[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Joe Bernard]

I respect your decision to buy a new bike for your upcoming new bag 

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:38 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful replies. 
> Being my first post, it didn't appear for several days and I sort of lost 
> track of this thread. Next thing you know it's a month later and I found 
> all of your great answers. Haven't bought a bag yet, but it will surely be 
> one of the ones mentioned here. Delayed the purchase as I'm thinking of 
> buying a new bike first :)
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-6 Drw wrote:
>
>> Another vote for BagsXbird. I was a perennial saddlebag switcher for 
>> years, but my small bxb bag hasn't left the bike since i got it. I also 
>> bought a bigger one for overnights/touring. They are expensive but the 
>> quality is phenomenal and he's really solved/added some cool and useful 
>> details to the standard design. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:58:11 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I was unaware that there were Alps in Australia.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:00:50 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 For a reasonable size saddlebag that needs no rack underneath, the BXB 
 bags are pretty nice, but also quite expensive They come provided with a 
 stiffener inside, a piece of dowel to prevent the sides of the bag coming 
 forward into contact with your legs, and also a nylon strap with hook that 
 attaches from top to bottom of the centre of the opening to prevent the 
 middle of the bag sagging onto the tyre when loaded. Here's the one I have:
 [image: IMG_20200726_180051.jpg]

 For greater capacity, I use a Carradice Camper Longflap hanging off a 
 Nitto R50 saddlebag grip and with a Nitto saddlebag rack underneath. That 
 holds enough for a several day long tour if I'm staying in hotels/motels. 
 Here it is loaded up for such a tour in the Australian Alps:
 [image: IMG_0102.JPG]

 Nick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Joe Bernard]

Did you do the super-long cables thing? You should be able to have them 
come straight forward from the bottom run of the bars, then loop back under 
the basket. Picture two cables looping out pretty far forward; I've tried 
the "keep em short and out of the way" version and it doesn't work, I liked 
them long and floppy where they would gently flop away from any load 
pressing on them*

*I have no idea if this makes sense. 



On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>
> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>
> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>
> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had previously 
> used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I have a 
> front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were always 
> getting in the way of the front stuff.
>
> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
> configurations.
>
> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
> should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>
> Let's chat!
> Ben
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Chris Buzzini]

Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very soon! 
I'll let y'all know how they ride. 

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
wrote:

> Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on the 
> Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie Pass 
>> rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.
>>
>> I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I had 
>> with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet stuff.
>>
>> I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only rides, 
>> but I like it for what I've done so far 
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding off 
>>> road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam. Certainly 
>>> there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining the nuances. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
 Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
 There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth with 
 a knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
 Scott - Amherst MA
 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires 
> on my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well 
> off-road. Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often 
> really 
> wet as well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those 
> slippery conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike 
> honestly seems like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind 
> of 
> which tire I preferred.  
>
> Andrew 
> TN
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers <
> greentea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing 
>> tires (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads 
>> are a 
>> mix of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single 
>> track. I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from 
>> road, can you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? 
>> I'm considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher 
>> Pass 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>>
>> Thx!
>> Scott - Amherst MA
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
>>> Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence 
>>> braking 
>>> and cornering. 
>>> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and 
>>> the Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't 
>>> go 
>>> back to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Seeking rim input

[iamkeith]

I just got a set of velo orange voyager rims for my saluki.  I don't see a 
lot of praise for them  - maybe because they are fairly new - but I am 
pleased with the quality.  At least from a visual standpoint (Haven'tridden 
them yet.)  Nice tight joint, beautifully polished, and have eyelets which 
is a priority to me.  It was pretty difficult mounting tires (hetres) on 
them, but that's probably a function of tubless fit requirements, and Im 
using tubes. Maybe they'll stretch after the first time.  I think these 
42mm tires are about as narrow as you'd want.  50mm should be perfect.

Best thing is that they're inexpensive and available - unlike the brevit 
rims which are also nice, but narrower, lighter and less stiff.

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 7:53:57 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> The other Velocity option is the Quill. It’s lighter but I think they 
> suggest 47mm tires max.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 24, 2022, at 8:51 PM, vernon brooks  wrote:
>
> Hello everyone hope you've all enjoyed a casual ride this weekend!
>
>
> I'm looking for some input on rims. I recently purchased a Bombadil from a 
> member on here and am planning on having new wheels built up. After 
> enduring a painful wait I have received my rear hub from White Industries 
> front will have a generator. Thankfully they were ahead of the initial 
> estimated wait time. I have a set of 48mm RH knobbies that I plan on 
> running once the wheels are build but might switch it up.  
>
> What 650B rims are you running these days? 
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Vern
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Re: [RBW] Going around in circles with shifters.

[Jay Lonner]

Stem shifters using the IRD mount is one option:

https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/product/54020-ird-shifter-mount-quill-stem-microshift-3884?search=shifter

I ran these for a while, didn’t love them. The band clamp broke eventually, 
which struck me as a design flaw (though it’s been suggested on this forum that 
I may have overtightened it).

There’s no reason you can’t run thumbshifters on a drop bar, I’d probably mount 
them right next the stem clamp, a la brake interrupter levers.

Maybe you could find a pair of Kelly Take-Offs on eBay or something? Never 
tried those myself, but have always been curious about them.

Sounds like you might be happiest with brifters though, if you’re OK with 
indexed shifting.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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> On Aug 24, 2022, at 6:48 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
> 
> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
> 
> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
> 
> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was kind 
> of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the simplicity 
> and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
> 
> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had previously 
> used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I have a front 
> Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were always getting in 
> the way of the front stuff.
> 
> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is pretty 
> bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other configurations.
> 
> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
> should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
> 
> Let's chat!
> Ben
> 
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Re: [RBW] Seeking rim input

[Richard Rose]

The other Velocity option is the Quill. It’s lighter but I think they suggest 
47mm tires max.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2022, at 8:51 PM, vernon brooks  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone hope you've all enjoyed a casual ride this weekend!
> 
> I'm looking for some input on rims. I recently purchased a Bombadil from a 
> member on here and am planning on having new wheels built up. After enduring 
> a painful wait I have received my rear hub from White Industries front will 
> have a generator. Thankfully they were ahead of the initial estimated wait 
> time. I have a set of 48mm RH knobbies that I plan on running once the wheels 
> are build but might switch it up.  
> 
> What 650B rims are you running these days? 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Vern
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Re: [RBW] Seeking rim input

[Richard Rose]

I have the Velocity Cliffhangers and am happy with them. My 48mm tires work on 
these rims very well. I could certainly go wider. I think you will find a lot 
of love for Cliffhangers here.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2022, at 8:51 PM, vernon brooks  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone hope you've all enjoyed a casual ride this weekend!
> 
> I'm looking for some input on rims. I recently purchased a Bombadil from a 
> member on here and am planning on having new wheels built up. After enduring 
> a painful wait I have received my rear hub from White Industries front will 
> have a generator. Thankfully they were ahead of the initial estimated wait 
> time. I have a set of 48mm RH knobbies that I plan on running once the wheels 
> are build but might switch it up.  
> 
> What 650B rims are you running these days? 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Vern
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[RBW] Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.

I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.

My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 

After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had previously 
used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I have a 
front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were always 
getting in the way of the front stuff.

So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
configurations.

So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?

Let's chat!
Ben


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[RBW] Re: Seeking rim input

[ascpgh]

Pacenti Brevets have worked well for me, for two years so far. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 8:51:15 PM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hello everyone hope you've all enjoyed a casual ride this weekend!
>
> I'm looking for some input on rims. I recently purchased a Bombadil from a 
> member on here and am planning on having new wheels built up. After 
> enduring a painful wait I have received my rear hub from White Industries 
> front will have a generator. Thankfully they were ahead of the initial 
> estimated wait time. I have a set of 48mm RH knobbies that I plan on 
> running once the wheels are build but might switch it up.  
>
> What 650B rims are you running these days? 
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Vern
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Max S]

As many / most of you know, carbon fiber composites have been in structural 
applications in aerospace and other fields for decades. That said, the 
frequency and thoroughness of regular inspections (and replacement) carried 
out in those applications is perhaps beyond what a typical cyclist is 
willing to do. But here's a couple of nice videos that demonstrate the 
durability of CF bike parts: 

Danny MacAskill Tests Santa Cruz Reserve Carbon Wheels: 
https://youtu.be/VfjjiHGuHoc 

Carbon vs Aluminum Frames - Which is Stronger? (you can skip to 1:40 mark 
for start of tests)
https://youtu.be/w5eMMf11uhM 

But there are also examples of frames and wheels failing... like this one: 
https://youtu.be/NVkWlsbnUZ8 

Aluminum fails too, but for different reasons:  
https://youtu.be/qKeeHDuoFq8 

- Max "horses for courses & ride what you brung" in A2 

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 8:52:20 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Max, a clear and informative response. I didn't realize one could 
> save so much time at sub 18 mph.
>
> I've only dented 1 rim that I remember, back in about 1971 or 1972 when I 
> bashed a steel 27" rim by failing to dodge a pothole at the bottom of a 
> fast hill on the way to school, but it is good to know that CF rims can 
> outlast and outwear aluminum ones and at lighter weights; the Velocity 
> Blunt SS wheels on my (disc brake) dirt road bike are very light, but I've 
> thought of replacing them with an even lighter CF-rim pair (but thin crust 
> and not deep dish!) some day, especially since I could use the Blunts for a 
> wheelset for a long-wished-for Monocog replacement.
>
> As to weight, I've had a few heavy bikes that just felt easier to pedal in 
> given gears in given conditions; a mark of these was that I naturally 
> tended to ride at cruising speed on flats 1 cog smaller / 5 gear inches 
> bigger. But I never took any measurements.
>
> To respond to Andy's remarks, I myself tend to gauge "speed" by feel, 
> first by ease of pedaling as described, and distant second, smoothness of 
> tires (I qualify "smooth" by "tires" because I've had at least 1 noodle 
> frame that felt very plush but not particularly fast; not particularly 
> slow, but not especially fast -- ancient long wheelbase Raleigh Technium). 
> But I have never, ever thought a bike faster because of it felt rode rough 
> or buzzy. 
>
> So indeed, my criteria are largely sensory. But I'd still not baulk at 
> lighter and stronger rims.
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 10:10 PM Max S  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, 
>>
>> This is a deeply and widely explored topic. There are some numbers and 
>> graphs to look at here:  https://www.wheelscience.com/pages/aero-v-weight
>>  
>> In my personal experience, deep rims can save me ~10-20 watts, depending 
>> on how fast and where I ride. So, it can get me from 16.5 to 17.0 mph or to 
>> 17.5 mph average over a 50 mile ride on our local gravel roads, for 
>> example. 
>> If those rims are carbon, that nets a 1.3-1.5 kg wheelset that is both 
>> aerodynamic AND sturdy. If I try to hit that weight mark with aluminum 
>> rims, I get a less aerodynamic and a flimsier wheelset. 
>> Speaking for myself, the upshot of running deep dish carbon wheels is 
>> that they let me give up an hour of sleep the night before to keep up with 
>> my riding pal... But if you're riding by yourself, and your sleep hygiene 
>> is good, and you're eating right, and you're not checking the local 
>> rankings on various "segments" on Strava, it doesn't make much difference. 
>> Well, no, let me take that back. What I've discovered of late in riding 
>> gravel roads is that half of my aluminum rims have developed dents, whereas 
>> the carbon wheels have not. I'm not a particularly heavy rider and I like 
>> to think I'm a careful rider. But running the same size tires on carbon 
>> wheels seems to not result in the same number of dents. Now this will 
>> probably at some point turn into a chipped / delaminated section on that 
>> carbon rim, but for now, they seem to suffer fewer of those dents. 
>> Carbon frames and forks do save a significant amount of weight – expect 
>> about 2-3 lbs saved over a similarly sized steel frame & fork, especially 
>> from Rivendell. The weight is felt on the hills – about 10 seconds per mile 
>> of climbing at 4-5% gradients, in my experience, but I could be 
>> mis-remembering. It's easy to stick two extra 2-liter soda bottles in your 
>> saddlebag and test the effect quantitatively and qualitatively for yourself.
>> If the above makes me sound like a carbon apologist, I'll say that all my 
>> bikes have steel frames and forks, and most have aluminum rims. I just 
>> prefer those for now, for a variety of reasons. But sometimes I do ride 
>> carbon wheels and enjoy the looks and the very very slight speed benefits, 
>> and noticeable durability benefits for some aspects of my riding. 
>>
>> - Max "who should be working on getting more sleep rather than re-gluing 
>> 

[RBW] Re: 2021 Homer wheelbase numbers

[Danny Noonan]

Yeah I just hand-measured my new 61.5 Homer and got a similar measurement 
to Bones.

Damon, I think a Home would be excellent for the purposes you described. 
I've only had mine for a bit over a week but absolutely loving it so far. 
As far as randonneuring/Brevets go, I got the Homer in part to replace a 
Velo Orange Polyvalent after I did a 200km and found the VO to be a bit 
lacking in performance and just generally overbuilt for that type of riding 
(thicker tubes for loaded touring, stouter fork to accommodate the disc 
brakes, etc.). Haven't done a long distance ride on it yet but I've done a 
couple 20-30 miles rides and it's very noticeable how much more sprightly 
and responsive it is compared to the VO. Definitely think that, 
particularly at your weight, a Homer would have no problem doing 
double-duty as an S24O / light touring bike. That Clem H you have is 
awesome though and different enough that I'd be looking to keep both if you 
can (at least until you get that Atlantis)!

– Danny

Le lundi 15 août 2022 à 20:51:27 UTC-7, Bones a écrit :

> 61.5cm Homer (most recent batch) ~118.75cm wheelbase. The Homers have 
> definitely gotten longer faster than the Sams have. I found considerable 
> overlap (for my uses) between my Sam and Appaloosa. I no longer have the 
> Sam but I still have an Appaloosa. I now have a Homer as well. It has Paul 
> centerpulls and I wouldn't want any other type of brake on this bike. The 
> blue on this recent batch is out of this world.
>
> Bones
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:02:29 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> That's "Ive gotten quiet a few "yikes" with the Platy (and Appaloosa--not 
>> shown in pics) on bus racks."  I put the bikes on there to test the length 
>> and feasibility.  I wouldn't put the Platy on a rack if the bus was to 
>> move!  :)
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't realize the Homer got longer wheelbases last year.  I'm sure 
>>> someone here knows for sure.  I don't keep track too closely.
>>>
>>> So, here are my numbers for much smaller sized bikes  that I've ridden 
>>> or asked owners about, just to give you an idea between the bikes.  They 
>>> may not be exacting, but you'll get the idea.  BTW, my interest in 
>>> wheelbase length has to do with me being able to take bike on public 
>>> transportation bike racks.  I live in the city, so this is important to 
>>> me.  My two most favorite bikes are the Homer and Platy, so wheelbase 
>>> didn't correlate to "favorite."
>>>
>>> 54.5 Homer   43"
>>> 51 Appaloosa   45"
>>> 55 Cheviot 45 1/4" (or 45 1/2")
>>> 55 Platy 47"
>>> 52 Clem L  52" (I got to ride Leah's Bicycle Belle Ding Ding)
>>>
>>> And, yes, the blue color on Homer is lovely.
>>>
>>> I've gotten quite a few "yikes!" with that 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:04:19 PM UTC-4 Daman Kumar wrote:
>>>
 Well, *of course* I didn't actually attach the image. Here it is.

 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-7 Daman Kumar wrote:

> Hello, Rivsters,
>
> Has anyone here measured the wheelbase of their 61.5 cm Homer? I've 
> been meaning to replace my 59 cm Clem H with a shorter (emphasis on the 
> *er*) wheelbase-d bike for months now, and only just started actively 
> looking at options. The wheelbase is the only real complaint I have with 
> the Clem -- it is way too long to fit on a bus rack, which diminishes a 
> bike's utility for me.
>
> Given the increase in chainstay length for the 2021 model, I wanted to 
> check with the group if anyone has measured, or could measure, the 
> wheelbase of their 61.5 cm bike.
>
> I was originally considering picking up a Sam frame from the next 
> batch, but I do want to get an Atlantis a few years down the line as my 
> forever bike, and I felt there's a considerable overlap between the two. 
> I 
> intend to use the Homer as an S24O/bike-camping, go-fast (when not 
> bringing 
> groceries) bike. Randonneuring has interested me for a while, and it just 
> seems perfect (although, I don't think *I* would have much trouble using 
> a 
> Sam or Atlantis for brevets given I'm not really a fast rider). At under 
> 170 lbs. I believe it shouldn't be a problem. I digress.
>
> So... anybody?
>
> Clem tax: a picture on a typical PNW winter morning at Lake Sammamish
> P.S. How cool would a canti Homer be, eh?
>
> Daman "who would be a lot more open to a Sam in that *gorgeous* Homer 
> blue" Kumar
>


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[RBW] Re: Campagnolo Record 10-speed triple front derailleur 32mm clamp-on

[bob saunders]

Sold...thanks Russell.

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:32:41 PM UTC-4 bob saunders wrote:

> [image: image.jpg]Selling a Campagnolo Record 10-speed triple front 
> derailleur 32mm clamp-on that is excellent condition. $65 shipped or picked 
> up in Pittsburgh…thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Paul Racer M’s silver anodized center recessed mount brakes

[bob saunders]

Sold...thanks Eric.

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:32:41 PM UTC-4 bob saunders wrote:

> [image: image.jpg]I’m selling a pair of Paul Racer M’s silver anodized 
> center recessed mount brakes with cables, hangers and used Kool Stop pads 
> that are in excellent shape. $270 shipped for the pair or picked up in 
> Pittsburgh….thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Max, a clear and informative response. I didn't realize one could
save so much time at sub 18 mph.

I've only dented 1 rim that I remember, back in about 1971 or 1972 when I
bashed a steel 27" rim by failing to dodge a pothole at the bottom of a
fast hill on the way to school, but it is good to know that CF rims can
outlast and outwear aluminum ones and at lighter weights; the Velocity
Blunt SS wheels on my (disc brake) dirt road bike are very light, but I've
thought of replacing them with an even lighter CF-rim pair (but thin crust
and not deep dish!) some day, especially since I could use the Blunts for a
wheelset for a long-wished-for Monocog replacement.

As to weight, I've had a few heavy bikes that just felt easier to pedal in
given gears in given conditions; a mark of these was that I naturally
tended to ride at cruising speed on flats 1 cog smaller / 5 gear inches
bigger. But I never took any measurements.

To respond to Andy's remarks, I myself tend to gauge "speed" by feel, first
by ease of pedaling as described, and distant second, smoothness of tires
(I qualify "smooth" by "tires" because I've had at least 1 noodle frame
that felt very plush but not particularly fast; not particularly slow, but
not especially fast -- ancient long wheelbase Raleigh Technium). But I have
never, ever thought a bike faster because of it felt rode rough or buzzy.

So indeed, my criteria are largely sensory. But I'd still not baulk at
lighter and stronger rims.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 10:10 PM Max S  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> This is a deeply and widely explored topic. There are some numbers and
> graphs to look at here:  https://www.wheelscience.com/pages/aero-v-weight
> In my personal experience, deep rims can save me ~10-20 watts, depending
> on how fast and where I ride. So, it can get me from 16.5 to 17.0 mph or to
> 17.5 mph average over a 50 mile ride on our local gravel roads, for
> example.
> If those rims are carbon, that nets a 1.3-1.5 kg wheelset that is both
> aerodynamic AND sturdy. If I try to hit that weight mark with aluminum
> rims, I get a less aerodynamic and a flimsier wheelset.
> Speaking for myself, the upshot of running deep dish carbon wheels is that
> they let me give up an hour of sleep the night before to keep up with my
> riding pal... But if you're riding by yourself, and your sleep hygiene is
> good, and you're eating right, and you're not checking the local rankings
> on various "segments" on Strava, it doesn't make much difference.
> Well, no, let me take that back. What I've discovered of late in riding
> gravel roads is that half of my aluminum rims have developed dents, whereas
> the carbon wheels have not. I'm not a particularly heavy rider and I like
> to think I'm a careful rider. But running the same size tires on carbon
> wheels seems to not result in the same number of dents. Now this will
> probably at some point turn into a chipped / delaminated section on that
> carbon rim, but for now, they seem to suffer fewer of those dents.
> Carbon frames and forks do save a significant amount of weight – expect
> about 2-3 lbs saved over a similarly sized steel frame & fork, especially
> from Rivendell. The weight is felt on the hills – about 10 seconds per mile
> of climbing at 4-5% gradients, in my experience, but I could be
> mis-remembering. It's easy to stick two extra 2-liter soda bottles in your
> saddlebag and test the effect quantitatively and qualitatively for yourself.
> If the above makes me sound like a carbon apologist, I'll say that all my
> bikes have steel frames and forks, and most have aluminum rims. I just
> prefer those for now, for a variety of reasons. But sometimes I do ride
> carbon wheels and enjoy the looks and the very very slight speed benefits,
> and noticeable durability benefits for some aspects of my riding.
>
> - Max "who should be working on getting more sleep rather than re-gluing
> his tires" in A2
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:30:36 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Pretty Sotherland, and that's one of the most interesting head badges
>> I've seen. The motto in full is "Sans peur et sans reproche" -- "Without
>> fear and without blame" or generally, "Beyond fear and reproach," the motto
>> of the ideal knight of chivalry.
>>
>> I'm just asking this (of the group) and not reproaching: Do carbon fork
>> and aero carbon fiber wheels make that much of a difference over a good
>> steel fork and say lightweight tubulars or RH extralight clinchers at less
>> than race speeds?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 2:03 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Today was a women’s ride. 29 miles at over 16 mph, and it was great.
>>> Such a nice group of women. Many of them ride TO the ride, and then ride
>>> home again. I come from the opposite end of the city, so I am always stuck
>>> driving. Anyway, I have some photos but first let’s take a minute to
>>> appreciate this lugged, steel bike that belongs to my ride 

[RBW] Stripped-down, gofast fixed gear gravel grinder! Or, the magic of old-time single pivot brake calipers. And WTB: RH Naches Pass ELs.

[Patrick Moore]

Well, hallelujah! (Praise be to Jah, otherwise known as the Lord of Hosts.)
The 1999 Joe Starck gofast fixie custom Road, very nicely 2015 modified by
Chauncey Matthews with much longer dropouts, right seatstay chain hook, and
indispensable (high desert) second st bottle cage braze ons, *can take 559
X 42 mm Naches Pass extra lights *(41.5 mm on 21 mm OW EQ 21s; I'd
mount them on the '99-proper 19 mm OW Sun M14As, so perhaps 40 mm there.)

I didn't try the rear, but see the clearances; no problem there! The Elk
Passes measure 24 3/4" tall and 27-28 mm wide on the Suns, and there is
almost an inch under the ss bridge and at least half an inch plus surplus
on the sides. The NPs measure 75 6/10" tall.

Must place order for another couple of pairs of NP ELs, but before I do
that, does anyone have a pair or 2 of Naches Pass extralights in good
condition for sale?

Thanks, Patrick Moore, who hopes shortly to replace the 46t Pro 5 Vis
(46/15= 76" with flipside 17 = 67") with a 52 t Dura Ace GA 200 (52/17-19
Dingle = 76/66), which will very nicely give a 70" gear with the taller NPs.

---
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] Seeking rim input

[vernon brooks]

Hello everyone hope you've all enjoyed a casual ride this weekend!

I'm looking for some input on rims. I recently purchased a Bombadil from a 
member on here and am planning on having new wheels built up. After 
enduring a painful wait I have received my rear hub from White Industries 
front will have a generator. Thankfully they were ahead of the initial 
estimated wait time. I have a set of 48mm RH knobbies that I plan on 
running once the wheels are build but might switch it up.  

What 650B rims are you running these days? 

Thanks in advance,
Vern

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadeo

[R Olson]

Bump. $1800 plus packing and shipping.

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:15:35 AM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:

> Selling my Roadeo.  This is hands down the best bike I've ever owned.  
> I've never had a bike respond as quickly or be as smooth on the road.  
> Bought it off a lister a few years ago.  Switched out the handlbars for the 
> current noodles.  Frame is in great condition, however there are numerous 
> paint chips, common to Riv paint jobs.  Typical vintage Riv build. Asking 
> $2000 and buyer pays shipping/packing.
>
> Frame size: 61 cm.  My PBH is 91 and fits well.
> Velocity Twin Hollow, built by Rich, 36 spokes F/R, Shimano Tiagra Hubs
> Panaracer Gravelking slicks 40mm (yes they fit! - also have some jack 
> browns if you prefer those) 
> 48cm noodles
> Suntour bar end friction shifters
> Nitto S83 seat post
> Shimano R451 caliper brakes
> Sugino cranks
>
> Does not come with pedals, saddle or bag.
>
> Please contact me off list with questions or if you would like more 
> pictures.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
> [image: roadeo1.jpeg]
> [image: roadeo2.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Chris K]

Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful replies. 
Being my first post, it didn't appear for several days and I sort of lost 
track of this thread. Next thing you know it's a month later and I found 
all of your great answers. Haven't bought a bag yet, but it will surely be 
one of the ones mentioned here. Delayed the purchase as I'm thinking of 
buying a new bike first :)

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 1:33:41 PM UTC-6 Drw wrote:

> Another vote for BagsXbird. I was a perennial saddlebag switcher for 
> years, but my small bxb bag hasn't left the bike since i got it. I also 
> bought a bigger one for overnights/touring. They are expensive but the 
> quality is phenomenal and he's really solved/added some cool and useful 
> details to the standard design. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:58:11 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> I was unaware that there were Alps in Australia.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:00:50 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> For a reasonable size saddlebag that needs no rack underneath, the BXB 
>>> bags are pretty nice, but also quite expensive They come provided with a 
>>> stiffener inside, a piece of dowel to prevent the sides of the bag coming 
>>> forward into contact with your legs, and also a nylon strap with hook that 
>>> attaches from top to bottom of the centre of the opening to prevent the 
>>> middle of the bag sagging onto the tyre when loaded. Here's the one I have:
>>> [image: IMG_20200726_180051.jpg]
>>>
>>> For greater capacity, I use a Carradice Camper Longflap hanging off a 
>>> Nitto R50 saddlebag grip and with a Nitto saddlebag rack underneath. That 
>>> holds enough for a several day long tour if I'm staying in hotels/motels. 
>>> Here it is loaded up for such a tour in the Australian Alps:
>>> [image: IMG_0102.JPG]
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Chris Dedinsky]

Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on the 
Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

> I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie Pass 
> rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.
>
> I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what I had 
> with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet stuff.
>
> I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only rides, but 
> I like it for what I've done so far 
>
> Adam
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from riding off 
>> road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one Sam. Certainly 
>> there's a good bit of writing out there somewhere explaining the nuances. 
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
>>> There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth with a 
>>> knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
>>> Scott - Amherst MA
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
 Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires on 
 my Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well 
 off-road. 
 Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often really wet as 
 well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those slippery 
 conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike honestly seems 
 like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind of which tire I 
 preferred.  

 Andrew 
 TN

 On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers  
 wrote:

> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing tires 
> (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads are a mix 
> of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single 
> track. 
> I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from road, 
> can 
> you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? I'm 
> considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher Pass 
> 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>
> Thx!
> Scott - Amherst MA
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
>> Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence 
>> braking 
>> and cornering. 
>> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and 
>> the Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't 
>> go 
>> back to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS - 56 Rivendell Rambouillet ca. 2006

[Chris Balaschak]

PRICE DROP - $1600 (excl. boxing & shipping)



On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-4 Chris Balaschak wrote:

> Still here and the photo has been updated. Found an unused c17 brooks 
> saddle and some MKS pedals. Make an offer!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e8JozwRq4FaWFPX1A
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:27:53 AM UTC-4 Chris Balaschak wrote:
>
>> Second owner of this lovely ride, and my #3 riv. Just slightly too big 
>> for me, hence it sits more than any others. 
>>
>> Nitto seatpost, Nitto Technomic stem, nitto randonneur handlebars
>>
>> Dura Ace hubs on velocity rims, Jack Brown tires (700x33)
>>
>> Shimano deore crankset, Shimano FD, sunxd RD, hollowlink 10sp chain
>>
>> Shimano rim brakes and levers
>>
>> Components are generally in excellent condition, crankset is solid though 
>> logos are worn, frame has some scratches and wear as expected for a bike of 
>> this age, but nothing out of the ordinary
>>
>> Serial # RB1117
>>
>> Saddle, saddlebag, pump, and pedals excluded from sale 
>>
>> $2000
>>
>>
>> Buyer pays a shop to box and ship early August (Sprockets in St Aug, FL), 
>> or if you are along the 95, i may be passing you by in another week.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e8JozwRq4FaWFPX1A
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Shenandoah foothills

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi there Eric.  We just found a beautiful farmhouse to renovate that seems 
close to where this ride took place.  We are in Facquier County near the 
town of Orleans and can attest that for any ride, forecast 100 feet of 
climbing per mile.  I am interested in knowing more about your route, 
understanding that you did much of it by feel, and not via Strava or 
RidewithGPS.  Similarly, I can attest that using the same triple you 
formerly employed on your Sam gives me all the gearing needed, but does 
cause me to do a LOT of awkward shifting.  You solution with the compact is 
intriguing particularly since there is often little need for the higher 
gears on the large chainring - there are really no gradual hills out here; 
its either up or steep down.

When you write such a great piece it should be expected people will want to 
replicate it.  Thanks for doing it.

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Shenandoah Foothills
> 47 miles, 5,380 feet
> Clear. Low 60s in the morning, warming to the high 70s, humidity at 50% 
> and below. 
>
> August in Virginia is typically a warm and uncomfortable month with 
> average temperatures in the mid 80s and often creeping into the upper 90s. 
> Humidity is unpleasantly high as well. The past few weeks were particularly 
> oppressive with humidity averaging around 70% (and often much higher) and 
> temperatures reaching the 90s most days. These temps have forced the smart 
> riders to depart at first light, drenched to the bone before 8AM. 
>
> We had a break from all of that this weekend with temperatures dipping 
> into a realm of unseasonable deliciousness. Low humidity, a cool morning 
> starting in the high 50s and a max temperature around 80º had this Saturday 
> looking too good to pass by unridden. 
>
> I recently swapped out the drivetrain on my Hillborne. I had been running 
> a Sugino XD2 with a 48/36/24, a Shimano 11-36 9-speed cassette, a plain 
> silver Shimano Ultegra front mech and a Shimano Deore XT M771 rear 
> derailer. These worked just fine but I found the chainrings left me 
> shifting at awkward intervals and I'd been wanting to try a compact double. 
>
> So I changed in a SunXCD crank with 42/26 chainrings from TA Specialites 
> purchased from Jitensha Studio in Berkeley. Because I found the Shimano 
> mechs were too ugly for my liking I sought out a Suntour Cyclone GT rear 
> and a Cyclone front derailer. These lovely workhorses seemed more 
> appropriate for the bike. I installed one of the new S-Ride 7-speed 
> cassettes from Soma Fab Shop, made with input from Rivendell. The movement 
> and tooth capacity of the rear Cyclone didn't agree with a 9-speed 
> cassette. And I swapped my MKS XC-III bear-trap pedals for MKS Sylvan 
> Gorditos specified by Crust. The bear-traps were uncomfortable for my very 
> wide feet.
>
> A friend sent me a used set of Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires in the 
> extralight casing, which I hadn't tried before. I'd been running the same 
> in the standard casing for about a year. The new-to-me tires were buttery 
> smooth and I had no issues or flats during my ride. 
>
> Lately I have been enjoying Jobst Brandt's alpine tour reports with 
> sensational views, grand distances and unfathomable amounts of climbing. 
> I've also been reading Ray Hosler's collection of diaries from riding with 
> Brandt around the Santa Cruz Mountains in the 1980s. So inspired I made up 
> a route for myself that incorporated a few tough climbs on some of my 
> favorite roads. The length and elevation gain of my route doesn't compare 
> to their marathon rides.  
>
> From the start I began a three-mile climb over loose, unpaved road with 
> sections pitching up over 16% grade. I enjoy the challenge of making this 
> climb in one go but there is a shoulder with a wide mountain view that I 
> always end up stopping for. Pedaling up the climb, and some of the steepest 
> stuff I know, was manageable with my new gearing. I enjoy dumping the chain 
> from the 42-tooth to the 26-tooth ring when the going gets going. 
> Throughout the ride I had appropriate gearing to make it through without 
> much trouble. 
>
> [image: 20220813A 03.jpg]
>
> At the top of this hill, at an elevation of 1,300 feet, I took a rest for 
> some water. Though I had ridden fewer than four miles I decided to have 
> half of the sandwich I'd packed: peanut butter, banana, honey, coconut 
> flakes and salt on sourdough bread. As a fat burner I was worried how the 
> carbohydrates would treat me and concerned they would occasion bonking, 
> which I don't experience on rides. My engine runs best when I don't eat 
> bread, sugar, grain and the rest but I'd been craving a sandwich like this 
> for weeks. It was a pleasure and I suffered no ill effects. 
>
> As I started on my descent, my shirt damp with sweat, I was reminded of 
> how lovely the weather was. The air was cool and comfortable. Such a gift 
> and a relief from the weather 

Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[J.C. Bryant]

I actually ended up with Eric's XTR Rapid Rise mentioned in this post. I 
like fixing and tinkering so I figured I'd give it a shot. I've 
successfully fixed (i.e. manhandled) a few derailleurs that suffered from 
bent cages and I figured that might be the case with this one. There is 
definitely an alignment issue, but it's a bit more tricky this time around. 
There is a bit of play where the outer parallelogram attaches to the 
p-knuckle, specifically originating from one of the two pins making that 
connection. When cable tension is pulling against the spring, it appears to 
eliminate most (if not all) of the play, but with no cable tension 
whatsoever, the "play" comes into play, as the spring pushes the knuckle 
inward at a slight angle (against the pin in question), causing the cage to 
camber in a bit too close to the spokes for comfort. I imagine this is the 
result of normal wear-and-tear over 20+ years of its life. I have not had 
the time to sit down with it, but I imagine the only possible solution is 
to take to the offending pin with a hammer and nail punch to try and 
achieve a tighter connection (assuming the hole hasn't been too wallered 
out already). I will report back once I give it a go in case anyone is 
curious.

I like Rapid Rise. I picked up a NOS Deore 591 on eBay a while back. The 
seller had a few hundred of them available and I wish I'd snagged a couple 
more at that $35 price point. I think it shipped from Taiwan IIRC, but they 
are long gone now. Having recently purchased one of these new, I noticed 
Shimano packs them with the derailleur locked in a smaller-cog position 
using a little blue handle of sorts (this makes it look like a top-normal 
derailleur at first glance until the little blue piece is removed). I 
wonder if this was done purely to get it to fit in a smaller box or if 
there is any benefit to storing them in this way.

Regardless of the price, I will probably pick up at least one of Riv's RR 
derailleurs, purely out of respect for the gumption and determination 
required to undertake such a feat. Either way, it will surely be a cool 
thing to have and the mock-ups so far look really neat.

-J.C.
On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 9:35:15 AM UTC-5 Ginz wrote:

> I have always done rapid rise and I find that it provides the most benefit 
> with indexed shifting.  Beware of switching to rapid rise later in life.  
> You may be permanently confused  about which way to shift, whether you use 
> STI, rapid fire, grip shift, or thumbies.  With bar ends or any friction 
> setup, I find I can adapt easily between rapid and non-rapid rise for some 
> reason.  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:04:51 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Ha! Yeah I'm a little excessive with my cable run, its been a minute 
>> since I set this up. Haven't gotten caught on anything yet! 
>>
>> as far as the cassette goes, its a 9 spd shimano xt, 11-34/36 (can't 
>> remember exactly how big it is and I'm away from the bike, but in the 30's 
>> somewhere... I wanna say its the 36). I'm probably maxing out what the 
>> derailer is capable of in terms of size, I remember being a little 
>> concerned if it would work when I first put it on but its been smooth and 
>> no problems. 
>>
>> Also on the front end I'm using the riv silver jis square taper wide/low 
>> (38/24) double crankset, which I've been very pleased with as well both 
>> aesthetically and functionally. 
>>
>> -Stephen
>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 7:47:00 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen, that's the same XTR I had and parted with. What size is your 
>>> cassette? 
>>>
>>> I agree, my first ride with the rapid rise was not a religious 
>>> experience. 
>>>
>>> I think you can run a shorter piece of housing back there. I believe the 
>>> pivoting cable stop that feeds the cable pulley is designed to minimize the 
>>> run of cable and housing over the dropout. Eben Weiss/Bike Snob has the 
>>> same derailer as yours and posted something about running a longer, then 
>>> shorter piece of housing but now I can't find it. I did find a picture, 
>>> though. 
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-23 at 7.35.14 AM.png]
>>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 9:49:29 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-22 at 9.41.11 PM.png]
 I got this xtr at a swap meet last year and have been a big fan. Before 
 I was running a deore like the one in russ' video. This is on my 2020 
 appaloosa with riversed silver thumbie shifters currently set up on 
 bullmooses but I also swap out to loscos sometimes. I'm a big fan of it, 
 though I'd agree with path less pedaled in saying its not mind blowing. I 
 think it shifts great, I love the style of this era xtr. Haven't noticed 
 any issues yet in terms of the spring not giving a snappy enough shift, 
 but 
 I definitely have had the beneficial ghost shift going uphill in the 
 mountains since installing.

 Stephen
 On 

[RBW] Re: FS - 56 Rivendell Rambouillet ca. 2006

[Chris Balaschak]

SOLD

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-4 Chris Balaschak wrote:

> Still here and the photo has been updated. Found an unused c17 brooks 
> saddle and some MKS pedals. Make an offer!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e8JozwRq4FaWFPX1A
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:27:53 AM UTC-4 Chris Balaschak wrote:
>
>> Second owner of this lovely ride, and my #3 riv. Just slightly too big 
>> for me, hence it sits more than any others. 
>>
>> Nitto seatpost, Nitto Technomic stem, nitto randonneur handlebars
>>
>> Dura Ace hubs on velocity rims, Jack Brown tires (700x33)
>>
>> Shimano deore crankset, Shimano FD, sunxd RD, hollowlink 10sp chain
>>
>> Shimano rim brakes and levers
>>
>> Components are generally in excellent condition, crankset is solid though 
>> logos are worn, frame has some scratches and wear as expected for a bike of 
>> this age, but nothing out of the ordinary
>>
>> Serial # RB1117
>>
>> Saddle, saddlebag, pump, and pedals excluded from sale 
>>
>> $2000
>>
>>
>> Buyer pays a shop to box and ship early August (Sprockets in St Aug, FL), 
>> or if you are along the 95, i may be passing you by in another week.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e8JozwRq4FaWFPX1A
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring Bike

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just 1 bit of advice for the weight in a front bag & saddle bag for a 
Rivendell, I remember from a Grant P blog

Put the heavy items, tools, tubes, extra clothes, extra food, in the 
saddlebag .Put LIGHT items in the front bag, food until the next 
control *and* items you will want to get while moving *or* not 
dismounting. 

Since the Riv models have higher wheel flop (due to higher trail), keeping 
the load light upfront minimizes the effects of high wheel flop.  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 4:52:59 PM UTC-4 Dick Combs wrote:

> Looking for opinions/thoughts on the best Riv for Brevets, 200-400K rides. 
> Looking for current models as well as older models. Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[Jason Zakaras]

totally going off point but good to see so many cool/unique Rivendell bikes 
here in Nebraska!  Would love to get a ride together and see some of these 
beauts in person! 

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:01:07 PM UTC-5 malvar...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Thanks Ryan! Yep, it's a Toyo. I bought this as a stablemate to my Surly 
> Trucker and this bike surprised me by how much lighter and response it is. 
> It's unfortunately a little big so I need pass it along and find something 
> similar and smaller at some point.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 4:29:08 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Nice Atlantis though Looks like an earlier pre-Taiwanese one if I'm not 
>> mistaken...based on the not super-long chainstays. Looks like a nice build 
>> and I rather like that front bag
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:51:28 PM UTC-5 malvar...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have anything to add to the super cool Riv Mountain, but hello 
>>> fellow Nebraska Riv owners!   [image: IMG_2122.jpg] 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:39:51 PM UTC-5 CJ wrote:
>>>
 Gabriel, beautiful bike! I have to ask the perennial question: what 
 handlebar is that?

 Chris

 On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 3:09:24 PM UTC-4 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Hey Reginald,
> Fellow Mountain rider and Nebraskan here!  Thanks for posting about 
> your ride report and the photo of your setup!  
>
> I wonder if there's something in the air around here, because I was 
> also recently thinking my Mountain needed some attention, and took it out 
> of storage.  It was sitting around without wheels, so I had the bright 
> idea 
> to try a 650b conversion on it.  Fantastic!!! It is running BG Rock n 
> Roads 
> 43mm, plenty of clearance in the frame, and handling actually feels 
> improved.  (Previous tire was RH Rat Trap Passes.)  
>
> I'm the 3rd owner of mine, and it came to me with similar drivetrain 
> components-- triple Logic cranks, XC short cage rear der, and Suntour 
> mountain front der. Those are the only original parts that remain on 
> mine.  
> Are you the original owner of yours?  Thank you,
> -Gabe
> [image: Mountain1.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:58:11 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s the coolest! Love it’s mechanical features (matching 
>> suspensions!), and I’m glad to hear your mechanical was manageable.
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:35:11 PM UTC-4 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
>>> https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to 
>>> use the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a 
>>> bike 
>>> as possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and 
>>> the 
>>> Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job 
>>> fine. 
>>> Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side 
>>> came 
>>> loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got 
>>> it 
>>> hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so 
>>> remaining 
>>> miles of 42 back. 
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image00 (13).jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Mackenzy Albright]

I've been running an XTR rapid rise for 7+ years. I've found shifting to be 
much more intuitive. I generally pair with old parts (suntour barcons or 
silver shifters) and find less wander and accidental upshifts. The action 
feels substantially lighter and more accurate. In instances of missed 
shifts, broken cables, or any general mechanical issue it's easy to slop it 
to the highest possible gear to get to no interrupt a climb or rough 
terrain until things smooth out.  

I have an alivio on my new clem build and found it to feel stiff and 
touchy. It works fine. I do find it much much more difficult to emergency 
slap shift into the bail out in rough/steep terrain. I often just end up 
having to get off at that point which kills the momentum and mood - it 
takes more planning on the trail - but you get used to whatever you use. I 
think the rapid rise is a great concept for "hillibike" sort of riding for 
these reasons. for road riding I don't particularly care.  



On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 7:35:15 AM UTC-7 Ginz wrote:

> I have always done rapid rise and I find that it provides the most benefit 
> with indexed shifting.  Beware of switching to rapid rise later in life.  
> You may be permanently confused  about which way to shift, whether you use 
> STI, rapid fire, grip shift, or thumbies.  With bar ends or any friction 
> setup, I find I can adapt easily between rapid and non-rapid rise for some 
> reason.  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:04:51 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Ha! Yeah I'm a little excessive with my cable run, its been a minute 
>> since I set this up. Haven't gotten caught on anything yet! 
>>
>> as far as the cassette goes, its a 9 spd shimano xt, 11-34/36 (can't 
>> remember exactly how big it is and I'm away from the bike, but in the 30's 
>> somewhere... I wanna say its the 36). I'm probably maxing out what the 
>> derailer is capable of in terms of size, I remember being a little 
>> concerned if it would work when I first put it on but its been smooth and 
>> no problems. 
>>
>> Also on the front end I'm using the riv silver jis square taper wide/low 
>> (38/24) double crankset, which I've been very pleased with as well both 
>> aesthetically and functionally. 
>>
>> -Stephen
>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 7:47:00 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen, that's the same XTR I had and parted with. What size is your 
>>> cassette? 
>>>
>>> I agree, my first ride with the rapid rise was not a religious 
>>> experience. 
>>>
>>> I think you can run a shorter piece of housing back there. I believe the 
>>> pivoting cable stop that feeds the cable pulley is designed to minimize the 
>>> run of cable and housing over the dropout. Eben Weiss/Bike Snob has the 
>>> same derailer as yours and posted something about running a longer, then 
>>> shorter piece of housing but now I can't find it. I did find a picture, 
>>> though. 
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-23 at 7.35.14 AM.png]
>>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 9:49:29 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-22 at 9.41.11 PM.png]
 I got this xtr at a swap meet last year and have been a big fan. Before 
 I was running a deore like the one in russ' video. This is on my 2020 
 appaloosa with riversed silver thumbie shifters currently set up on 
 bullmooses but I also swap out to loscos sometimes. I'm a big fan of it, 
 though I'd agree with path less pedaled in saying its not mind blowing. I 
 think it shifts great, I love the style of this era xtr. Haven't noticed 
 any issues yet in terms of the spring not giving a snappy enough shift, 
 but 
 I definitely have had the beneficial ghost shift going uphill in the 
 mountains since installing.

 Stephen
 On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 9:20:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> JJ thanks for sharing your experiences across several RR mechs, that's 
> a lot of sampling. Sounds like you've found cage movement that works for 
> you! Dig the pic as well, thank you. I agree the red decal is a bit much. 
> Perhaps I'll scrape it off. 
>
> Johnny, thanks for the link, that is an in-depth look at derailers I'd 
> kind of forgotten about. It's a long one so here are some tidbits about 
> cost and arrival, which I'm sure will change:
>
> *6. How much will it cost?*
>
> a. We don't know. Ideally we'll have a fancy first model, the SILVER 
> OM-1; and then cheaper other models, maybe OM-2, OM-3. Maybe $300 for a 
> fancy, and $30 for a plain? We have zero idea, but a derailer too 
> expensive 
> to buy is no fun and misses the point; and a super cheap derailer that 
> doesn't account for the cost of developing and making it is ... not gonna 
> happen. We'll just see.
>
> *11. When?*
>
> a. We're hoping the fancy by Spring 2023, and the plain by Fall 2023.
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:00:40 PM 

[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[Martin Alvarez]

Thanks Ryan! Yep, it's a Toyo. I bought this as a stablemate to my Surly 
Trucker and this bike surprised me by how much lighter and response it is. 
It's unfortunately a little big so I need pass it along and find something 
similar and smaller at some point.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 4:29:08 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Nice Atlantis though Looks like an earlier pre-Taiwanese one if I'm not 
> mistaken...based on the not super-long chainstays. Looks like a nice build 
> and I rather like that front bag
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:51:28 PM UTC-5 malvar...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't have anything to add to the super cool Riv Mountain, but hello 
>> fellow Nebraska Riv owners!   [image: IMG_2122.jpg] 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:39:51 PM UTC-5 CJ wrote:
>>
>>> Gabriel, beautiful bike! I have to ask the perennial question: what 
>>> handlebar is that?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 3:09:24 PM UTC-4 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>>>
 Hey Reginald,
 Fellow Mountain rider and Nebraskan here!  Thanks for posting about 
 your ride report and the photo of your setup!  

 I wonder if there's something in the air around here, because I was 
 also recently thinking my Mountain needed some attention, and took it out 
 of storage.  It was sitting around without wheels, so I had the bright 
 idea 
 to try a 650b conversion on it.  Fantastic!!! It is running BG Rock n 
 Roads 
 43mm, plenty of clearance in the frame, and handling actually feels 
 improved.  (Previous tire was RH Rat Trap Passes.)  

 I'm the 3rd owner of mine, and it came to me with similar drivetrain 
 components-- triple Logic cranks, XC short cage rear der, and Suntour 
 mountain front der. Those are the only original parts that remain on mine. 
  
 Are you the original owner of yours?  Thank you,
 -Gabe
 [image: Mountain1.jpg]



 On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:58:11 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
 wrote:

> That’s the coolest! Love it’s mechanical features (matching 
> suspensions!), and I’m glad to hear your mechanical was manageable.
> -Kai
>
>
> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:35:11 PM UTC-4 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
>> https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to 
>> use the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a 
>> bike 
>> as possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and 
>> the 
>> Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job fine. 
>> Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side 
>> came 
>> loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got 
>> it 
>> hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so 
>> remaining 
>> miles of 42 back. 
>>
>> Reginald Alexis 
>>
>>
>> [image: image00 (13).jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[Ryan]

Nice Atlantis though Looks like an earlier pre-Taiwanese one if I'm not 
mistaken...based on the not super-long chainstays. Looks like a nice build 
and I rather like that front bag

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:51:28 PM UTC-5 malvar...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I don't have anything to add to the super cool Riv Mountain, but hello 
> fellow Nebraska Riv owners!   [image: IMG_2122.jpg] 
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:39:51 PM UTC-5 CJ wrote:
>
>> Gabriel, beautiful bike! I have to ask the perennial question: what 
>> handlebar is that?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 3:09:24 PM UTC-4 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Reginald,
>>> Fellow Mountain rider and Nebraskan here!  Thanks for posting about your 
>>> ride report and the photo of your setup!  
>>>
>>> I wonder if there's something in the air around here, because I was also 
>>> recently thinking my Mountain needed some attention, and took it out of 
>>> storage.  It was sitting around without wheels, so I had the bright idea to 
>>> try a 650b conversion on it.  Fantastic!!! It is running BG Rock n Roads 
>>> 43mm, plenty of clearance in the frame, and handling actually feels 
>>> improved.  (Previous tire was RH Rat Trap Passes.)  
>>>
>>> I'm the 3rd owner of mine, and it came to me with similar drivetrain 
>>> components-- triple Logic cranks, XC short cage rear der, and Suntour 
>>> mountain front der. Those are the only original parts that remain on mine.  
>>> Are you the original owner of yours?  Thank you,
>>> -Gabe
>>> [image: Mountain1.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:58:11 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That’s the coolest! Love it’s mechanical features (matching 
 suspensions!), and I’m glad to hear your mechanical was manageable.
 -Kai


 On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:35:11 PM UTC-4 R. Alexis wrote:

> Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
> https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to 
> use the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a 
> bike 
> as possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and 
> the 
> Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job fine. 
> Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side 
> came 
> loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got 
> it 
> hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so remaining 
> miles of 42 back. 
>
> Reginald Alexis 
>
>
> [image: image00 (13).jpg]
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Randonneuring Bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi all,

Bill is enjoying a trip in Europe right now, but was able to send me a
quick message to relay to the group.  Straight from the horse's mouth:

As Toshi pointed out I’ve done brevets on a ton of Rivs and a ton of other
bikes. I’m probably a lousy resource for suggesting ‘the best Riv for
brevets’ because folks can do brevets on any bike. To me it’s all about
setup and preparation.  If you are prepared and if your bike is set up
well, you’ll have a great time. If you are poorly prepared, no bike will
fix it. If your set up is poor, no amount of prep will be sufficient. The
trick is how to tell somebody else to set up a bike that will work for
them. I’m extremely adept at setting up a bike for myself, but it’s taken a
lot of work to develop that expertise and self-knowledge.

Some people don’t like to hear the truth about my Legolas. My Legolas is a
cyclocross race bike.  One can do a brevet on a cyclocross race bike, but
the Legolas is not a ‘brevet bike’ or even a ‘fat tire road bike’. It’s not
a ‘gravel bike’ either. It’s a cyclocross race bike.

I’ll chime in more in September

Bill

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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of Rivendell parts

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

Hi Chris, PM replied.

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:36:11 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Jeff 
>
> PM sent. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Chris 
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:18:14 AM UTC-6 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the interest. The following items are still available and 
>> prices reduced:
>>
>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed bar end shifters w/ downtube stops - $65
>> Nitto Albatross Chromoly Handlebar - $50
>> King SS cages w/ Soma water bottles - $35/both
>> IRD thumb mount with silver shifter (right/rear) - $35
>> Microshift rear derailleur - $25
>> Tektro interrupter brake levers - $10
>> Mini Bell (clips to road levers or brake housing) - $10
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 13:30:10 UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a lightly used Atlantis recently (<1000 miles) and only needed 
>>> the frame, so here are the extra parts that hopefully can be put to use:
>>>
>>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed bar end shifters w/ downtube stops - $70
>>> Nitto Albatross Chromoly Handlebar - $50
>>> King SS cages w/ Soma water bottles - $40/both
>>> Schwalbe Supreme 700x40 kevlar tires - $40/both
>>> IRD thumb mount with silver shifter (right/rear) - $40
>>> Microshift rear derailleur - $30
>>> Shimano R550 silver brake levers - $20
>>> XT front derailleur - $20
>>> Tektro cantilevers front+rear - $20
>>> Tektro interrupter brake levers - $10
>>> Mini Bell (clips to road levers or brake housing) - $10
>>>
>>> If interested, please send a PM with your zip code so I can work out the 
>>> shipping. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> (Alabama)
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[CJ]

Gabriel, beautiful bike! I have to ask the perennial question: what 
handlebar is that?

Chris

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 3:09:24 PM UTC-4 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Hey Reginald,
> Fellow Mountain rider and Nebraskan here!  Thanks for posting about your 
> ride report and the photo of your setup!  
>
> I wonder if there's something in the air around here, because I was also 
> recently thinking my Mountain needed some attention, and took it out of 
> storage.  It was sitting around without wheels, so I had the bright idea to 
> try a 650b conversion on it.  Fantastic!!! It is running BG Rock n Roads 
> 43mm, plenty of clearance in the frame, and handling actually feels 
> improved.  (Previous tire was RH Rat Trap Passes.)  
>
> I'm the 3rd owner of mine, and it came to me with similar drivetrain 
> components-- triple Logic cranks, XC short cage rear der, and Suntour 
> mountain front der. Those are the only original parts that remain on mine.  
> Are you the original owner of yours?  Thank you,
> -Gabe
> [image: Mountain1.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:58:11 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s the coolest! Love it’s mechanical features (matching 
>> suspensions!), and I’m glad to hear your mechanical was manageable.
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:35:11 PM UTC-4 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
>>> https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to use 
>>> the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a bike as 
>>> possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and the 
>>> Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job fine. 
>>> Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side came 
>>> loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got it 
>>> hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so remaining 
>>> miles of 42 back. 
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image00 (13).jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of Rivendell parts

[Chris Halasz]

Jeff 

PM sent. 

Thanks, 

Chris 

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:18:14 AM UTC-6 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks for all the interest. The following items are still available and 
> prices reduced:
>
> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed bar end shifters w/ downtube stops - $65
> Nitto Albatross Chromoly Handlebar - $50
> King SS cages w/ Soma water bottles - $35/both
> IRD thumb mount with silver shifter (right/rear) - $35
> Microshift rear derailleur - $25
> Tektro interrupter brake levers - $10
> Mini Bell (clips to road levers or brake housing) - $10
>
> Jeff
>
> On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 13:30:10 UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> I bought a lightly used Atlantis recently (<1000 miles) and only needed 
>> the frame, so here are the extra parts that hopefully can be put to use:
>>
>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed bar end shifters w/ downtube stops - $70
>> Nitto Albatross Chromoly Handlebar - $50
>> King SS cages w/ Soma water bottles - $40/both
>> Schwalbe Supreme 700x40 kevlar tires - $40/both
>> IRD thumb mount with silver shifter (right/rear) - $40
>> Microshift rear derailleur - $30
>> Shimano R550 silver brake levers - $20
>> XT front derailleur - $20
>> Tektro cantilevers front+rear - $20
>> Tektro interrupter brake levers - $10
>> Mini Bell (clips to road levers or brake housing) - $10
>>
>> If interested, please send a PM with your zip code so I can work out the 
>> shipping. Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff
>> (Alabama)
>>
>>

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[RBW] For Sale: Close-Outs

[Peter White]

As "OldGeezerdom" slowly sets in, I'm starting to pair down the variety of
products I sell. I've put all Spanninga and Pitlock products on close-out.
The prices are very low as we want to clear these items out to make room
for more SON and Rohloff hubs, SON, Busch & Müller and Supernova lights,
plus TA and Stronglight products. We sell lots of other stuff too, but
those things don't take up much space, so I'm not closing them out.

Once a product line goes on close-out, we no longer import from that
company, so once an item is gone, it's gone for good.

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com
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[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[Ryan]

So it is a mirror...that's what I thought! Down memory laneI ordered my 
1997 A/R in early August after Winnipeg suffered a 100-year flood that 
necessitated Army assistance. We were OK, though but we did help with 
filling and stacking sand bags. I also finally  got the frame around Xmas 
but in 1997 to join my X0-1 as a Sunday going-to-church stablemate and so I 
had all winter to obsess over the build. It has those lovely Logic cranks 
among other interesting bits.  Bike came with Phil BB and Tange rollerball 
installed,  just south of 1400.00 USD IIRC I still have the paper work for 
it. And Grant was a pleasure to work with. And the bike?  Still have it. 
Needs a little dusting off and some  minor TLC.

I'll say it again...much as I applaud Riv's more affordable current 
offerings like the Clems, I love the early Rivendells

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 2:18:26 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:

> Hi folks. 
>
> It is a Delta Cycles mirror. I have two in use. The other on the 1993 
> Bridgestone XO-1. Works well to get a glimpse of what is behind you. The 
> Rivendell Mountain was Rivendell's first offerings. There was the Road or 
> Road Standard, Allrounder and Mountain. You had several options. I had some 
> requests that were considered. One given the ok (Rollercam brake mounts) 
> and the other a no go (Breezer/KGB/hooded drop out) per Grant. The Mountain 
> was supposed to have its own proprietary lugset and crown. The crown was 
> supposed to be some special one, but it got nixed, probably due to low 
> demand for that model. They went with the same lugset as the Allrounder 
> with different tubing and vertical dropouts. Ordered mine in 1997 and got 
> it 1998 or so. Pretty sure I got it Christmas Eve 1998 when they were going 
> away from Waterford at that time. Was chasing the love for later Bridgstone 
> MB-1. Went with the Softride suspension stem and Thudbuster Uni-Pivot post 
> because I also had a thing for the Softride beam bikes of the time. Already 
> had a Nitto made Richey stem that was stashed along with other parts for 
> the build. Got the Thudbuster because it seemed fitting to go with the 
> Softride stem. Bottle cage is a Tallac Duel Stainless Steel cage with 
> storage bag/canister. Bought them new at a used shop in Chicago just north 
> of Lane Tech years ago. Cage and bag/container were on my Wilderness Trail 
> Bikes (WTB) Phoenix Ti, but moved it over when I swapped out cages on it. 
> Build is WTB and Suntour XC-Pro. Bars are Scott AT-3 with ODI Attack kryton 
> rubber bar wrap on the extentions and WTB modified Magura motorcycle grips. 
>
> Ordered with the thought of using WTB Dirt Drop bars in the future, if 
> desired. 
>
> Gabrial,
>
> Nice set up on your Mountain. Nice Monkey Wrench Cycles stuff. I have 
> known the owners since before or early on. Nate has given an assist on a 
> couple bike projects of mine. 
>
> Jason,
>
> I work just up the road from you at I-80 and Highway 50/144th street. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 2:31:06 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Classics! To Reginald: at the risk of asking a dumb question..what is 
>> that mirror-like thing clipped to the top tube behind the headset?
>>
>> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:35:11 PM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
>>> https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to use 
>>> the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a bike as 
>>> possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and the 
>>> Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job fine. 
>>> Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side came 
>>> loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got it 
>>> hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so remaining 
>>> miles of 42 back. 
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image00 (13).jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[R. Alexis]

Hi folks. 

It is a Delta Cycles mirror. I have two in use. The other on the 1993 
Bridgestone XO-1. Works well to get a glimpse of what is behind you. The 
Rivendell Mountain was Rivendell's first offerings. There was the Road or 
Road Standard, Allrounder and Mountain. You had several options. I had some 
requests that were considered. One given the ok (Rollercam brake mounts) 
and the other a no go (Breezer/KGB/hooded drop out) per Grant. The Mountain 
was supposed to have its own proprietary lugset and crown. The crown was 
supposed to be some special one, but it got nixed, probably due to low 
demand for that model. They went with the same lugset as the Allrounder 
with different tubing and vertical dropouts. Ordered mine in 1997 and got 
it 1998 or so. Pretty sure I got it Christmas Eve 1998 when they were going 
away from Waterford at that time. Was chasing the love for later Bridgstone 
MB-1. Went with the Softride suspension stem and Thudbuster Uni-Pivot post 
because I also had a thing for the Softride beam bikes of the time. Already 
had a Nitto made Richey stem that was stashed along with other parts for 
the build. Got the Thudbuster because it seemed fitting to go with the 
Softride stem. Bottle cage is a Tallac Duel Stainless Steel cage with 
storage bag/canister. Bought them new at a used shop in Chicago just north 
of Lane Tech years ago. Cage and bag/container were on my Wilderness Trail 
Bikes (WTB) Phoenix Ti, but moved it over when I swapped out cages on it. 
Build is WTB and Suntour XC-Pro. Bars are Scott AT-3 with ODI Attack kryton 
rubber bar wrap on the extentions and WTB modified Magura motorcycle grips. 

Ordered with the thought of using WTB Dirt Drop bars in the future, if 
desired. 

Gabrial,

Nice set up on your Mountain. Nice Monkey Wrench Cycles stuff. I have known 
the owners since before or early on. Nate has given an assist on a couple 
bike projects of mine. 

Jason,

I work just up the road from you at I-80 and Highway 50/144th street. 

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 2:31:06 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Classics! To Reginald: at the risk of asking a dumb question..what is that 
> mirror-like thing clipped to the top tube behind the headset?
>
> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:35:11 PM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
>> https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to use 
>> the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a bike as 
>> possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and the 
>> Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job fine. 
>> Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side came 
>> loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got it 
>> hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so remaining 
>> miles of 42 back. 
>>
>> Reginald Alexis 
>>
>>
>> [image: image00 (13).jpg]
>>
>

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