Re: [RBW] FS: Brooks B68, Terry Liberator X Gel Saddles

[Emily Guise]

UPDATE: The B68 is sold! The Terry saddle is still available. 

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 12:20:09 PM UTC-8 Emily Guise wrote:

> Thanks for that note, Abe! I was going off the measurements on the site I 
> bought it from, but I measured it this morning and it is indeed 230mm long 
> by 200mm wide.
>
> Emily
>
> On Nov 27, 2021, at 11:15 AM, Pancake  wrote:
>
> Hi Emily,
>
> The "short" B68 apparently measures:
> Length: 230mm
> Width: 200mm
> Though some sites list it at 235mm x 205mm. 
>
> Saddles both look to be in great shape - good luck with the sale. 
> Abe
>
>
> On Friday, 26 November 2021 at 20:11:38 UTC-8 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Hey all, my apologies, I totally forgot to say that the B68 is the 
>> shorter S model, not the regular length. 
>>
>> Emily
>>
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 7:15:57 PM UTC-8 kay...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi! Is the B68 still for sale?
>>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2021, at 8:21 PM, Emily Guise  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Hello friends! After trying a bunch of saddles, I've finally found some 
>>> that work for me. Sadly, that doesn't include these two, so they're up for 
>>> sale. Both are lightly used and in excellent shape, with their original 
>>> packaging for each. Buyer would pay shipping costs. Lots of photos of both 
>>> saddles here 
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> If interested, email me off list at emilykguise (at) gmail (dot) com. 
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> *Black Brooks B68 Imperial.* This is NOS. I put two light coats of 
>>> Obenauf's on it but it is definitely not broken in as my butt can attest. 
>>> Textured leather top, steel rails, bag loops. Measures 260mm long and 210mm 
>>> wide. $75 plus shipping (I originally paid $95)
>>>
>>> *Terry Liberator X Gel.* Such a nice saddle but just too narrow for me. 
>>> Synthetic cover with a little bit of gel for a slightly softer saddle for 
>>> long rides (emphasis on slightly). Steel rails, measures 249mm long and 
>>> 163mm wide. Full specs on the Terry site here 
>>> . $60 plus shipping (I 
>>> originally paid $82)
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[David Person]

I had a pair of Oracle Ridges on my side pull Sam for a short time.  Had to 
deflate the tires to get them past the brake pads on the Tektro 559s.  Off 
pavement they threw up a lot of small stones compared to The smooth treaded 
Snoqualmie Pass. The paint on the underside of the down tube took a beating.

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame purchase! 
>
> My thoughts: 
> - I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires run 
> bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd be 
> surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
> Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't 
> realized. 
> - Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so your 
> Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
> - If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not up on 
> the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that Paul 
> pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 
>
> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce off 
>> ideas on the components planned for the build. Here is my list
>>
>>
>> Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
>> RH Oracle ridge
>> Shimano nexave RD
>> RH 42-26 cranks
>> 11-36 9speed cassette 
>> Silver bar end shifters
>> Nitto noodle bars
>> Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
>> TRP rrl brake levers
>> Paul components racers
>>
>> What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if you have 
>> ordered one too how are you building it ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[Jason Fuller]

Sounds like a dreamy build overall, and congrats on the frame purchase! 

My thoughts: 
- I think the Oracle might be ambitious, clearance-wise. Herse tires run 
bigger than most for their printed size, and add the knobs, and I'd be 
surprised if those fit.  I'd suggest their 42mm counterpart, Hurricane 
Ridge, unless they've increased clearance this round and I haven't 
realized. 
- Gearing sounds dreamy but I'd just go 11-34 for the cassette so your 
Nexave is happier, and you've still got a real nice low gear.  
- If you have a line on Paul Racers, jump on it because they are not up on 
the website anymore and might be tough to find. I am baffled that Paul 
pulled them from production, of all the brake options they offer. 

On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 09:36:59 UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ordered the upcoming homers. It would be nice to discuss ,bounce off ideas 
> on the components planned for the build. Here is my list
>
>
> Pace to brevet with shimano rear hub and SON 28.
> RH Oracle ridge
> Shimano nexave RD
> RH 42-26 cranks
> 11-36 9speed cassette 
> Silver bar end shifters
> Nitto noodle bars
> Nitto technomic   50 mm stem
> TRP rrl brake levers
> Paul components racers
>
> What’s are your thoughts ?any suggestions on the components ?if you have 
> ordered one too how are you building it ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Jason Fuller]

Michael - they switched from the dual TT style to the diaga-tube in 2010 on 
Bombadils :)  So the diaga is the newer version 

On Tuesday, 30 November 2021 at 20:10:00 UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> any info regarding these two bombadils? asking because they're the same, 
> but different. and one is very close to that appa proto posted above.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiketouringnews.com%2Fadvocacy-awareness%2Ffat-tire-pioneers%2F&psig=AOvVaw25kPjnVkOVG8DFUipsAyrC&ust=1638418047191000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPCKmoTdwfQCFQAdABAD
>
> and 
>
>
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Famisingh%2F8034138028&psig=AOvVaw25kPjnVkOVG8DFUipsAyrC&ust=1638418047191000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPCKmoTdwfQCFQAdABAJ
>
> gotta love the swooping diaga-tube.
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:02:57 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Oh wow, that's the shortest rear end and smallest size proto-Appa that 
>> I've seen!  At this rate, might just have to buy riv-wiki.com (it's 
>> available!).  Thanks for all the contributions. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, 30 November 2021 at 14:47:21 UTC-8 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> The Mystery Bike/Appaloosa happened shortly after I discovered RBW, so 
>>> 2012'ish sounds about right.  
>>>
>>> My memory is that Grant put out feelers for 10 people to buy a new bike, 
>>> completely sight unseen with no input (I don't remember if they were 
>>> allowed to choose color) into the bike.  I don't recall if they were 
>>> completes or F/F/H, but $4000 sticks in my mind as being the cost.  
>>>
>>> I have several really good photos that were posted of those bikes.  
>>>
>>> [image: Joe Appaloosa (5).jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:14:05 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to 
 go 
 before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to 
 what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part, 
 and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  

 I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
 different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
 lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain (Expedition? 
 Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the Road 
 was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 

 I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
 omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I welcome 
 (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I 
 think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either 
 underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and 
 Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not sure 
 yet, depends how bored I get this winter I guess!  I have webhosting 
 available, just need to sort some stuff out on that end. 


  

 On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 10:58:35 UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> Good effort.  I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once.  My 
> comment is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or 
> "mystery bike," which is different from the current Appaloosa.  I know it 
> was 'sort of' a prototype, but they were produced for specific, paying 
> customers - exactly the way early Roads, All Rounders and Mountains were 
> - 
> with no design input from the buyers and - unlike those others - they DID 
> have an actual model name and head badge.  I don't think I'd consider 
> them 
> insignificant either, as they were the experience that led to the current 
> long chainstay, longer top tube models and the big swept-back bars like 
> the 
> bosco.  Kind of key to understanding the whole evolution.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:29:08 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> Nice Jason, and needed.  The Road was followed quickly by the Road 
>> Standard, I think by '96.
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv 
>>> Readers, as well as old copies of the Rivendell website via 
>>> archive.org (it was veloworks.com/rivendell first, then it was 
>>> rivendellbicycles.com, then moved to the current home of rivbike.com 
>>> - I've perused probably upwards of 100's of snapshots of these sites 
>>> today).  
>>>
>>> I don't have nearly as deep of experience with Rivendell as some of 
>>> you so I wanted to run this timeline by y'all and see if you can point 
>>> out 
>>> omissions or errors in my timeline. 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Michael Baquerizo]

any info regarding these two bombadils? asking because they're the same, 
but different. and one is very close to that appa proto posted above.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiketouringnews.com%2Fadvocacy-awareness%2Ffat-tire-pioneers%2F&psig=AOvVaw25kPjnVkOVG8DFUipsAyrC&ust=1638418047191000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPCKmoTdwfQCFQAdABAD

and 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Famisingh%2F8034138028&psig=AOvVaw25kPjnVkOVG8DFUipsAyrC&ust=1638418047191000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPCKmoTdwfQCFQAdABAJ

gotta love the swooping diaga-tube.
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:02:57 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Oh wow, that's the shortest rear end and smallest size proto-Appa that 
> I've seen!  At this rate, might just have to buy riv-wiki.com (it's 
> available!).  Thanks for all the contributions. 
>
> On Tuesday, 30 November 2021 at 14:47:21 UTC-8 Chris L wrote:
>
>> The Mystery Bike/Appaloosa happened shortly after I discovered RBW, so 
>> 2012'ish sounds about right.  
>>
>> My memory is that Grant put out feelers for 10 people to buy a new bike, 
>> completely sight unseen with no input (I don't remember if they were 
>> allowed to choose color) into the bike.  I don't recall if they were 
>> completes or F/F/H, but $4000 sticks in my mind as being the cost.  
>>
>> I have several really good photos that were posted of those bikes.  
>>
>> [image: Joe Appaloosa (5).jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:14:05 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
>>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to go 
>>> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to 
>>> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part, 
>>> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>>>
>>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
>>> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
>>> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain (Expedition? 
>>> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the Road 
>>> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>>>
>>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
>>> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I welcome 
>>> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I 
>>> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either 
>>> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and 
>>> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not sure 
>>> yet, depends how bored I get this winter I guess!  I have webhosting 
>>> available, just need to sort some stuff out on that end. 
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 10:58:35 UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Good effort.  I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once.  My 
 comment is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or 
 "mystery bike," which is different from the current Appaloosa.  I know it 
 was 'sort of' a prototype, but they were produced for specific, paying 
 customers - exactly the way early Roads, All Rounders and Mountains were - 
 with no design input from the buyers and - unlike those others - they DID 
 have an actual model name and head badge.  I don't think I'd consider them 
 insignificant either, as they were the experience that led to the current 
 long chainstay, longer top tube models and the big swept-back bars like 
 the 
 bosco.  Kind of key to understanding the whole evolution.


 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:29:08 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:

> Nice Jason, and needed.  The Road was followed quickly by the Road 
> Standard, I think by '96.
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv 
>> Readers, as well as old copies of the Rivendell website via 
>> archive.org (it was veloworks.com/rivendell first, then it was 
>> rivendellbicycles.com, then moved to the current home of rivbike.com 
>> - I've perused probably upwards of 100's of snapshots of these sites 
>> today).  
>>
>> I don't have nearly as deep of experience with Rivendell as some of 
>> you so I wanted to run this timeline by y'all and see if you can point 
>> out 
>> omissions or errors in my timeline. There are a lot of permutations of 
>> some 
>> of these models of course - I have pretty detailed notes about where 
>> each 
>> model was made (including many which went through a few shops) in 
>> addition 
>> to the timeline, which I plan to include in whatever final form this 
>> takes.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Jason Fuller]

Oh wow, that's the shortest rear end and smallest size proto-Appa that I've 
seen!  At this rate, might just have to buy riv-wiki.com (it's 
available!).  Thanks for all the contributions. 

On Tuesday, 30 November 2021 at 14:47:21 UTC-8 Chris L wrote:

> The Mystery Bike/Appaloosa happened shortly after I discovered RBW, so 
> 2012'ish sounds about right.  
>
> My memory is that Grant put out feelers for 10 people to buy a new bike, 
> completely sight unseen with no input (I don't remember if they were 
> allowed to choose color) into the bike.  I don't recall if they were 
> completes or F/F/H, but $4000 sticks in my mind as being the cost.  
>
> I have several really good photos that were posted of those bikes.  
>
> [image: Joe Appaloosa (5).jpg]
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:14:05 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 3/10 
>> to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to go 
>> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to 
>> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part, 
>> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>>
>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as different 
>> bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 lineup, was the 
>> Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain (Expedition? Should I include 
>> this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the Road was the cheapest 
>> of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>>
>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
>> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I welcome 
>> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I 
>> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either 
>> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and 
>> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not sure 
>> yet, depends how bored I get this winter I guess!  I have webhosting 
>> available, just need to sort some stuff out on that end. 
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 10:58:35 UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Good effort.  I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once.  My comment 
>>> is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or "mystery 
>>> bike," which is different from the current Appaloosa.  I know it was 'sort 
>>> of' a prototype, but they were produced for specific, paying customers - 
>>> exactly the way early Roads, All Rounders and Mountains were - with no 
>>> design input from the buyers and - unlike those others - they DID have an 
>>> actual model name and head badge.  I don't think I'd consider them 
>>> insignificant either, as they were the experience that led to the current 
>>> long chainstay, longer top tube models and the big swept-back bars like the 
>>> bosco.  Kind of key to understanding the whole evolution.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:29:08 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>>>
 Nice Jason, and needed.  The Road was followed quickly by the Road 
 Standard, I think by '96.

 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv 
> Readers, as well as old copies of the Rivendell website via 
> archive.org (it was veloworks.com/rivendell first, then it was 
> rivendellbicycles.com, then moved to the current home of rivbike.com 
> - I've perused probably upwards of 100's of snapshots of these sites 
> today).  
>
> I don't have nearly as deep of experience with Rivendell as some of 
> you so I wanted to run this timeline by y'all and see if you can point 
> out 
> omissions or errors in my timeline. There are a lot of permutations of 
> some 
> of these models of course - I have pretty detailed notes about where each 
> model was made (including many which went through a few shops) in 
> addition 
> to the timeline, which I plan to include in whatever final form this 
> takes.  
>
> Please let me know if you see something missing or incorrect!  Note: I 
> left Protovelo's out because I'm not considering prototypes to be 
> relevant; 
> I might be missing some Rosco's but only the Bubbe 51 and Road 55.5 are 
> ones I have any info on. The step-thru version seems to have snuck past 
> my 
> research so far. 
>
>  [image: PXL_20211127_062150509.jpg]
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Ron's bag, Cliffhanger rims, RBW hat, etc

[Taylor M]

Thanks to everyone who expressed interest! The Tech Fanny has sold and the 
RWB/Blue Lug hat is pending. Below are the remaining items with some price 
drops and new additions.

Happy to share photos if you're interested in something specific.

Fabio's Tech Fanny, Large, Black lava doom. New, never used. $165. *Sold*

RWB/Blue Lug hat, Tan. New, never used. $55. *Sale pending*

Swift Industries Zeitgeist Bag, Black heather VX21. Like new condition, 
lightly used twice. $180.

Pair of Velocity Cliffhanger rims, 27.5" (650b), 32h, polished. New, never 
used. $240.

Pair of Paul Components Motolite Linear Pull brakes, Silver. New, never 
used. $130 each. 

Fabio's Waxed Cordura Fanny, Large, Navy. New, never used. $175. Link 

 to 
item on maker's website. 

Brooks Cambium C17 saddle, Orange. New, never installed or used. $110.
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:58:11 PM UTC-5 Taylor M wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm clearing out some things from my parts bin. Buyer pays shipping. Let 
> me know if you're interested :)
>
> *Fabio's Tech Fanny*, Large, Black lava doom. New, never used. $165.
>
> *Swift Industries Zeitgeist Bag*, Black heather VX21. Like new condition, 
> lightly used twice. $200.
>
> Pair of *Velocity Cliffhanger rims*, 27.5" (650b), 32h, polished. New, 
> never used. $240.
>
> *RWB/Blue Lug hat*, Tan. New, never used. $55.
>
> Pair of *Paul Components Motolite Linear Pull brakes*, Silver. New, never 
> used. $150 each. 
>
> Thanks!
> T
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

[Bill Lindsay]

Earlier in the thread I recommended vintage Deore XT rear hubs, and the OP 
bought one of mine from me.  I stumbled upon an ebay seller offering 
vintage 32 hole Deore XT front hubs at the super low price of $18 shipped 
(m737, skewer included).  Front hubs never blow up, but dang that's a great 
price.  I'd pay $15 for the skewer on its own!  Front hubs also make cool 
fidget tchotchkes for your desk, or maybe you want to try wheelbuilding and 
need a hub.  I bought three of them.  

Here's the ebay site:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/393148158087

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Whenever I'm looking for a good, reliable and affordable 135mm OLD rear 
> hub I still think there are not a lot of better choices than Japanese made 
> Deore XT.  Here's a nice used hubset for $75:  
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/353771592695?hash=item525e6e1bf7:g:vlkAAOSw9URhk2vJ
>
> If you prefer to have NIB or NOS, then you likely will pay more.  I 
> believe I have an NIB M750 rear hub.  Let me know if you want me to look 
> for it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 10:18:28 AM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
>> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in color, 
>> and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on the Riv 
>> site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  Coasting 
>> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody have 
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Chris L]

The Mystery Bike/Appaloosa happened shortly after I discovered RBW, so 
2012'ish sounds about right.  

My memory is that Grant put out feelers for 10 people to buy a new bike, 
completely sight unseen with no input (I don't remember if they were 
allowed to choose color) into the bike.  I don't recall if they were 
completes or F/F/H, but $4000 sticks in my mind as being the cost.  

I have several really good photos that were posted of those bikes.  

[image: Joe Appaloosa (5).jpg]

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:14:05 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 3/10 
> to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to go 
> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to 
> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part, 
> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>
> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as different 
> bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 lineup, was the 
> Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain (Expedition? Should I include 
> this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the Road was the cheapest 
> of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>
> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I welcome 
> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I 
> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either 
> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and 
> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not sure 
> yet, depends how bored I get this winter I guess!  I have webhosting 
> available, just need to sort some stuff out on that end. 
>
>
>  
>
> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 10:58:35 UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Good effort.  I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once.  My comment 
>> is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or "mystery 
>> bike," which is different from the current Appaloosa.  I know it was 'sort 
>> of' a prototype, but they were produced for specific, paying customers - 
>> exactly the way early Roads, All Rounders and Mountains were - with no 
>> design input from the buyers and - unlike those others - they DID have an 
>> actual model name and head badge.  I don't think I'd consider them 
>> insignificant either, as they were the experience that led to the current 
>> long chainstay, longer top tube models and the big swept-back bars like the 
>> bosco.  Kind of key to understanding the whole evolution.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:29:08 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> Nice Jason, and needed.  The Road was followed quickly by the Road 
>>> Standard, I think by '96.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv Readers, 
 as well as old copies of the Rivendell website via archive.org (it was 
 veloworks.com/rivendell first, then it was rivendellbicycles.com, then 
 moved to the current home of rivbike.com - I've perused probably 
 upwards of 100's of snapshots of these sites today).  

 I don't have nearly as deep of experience with Rivendell as some of you 
 so I wanted to run this timeline by y'all and see if you can point out 
 omissions or errors in my timeline. There are a lot of permutations of 
 some 
 of these models of course - I have pretty detailed notes about where each 
 model was made (including many which went through a few shops) in addition 
 to the timeline, which I plan to include in whatever final form this 
 takes.  

 Please let me know if you see something missing or incorrect!  Note: I 
 left Protovelo's out because I'm not considering prototypes to be 
 relevant; 
 I might be missing some Rosco's but only the Bubbe 51 and Road 55.5 are 
 ones I have any info on. The step-thru version seems to have snuck past my 
 research so far. 

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Re: [RBW] Riv's seat post bolt diameter needed

[Joe Bernard]

I hate that. I know the logic behind it, but I'm never going to be ok with 
the listed tool size being different from the thing the tool turns. 

Joe "it's wrong even if it's right" Bernard

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:03:41 PM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> You got it! 
>
> Ben, who bought a couple 5mm bolts for his seatpost a while back because 
> he thought the hex key size = bolt size. 
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 10:13 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ben!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> M6 (that takes a 5mm hex).
>>>
>>> -Ben
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:41 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
 What is the seat post bolt diameter that Rivendell uses?  I have a MIT 
 A Homer Hilsen and a Platypus.  To my eye, it looks like 6mm.  I cannot 
 find my calipers. 

 I'm getting Hexlox for saddle and seat post, but do not know which size 
 to order for seat post-- 6mm or 8mm .   
 https://hexlox.com/pages/protect-integrated-seat-post-clamps

 Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Riv's seat post bolt diameter needed

[David Person]

"Ben, who bought a couple 5mm bolts for his seatpost a while back because 
he thought the hex key size = bolt size."

But the 5mm are useful for so many other things on the bike.  Mounting 
racks, water bottle cages, fenders.
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:03:41 PM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> You got it! 
>
> Ben, who bought a couple 5mm bolts for his seatpost a while back because 
> he thought the hex key size = bolt size. 
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 10:13 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ben!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> M6 (that takes a 5mm hex).
>>>
>>> -Ben
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:41 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
 What is the seat post bolt diameter that Rivendell uses?  I have a MIT 
 A Homer Hilsen and a Platypus.  To my eye, it looks like 6mm.  I cannot 
 find my calipers. 

 I'm getting Hexlox for saddle and seat post, but do not know which size 
 to order for seat post-- 6mm or 8mm .   
 https://hexlox.com/pages/protect-integrated-seat-post-clamps

 Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Riv's seat post bolt diameter needed

[Ben Mihovk]

You got it!

Ben, who bought a couple 5mm bolts for his seatpost a while back because he
thought the hex key size = bolt size.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 10:13 AM Roberta  wrote:

> Thanks, Ben!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> M6 (that takes a 5mm hex).
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:41 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> What is the seat post bolt diameter that Rivendell uses?  I have a MIT A
>>> Homer Hilsen and a Platypus.  To my eye, it looks like 6mm.  I cannot find
>>> my calipers.
>>>
>>> I'm getting Hexlox for saddle and seat post, but do not know which size
>>> to order for seat post-- 6mm or 8mm .
>>> https://hexlox.com/pages/protect-integrated-seat-post-clamps
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[deepak atreya]

Will from riv said it will fit with Pacenti Brevet which has internal width
of 19 mm , the actual measured width of tire would be less than 48 . I also
had contacted one of the guys who had homer with 50 mm cazedero on sale
here ( unfortunately I missed it ) . He was also running them on pacenti
brevet and had actual tire width measure at 47.5 . So I guess even older
mit frame would fit large tires depending on internal width of rim .
The ability to run 48 mm tires really sealed the deal for me and for my
weight (155 lbs) it would pretty much get as close to “one bike to do it
all “ as possible ( I am hoping :-) ).

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 12:25 Weston Hein  wrote:

> I've read a couple of people planning to run 48mm Oracle Ridge on the
> incoming Homers. Do you all have input from Riv that the new frames will
> fit this tire? I ask because that would definitely make the new frames more
> tempting.
>
> My experience trying to run the 48mm Oracle Ridge (tubeless on Quills) on
> my girlfriends 2020 canti Hillborne was the fork was too narrow to clear
> the knobs. The inside tang on the fork crown rubbed with out of saddle
> climbing and the overall axle to crown up front and brake bridge in the
> back were not high enough for sufficient clearance. It looks like Sam and
> Homers use the same crown so curiosity has me wondering.
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:10:53 AM UTC-8 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> I have wheels with both of those rims.  I vastly prefer Atlas, if you can
>> source them.  The A23 is my go-to rim if I want tires in the 33mm or less
>> range.  I like Atlas for bigger rims, but I find I generally don't exceed
>> 38mm for anything.
>>
>> I don't really like my Dyad rims, but that might just be my aesthetic
>> opinion casting an overall negative view of them.
>>
>> I have some Pacenti rims, but I bet they are the old ones that had a
>> failure issue.  So far, they are still going strong and I like them well
>> enough.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt B in Oswego, IL
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 10:18:39 AM UTC-6 John G. wrote:
>>
>>> I ended up deciding to buy a Homer complete. Crashed my wet-weather bike
>>> last Monday and separated my shoulder. Took it as a sign that I need fatter
>>> tires and more stable handling. I have an 90 pbh and I'm going with a 58,
>>> which surprised me, since I would've been a 61.5 last time. Worried it'll
>>> be too small, but I trust Riv. I'm thinking about albastaches or drops, but
>>> I do intend to take this on longer event rides, so I want to be sure the
>>> bars work for that. I have mustaches on my Quickbeam and I love them for
>>> rides up to 40-50 miles.
>>>
>>> I've never actually bought a complete from Riv, so I'm excited about the
>>> spec'ing process. Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? Albastaches or Noodles? Which
>>> crank?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone know why one might sell a perfectly fine 58cm homer with
 650b tires (bought almost 3 years ago) and get one of these new 54.5cm with
 700c tires and downtube bosses?

 Ok, I admit it, it's me. I have a 58 cm, 650b'd homer. My pbh is 87,
 the 58 is just a tad long for me if I want to run noodles but it is an
 otherwise ideal commuter with chaco bars. But I am for some reason very
 tempted by the newer frame.

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:21:51 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Oooops, 2019 specs.
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>
>> I saw it after Eric and it basically looks like the 2919 specs.  Same
>> standover, same chainstay.  I am tempted but not quite ready as the 
>> Bleriot
>> may be a better compliment to my Hillborne.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:56 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo
>>> of a big geo chart written on cardboard.
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been
 cleared of charts and says...

 "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call
 us with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.

 -will"

 It'll be nice to see some updated charts.


 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as
> 2019.
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>
>> What updated charts, I just see the 2019.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5
>> sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Weston Hein]

I've read a couple of people planning to run 48mm Oracle Ridge on the 
incoming Homers. Do you all have input from Riv that the new frames will 
fit this tire? I ask because that would definitely make the new frames more 
tempting.

My experience trying to run the 48mm Oracle Ridge (tubeless on Quills) on 
my girlfriends 2020 canti Hillborne was the fork was too narrow to clear 
the knobs. The inside tang on the fork crown rubbed with out of saddle 
climbing and the overall axle to crown up front and brake bridge in the 
back were not high enough for sufficient clearance. It looks like Sam and 
Homers use the same crown so curiosity has me wondering.

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:10:53 AM UTC-8 Matt Beecher wrote:

> I have wheels with both of those rims.  I vastly prefer Atlas, if you can 
> source them.  The A23 is my go-to rim if I want tires in the 33mm or less 
> range.  I like Atlas for bigger rims, but I find I generally don't exceed 
> 38mm for anything.  
>
> I don't really like my Dyad rims, but that might just be my aesthetic 
> opinion casting an overall negative view of them.  
>
> I have some Pacenti rims, but I bet they are the old ones that had a 
> failure issue.  So far, they are still going strong and I like them well 
> enough.  
>
> Best regards,
> Matt B in Oswego, IL
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 10:18:39 AM UTC-6 John G. wrote:
>
>> I ended up deciding to buy a Homer complete. Crashed my wet-weather bike 
>> last Monday and separated my shoulder. Took it as a sign that I need fatter 
>> tires and more stable handling. I have an 90 pbh and I'm going with a 58, 
>> which surprised me, since I would've been a 61.5 last time. Worried it'll 
>> be too small, but I trust Riv. I'm thinking about albastaches or drops, but 
>> I do intend to take this on longer event rides, so I want to be sure the 
>> bars work for that. I have mustaches on my Quickbeam and I love them for 
>> rides up to 40-50 miles.
>>
>> I've never actually bought a complete from Riv, so I'm excited about the 
>> spec'ing process. Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? Albastaches or Noodles? Which 
>> crank? 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know why one might sell a perfectly fine 58cm homer with 
>>> 650b tires (bought almost 3 years ago) and get one of these new 54.5cm with 
>>> 700c tires and downtube bosses? 
>>>
>>> Ok, I admit it, it's me. I have a 58 cm, 650b'd homer. My pbh is 87,  
>>> the 58 is just a tad long for me if I want to run noodles but it is an 
>>> otherwise ideal commuter with chaco bars. But I am for some reason very 
>>> tempted by the newer frame. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:21:51 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oooops, 2019 specs.  

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:

> I saw it after Eric and it basically looks like the 2919 specs.  Same 
> standover, same chainstay.  I am tempted but not quite ready as the 
> Bleriot 
> may be a better compliment to my Hillborne.   
>
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:56 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo 
>> of a big geo chart written on cardboard. 
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been 
>>> cleared of charts and says...
>>>
>>> "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call 
>>> us with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.
>>>
>>> -will"
>>>
>>> It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 
 2019.  

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:

> What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just 
>> short of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem 
>> on the 
>> way...
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
>>> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy 
>>> if I 
>>> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Jeremy Till]

As others have pointed out, there are ways to try to make mounting a tire 
easier, and if your main goal is a wider tire, there is absolutely no 
problem with putting a 35mm tire on a rim the width of the open pro. On my 
Rambouillet I've maximized the tire size by running Paul Racer M brakes and 
700x40 nominal (37.5mm actual) tires. A 35mm tire would be a great setup, I 
think, and a good balance between tire volume and clearance. Picture 
here: https://flic.kr/p/2kSZxh9 

My rims are Velocity Aeroheads, which are very close in width to Open Pros 
and DT RR 1.1's, if memory serves correctly. I don't experience any 
handling issues with the wide tire/narrow rim combination. I run the 
pressures 40 psi front/55 psi rear, and I've weighed between 225 and 235 
lbs with this setup.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the 
> rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run 
> 35mm tires.
>
> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for rims 
> that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now it 
> seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I should 
> be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims. Also, 
> is there anything else I should check out?
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Matt Beecher]

I had issues with a rim recently and determined it was the cotton tape.  I 
switched to use the blue tape (Velocity?) that Riv sells and the rims were 
manageable again.  I don't recall the rim brand though, so I apologize for 
that lack of information. 

I have a wheel that came with veloplugs and found those suitable as well.  

Best regards,
Matt B in Oswego, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Matt Beecher]

I have wheels with both of those rims.  I vastly prefer Atlas, if you can 
source them.  The A23 is my go-to rim if I want tires in the 33mm or less 
range.  I like Atlas for bigger rims, but I find I generally don't exceed 
38mm for anything.  

I don't really like my Dyad rims, but that might just be my aesthetic 
opinion casting an overall negative view of them.  

I have some Pacenti rims, but I bet they are the old ones that had a 
failure issue.  So far, they are still going strong and I like them well 
enough.  

Best regards,
Matt B in Oswego, IL



On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 10:18:39 AM UTC-6 John G. wrote:

> I ended up deciding to buy a Homer complete. Crashed my wet-weather bike 
> last Monday and separated my shoulder. Took it as a sign that I need fatter 
> tires and more stable handling. I have an 90 pbh and I'm going with a 58, 
> which surprised me, since I would've been a 61.5 last time. Worried it'll 
> be too small, but I trust Riv. I'm thinking about albastaches or drops, but 
> I do intend to take this on longer event rides, so I want to be sure the 
> bars work for that. I have mustaches on my Quickbeam and I love them for 
> rides up to 40-50 miles.
>
> I've never actually bought a complete from Riv, so I'm excited about the 
> spec'ing process. Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? Albastaches or Noodles? Which 
> crank? 
>
> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know why one might sell a perfectly fine 58cm homer with 650b 
>> tires (bought almost 3 years ago) and get one of these new 54.5cm with 700c 
>> tires and downtube bosses? 
>>
>> Ok, I admit it, it's me. I have a 58 cm, 650b'd homer. My pbh is 87,  the 
>> 58 is just a tad long for me if I want to run noodles but it is an 
>> otherwise ideal commuter with chaco bars. But I am for some reason very 
>> tempted by the newer frame. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:21:51 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oooops, 2019 specs.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>>
 I saw it after Eric and it basically looks like the 2919 specs.  Same 
 standover, same chainstay.  I am tempted but not quite ready as the 
 Bleriot 
 may be a better compliment to my Hillborne.   

 On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:56 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo of 
> a big geo chart written on cardboard. 
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been 
>> cleared of charts and says...
>>
>> "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call 
>> us with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.
>>
>> -will"
>>
>> It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 
>>> 2019.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>>
 What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just 
> short of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem 
> on the 
> way...
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
>> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy 
>> if I 
>> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Have you considered Pacenti Brevet? I also pre-ordered homer and Rich 
recommended them to me. I am going to set it up tubeless with 48 mm RH 
Oracle Ridge. 
On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:18:39 AM UTC-8 John G. wrote:

> I ended up deciding to buy a Homer complete. Crashed my wet-weather bike 
> last Monday and separated my shoulder. Took it as a sign that I need fatter 
> tires and more stable handling. I have an 90 pbh and I'm going with a 58, 
> which surprised me, since I would've been a 61.5 last time. Worried it'll 
> be too small, but I trust Riv. I'm thinking about albastaches or drops, but 
> I do intend to take this on longer event rides, so I want to be sure the 
> bars work for that. I have mustaches on my Quickbeam and I love them for 
> rides up to 40-50 miles.
>
> I've never actually bought a complete from Riv, so I'm excited about the 
> spec'ing process. Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? Albastaches or Noodles? Which 
> crank? 
>
> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know why one might sell a perfectly fine 58cm homer with 650b 
>> tires (bought almost 3 years ago) and get one of these new 54.5cm with 700c 
>> tires and downtube bosses? 
>>
>> Ok, I admit it, it's me. I have a 58 cm, 650b'd homer. My pbh is 87,  the 
>> 58 is just a tad long for me if I want to run noodles but it is an 
>> otherwise ideal commuter with chaco bars. But I am for some reason very 
>> tempted by the newer frame. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:21:51 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oooops, 2019 specs.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>>
 I saw it after Eric and it basically looks like the 2919 specs.  Same 
 standover, same chainstay.  I am tempted but not quite ready as the 
 Bleriot 
 may be a better compliment to my Hillborne.   

 On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 4:56 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> J Stern -- Look at the image gallery on the Homer page. Has a photo of 
> a big geo chart written on cardboard. 
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good news...the place on the website where the charts has been 
>> cleared of charts and says...
>>
>> "We're working on this - what we had was hopelessly outdated.  Call 
>> us with questions at 800-345-3918 <(800)%20345-3918>.
>>
>> -will"
>>
>> It'll be nice to see some updated charts. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:29:23 PM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see the one they posted with the frame, basically the same as 
>>> 2019.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5 J S wrote:
>>>
 What updated charts, I just see the 2019.  

 On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just 
> short of fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem 
> on the 
> way...
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still 
>> available.  There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy 
>> if I 
>> wanted a fancy albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Hi Liang,
Have you considered Pacenti Brevet? I also pre-ordered homer and Rich 
recommended them to me. I am going to set it up tubeless with 48 mm RH 
Oracle Ridge. 

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:43:50 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? - Neither - Quills are lighter and take a wider 
> tire and are supposed to be stronger than A23s.
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 11:18:39 AM UTC-5 John G. wrote:
>
>> I ended up deciding to buy a Homer complete. Crashed my wet-weather bike 
>> last Monday and separated my shoulder. Took it as a sign that I need fatter 
>> tires and more stable handling. I have an 90 pbh and I'm going with a 58, 
>> which surprised me, since I would've been a 61.5 last time. Worried it'll 
>> be too small, but I trust Riv. I'm thinking about albastaches or drops, but 
>> I do intend to take this on longer event rides, so I want to be sure the 
>> bars work for that. I have mustaches on my Quickbeam and I love them for 
>> rides up to 40-50 miles.
>>
>> I've never actually bought a complete from Riv, so I'm excited about the 
>> spec'ing process. Send ideas! Dyads or A23s? Albastaches or Noodles? Which 
>> crank? 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Riv's seat post bolt diameter needed

[Roberta]

Thanks, Ben!

Roberta

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> M6 (that takes a 5mm hex).
>
> -Ben
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:41 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> What is the seat post bolt diameter that Rivendell uses?  I have a MIT A 
>> Homer Hilsen and a Platypus.  To my eye, it looks like 6mm.  I cannot find 
>> my calipers. 
>>
>> I'm getting Hexlox for saddle and seat post, but do not know which size 
>> to order for seat post-- 6mm or 8mm .   
>> https://hexlox.com/pages/protect-integrated-seat-post-clamps
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Riv's seat post bolt diameter needed

[Ben Mihovk]

M6 (that takes a 5mm hex).

-Ben

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:41 AM Roberta  wrote:

> What is the seat post bolt diameter that Rivendell uses?  I have a MIT A
> Homer Hilsen and a Platypus.  To my eye, it looks like 6mm.  I cannot find
> my calipers.
>
> I'm getting Hexlox for saddle and seat post, but do not know which size to
> order for seat post-- 6mm or 8mm .
> https://hexlox.com/pages/protect-integrated-seat-post-clamps
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
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[RBW] Re: Riv's seat post bolt diameter needed

[Roberta]

More correctly, M6 or M8?

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 10:41:06 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> What is the seat post bolt diameter that Rivendell uses?  I have a MIT A 
> Homer Hilsen and a Platypus.  To my eye, it looks like 6mm.  I cannot find 
> my calipers. 
>
> I'm getting Hexlox for saddle and seat post, but do not know which size to 
> order for seat post-- 6mm or 8mm .   
> https://hexlox.com/pages/protect-integrated-seat-post-clamps
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
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[RBW] Riv's seat post bolt diameter needed

[Roberta]

What is the seat post bolt diameter that Rivendell uses?  I have a MIT A 
Homer Hilsen and a Platypus.  To my eye, it looks like 6mm.  I cannot find 
my calipers. 

I'm getting Hexlox for saddle and seat post, but do not know which size to 
order for seat post-- 6mm or 8mm .   
https://hexlox.com/pages/protect-integrated-seat-post-clamps

Thanks,
Roberta

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Re: [RBW] FS: Alabastache, Pearl Stem, Sugino PX, more

[Johnny Alien]

I apologize for not listing the length. That said the crankset has been 
sold. The albastache and pearl stem are also gone. The shifter and 
derailler set is still available.  It would make a perfect set to go with 
my 650B wheelset I have for sale. I could make an attractive set sale for 
those together if someone is interested.

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 10:23:10 AM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Jonathan, just for clarification is the Sugino 175? 
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:09:05 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Shoot me an email Eric and they are yours.
>>
>> The PX crankset is sold
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:40:51 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll take the Albastache!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, Johnny Alien  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here is what i have left from my Saluki. I would love to move it along 
 quickly so feel free to make an offer.

- Albastache Handlebars 26 Clamp - $75 shipped
- Nitto Pearl 60 Stem - $60 shipped
- Sugino PX (& triple rings 48/38/26) - $90 shipped
- Suntour XC Pro DT Shifters and Derailers - $80 shipped total

 Everything is in good shape the crankset has some minor wear to the 
 logo but no issues. I can send some photos if you want. The Sugino PX is a 
 cool crankset that can be set up as triple double or single. Here is some 
 info.


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Re: [RBW] FS: Alabastache, Pearl Stem, Sugino PX, more

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jonathan, just for clarification is the Sugino 175? 

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 9:09:05 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Shoot me an email Eric and they are yours.
>
> The PX crankset is sold
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:40:51 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I’ll take the Albastache!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> Here is what i have left from my Saluki. I would love to move it along 
>>> quickly so feel free to make an offer.
>>>
>>>- Albastache Handlebars 26 Clamp - $75 shipped
>>>- Nitto Pearl 60 Stem - $60 shipped
>>>- Sugino PX (& triple rings 48/38/26) - $90 shipped
>>>- Suntour XC Pro DT Shifters and Derailers - $80 shipped total
>>>
>>> Everything is in good shape the crankset has some minor wear to the logo 
>>> but no issues. I can send some photos if you want. The Sugino PX is a cool 
>>> crankset that can be set up as triple double or single. Here is some info.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2008/08/sugino-px-cranks-available-again.html
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Re: [RBW] FS: Alabastache, Pearl Stem, Sugino PX, more

[Johnny Alien]

Shoot me an email Eric and they are yours.

The PX crankset is sold

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:40:51 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> I’ll take the Albastache!
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> Here is what i have left from my Saluki. I would love to move it along 
>> quickly so feel free to make an offer.
>>
>>- Albastache Handlebars 26 Clamp - $75 shipped
>>- Nitto Pearl 60 Stem - $60 shipped
>>- Sugino PX (& triple rings 48/38/26) - $90 shipped
>>- Suntour XC Pro DT Shifters and Derailers - $80 shipped total
>>
>> Everything is in good shape the crankset has some minor wear to the logo 
>> but no issues. I can send some photos if you want. The Sugino PX is a cool 
>> crankset that can be set up as triple double or single. Here is some info.
>>
>>
>> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2008/08/sugino-px-cranks-available-again.html
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[lconley]

I have changed to using Veloplugs on all of my wheels (tubeless would be an 
insane maintenance nightmare on 20+ bicycles). I put them on all of my new 
wheels and change to them on old wheels whenever I remove a tire for some 
reason. They are lighter than cloth rim tape, easier to install and 
reusable. They seem to be slicker than rim tape so it is easier to center 
the tire on the low center of the rim which makes the tire easier to 
mount/dismount. 

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:16:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty 
> can be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down 
> to technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I 
> changed to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it 
> and comes in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a 
> slight overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the 
> middle groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than 
> the bead shelf.  
>
> Here's some videos that show it. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling Network,
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @ 
> Velcoity\ 
>
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the 
>> rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
>> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run 
>> 35mm tires.
>>
>> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for 
>> rims that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now 
>> it seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I 
>> should be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims. 
>> Also, is there anything else I should check out?
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Alabastache, Pearl Stem, Sugino PX, more

[Eric Daume]

I’ll take the Albastache!

Eric

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Here is what i have left from my Saluki. I would love to move it along
> quickly so feel free to make an offer.
>
>- Albastache Handlebars 26 Clamp - $75 shipped
>- Nitto Pearl 60 Stem - $60 shipped
>- Sugino PX (& triple rings 48/38/26) - $90 shipped
>- Suntour XC Pro DT Shifters and Derailers - $80 shipped total
>
> Everything is in good shape the crankset has some minor wear to the logo
> but no issues. I can send some photos if you want. The Sugino PX is a cool
> crankset that can be set up as triple double or single. Here is some info.
>
> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2008/08/sugino-px-cranks-
> available-again.html
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[RBW] FS: Alabastache, Pearl Stem, Sugino PX, more

[Johnny Alien]

Here is what i have left from my Saluki. I would love to move it along 
quickly so feel free to make an offer.

   - Albastache Handlebars 26 Clamp - $75 shipped
   - Nitto Pearl 60 Stem - $60 shipped
   - Sugino PX (& triple rings 48/38/26) - $90 shipped
   - Suntour XC Pro DT Shifters and Derailers - $80 shipped total

Everything is in good shape the crankset has some minor wear to the logo 
but no issues. I can send some photos if you want. The Sugino PX is a cool 
crankset that can be set up as triple double or single. Here is some info.

https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2008/08/sugino-px-cranks-available-again.html

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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Ben Mihovk]

Nice 58cm Sam with Dyno on eBay. It's in the Bay area...with all the 
extras, I think it's a great deal. No affiliation with the seller here. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/284548084495?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=87a9e36b60454493938906df70f8a1ec&bu=43091514547&ut=RU&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20211130055429&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid



On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:04:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 62cm Sam
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Garth]

Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty can 
be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down to 
technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I changed 
to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it and comes 
in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a slight 
overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the middle 
groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than the bead 
shelf.  

Here's some videos that show it. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling Network,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @ 
Velcoity\ 

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the 
> rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run 
> 35mm tires.
>
> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for rims 
> that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now it 
> seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I should 
> be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims. Also, 
> is there anything else I should check out?
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>

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