel like I'm going to reaching. My 
> 60 Surly CC has a 60cm TT and it's just a bit too much, I fear I'd be 
> maxing out the 57 but reaching on the 61. So I'm not so hot-to-trot on the 
> Roadini, it's the idea of the Roadini that I'm after. Something sprightly 
> that I can tinker on and throw in another IG or what have you and sprint 
> around town. 
>
> I'm in northern New England. Not a huge reservoir of things for sale 
> online, better luck at bike swaps and tag sales and consignments. 
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 10:54:09 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I had a Roadini, briefly, and didn’t find it a particularly inspiring 
>> bike to ride. The OS tubing is quite stout and felt like more a touring 
>> bike to me. A generic UJB (or an old Trek) will likely give a livelier 
>> ride, though you might miss the wonderful high stack of the Roadini. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, Yankeebird  wrote:
>>
>>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
>>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
>>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
>>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
>>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
>>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>>
>>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least 
>>> a 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
>>> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
>>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>>
>>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
>>> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
>>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
>>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>>
>>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should 
>>> be looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
>>> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
>>> French sized parts? 
>>>
>>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn 
>>> the stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it 
>>> comes to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
>>> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
>>> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
>>> this query. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Yankeebird]

Wow this is great!

The lower number Treks have been definitely on the docket-- the 620, 710, 
etc. and I definitely appreciate the second thumbs up from you folks. My 
wife had a 600 that she absolutely adored for many years. A little tighter 
tire clearances than I would like on that particular model, however. I'm 
gravitating towards the Treks because they have the 24" frame size that is 
really in my sweet spot. But overall I'm not super picky about this all, 
except: Steel, Crown Fork, 32-38 tires, Fun to ride. 

Chris, Thanks for the critical reviews on the 720 and the stiffness. I'm 
already pretty light as it is. 

Eric, Roadini wise, not only are they not available but also the dimensions 
are just beyond what I think will work for me. I fall right at the break 
between the 57 and 61 and I feel like I'm going to reaching. My 60 Surly CC 
has a 60cm TT and it's just a bit too much, I fear I'd be maxing out the 57 
but reaching on the 61. So I'm not so hot-to-trot on the Roadini, it's the 
idea of the Roadini that I'm after. Something sprightly that I can tinker 
on and throw in another IG or what have you and sprint around town. 

I'm in northern New England. Not a huge reservoir of things for sale 
online, better luck at bike swaps and tag sales and consignments. 
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 10:54:09 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> I had a Roadini, briefly, and didn’t find it a particularly inspiring bike 
> to ride. The OS tubing is quite stout and felt like more a touring bike to 
> me. A generic UJB (or an old Trek) will likely give a livelier ride, though 
> you might miss the wonderful high stack of the Roadini. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, Yankeebird  wrote:
>
>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>
>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
>> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
>> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>
>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
>> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>
>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
>> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
>> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
>> French sized parts? 
>>
>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
>> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
>> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
>> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
>> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
>> this query. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[luckyturnip]

Have I missed the size bike you are seeking?

> On Sep 16, 2021, at 07:29, Christopher Cote  
> wrote:
> 
> I've never seen a Specialized Sequoia in person. Maybe they're more common 
> on the west coast, but around here, you'd have a better chance of finding a 
> Heron Road, or Riv Rambouillet used. I've also never understood why the 
> Sequoia has such status here. It's not very "Riv-ish". To me, the first tenet 
> of Rivishness is a slack seat tube. Everything else is built around that. The 
> Sequoia has a 74 degree STA. Sure, you can set a super setback seatpost, but 
> that makes the reach to the bars way too long, and upsets the whole aesthetic.
> 
> Yankeebird - there's a lot more to the Trek 720 than the long chainstays. I 
> personally am not a fan of the 720. If you're lusting after an old Trek, my 
> preference would be the 1983 or older 620.  I had one of those, and it was a 
> great bike. The 720 is a purpose built loaded tourer. It may not appear so to 
> the eye, but it's built of very stout tubing, and won't ride as nicely 
> unloaded as some of the other suggestions, and certainly not as nice as a 
> Roadini. I don't know how it would compare to a LHT. The deal killer for the 
> 720, though, are the wheels and brakes. It was built around 27" wheels with 
> cantilever brakes and very narrow brake post spacing. Without getting too 
> deep in the weeds, that makes it challenging to convert to 700c. It's much 
> easier on the 1983 620 with regular caliper brakes. The 620 also was built of 
> lighter tubing.
> 
> Where are you located? Have you found any bikes for sale locally that you are 
> interested in?
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:05:45 AM UTC-4 Jay P wrote:
>> You have at least two great options that are easy to find (with a little 
>> patience):
>> 
>> 1)  Specialized Sequoia, earlier the better
>> 
>> Obvio.  For all the reasons.  But I think this is better :
>> 
>> 
>> 2)  Trek 710 (1983 or before, earlier maybe better but not necessarily)  
>> 
>> I"m surprised these don't get higher prices as it is the perfect all around 
>> road bike -- Rivendells surely improve on them but
>> 
>> I've seen some frames/forks clear up to 700x40, but you need to triple 
>> confirm because sometimes just barely 35mm. Often already have rack mounts.  
>> I've set up many people on these and almost uniformly superb riding bikes -- 
>> lively, fun, practical, probably supple.   If you're feeling flush, have a 
>> framebuilder improve it (downtube cable stops, better brake cable routing, 
>> 2nd and/or 3rd water bottle cage mounts (triple mount on seat tube for the 
>> King manything ti cage?), rear der. stop?) and get it powder coated or 
>> painted.   Phenomenal bikes.  I'm surprised we all aren't competing for 
>> these.  
>> 
>> + make sure you have proper stem, handlebars, wheels, and tires
>> 
>> A nice 710 (without the framebuilding stuff) + parts (assuming you do the 
>> work + have some parts around) = maybe $500-800
>> 
>> Best value around !
>> 
>> Wishing you well 
>> Jay P.
>> Kauai 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going through 
>>> some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up something else 
>>> in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my primary main bike 
>>> for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up with an Alfine IGH 8 
>>> and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when my bro and I visit we 
>>> have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>> 
>>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
>>> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
>>> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
>>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>> 
>>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this bike 
>>> and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these things are 
>>> going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as $200-300 bikes, 
>>> but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>> 
>>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
>>> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
>>> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
>>> French sized parts? 
>>> 
>>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
>>> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
>>> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
>>> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
>>> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
>>> this query. 
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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Eric Daume]

I had a Roadini, briefly, and didn’t find it a particularly inspiring bike
to ride. The OS tubing is quite stout and felt like more a touring bike to
me. A generic UJB (or an old Trek) will likely give a livelier ride, though
you might miss the wonderful high stack of the Roadini.

Eric

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, Yankeebird  wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike.
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this
> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these
> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as
> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind.
>
> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be
> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for
> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding
> French sized parts?
>
> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the
> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes
> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a
> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I
> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence
> this query.
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Michael Morrissey]

Is there any way we could retire this thread and restart it (perhaps "Bikes 
spotted for sale - Autumn 2021")? It's a lot to scroll through.

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:39:34 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Clem Smith Jr.
> 59cm
> $1700
> Eugene, OR
>
> https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/wilbur-59-cm-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7380421249.html
>
>
> Sam Hillborne
> 62cm
> $3200
> Oakland, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-sam-hillborne-62cm/7379878283.html

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Christopher Cote]

I've never seen a Specialized Sequoia in person. Maybe they're more common 
on the west coast, but around here, you'd have a better chance of finding a 
Heron Road, or Riv Rambouillet used. I've also never understood why the 
Sequoia has such status here. It's not very "Riv-ish". To me, the first 
tenet of Rivishness is a slack seat tube. Everything else is built around 
that. The Sequoia has a 74 degree STA. Sure, you can set a super setback 
seatpost, but that makes the reach to the bars way too long, and upsets the 
whole aesthetic.

Yankeebird - there's a lot more to the Trek 720 than the long chainstays. I 
personally am not a fan of the 720. If you're lusting after an old Trek, my 
preference would be the 1983 or older 620.  I had one of those, and it was 
a great bike. The 720 is a purpose built loaded tourer. It may not appear 
so to the eye, but it's built of very stout tubing, and won't ride as 
nicely unloaded as some of the other suggestions, and certainly not as nice 
as a Roadini. I don't know how it would compare to a LHT. The deal killer 
for the 720, though, are the wheels and brakes. It was built around 27" 
wheels with cantilever brakes and very narrow brake post spacing. Without 
getting too deep in the weeds, that makes it challenging to convert to 
700c. It's much easier on the 1983 620 with regular caliper brakes. The 620 
also was built of lighter tubing.

Where are you located? Have you found any bikes for sale locally that you 
are interested in?

Chris


On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:05:45 AM UTC-4 Jay P wrote:

> You have at least two great options that are easy to find (with a little 
> patience):
>
> 1)  Specialized Sequoia, earlier the better
>
> Obvio.  For all the reasons.  But I think this is better :
>
>
> 2)  Trek 710 (1983 or before, earlier maybe better but not necessarily)  
>
> I"m surprised these don't get higher prices as it is the perfect all 
> around road bike -- Rivendells surely improve on them but
>
> I've seen some frames/forks clear up to 700x40, but you need to triple 
> confirm because sometimes just barely 35mm. Often already have rack mounts. 
>  I've set up many people on these and almost uniformly superb riding bikes 
> -- lively, fun, practical, probably supple.   If you're feeling flush, have 
> a framebuilder improve it (downtube cable stops, better brake cable 
> routing, 2nd and/or 3rd water bottle cage mounts (triple mount on seat tube 
> for the King manything ti cage?), rear der. stop?) and get it powder coated 
> or painted.   Phenomenal bikes.  I'm surprised we all aren't competing for 
> these.  
>
> + make sure you have proper stem, handlebars, wheels, and tires
>
> A nice 710 (without the framebuilding stuff) + parts (assuming you do the 
> work + have some parts around) = maybe $500-800
>
> Best value around !
>
> Wishing you well 
> Jay P.
> Kauai 
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>
>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
>> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
>> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>
>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
>> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>
>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
>> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
>> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
>> French sized parts? 
>>
>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
>> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
>> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
>> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
>> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
>> this query. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: Paul Minimotos for Paul Motolite V Brakes

[Johnny Alien]

I found the same issue with mini-v's on my gallop.  They just barely clear 
the size tire that I want. In my case it makes it but a notch larger and 
they wouldn't work.

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 8:41:45 AM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi!
>
> The Minimotos don't have enough clearance for my Rivendell with 2" tires 
> and fenders. I would like to try Motolite brakes instead. Anyone interested?
>
> I actually have 3 Minimotos - 1 new purple one still in the box, and 2 
> anodized a reddish/brown color. 
>
> I am in NYC and would love to trade in person.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] WTB: 59 Roadeo or 57 Roadini (complete, ideally)

[Adam Kimball]

Just wanted to (re)post - I am looking for a very clean 59cm Roadeo or 57 
Roadini.  Given the low inventory of bikes, I know parting with one 
wouldn't be easy but I'd try to make it worth it for you.  Let me know what 
you have.

Thanks,
Adam

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[RBW] WTT: Paul Minimotos for Paul Motolite V Brakes

[Michael Morrissey]

Hi!

The Minimotos don't have enough clearance for my Rivendell with 2" tires 
and fenders. I would like to try Motolite brakes instead. Anyone interested?

I actually have 3 Minimotos - 1 new purple one still in the box, and 2 
anodized a reddish/brown color. 

I am in NYC and would love to trade in person.

Thank you!

Michael

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[RBW] Re: September 10 Blahg, drive train gearing development

[iamkeith]

Nice, Erl.  Pinion is my dream.  As I get closer to knowing what my one, 
final, forever bike might look like in terms of geometry, it becomes easier 
to justify the cost.  My frustrations with conventional drivetrains, which 
mirror Grant's (ever-changing standards for marketing's sake, electronics), 
make it easier to justify REGARDLESS of cost.  

I don't get the fear of the  black box either.  It's just a cover that 
keeps things clean, while simultaneously eliminating all the issues that 
come from a slack chain.  I disassembled and re-built a sturmey archer hub 
when I was 8, and it still worked.  10 years later,  I did the same thing 
again with a seized, 30+ year old one and then rode it for several years in 
college until I got my first mountain bike in the mid 80s.  I'm currently 
adding cable stops to my quickbeam so I can permanently put a 3-speed on 
it.  At some point, IGs are going to be the last retrogrouch sanctuary.


On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 6:19:18 PM UTC-6 WETH wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> I'd add Pinion to your list in addition to Rohloff.  I recently had Bob at 
> Bantam 
> Bicycle Works  build me a custom around a 
> Pinion P1.18 gearbox.  I've ridden it 1,000 miles since early July, 
> including a 6 day, 340 mile tour through Ohio.  I enjoy the gear spread, 
> the smoothness of the carbon belt drive, and the lack of regular 
> maintenance.  Since I am straying off topic already, I'll leave you with a 
> link: https://pinion.eu/en/p-line/
> And a photo.
> All the best,
> Erl
> Kensington, MD
> [image: C84103C9-33A9-455A-AD41-717DD3DDFAB3.jpg]
> On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Grant spoke of * the SRAM-SHIMANO cogs race that, you should know, 
>> is going to culminate in an internal drive train that will be the end of 
>> the obvious mechanical bicycle in..ten years?*
>>
>> I like Grant's preference for simplicity, but I also think that there are 
>> huge undeveloped possibilities in hub gear drivetrains that will re-connect 
>> us with an ancient line of  drivetrain development that started 
>> commercially in the 1880s -- there were earlier experiments -- and that 
>> Sturmey Archer continued with its dozens of models until the 1950s.
>>
>> Since then, development has been aimed at the utility market, except for 
>> Rohloff, but I think there are great possiblities for better designed and 
>> better made hub gears with more intelligent gear spreads and greater 
>> reliability and lower drag.
>>
>> Note that IVT claims 97% efficiency for its CVT hub gear.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who expects a Sturmey Archer TC in the mail on Tuesday (2 
>> speed fixed with direct high and 86.54% underdrive, 76" and 66"), and who 
>> also has AMs (3 speed freewheel: 111.5% overdrive, direct, 86.54% 
>> underdrive, 72-65-56) and a TF (2 speed fixed, direct and 75% underdrive, 
>> 72", 54").
>>
>>
>>
>> that more or less dead-ended in the 1960s, with some exceptions like 
>> Rohloff and Nuvinci
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World

[Joe Bernard]

Oh Kate 😂 
500 miles with no training or prep is definitely cockamamie! Yet 
impressive!!!

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:26:08 PM UTC-7 upyou...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

> I love a good cockamamie idea that takes shape and becomes more than one 
> ever thought it would.  I am off to locate the blog and book now.
> Kate (who read an article at 3AM in the middle of her night shift about 
> riding across Iowa and thought that was a good idea and then went and 
> bought a hybrid bike and went and rode the 500 miles with no training or 
> prep...wearing mens bike shorts that she added kotex pads to because 500 
> miles is a lot of miles in one week)!!!
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 10:37:18 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> Seeing the tropical disease problem in Africa sounds credible.  When I 
>> saw him, he'd been down Africa & up South America.  Plenty of time to 
>> develop an idea.  He had a fairly polished presentation so he may have been 
>> drumming up interest in his project as he went.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:55:48 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> He meets up in the pub six years later, "Well boys, I was almost eaten 
>>> by an alligator and shot by rebels, but I did it."
>>>
>>> "We were kidding, mate." 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:48:05 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>
 He had to leave, his drunken mates said "I double dog dare you" or some 
 equivalent in London-ish.

 Mike SLO CA

 On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:37:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Most people who have a harebrained idea in a pub with their buddies 
> after 6 pints sober up the next day and decide it's a ridiculous idea! 
> 🍻🍻🍻🤣
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:31:32 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I think it’s fun to discuss. Carry on, people!
>>
>> I also got the impression Stephen (whose name I misspelled in the 
>> original post, argh) just DID it. I haven’t purchased the book yet, but 
>> I 
>> listened to his story on the podcast and he seemed to have just come to 
>> the 
>> conclusion that cycling around the world was something he should do. Of 
>> course this was after his 6th pint. In a pub. With his buddies. 🤣
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> I suspect you're both probably right, you've heard the gentleman 
>> speak over the years whereas his journey is new to me. I just read the 
>> Prolologue again and got the same impression as before, he just NEEDED 
>> to 
>> go. This is how this section ends: 
>>
>>
>> [At times, I wondered why leaving home felt like such an obvious 
>> decision at all. Now, I think I was simply longing for a less certain 
>> future. And uncertainty, whether in life or bike rides, is the heart and 
>> soul of any journey.]
>>
>> Anyway, at this point my interest and excitement about what this is 
>> all about iis bordering on a distraction from Leah's reasons for the 
>> thread 
>> so I'll stop my ruminating. It's a good book! Go read it! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 4:50:33 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> What I got from the blog was that he was an ER doctor.  He didn't 
>>> start specializing in tropical diseases until he actually was on the 
>>> tour.
>>> He got some whiff of it in Africa, but it was the trip up from 
>>> Indonesia-Maylaysia-India that rubbed his nose in it.
>>> It's been 5 years since I read the blog - somebody read the book and 
>>> tell me if I'm wrong.
>>>
>>> At the start, he was feeling burned out at work, was in a pub with 
>>> his mates, and after a couple of pints decided to bike around the world.
>>> He went back to the hospital, took a leave of absence, got a bike, 
>>> made sure his mother was being cared for, and headed out into Europe.
>>> So I think the answer was "Because he said he was going to, that 
>>> evening at the pub."
>>>
>>> NOW he's a doctor specializing in tropical diseases, after actually 
>>> seeing how medicine worked in some of the places he biked through.  But 
>>> I 
>>> do not believe he was when he started.
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