Re: [RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[Jeffrey Arita]

This discussion is timely.  We've been using bar ends for so long now that 
shifting becomes instinctual.  However, I do use pretty decent sized 'U' 
cable housing so that shifting is smooth.  The housing/cabling can get in 
the way of handlebar bags, and as some have noted, it doesn't look the best 
although it is functional.

I just might try Steven's suggestion.  Thanks everyone,

Happy Holidays!

Jeff
Claremont, CA

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 4:45:22 PM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> After many years of riding nothing but bar end shifters, I have switched 
> to stem mounted shifters and find them very easy and convenient. They have 
> a simple cable run, especially if your cables run onnyour downtube. Either 
> hand can shift either derailleur. Worth considering. Steve
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:04 PM  wrote:
>
>> Years back I bought a used Rambouillet that came to me with down tube 
>> shifters. I rode it that way for a while just to see what I thought of them 
>> after at least a decade since the last time I used them.
>>
>> I can’t say they were horrible but I much prefer bar mounted shifters 
>> since they make shifting easier and safer. I do like the look and the ease 
>> of setup of down tube shifters but the ergonomics are lacking for me. I 
>> ride a 58-60 cm frame.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:01 AM, atreya...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer 
>> build. I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
>> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
>> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
>> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
>> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
>> groups thoughts and experience. 
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Re: [RBW] New to me Saluki is in

[David Hays]

You're very welcome. Enjoy.
The paint scheme is almost exactly the colours of my 2020 Mercian.
What size tires does it take?

David

> On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:59 PM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you David.  
> 
> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 1:46:37 PM UTC-5 David Hays wrote:
> Beautiful bike and build Joel.
> 
> David
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:12 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> > front.jpg>Thanks to Johnny Alien I was able to get this frame
> 
>> 
>> sorry for the poor photo quality but the basement lighting is poor. here is 
>> a quick look.
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[RBW] Re: New to me Saluki is in

[Jeffrey Arita]

Joel,

Gorgeous bike!  Perfect to end the year and to begin a new one.  Enjoy it!

Best regards,

Jeff 
Claremont, CA

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:12:30 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:

> [image: Saluki TA Zephyr.jpg][image: Saluki side raw.jpg][image: Saluki 
> side back.jpg][image: Saluki front.jpg]Thanks to Johnny Alien I was able 
> to get this frame
>
> sorry for the poor photo quality but the basement lighting is poor. here 
> is a quick look.
>
> [image: Saluki.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: New to me Saluki is in

[Joe Bernard]

That's pretty! One of the nicest frames Riv ever did. 



On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:12:30 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:

> [image: Saluki TA Zephyr.jpg][image: Saluki side raw.jpg][image: Saluki 
> side back.jpg][image: Saluki front.jpg]Thanks to Johnny Alien I was able 
> to get this frame
>
> sorry for the poor photo quality but the basement lighting is poor. here 
> is a quick look.
>
> [image: Saluki.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[Steven Sweedler]

After many years of riding nothing but bar end shifters, I have switched to
stem mounted shifters and find them very easy and convenient. They have a
simple cable run, especially if your cables run onnyour downtube. Either
hand can shift either derailleur. Worth considering. Steve

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:04 PM  wrote:

> Years back I bought a used Rambouillet that came to me with down tube
> shifters. I rode it that way for a while just to see what I thought of them
> after at least a decade since the last time I used them.
>
> I can’t say they were horrible but I much prefer bar mounted shifters
> since they make shifting easier and safer. I do like the look and the ease
> of setup of down tube shifters but the ergonomics are lacking for me. I
> ride a 58-60 cm frame.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:01 AM, atreya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build.
> I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how
> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non
> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also
> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find
> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear
> groups thoughts and experience.
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Re: [RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[rltilley]

Years back I bought a used Rambouillet that came to me with down tube shifters. 
I rode it that way for a while just to see what I thought of them after at 
least a decade since the last time I used them.

I can’t say they were horrible but I much prefer bar mounted shifters since 
they make shifting easier and safer. I do like the look and the ease of setup 
of down tube shifters but the ergonomics are lacking for me. I ride a 58-60 cm 
frame.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:01 AM, atreya...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> 
> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build. I 
> like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non racing 
> and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also considering 
> going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find downtube 
> comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear groups 
> thoughts and experience.
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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs Downtube

[Joe Bernard]

DT for front is great because it's an occasional reach for one or two big 
shifts but I've never gotten along well with it for the rear, I run my bars 
too high for the reach to work for me. It's probably fine if your bars are 
at or below saddle level. 

Joe Bernard

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 11:01:06 AM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build. 
> I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
> groups thoughts and experience.

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Re: [RBW] New to me Saluki is in

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you David.  

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 1:46:37 PM UTC-5 David Hays wrote:

> Beautiful bike and build Joel.
>
> David
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:12 AM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>  front.jpg>Thanks to Johnny Alien I was able to get this frame
>
>
> sorry for the poor photo quality but the basement lighting is poor. here 
> is a quick look.
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs Downtube

[aeroperf]

Downtube shifters have the advantage of simplicity and a shorter cable run.
However, they are most useful for road bikes with very aggressive riding 
position - where the seat is a good bit higher than the bars, and you can 
just move your hand to the downtube without bending farther.

Bar ends are a plus for more upright riding positions.
Look at it this way.  If you have to bend further to shift downtubes, 
whether riding drop or straight bars, then you really should be using bar 
ends.
Nothing says “missed shift” like having to change your riding position or 
(horrors) actually look for a shifter in the middle of a shift.

And… I live on a “relatively flat” bicycle trail, yet find myself shifting 
all the time.  With my road bike, not very aggressive position, downtube 
shifters, it is a pain to take one hand off the bars, bend over, and reach 
for the shifter.  That’s even if I’m riding the drops.  With my Sam and bar 
ends I just slide my hand back and use the heel of my palm, or little 
finger, to shift without losing my grip or bending over.
On my Homer, I used thumb shifters.  For me, not as comfortable as bar 
ends, but at least I didn't have to take my hand off the bars or my eyes 
off where I was going.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs Downtube

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

I wholeheartedly agree with the honorable Mike Packard. I have DT shifters
on my Atlantis, Hillborne and Jitensha Ebisu.

Ahmed in San Mateo CA

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 11:35 AM Mike Packard  wrote:

> I have DT on my Homer and like it for the following reasons
>
> - it makes me shift about 17% less often, which encourages more dynamic
> riding
> - as a perpetual handlebar switcher it just makes it a lot easier to not
> have to move shifters around
> - cleaner looks / less clutter up front. this is pretty minor to me but I
> do appreciate it sometimes
> - downflipped shifters won't bonk the top tube when the bars inevitable
> rotate too far
>
> Mike
> Austin
>
> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 1:01:06 PM UTC-6 atreya...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build.
>> I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how
>> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non
>> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also
>> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find
>> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear
>> groups thoughts and experience.
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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs Downtube

[Mike Packard]

I have DT on my Homer and like it for the following reasons

- it makes me shift about 17% less often, which encourages more dynamic 
riding 
- as a perpetual handlebar switcher it just makes it a lot easier to not 
have to move shifters around 
- cleaner looks / less clutter up front. this is pretty minor to me but I 
do appreciate it sometimes
- downflipped shifters won't bonk the top tube when the bars inevitable 
rotate too far

Mike
Austin

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 1:01:06 PM UTC-6 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build. 
> I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
> groups thoughts and experience.

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[RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[atreya...@gmail.com]

I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build. I 
like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
“inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
groups thoughts and experience.

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Re: [RBW] New to me Saluki is in

[David Hays]

Beautiful bike and build Joel.

David

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> 
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[RBW] From One Curious Photo . . . .

[Garth]

  So this AM I was meandering some cycling photos on Flickr, specifically 
an "old cycling photos" group. As I'm scrolling down I notice a news photo 
titled "Wheeling Around Europe", which caught my eye as I know of one one 
such use for the word and that is the name of the nearby city in West 
Virginia. It's about a woman named June Jenkins who was travelling Europe 
by bicycle.

 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8729526@N02/2371818339/in/album-72157625141981687/

 That had me curious of there was any other reference to her online, and 
sure enough I search "June Jenkins" cycling, and I see a reference to a 
June J. Siple, Missoula, and the Adventure Cycling Association. So I search 
for "June Siple" cycling cyclist, and under the photos I come across a link 
for our Cyclofriend Jim titled "ivendell Reader #42", yes the R is missing. 
So as I'm reading the reader I remember that one as it includes the article 
about Freddie Freeman. Down the pages I come to page 30 and there is big 
write up about June and her husband Greg's Hemistour they rode in 1973. 

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR42_web.pdf

No link to the original Nat. Geo article, but found these .

http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/201105_SweatingtheYukon_Siple.pdf

https://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20160401_NatGeo_Siple.pdf

https://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/201205_ShakedownAlaska_JuneSiple.pdf

Here's pic of the same bike she had in that 1970 photo and the Hemistour 
1973, a Peugot PX-10. . laughing with the joy of skinny tires ! Note 
the neat drivetrain modification. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adventurecycling/4109943813/

So it turns out June and Greg are among the co-founders of the American 
Adventure Association. Small world, from a reference to "Wheeling" all the 
way back here. "As the World Turns" . all turns lead Home. 

Thanks for reading, and for being here, there and everywhere you are . 

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