[RBW] WTT: Pants and Jacket for smaller sized

[Robert Dowtin]

I have pictured in the link below, one pair of size 36 Rene Herse knickers 
and I would love to trade them with someone who has a size 32 of the exact 
same pants. I have worn and washed these pants probably a dozen times and 
don't appear to have lost any quality. Also pictured is a pair of Swerve 
pants, size 34, I recently got from either this list or the 650b list. 
Amazing quality, very much your new fall go to pants. I would love to trade 
these for a comparable pant worth about $50 or I would be willing to trade 
these for the RH knickers size 32 and I will kick in $30, lets say? Both of 
these pants phenomenal just are simply too big for me now. Same goes for 
the last article which is a Garneau jacket sized XL, fits more like a L. 
Would love to trade it with someone for a medium/large similar fall/winter 
jacket. Let me know what you got. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AP9oZCYmmJBSqfwS8

~Rob in NW Ar


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[RBW] Free Holiday Shipping

[Christopher Wiggins]

To add to the coming glad tidings, I’ve added a coupon to my site for free 
shipping.  There are limitations obviously.
Read all the details here:  
https://thepsychicderailleur.com/free-holiday-shipping/

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[RBW] Re: Bars For Sam

[Joe Bernard]

If the Sam is just a smidge long in the cockpit with Noodles then I 
wouldn't go shorter on the stem for pullback bars, the reach is VERY 
different from drops. If you have a 26.0 stem clamp now you can mount a 
25.4 Bosco or Choco with a shim. This will give a good starting point 
without buying a new stem, you'll know pretty quick if you need longer or 
shorter.

Joe Bernard


On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 12:10:48 PM UTC-7 rsb...@msn.com wrote:

> I have a 62cm Sam frame that I built up with Drop bars (Noodles) and it 
> just felt too big for me. I Was going to sell it but I'm thinking maybe I 
> should try some more upright bars before I let it go.
>  I am 6'-02" with a 93cm PBH. I have a 64 cm MIT Atlantis and a 64cm Rambo 
> that are very comfortable for me with 10cm stem and Noodle bars.
>  The effective TT length is 61.5 on the Sam frame opposed to 59-60 on the 
> other two frames. Thinking I'd like to try Bosco or Choco bars and a 
> shorter stem.
>  I have always used drop bars. Have a set of Moustache bars that I tried 
> and couldn't get comfortable with. I would like to have a flat section 
> close to the stem so the 2 bars I mentioned look like they are the ones to 
> try.
> Anyone else gone through this when trying to get comfortable on the newer 
> sloped top tube Riv frames?
>  Anybody have some wide Choco or Bosco bars they want to sell or trade?
> I have a like new Moustache and some Noodle bars to swap.
>
> Richard Borneman
>

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[RBW] Re: Bars For Sam

[David Person]

6’-2” with 95cm PBH.  62cm Sam (2015 model).  Started with Nitto drops with 
100mm Tallis.  Switched to Albatross bars pretty quickly, same stem. 
 Recently switched to Choco bars with 110mm Nitto Fillet FacePlater stem. 
 I have the Choco bars mounted ‘upside down’ as I like the angle it places 
my wrists in.  My preferred hand location is at or ahead of the brake 
levers.  Needed the FacePlater stem to keep the bars (at the grips) at the 
same height as the Alba/Tallux combination.  

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 5:23:42 PM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Richard!
> I really like Chocos for what you're describing. They have a great flat 
> next-to-stem position you mentioned, as well as a really nice position 
> around the bends that is kind of like the hoods on drops. Then you have 
> your nice upright position on the grips, too. I have Chocos on my MIT 
> Atlantis, and I use all three positions (though I usually split time 
> between using the grips and the bends). 
>
> When you say the bike is too big, I'm assuming you just feel too stretched 
> out horizontally. If that's the case, I like what Jason did with a shorter 
> stem. I'm very similar to your build (93.5 PBH, 6'3") and I have a 62cm Sam 
> with a 9cm stem and Noodles and I feel like it's just perfect. I know 
> geometries might not be exactly the same on our Sams and I do have long 
> arms and am a touch taller...but if you could get the bars 4-5 cm closer, 
> do you think that'd do the trick?
>
> Good luck! 
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 2:10:48 PM UTC-5 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> I have a 62cm Sam frame that I built up with Drop bars (Noodles) and it 
>> just felt too big for me. I Was going to sell it but I'm thinking maybe I 
>> should try some more upright bars before I let it go.
>>  I am 6'-02" with a 93cm PBH. I have a 64 cm MIT Atlantis and a 64cm 
>> Rambo that are very comfortable for me with 10cm stem and Noodle bars.
>>  The effective TT length is 61.5 on the Sam frame opposed to 59-60 on the 
>> other two frames. Thinking I'd like to try Bosco or Choco bars and a 
>> shorter stem.
>>  I have always used drop bars. Have a set of Moustache bars that I tried 
>> and couldn't get comfortable with. I would like to have a flat section 
>> close to the stem so the 2 bars I mentioned look like they are the ones to 
>> try.
>> Anyone else gone through this when trying to get comfortable on the newer 
>> sloped top tube Riv frames?
>>  Anybody have some wide Choco or Bosco bars they want to sell or trade?
>> I have a like new Moustache and some Noodle bars to swap.
>>
>> Richard Borneman
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Inspiring Clem Smith Jr L builds!!

[Doug H.]

I'm liking that frame color, lime-olive and the tan sidewalls looks great. 
Nice build. I bought my garage sale Clem L over two weeks ago and it hasn't 
shipped! I'm getting impatient.
Keep the photos coming Clem L owners.
Doug
Athens, GA

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 3:13:10 PM UTC-4 gleaso...@gmail.com wrote:

> Had some fun getting this ride assembled. 59cm from the August 2021 frame 
> sale. Tosco bars. Sorta light Nitto rear rack. Cliffhangers with Rene Herse 
> fleecer ridge 55s. Son hub to B&M light.
> I wanted this to be able to handle loose gravel, country roads, medium 
> loads, night rides, rail trail, etc. and I'd say it's succeeding nicely. 
> Gotta fine tune the shifter and brake lever locations for better hand 
> position options. 
> [image: IMG_1861.jpeg]
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 8:51:46 PM UTC-5 fraze...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sweet build, thanks for sharing!! :)
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> "Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world." - 
>> Grant Petersen
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 6:07 PM J Imler  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 7DED9F5A-51DB-4ED5-B70D-215B7DB65599.jpeg]
>>> 59 Clem L in naked sunbather land
>>> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 8:41:19 AM UTC-7 fraze...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's awesome! 

 Thanks! 

 Ron

 "Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world." 
 - Grant Petersen



 On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 8:12 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> Congrats! I bought one of the web special Clem L bikes that was built 
> up 1x10 with a Shimano indexed shifter. It has Tosco bars, Cliffhanger 
> wheels, Teravail Ehline tires, and a Clipper crankset. I'll attach a 
> photo 
> from the website as it hasn't been shipped yet (hopefully today!). I'll 
> use 
> a Brooks C17 saddle.
> Doug
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 10:46:16 AM UTC-4 fraze...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> I just bought my first Rivendell (Clem Smith Jr. L) and I am beyond 
>> stoked to drive up and pick it up! I was originally looking for an 
>> Atlantis 
>> frame and fork...but kept looking at Grant's Clem Smith Jr L (maxed out) 
>> in 
>> the *Staff Bikes* section of the site...it really seemed to be 
>> calling to me. And then, with the Riv site redesign (which I like much 
>> better BTW), there is the picture representing "Trailish" bikes of 
>> Grant's 
>> Clem battling a pretty gnarly root section...just muddying up my 
>> decision 
>> making process...which isn't hard to do, BTW. 
>>
>>  After discussing my "dilemma" over a few wonderfully lengthy, phone 
>> calls with Hugh covering so much bike geekery, I decided to pull the 
>> trigger on buying one of the leftover 59 complete bikes that were left.
>>  
>> Since I was originally looking for a frame and fork, I have a lot of 
>> my own parts (both bought and pulled from the bin o' parts) for this 
>> bike 
>> and I will be replacing some of the parts on the complete. 
>>
>> If you guys don't mind playing along...I would love it if you fellow 
>> Clem Smith Jr L owners could send over some pics of your builds. 
>>
>> That would be awesome. 
>>
>> Thanks! :)
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me Sam! Advice/recommendations?

[Ben Mihovk]

Awesome! Very helpful…the Atlas is a little wider so I’m guessing the GKs will 
be 38 or a touch more mounted.

Thanks!
Ben

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:59 PM, esoterica etc  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hey Ben,
> 
> I mounted a new pair of Gravelking slick 700c x 38's on my single speed bike 
> about two months ago and am really liking them a lot. I ride mostly paved 
> country roads with a bit of smooth dirt trails thrown in. They measure 37.5mm 
> on 23mm rims (outer width). Hope that helps. Cheers,
> 
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2021, at 18:18, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> The Gravelkings are more and more intriguing to me. One person on this 
>> thread mentioned they are more like 35mm installed on older Super Champion 
>> rims (which I'm guessing are much more narrow than the Atlas rims I have). 
>> 
>> Has anyone put the 38cm Gravelking Slicks and measured how wide they are 
>> installed? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ben
>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 4:41 PM Johnny Alien  
>>> wrote:
>>> Most people would probably disagree with me but after using Parimotos, 
>>> Gravel King slicks and RH tires I don't think the RH are worth all of the 
>>> extra money.  They are the nicest of those three but not by enough to make 
>>> me spend the money for them. I don't regret spending the money and enjoy 
>>> the set I am riding but I don't think I would spend it again. For 650B I 
>>> don't think there is a better value than the Parimoto tires. People say 
>>> they flat really easily and maybe that is the case in some riding 
>>> conditions but I can't remember the last time I got a flat on one. I must 
>>> have decent road conditions as I really don't get flats on any tires. For 
>>> 700C I would go with the Gravel Kings. Just my opinion of course.
>>> 
 On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 Dan Sullivan wrote:
 Another thumbs up for the Gravel King 38 slicks.  Have a pair on my 
 canti-Rom and they are really fast and comfy smooth at 35-40 psi, 
 super-great tires.  I've not ridden any RH tires and they may be even 
 better but these are so nice I have no desire to spend the money to find 
 out.
 
 Dan in MSN
 
> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
> No worries at all! 
> 
> If anyone can find the tutorial on grinding down the tab on the Shimano 
> bar end pod, I'm struggling to find it on Riv's website. I thought it was 
> on one of the pages for the shifters themselves, but not seeing them 
> there or on the Shimano Dura-Ace page. 
> 
> Ben
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:05 PM Paul Richardson  
>> wrote:
>> whoa, no, i totally lied.  i'm sorry.  i pulled up my old invoice and it 
>> looks like back in the day they sold a kit that included the shifters 
>> and the pods, which is what i used.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> sorry to mislead you; shoulda kept my mouth shut!  guess my memory isn't 
>> as good as i thought!  and man where did i put those shimano pods...?!
>> 
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me Sam! Advice/recommendations?

[esoterica etc]

Hey Ben,

I mounted a new pair of Gravelking slick 700c x 38's on my single speed bike 
about two months ago and am really liking them a lot. I ride mostly paved 
country roads with a bit of smooth dirt trails thrown in. They measure 37.5mm 
on 23mm rims (outer width). Hope that helps. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC



> On Nov 6, 2021, at 18:18, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Gravelkings are more and more intriguing to me. One person on this thread 
> mentioned they are more like 35mm installed on older Super Champion rims 
> (which I'm guessing are much more narrow than the Atlas rims I have). 
> 
> Has anyone put the 38cm Gravelking Slicks and measured how wide they are 
> installed? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 4:41 PM Johnny Alien  
>> wrote:
>> Most people would probably disagree with me but after using Parimotos, 
>> Gravel King slicks and RH tires I don't think the RH are worth all of the 
>> extra money.  They are the nicest of those three but not by enough to make 
>> me spend the money for them. I don't regret spending the money and enjoy the 
>> set I am riding but I don't think I would spend it again. For 650B I don't 
>> think there is a better value than the Parimoto tires. People say they flat 
>> really easily and maybe that is the case in some riding conditions but I 
>> can't remember the last time I got a flat on one. I must have decent road 
>> conditions as I really don't get flats on any tires. For 700C I would go 
>> with the Gravel Kings. Just my opinion of course.
>> 
>>> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>> Another thumbs up for the Gravel King 38 slicks.  Have a pair on my 
>>> canti-Rom and they are really fast and comfy smooth at 35-40 psi, 
>>> super-great tires.  I've not ridden any RH tires and they may be even 
>>> better but these are so nice I have no desire to spend the money to find 
>>> out.
>>> 
>>> Dan in MSN
>>> 
 On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 No worries at all! 
 
 If anyone can find the tutorial on grinding down the tab on the Shimano 
 bar end pod, I'm struggling to find it on Riv's website. I thought it was 
 on one of the pages for the shifters themselves, but not seeing them there 
 or on the Shimano Dura-Ace page. 
 
 Ben
 
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:05 PM Paul Richardson  
> wrote:
> whoa, no, i totally lied.  i'm sorry.  i pulled up my old invoice and it 
> looks like back in the day they sold a kit that included the shifters and 
> the pods, which is what i used.
> 
> 
> 
> sorry to mislead you; shoulda kept my mouth shut!  guess my memory isn't 
> as good as i thought!  and man where did i put those shimano pods...?!
> 
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> 
 
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[RBW] Re: Bars For Sam

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey Richard!
I really like Chocos for what you're describing. They have a great flat 
next-to-stem position you mentioned, as well as a really nice position 
around the bends that is kind of like the hoods on drops. Then you have 
your nice upright position on the grips, too. I have Chocos on my MIT 
Atlantis, and I use all three positions (though I usually split time 
between using the grips and the bends). 

When you say the bike is too big, I'm assuming you just feel too stretched 
out horizontally. If that's the case, I like what Jason did with a shorter 
stem. I'm very similar to your build (93.5 PBH, 6'3") and I have a 62cm Sam 
with a 9cm stem and Noodles and I feel like it's just perfect. I know 
geometries might not be exactly the same on our Sams and I do have long 
arms and am a touch taller...but if you could get the bars 4-5 cm closer, 
do you think that'd do the trick?

Good luck! 
Ben

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 2:10:48 PM UTC-5 rsb...@msn.com wrote:

> I have a 62cm Sam frame that I built up with Drop bars (Noodles) and it 
> just felt too big for me. I Was going to sell it but I'm thinking maybe I 
> should try some more upright bars before I let it go.
>  I am 6'-02" with a 93cm PBH. I have a 64 cm MIT Atlantis and a 64cm Rambo 
> that are very comfortable for me with 10cm stem and Noodle bars.
>  The effective TT length is 61.5 on the Sam frame opposed to 59-60 on the 
> other two frames. Thinking I'd like to try Bosco or Choco bars and a 
> shorter stem.
>  I have always used drop bars. Have a set of Moustache bars that I tried 
> and couldn't get comfortable with. I would like to have a flat section 
> close to the stem so the 2 bars I mentioned look like they are the ones to 
> try.
> Anyone else gone through this when trying to get comfortable on the newer 
> sloped top tube Riv frames?
>  Anybody have some wide Choco or Bosco bars they want to sell or trade?
> I have a like new Moustache and some Noodle bars to swap.
>
> Richard Borneman
>

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[RBW] Re: Bars For Sam

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey Richard!
I really like Chocos for what you're describing. They have a great flat 
next-to-stem position you mentioned, as well as a really nice position 
around the bends that is kind of like the hoods on drops. Then you have 
your nice upright position on the grips, too. I have Chocos on my MIT 
Atlantis, and I use all three positions (though I usually split time 
between using the grips and the bends). 

When you say the bike is too big, I'm assuming you just feel too stretched 
out horizontally. If that's the case, I like what Jason did with a shorter 
stem. I'm very similar to your build (93.5 PBH, 6'3") and I have a 62cm Sam 
with a 9cm stem and Noodles and I feel like it's just perfect. I know 
geometries I do have long arms and am a touch taller...but if you could get 
the bars 4-5 cm closer, do you think that'd do the trick?

Good luck! 
Ben



On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 2:10:48 PM UTC-5 rsb...@msn.com wrote:

> I have a 62cm Sam frame that I built up with Drop bars (Noodles) and it 
> just felt too big for me. I Was going to sell it but I'm thinking maybe I 
> should try some more upright bars before I let it go.
>  I am 6'-02" with a 93cm PBH. I have a 64 cm MIT Atlantis and a 64cm Rambo 
> that are very comfortable for me with 10cm stem and Noodle bars.
>  The effective TT length is 61.5 on the Sam frame opposed to 59-60 on the 
> other two frames. Thinking I'd like to try Bosco or Choco bars and a 
> shorter stem.
>  I have always used drop bars. Have a set of Moustache bars that I tried 
> and couldn't get comfortable with. I would like to have a flat section 
> close to the stem so the 2 bars I mentioned look like they are the ones to 
> try.
> Anyone else gone through this when trying to get comfortable on the newer 
> sloped top tube Riv frames?
>  Anybody have some wide Choco or Bosco bars they want to sell or trade?
> I have a like new Moustache and some Noodle bars to swap.
>
> Richard Borneman
>

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[RBW] Re: Bars For Sam

[Jason Fuller]

Hi Richard - since I don't fit a 62, I can offer an impartial opinion ;)

I run Noodles on my Sam but required a 5cm stem for the fit to be right. 
Some would say that needing such a short stem means the bike doesn't fit me 
but I wholeheartedly disagree - the short stem gives it a longer wheelbase 
and longer front-center compared to a "standard road fit" and this benefits 
its mixed-surface capabilities undoubtedly. 

If you wanted to retain some of the road type fit you could try the 
Albastache - probably also on a fairly short stem, but about 2-3cm longer 
than what a Noodle would use to get you the reach you're after (I think), 
so might work well with your existing stem.  

The Choco is a beautiful bar too, though you might need a long stem to get 
the fit right.  Worth trying though!  Since the Sam's geometry is sort of a 
hybrid between drop and upright bar geometries, I'm betting you are right 
to try it with an upright bar - but if you can just go shorter on the stem, 
I think that's worth exploring too 

On Saturday, 6 November 2021 at 12:10:48 UTC-7 rsb...@msn.com wrote:

> I have a 62cm Sam frame that I built up with Drop bars (Noodles) and it 
> just felt too big for me. I Was going to sell it but I'm thinking maybe I 
> should try some more upright bars before I let it go.
>  I am 6'-02" with a 93cm PBH. I have a 64 cm MIT Atlantis and a 64cm Rambo 
> that are very comfortable for me with 10cm stem and Noodle bars.
>  The effective TT length is 61.5 on the Sam frame opposed to 59-60 on the 
> other two frames. Thinking I'd like to try Bosco or Choco bars and a 
> shorter stem.
>  I have always used drop bars. Have a set of Moustache bars that I tried 
> and couldn't get comfortable with. I would like to have a flat section 
> close to the stem so the 2 bars I mentioned look like they are the ones to 
> try.
> Anyone else gone through this when trying to get comfortable on the newer 
> sloped top tube Riv frames?
>  Anybody have some wide Choco or Bosco bars they want to sell or trade?
> I have a like new Moustache and some Noodle bars to swap.
>
> Richard Borneman
>

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[RBW] WTB/WTT: Shimano CX70 Front Derailleur

[Brian Campbell]

Hi. Wondering if anyone who has transitioned to 1x shifting, or in the 
parts pile<, that they woul be willing to part with?

I could use either clamp on or braze-on style in the bottom pull format.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: 11 speed cassette for pre-2017 Homer?

[Garth]

This is a good resource to keep btw about compatibility .   
https://bike.bikegremlin.com/category/technical-part/compatibility/

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 6:18:16 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Do you really want to use 11-speed stuff Jason, or are you letting the 105 
> stuff you have dictate what you ride ? Your frame is 135mm spacing so an 
> 11sp capable cassette body will work. But I'm getting the impression you're 
> letting the derailleurs you have yank your chain, so to speak. With the 
> 8-10sp stuff you have a lot more flexibility, and you won't have to replace 
> the 350 freehub body, assuming it is the 8-10sp version. Derailleurs are 
> easy to sell and buy. The obvious thing to me is simply get a replacement 
> FD for the one that "broke" and be on your merry way. How does a FD break, 
> by the way ? 
>
>
> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have a technical question and can't find an answer, so I'm hoping that 
>> some with experience may be able to help.
>>
>> I'll put the details below, in case anyone wants them, but my question is 
>> this:  *Does anyone run an 11 speed cassette with a pre-2017 Homer?*  My 
>> Homer is 2011.
>>
>> Details:
>> The front derailleur on my new-to-me 2011 Homer broke the other day.  For 
>> a number of reasons, I am considering putting the nearly Shimano 105 front 
>> and rear derailleurs on the bike, which would require an 11 speed cassette, 
>> which I also have.  The 11 speed drivetrain doesn't work on my 1980s bike 
>> that I foolishly bought them for.  
>>
>> To put the cassette on the hub, I need to replace the free hub body on 
>> the rear hub (DT Swiss 350).  Apparently it's easy to do, but the people at 
>> DT Swiss don't know if the frame is compatible with an 11 speed cassette 
>> and say the only way to know is by trying.  
>>
>> I'd prefer not to buy the part only to discover that it doesn't fit -- 
>> that's how I wound up with the 105 parts in the first place.  Hoping that 
>> someone here might have the set up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> jason
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me Sam! Advice/recommendations?

[Ben Mihovk]

Joe,
Funny you say that...I just decided not to mess with the shifters. I don't
want the hassle of grinding off the tab on the shimano pods, and I don't
want to buy new Silver pods AND shifters when I have perfectly working
shifting as is for the sake of a slightly "blingy-er" cockpit.

Ben "leaving well enough alone" in Omaha

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 4:47 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> While we're being contrary, I'd keep the Shimano clickers. They work great
> and the front is already friction anyway. Some would choose differently! 😬
>
> Joe "click click click" Bernard
>
> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 2:41:02 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Most people would probably disagree with me but after using Parimotos,
>> Gravel King slicks and RH tires I don't think the RH are worth all of the
>> extra money.  They are the nicest of those three but not by enough to make
>> me spend the money for them. I don't regret spending the money and enjoy
>> the set I am riding but I don't think I would spend it again. For 650B I
>> don't think there is a better value than the Parimoto tires. People say
>> they flat really easily and maybe that is the case in some riding
>> conditions but I can't remember the last time I got a flat on one. I must
>> have decent road conditions as I really don't get flats on any tires. For
>> 700C I would go with the Gravel Kings. Just my opinion of course.
>>
>> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> Another thumbs up for the Gravel King 38 slicks.  Have a pair on my
>>> canti-Rom and they are really fast and comfy smooth at 35-40 psi,
>>> super-great tires.  I've not ridden any RH tires and they may be even
>>> better but these are so nice I have no desire to spend the money to find
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Dan in MSN
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 No worries at all!

 If anyone can find the tutorial on grinding down the tab on the Shimano
 bar end pod, I'm struggling to find it on Riv's website. I thought it was
 on one of the pages for the shifters themselves, but not seeing them there
 or on the Shimano Dura-Ace page.

 Ben

 On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:05 PM Paul Richardson 
 wrote:

> whoa, no, i totally lied.  i'm sorry.  i pulled up my old invoice and
> it looks like back in the day they sold a kit that included the shifters
> and the pods, which is what i used.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-11-05 at 7.01.23 PM.png]
>
> sorry to mislead you; shoulda kept my mouth shut!  guess my memory
> isn't as good as i thought!  and man where did i put those shimano 
> pods...?!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>
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[RBW] Re: 11 speed cassette for pre-2017 Homer?

[Garth]

Do you really want to use 11-speed stuff Jason, or are you letting the 105 
stuff you have dictate what you ride ? Your frame is 135mm spacing so an 
11sp capable cassette body will work. But I'm getting the impression you're 
letting the derailleurs you have yank your chain, so to speak. With the 
8-10sp stuff you have a lot more flexibility, and you won't have to replace 
the 350 freehub body, assuming it is the 8-10sp version. Derailleurs are 
easy to sell and buy. The obvious thing to me is simply get a replacement 
FD for the one that "broke" and be on your merry way. How does a FD break, 
by the way ? 


On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a technical question and can't find an answer, so I'm hoping that 
> some with experience may be able to help.
>
> I'll put the details below, in case anyone wants them, but my question is 
> this:  *Does anyone run an 11 speed cassette with a pre-2017 Homer?*  My 
> Homer is 2011.
>
> Details:
> The front derailleur on my new-to-me 2011 Homer broke the other day.  For 
> a number of reasons, I am considering putting the nearly Shimano 105 front 
> and rear derailleurs on the bike, which would require an 11 speed cassette, 
> which I also have.  The 11 speed drivetrain doesn't work on my 1980s bike 
> that I foolishly bought them for.  
>
> To put the cassette on the hub, I need to replace the free hub body on the 
> rear hub (DT Swiss 350).  Apparently it's easy to do, but the people at DT 
> Swiss don't know if the frame is compatible with an 11 speed cassette and 
> say the only way to know is by trying.  
>
> I'd prefer not to buy the part only to discover that it doesn't fit -- 
> that's how I wound up with the 105 parts in the first place.  Hoping that 
> someone here might have the set up.
>
> Thanks,
> jason
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me Sam! Advice/recommendations?

[Ben Mihovk]

The Gravelkings are more and more intriguing to me. One person on this
thread mentioned they are more like 35mm installed on older Super Champion
rims (which I'm guessing are much more narrow than the Atlas rims I have).

Has anyone put the 38cm Gravelking Slicks and measured how wide they are
installed?

Thanks,
Ben

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 4:41 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Most people would probably disagree with me but after using Parimotos,
> Gravel King slicks and RH tires I don't think the RH are worth all of the
> extra money.  They are the nicest of those three but not by enough to make
> me spend the money for them. I don't regret spending the money and enjoy
> the set I am riding but I don't think I would spend it again. For 650B I
> don't think there is a better value than the Parimoto tires. People say
> they flat really easily and maybe that is the case in some riding
> conditions but I can't remember the last time I got a flat on one. I must
> have decent road conditions as I really don't get flats on any tires. For
> 700C I would go with the Gravel Kings. Just my opinion of course.
>
> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Another thumbs up for the Gravel King 38 slicks.  Have a pair on my
>> canti-Rom and they are really fast and comfy smooth at 35-40 psi,
>> super-great tires.  I've not ridden any RH tires and they may be even
>> better but these are so nice I have no desire to spend the money to find
>> out.
>>
>> Dan in MSN
>>
>> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> No worries at all!
>>>
>>> If anyone can find the tutorial on grinding down the tab on the Shimano
>>> bar end pod, I'm struggling to find it on Riv's website. I thought it was
>>> on one of the pages for the shifters themselves, but not seeing them there
>>> or on the Shimano Dura-Ace page.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:05 PM Paul Richardson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 whoa, no, i totally lied.  i'm sorry.  i pulled up my old invoice and
 it looks like back in the day they sold a kit that included the shifters
 and the pods, which is what i used.

 [image: Screen Shot 2021-11-05 at 7.01.23 PM.png]

 sorry to mislead you; shoulda kept my mouth shut!  guess my memory
 isn't as good as i thought!  and man where did i put those shimano 
 pods...?!

 paul
 takoma park, md.

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[RBW] Re: 11 speed cassette for pre-2017 Homer?

[Joe Bernard]

Is that hub currently 130 spacing and they're going to widen and redish 
with a longer freehub and axle? Your Homer has 135 spacing so I don't see a 
problem here, an 11-speed cassette/hub/wheel should fit fine. 

Joe Bernard

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-7 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a technical question and can't find an answer, so I'm hoping that 
> some with experience may be able to help.
>
> I'll put the details below, in case anyone wants them, but my question is 
> this:  *Does anyone run an 11 speed cassette with a pre-2017 Homer?*  My 
> Homer is 2011.
>
> Details:
> The front derailleur on my new-to-me 2011 Homer broke the other day.  For 
> a number of reasons, I am considering putting the nearly Shimano 105 front 
> and rear derailleurs on the bike, which would require an 11 speed cassette, 
> which I also have.  The 11 speed drivetrain doesn't work on my 1980s bike 
> that I foolishly bought them for.  
>
> To put the cassette on the hub, I need to replace the free hub body on the 
> rear hub (DT Swiss 350).  Apparently it's easy to do, but the people at DT 
> Swiss don't know if the frame is compatible with an 11 speed cassette and 
> say the only way to know is by trying.  
>
> I'd prefer not to buy the part only to discover that it doesn't fit -- 
> that's how I wound up with the 105 parts in the first place.  Hoping that 
> someone here might have the set up.
>
> Thanks,
> jason
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me Sam! Advice/recommendations?

[Joe Bernard]

While we're being contrary, I'd keep the Shimano clickers. They work great 
and the front is already friction anyway. Some would choose differently! 😬

Joe "click click click" Bernard

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 2:41:02 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Most people would probably disagree with me but after using Parimotos, 
> Gravel King slicks and RH tires I don't think the RH are worth all of the 
> extra money.  They are the nicest of those three but not by enough to make 
> me spend the money for them. I don't regret spending the money and enjoy 
> the set I am riding but I don't think I would spend it again. For 650B I 
> don't think there is a better value than the Parimoto tires. People say 
> they flat really easily and maybe that is the case in some riding 
> conditions but I can't remember the last time I got a flat on one. I must 
> have decent road conditions as I really don't get flats on any tires. For 
> 700C I would go with the Gravel Kings. Just my opinion of course.
>
> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Another thumbs up for the Gravel King 38 slicks.  Have a pair on my 
>> canti-Rom and they are really fast and comfy smooth at 35-40 psi, 
>> super-great tires.  I've not ridden any RH tires and they may be even 
>> better but these are so nice I have no desire to spend the money to find 
>> out.
>>
>> Dan in MSN
>>
>> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> No worries at all! 
>>>
>>> If anyone can find the tutorial on grinding down the tab on the Shimano 
>>> bar end pod, I'm struggling to find it on Riv's website. I thought it was 
>>> on one of the pages for the shifters themselves, but not seeing them there 
>>> or on the Shimano Dura-Ace page. 
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:05 PM Paul Richardson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 whoa, no, i totally lied.  i'm sorry.  i pulled up my old invoice and 
 it looks like back in the day they sold a kit that included the shifters 
 and the pods, which is what i used.

 [image: Screen Shot 2021-11-05 at 7.01.23 PM.png]

 sorry to mislead you; shoulda kept my mouth shut!  guess my memory 
 isn't as good as i thought!  and man where did i put those shimano 
 pods...?!

 paul
 takoma park, md.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me Sam! Advice/recommendations?

[Johnny Alien]

Most people would probably disagree with me but after using Parimotos, 
Gravel King slicks and RH tires I don't think the RH are worth all of the 
extra money.  They are the nicest of those three but not by enough to make 
me spend the money for them. I don't regret spending the money and enjoy 
the set I am riding but I don't think I would spend it again. For 650B I 
don't think there is a better value than the Parimoto tires. People say 
they flat really easily and maybe that is the case in some riding 
conditions but I can't remember the last time I got a flat on one. I must 
have decent road conditions as I really don't get flats on any tires. For 
700C I would go with the Gravel Kings. Just my opinion of course.

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 4:18:19 PM UTC-4 Dan Sullivan wrote:

> Another thumbs up for the Gravel King 38 slicks.  Have a pair on my 
> canti-Rom and they are really fast and comfy smooth at 35-40 psi, 
> super-great tires.  I've not ridden any RH tires and they may be even 
> better but these are so nice I have no desire to spend the money to find 
> out.
>
> Dan in MSN
>
> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> No worries at all! 
>>
>> If anyone can find the tutorial on grinding down the tab on the Shimano 
>> bar end pod, I'm struggling to find it on Riv's website. I thought it was 
>> on one of the pages for the shifters themselves, but not seeing them there 
>> or on the Shimano Dura-Ace page. 
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:05 PM Paul Richardson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> whoa, no, i totally lied.  i'm sorry.  i pulled up my old invoice and it 
>>> looks like back in the day they sold a kit that included the shifters and 
>>> the pods, which is what i used.
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2021-11-05 at 7.01.23 PM.png]
>>>
>>> sorry to mislead you; shoulda kept my mouth shut!  guess my memory isn't 
>>> as good as i thought!  and man where did i put those shimano pods...?!
>>>
>>> paul
>>> takoma park, md.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Clem Smith H, MUSTARD

['Christopher Barbey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Three questions if you don't mind:

1. What size are the wheels on this?
2. Are you at all willing to sell just the frame?
3. How tall are you/what's your PBH & how do you feel about the fit?

Thank you!

On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 3:27:21 PM UTC-4 Igor wrote:

> Testing the waters. As you may or may not know, I have a lot of bikes and 
> go through a lot of bikes. As such, I need to clear out the garage. I don't 
> particularly want to sell but ...
>
> $2000+ shipping.
> Has it's share of beausauge but no dents. Reply off thread for more 
> information if you're seriously interested
>
> Rack and saddlebag not included.
> Front hub is a Shimano dynamo
>
> [image: IMG_9186.jpeg]
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[RBW] 11 speed cassette for pre-2017 Homer?

[Jason Glenn]

I have a technical question and can't find an answer, so I'm hoping that 
some with experience may be able to help.

I'll put the details below, in case anyone wants them, but my question is 
this:  *Does anyone run an 11 speed cassette with a pre-2017 Homer?*  My 
Homer is 2011.

Details:
The front derailleur on my new-to-me 2011 Homer broke the other day.  For a 
number of reasons, I am considering putting the nearly Shimano 105 front 
and rear derailleurs on the bike, which would require an 11 speed cassette, 
which I also have.  The 11 speed drivetrain doesn't work on my 1980s bike 
that I foolishly bought them for.  

To put the cassette on the hub, I need to replace the free hub body on the 
rear hub (DT Swiss 350).  Apparently it's easy to do, but the people at DT 
Swiss don't know if the frame is compatible with an 11 speed cassette and 
say the only way to know is by trying.  

I'd prefer not to buy the part only to discover that it doesn't fit -- 
that's how I wound up with the 105 parts in the first place.  Hoping that 
someone here might have the set up.

Thanks,
jason


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Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me Sam! Advice/recommendations?

[Dan Sullivan]

Another thumbs up for the Gravel King 38 slicks.  Have a pair on my 
canti-Rom and they are really fast and comfy smooth at 35-40 psi, 
super-great tires.  I've not ridden any RH tires and they may be even 
better but these are so nice I have no desire to spend the money to find 
out.

Dan in MSN

On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 7:00:27 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> No worries at all! 
>
> If anyone can find the tutorial on grinding down the tab on the Shimano 
> bar end pod, I'm struggling to find it on Riv's website. I thought it was 
> on one of the pages for the shifters themselves, but not seeing them there 
> or on the Shimano Dura-Ace page. 
>
> Ben
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 6:05 PM Paul Richardson  
> wrote:
>
>> whoa, no, i totally lied.  i'm sorry.  i pulled up my old invoice and it 
>> looks like back in the day they sold a kit that included the shifters and 
>> the pods, which is what i used.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2021-11-05 at 7.01.23 PM.png]
>>
>> sorry to mislead you; shoulda kept my mouth shut!  guess my memory isn't 
>> as good as i thought!  and man where did i put those shimano pods...?!
>>
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
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[RBW] WTS-Acorn medium rando bag

[Shamarick Paradise]

Like new condition used only once purchased about a year ago.
Price: $185 plus shipping

Pictures available upon request

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[RBW] WTB Hilltrek Coat Size Small

[Raul M]

Greetings,

Wondering if anyone has a Hilltrek they are willing to get rid of. My frame 
is a size small and don't much matter on the color. Please DM me if so.

Cheers.

Raul

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[RBW] Re: FS Clem and Clementine

[CarreyL]

Hi
Is the Clem Smith Jr available still?

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 7:08:29 AM UTC+8 El Sapo wrote:

> [image: clem1.jpg]
>
> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>
>> Clem is a medium in blue, and Clementine is a small in black. Both are 
>> from the first shipment of full build Clem Smith Jr bikes. They are both in 
>> "Like New" condition. The Clem has a brooks saddle and light weight Rene 
>> Herse tires. The Clementine is stock.  
>>
>> Giving the RBW Owners Bunch first shot.
>>
>> $2K each.
>>
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[RBW] Looking to buy 2020-21 BQ issues

[Nathan Barlow]

Hi there
I am looking to buy the following issues: 
Summer 2020, Fall 2020, Winter 2020, Spring 2021, Summer 2021

Anyone have these and willing to part with them?

Shipping to 01746

Thanks!

Best
Nathan

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[RBW] WTB : Clem Smith Jr / Sam Hillborne

[CarreyL]

hello! im looking for clem smith 52cm or sam hillborne 54cm. please update 
me if you have any. :)

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Re: [RBW] 8-speed, 12-34 cassette

[Greg Murphy]

IRD has a 12-34 but pricing is like $80. I try to just stick with Shimano
or SRAM when I can.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 3:27 PM Garth  wrote:

> Sunarace is the only mfr. of the 12-34 8-sp using 12/14/16/18/21/24/28/34
> cogs. Microshift has a 12-32 but uses a very wonky 12/13/15/18/21/24/28/32.
> A 15 to 18 jump is too much for my riding preference with 24/36/44 rings.
> It's like a gear and a half jump where you don't want one.
>
> What I like about Sunrace CSM double-digit mtb cassettes is that they're
> held together by a removable torx pin, so if need be I can by another
> non-exact cassette with the cogs I ride most, the 14/16/18/21/24 and use
> the previous 28 and 32, or if it the other had a 34 I'd be okay with that.
>
> This gear calculator is very easy to use and customize even if a specific
> cassette isn't listed. Use you mouse and arrange things as you like.
>
> http://www.gear-calculator.com/
>
> Basically though, cog selection in mfr. cassettes sucks ! I have no use
> for 11, 12 or even 13 for that matter. I currently have a Sunrace 12-36
> 9-sp that I don't use either the 12 or 36 cogs, so I basically use it as a
> narrow spaced 7-speed. The 36 is my "spoke guard" !  I could just as easily
> get by with 15/17/20/24/28/32 cogs if anyone offered it. Six cog SS/trials
> cassette hubs are made by Hadley, Hope and Onyx. If I had it my way
> everyone would choose their cassette cogs that had a mind to, the weight
> weenies need not apply because they'll put up with anything as long as the
> digits read like tea leaves.
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 10:39:12 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I've been buying the 11-32 Shimano and SRAM.  I think the gearing is
>> slightly better on the SRAM.  I like an 11.  32 seems to be sufficient.
>>  Look at the gearing calculators on Sheldon Brown.com
>>
>> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 10:03:40 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> There is a 13-34 7 speed cassette from IRD, I have had it on my touring
>>> bike for the last year.  Steve
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 9:31 AM J Schwartz  wrote:
>>>
 Greetings,
 Anyone know if there's an available 12-34, 8-speed cassette out there
 besides the Sunrace?
 Not that I'm opposed to Sunrace.  Just curious if there are other
 options.  Looks like Shimano/Sram don't have that in their current lineup.
 thank you
 JS

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Re: [RBW] Feeler: Trade 58cm(ct) Riv All Rounder(or 61cm Toyo Atlantis) for 58cm Toyo Atlantis

[Jacob Ireland]

Hey! I also have an orange all rounder. Care to share photos with me? 

> On Oct 30, 2021, at 10:13, Matt Beecher  wrote:
> 
> I've been looking to buy a 58cm Toyo Atlantis for a little while and I am 
> debating the idea of trading what I assume to be a 58 orange All-Rounder for 
> it.  The 58cm measurement came from the center of the bb to the tip of the 
> lug.  It seems to be about 56 center to center on the seat tube. 
> 
> Paint is in great shape, but one of the rear fender/rack eyelets has been 
> snapped off.  :(
> 
> The 61cm Atlantis is also in pretty good condition, but the paint is not 
> quite as nice, but this one wasn't neutered. 
> 
> I am not interested in selling either one.  They are only being sacrificed 
> for something I want more at the moment.  
> 
> (If someone likes titanium, I also have a similar sized Litespeed Appalachian 
> or Airborne Carpe Diem bike I would trade for a frameset.)
> 
> Best regards,
> Matt B 
> Oswego, IL
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[RBW] WTB: 58 Toyo or USA Atlantis + Orange Quickbeam

[dylan green]

So I'm after a 58 toyo built Atlantis. Open to the USA model - just not 
into the newer version With the longer chain stays. Frame or complete. 

Also/or always looking for an Orange Quickbeam (I think in these I ride a 
56?) or a 54 Hunq in green without the cream seat tube panel. 

Specific as ever...

Thanks,
Dylan Green 
Los Angeles for the time being

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[RBW] Looking to buy BQ issues (Summer 2020, Fall 2020, Winter 2020, Spring 2021, Summer 2021)

[Nathan Barlow]

Hi there

Anyone have these and willing to part with them?

Shipping to 01746

Thanks!

Best
Nathan 

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[RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Mr. Ray]

Wheel building is an art and finding a competent wheel builder is just as 
important as selecting parts.  Rims come in 2 flavors; welded and pinned.  
The former is stronger.  32 vs 36 spokes is a difference of grams and 
shouldn't be an issue unless you are racing.  Using brass nipples vs alloy 
is sensible practice unless you are racing.  Hub flange diameter 
contributes to a wheels strength; the larger the flange the shorter the 
spoke.  For example, a Rohloff hub has a much larger flange diameter than a 
regular hub.  Therefore a 32 spoke wheel for this hub is far stronger than 
a standard 36 spoke wheel using identical parts.  At 210 pounds, I would 
err on the safe and slightly heavier side by using 36 double butted spokes 
(from reputable brands like DT Swiss, Wheelsmith or Sapim and brass nipples 
with loctite) and an alloy rim which is welded vs pinned.  If you only have 
pinned rims then 36 spoke in that configuration is also fine.  In ALL 
cases, the correct wheel builder can build wheels that don't need to be 
trued under normal riding.  My disc wheels were built over a decade ago and 
have over 30,000 miles of loaded RTW touring and are still true to this day.
On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 8:39:44 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
> Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
> pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
> all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would 
> be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 
>
> OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 
>
> Thanks,
> Ben in Omaha
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Re: [RBW] Susie & Gus take a 40 day Vacation

[Oli Cowling]

This might be my fav riv video ever made 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Oct 2021, at 16:32, Joseph  wrote:
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[RBW] Bars For Sam

[Richard Borneman]

I have a 62cm Sam frame that I built up with Drop bars (Noodles) and it 
just felt too big for me. I Was going to sell it but I'm thinking maybe I 
should try some more upright bars before I let it go.
 I am 6'-02" with a 93cm PBH. I have a 64 cm MIT Atlantis and a 64cm Rambo 
that are very comfortable for me with 10cm stem and Noodle bars.
 The effective TT length is 61.5 on the Sam frame opposed to 59-60 on the 
other two frames. Thinking I'd like to try Bosco or Choco bars and a 
shorter stem.
 I have always used drop bars. Have a set of Moustache bars that I tried 
and couldn't get comfortable with. I would like to have a flat section 
close to the stem so the 2 bars I mentioned look like they are the ones to 
try.
Anyone else gone through this when trying to get comfortable on the newer 
sloped top tube Riv frames?
 Anybody have some wide Choco or Bosco bars they want to sell or trade?
I have a like new Moustache and some Noodle bars to swap.

Richard Borneman

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[RBW] Re: The scariest Rivendell - Halloween Special - Pumpkin QuickBeam and Carbon

[Michael Baquerizo]

I've wanted to make a post about Rivendell's not set up at all like 
Rivendell's, because they usually look pretty awesome. 

This bike delivers. 

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 1:16:56 PM UTC-4 robkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like it. Are those hubs from a Vanilla/Speedvagen? Looks sort of like 
> their paintwork.
>
> RK
>
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 8:59:20 AM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> Is that a garmin mount at the rear?  Is it for their radar/rear light?  
>> Where did you get it...or did you fabricate it?  
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt Beecher
>> Oswego, IL
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 7:50:37 AM UTC-5 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Don't let Grant and the Riv gang see this, okay?.. 
>>>
>>> - Max "Well, don't say I didn't warn ya in the subject line..." in A2 
>>>
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - threequarter.jpg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve Endless Bike DT Swiss White Ind drivetrain.jpeg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon wheels - chainline.jpg]
>>> [image: QuickBeam - carbon Ti - seat cluster.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: LF Single Speed Frame

[Bill Lindsay]

Here's a small flickr album from when I did the build a couple months back:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719573693918

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 10:10:28 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> Oh and Bill I'd love to see your Florida Man!
>
> Bones
>
> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 12:38:13 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> But then I'll need to find a new Pizza bike! Wait, does this mean I have 
>> too many bikes!?
>>
>> [image: fm03.jpg]
>>
>> Bones
>> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 11:43:00 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> It appears there are still large size Crust Florida Man framesets in 
>>> stock.  I run one of those as my 'commuter' in flattish Wayne County 
>>> Michigan, where I travel for work several times a year.  Last month I did a 
>>> fixed 200k on it with Detroit Randonneurs.  I love the bike.  I run the 
>>> Large-58 with my 75.5cm SH.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 8:21:32 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>>>
 The Wabi I've been commuting on is perfect in spirit but it's just too 
 small. If anyone has a frame for sale (i.e. 62-64 Quickbeam, Simpleone ~ 
 whatever for 80cm saddle height), I'd be interested. Similarly, if anyone 
 can point to something else that might fit the bill, I'd appreciate it. 
 The 
 forthcoming Roaduno looks like it would be perfect, but I'm not sure I can 
 hold out that long. I've got lots of single speed stuff and my commute is 
 short and flat so I'd really like to stick with a SS frame.

 Thanks!
 Bones

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Philly Bike Expo 2021

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I can hardly wait to hear the stories and see the photos. I’m so envious! 
Maybe next year I’ll go since it will only be a 10 hour drive.
Leah

On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 6:33:37 AM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:

> Thanks Pam, should be good time.
>
> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:18:54 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'll look for you.  Can't wait to meet you and see your bike.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 1:49:28 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Saturday's weather forecast is sunny and mid-50's, should be great 
>>> riding weather to/from the Expo!
>>>
>>> BTW, I'm planning to wear my light blue peace wheel shirt and will have 
>>> my shop sack slung over my shoulder.
>>>
>>> Hope to meet up with the ROB members when I'm there,
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 5:55:46 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Filled with envy.  Enjoy!

 On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 2:44:33 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:

> 2 more things to note:
> Ride your bike to the Expo and stop by the Cycling Savvy Booth and 
> show (or buy) a Bike Benefits sticker and get a raffle ticket to win some 
> fun prizes.  I'm bringing small things I carry on my bike like a John's 
> Irish strap as a prize for example.
>
> Sat night I've invited the Riv folks to dinner.  Everyone is welcome 
> to join.  We'll need to plan a time and place.  Let me know if you're 
> coming and if you have food restrictions, preferences.  If folks are on 
> foot, let us know so we can stay close by.  I don't have a phone but if 
> I'm 
> in wifi I can get messages (980 288 4801 <(980)%20288-4801>) and 
> email.  If someone would like to take charge on this, please do.
>
> Sun - I'll be presenting at 1:30.  Please come see me and my Betty.
>
> I hope to see y'all there.
>
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm presenting and leading a ride in Philly.  Please all come and 
>> bring your Rivs.  I'm bringing my Betty on the train.  The ride is Sat 
>> at 
>> 7:30 near Girard/Kelly.
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/unracer-roll-to-pbe21/
>> The presentation is Sun at 1:30.  
>> I hope to see lots of Rivs in Philly.
>> Here's the link to the whole weekend.  https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] LF Single Speed Frame

[Jingy]

Max S, I'd be interested in your SimpleOne if Bones passes on it.
Jim In Mpls

On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 10:25:39 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> Eric, thanks for the offer. Those look nice but not exactly what I'm 
> looking for.
>
> Mackenzy, awesome bike! Looks like a lot of fun, thanks for sharing.
>
> Erik, good point about the Kilo WT. I actually have a few TT's in my attic 
> collecting dust. Fun bikes but they've fallen out of favor for me lately.
>
> Max, I'll drop you a line. A Simpleone is more along the lines of what I'm 
> looking for.
>
> Bones
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 9:55:58 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Eric, that's very useful and very surprising, to me at any rate; 
>> $500?? Even for a stout frame with toothpaste welding beads. Their frames 
>> won't be any stouter than the Monocog or the Fargo steel or Krampus I've 
>> looked at, and since the whole point of the frame is to get something that 
>> can exploit the full 3" fatness of the Rangers at 12 or 13 psi, I expect 
>> that ride will suffer very little compared to thinner steel.
>>
>> I'd be interested to hear of others who have dealt with Marino.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 7:46 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Marino is a legit builder. Based on my n=1 experience, expect to pay 
>>> about $4-500 and wait 5-6 months to get it. 
>>>
>>> But expect a more workmanlike burly frame, not a Jan Heine refined thin 
>>> wall cruiser. They hit my geo right on, but even with relatively skinny 
>>> tubing (for an mtb) my frame has kind of a heavy ride with a somewhat harsh 
>>> rear end. Not a lot of compliance here. But at $400ish, I can’t complain. 
>>>
>>> Eric 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 5, 2021, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM Mackenzy Albright  
 wrote:

> if you have a bit of patience and feel like being creative you could 
> just get a custom made - 
> https://www.marinobike.com/product/custom-gravel-fixed-cyclocross-frame/


 MacKenzy: Are you familiar with Marino? Are they legit, and is the 
 website and price list up to date? I ask because this jumped out at me:

 *Description: A full custom geometry TIG welded frame starts at 
  US$280. Building time frame: 14 weeks*

 Is that a typo, and should it be $2800? Or are these prices from 2005? 
 I'd immediately guess "yes" except, look at the prices he quotes for 
 *worldwide* frame shipping! $110 for 1, $150 for 2. 

 Can you say? Anyone else?

 He seems to offer frames for 700C X 3" wheels, and that's what I'm 
 hoping to get in replacement for the Monocog so I can use the true 3" 
 width 
 of the WTB Rangers (currently at about 71 mm on the skinny 24 mm ED Alex 
 rims).

 Thanks.

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