Re: [RBW] Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Joe Bernard]

Well! Do you know how annoying it is to put that much detective work into a 
bike part and totally not think of the right answer? Pretty annoying! 

Good call on the knowing stuff, Tim 👊

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 10:23:32 PM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> That's as far down as the seatpost will go. The portion above and just 
> below the little bolt is 27.2 then tapers to 26.8, probably making it 
> easier to produce different seatpost sizes.
>
> I found this out the hard way. Thought it was hitting a butted section so 
> I chopped it only to find it did not go down any lower. Then I got out the 
> calipers. Whoops.
>
> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 12:01:37 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> One more theory: The saddle is way back now so the post is lower relative 
>> to where you had the old one set. According to this theory both posts would 
>> stop at the butted section if you tried to slam them. Or I'm overthinking 
>> this! 🤪
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 9:38:33 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> First, it's so the way of things that it was perfect on the first ride 
>>> then all went to heck on the second. Oy!
>>>
>>> But to the matters at hand. My first assumption was the post is really 
>>> long and it's clanging into the lip of the toptube as it crosses into the 
>>> seattube. But this post is 250mm, same as the one you pulled. Unless you 
>>> somehow got a longer one? My next guess is it's a smidge bigger in diameter 
>>> than the last one and it's stopping at a butted portion of the seattube 
>>> where it's thicker in there. In either case it wouldn't hurt anything, but 
>>> I'd pull the post for an inspection anyway. Maybe there's a burr on the 
>>> bottom that needs to be sanded down. 
>>>
>>> That little bolt is weird. The Riv page says it's an aluminum head/clamp 
>>> in a steel post, maybe the head/clamp is removable. 
>>>
>>> Joe "has more questions than answers" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:09:28 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Today was interesting. I found that the saddle was slipping around in 
 the clamp while on my ride. The setback had changed to 40! I figure this 
 occurred because I had the saddle slid all the way back on the rails; I 
 repositioned it further forward and everything seems ok now. But, this 
 messed up my measurements and I spent the rest of the ride second-guessing 
 where I had set the setback number (all over between 39-45). There’s no 
 telling if I love or hate the current adjustment! I’ve sworn to leave it 
 alone for a bit.

 BUT…I have two questions.

 1. I have the post slammed into the frame. I can’t get it any lower 
 because it’s making contact with something in there. I can ride in the way 
 it is, but what is the post hitting in there? Am I wrecking stuff? Should 
 I 
 have the post cut at a bike shop?

 2. What is this tiny screw for?


 Thanks! I owe you all so much.
 Leah

 On Nov 21, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Roberta  wrote:

 Garth, 


 You pegged it for me—a 12 or 13 cm stem would have worked if they made 
 it, or sticking with a less pulled back bar like the Albatross. Love the 
 Billies more to hold all my handlebars “stuff.”  I wanted to start with 
 what I had purchased  for the bike before starting to buy other fixes.  

 Btw, because of my neck issues, all my stems are near max level. 
 Viola—no more neck pain!   I’m so happy I don’t cry anymore when riding. 
  I’m glad I found Rivendell. 

 I look forward to seeing your custom. 

 Roberta

 On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Does anyone even know what the seat tube angle is on the Platypus ?  
> Likely not as the frame geometry was never included in the table. It's 
> either 72 or 71.5.  All 'n all in my opinion Grant/Will could do a better 
> job of educating buyers on fitting their bikes rather than saying "just 
> trust us".  That rather irks me actually as it's the same-ol-same-ol bike 
> shop mentality that's been around since I can remember. "We know better 
> than the customer." No, they don't, as if they did they'd take the time 
> to 
> share in the process of fitting the bike to the customers sensibilities, 
> not the bike shops as their take is inherently of their own self 
> interests. 
> Buying a bike virtually makes it challenging for everyone of course. I 
> take 
> it upon myself to check a frame before I buy it to see what all specs 
> are, 
> if the seat angle is 72 or less, if it has enough f-c, stack and reach 
> and 
> all that jazz. Learn what it all means and how that will translate to 
> actually fitting into the frame. Besides the Bombadil, the only other 
> frame 
> I considered suitable from them was a Susie, which I bought but a

Re: [RBW] Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Tim Baldwin]

That's as far down as the seatpost will go. The portion above and just 
below the little bolt is 27.2 then tapers to 26.8, probably making it 
easier to produce different seatpost sizes.

I found this out the hard way. Thought it was hitting a butted section so I 
chopped it only to find it did not go down any lower. Then I got out the 
calipers. Whoops.

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 12:01:37 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> One more theory: The saddle is way back now so the post is lower relative 
> to where you had the old one set. According to this theory both posts would 
> stop at the butted section if you tried to slam them. Or I'm overthinking 
> this! 🤪
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 9:38:33 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> First, it's so the way of things that it was perfect on the first ride 
>> then all went to heck on the second. Oy!
>>
>> But to the matters at hand. My first assumption was the post is really 
>> long and it's clanging into the lip of the toptube as it crosses into the 
>> seattube. But this post is 250mm, same as the one you pulled. Unless you 
>> somehow got a longer one? My next guess is it's a smidge bigger in diameter 
>> than the last one and it's stopping at a butted portion of the seattube 
>> where it's thicker in there. In either case it wouldn't hurt anything, but 
>> I'd pull the post for an inspection anyway. Maybe there's a burr on the 
>> bottom that needs to be sanded down. 
>>
>> That little bolt is weird. The Riv page says it's an aluminum head/clamp 
>> in a steel post, maybe the head/clamp is removable. 
>>
>> Joe "has more questions than answers" Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:09:28 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Today was interesting. I found that the saddle was slipping around in 
>>> the clamp while on my ride. The setback had changed to 40! I figure this 
>>> occurred because I had the saddle slid all the way back on the rails; I 
>>> repositioned it further forward and everything seems ok now. But, this 
>>> messed up my measurements and I spent the rest of the ride second-guessing 
>>> where I had set the setback number (all over between 39-45). There’s no 
>>> telling if I love or hate the current adjustment! I’ve sworn to leave it 
>>> alone for a bit.
>>>
>>> BUT…I have two questions.
>>>
>>> 1. I have the post slammed into the frame. I can’t get it any lower 
>>> because it’s making contact with something in there. I can ride in the way 
>>> it is, but what is the post hitting in there? Am I wrecking stuff? Should I 
>>> have the post cut at a bike shop?
>>>
>>> 2. What is this tiny screw for?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks! I owe you all so much.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Nov 21, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>> Garth, 
>>>
>>>
>>> You pegged it for me—a 12 or 13 cm stem would have worked if they made 
>>> it, or sticking with a less pulled back bar like the Albatross. Love the 
>>> Billies more to hold all my handlebars “stuff.”  I wanted to start with 
>>> what I had purchased  for the bike before starting to buy other fixes.  
>>>
>>> Btw, because of my neck issues, all my stems are near max level. 
>>> Viola—no more neck pain!   I’m so happy I don’t cry anymore when riding. 
>>>  I’m glad I found Rivendell. 
>>>
>>> I look forward to seeing your custom. 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone even know what the seat tube angle is on the Platypus ?  
 Likely not as the frame geometry was never included in the table. It's 
 either 72 or 71.5.  All 'n all in my opinion Grant/Will could do a better 
 job of educating buyers on fitting their bikes rather than saying "just 
 trust us".  That rather irks me actually as it's the same-ol-same-ol bike 
 shop mentality that's been around since I can remember. "We know better 
 than the customer." No, they don't, as if they did they'd take the time to 
 share in the process of fitting the bike to the customers sensibilities, 
 not the bike shops as their take is inherently of their own self 
 interests. 
 Buying a bike virtually makes it challenging for everyone of course. I 
 take 
 it upon myself to check a frame before I buy it to see what all specs are, 
 if the seat angle is 72 or less, if it has enough f-c, stack and reach and 
 all that jazz. Learn what it all means and how that will translate to 
 actually fitting into the frame. Besides the Bombadil, the only other 
 frame 
 I considered suitable from them was a Susie, which I bought but as of yet 
 I 
 don't feel any enthusiasm to build. 

 With a Platypus and a swept back bar I suspect Leah and Roberta could 
 use a longer stem, assuming the saddle is now in the "sweet spot" of what 
 feels right and what feels right is intuitive, a centering balance of 
 being 
 "in the bike" and being able to pedal efficiently. No one can tell you 
 

Re: [RBW] Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Joe Bernard]

One more theory: The saddle is way back now so the post is lower relative 
to where you had the old one set. According to this theory both posts would 
stop at the butted section if you tried to slam them. Or I'm overthinking 
this! 🤪



On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 9:38:33 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> First, it's so the way of things that it was perfect on the first ride 
> then all went to heck on the second. Oy!
>
> But to the matters at hand. My first assumption was the post is really 
> long and it's clanging into the lip of the toptube as it crosses into the 
> seattube. But this post is 250mm, same as the one you pulled. Unless you 
> somehow got a longer one? My next guess is it's a smidge bigger in diameter 
> than the last one and it's stopping at a butted portion of the seattube 
> where it's thicker in there. In either case it wouldn't hurt anything, but 
> I'd pull the post for an inspection anyway. Maybe there's a burr on the 
> bottom that needs to be sanded down. 
>
> That little bolt is weird. The Riv page says it's an aluminum head/clamp 
> in a steel post, maybe the head/clamp is removable. 
>
> Joe "has more questions than answers" Bernard
>
> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:09:28 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Today was interesting. I found that the saddle was slipping around in the 
>> clamp while on my ride. The setback had changed to 40! I figure this 
>> occurred because I had the saddle slid all the way back on the rails; I 
>> repositioned it further forward and everything seems ok now. But, this 
>> messed up my measurements and I spent the rest of the ride second-guessing 
>> where I had set the setback number (all over between 39-45). There’s no 
>> telling if I love or hate the current adjustment! I’ve sworn to leave it 
>> alone for a bit.
>>
>> BUT…I have two questions.
>>
>> 1. I have the post slammed into the frame. I can’t get it any lower 
>> because it’s making contact with something in there. I can ride in the way 
>> it is, but what is the post hitting in there? Am I wrecking stuff? Should I 
>> have the post cut at a bike shop?
>>
>> 2. What is this tiny screw for?
>>
>>
>> Thanks! I owe you all so much.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> Garth, 
>>
>>
>> You pegged it for me—a 12 or 13 cm stem would have worked if they made 
>> it, or sticking with a less pulled back bar like the Albatross. Love the 
>> Billies more to hold all my handlebars “stuff.”  I wanted to start with 
>> what I had purchased  for the bike before starting to buy other fixes.  
>>
>> Btw, because of my neck issues, all my stems are near max level. Viola—no 
>> more neck pain!   I’m so happy I don’t cry anymore when riding.  I’m glad I 
>> found Rivendell. 
>>
>> I look forward to seeing your custom. 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone even know what the seat tube angle is on the Platypus ?  
>>> Likely not as the frame geometry was never included in the table. It's 
>>> either 72 or 71.5.  All 'n all in my opinion Grant/Will could do a better 
>>> job of educating buyers on fitting their bikes rather than saying "just 
>>> trust us".  That rather irks me actually as it's the same-ol-same-ol bike 
>>> shop mentality that's been around since I can remember. "We know better 
>>> than the customer." No, they don't, as if they did they'd take the time to 
>>> share in the process of fitting the bike to the customers sensibilities, 
>>> not the bike shops as their take is inherently of their own self interests. 
>>> Buying a bike virtually makes it challenging for everyone of course. I take 
>>> it upon myself to check a frame before I buy it to see what all specs are, 
>>> if the seat angle is 72 or less, if it has enough f-c, stack and reach and 
>>> all that jazz. Learn what it all means and how that will translate to 
>>> actually fitting into the frame. Besides the Bombadil, the only other frame 
>>> I considered suitable from them was a Susie, which I bought but as of yet I 
>>> don't feel any enthusiasm to build. 
>>>
>>> With a Platypus and a swept back bar I suspect Leah and Roberta could 
>>> use a longer stem, assuming the saddle is now in the "sweet spot" of what 
>>> feels right and what feels right is intuitive, a centering balance of being 
>>> "in the bike" and being able to pedal efficiently. No one can tell you what 
>>> that point is  it's like an *ah-hah ! * moment when you understand 
>>> something within. It's the Intelligence that is "you", it's irrevocable.  
>>> Once you feel that sweet spot then the reach to the bar is likewise 
>>> intuitive. Feeling cramped in a frame really is a joy sucker isn't it ? !  
>>>  It's like wearing pants or a jacket that are too tight in some way that 
>>> you feel restricted, and nobody likes that feeling. I like stretched out 
>>> relax-forward too, I'm not riding a galloping horse straight upright with 
>>> the reig

Re: [RBW] Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Joe Bernard]

First, it's so the way of things that it was perfect on the first ride then 
all went to heck on the second. Oy!

But to the matters at hand. My first assumption was the post is really long 
and it's clanging into the lip of the toptube as it crosses into the 
seattube. But this post is 250mm, same as the one you pulled. Unless you 
somehow got a longer one? My next guess is it's a smidge bigger in diameter 
than the last one and it's stopping at a butted portion of the seattube 
where it's thicker in there. In either case it wouldn't hurt anything, but 
I'd pull the post for an inspection anyway. Maybe there's a burr on the 
bottom that needs to be sanded down. 

That little bolt is weird. The Riv page says it's an aluminum head/clamp in 
a steel post, maybe the head/clamp is removable. 

Joe "has more questions than answers" Bernard

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:09:28 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Today was interesting. I found that the saddle was slipping around in the 
> clamp while on my ride. The setback had changed to 40! I figure this 
> occurred because I had the saddle slid all the way back on the rails; I 
> repositioned it further forward and everything seems ok now. But, this 
> messed up my measurements and I spent the rest of the ride second-guessing 
> where I had set the setback number (all over between 39-45). There’s no 
> telling if I love or hate the current adjustment! I’ve sworn to leave it 
> alone for a bit.
>
> BUT…I have two questions.
>
> 1. I have the post slammed into the frame. I can’t get it any lower 
> because it’s making contact with something in there. I can ride in the way 
> it is, but what is the post hitting in there? Am I wrecking stuff? Should I 
> have the post cut at a bike shop?
>
> 2. What is this tiny screw for?
>
>
> Thanks! I owe you all so much.
> Leah
>
> On Nov 21, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> Garth, 
>
>
> You pegged it for me—a 12 or 13 cm stem would have worked if they made it, 
> or sticking with a less pulled back bar like the Albatross. Love the 
> Billies more to hold all my handlebars “stuff.”  I wanted to start with 
> what I had purchased  for the bike before starting to buy other fixes.  
>
> Btw, because of my neck issues, all my stems are near max level. Viola—no 
> more neck pain!   I’m so happy I don’t cry anymore when riding.  I’m glad I 
> found Rivendell. 
>
> I look forward to seeing your custom. 
>
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Does anyone even know what the seat tube angle is on the Platypus ?  
>> Likely not as the frame geometry was never included in the table. It's 
>> either 72 or 71.5.  All 'n all in my opinion Grant/Will could do a better 
>> job of educating buyers on fitting their bikes rather than saying "just 
>> trust us".  That rather irks me actually as it's the same-ol-same-ol bike 
>> shop mentality that's been around since I can remember. "We know better 
>> than the customer." No, they don't, as if they did they'd take the time to 
>> share in the process of fitting the bike to the customers sensibilities, 
>> not the bike shops as their take is inherently of their own self interests. 
>> Buying a bike virtually makes it challenging for everyone of course. I take 
>> it upon myself to check a frame before I buy it to see what all specs are, 
>> if the seat angle is 72 or less, if it has enough f-c, stack and reach and 
>> all that jazz. Learn what it all means and how that will translate to 
>> actually fitting into the frame. Besides the Bombadil, the only other frame 
>> I considered suitable from them was a Susie, which I bought but as of yet I 
>> don't feel any enthusiasm to build. 
>>
>> With a Platypus and a swept back bar I suspect Leah and Roberta could use 
>> a longer stem, assuming the saddle is now in the "sweet spot" of what feels 
>> right and what feels right is intuitive, a centering balance of being "in 
>> the bike" and being able to pedal efficiently. No one can tell you what 
>> that point is  it's like an *ah-hah ! * moment when you understand 
>> something within. It's the Intelligence that is "you", it's irrevocable.  
>> Once you feel that sweet spot then the reach to the bar is likewise 
>> intuitive. Feeling cramped in a frame really is a joy sucker isn't it ? !  
>>  It's like wearing pants or a jacket that are too tight in some way that 
>> you feel restricted, and nobody likes that feeling. I like stretched out 
>> relax-forward too, I'm not riding a galloping horse straight upright with 
>> the reigns on my thighs, you know ?  That's why I ride a bike, whose wheels 
>> are fixed and not galloping,  unlike a horse !  Speaking of which I passed 
>> by a pair on the road yesterday, a "country" road of course. Around here 
>> you'll see that, and yes, the horses had riders. I know what you were 
>> thinking , riderless horses running wild on the road !  They kept up with 
>> me for awhile, I could hear their

[RBW] WTB: Paul Racer Silver

[Drurad (Sacramento)]

Gonna do my best to pick up a Homer this Tuesday.  Anyone have a set of 
Paul Racers in Silver they are willing to part with.  If so, let me know.

Many Thanks,

andrew

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[RBW] WTB 46 or 48 Noodles

[Berkeleyan]

I'm looking for a pair of good or better condition Noodles, widest sizes. 
Not really looking for a cockpit,  just bars. If you must include other 
bits, talk to me, it might work. Prefer local to East Bay for in-person 
pickup, but open to shipping.

I've given the Albastach bars a good test on my new frame, and they're 
definite improvement over M-bars but I really miss the interrupter levers 
on my other Noodle-equipped bike, and I also want a lower position for fast 
descents. 

Yes, the Albas are going to be available.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[maxcr]

I recently found this video, from Grant's visit to Rivelo in 2019, he's 
talking about the Hillibikes. It's long and a bit slow but it touches on a 
lot of interesting facts that I didn't know: 

Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diTTqXluBEw

Max
On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 10:07:22 AM UTC-5 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Eric
> I grew up in Galion..near Mansfield
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 7:58 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> Jon, I’m in Plain City, just NW of Columbus. 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
> Eric
>>> Where in Ohio are you?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 3:47 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
>> Leah, you picked a lovely time of the year to move to Michigan! Bundle up!

 Eric
 in Ohio, but who ends up in MI all to frequently

 On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:34 PM Leah Peterson  
 wrote:

>>> I know…big missed opportunity on my part - I absolutely should have 
> weighed those bikes but I was like a kid at Christmas and got caught up 
> in 
> the shiny new bike excitement. Totally forgot about weighing the thing. 
>
> Someone mentioned (was it this thread?) about knowing how a bike feels 
> weight-wise, and that’s true. I can tell the difference between adding 
> and 
> empty Saddlesack or not. I can probably tell the new seat post I put on 
> my 
> Platy is heavier if I go lift that bike right now.
>
> I’m moving to Michigan in 3 weeks. Here’s hoping I make some Rivendell 
> friends in my new state who will keep me accountable for this stuff! 🤣
>
> Sorry!
> L
>
> On Nov 19, 2021, at 9:34 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
>
> While we’re going "arg!"...
> A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be 
> answered just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS.
>
> I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her 
> build, but I guess that’s OBE.
> How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their 
> Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back?
>
> Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems to 
> be a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights.
> We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or 
> hanging them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number.
>
> I’ll start.  Here’s mine:
> 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell:
> Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c 
> wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550 
> levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips.
> Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a 
> bell.
> 29 pounds, 3 oz
>
> Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical riding 
> weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds.
>
> A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590 
> crank and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz.  Smaller bike, 
> thinner tubing, lighter crank.
>
> It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point.  Next 
> time at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike.
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[RBW] Re: Need inspiration: Show me your wrapped handlebars, please?

[maxcr]

Hi All,

I just found this old video on wrapping harlequin handlebars, I searched 
and it was posted once before in 2013, but I think it's still relevant and 
it features a hunqa!

Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le43Tm6neVo

Max currently wrapping his Atlantis which is going back to noodle dropbars

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 3:08:31 PM UTC-4 Mike Blackwell wrote:

> Wow, those multiple-roll tape jobs look super nice, definitely keeping it 
> in mind for the future!
>
> For simpler single roll applications BTP (Bar Tape Products, a Taiwanese 
> company) has a lot of nice patterns in various materials and thickness. 
> This one turned out well on my gravel bike:
> [image: IMG_3791.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Roberta]

Garth, 

You pegged it for me—a 12 or 13 cm stem would have worked if they made it, 
or sticking with a less pulled back bar like the Albatross. Love the 
Billies more to hold all my handlebars “stuff.”  I wanted to start with 
what I had purchased  for the bike before starting to buy other fixes.  

Btw, because of my neck issues, all my stems are near max level. Viola—no 
more neck pain!   I’m so happy I don’t cry anymore when riding.  I’m glad I 
found Rivendell. 

I look forward to seeing your custom. 

Roberta

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Does anyone even know what the seat tube angle is on the Platypus ?  
> Likely not as the frame geometry was never included in the table. It's 
> either 72 or 71.5.  All 'n all in my opinion Grant/Will could do a better 
> job of educating buyers on fitting their bikes rather than saying "just 
> trust us".  That rather irks me actually as it's the same-ol-same-ol bike 
> shop mentality that's been around since I can remember. "We know better 
> than the customer." No, they don't, as if they did they'd take the time to 
> share in the process of fitting the bike to the customers sensibilities, 
> not the bike shops as their take is inherently of their own self interests. 
> Buying a bike virtually makes it challenging for everyone of course. I take 
> it upon myself to check a frame before I buy it to see what all specs are, 
> if the seat angle is 72 or less, if it has enough f-c, stack and reach and 
> all that jazz. Learn what it all means and how that will translate to 
> actually fitting into the frame. Besides the Bombadil, the only other frame 
> I considered suitable from them was a Susie, which I bought but as of yet I 
> don't feel any enthusiasm to build. 
>
> With a Platypus and a swept back bar I suspect Leah and Roberta could use 
> a longer stem, assuming the saddle is now in the "sweet spot" of what feels 
> right and what feels right is intuitive, a centering balance of being "in 
> the bike" and being able to pedal efficiently. No one can tell you what 
> that point is  it's like an *ah-hah ! * moment when you understand 
> something within. It's the Intelligence that is "you", it's irrevocable.  
> Once you feel that sweet spot then the reach to the bar is likewise 
> intuitive. Feeling cramped in a frame really is a joy sucker isn't it ? !  
>  It's like wearing pants or a jacket that are too tight in some way that 
> you feel restricted, and nobody likes that feeling. I like stretched out 
> relax-forward too, I'm not riding a galloping horse straight upright with 
> the reigns on my thighs, you know ?  That's why I ride a bike, whose wheels 
> are fixed and not galloping,  unlike a horse !  Speaking of which I passed 
> by a pair on the road yesterday, a "country" road of course. Around here 
> you'll see that, and yes, the horses had riders. I know what you were 
> thinking , riderless horses running wild on the road !  They kept up with 
> me for awhile, I could hear their clickety-click behind me and I glanced 
> back and saw these two gaints galloping in tow, oh how majestic ! 
>
> About the stems, I get the attachment to the Nitto negative rise road 
> stems but if you used a threadless adapter and a threadless stem that has a 
> positive rise, or even the Nitto Hi-Riser quill, you don't need nearly as 
> long of a quill. Frankly though, if you're having to use such a tall stem 
> in the first place the stack height of the frame is too low to start with. 
> Consider a custom frame, if not from Riv then from someone else. I'm having 
> a road frame built here in Ohio and he, Jack can build all sorts of frames 
> including mixtes. With 27.2 posts too !  
>
> In regards to seatposts, in 26.8 setback posts are few to start with so 
> yeah finding one with more than 23-25mm of setback seems limited to the 
> IRD. Thomson's seatposts I call "lame-back" because it's a measly 15mm of 
> setback. Does that even count ? If you're gonna set it back you may well 
> make in back enough to notice. They had a prototype 25mm setback post a 
> couple years ago that never made it to market.  Again though, with these 
> short railed leather saddles the seat tube angles should be more like 71 
> degrees which usually puts them in the custom frame category as few offer 
> that as stock. Jones does but that's not the kind of bike we're speaking of 
> here ! With a 71 sta though that opens the door to less/zero setback posts 
> and/or placing a saddle in the middle of the rails rather than jammed to 
> the front of the rails.  I ride luxurious "Royalgel" Selle Royal Lookin 
> saddles that have thankfully long rails and those are just long enough I 
> can use them with a 72 degree sta and a Salsa Shaft seatpost on the 
> Bombadil. I'm someone who finds leather saddles simply tortuous on the 
> ishiums, those inner parts of sitting bones. Ouch just thinking about it !
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 1:48:03 AM UTC-

[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadeo Complete

[Scott Calhoun]

John, I've long been on the lookout for a 63cm, and seeing your 61cm has me 
revisiting the Roadeo geometry tables so see if it will work. I'm assuming 
yours is a Waterford made version with the somewhat older original 
geometry? Can you tell us the saddle height in your photos and the headtube 
length?

Scott


On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 3:33:05 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Gorgeous!
>
> Max, who's downsizing yet is still tempted by this beauty
>
> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 4:38:57 PM UTC-5 John G. wrote:
>
>> Time to move this one on! Selling my beloved 61cm Roadeo so that I can 
>> fund the purchase of a different bike. It's great, but it has almost total 
>> overlap with my Weigle, so it's the one that's gotta go. Looking for $2300 
>> plus shipping. Specs below.
>>
>> Bars: Nitto Noodles, 44cm
>> Stem: Technomic, 100mm
>> Brifters: Ultegra 10 Speed
>> Headset: FSA
>> Crankset: Ultegra 10 speed double. 50/34
>> FD: Dura Ace
>> RD: Ultegra
>> Cassette: Ultegra 10 Speed. Less than 1K miles. 12-28
>> Pedals: Shimano PD-A600. These are Ultegra-level SPD cleats. I love 
>> them--Jan Heine uses them, fwiw.
>> Brakes: TRP Long Reach. 
>> Seatpost: Nitto 65
>> Wheels: Pacenti Forza rims and hubs. Less than 1K miles. These wheels are 
>> SO much better than I thought they'd be--strong and light, and they puff up 
>> tires nicely
>> Tires: Conti GP5000 28mm. Less than 1K miles
>> Fenders: Honjo hammered. Great coverage for 28mm tires.
>> Saddle: provide your own.
>>
>> Note: I was in the process of replacing chain, brakepads, bartape, 
>> cables, and housing. I will ship you the replacement parts if you buy it.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS or FT: Losco Bars, Brooks saddles

[Sofie C]

Loscos pending :-)

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 Sofie C wrote:

> -Beautiful Nitto Losco bars for sale for $90 (buyer pays shipping from 
> Massachusetts -- I can ship after the Thanksgiving holiday). Used only a 
> handful of times and only selling because I bought Leah's Boscos, which are 
> a better fit for me. These came on my platypus web special so I'll post 
> pics as soon as I strip the other side of the bar tape tonight (all the 
> tears!). I'd also consider trading for Billie Bars or try me on cool pedals 
> for my Clem on the way.
>
> Also selling or willing to trade for B17s (short), both used a handful of 
> times, not yet broken in; buyer pays shipping:
>
> -B17 Special Black - $125
> -B67s (short) Honey - (note this model has stiffer leather than the honey 
> leather on my b17 honey) - $100
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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Herons

[Patrick Moore]

Andy: I'd like to see your photo but the account seems private.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 11:22 AM Andy Williams 
wrote:

> This is a Great Blue Heron.
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CIBsq9bgWXH7BolozaUc3pKD8yzye_9XVzBmM00/
>
> See them all the time up here in Seattle
>
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:57:01 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I know as much about birds as about cameras, so you may be right. I
>> googled herons albuquerque bosque and great blue herons came up and looked
>> like those in the photo, but what do I know.
>>
>> I just googled both and they both look the same to me.
>>
>> Rio Grande bosque, Albuquerque, NM.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 4:52 PM twowheeledtexan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Those aren’t herons, look like sandhill cranes. If you’re referencing
>>> acequias and the Rio Grande you’re possibly in Texas? If so Texas has a
>>> hunting season for them and they’re referred to as “pork chops in the sky”.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:27:56 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Taken *in* someone's backyard. I was "by" but the herons were "in."

 On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 4:26 PM Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> Taken by someone's backyard during a very pleasant fall meander along
> our acequia trails. The third heron was camera shy and refused to 
> cooperate.
>
> We've got bird sanctuaries and wetlands (yes, desert but this is near
> the Rio Grande) in my area, and I often startle herons from the ditches as
> I ride by. They gather in flocks in fields, but I saw only 3 together this
> afternoon, though they've been in the air along with the geese.
>
> No Riv photo because I rode the Monocog.
>
> I thought that this was worth posting despite the obligatory poor
> quality, which my fault and not that of the iPhone camera (tho' it's just 
> a
> 6S).
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet frameset 64cm c-t

[Kevin D norcal - santa rosa]

update: this frame has a new owner - and heading off to the East Coast.  
Long live the Rambouillet!
thanks to all comments and inquiries, happy trails, 

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 6:06:16 AM UTC-8 Matt Beecher wrote:

> Beautiful. I'm fairly surprised that this is still available.  If only 
> this were a 58, I'd be gearing it up for Spring with fenders, lights, etc.  
>
> To the OP:  Good luck with the sale.  
> To the next owner:  You better pounce on it soon.  
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> no relation to seller
>
>

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[RBW] FS or FT: Losco Bars, Brooks saddles

[Sofie C]

-Beautiful Nitto Losco bars for sale for $90 (buyer pays shipping from 
Massachusetts -- I can ship after the Thanksgiving holiday). Used only a 
handful of times and only selling because I bought Leah's Boscos, which are 
a better fit for me. These came on my platypus web special so I'll post 
pics as soon as I strip the other side of the bar tape tonight (all the 
tears!). I'd also consider trading for Billie Bars or try me on cool pedals 
for my Clem on the way.

Also selling or willing to trade for B17s (short), both used a handful of 
times, not yet broken in; buyer pays shipping:

-B17 Special Black - $125
-B67s (short) Honey - (note this model has stiffer leather than the honey 
leather on my b17 honey) - $100

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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Herons

[Andy Williams]

This is a Great Blue Heron.   
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIBsq9bgWXH7BolozaUc3pKD8yzye_9XVzBmM00/

See them all the time up here in Seattle

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:57:01 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I know as much about birds as about cameras, so you may be right. I 
> googled herons albuquerque bosque and great blue herons came up and looked 
> like those in the photo, but what do I know.
>
> I just googled both and they both look the same to me.
>
> Rio Grande bosque, Albuquerque, NM.
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 4:52 PM twowheeledtexan  wrote:
>
>> Those aren’t herons, look like sandhill cranes. If you’re referencing 
>> acequias and the Rio Grande you’re possibly in Texas? If so Texas has a 
>> hunting season for them and they’re referred to as “pork chops in the sky”. 
>>  
>> On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:27:56 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Taken *in* someone's backyard. I was "by" but the herons were "in."
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 4:26 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Taken by someone's backyard during a very pleasant fall meander along 
 our acequia trails. The third heron was camera shy and refused to 
 cooperate.

 We've got bird sanctuaries and wetlands (yes, desert but this is near 
 the Rio Grande) in my area, and I often startle herons from the ditches as 
 I ride by. They gather in flocks in fields, but I saw only 3 together this 
 afternoon, though they've been in the air along with the geese.

 No Riv photo because I rode the Monocog.

 I thought that this was worth posting despite the obligatory poor 
 quality, which my fault and not that of the iPhone camera (tho' it's just 
 a 
 6S).

 -- 

 ---
 Patrick Moore
 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum


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[RBW] ***Price drop*** Clem Jr parts

[Ron Frazelle]

***Updated price drop*** 

Buyer pays shipping. Only shipping to CONUS 

Thanks for looking! :)

Rivendell Silver 34/24t Crank (173mm) w/ chainguard - $150
Tektro Quartz V-Brake - $40 (for both pairs)
Tektro (wide blade) levers - $20 (pair)
Alex DM24 36 hole, silver, MBW, 700c/29er wheelset with Novatech hubs and 
skewers - $200 (pair)
Kenda K-1129 Kwick Journey 45mm tires - $40 (pair)
2.6 WTB Ranger folding tires ($35ea.) 
Deore front derailleur - $25
Sunrace rear 11-34 cassette - $20
Sunrace thumbie - $40
Nitto Talux stem (110mm) - $50
Shimano Acera trigger rear shifter - $40
Shimano UN300 (113x68) bottom bracket - $10

*From my own parts bin...*

Used Brooks C-17 Special "natural" color - $90

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Re: [RBW] Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Leah Peterson]

I’ve really enjoyed reading ALL of these responses. I honestly did not know 
that what I was perceiving was an issue for so many. (And the mental image 
Garth painted of pedaling among galloping horses in Ohio was an added bonus in 
this thread.) In fact, I’d have likely just lived with the annoyance of 
inadequate setback had I not also owned a Clem. I do sit down and in that bike, 
and once you know it’s possible, you want it for ALL your bikes. I talked 
myself out of solving the problem because I knew the Platypus to be a long bike 
- why should it feel too short for me? My perception must be wrong.  

I feel really great on that already great Platypus now; I don’t think I’ll need 
to change the stem. The Billie Bars continue to be perfect, and I love my 
saddle, so there is nothing left to do but enjoy the bike all of my life.

Leah

> On Nov 21, 2021, at 5:30 AM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone even know what the seat tube angle is on the Platypus ?  Likely 
> not as the frame geometry was never included in the table. It's either 72 or 
> 71.5.  All 'n all in my opinion Grant/Will could do a better job of educating 
> buyers on fitting their bikes rather than saying "just trust us".  That 
> rather irks me actually as it's the same-ol-same-ol bike shop mentality 
> that's been around since I can remember. "We know better than the customer." 
> No, they don't, as if they did they'd take the time to share in the process 
> of fitting the bike to the customers sensibilities, not the bike shops as 
> their take is inherently of their own self interests. Buying a bike virtually 
> makes it challenging for everyone of course. I take it upon myself to check a 
> frame before I buy it to see what all specs are, if the seat angle is 72 or 
> less, if it has enough f-c, stack and reach and all that jazz. Learn what it 
> all means and how that will translate to actually fitting into the frame. 
> Besides the Bombadil, the only other frame I considered suitable from them 
> was a Susie, which I bought but as of yet I don't feel any enthusiasm to 
> build. 
> 
> With a Platypus and a swept back bar I suspect Leah and Roberta could use a 
> longer stem, assuming the saddle is now in the "sweet spot" of what feels 
> right and what feels right is intuitive, a centering balance of being "in the 
> bike" and being able to pedal efficiently. No one can tell you what that 
> point is  it's like an ah-hah !  moment when you understand something 
> within. It's the Intelligence that is "you", it's irrevocable.  Once you feel 
> that sweet spot then the reach to the bar is likewise intuitive. Feeling 
> cramped in a frame really is a joy sucker isn't it ? !   It's like wearing 
> pants or a jacket that are too tight in some way that you feel restricted, 
> and nobody likes that feeling. I like stretched out relax-forward too, I'm 
> not riding a galloping horse straight upright with the reigns on my thighs, 
> you know ?  That's why I ride a bike, whose wheels are fixed and not 
> galloping,  unlike a horse !  Speaking of which I passed by a pair on the 
> road yesterday, a "country" road of course. Around here you'll see that, and 
> yes, the horses had riders. I know what you were thinking , riderless horses 
> running wild on the road !  They kept up with me for awhile, I could hear 
> their clickety-click behind me and I glanced back and saw these two gaints 
> galloping in tow, oh how majestic ! 
> 
> About the stems, I get the attachment to the Nitto negative rise road stems 
> but if you used a threadless adapter and a threadless stem that has a 
> positive rise, or even the Nitto Hi-Riser quill, you don't need nearly as 
> long of a quill. Frankly though, if you're having to use such a tall stem in 
> the first place the stack height of the frame is too low to start with. 
> Consider a custom frame, if not from Riv then from someone else. I'm having a 
> road frame built here in Ohio and he, Jack can build all sorts of frames 
> including mixtes. With 27.2 posts too !  
> 
> In regards to seatposts, in 26.8 setback posts are few to start with so yeah 
> finding one with more than 23-25mm of setback seems limited to the IRD. 
> Thomson's seatposts I call "lame-back" because it's a measly 15mm of setback. 
> Does that even count ? If you're gonna set it back you may well make in back 
> enough to notice. They had a prototype 25mm setback post a couple years ago 
> that never made it to market.  Again though, with these short railed leather 
> saddles the seat tube angles should be more like 71 degrees which usually 
> puts them in the custom frame category as few offer that as stock. Jones does 
> but that's not the kind of bike we're speaking of here ! With a 71 sta though 
> that opens the door to less/zero setback posts and/or placing a saddle in the 
> middle of the rails rather than jammed to the front of the rails.  I ride 
> luxurious "Royalgel" Selle Royal Lookin saddles that have thankfully long 
> rai

[RBW] FS: Shifters, Nitto rack, Tires, XT rapid rise

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

Trying to tidy up the shed a bit so the following items are for sale:

Shimano XT rapid rise rear derailleur, installed & removed, like new - $55
New Shimano 9 speed / friction bar end shifters w/o mounts (thumbie kit?) - 
$55
New in package Microshift silver 8 speed / friction thumbshifters - $55
Altus  (left & right) 2 x 8 speed trigger shifters, installed & removed, 
like new - $25

Nitto m14 rear rack,  like new (flat, no loadstop/tombstone) - $95

Pair of 700 x 45 Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass Extralight tires, 400 miles - 
$85
Pair of 29 x 2.0" Continental Race King folding tubeless tires, 100 miles - 
$45

Pictures available upon request. Please send PM for interest and thanks for 
looking!

Jeff (Alabama)

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Re: [RBW] Some refinements on the Platypus: IRD Wayback Seat Post

[Garth]

Does anyone even know what the seat tube angle is on the Platypus ?  Likely 
not as the frame geometry was never included in the table. It's either 72 
or 71.5.  All 'n all in my opinion Grant/Will could do a better job of 
educating buyers on fitting their bikes rather than saying "just trust 
us".  That rather irks me actually as it's the same-ol-same-ol bike shop 
mentality that's been around since I can remember. "We know better than the 
customer." No, they don't, as if they did they'd take the time to share in 
the process of fitting the bike to the customers sensibilities, not the 
bike shops as their take is inherently of their own self interests. Buying 
a bike virtually makes it challenging for everyone of course. I take it 
upon myself to check a frame before I buy it to see what all specs are, if 
the seat angle is 72 or less, if it has enough f-c, stack and reach and all 
that jazz. Learn what it all means and how that will translate to actually 
fitting into the frame. Besides the Bombadil, the only other frame I 
considered suitable from them was a Susie, which I bought but as of yet I 
don't feel any enthusiasm to build. 

With a Platypus and a swept back bar I suspect Leah and Roberta could use a 
longer stem, assuming the saddle is now in the "sweet spot" of what feels 
right and what feels right is intuitive, a centering balance of being "in 
the bike" and being able to pedal efficiently. No one can tell you what 
that point is  it's like an *ah-hah ! * moment when you understand 
something within. It's the Intelligence that is "you", it's irrevocable.  
Once you feel that sweet spot then the reach to the bar is likewise 
intuitive. Feeling cramped in a frame really is a joy sucker isn't it ? !  
 It's like wearing pants or a jacket that are too tight in some way that 
you feel restricted, and nobody likes that feeling. I like stretched out 
relax-forward too, I'm not riding a galloping horse straight upright with 
the reigns on my thighs, you know ?  That's why I ride a bike, whose wheels 
are fixed and not galloping,  unlike a horse !  Speaking of which I passed 
by a pair on the road yesterday, a "country" road of course. Around here 
you'll see that, and yes, the horses had riders. I know what you were 
thinking , riderless horses running wild on the road !  They kept up with 
me for awhile, I could hear their clickety-click behind me and I glanced 
back and saw these two gaints galloping in tow, oh how majestic ! 

About the stems, I get the attachment to the Nitto negative rise road stems 
but if you used a threadless adapter and a threadless stem that has a 
positive rise, or even the Nitto Hi-Riser quill, you don't need nearly as 
long of a quill. Frankly though, if you're having to use such a tall stem 
in the first place the stack height of the frame is too low to start with. 
Consider a custom frame, if not from Riv then from someone else. I'm having 
a road frame built here in Ohio and he, Jack can build all sorts of frames 
including mixtes. With 27.2 posts too !  

In regards to seatposts, in 26.8 setback posts are few to start with so 
yeah finding one with more than 23-25mm of setback seems limited to the 
IRD. Thomson's seatposts I call "lame-back" because it's a measly 15mm of 
setback. Does that even count ? If you're gonna set it back you may well 
make in back enough to notice. They had a prototype 25mm setback post a 
couple years ago that never made it to market.  Again though, with these 
short railed leather saddles the seat tube angles should be more like 71 
degrees which usually puts them in the custom frame category as few offer 
that as stock. Jones does but that's not the kind of bike we're speaking of 
here ! With a 71 sta though that opens the door to less/zero setback posts 
and/or placing a saddle in the middle of the rails rather than jammed to 
the front of the rails.  I ride luxurious "Royalgel" Selle Royal Lookin 
saddles that have thankfully long rails and those are just long enough I 
can use them with a 72 degree sta and a Salsa Shaft seatpost on the 
Bombadil. I'm someone who finds leather saddles simply tortuous on the 
ishiums, those inner parts of sitting bones. Ouch just thinking about it !




On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 1:48:03 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> Leah et al;
> You pointed out exactly why the first thing I look at with bike fit is if 
> I can achieve the desired setback for my preferred position. 
> Everyone will differ and everyone will have their ideal range but once you 
> know your comfort zone you can get a better idea where your frame will fit 
> regarding your preferred riding position. 
> For myself, I tend to avoid frames with seat tubes of 74 degrees and 
> steeper because I can’t slide a Brooks saddle far enough back to achieve a 
> comfortable riding position. Someone riding an identical sized bike might 
> be fine due to either saddle choice, femur  length,  bar height or riding 
> position.  
> Bicycle manu