[RBW] ISO: Capable commuter bike for 90pbh person in SF Bay Area

[Jared Wilson]

Hey gang

After such quick results regarding my Hunqapillar trade last week I've 
decided to try my hand at another ISO posting, this time for my older 
brother.

He's recently moved much closer to his place of work and contacted me about 
getting a bike to commute on.

I'm so happy to hear this and want to help him get on the right bike.

He currently has an aluminum Klein road bike that he's never really enjoyed 
so I want to help him get set up and enjoying his time in the saddle.

He's roughly 6'1", PBH of 89-90, weight of 180lbs, all by my approximation.

I figure something lugged steel with cantilever brakes and clearance for 
minimum 30mm tires should put us on the right track, but open to whatever's 
recommended.

Ideally I'm thinking Bridgestone X0-something or another would be good, 
newer bikes like Surly Cross Check or Handsome XOXO also encouraged.

Price range is sub $1,000, he's not in need of all the bells and whistles, 
just something reliable and fun to ride.

He's located in Sunnyvale and can check out bikes around SF Bay Area, 
prefer to hold off on shipping for the time being because I really want him 
to jive with his new bike so the risk of buying something site unseen makes 
me a bit nervous.

Looking forward to hearing what's available, please respond off list.

Thanks :)

Jared






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Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World

[Joe Bernard]

John, it's 15 minutes into 20 Years Later, it's an extra tacked on the end 
of that episode. Go to 15 minutes in, soon you'll hear them wrapping up 
that story, then Fabes starts. His segment is only about 6 minutes. 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Man, I'd really love to listen to this story, but I cannot seem to find 
> it. I've followed the link provided, but it doesn't seem to be attached to 
> another Moth episode, only the one entitled '20 Years Later'. I've scoured 
> the other Moth episodes for Stephen's name, but nothing. A Google search of 
> 'Stephen Fabes, Moth podcast' also does not reveal the episode.
>
> I know Eric asked for the link and Joe provided some assistance, but I 
> still can't seem to pinpoint the interview. 
>
> At this point, I think I'm just going to have to ride to London (from 
> Japan), search Stephen out, buy him a few pints and hear the stories first 
> hand. Maybe I'll even retrace some of his steps. 
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:22:58 PM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh Kate 😂 
>> 500 miles with no training or prep is definitely cockamamie! Yet 
>> impressive!!!
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:26:08 PM UTC-7 upyou...@yahoo.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love a good cockamamie idea that takes shape and becomes more than one 
>>> ever thought it would.  I am off to locate the blog and book now.
>>> Kate (who read an article at 3AM in the middle of her night shift about 
>>> riding across Iowa and thought that was a good idea and then went and 
>>> bought a hybrid bike and went and rode the 500 miles with no training or 
>>> prep...wearing mens bike shorts that she added kotex pads to because 500 
>>> miles is a lot of miles in one week)!!!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 10:37:18 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>>>
 Seeing the tropical disease problem in Africa sounds credible.  When I 
 saw him, he'd been down Africa & up South America.  Plenty of time to 
 develop an idea.  He had a fairly polished presentation so he may have 
 been 
 drumming up interest in his project as he went.  

 dougP

 On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:55:48 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> He meets up in the pub six years later, "Well boys, I was almost eaten 
> by an alligator and shot by rebels, but I did it."
>
> "We were kidding, mate." 
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:48:05 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> He had to leave, his drunken mates said "I double dog dare you" or 
>> some equivalent in London-ish.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:37:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Most people who have a harebrained idea in a pub with their buddies 
>>> after 6 pints sober up the next day and decide it's a ridiculous idea! 
>>> 🍻🍻🍻🤣
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:31:32 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle 
>>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I think it’s fun to discuss. Carry on, people!

 I also got the impression Stephen (whose name I misspelled in the 
 original post, argh) just DID it. I haven’t purchased the book yet, 
 but I 
 listened to his story on the podcast and he seemed to have just come 
 to the 
 conclusion that cycling around the world was something he should do. 
 Of 
 course this was after his 6th pint. In a pub. With his buddies. 🤣

 Sent from my iPad

 On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 I suspect you're both probably right, you've heard the gentleman 
 speak over the years whereas his journey is new to me. I just read the 
 Prolologue again and got the same impression as before, he just NEEDED 
 to 
 go. This is how this section ends: 


 [At times, I wondered why leaving home felt like such an obvious 
 decision at all. Now, I think I was simply longing for a less certain 
 future. And uncertainty, whether in life or bike rides, is the heart 
 and 
 soul of any journey.]

 Anyway, at this point my interest and excitement about what this is 
 all about iis bordering on a distraction from Leah's reasons for the 
 thread 
 so I'll stop my ruminating. It's a good book! Go read it! 

 Joe Bernard
 On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 4:50:33 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> What I got from the blog was that he was an ER doctor.  He didn't 
> start specializing in tropical diseases until he actually was on the 
> tour.
> He got some whiff of it in Africa, but it was the trip up from 
> Indonesia-Maylaysia-India that rubbed his nose in it.
> It's been 5 years since I r

Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World

[John Rinker]

Thanks Joe. Turns out I had to listen to it on the Apple podcast app for 
the final 6 min. Brilliant story with a fine payoff. 

Cheers.


On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 4:31:50 PM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:

> John, it's 15 minutes into 20 Years Later, it's an extra tacked on the end 
> of that episode. Go to 15 minutes in, soon you'll hear them wrapping up 
> that story, then Fabes starts. His segment is only about 6 minutes. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Man, I'd really love to listen to this story, but I cannot seem to find 
>> it. I've followed the link provided, but it doesn't seem to be attached to 
>> another Moth episode, only the one entitled '20 Years Later'. I've scoured 
>> the other Moth episodes for Stephen's name, but nothing. A Google search of 
>> 'Stephen Fabes, Moth podcast' also does not reveal the episode.
>>
>> I know Eric asked for the link and Joe provided some assistance, but I 
>> still can't seem to pinpoint the interview. 
>>
>> At this point, I think I'm just going to have to ride to London (from 
>> Japan), search Stephen out, buy him a few pints and hear the stories first 
>> hand. Maybe I'll even retrace some of his steps. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:22:58 PM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh Kate 😂 
>>> 500 miles with no training or prep is definitely cockamamie! Yet 
>>> impressive!!!
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:26:08 PM UTC-7 upyou...@yahoo.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love a good cockamamie idea that takes shape and becomes more than 
 one ever thought it would.  I am off to locate the blog and book now.
 Kate (who read an article at 3AM in the middle of her night shift about 
 riding across Iowa and thought that was a good idea and then went and 
 bought a hybrid bike and went and rode the 500 miles with no training or 
 prep...wearing mens bike shorts that she added kotex pads to because 500 
 miles is a lot of miles in one week)!!!

 On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 10:37:18 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:

> Seeing the tropical disease problem in Africa sounds credible.  When I 
> saw him, he'd been down Africa & up South America.  Plenty of time to 
> develop an idea.  He had a fairly polished presentation so he may have 
> been 
> drumming up interest in his project as he went.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:55:48 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> He meets up in the pub six years later, "Well boys, I was almost 
>> eaten by an alligator and shot by rebels, but I did it."
>>
>> "We were kidding, mate." 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:48:05 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> He had to leave, his drunken mates said "I double dog dare you" or 
>>> some equivalent in London-ish.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:37:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Most people who have a harebrained idea in a pub with their buddies 
 after 6 pints sober up the next day and decide it's a ridiculous idea! 
 🍻🍻🍻🤣



 On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:31:32 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle 
 Ding Ding! wrote:

> I think it’s fun to discuss. Carry on, people!
>
> I also got the impression Stephen (whose name I misspelled in the 
> original post, argh) just DID it. I haven’t purchased the book yet, 
> but I 
> listened to his story on the podcast and he seemed to have just come 
> to the 
> conclusion that cycling around the world was something he should do. 
> Of 
> course this was after his 6th pint. In a pub. With his buddies. 🤣
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Joe Bernard  
> wrote:
>
> I suspect you're both probably right, you've heard the gentleman 
> speak over the years whereas his journey is new to me. I just read 
> the 
> Prolologue again and got the same impression as before, he just 
> NEEDED to 
> go. This is how this section ends: 
>
>
> [At times, I wondered why leaving home felt like such an obvious 
> decision at all. Now, I think I was simply longing for a less certain 
> future. And uncertainty, whether in life or bike rides, is the heart 
> and 
> soul of any journey.]
>
> Anyway, at this point my interest and excitement about what this 
> is all about iis bordering on a distraction from Leah's reasons for 
> the 
> thread so I'll stop my ruminating. It's a good book! Go read it! 
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 4:50:33 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World

[Eric Marth]

I still can't find this episode. I've tried in Spotify and Apple podcasts. 
And the Moth website. The 20 Years Later episode is showing a full runtime 
of 16 minutes on both platforms, nothing but credits at the 15-minute 
mark.  
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:46:49 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Thanks Joe. Turns out I had to listen to it on the Apple podcast app for 
> the final 6 min. Brilliant story with a fine payoff. 
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 4:31:50 PM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> John, it's 15 minutes into 20 Years Later, it's an extra tacked on the 
>> end of that episode. Go to 15 minutes in, soon you'll hear them wrapping up 
>> that story, then Fabes starts. His segment is only about 6 minutes. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Man, I'd really love to listen to this story, but I cannot seem to find 
>>> it. I've followed the link provided, but it doesn't seem to be attached to 
>>> another Moth episode, only the one entitled '20 Years Later'. I've scoured 
>>> the other Moth episodes for Stephen's name, but nothing. A Google search of 
>>> 'Stephen Fabes, Moth podcast' also does not reveal the episode.
>>>
>>> I know Eric asked for the link and Joe provided some assistance, but I 
>>> still can't seem to pinpoint the interview. 
>>>
>>> At this point, I think I'm just going to have to ride to London (from 
>>> Japan), search Stephen out, buy him a few pints and hear the stories first 
>>> hand. Maybe I'll even retrace some of his steps. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:22:58 PM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh Kate 😂 
 500 miles with no training or prep is definitely cockamamie! Yet 
 impressive!!!

 Joe Bernard

 On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:26:08 PM UTC-7 upyou...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:

> I love a good cockamamie idea that takes shape and becomes more than 
> one ever thought it would.  I am off to locate the blog and book now.
> Kate (who read an article at 3AM in the middle of her night shift 
> about riding across Iowa and thought that was a good idea and then went 
> and 
> bought a hybrid bike and went and rode the 500 miles with no training or 
> prep...wearing mens bike shorts that she added kotex pads to because 500 
> miles is a lot of miles in one week)!!!
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 10:37:18 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> Seeing the tropical disease problem in Africa sounds credible.  When 
>> I saw him, he'd been down Africa & up South America.  Plenty of time to 
>> develop an idea.  He had a fairly polished presentation so he may have 
>> been 
>> drumming up interest in his project as he went.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:55:48 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> He meets up in the pub six years later, "Well boys, I was almost 
>>> eaten by an alligator and shot by rebels, but I did it."
>>>
>>> "We were kidding, mate." 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:48:05 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>
 He had to leave, his drunken mates said "I double dog dare you" or 
 some equivalent in London-ish.

 Mike SLO CA

 On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:37:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard 
 wrote:

> Most people who have a harebrained idea in a pub with their 
> buddies after 6 pints sober up the next day and decide it's a 
> ridiculous 
> idea! 🍻🍻🍻🤣
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:31:32 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle 
> Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> I think it’s fun to discuss. Carry on, people!
>>
>> I also got the impression Stephen (whose name I misspelled in the 
>> original post, argh) just DID it. I haven’t purchased the book yet, 
>> but I 
>> listened to his story on the podcast and he seemed to have just come 
>> to the 
>> conclusion that cycling around the world was something he should do. 
>> Of 
>> course this was after his 6th pint. In a pub. With his buddies. 🤣
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I suspect you're both probably right, you've heard the gentleman 
>> speak over the years whereas his journey is new to me. I just read 
>> the 
>> Prolologue again and got the same impression as before, he just 
>> NEEDED to 
>> go. This is how this section ends: 
>>
>>
>> [At times, I wondered why leaving home felt like such an obvious 
>> decision at all. Now, I think I was simply longing for a less 
>> certain 
>> future. And uncertainty, wheth

Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Collin A]

54 Ram on KSL (craigslist-like) in Salt Lake City. Owner specified local 
sale only, though...$1600
Rivendell Rambouillet steel commuter, t… | Cycling | ksl.com 


Collin, in SLC for the week
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:34:28 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Platypus
> 60cm
> $1650
> Highland Park, LA, CA
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-platypus-60cm/7381224285.html
>
>
> Joe Appaloosa
> 58cm (no double top tube, looks like a 57, confirm size with owner)
> $2300
> Happy Valley, OR
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/601242284231403

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[John G.]

I can't believe I almost missed a chance to comment on my favorite topic! 
You, my friend, are looking for a Regular Ass Road Bike. There are a ton of 
good suggestions here. Here's my take as a Roadeo owner with a stable of 
RARBs from the late 70s/early 80s:

-  I love my Roadeo, but I also love my Mercian Superlight, my Mercian 
Vincitore, my Nishiki Ultimate, etc. 
- Be careful going after a full touring frame. I have a Voyageur SP. It's 
very stately, but not very spritely. A touring frame will almost quite 
certainly throw you into the pain cave that is 27-inch to 700C with Cantis 
conversion.
- That being said, and as others have mentioned, you can get GREAT results 
with a caliper-equipped frame originally made for 27-inch tires. My 
Vincitore was made for 27 inch tires, and it now fits 35mm 700c under 
fenders. 
- a decent frame from that era is worthy of some new components, especially 
wheels. You'll just need to be mindful of rear spacing. I've been very 
happy with the VO 126mm hub.
- Cranks might be an issue, too. A lot of them come with 52/42 chainrings 
with annoying BCDs like 144. FWIW, I can handle a 53 chainring better on a 
standard diameter bike than on an OS bike.

If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about 
being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too 
much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.


On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have 
> with it? :)
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>>
>> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a 
>> lot for around 3 years.
>>
>> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne about 
>> a year ago and have been riding it more.
>>
>> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty 
>> good stuff. 
>>
>> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm 
>> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 
>>
>> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>>
>> I've had a Specialized Expedition,  
>> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a 
>> custom touring bike.
>>
>> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in 
>> riding performance or feel or whatever. 
>>
>> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
>>
>> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some 
>> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with 
>> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>>
>> Good luck with your search.
>>
>> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
>> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked 
>> chrome finish.
>>
>> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. 
>> Non original fork , I don't care for,
>> however will only take a 32.
>>
>> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 
>>
>> Good luck with your search.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Lightly used (-200 miles) pair of Soma Cazaderos 650B x 50

[Alex K]

Price bump.  $65 shipped CONUS  Make me an offer!  I'm in San 
Francisco, so if you're local, I could do $50

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 9:32:11 AM UTC-7 Alex K wrote:

>

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[RBW] A Busy Weekend for Some Of You

[Mathieu Brown]

Good Monday Morning, Team,

To my eye, it looks like a few of you read Will's email from Friday, hit
the website, and went to work.

For those of you who helped to sell out the current allotment of custom
frame orders, we look forward to updates of what you have on the way 🙂

MATHIEU BROWN

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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[James Valiensi]

I need a Fat Ass Road Bike, any suggestions?

> On Sep 20, 2021, at 7:22 AM, John G.  wrote:
> 
> I can't believe I almost missed a chance to comment on my favorite topic! 
> You, my friend, are looking for a Regular Ass Road Bike. There are a ton of 
> good suggestions here. Here's my take as a Roadeo owner with a stable of 
> RARBs from the late 70s/early 80s:
> 
> -  I love my Roadeo, but I also love my Mercian Superlight, my Mercian 
> Vincitore, my Nishiki Ultimate, etc. 
> - Be careful going after a full touring frame. I have a Voyageur SP. It's 
> very stately, but not very spritely. A touring frame will almost quite 
> certainly throw you into the pain cave that is 27-inch to 700C with Cantis 
> conversion.
> - That being said, and as others have mentioned, you can get GREAT results 
> with a caliper-equipped frame originally made for 27-inch tires. My Vincitore 
> was made for 27 inch tires, and it now fits 35mm 700c under fenders. 
> - a decent frame from that era is worthy of some new components, especially 
> wheels. You'll just need to be mindful of rear spacing. I've been very happy 
> with the VO 126mm hub.
> - Cranks might be an issue, too. A lot of them come with 52/42 chainrings 
> with annoying BCDs like 144. FWIW, I can handle a 53 chainring better on a 
> standard diameter bike than on an OS bike.
> 
> If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about 
> being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too much 
> surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.
> 
> 
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
> Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have with 
> it? :)
> 
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
> 
> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a lot 
> for around 3 years.
> 
> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne about a 
> year ago and have been riding it more.
> 
> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty good 
> stuff. 
> 
> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm 
> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 
> 
> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
> 
> I've had a Specialized Expedition,  
> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a custom 
> touring bike.
> 
> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in riding 
> performance or feel or whatever. 
> 
> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
> 
> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some 
> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with 
> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
> 
> Good luck with your search.
> 
> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked chrome 
> finish.
> 
> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. 
> Non original fork , I don't care for,
> however will only take a 32.
> 
> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 
> 
> Good luck with your search.
> 
> Paul in Dallas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
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[RBW] Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Tim Bantham]

There has been an ongoing thread about Mid 80's steel road bikes. Like some 
of you out there I am in the market for a "regular ass road bike". This 
whole year I've been riding my Sam Hillborne roadie style. Shoes and clip 
in pedals, drop bars positioned below the saddle, no racks and just a 
x-small Sackville. You know what? The Sam makes a fantastic road bike! It 
rides like a dream, is plenty comfortable on 38mm tubeless tires and I find 
it to be fast enough for my needs. It's a little heavy going up hill but 
I'm willing to live with that. 

Given my current preferences I think my next Riv just has to be a Roadeo. I 
know it will be a long wait if I end up putting a deposit down but at least 
I'll always have the Sam. 

So who has a Roadeo? Show me your photos for inspiration!! 

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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Benjamin Park]

I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer, probably 
1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike! Columbus tubing 
is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little rando bike. Actually 
does ok with the weight of a front bag.  I have some RH 32s on it but agree 
it could take 35s.  116mm rear spacing is a bummer though!

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, look for 
> some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even 1960s, if you 
> can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very light (much 
> lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and the Legolas; 
> all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without fenders. Ditto for the 
> 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: easily room for 35s 
> at least and probably 37s. There's one on Ebay now; see attached photo. 
> (300 Euros, but alas in Italy.)
>
> The early 1970s Libertas frame that is now hanging on the wall waiting for 
> a build is even lighter and has more clearance; my brother said he got 
> 37s-38s in his; and mine -- 60 X 56 c-c -- weighs**5.9 lb** in this large 
> size; that's frame and fork *and* steel Campy headset. (The Libertas has 
> a reputation for nice handling, too.) My brother (last count 26 bikes -- 
> that he remembers, and this after divesting himself of many others -- has 
> owned many ~50 year old steel road frames that took 35-38 mm tires,
>
> My former blue-edition Rambouillet took 32s (about 31 mm actual IIRC) with 
> fenders, and could probably have taken 35s without under normal reach 
> single pivots.
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:41 PM st nick  wrote:
>
>>
>> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a 
>> lot for around 3 years.
>>
>> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne about 
>> a year ago and have been riding it more.
>>
>> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty 
>> good stuff. 
>>
>> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm 
>> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 
>>
>> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>>
>> I've had a Specialized Expedition,  
>> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a 
>> custom touring bike.
>>
>> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in 
>> riding performance or feel or whatever. 
>>
>> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
>>
>> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some 
>> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with 
>> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>>
>> Good luck with your search.
>>
>> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
>> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked 
>> chrome finish.
>>
>> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. 
>> Non original fork , I don't care for,
>> however will only take a 32.
>>
>> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 
>>
>> Good luck with your search.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Patrick Moore]

A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 1966 felt
smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the standard-gauge tubing,
(2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively (relative to
post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I road it, IIRC, with
Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and still, it felt smooth.

Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL was, but
I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been anything from 116 to
120.

I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a beater
commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter.

But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where I should
have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park 
wrote:

> I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer, probably
> 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike! Columbus tubing
> is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little rando bike. Actually
> does ok with the weight of a front bag.  I have some RH 32s on it but agree
> it could take 35s.  116mm rear spacing is a bummer though!
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, look for
>> some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even 1960s, if you
>> can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very light (much
>> lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and the Legolas;
>> all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without fenders. Ditto for the
>> 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: easily room for 35s
>> at least and probably 37s. There's one on Ebay now; see attached photo.
>> (300 Euros, but alas in Italy.)
>>
>> The early 1970s Libertas frame that is now hanging on the wall waiting
>> for a build is even lighter and has more clearance; my brother said he got
>> 37s-38s in his; and mine -- 60 X 56 c-c -- weighs**5.9 lb** in this large
>> size; that's frame and fork *and* steel Campy headset. (The Libertas has
>> a reputation for nice handling, too.) My brother (last count 26 bikes --
>> that he remembers, and this after divesting himself of many others -- has
>> owned many ~50 year old steel road frames that took 35-38 mm tires,
>>
>> My former blue-edition Rambouillet took 32s (about 31 mm actual IIRC)
>> with fenders, and could probably have taken 35s without under normal reach
>> single pivots.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:41 PM st nick  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a
>>> lot for around 3 years.
>>>
>>> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne
>>> about a year ago and have been riding it more.
>>>
>>> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty
>>> good stuff.
>>>
>>> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm
>>> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels.
>>>
>>> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>>>
>>> I've had a Specialized Expedition,
>>> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a
>>> custom touring bike.
>>>
>>> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in
>>> riding performance or feel or whatever.
>>>
>>> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
>>>
>>> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some
>>> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with
>>> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your search.
>>>
>>> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
>>> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked
>>> chrome finish.
>>>
>>> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem.
>>> Non original fork , I don't care for,
>>> however will only take a 32.
>>>
>>> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your search.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Patrick Moore]

Come to think of it, I temporarily resolved the too-small frame with a
custom Salsa upjutter quill stem. Wonder where that stem went.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:51 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 1966 felt
> smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the standard-gauge tubing,
> (2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively (relative to
> post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I road it, IIRC, with
> Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and still, it felt smooth.
>
> Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL was, but
> I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been anything from 116 to
> 120.
>
> I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a beater
> commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter.
>
> But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where I
> should have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park 
> wrote:
>
>> I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer, probably
>> 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike! Columbus tubing
>> is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little rando bike. Actually
>> does ok with the weight of a front bag.  I have some RH 32s on it but agree
>> it could take 35s.  116mm rear spacing is a bummer though!
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, look for
>>> some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even 1960s, if you
>>> can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very light (much
>>> lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and the Legolas;
>>> all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without fenders. Ditto for the
>>> 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: easily room for 35s
>>> at least and probably 37s. There's one on Ebay now; see attached photo.
>>> (300 Euros, but alas in Italy.)
>>>
>>> The early 1970s Libertas frame that is now hanging on the wall waiting
>>> for a build is even lighter and has more clearance; my brother said he got
>>> 37s-38s in his; and mine -- 60 X 56 c-c -- weighs**5.9 lb** in this large
>>> size; that's frame and fork *and* steel Campy headset. (The Libertas
>>> has a reputation for nice handling, too.) My brother (last count 26 bikes
>>> -- that he remembers, and this after divesting himself of many others --
>>> has owned many ~50 year old steel road frames that took 35-38 mm tires,
>>>
>>> My former blue-edition Rambouillet took 32s (about 31 mm actual IIRC)
>>> with fenders, and could probably have taken 35s without under normal reach
>>> single pivots.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:41 PM st nick  wrote:
>>>

 I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying
 a lot for around 3 years.

 The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne
 about a year ago and have been riding it more.

 I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is
 pretty good stuff.

 On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm
 clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels.

 The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.

 I've had a Specialized Expedition,
 Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a
 custom touring bike.

 I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in
 riding performance or feel or whatever.

 It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode
 terrific.

 The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some
 cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with
 higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.

 Good luck with your search.

 The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked
 chrome finish.

 I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem.
 Non original fork , I don't care for,
 however will only take a 32.

 I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork.

 Good luck with your search.

 Paul in Dallas





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Re: [RBW] Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Patrick Moore]

Oh! Please post photos of your Bottechia.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:52 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Come to think of it, I temporarily resolved the too-small frame with a
> custom Salsa upjutter quill stem. Wonder where that stem went.
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:51 AM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 1966 felt
>> smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the standard-gauge tubing,
>> (2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively (relative to
>> post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I road it, IIRC, with
>> Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and still, it felt smooth.
>>
>> Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL was,
>> but I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been anything from 116
>> to 120.
>>
>> I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a beater
>> commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter.
>>
>> But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where I
>> should have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer,
>>> probably 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike!
>>> Columbus tubing is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little rando
>>> bike. Actually does ok with the weight of a front bag.  I have some RH 32s
>>> on it but agree it could take 35s.  116mm rear spacing is a bummer though!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, look
 for some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even 1960s, if
 you can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very light
 (much lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and the
 Legolas; all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without fenders. Ditto
 for the 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: easily room
 for 35s at least and probably 37s. There's one on Ebay now; see attached
 photo. (300 Euros, but alas in Italy.)

 The early 1970s Libertas frame that is now hanging on the wall waiting
 for a build is even lighter and has more clearance; my brother said he got
 37s-38s in his; and mine -- 60 X 56 c-c -- weighs**5.9 lb** in this large
 size; that's frame and fork *and* steel Campy headset. (The Libertas
 has a reputation for nice handling, too.) My brother (last count 26 bikes
 -- that he remembers, and this after divesting himself of many others --
 has owned many ~50 year old steel road frames that took 35-38 mm tires,

 My former blue-edition Rambouillet took 32s (about 31 mm actual IIRC)
 with fenders, and could probably have taken 35s without under normal reach
 single pivots.

 On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:41 PM st nick  wrote:

>
> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying
> a lot for around 3 years.
>
> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne
> about a year ago and have been riding it more.
>
> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is
> pretty good stuff.
>
> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm
> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels.
>
> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>
> I've had a Specialized Expedition,
> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a
> custom touring bike.
>
> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in
> riding performance or feel or whatever.
>
> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode
> terrific.
>
> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some
> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with
> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>
> Good luck with your search.
>
> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked
> chrome finish.
>
> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem.
> Non original fork , I don't care for,
> however will only take a 32.
>
> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork.
>
> Good luck with your search.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Doctor Who Cycled Around the World

[Joe Bernard]

Well let's try this. The only reason I even sort of know how to play them 
is Leah recommended (on Instagram) one about a guy who works with wolves 
and I sort of figured out how to listen to it after much fumbling with my 
phone like an old fart who'd just discovered digital technology. Here's the 
link from my Android on the app I use. I don't know what I'm doing, let's 
see if it helps anyone! 

https://castbox.fm/vb/422198181

Joe Bernard

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:03:48 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I still can't find this episode. I've tried in Spotify and Apple podcasts. 
> And the Moth website. The 20 Years Later episode is showing a full runtime 
> of 16 minutes on both platforms, nothing but credits at the 15-minute 
> mark.  
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:46:49 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joe. Turns out I had to listen to it on the Apple podcast app for 
>> the final 6 min. Brilliant story with a fine payoff. 
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 4:31:50 PM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> John, it's 15 minutes into 20 Years Later, it's an extra tacked on the 
>>> end of that episode. Go to 15 minutes in, soon you'll hear them wrapping up 
>>> that story, then Fabes starts. His segment is only about 6 minutes. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Man, I'd really love to listen to this story, but I cannot seem to find 
 it. I've followed the link provided, but it doesn't seem to be attached to 
 another Moth episode, only the one entitled '20 Years Later'. I've scoured 
 the other Moth episodes for Stephen's name, but nothing. A Google search 
 of 
 'Stephen Fabes, Moth podcast' also does not reveal the episode.

 I know Eric asked for the link and Joe provided some assistance, but I 
 still can't seem to pinpoint the interview. 

 At this point, I think I'm just going to have to ride to London (from 
 Japan), search Stephen out, buy him a few pints and hear the stories first 
 hand. Maybe I'll even retrace some of his steps. 

 Cheers, John



 On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:22:58 PM UTC+9 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh Kate 😂 
> 500 miles with no training or prep is definitely cockamamie! Yet 
> impressive!!!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:26:08 PM UTC-7 
> upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I love a good cockamamie idea that takes shape and becomes more than 
>> one ever thought it would.  I am off to locate the blog and book now.
>> Kate (who read an article at 3AM in the middle of her night shift 
>> about riding across Iowa and thought that was a good idea and then went 
>> and 
>> bought a hybrid bike and went and rode the 500 miles with no training or 
>> prep...wearing mens bike shorts that she added kotex pads to because 500 
>> miles is a lot of miles in one week)!!!
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 10:37:18 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> Seeing the tropical disease problem in Africa sounds credible.  When 
>>> I saw him, he'd been down Africa & up South America.  Plenty of time to 
>>> develop an idea.  He had a fairly polished presentation so he may have 
>>> been 
>>> drumming up interest in his project as he went.  
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:55:48 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 He meets up in the pub six years later, "Well boys, I was almost 
 eaten by an alligator and shot by rebels, but I did it."

 "We were kidding, mate." 

 On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:48:05 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin 
 wrote:

> He had to leave, his drunken mates said "I double dog dare you" or 
> some equivalent in London-ish.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:37:06 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>> Most people who have a harebrained idea in a pub with their 
>> buddies after 6 pints sober up the next day and decide it's a 
>> ridiculous 
>> idea! 🍻🍻🍻🤣
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 5:31:32 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle 
>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I think it’s fun to discuss. Carry on, people!
>>>
>>> I also got the impression Stephen (whose name I misspelled in 
>>> the original post, argh) just DID it. I haven’t purchased the book 
>>> yet, but 
>>> I listened to his story on the podcast and he seemed to have just 
>>> come to 
>>> the conclusion that cycling around the world was something he 
>>> should do. Of 
>>> course this was after his 6th pint. In a pub. With his buddies. 🤣
>>>
>>> Sent from m

[RBW] WTB: Fabios Chest Small

[Michael Ullmer]

After a wonderful weekend spent riding some gravel out in Wenatchee, I 
decided I need to switch up my cockpit setup on my gravel bike. It's 
currently sporting narrow (42cm) drop bars with a rando bag and on 
technical terrrain I really need something wider. I've got some Crust Towel 
Rack bars coming and I'm hoping to pair it with a small Fab's Chest. Anyone 
have one in their bin?

Thanks!

Mike in Seattle


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[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Tim Bantham]

Thanks Matt and John, 

Both bikes are examples of how they can be built with modern parts and 
still maintain the beautiful look of a lugged steel Rivendell. Do either of 
you own other RIVs? If so, how does the ride compare? 

Matt, your bike is my size. Can you tell me how long the head tube is? I 
could find that information in the Geo charts I looked at. 

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-4 John G. wrote:

> Here's mine! It's a 61cm. I'm open to selling it, complete or frameset. 
> I'd like to go up to a 63.
>
> [image: IMG_4693.JPG]
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-4 MCT wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Here you go, sized 63cm.  I changed the saddle, chainrings and the 
>> fenders are not on right now from this picture, but close enough to the 
>> current build.  
>>
>> Matt in OKC
>> .
>> [image: IMG_0257.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> There has been an ongoing thread about Mid 80's steel road bikes. Like 
>>> some of you out there I am in the market for a "regular ass road bike". 
>>> This whole year I've been riding my Sam Hillborne roadie style. Shoes and 
>>> clip in pedals, drop bars positioned below the saddle, no racks and just a 
>>> x-small Sackville. You know what? The Sam makes a fantastic road bike! It 
>>> rides like a dream, is plenty comfortable on 38mm tubeless tires and I find 
>>> it to be fast enough for my needs. It's a little heavy going up hill but 
>>> I'm willing to live with that. 
>>>
>>> Given my current preferences I think my next Riv just has to be a 
>>> Roadeo. I know it will be a long wait if I end up putting a deposit down 
>>> but at least I'll always have the Sam. 
>>>
>>> So who has a Roadeo? Show me your photos for inspiration!! 
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[John G.]

I've owned a Hunqapillar and an Atlantis. I currently own a Quickbeam and a 
Roadeo. I sold the Hunq to buy the Atlantis, then I traded the Atlantis for 
the Roadeo.

First thing I'll say: Rivendells are incredibly versatile, but you 
shouldn't try to turn a particular Riv into something it is not. For 
example, I foolishly tried to make the Hunq a mountain bike for technical 
Northeast trails. I then hoped the Atlantis would be a speedy but 
comfortable brevet bike. Both bikes are a sensational at what they are 
intended to do, but neither of them was intended for the purpose I set for 
them. 

I love my Roadeo and I plan on always having one in my stable. It gets the 
most miles out of all my bikes. It handles similarly to the Quickbeam: 
stable, agile when you need it, confidence-inspiring, as comfortable at 
mile 100 as mile 1.The Roadeo is a rocket compared to the Atlantis, which 
is no knock on the Atlantis.

I do miss the Atlantis. It was stout, but the handling was...stately. 
Majestic, even. The head badge is utterly appropriate. Riding the Atlantis 
felt like being at the helm of a clipper under full sail. If I had had a 
Roadeo first and then an Atlantis, I never would've sold the Atlantis. But 
I really wanted a Go Fast that fit wide tires and wouldn't beat the crap 
out of me, and the Roadeo is exactly that.

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 6:16:49 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Thanks Matt and John, 
>
> Both bikes are examples of how they can be built with modern parts and 
> still maintain the beautiful look of a lugged steel Rivendell. Do either of 
> you own other RIVs? If so, how does the ride compare? 
>
> Matt, your bike is my size. Can you tell me how long the head tube is? I 
> could find that information in the Geo charts I looked at. 
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-4 John G. wrote:
>
>> Here's mine! It's a 61cm. I'm open to selling it, complete or frameset. 
>> I'd like to go up to a 63.
>>
>> [image: IMG_4693.JPG]
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-4 MCT wrote:
>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> Here you go, sized 63cm.  I changed the saddle, chainrings and the 
>>> fenders are not on right now from this picture, but close enough to the 
>>> current build.  
>>>
>>> Matt in OKC
>>> .
>>> [image: IMG_0257.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 There has been an ongoing thread about Mid 80's steel road bikes. Like 
 some of you out there I am in the market for a "regular ass road bike". 
 This whole year I've been riding my Sam Hillborne roadie style. Shoes and 
 clip in pedals, drop bars positioned below the saddle, no racks and just a 
 x-small Sackville. You know what? The Sam makes a fantastic road bike! It 
 rides like a dream, is plenty comfortable on 38mm tubeless tires and I 
 find 
 it to be fast enough for my needs. It's a little heavy going up hill but 
 I'm willing to live with that. 

 Given my current preferences I think my next Riv just has to be a 
 Roadeo. I know it will be a long wait if I end up putting a deposit down 
 but at least I'll always have the Sam. 

 So who has a Roadeo? Show me your photos for inspiration!! 

 Tim














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[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Calvin Yolo]

I ended up placing a deposit for the Roadeo instead of waiting for a 
Roadini. 10 month wait. I plan to put Ultegra on it like what's shown above.

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:46:17 PM UTC-7 John G. wrote:

> I've owned a Hunqapillar and an Atlantis. I currently own a Quickbeam and 
> a Roadeo. I sold the Hunq to buy the Atlantis, then I traded the Atlantis 
> for the Roadeo.
>
> First thing I'll say: Rivendells are incredibly versatile, but you 
> shouldn't try to turn a particular Riv into something it is not. For 
> example, I foolishly tried to make the Hunq a mountain bike for technical 
> Northeast trails. I then hoped the Atlantis would be a speedy but 
> comfortable brevet bike. Both bikes are a sensational at what they are 
> intended to do, but neither of them was intended for the purpose I set for 
> them. 
>
> I love my Roadeo and I plan on always having one in my stable. It gets the 
> most miles out of all my bikes. It handles similarly to the Quickbeam: 
> stable, agile when you need it, confidence-inspiring, as comfortable at 
> mile 100 as mile 1.The Roadeo is a rocket compared to the Atlantis, which 
> is no knock on the Atlantis.
>
> I do miss the Atlantis. It was stout, but the handling was...stately. 
> Majestic, even. The head badge is utterly appropriate. Riding the Atlantis 
> felt like being at the helm of a clipper under full sail. If I had had a 
> Roadeo first and then an Atlantis, I never would've sold the Atlantis. But 
> I really wanted a Go Fast that fit wide tires and wouldn't beat the crap 
> out of me, and the Roadeo is exactly that.
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 6:16:49 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Thanks Matt and John, 
>>
>> Both bikes are examples of how they can be built with modern parts and 
>> still maintain the beautiful look of a lugged steel Rivendell. Do either of 
>> you own other RIVs? If so, how does the ride compare? 
>>
>> Matt, your bike is my size. Can you tell me how long the head tube is? I 
>> could find that information in the Geo charts I looked at. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-4 John G. wrote:
>>
>>> Here's mine! It's a 61cm. I'm open to selling it, complete or frameset. 
>>> I'd like to go up to a 63.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4693.JPG]
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-4 MCT wrote:
>>>
 Tim,

 Here you go, sized 63cm.  I changed the saddle, chainrings and the 
 fenders are not on right now from this picture, but close enough to the 
 current build.  

 Matt in OKC
 .
 [image: IMG_0257.jpg]




 On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> There has been an ongoing thread about Mid 80's steel road bikes. Like 
> some of you out there I am in the market for a "regular ass road bike". 
> This whole year I've been riding my Sam Hillborne roadie style. Shoes and 
> clip in pedals, drop bars positioned below the saddle, no racks and just 
> a 
> x-small Sackville. You know what? The Sam makes a fantastic road bike! It 
> rides like a dream, is plenty comfortable on 38mm tubeless tires and I 
> find 
> it to be fast enough for my needs. It's a little heavy going up hill but 
> I'm willing to live with that. 
>
> Given my current preferences I think my next Riv just has to be a 
> Roadeo. I know it will be a long wait if I end up putting a deposit down 
> but at least I'll always have the Sam. 
>
> So who has a Roadeo? Show me your photos for inspiration!! 
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Doug H.]

I think Riv offers the option of a threadless fork for the Rodeo. Which do 
you Rodeo owner's prefer?
Doug

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:29:54 PM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:

> [image: 78447BB8-3CDE-4D78-873B-5A4287F94FEF.jpeg]Here’s my 63cm with a 
> modern take on components.
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:09:05 PM UTC-4 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>
>> I ended up placing a deposit for the Roadeo instead of waiting for a 
>> Roadini. 10 month wait. I plan to put Ultegra on it like what's shown above.
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:46:17 PM UTC-7 John G. wrote:
>>
>>> I've owned a Hunqapillar and an Atlantis. I currently own a Quickbeam 
>>> and a Roadeo. I sold the Hunq to buy the Atlantis, then I traded the 
>>> Atlantis for the Roadeo.
>>>
>>> First thing I'll say: Rivendells are incredibly versatile, but you 
>>> shouldn't try to turn a particular Riv into something it is not. For 
>>> example, I foolishly tried to make the Hunq a mountain bike for technical 
>>> Northeast trails. I then hoped the Atlantis would be a speedy but 
>>> comfortable brevet bike. Both bikes are a sensational at what they are 
>>> intended to do, but neither of them was intended for the purpose I set for 
>>> them. 
>>>
>>> I love my Roadeo and I plan on always having one in my stable. It gets 
>>> the most miles out of all my bikes. It handles similarly to the Quickbeam: 
>>> stable, agile when you need it, confidence-inspiring, as comfortable at 
>>> mile 100 as mile 1.The Roadeo is a rocket compared to the Atlantis, which 
>>> is no knock on the Atlantis.
>>>
>>> I do miss the Atlantis. It was stout, but the handling was...stately. 
>>> Majestic, even. The head badge is utterly appropriate. Riding the Atlantis 
>>> felt like being at the helm of a clipper under full sail. If I had had a 
>>> Roadeo first and then an Atlantis, I never would've sold the Atlantis. But 
>>> I really wanted a Go Fast that fit wide tires and wouldn't beat the crap 
>>> out of me, and the Roadeo is exactly that.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 6:16:49 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Matt and John, 

 Both bikes are examples of how they can be built with modern parts and 
 still maintain the beautiful look of a lugged steel Rivendell. Do either 
 of 
 you own other RIVs? If so, how does the ride compare? 

 Matt, your bike is my size. Can you tell me how long the head tube is? 
 I could find that information in the Geo charts I looked at. 

 On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-4 John G. wrote:

> Here's mine! It's a 61cm. I'm open to selling it, complete or 
> frameset. I'd like to go up to a 63.
>
> [image: IMG_4693.JPG]
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-4 MCT wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Here you go, sized 63cm.  I changed the saddle, chainrings and the 
>> fenders are not on right now from this picture, but close enough to the 
>> current build.  
>>
>> Matt in OKC
>> .
>> [image: IMG_0257.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> There has been an ongoing thread about Mid 80's steel road bikes. 
>>> Like some of you out there I am in the market for a "regular ass road 
>>> bike". This whole year I've been riding my Sam Hillborne roadie style. 
>>> Shoes and clip in pedals, drop bars positioned below the saddle, no 
>>> racks 
>>> and just a x-small Sackville. You know what? The Sam makes a fantastic 
>>> road 
>>> bike! It rides like a dream, is plenty comfortable on 38mm tubeless 
>>> tires 
>>> and I find it to be fast enough for my needs. It's a little heavy going 
>>> up 
>>> hill but I'm willing to live with that. 
>>>
>>> Given my current preferences I think my next Riv just has to be a 
>>> Roadeo. I know it will be a long wait if I end up putting a deposit 
>>> down 
>>> but at least I'll always have the Sam. 
>>>
>>> So who has a Roadeo? Show me your photos for inspiration!! 
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Doug H.]

**Roadeo

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:44:08 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I think Riv offers the option of a threadless fork for the Rodeo. Which do 
> you Rodeo owner's prefer?
> Doug
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:29:54 PM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:
>
>> [image: 78447BB8-3CDE-4D78-873B-5A4287F94FEF.jpeg]Here’s my 63cm with a 
>> modern take on components.
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:09:05 PM UTC-4 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>>
>>> I ended up placing a deposit for the Roadeo instead of waiting for a 
>>> Roadini. 10 month wait. I plan to put Ultegra on it like what's shown above.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:46:17 PM UTC-7 John G. wrote:
>>>
 I've owned a Hunqapillar and an Atlantis. I currently own a Quickbeam 
 and a Roadeo. I sold the Hunq to buy the Atlantis, then I traded the 
 Atlantis for the Roadeo.

 First thing I'll say: Rivendells are incredibly versatile, but you 
 shouldn't try to turn a particular Riv into something it is not. For 
 example, I foolishly tried to make the Hunq a mountain bike for technical 
 Northeast trails. I then hoped the Atlantis would be a speedy but 
 comfortable brevet bike. Both bikes are a sensational at what they are 
 intended to do, but neither of them was intended for the purpose I set for 
 them. 

 I love my Roadeo and I plan on always having one in my stable. It gets 
 the most miles out of all my bikes. It handles similarly to the Quickbeam: 
 stable, agile when you need it, confidence-inspiring, as comfortable at 
 mile 100 as mile 1.The Roadeo is a rocket compared to the Atlantis, which 
 is no knock on the Atlantis.

 I do miss the Atlantis. It was stout, but the handling was...stately. 
 Majestic, even. The head badge is utterly appropriate. Riding the Atlantis 
 felt like being at the helm of a clipper under full sail. If I had had a 
 Roadeo first and then an Atlantis, I never would've sold the Atlantis. But 
 I really wanted a Go Fast that fit wide tires and wouldn't beat the crap 
 out of me, and the Roadeo is exactly that.

 On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 6:16:49 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Thanks Matt and John, 
>
> Both bikes are examples of how they can be built with modern parts and 
> still maintain the beautiful look of a lugged steel Rivendell. Do either 
> of 
> you own other RIVs? If so, how does the ride compare? 
>
> Matt, your bike is my size. Can you tell me how long the head tube is? 
> I could find that information in the Geo charts I looked at. 
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:10:05 PM UTC-4 John G. wrote:
>
>> Here's mine! It's a 61cm. I'm open to selling it, complete or 
>> frameset. I'd like to go up to a 63.
>>
>> [image: IMG_4693.JPG]
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-4 MCT wrote:
>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> Here you go, sized 63cm.  I changed the saddle, chainrings and the 
>>> fenders are not on right now from this picture, but close enough to the 
>>> current build.  
>>>
>>> Matt in OKC
>>> .
>>> [image: IMG_0257.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 There has been an ongoing thread about Mid 80's steel road bikes. 
 Like some of you out there I am in the market for a "regular ass road 
 bike". This whole year I've been riding my Sam Hillborne roadie style. 
 Shoes and clip in pedals, drop bars positioned below the saddle, no 
 racks 
 and just a x-small Sackville. You know what? The Sam makes a fantastic 
 road 
 bike! It rides like a dream, is plenty comfortable on 38mm tubeless 
 tires 
 and I find it to be fast enough for my needs. It's a little heavy 
 going up 
 hill but I'm willing to live with that. 

 Given my current preferences I think my next Riv just has to be a 
 Roadeo. I know it will be a long wait if I end up putting a deposit 
 down 
 but at least I'll always have the Sam. 

 So who has a Roadeo? Show me your photos for inspiration!! 

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[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Tim Bantham]

John, You've got two great bikes with the QB and Roadeo. Both are high on 
my list to own. I mostly agree with your comments about taking the 
versatility of a Rivendell to far. I have an Appaloosa and a Sam. I had a 
Clem H and quickly sold it. The Clem was one I regretted and wished I 
hadn't gone down that path. With the Clem I tried to make it something it 
was not (at least to my standards) and that was an analog mountain bike. At 
the time I was caught up in the Rivendell Hillie Bike marketing only to be 
disappointed later. I found the ride to be heavy, dull and just 
uninspiring. I also did not get along with the very long chainstays. So in 
that sense my experience mirrors yours. 

Like the Atlantis, the Appaloosa is great at what it is meant for. Touring, 
bike packing, grocery getting both on and off road. I currently have it set 
up with 2.25 Schwalbe T-Burts tubeless. A very Un-Riv Jones Loop bars along 
with a White Industries Double. The bike is super stable loaded or unloaded 
on any surface. I love it for what it is and mostly ride it for those 
purposes. 

I have found the Sam to be the most versatile of them all. I've had that 
bike built up so many different ways, Before I had the Appaloosa I would 
ride it loaded with camping gear, It had Billie Bars, Albatross bars, 
Albastache bars and Noodle bars. I also had several different Nitto racks 
on it front and rear. All versions were great but I have finally settled on 
a drop bar set up. I ditched the Noodles for a 31.8 clamp so I could use 
Salsa Cowchippers. I have a Nitto Quill adaptor so I can use a normal clamp 
on stem. I mostly did that to make it easier to try different stem lengths 
without spending a fortune. I settled on a 110mm stem. This bike outshines 
my other Riv's in overall versatility. 

I think the Sam makes a great road bike. Similar to the very popular "all 
road" versions from the bigger brands. The Sam is better because it's 
lugged steel and has far more tire clearance. That said, I wish it was 
lighter and had more snap. I think the Roadeo would provide that. 

@Calvin, good for you on taking the plunge. You must be excited!! Although 
the Roadeo is technically not custom Mark Nobilette is a custom builder and 
talking to a local one man ship he told me most everyone is one year out. 
At least you are not having to wait until 2023 like some of the bigger 
brands out there! 

@Austin, Beautiful bike! I love the red and white color. Looks like Bon Jon 
Pass tires so I know it's good for 35's. I'm happy to see that because this 
is the minimum size RH tire that will set up tubeless. 

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:29:54 PM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:

> [image: 78447BB8-3CDE-4D78-873B-5A4287F94FEF.jpeg]Here’s my 63cm with a 
> modern take on components.
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:09:05 PM UTC-4 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>
>> I ended up placing a deposit for the Roadeo instead of waiting for a 
>> Roadini. 10 month wait. I plan to put Ultegra on it like what's shown above.
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:46:17 PM UTC-7 John G. wrote:
>>
>>> I've owned a Hunqapillar and an Atlantis. I currently own a Quickbeam 
>>> and a Roadeo. I sold the Hunq to buy the Atlantis, then I traded the 
>>> Atlantis for the Roadeo.
>>>
>>> First thing I'll say: Rivendells are incredibly versatile, but you 
>>> shouldn't try to turn a particular Riv into something it is not. For 
>>> example, I foolishly tried to make the Hunq a mountain bike for technical 
>>> Northeast trails. I then hoped the Atlantis would be a speedy but 
>>> comfortable brevet bike. Both bikes are a sensational at what they are 
>>> intended to do, but neither of them was intended for the purpose I set for 
>>> them. 
>>>
>>> I love my Roadeo and I plan on always having one in my stable. It gets 
>>> the most miles out of all my bikes. It handles similarly to the Quickbeam: 
>>> stable, agile when you need it, confidence-inspiring, as comfortable at 
>>> mile 100 as mile 1.The Roadeo is a rocket compared to the Atlantis, which 
>>> is no knock on the Atlantis.
>>>
>>> I do miss the Atlantis. It was stout, but the handling was...stately. 
>>> Majestic, even. The head badge is utterly appropriate. Riding the Atlantis 
>>> felt like being at the helm of a clipper under full sail. If I had had a 
>>> Roadeo first and then an Atlantis, I never would've sold the Atlantis. But 
>>> I really wanted a Go Fast that fit wide tires and wouldn't beat the crap 
>>> out of me, and the Roadeo is exactly that.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 6:16:49 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Matt and John, 

 Both bikes are examples of how they can be built with modern parts and 
 still maintain the beautiful look of a lugged steel Rivendell. Do either 
 of 
 you own other RIVs? If so, how does the ride compare? 

 Matt, your bike is my size. Can you tell me how long the head tube is? 
 I could find that information in the Geo

[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Tim Bantham]

@Doug H I have the same question about the fork. How did you decide between 
the two? My saddle height is 84.5 cm with a PBH of 93. My bars are 1.5 cm's 
below the saddle. On my Sam the 6 degree top tube slope creates a bit more 
stack height. In comparison the Roadeo has a 2 degree slope. This is why I 
am wondering what the HT size is on the size 63 that Matt has. I am trying 
to decide if I could get my bars high enough with a threadless form without 
having to add to many spacers. 

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:59:07 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> John, You've got two great bikes with the QB and Roadeo. Both are high on 
> my list to own. I mostly agree with your comments about taking the 
> versatility of a Rivendell to far. I have an Appaloosa and a Sam. I had a 
> Clem H and quickly sold it. The Clem was one I regretted and wished I 
> hadn't gone down that path. With the Clem I tried to make it something it 
> was not (at least to my standards) and that was an analog mountain bike. At 
> the time I was caught up in the Rivendell Hillie Bike marketing only to be 
> disappointed later. I found the ride to be heavy, dull and just 
> uninspiring. I also did not get along with the very long chainstays. So in 
> that sense my experience mirrors yours. 
>
> Like the Atlantis, the Appaloosa is great at what it is meant for. 
> Touring, bike packing, grocery getting both on and off road. I currently 
> have it set up with 2.25 Schwalbe T-Burts tubeless. A very Un-Riv Jones 
> Loop bars along with a White Industries Double. The bike is super stable 
> loaded or unloaded on any surface. I love it for what it is and mostly ride 
> it for those purposes. 
>
> I have found the Sam to be the most versatile of them all. I've had that 
> bike built up so many different ways, Before I had the Appaloosa I would 
> ride it loaded with camping gear, It had Billie Bars, Albatross bars, 
> Albastache bars and Noodle bars. I also had several different Nitto racks 
> on it front and rear. All versions were great but I have finally settled on 
> a drop bar set up. I ditched the Noodles for a 31.8 clamp so I could use 
> Salsa Cowchippers. I have a Nitto Quill adaptor so I can use a normal clamp 
> on stem. I mostly did that to make it easier to try different stem lengths 
> without spending a fortune. I settled on a 110mm stem. This bike outshines 
> my other Riv's in overall versatility. 
>
> I think the Sam makes a great road bike. Similar to the very popular "all 
> road" versions from the bigger brands. The Sam is better because it's 
> lugged steel and has far more tire clearance. That said, I wish it was 
> lighter and had more snap. I think the Roadeo would provide that. 
>
> @Calvin, good for you on taking the plunge. You must be excited!! Although 
> the Roadeo is technically not custom Mark Nobilette is a custom builder and 
> talking to a local one man ship he told me most everyone is one year out. 
> At least you are not having to wait until 2023 like some of the bigger 
> brands out there! 
>
> @Austin, Beautiful bike! I love the red and white color. Looks like Bon 
> Jon Pass tires so I know it's good for 35's. I'm happy to see that because 
> this is the minimum size RH tire that will set up tubeless. 
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:29:54 PM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:
>
>> [image: 78447BB8-3CDE-4D78-873B-5A4287F94FEF.jpeg]Here’s my 63cm with a 
>> modern take on components.
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:09:05 PM UTC-4 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>>
>>> I ended up placing a deposit for the Roadeo instead of waiting for a 
>>> Roadini. 10 month wait. I plan to put Ultegra on it like what's shown above.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:46:17 PM UTC-7 John G. wrote:
>>>
 I've owned a Hunqapillar and an Atlantis. I currently own a Quickbeam 
 and a Roadeo. I sold the Hunq to buy the Atlantis, then I traded the 
 Atlantis for the Roadeo.

 First thing I'll say: Rivendells are incredibly versatile, but you 
 shouldn't try to turn a particular Riv into something it is not. For 
 example, I foolishly tried to make the Hunq a mountain bike for technical 
 Northeast trails. I then hoped the Atlantis would be a speedy but 
 comfortable brevet bike. Both bikes are a sensational at what they are 
 intended to do, but neither of them was intended for the purpose I set for 
 them. 

 I love my Roadeo and I plan on always having one in my stable. It gets 
 the most miles out of all my bikes. It handles similarly to the Quickbeam: 
 stable, agile when you need it, confidence-inspiring, as comfortable at 
 mile 100 as mile 1.The Roadeo is a rocket compared to the Atlantis, which 
 is no knock on the Atlantis.

 I do miss the Atlantis. It was stout, but the handling was...stately. 
 Majestic, even. The head badge is utterly appropriate. Riding the Atlantis 
 felt like being at the helm of a clipper under full sail. If I had 

[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Bill Lindsay]

My Roadeo is pretty close to what mainstream roadies would call a 
retro-leaning regular ass road bike: a nice 18.5 pound road bike with 32s.  
It's a 2x10 with barcon shifters. At its most stripped down my Hillborne 
may have been a 23 pound bike, and today it's probably more like 26 
pounds.  I'm happy that both bikes are in my stable.  The Hillborne is a 
decent stand in for everything the Roadeo can do.  The Roadeo can only 
stand-in for a subset of what the Hillborne can do.  My Roadeo is pictured 
in the following flickr album

Every bike needs a Campy part | Flickr 


My Roadeo has a threadless steerer, and that is what I prefer for a 
stripped down bike, because it's quite a bit lighter.  I usually end up 
buying custom stems, because there are few choices in true 1" threadless.  
My Roadeo pictured has a custom Nobilette stem on it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 4:59:07 PM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> John, You've got two great bikes with the QB and Roadeo. Both are high on 
> my list to own. I mostly agree with your comments about taking the 
> versatility of a Rivendell to far. I have an Appaloosa and a Sam. I had a 
> Clem H and quickly sold it. The Clem was one I regretted and wished I 
> hadn't gone down that path. With the Clem I tried to make it something it 
> was not (at least to my standards) and that was an analog mountain bike. At 
> the time I was caught up in the Rivendell Hillie Bike marketing only to be 
> disappointed later. I found the ride to be heavy, dull and just 
> uninspiring. I also did not get along with the very long chainstays. So in 
> that sense my experience mirrors yours. 
>
> Like the Atlantis, the Appaloosa is great at what it is meant for. 
> Touring, bike packing, grocery getting both on and off road. I currently 
> have it set up with 2.25 Schwalbe T-Burts tubeless. A very Un-Riv Jones 
> Loop bars along with a White Industries Double. The bike is super stable 
> loaded or unloaded on any surface. I love it for what it is and mostly ride 
> it for those purposes. 
>
> I have found the Sam to be the most versatile of them all. I've had that 
> bike built up so many different ways, Before I had the Appaloosa I would 
> ride it loaded with camping gear, It had Billie Bars, Albatross bars, 
> Albastache bars and Noodle bars. I also had several different Nitto racks 
> on it front and rear. All versions were great but I have finally settled on 
> a drop bar set up. I ditched the Noodles for a 31.8 clamp so I could use 
> Salsa Cowchippers. I have a Nitto Quill adaptor so I can use a normal clamp 
> on stem. I mostly did that to make it easier to try different stem lengths 
> without spending a fortune. I settled on a 110mm stem. This bike outshines 
> my other Riv's in overall versatility. 
>
> I think the Sam makes a great road bike. Similar to the very popular "all 
> road" versions from the bigger brands. The Sam is better because it's 
> lugged steel and has far more tire clearance. That said, I wish it was 
> lighter and had more snap. I think the Roadeo would provide that. 
>
> @Calvin, good for you on taking the plunge. You must be excited!! Although 
> the Roadeo is technically not custom Mark Nobilette is a custom builder and 
> talking to a local one man ship he told me most everyone is one year out. 
> At least you are not having to wait until 2023 like some of the bigger 
> brands out there! 
>
> @Austin, Beautiful bike! I love the red and white color. Looks like Bon 
> Jon Pass tires so I know it's good for 35's. I'm happy to see that because 
> this is the minimum size RH tire that will set up tubeless. 
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:29:54 PM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:
>
>> [image: 78447BB8-3CDE-4D78-873B-5A4287F94FEF.jpeg]Here’s my 63cm with a 
>> modern take on components.
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:09:05 PM UTC-4 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>>
>>> I ended up placing a deposit for the Roadeo instead of waiting for a 
>>> Roadini. 10 month wait. I plan to put Ultegra on it like what's shown above.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:46:17 PM UTC-7 John G. wrote:
>>>
 I've owned a Hunqapillar and an Atlantis. I currently own a Quickbeam 
 and a Roadeo. I sold the Hunq to buy the Atlantis, then I traded the 
 Atlantis for the Roadeo.

 First thing I'll say: Rivendells are incredibly versatile, but you 
 shouldn't try to turn a particular Riv into something it is not. For 
 example, I foolishly tried to make the Hunq a mountain bike for technical 
 Northeast trails. I then hoped the Atlantis would be a speedy but 
 comfortable brevet bike. Both bikes are a sensational at what they are 
 intended to do, but neither of them was intended for the purpose I set for 
 them. 

 I love my Roadeo and I plan on always having one in my stable. It gets 
 the most miles out of all my bikes. It

[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Mike Godwin]

To John G,
if it were a 62 cm Roadeo (I know, they don't come off the peg in that 
size) I would still have the Roadeo and John may still have the Atlantis. 

Mike "Rivendell-ess" in SLO CA

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:13:09 PM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> @Doug H I have the same question about the fork. How did you decide 
> between the two? My saddle height is 84.5 cm with a PBH of 93. My bars are 
> 1.5 cm's below the saddle. On my Sam the 6 degree top tube slope creates a 
> bit more stack height. In comparison the Roadeo has a 2 degree slope. This 
> is why I am wondering what the HT size is on the size 63 that Matt has. I 
> am trying to decide if I could get my bars high enough with a threadless 
> form without having to add to many spacers. 
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:59:07 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> John, You've got two great bikes with the QB and Roadeo. Both are high on 
>> my list to own. I mostly agree with your comments about taking the 
>> versatility of a Rivendell to far. I have an Appaloosa and a Sam. I had a 
>> Clem H and quickly sold it. The Clem was one I regretted and wished I 
>> hadn't gone down that path. With the Clem I tried to make it something it 
>> was not (at least to my standards) and that was an analog mountain bike. At 
>> the time I was caught up in the Rivendell Hillie Bike marketing only to be 
>> disappointed later. I found the ride to be heavy, dull and just 
>> uninspiring. I also did not get along with the very long chainstays. So in 
>> that sense my experience mirrors yours. 
>>
>> Like the Atlantis, the Appaloosa is great at what it is meant for. 
>> Touring, bike packing, grocery getting both on and off road. I currently 
>> have it set up with 2.25 Schwalbe T-Burts tubeless. A very Un-Riv Jones 
>> Loop bars along with a White Industries Double. The bike is super stable 
>> loaded or unloaded on any surface. I love it for what it is and mostly ride 
>> it for those purposes. 
>>
>> I have found the Sam to be the most versatile of them all. I've had that 
>> bike built up so many different ways, Before I had the Appaloosa I would 
>> ride it loaded with camping gear, It had Billie Bars, Albatross bars, 
>> Albastache bars and Noodle bars. I also had several different Nitto racks 
>> on it front and rear. All versions were great but I have finally settled on 
>> a drop bar set up. I ditched the Noodles for a 31.8 clamp so I could use 
>> Salsa Cowchippers. I have a Nitto Quill adaptor so I can use a normal clamp 
>> on stem. I mostly did that to make it easier to try different stem lengths 
>> without spending a fortune. I settled on a 110mm stem. This bike outshines 
>> my other Riv's in overall versatility. 
>>
>> I think the Sam makes a great road bike. Similar to the very popular "all 
>> road" versions from the bigger brands. The Sam is better because it's 
>> lugged steel and has far more tire clearance. That said, I wish it was 
>> lighter and had more snap. I think the Roadeo would provide that. 
>>
>> @Calvin, good for you on taking the plunge. You must be excited!! 
>> Although the Roadeo is technically not custom Mark Nobilette is a custom 
>> builder and talking to a local one man ship he told me most everyone is one 
>> year out. At least you are not having to wait until 2023 like some of the 
>> bigger brands out there! 
>>
>> @Austin, Beautiful bike! I love the red and white color. Looks like Bon 
>> Jon Pass tires so I know it's good for 35's. I'm happy to see that because 
>> this is the minimum size RH tire that will set up tubeless. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:29:54 PM UTC-4 Austin B. wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 78447BB8-3CDE-4D78-873B-5A4287F94FEF.jpeg]Here’s my 63cm with a 
>>> modern take on components.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:09:05 PM UTC-4 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>>>
 I ended up placing a deposit for the Roadeo instead of waiting for a 
 Roadini. 10 month wait. I plan to put Ultegra on it like what's shown 
 above.

 On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 3:46:17 PM UTC-7 John G. wrote:

> I've owned a Hunqapillar and an Atlantis. I currently own a Quickbeam 
> and a Roadeo. I sold the Hunq to buy the Atlantis, then I traded the 
> Atlantis for the Roadeo.
>
> First thing I'll say: Rivendells are incredibly versatile, but you 
> shouldn't try to turn a particular Riv into something it is not. For 
> example, I foolishly tried to make the Hunq a mountain bike for technical 
> Northeast trails. I then hoped the Atlantis would be a speedy but 
> comfortable brevet bike. Both bikes are a sensational at what they are 
> intended to do, but neither of them was intended for the purpose I set 
> for 
> them. 
>
> I love my Roadeo and I plan on always having one in my stable. It gets 
> the most miles out of all my bikes. It handles similarly to the 
> Quickbeam: 
> stable, agile when you need it, confidence-inspirin

[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Austin B.]

My Roadeo is of a similar setup as Bill's--threadless setup, modern 
components, 35mm RH Bon Jon tires. For me it's exactly what I want--fast, 
comfortable, and I don't wince at rough chip seal roads. I did try mounting 
the Barlows on the Roadeo but it was a no-go. Before my Roadeo, I picked up 
a Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross-- after speaking with Mike V a couple 
times I took the plunge on it as my primary road bike and it saw a lot of 
road miles until the Roadeo came into the picture.

Tim commented that he wished the Sam was lighter and had more snap. He's 
right in that the Roadeo definitely has more snap, but functionally is 
different. I also had a 2TT 62cm Sam until last year--like Tim, I was 
always reconfiguring it--I liked it most in full gravel mode with 43mm 
gravel tires, Albastache bars while the BMC stayed my road bike. But I took 
the BMC offroad and realized that the it was the functional equivalent of 
the Sam, AND took larger tires and had canti brakes! And for me, it was a 
little lighter, more spritely, and just more fun so I sold the Sam.

The BMC makes a fine road bike and still sees a share of my road miles, but 
the Roadeo simply does roads better.
 
Austin
  

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:22:02 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> To John G,
> if it were a 62 cm Roadeo (I know, they don't come off the peg in that 
> size) I would still have the Roadeo and John may still have the Atlantis. 
>
> Mike "Rivendell-ess" in SLO CA
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:13:09 PM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> @Doug H I have the same question about the fork. How did you decide 
>> between the two? My saddle height is 84.5 cm with a PBH of 93. My bars are 
>> 1.5 cm's below the saddle. On my Sam the 6 degree top tube slope creates a 
>> bit more stack height. In comparison the Roadeo has a 2 degree slope. This 
>> is why I am wondering what the HT size is on the size 63 that Matt has. I 
>> am trying to decide if I could get my bars high enough with a threadless 
>> form without having to add to many spacers. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:59:07 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> John, You've got two great bikes with the QB and Roadeo. Both are high 
>>> on my list to own. I mostly agree with your comments about taking the 
>>> versatility of a Rivendell to far. I have an Appaloosa and a Sam. I had a 
>>> Clem H and quickly sold it. The Clem was one I regretted and wished I 
>>> hadn't gone down that path. With the Clem I tried to make it something it 
>>> was not (at least to my standards) and that was an analog mountain bike. At 
>>> the time I was caught up in the Rivendell Hillie Bike marketing only to be 
>>> disappointed later. I found the ride to be heavy, dull and just 
>>> uninspiring. I also did not get along with the very long chainstays. So in 
>>> that sense my experience mirrors yours. 
>>>
>>> Like the Atlantis, the Appaloosa is great at what it is meant for. 
>>> Touring, bike packing, grocery getting both on and off road. I currently 
>>> have it set up with 2.25 Schwalbe T-Burts tubeless. A very Un-Riv Jones 
>>> Loop bars along with a White Industries Double. The bike is super stable 
>>> loaded or unloaded on any surface. I love it for what it is and mostly ride 
>>> it for those purposes. 
>>>
>>> I have found the Sam to be the most versatile of them all. I've had that 
>>> bike built up so many different ways, Before I had the Appaloosa I would 
>>> ride it loaded with camping gear, It had Billie Bars, Albatross bars, 
>>> Albastache bars and Noodle bars. I also had several different Nitto racks 
>>> on it front and rear. All versions were great but I have finally settled on 
>>> a drop bar set up. I ditched the Noodles for a 31.8 clamp so I could use 
>>> Salsa Cowchippers. I have a Nitto Quill adaptor so I can use a normal clamp 
>>> on stem. I mostly did that to make it easier to try different stem lengths 
>>> without spending a fortune. I settled on a 110mm stem. This bike outshines 
>>> my other Riv's in overall versatility. 
>>>
>>> I think the Sam makes a great road bike. Similar to the very popular 
>>> "all road" versions from the bigger brands. The Sam is better because it's 
>>> lugged steel and has far more tire clearance. That said, I wish it was 
>>> lighter and had more snap. I think the Roadeo would provide that. 
>>>
>>> @Calvin, good for you on taking the plunge. You must be excited!! 
>>> Although the Roadeo is technically not custom Mark Nobilette is a custom 
>>> builder and talking to a local one man ship he told me most everyone is one 
>>> year out. At least you are not having to wait until 2023 like some of the 
>>> bigger brands out there! 
>>>
>>> @Austin, Beautiful bike! I love the red and white color. Looks like Bon 
>>> Jon Pass tires so I know it's good for 35's. I'm happy to see that because 
>>> this is the minimum size RH tire that will set up tubeless. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:29:54 PM UTC-4 Austi

[RBW] Re: Show Me Your Roadeo!

[Calvin Yolo]

@Tim, sure am excited! Don't want to think about the wait being even 
longer, but it is what it is. 

To current owners: What tubing does a Nobilette-built Roadeo use? I was 
thinking 853? 
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 6:50:14 PM UTC-7 peterso...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Just before my 1000k ride in June 2021:
>
> [image: IMG_5468.jpg]
>
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> There has been an ongoing thread about Mid 80's steel road bikes. Like 
>> some of you out there I am in the market for a "regular ass road bike". 
>> This whole year I've been riding my Sam Hillborne roadie style. Shoes and 
>> clip in pedals, drop bars positioned below the saddle, no racks and just a 
>> x-small Sackville. You know what? The Sam makes a fantastic road bike! It 
>> rides like a dream, is plenty comfortable on 38mm tubeless tires and I find 
>> it to be fast enough for my needs. It's a little heavy going up hill but 
>> I'm willing to live with that. 
>>
>> Given my current preferences I think my next Riv just has to be a Roadeo. 
>> I know it will be a long wait if I end up putting a deposit down but at 
>> least I'll always have the Sam. 
>>
>> So who has a Roadeo? Show me your photos for inspiration!! 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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