Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Roberta]

Thanks for the write up and pictures. It looks lovely and I’m so happy you 
had such a grand time. I see your third water bottle surprise behind the 
seat tube with a Voile strap. 

I took my Platy on a packed dirt MUP ride this weekend and also was 
delighted with the ride. Like you, I pushed my saddle, a B68, way back.  

Roberta
On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 11:30:59 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Olympic Discovery Trail (ODT) on Platy!   I suppose this entry could have 
> been posted in the "ride pic sharing" category, but since it's all about my 
> Platypus ride, here you go.  I took the plunge and put my pretty, clean, 
> shiny Platypus onto the rear rack of my van where it could encounter rain 
> and road dust (horrors).  It was a tough choice between taking it or the 
> Clem because of the dirt factor, but I'm so glad I had the Platy because 
> she was perfectly suited for the ride.  It's "just" a bike after all and 
> should be ridden and transported out in the elements!  Yes, it got a little 
> dirty and yes, I'm handling it just fine, thank you, no medication 
> necessary.
>
> The ODT is a mostly-paved rail-to-trail on the Olympic Peninsula that will 
> eventually stretch from Port Townsend, WA to the Pacific Ocean.  I've 
> ridden various portions of it, but the goal on this trip was to ride the 
> new part on the west end of Lake Crescent called the Spruce Railroad trail; 
> it only recently opened.  I also rode the waterfront portion from the 
> Morris Creek Trestle to the west end of Port Angeles which goes along the 
> Strait of Juan de Fuca.  What a surprise to ride by a company called 
> Platypus Marine! [image: IMG_0148.jpg]
>
> The rides were nothing epic, just 12-13 miles on beautiful fall days with 
> stunning scenery and mid-60s sunshine, but the Platypus felt just 
> right...comfortable and secure, fast enough, and easy to handle even on the 
> gravely parts.  Because of its weight, it's really easy to get onto the 
> rack.  With a strong headlight, the long, dark tunnel was easy to 
> navigate.  I'm very happy with the performance and cushioning of the 
> Shikoro tires.  The only thing missing from this bike is a rear rack since 
> I'll need a single pannier or a trunk bag for my gear when the weather gets 
> colder.  For now, the banana bag works.  I'm waiting for a new saddle as 
> well.  The new-style Selle Anatomica looked great, but the cast-aluminum 
> rails were too short to get the seat back far enough.  Oops.  I ordered 
> another SA in brown with the long steel rails and threw a spare black one 
> on for this trip.  Overall, I'm really happy to have this bike!
>
> I highly recommend the ODT for the beauty of the area and being able to 
> ride without encountering vehicle traffic.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn handlebar bag (older version)

[John Rinker]

Bump.

On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 4:44:56 AM UTC+9 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have an extra, as I will be replacing it with a small Fabios chest.  Let 
> me know if you are still interested.  It is beige/tan
> Alex
>
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 9:42:36 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Greetings Pedalers,
>>
>> I'm looking for an discontinued version of the Acorn handlebar bag. 
>> Should you have one trapped in a box, bin, or closet and in need of further 
>> adventures, let me know.
>> [image: Acorn Bag.png]
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[luckyturnip]

Oh wow, I *really* want to ride this. Great write up. 

> On Sep 26, 2021, at 20:34, JAS  wrote:
> 
> A couple more photos of the ODT ride...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 8:30:59 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>> Olympic Discovery Trail (ODT) on Platy!   I suppose this entry could have 
>> been posted in the "ride pic sharing" category, but since it's all about my 
>> Platypus ride, here you go.  I took the plunge and put my pretty, clean, 
>> shiny Platypus onto the rear rack of my van where it could encounter rain 
>> and road dust (horrors).  It was a tough choice between taking it or the 
>> Clem because of the dirt factor, but I'm so glad I had the Platy because she 
>> was perfectly suited for the ride.  It's "just" a bike after all and should 
>> be ridden and transported out in the elements!  Yes, it got a little dirty 
>> and yes, I'm handling it just fine, thank you, no medication necessary.
>> 
>> The ODT is a mostly-paved rail-to-trail on the Olympic Peninsula that will 
>> eventually stretch from Port Townsend, WA to the Pacific Ocean.  I've ridden 
>> various portions of it, but the goal on this trip was to ride the new part 
>> on the west end of Lake Crescent called the Spruce Railroad trail; it only 
>> recently opened.  I also rode the waterfront portion from the Morris Creek 
>> Trestle to the west end of Port Angeles which goes along the Strait of Juan 
>> de Fuca.  What a surprise to ride by a company called Platypus Marine! 
>> 
>> The rides were nothing epic, just 12-13 miles on beautiful fall days with 
>> stunning scenery and mid-60s sunshine, but the Platypus felt just 
>> right...comfortable and secure, fast enough, and easy to handle even on the 
>> gravely parts.  Because of its weight, it's really easy to get onto the 
>> rack.  With a strong headlight, the long, dark tunnel was easy to navigate.  
>> I'm very happy with the performance and cushioning of the Shikoro tires.  
>> The only thing missing from this bike is a rear rack since I'll need a 
>> single pannier or a trunk bag for my gear when the weather gets colder.  For 
>> now, the banana bag works.  I'm waiting for a new saddle as well.  The 
>> new-style Selle Anatomica looked great, but the cast-aluminum rails were too 
>> short to get the seat back far enough.  Oops.  I ordered another SA in brown 
>> with the long steel rails and threw a spare black one on for this trip.  
>> Overall, I'm really happy to have this bike!
>> 
>> I highly recommend the ODT for the beauty of the area and being able to ride 
>> without encountering vehicle traffic.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Jared Wilson]

I just love how that Clem turned out with the Xtracycle kit, what a cool 
way to make use of that frameset.

Platypus is looking good too!

On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 4:27:07 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> Today was the nicest day of the year in the great garden state.
>
> [image: bikes1.jpg]
> Bones
> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 12:03:41 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> Indeed, Beatifully set up bike, Paul. Always enjoy your builds and 
>> photography. 
>>
>> - Max “how was your ride?.. more than bokeh” in A2
>>
>> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 11:32:13 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Paul,
>>>
>>> Gorgeous bike and photos to boot. Thank you for the component details as 
>>> well. 
>>>
>>> Your description of the CX-70 front derailer touching the chainstay is 
>>> particularly timely. I'm doing a build now where the derailer/chainstay 
>>> kiss each other - or within a whisker or two of that so I've wondered, how 
>>> close is too close? Like you, I have the option of a perfectly functional 
>>> but less attractive shorter cage der but would prefer using the vintage 
>>> (silver of course) longer cage model. From the pictures it would appear the 
>>> CX-70-chainstay marriage is working out well so I have hopes for my combo.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich n ATL
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 10:00:58 AM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>
 Forgot to mention the cassette spec is 10spd 11-30t, so 11/40 high and 
 30/24 low. High enough for me, plenty low for a mostly unloaded sled.

 22.3lbs as is, with several spec subs that would get it into the 21lb+ 
 range. Could go more modern and down in the 20s, but I like the older 
 school look.

 And yeah, better to say "...clearance for 30mm tires..." since 32s are 
 getting dicey.

 I had issues posting the photos, gotta click to view 'em, will see if 
 cutting the [img] tags fixes that...

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 6:06:25 PM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Old School time, a day late for Throwback Thursday, if that's still a 
> thing.
>
> '98 Riv Custom, built by Joe Starck, back in the day when 
> designing/building a short-reach caliper frame with rock-bottom brake 
> shoes 
> ("Look out, Courageous, it's Rock Bottom!!!") and clearance for 32mm 700c 
> tires was a big f'in deal...
>
 [snip] 

>
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51218631413_cc5a80d181_k.jpg 
> 
>
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51217707602_31d1bfcc06_k.jpg 
> 
>
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50365316941_c7a4475dda_k.jpg 
> 
>
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50440286627_b8fb4c3792_k.jpg 
> 
>
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50440286327_bd34374447_k.jpg 
> 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica Titanico and Thomson Elite 26.8/330

[Jared Wilson]

Thomson sold, thanks for the interest :)

Jared

On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 12:23:21 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Bump, $65 shipped on the Thomson post.
>
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 1:13:42 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> Saddle sold to locally, thanks Miles :)
>>
>> Seatpost still available, updated price of $70 shipped.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 8:14:58 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy
>>>
>>> Catch and release on the Titanico from a group member recently, I love 
>>> how they feel and especially how they look, but I just can't shake the Pure 
>>> V. 
>>>
>>> $75 shipped.
>>>
>>> Thomson Elite 26.8/330 came with a bike and no longer has a use around 
>>> here so hoping someone else can make use of it.
>>>
>>> $75 shipped. 
>>>
>>> Get 'em both for $140/shipped.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4150.JPG]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

[Jason Fuller]

Cheers Joe, I appreciate your perspective there (And I can feel Ryan's eyes
right now, wondering if I'm going to sell). Yeah the recent touring on the
Hillborne was a bit of an eye opener, since that's about as much weight as
I'll ever carry and the Hillborne did so flawlessly. We'll see how reckless
I feel on the Homer drop date :D

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Jason,
>
> I owned that Bombadil and would say that stocky double-tube frame is way
> overbuilt for someone 160 lbs. unless you're running full touring loads all
> the time (your Instagram tells me you're not). I think the Hillborne/Homer
> combo is a better idea than popping for paint.
>
> Joe "in this reporter's opinion" Bernard
>
> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 9:50:32 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> This has been an interesting discussion to read for me too!  I'm in a
>> similar-but-different place, spurred by the cost to paint the Bombadil
>> (which, I'm willing to pay, but it does force you to think long-term),
>> where I'm considering making my Hillborne into the "heavy" bike and getting
>> a Homer from the upcoming batch to be the "light" bike.  I know they're
>> very similar bikes, but then again, I love my Hillborne enough to have
>> considered just two Hillbornes built differently on more than one
>> occasion!  I think the fact I'm 160lbs soaking wet has a lot to do with
>> it.
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 September 2021 at 05:05:54 UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> Great feedback folks! Very helpful. I have been inspired to keep the
>>> Roadini. I think I will bring the tires back down to something more fitting
>>> of the frame, and keep the build lean. At the same time I'm made more aware
>>> that my Clem H, which has been sitting idle for some time, should probably
>>> find a new home. My new Appaloosa overlaps too much, and I always grab
>>> *it* rather than the Clem. That will open a spot in my stable to
>>> justify a new bike.
>>>
>>> My Hillborne was a great commuter, and I do miss it. I was on the bottom
>>> end of the fit range on that frame (62cm), and with the double top tubes it
>>> was just too much bike. I am dead in the middle of the range for a 61.5
>>> Homer. With the slightly lighter tubing, slightly lower BB drop, and lack
>>> of second top tube, I think it may be the perfect replacement commuter. Of
>>> course, it may feel exactly the same, but there's only one way to find out!
>>> I can then keep my single speed for lousy weather; I have too much fun
>>> riding that to work with studded tires in the snow (rare as that is these
>>> days).
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 11:55:38 AM UTC-4 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I have a Roadeo and a Homer.  I ride the Roadeo for fair weather 1 day
 rides, but used my Homer for multi-day events set up as shown below.  Of
 course, the Homer wouldn't be a Roadeo when stripped to its lightest, but
 then again, it has rack mounts and fits wider tires, so it has tangible
 benefits and would serve very nicely in many categories.  I think the Homer
 is the right bike for riding with light loads.  I wouldn't hesitate to put
 on a rear rack and do some light touring too.

 Roadeo:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8443093499/

 Homer setup for 600k--obviously smaller bags work just fine and would
 be more spritely
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/6988274342/



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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

[Joe Bernard]

Jason, 

I owned that Bombadil and would say that stocky double-tube frame is way 
overbuilt for someone 160 lbs. unless you're running full touring loads all 
the time (your Instagram tells me you're not). I think the Hillborne/Homer 
combo is a better idea than popping for paint. 

Joe "in this reporter's opinion" Bernard

On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 9:50:32 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> This has been an interesting discussion to read for me too!  I'm in a 
> similar-but-different place, spurred by the cost to paint the Bombadil 
> (which, I'm willing to pay, but it does force you to think long-term), 
> where I'm considering making my Hillborne into the "heavy" bike and getting 
> a Homer from the upcoming batch to be the "light" bike.  I know they're 
> very similar bikes, but then again, I love my Hillborne enough to have 
> considered just two Hillbornes built differently on more than one 
> occasion!  I think the fact I'm 160lbs soaking wet has a lot to do with 
> it.   
>
> On Sunday, 26 September 2021 at 05:05:54 UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>
>> Great feedback folks! Very helpful. I have been inspired to keep the 
>> Roadini. I think I will bring the tires back down to something more fitting 
>> of the frame, and keep the build lean. At the same time I'm made more aware 
>> that my Clem H, which has been sitting idle for some time, should probably 
>> find a new home. My new Appaloosa overlaps too much, and I always grab 
>> *it* rather than the Clem. That will open a spot in my stable to justify 
>> a new bike. 
>>
>> My Hillborne was a great commuter, and I do miss it. I was on the bottom 
>> end of the fit range on that frame (62cm), and with the double top tubes it 
>> was just too much bike. I am dead in the middle of the range for a 61.5 
>> Homer. With the slightly lighter tubing, slightly lower BB drop, and lack 
>> of second top tube, I think it may be the perfect replacement commuter. Of 
>> course, it may feel exactly the same, but there's only one way to find out! 
>> I can then keep my single speed for lousy weather; I have too much fun 
>> riding that to work with studded tires in the snow (rare as that is these 
>> days).
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 11:55:38 AM UTC-4 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Roadeo and a Homer.  I ride the Roadeo for fair weather 1 day 
>>> rides, but used my Homer for multi-day events set up as shown below.  Of 
>>> course, the Homer wouldn't be a Roadeo when stripped to its lightest, but 
>>> then again, it has rack mounts and fits wider tires, so it has tangible 
>>> benefits and would serve very nicely in many categories.  I think the Homer 
>>> is the right bike for riding with light loads.  I wouldn't hesitate to put 
>>> on a rear rack and do some light touring too.
>>>
>>> Roadeo:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8443093499/
>>>
>>> Homer setup for 600k--obviously smaller bags work just fine and would be 
>>> more spritely
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/6988274342/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goathead immunity

[Patrick Moore]

I have to agree that my default would very definitely be tubes. Tubeless +
sealant is an annoying mess, were it not for goatheads to make it all
worthwhile. Where there are no such thorns, and where punctures are
therefore hundreds of miles apart -- I'd happily patch 1 flat per week to
avoid sealants -- I'd happily choose tubes, no sealants, and live with the
consequences.

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 2:25 PM Nick Payne  wrote:

> I have used tubeless tyres with sealant on road bikes. However, where I
> live these days I get few punctures, so there's not a great advantage to
> using sealant. There is a decided disadvantage if you have a lot of bikes -
> I have about a dozen that I alternate between - I'll ride one for a couple
> of weeks, then hang it back on it's hook and pull down another one to ride
> for a while, before moving onto a third, and so on. The trouble with using
> tubeless tyres and sealant with that setup is that by the time I come back
> to a bike to ride it again, any sealant in the tyres has mostly dried out
> and solidified at the lowest part of the tyre, making the wheel quite
> unbalanced, requiring me to dismount the tyre, clean out the solidified
> sealant, then remount the tyre and add more sealant.
>
> So these days I've given up on tubeless...
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Re: Music to ride by

[Patrick Moore]

The psalm was *violent,* not violet.

*Dixit Dominus Domino meo: sede ad dextram meam donec poniam inimicis tuis
scabellam pedam tuorum.* I imagined my mighty quads crushing hapless hoards
of attacking roadies.

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 3:28 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... One piece that did help assuage the pain -- again, I didn't mind the
> physical suffering; it was the mental suffering -- was Handel's *Dixit
> Dominus,* putting to music one of the more violet Psalms:
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[RBW] Music to ride by

[Patrick Moore]

Years ago, 25+ years ago, in fact, back when I thought that cold weather
meant riding a trainer indoors -- the pain of it finally made me go out and
ride outdoors in all weather except freezing rain and snow -- I had a
carefully crafted trainer routine involving 60 minutes of intervals in an
apartment with windows wide open, heat turned off, 18" fan 2' in front of
my face, towel on bar, and plastic mat underneath to catch the sweat. I,
meanwhile in shorts and shoes and nought else.

This was a very rigorous interval workout, with heartrate chart on wall
behind fan, and minimal recovery periods. The mag trainer had 10 settings,
and the bike -- Miyata 410 or somesuch -- had 12 speeds. The regimen
included multiple 10 minute intervals standing and cranking fast and hard
in the 52 X 14 and #10 setting.

So far, so good. The great problem was the ineffable boredom. "Ineffable"
doesn't begin to describe the mental pain. Time would slow down to 1/16 of
real speed. I tried watching reruns of Friends, but they were even slower
under exercise than ordinarily. I listened to NPR news, and tried Cream (
*Crossroads*) and other heavy rock 'n' roll.

One piece that did help assuage the pain -- again, I didn't mind the
physical suffering; it was the mental suffering -- was Handel's *Dixit
Dominus,* putting to music one of the more violet Psalms:

"The Lord said to my Lord: Sit thou at my right hand until I make of thine
enemies thy footstool" (KJV, of course, accept no other) with music
composed to match.

Anyway, as usual today, after riding to and from liturgy, I came home to
peruse the news (NYT Today's Paper), drink a drink or 2, and listen to
music on YouTube. I favor Baroque.

And I stumbled across this performance of Dixit Dominus, which I link to
for your enjoyment. Use it for your own trainer or Peloton workouts at no
charge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS65-ZvUSSM

Patrick "will balance this with evening ragas for bedtime" Moore



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[RBW] FS 2021 60cm Appaloosa frameset

[Kevin]

Hi all,

I've got a very lightly used <500 mi Appaloosa frame (sold with headset, 
bb, seatpost)
in mermaid green. I've tried a number of configurations but can't find one 
that's comfortable enough to justify keeping it. I got the frame from Riv 
in June or maybe early July this year.

It's in really good shape--only scuff to speak of is on the bottom of the 
derailleur hanger (it's still aligned fine). I'll have pics in a bit and am 
happy to answer any questions about fit etc.

I've not shipped a bike, so I'd prefer a local twin cities area sale, if 
possible. If you're willing to set up packing and shipping with a local 
shop, I'm happy to go that route and will throw in a pair of 2.1 
Thunderburts for your trouble. If it hangs around a bit, I will look into 
packing it myself.

Looking for $1,350 via PayPal plus any shipping costs. 

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goathead immunity

[Nick Payne]

I have used tubeless tyres with sealant on road bikes. However, where I 
live these days I get few punctures, so there's not a great advantage to 
using sealant. There is a decided disadvantage if you have a lot of bikes - 
I have about a dozen that I alternate between - I'll ride one for a couple 
of weeks, then hang it back on it's hook and pull down another one to ride 
for a while, before moving onto a third, and so on. The trouble with using 
tubeless tyres and sealant with that setup is that by the time I come back 
to a bike to ride it again, any sealant in the tyres has mostly dried out 
and solidified at the lowest part of the tyre, making the wheel quite 
unbalanced, requiring me to dismount the tyre, clean out the solidified 
sealant, then remount the tyre and add more sealant. 

So these days I've given up on tubeless...

Nick

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[RBW] ISO/WTB/WTT/WTG: Velocity A 23 tubeless rims, 26"/559 bsd size

[Patrick Moore]

If anyone has some of these lying around that she-er-he-er-it doesn't want,
I might well be interested. I'd prefer silver, but will consider any
reasonable color.

Thanks.

Patrick "EQ 21s with 3 layers of tape work, too" Moore

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goathead immunity

[Patrick Moore]

Yes, modern sealants are really amazing. I recall trying Slime some 10 or
15 years ago and finding that it didn't work well enough to be worth the
hassle (26X1.25" Paselas) and, when I did get a bigger hole, as from a
nail, I just got a huge, green, slimy mess. So I just went back to patching
3 to 5 punctures per week.

In about 2014 I tried a pair of very wonderful Challenge Parigi Roubaix
tires on my Ram; these were the original "beaded tubular" model, as supple
and fast-feeling as RH extra lights. I got 5 thorn flats in my first 10
miles, no kidding. That's when I bought Stan's. I switched to Orange Seal a
couple of years later and find that OS works better: Stan's is 85%, Stan's
(in tubes) is 97.5%. Metaphor, not statistics.

But man, being able to ride RH Elk Passes on my favorite Riv Road gofast
custom makes the expense and hassle plenty worth while.

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 8:03 AM Jeffrey Arita 
wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Congrats - you (have been) and are realizing the benefits of tubeless
> tires.  I 100% agree that there is a lot of knowledge (and potential
> frustation) learning about these new-fangled tubeless tires.  But now that
> you *know *how to do it, they will continue to provide the benefits you
> describe.
>
> One day when we were riding into Silver City (NM) I heard a strange noise
> emanating from my rear wheel.  Nothing felt out of place so I ignored it.
> We got to our motel for the afternoon and setled inI then examined my
> bike and saw a *lot *of *Stan's* on the back of my seat tube (white
> globules).  Tire was holding air, although it was a bit softer than
> normal.  I must have picked up some nasty crap that caused the sealant to
> fly around like that.  I added some air and all was good (had to eventually
> buy a new replacement tire in Salida, CO).
>
> About a month ago I was coaching a good buddy of ours on how to go about
> doing tubeless conversions (from afar).  Yes, lots and lots of frustation
> and I could hear him saying in his head "is this worth all the hassle?"
> Well, you just summed it all up with the numerous goatheads you just added
> to your *collection*.  Can you imagine having to patch up the inner
> tube???  What??  You've got to be joking!!
>
> How often do I add sealant?  Great question.  I definitely add sealant
> before a cyclo-tour or some such thing and a bit of time has passed (maybe
> several months).  Perhaps a bit sooner if we've had hot and dry weather (we
> are in Southern California).  FYI: we now have experience with Stan's,
> Orange Seal (both standard and endurance) and now Panaracer Seal Smart.
> Stan's and OS (both) have worked well and are very easy to add via the
> tubeless valve stem (with valve core removed).  I've found Panaracer Seal
> Smart somewhat harder to add via the tubeless valve stem because the
> ground-up walnut shells can clog the stem.  I use an old spoke to push
> anything that might have gotten clogged in the stem to clear it (yeah,
> another pain in the arse).
>
> Later,
>
> Jeff (will be in Crested Butte for a few days to leaf peep)
>
>
> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 12:39:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> First, an update: the Big Ones (again, these are 29 1/2" tall, 62 mm
>> wide, and weight *450 grams each*) each have a dozen or so thorns
>> embedded in the tread with tops broken off; no air loss. 2-3 fl oz each
>> tire of OS Endurance, which is said to take longer to evaporate than OS
>> regular.
>>
>> I schedule replenishment every 3 months or so for tubeless tires, though
>> usually what happens is that I forget, and only notice that the sealant has
>> evaporated when I get flats that don't seal; fortunately, these have all
>> been slow leaks, so I can generally limp home by stopping and pumping.
>>
>> Endurance doesn't clump; I get a skin and strings of dried sealant which
>> I don't bother with unless I have to open the tire for some other reason.
>>
>> OS regular in tubes takes a year or more to dry out; I just added more to
>> one or 2 tubes after a flat or 2 would not seal, and it had probably been
>> 18 or 24 months since I had first added the OS regular. (OS Endurance
>> doesn't work in tubes, IME.) I've not had OS clump in tubes the way Stan's
>> did.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 10:47 AM A. Douglas M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> This year’s crop is indeed bountiful. Last week I got a tire full and
>>> made it home only to find that tire (29x2.5 surly ET) flat the following
>>> day. I believe my orange seal dried out.
>>>
>>> Just two days ago I got a few goat heads in my 650b WTB resolutes. I
>>> knew this occurred because I got a nice spray of OS all over my hand and
>>> leg. It did seal up on its own. A few pumps of the mini pump had me back on
>>> the road, and that tire stayed inflated as of this morning.
>>>
>>> How often do you top off your sealant? How often do you scrape out old
>>> boogers?
>>>
>>> I think tubeless is a requirement in goathead country. Riding is not
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Matthew Williams]

Quickbeam
56cm
$1000
Madison, WI
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/383102443441734


Romulus
55cm
$1250
Spring, TX
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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Atlantis
61cm
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Rambouillet
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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn medium bad, like Banana Bag

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sold

On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 12:41:20 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> Sale pending. 
>
> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 9:18:08 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 9:17:27 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Cross post to iBob and RBW
>>>
>>> Acorn medium bad, lightly used.  I noticed a black line on it as I was 
>>> taking pics, it should come out if you desire.  
>>> https://www.acornbags.com/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=32461102984
>>> $85 shipped, I paid $105 + shipped.  I prefer their small bag and use 
>>> them on 2 bikes.  This is similar to a banana bad with a closure in 
>>> addition to the flap to protect the contents and 2 outside pockets.  
>>>
>>> It may take 2 messages to post all pics. 
>>>
>>> Paypal friend and family. 
>>>
>>> There was a bit of a smudge but I cleaned it up and am reposting. 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

[James Warren]

Bones,

I have a Homer, Hillborne, and Rambouillet.

The Homer and Hillborne are closer to the same than the Homer and Ram are. My 
guess is that you didn’t overshoot. Homer and Hillborne are both country bikes. 
Let’s say I were to settle on two bikes and wanted one to be a light feeling 
“road bike.” If I had a Roadini, I’d have that covered, and Sam could by my 
country bike.

Enjoy,
Jimmy

> On Sep 23, 2021, at 7:38 AM, Bones  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my particular 
> situation:
> 
> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 
> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It serves 
> the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always felt a bit 
> too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding on roads with 
> light loads). 
> 
> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer would 
> be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, without 
> having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on Quills --> 
> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without using 
> P-clamps.
> 
> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt for 
> me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be 
> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain in 
> functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I just 
> want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I 
> experience with the Roadini.
> 
> Any insight is much appreciated!
> 
> Bones
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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

[Jason Fuller]

This has been an interesting discussion to read for me too!  I'm in a 
similar-but-different place, spurred by the cost to paint the Bombadil 
(which, I'm willing to pay, but it does force you to think long-term), 
where I'm considering making my Hillborne into the "heavy" bike and getting 
a Homer from the upcoming batch to be the "light" bike.  I know they're 
very similar bikes, but then again, I love my Hillborne enough to have 
considered just two Hillbornes built differently on more than one 
occasion!  I think the fact I'm 160lbs soaking wet has a lot to do with 
it.   

On Sunday, 26 September 2021 at 05:05:54 UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> Great feedback folks! Very helpful. I have been inspired to keep the 
> Roadini. I think I will bring the tires back down to something more fitting 
> of the frame, and keep the build lean. At the same time I'm made more aware 
> that my Clem H, which has been sitting idle for some time, should probably 
> find a new home. My new Appaloosa overlaps too much, and I always grab 
> *it* rather than the Clem. That will open a spot in my stable to justify 
> a new bike. 
>
> My Hillborne was a great commuter, and I do miss it. I was on the bottom 
> end of the fit range on that frame (62cm), and with the double top tubes it 
> was just too much bike. I am dead in the middle of the range for a 61.5 
> Homer. With the slightly lighter tubing, slightly lower BB drop, and lack 
> of second top tube, I think it may be the perfect replacement commuter. Of 
> course, it may feel exactly the same, but there's only one way to find out! 
> I can then keep my single speed for lousy weather; I have too much fun 
> riding that to work with studded tires in the snow (rare as that is these 
> days).
>
> Bones
>
> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 11:55:38 AM UTC-4 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> I have a Roadeo and a Homer.  I ride the Roadeo for fair weather 1 day 
>> rides, but used my Homer for multi-day events set up as shown below.  Of 
>> course, the Homer wouldn't be a Roadeo when stripped to its lightest, but 
>> then again, it has rack mounts and fits wider tires, so it has tangible 
>> benefits and would serve very nicely in many categories.  I think the Homer 
>> is the right bike for riding with light loads.  I wouldn't hesitate to put 
>> on a rear rack and do some light touring too.
>>
>> Roadeo:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8443093499/
>>
>> Homer setup for 600k--obviously smaller bags work just fine and would be 
>> more spritely
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/6988274342/
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn medium bad, like Banana Bag

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sale pending. 

On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 9:18:08 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 9:17:27 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Cross post to iBob and RBW
>>
>> Acorn medium bad, lightly used.  I noticed a black line on it as I was 
>> taking pics, it should come out if you desire.  
>> https://www.acornbags.com/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=32461102984
>> $85 shipped, I paid $105 + shipped.  I prefer their small bag and use 
>> them on 2 bikes.  This is similar to a banana bad with a closure in 
>> addition to the flap to protect the contents and 2 outside pockets.  
>>
>> It may take 2 messages to post all pics. 
>>
>> Paypal friend and family. 
>>
>> There was a bit of a smudge but I cleaned it up and am reposting. 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Max S]

Indeed, Beatifully set up bike, Paul. Always enjoy your builds and 
photography. 

- Max “how was your ride?.. more than bokeh” in A2

On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 11:32:13 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Hello Paul,
>
> Gorgeous bike and photos to boot. Thank you for the component details as 
> well. 
>
> Your description of the CX-70 front derailer touching the chainstay is 
> particularly timely. I'm doing a build now where the derailer/chainstay 
> kiss each other - or within a whisker or two of that so I've wondered, how 
> close is too close? Like you, I have the option of a perfectly functional 
> but less attractive shorter cage der but would prefer using the vintage 
> (silver of course) longer cage model. From the pictures it would appear the 
> CX-70-chainstay marriage is working out well so I have hopes for my combo.
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
>
> Best,
> Rich n ATL
>
> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 10:00:58 AM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> Forgot to mention the cassette spec is 10spd 11-30t, so 11/40 high and 
>> 30/24 low. High enough for me, plenty low for a mostly unloaded sled.
>>
>> 22.3lbs as is, with several spec subs that would get it into the 21lb+ 
>> range. Could go more modern and down in the 20s, but I like the older 
>> school look.
>>
>> And yeah, better to say "...clearance for 30mm tires..." since 32s are 
>> getting dicey.
>>
>> I had issues posting the photos, gotta click to view 'em, will see if 
>> cutting the [img] tags fixes that...
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 6:06:25 PM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>>> Old School time, a day late for Throwback Thursday, if that's still a 
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> '98 Riv Custom, built by Joe Starck, back in the day when 
>>> designing/building a short-reach caliper frame with rock-bottom brake shoes 
>>> ("Look out, Courageous, it's Rock Bottom!!!") and clearance for 32mm 700c 
>>> tires was a big f'in deal...
>>>
>> [snip] 
>>
>>>
>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51218631413_cc5a80d181_k.jpg 
>>> 
>>>
>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51217707602_31d1bfcc06_k.jpg 
>>> 
>>>
>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50365316941_c7a4475dda_k.jpg 
>>> 
>>>
>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50440286627_b8fb4c3792_k.jpg 
>>> 
>>>
>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50440286327_bd34374447_k.jpg 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goathead immunity

[Jeffrey Arita]

Patrick,

Congrats - you (have been) and are realizing the benefits of tubeless 
tires.  I 100% agree that there is a lot of knowledge (and potential 
frustation) learning about these new-fangled tubeless tires.  But now that 
you *know *how to do it, they will continue to provide the benefits you 
describe.

One day when we were riding into Silver City (NM) I heard a strange noise 
emanating from my rear wheel.  Nothing felt out of place so I ignored it.  
We got to our motel for the afternoon and setled inI then examined my 
bike and saw a *lot *of *Stan's* on the back of my seat tube (white 
globules).  Tire was holding air, although it was a bit softer than 
normal.  I must have picked up some nasty crap that caused the sealant to 
fly around like that.  I added some air and all was good (had to eventually 
buy a new replacement tire in Salida, CO).

About a month ago I was coaching a good buddy of ours on how to go about 
doing tubeless conversions (from afar).  Yes, lots and lots of frustation 
and I could hear him saying in his head "is this worth all the hassle?"  
Well, you just summed it all up with the numerous goatheads you just added 
to your *collection*.  Can you imagine having to patch up the inner 
tube???  What??  You've got to be joking!! 

How often do I add sealant?  Great question.  I definitely add sealant 
before a cyclo-tour or some such thing and a bit of time has passed (maybe 
several months).  Perhaps a bit sooner if we've had hot and dry weather (we 
are in Southern California).  FYI: we now have experience with Stan's, 
Orange Seal (both standard and endurance) and now Panaracer Seal Smart.  
Stan's and OS (both) have worked well and are very easy to add via the 
tubeless valve stem (with valve core removed).  I've found Panaracer Seal 
Smart somewhat harder to add via the tubeless valve stem because the 
ground-up walnut shells can clog the stem.  I use an old spoke to push 
anything that might have gotten clogged in the stem to clear it (yeah, 
another pain in the arse).

Later,

Jeff (will be in Crested Butte for a few days to leaf peep)


On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 12:39:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> First, an update: the Big Ones (again, these are 29 1/2" tall, 62 mm wide, 
> and weight *450 grams each*) each have a dozen or so thorns embedded in 
> the tread with tops broken off; no air loss. 2-3 fl oz each tire of OS 
> Endurance, which is said to take longer to evaporate than OS regular.
>
> I schedule replenishment every 3 months or so for tubeless tires, though 
> usually what happens is that I forget, and only notice that the sealant has 
> evaporated when I get flats that don't seal; fortunately, these have all 
> been slow leaks, so I can generally limp home by stopping and pumping.
>
> Endurance doesn't clump; I get a skin and strings of dried sealant which I 
> don't bother with unless I have to open the tire for some other reason.
>
> OS regular in tubes takes a year or more to dry out; I just added more to 
> one or 2 tubes after a flat or 2 would not seal, and it had probably been 
> 18 or 24 months since I had first added the OS regular. (OS Endurance 
> doesn't work in tubes, IME.) I've not had OS clump in tubes the way Stan's 
> did.
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 10:47 AM A. Douglas M.  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> This year’s crop is indeed bountiful. Last week I got a tire full and 
>> made it home only to find that tire (29x2.5 surly ET) flat the following 
>> day. I believe my orange seal dried out.
>>
>> Just two days ago I got a few goat heads in my 650b WTB resolutes. I knew 
>> this occurred because I got a nice spray of OS all over my hand and leg. It 
>> did seal up on its own. A few pumps of the mini pump had me back on the 
>> road, and that tire stayed inflated as of this morning.
>>
>> How often do you top off your sealant? How often do you scrape out old 
>> boogers?
>>
>> I think tubeless is a requirement in goathead country. Riding is not 
>> enjoyable when having to fix 3+ tubes per ride.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso 
>>
>> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 8:07:47 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> This evening I did a combined pavement and dirt ride on my "road bike 
>>> for dirt" Chauncey Matthews bilaminate custom, on a route including nearby 
>>> acequia roads, Paseo Bike Path, Rio Grand Boulevard, Los  Poblanos open 
>>> space, Montano Boulevard. 
>>>
>>> This years's goathead crop is a stunner. I took a shortcut from Los 
>>> Poblanos to RG Boulevard that took me over a few hundred feet of goathead 
>>> carpet -- I could hear the tires crunching over the thorns as they picked 
>>> them up, and the scraping of the embedded thorns against the underside of 
>>> the Kelpie fenders. Sure enough, as I turned left onto RGB, I saw dozens of 
>>> thorns embedded in the extra light Schwalbe Big One front (450 grams, 62 mm 
>>> actual on 35 mm outer width rims).
>>>
>>> But I made it home and just now, 3 hours 

Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

[Bones]

Great feedback folks! Very helpful. I have been inspired to keep the 
Roadini. I think I will bring the tires back down to something more fitting 
of the frame, and keep the build lean. At the same time I'm made more aware 
that my Clem H, which has been sitting idle for some time, should probably 
find a new home. My new Appaloosa overlaps too much, and I always grab *it* 
rather than the Clem. That will open a spot in my stable to justify a new 
bike. 

My Hillborne was a great commuter, and I do miss it. I was on the bottom 
end of the fit range on that frame (62cm), and with the double top tubes it 
was just too much bike. I am dead in the middle of the range for a 61.5 
Homer. With the slightly lighter tubing, slightly lower BB drop, and lack 
of second top tube, I think it may be the perfect replacement commuter. Of 
course, it may feel exactly the same, but there's only one way to find out! 
I can then keep my single speed for lousy weather; I have too much fun 
riding that to work with studded tires in the snow (rare as that is these 
days).

Bones

On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 11:55:38 AM UTC-4 ttoshi wrote:

> I have a Roadeo and a Homer.  I ride the Roadeo for fair weather 1 day 
> rides, but used my Homer for multi-day events set up as shown below.  Of 
> course, the Homer wouldn't be a Roadeo when stripped to its lightest, but 
> then again, it has rack mounts and fits wider tires, so it has tangible 
> benefits and would serve very nicely in many categories.  I think the Homer 
> is the right bike for riding with light loads.  I wouldn't hesitate to put 
> on a rear rack and do some light touring too.
>
> Roadeo:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8443093499/
>
> Homer setup for 600k--obviously smaller bags work just fine and would be 
> more spritely
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/6988274342/
>
>
>
>

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