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[RBW] Re: What frame protection tape do you use with long term success ?

2022-11-30 Thread Ed Carolipio

I use the ISC Surface Protection ("Helicopter") tape. Good flexibility and 
adhesiveness but peels off easily and doesn't leave a residue. I can't 
comment on it being weathered but it stays flexible for years, doesn't come 
off, and doesn't yellow with age. I just buy a 1" wide roll and it lasts 
forever. http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html

--Ed C.
On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:09:29 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am considering buying some clear frame protection tape to protect my 
> Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" while it is relatively still new. 
> I did some homework. The brand names that I came up with are:
>
> *RideWrap kit
> *invisiFRAME 
> *Lizard Skins Clear Protective frame kit
> *3M™ Polyurethane Protective Tape 8671
> *3M Clear Paint Surface Protection Vinyl Film 
> *Effetto Mariposa Shelter Protective Tape
>
> I am wondering what tape have you used that has weathered exceedingly very 
> well over a very long time from road beausage ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>

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Re: [RBW] What frame protection tape do you use with long term success ?

2022-11-30 Thread rltilley

I used some 3M tape meant for wrapping car hoods and fenders for protection. I cut it into pieces that fit around the tubes of my bike. I primarily wrapped the main triangle of one bike to keep frame bags from killing the paint. This tape applies fairly easily and seems to last without fading. I bought mine here:3M Scotchgard Hood Bumper Clear Paint Protection Bra Film Shield Vinyl Wrap 12"ebay.comRobert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Kim Hetzel wrote:I am considering buying some clear frame protection tape to protect my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" while it is relatively still new. I did some homework. The brand names that I came up with are:*RideWrap kit*invisiFRAME *Lizard Skins Clear Protective frame kit*3M™ Polyurethane Protective Tape 8671*3M Clear Paint Surface Protection Vinyl Film *Effetto Mariposa Shelter Protective TapeI am wondering what tape have you used that has weathered exceedingly very well over a very long time from road beausage ?Kim HetzelYelm, WA.

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[RBW] What frame protection tape do you use with long term success ?

2022-11-30 Thread Kim Hetzel

I am considering buying some clear frame protection tape to protect my 
Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" while it is relatively still new. 
I did some homework. The brand names that I came up with are:

*RideWrap kit
*invisiFRAME 
*Lizard Skins Clear Protective frame kit
*3M™ Polyurethane Protective Tape 8671
*3M Clear Paint Surface Protection Vinyl Film 
*Effetto Mariposa Shelter Protective Tape

I am wondering what tape have you used that has weathered exceedingly very 
well over a very long time from road beausage ?

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS- Large Hubbuhhubbuh tandem, $1800.

2022-11-30 Thread rltilley

I have an 86 cm PBH and bought a small Hubbuhubbuh. My wife is only about 5’ 2” so the S was the best choice to fit both of us. The bike fits me fine. Riv also recommended the S for me.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Dave S wrote:Anyone have sizing input on these? I have an 87 PBH which is usually around largish medium, mediumish large but im way out of the recommended range on the hubba tumblr. DaveOn Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:Hey folks, Economics and non-use force sale of a would be beloved bicycle.I rode it solo a bit, less than 30 miles, and did a couple very short jaunts with a kiddo.It’s fairly swank, with a beautiful and expensive Velocity wheel set with a SON dyno hub.I had big plans, but they relied too heavily upon the hope that others in the family would fall in love with the thing. I put clear helicopter tape on the top tube out back to facilitate feet upon it while legs were growing, and routed the brake cable away from that same section of top tube. Works like a charm. Never got as far as hooking up a light or connecting the front shifter, but I’ll include both a light and a front shifter in the sale. Hoping for a local sale, can deliver in and around New York and the surrounding areas, and I’m happy to $hip it.Photos- https://photos.app.goo.gl/tex6dqhe3pXZN83a7And I’ll be keeping my captain saddleThanks much-Kai

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Re: [RBW] Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

2022-11-30 Thread Luke Hendrickson

Magnificent!

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:40 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great work, Marty. Thanks for sharing this with us. That's a nice big 
> file, too, great for printing at home with my Epson large format printer on 
> nice Hahnemuhle cotton rag paper :) 
>
> The most recent badges are done by Olivier Chételat, you can find the OC 
> initials hidden in all of his designs. He posts here from time to time. I 
> believe he also designed (or at least contributed heavily to) the 2014 Riv 
> catalog which is one of my favorites. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:50:44 PM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Excellent work.  Thank you for sharing.
>> Kate
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:25:11 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Marty, this is beautiful and an incredible design effort. Thanks so 
>>> much. It’s lovely to see them laid out like that. 
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 11:16, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to 
>>> keep things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front 
>>>and center and larger than life.
>>>2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
>>>left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
>>>3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>>>4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in 
>>>blue.  
>>>5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
>>>sold yet. 
>>>6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the 
>>>badges. Frames are standard for this size print. 
>>>
>>> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell 
>>> continues to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>>>
>>> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
>>> print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
>>> throughout the year!
>>>
>>> Rivendell Badge Poster File 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

2022-11-30 Thread Eric Marth

Great work, Marty. Thanks for sharing this with us. That's a nice big file, 
too, great for printing at home with my Epson large format printer on nice 
Hahnemuhle cotton rag paper :) 

The most recent badges are done by Olivier Chételat, you can find the OC 
initials hidden in all of his designs. He posts here from time to time. I 
believe he also designed (or at least contributed heavily to) the 2014 Riv 
catalog which is one of my favorites. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:50:44 PM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

> Excellent work.  Thank you for sharing.
> Kate
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:25:11 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Marty, this is beautiful and an incredible design effort. Thanks so much. 
>> It’s lovely to see them laid out like that. 
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 11:16, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep 
>> things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>>
>>
>>1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front and 
>>center and larger than life.
>>2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
>>left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
>>3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>>4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in 
>>blue.  
>>5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
>>sold yet. 
>>6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the badges. 
>>Frames are standard for this size print. 
>>
>> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell continues 
>> to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>>
>> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
>> print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
>> throughout the year!
>>
>> Rivendell Badge Poster File 
>> 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS- Large Hubbuhhubbuh tandem, $1800.

2022-11-30 Thread Dave S


Anyone have sizing input on these?  I have an 87 PBH which is usually 
around largish medium, mediumish large but im way out of the recommended 
range on the hubba tumblr.  

Dave
On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
NY wrote:

> Hey folks, 
> Economics and non-use force sale of a would be beloved bicycle.
> I rode it solo a bit, less than 30 miles, and did a couple very short 
> jaunts with a kiddo.
> It’s fairly swank, with a beautiful and expensive Velocity wheel set with 
> a SON dyno hub.
> I had big plans, but they relied too heavily upon the hope that others in 
> the family would fall in love with the thing. 
> I put clear helicopter tape on the top tube out back to facilitate feet 
> upon it while legs were growing, and routed the brake cable away from that 
> same section of top tube. Works like a charm. 
> Never got as far as hooking up a light or connecting the front shifter, 
> but I’ll include both a light and a front shifter in the sale. 
> Hoping for a local sale, can deliver in and around New York and the 
> surrounding areas, and I’m happy to $hip it.
> Photos- https://photos.app.goo.gl/tex6dqhe3pXZN83a7
> And I’ll be keeping my captain saddle
>
> Thanks much
> -Kai
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

2022-11-30 Thread lconley

I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything done but 
the brakes and chain-line (S-A 3 speed)], so not much help yet. I bought 
the Bebe because of the long effective top tube. I have short legs and a 
long torso and it seemed like it might be the ideal step through for bars 
with a lot of backsweep. I also have a Betty Foy, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
Mountain Mixte and the one and only Keven's Bike true mixte. Some day I may 
not be able to swing my leg over and I wanted to cover all the options on 
Rivendell step-thrus. I never intended for the Bebe to be a baby bike, it's 
my long torso bike.

Laing

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on the 
> differences?
>
> My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now 
> using the Bebe to drag a copilot.
>
> Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
> another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
> really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
> back if I let it go.
>
> The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long 
> effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it 
> feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents 
> and carves corners without any skittishness.
>
> If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid 
> hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track 
> fun.
>
> So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
>
> Paul in AR
>

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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-30 Thread Paul Clifton

Thanks Pam. I also think friction bar end shifters on Albatross bars is the 
most pleasurable way to shift. It just feels right to me. I'll take them 
with me and let her check them out.

If this bike works out, I'd love to send her up to Charlotte for one of 
your classes. She's in Atlanta, so not as close to Charlotte as Augusta, 
but it's still an easy drive. There are a few organizations that do similar 
classes in Atlanta, but I'd have to look them up again, and they don't 
happen very regularly. But she is in a good spot to bike commute a couple 
days a week, when the weather is nice and her butt gets used to a saddle. 
It would probably be 15 miles round trip, but 13 of that would be 
completely separated rail trail (the Beltline (if you've heard of it) - and 
not the busy part, but the pretty and still undeveloped part). I'd be 
pretty envious of anyone taking that cruise every day. She's said she'd 
like to do it, and I'll do what I can to facilitate.

Paul

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:06:16 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Friction and albatross bars are great.  I didn't know how to use them when 
> I got them but it's easy.  Takes 5 minutes to learn.  Not sure where she 
> lives in GA but I'm in NC and would be glad to help.  I'm in Charlotte, NC 
> which is on the border of SC.  I'm from Augusta, GA which is only 2 1/2 hrs 
> away.  I have a 47 Betty Foy so I have the same issue.  This is the only 
> bike that fits me.  Let me know if I can help.
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> :) 
>> Are y'all really asking me to defend why I'm upgrading a 30 year old bike 
>> for a very good friend of mine? Sheesh.
>>
>> Of course I've gotten her input. Here's what she's said: 
>>
>>- "I want a bike like [your wife's] bike, with those handlebars." - 
>>45 Clem L with Boscos (also a bit too big...)
>>- "No way, I'm not spending that much money on a bike, and you better 
>>not spend that much on a bike for me either." - We've all been there, and 
>> I 
>>won't, especially since Riv doesn't make a bike small enough for her. 
>> I'll 
>>split the cost of a custom with her if she catches the bug and nothing 
>> else 
>>will do. :)
>>- "My husband got me another bike from someone he works with, but I 
>>just don't like the way it feels." - It's a 700c wheel bike with the seat 
>>all the way down and the adjustable angle stem all the way up to get the 
>>flat bars close enough for her to reach 'em so she's bent over riding it 
>>like it has ape hangers on it. This has happened like 5 times.
>>- "I mean, I've never ridden a bike that fits, so I have no idea what 
>>kind of shifters I'll like. I just want a bike that's not a kids bike, 
>> and 
>>that fits, so that I can put my foot on the ground when I stop." - I know 
>>that that's not a criteria for what "fits", but it'll make her feel 
>> better 
>>riding it, and she can raise the seat when she's ready.
>>
>> I'd love to have gotten her to ride it first, but I live in Arkansas and 
>> she lives in Georgia. I did say that she's ridden my wife's 45cm Clem L, 
>> and it was a smidge too big. I also mentioned that I know her PBH, so I 
>> have a good idea of her saddle height, and this bike accommodates that with 
>> some room to go shorter, so she can get it low enough to put a foot on the 
>> ground. Finding a used (inexpensive) bike that's smaller than a 45 Clem L 
>> and that "isn't a kids bike" is not easy, so when I found one, I asked her 
>> if she liked the color, then I measured it when I checked it out, then I 
>> bought it (and I didn't pay COVID prices on a vintage MTB either, even 
>> though the asking price was obscene). 
>>
>> The seat height will work. She'll have about a fistful of seatpost 
>> showing! If the reach is too short, I'll put on a longer stem. But I'm more 
>> concerned that even with Albas, I'll need to find a shorter stem and it'll 
>> impact the handling, so I may have to buy some Boscos, but I'm at least 
>> holding off on that expense.
>>
>> The derailers may be fine. I'll probably give them a try with new 
>> shifters just to see, but they are absurdly heavy and have some quirks that 
>> new derailers have improved on. They're basically Tourney level, which, 
>> even new, is lowest usable group in my opinion. And I have an new Altus in 
>> my bin that's been waiting for a bike, so why not!
>>
>> And, come on, rapid fire shifters from the early 90s feel like garbage 
>> compared to almost any other shifter ever made, even brand new. So I'm 
>> swapping them out so her first impression of the bike won't be "this feels 
>> bad". I appreciate the frugality of using everything as long as it works, 
>> but I'd rather give my friend a bike the feels good, than one with 30 years 
>> of gunk in it. I didn't have any 7 speed shifters in my bin, but I do have 
>> a nice 8/9 speed wheel and two compatible shifter options, so

Re: [RBW] Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

2022-11-30 Thread 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch

Excellent work.  Thank you for sharing.
Kate

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:25:11 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Marty, this is beautiful and an incredible design effort. Thanks so much. 
> It’s lovely to see them laid out like that. 
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 11:16, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep 
> things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>
>
>1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front and 
>center and larger than life.
>2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top left 
>- I had not seen this one before. I like it!
>3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in 
>blue.  
>5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
>sold yet. 
>6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the badges. 
>Frames are standard for this size print. 
>
> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell continues 
> to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>
> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
> print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
> throughout the year!
>
> Rivendell Badge Poster File 
> 
>
> Marty
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO Crust Juan Martin Bars for 1993 Bridgestone XO-2

2022-11-30 Thread Emmet Sheehan

Hi Chris, I think the singles bar is a 25.4 clamp, my current stem is 26.0. 
If I'm swapping stems I may go for a 31.8 to get something decently wider.  
I have really been enjoying hitting all the rough stuff on this bike.  
Thanks for the offer though!  RE: fork It's definitely tight spacing and 
looks a little goofy. Eyeing up the kory york forks for some wider 
clearance. I have a friend with an XO-4 that he initially crimped the 
original unicrown fork, but he eventually had Ellis cycles build him a new 
one( he has 26x2.3" thunder burts in there now).

Cheers!
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:57:27 AM UTC-5 chris...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've got a sycip singles bar which is similar to the Juan Martin's for 
> sale. 
>
> Also, how's that front v-brake working? I have a 93 xo-3 with the narrow 
> spacing between studs, I think the xo-2 was the same frame/fork with 
> different component spec.
>
> Chris 
> NYC
> On Monday, 21 November 2022 at 22:41:13 UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> Nice build. is the crank 110 BCD? Must be with the 33 ring. The bar set 
>> up is interesting. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Reginald Alexis
>>
>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 9:30:50 AM UTC-6 e.q.s...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking to switch to flat-ish bars on my Bridgestone XO-2. Its a little 
>>> small for me, so I am trying to keep the backsweep to a minimum with a 8cm 
>>> dirt drop stem (26.0). Wondering if anyone has leads? 
>>>
>>> Current Build: https://photos.app.goo.gl/oJQj9Qsp1xn1MGFZ8
>>> (Folded on getting a nice shot of the crankset, but you'll just have to 
>>> take my word for the Richey Pro 50/33 double) 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Emmet
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

2022-11-30 Thread Richard Rose

I’ve not ridden a Rosco Bebe. However, your description of the ride & fit qualifies mirror my Clem low experience, exactly. And, though I might like to get a Gus or Susie for the same reasons as yours, I would be hard pressed to part with the Clem. Probably not much help but, that’s all I got.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Paul Clifton wrote:Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on the differences?My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now using the Bebe to drag a copilot.Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it back if I let it go.The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents and carves corners without any skittishness.If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track fun.So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.Paul in AR

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Re: [RBW] Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

2022-11-30 Thread Junes

Marty, this is beautiful and an incredible design effort. Thanks so much. It’s lovely to see them laid out like that. On Nov 30, 2022, at 11:16, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote:Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep things interesting. Hope you all like it.Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front and center and larger than life.Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in blue. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being sold yet. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the badges. Frames are standard for this size print. I keep thinking this will be the last update, but if RIvendell continues to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride throughout the year!Rivendell Badge Poster FileMarty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

2022-11-30 Thread Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA

Badges have been done by different artists over the years, I have no idea 
if there is any way to ID who did what - Grant would know. I've had good 
luck printing at Walgreens in the past. Bring the file on a thumb drive or 
set it up on line. The Hi Res full size print is large - it's 300dpi - so 
plan accordingly. 

Heron was a bit of an outlier - yes a different company but a big dose of 
the DNA of Rivendell at the time was baked in. Later on, SOMA also built 
bikes that were advised/designed by Grant, but not quite the same thing. 
Early in the poster series Grant mentioned Heron belonged, but SOMA not so 
much. 

Marty

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:

> That is really cool Marty,  great layout!  Generous of you to share a big 
> file for printing.  Does the same artist do all of the Riv head tube 
> badges?  They are all great, I especially love any with color.  Was Heron a 
> different company? that one is a stand out.   
>
> Minh, with the large flickr file, a number of online photo or art printers 
> could do it no problem, such as bayphoto.com.  There are plenty more out 
> there as well. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:19:33 PM UTC-8 Minh wrote:
>
>> super cool.  has anyone found a place that would make a nice print of 
>> this?  for IRL sharing?
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:17:50 PM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marty,
>>>
>>> I appreciate that you do this every year! It looks great.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 09:33, David Person  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yet again, great job and thank you for sharing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 [image: Riv Badge Poster small 120122.jpg]

 On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
 Stewartstown PA wrote:

> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to 
> keep things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>
>1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front 
>and center and larger than life.
>2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
>left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
>3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time 
>in blue.  
>5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not 
>being sold yet. 
>6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the 
>badges. Frames are standard for this size print. 
>
> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell 
> continues to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>
> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
> print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
> throughout the year!
>
> Rivendell Badge Poster File 
> 
>
> Marty
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[RBW] Clem L vs Rosco Bebe

2022-11-30 Thread Paul Clifton

Has anyone ridden both a Clem L and a Rosco Bebe enough to comment on the 
differences?

My bebe has long since outgrown the Yepp Mini front seat, and I'm now using 
the Bebe to drag a copilot.

Part of me feels like I should pass the Bebe on to a new parent, but 
another part of me wants to just keep it. The ride is phenomenal, and 
really unlike anything else I've ever ridden and I doubt I'd ever get it 
back if I let it go.

The 68 degree seat tube angle is really comfortable, and the really long 
effective top tube puts so much bike out in front of the rider that it 
feels like it really takes the lead. It's absurdly stable on fast descents 
and carves corners without any skittishness.

If I was going to sell it, I'd probably replace it with a Clem as my kid 
hauling townie, since I'd like to keep my Gus set up for rowdy single track 
fun.

So I'm curious if anyone can actually compare the two.

Paul in AR

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Re: [RBW] FS- Large Hubbuhhubbuh tandem, $1800.

2022-11-30 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

Might be worth mentioning that I have a child stoker kit that adds a 
kid-accessible crankset to a standard tandem. If anybody needs more info, email 
me directly. It’s been gathering dust since my kids were 4 feet tall, which has 
been a while.

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YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Nov 30, 2022, at 1:50 PM, James M  wrote:
> 
> Ayayayay.  Going to talk to the family about this.  If nothing else, your 
> post prompted me to finally put up my own FS post for the Long Haul Trucker 
> that's been collecting dust in the basement.  
> 
> Got an estimate on stoker size range?  My youngest is 4' 10", my wife is 5' 
> 10".
> 
> James
> 
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>> Hey folks, 
>> Economics and non-use force sale of a would be beloved bicycle.
>> I rode it solo a bit, less than 30 miles, and did a couple very short jaunts 
>> with a kiddo.
>> It’s fairly swank, with a beautiful and expensive Velocity wheel set with a 
>> SON dyno hub.
>> I had big plans, but they relied too heavily upon the hope that others in 
>> the family would fall in love with the thing. 
>> I put clear helicopter tape on the top tube out back to facilitate feet upon 
>> it while legs were growing, and routed the brake cable away from that same 
>> section of top tube. Works like a charm. 
>> Never got as far as hooking up a light or connecting the front shifter, but 
>> I’ll include both a light and a front shifter in the sale. 
>> Hoping for a local sale, can deliver in and around New York and the 
>> surrounding areas, and I’m happy to $hip it.
>> Photos- https://photos.app.goo.gl/tex6dqhe3pXZN83a7
>> And I’ll be keeping my captain saddle
>> 
>> Thanks much
>> -Kai
>> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: WTT RH Fleecer Ridge TC for RH Hatcher or Snoqualmie Pass

2022-11-30 Thread Tom Palmer

Trade in process.
Tom

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:18:02 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> Looking for some fenderable tires for the Platypus. I have some low mile 
> standard caing Rene Herse fleecer Ridge knobbies to trade for some Rene 
> Herse slicks- either Hatcher or Snoqualmie Pass will work. It you have low 
> mil extralights, I will chip in some cash with the Fleecers.
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer 
> Twin Lake, MI
> cross posted to iBob
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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

2022-11-30 Thread brizbarn

I have Kool Stop BMX (which are also a dual compound black/salmon) on my 
BMX bike. They are great, and based in Oregon (not sure if they are made in 
USA tho).   When the stock shimano pads on Vbrakes on my Riv wear out, I'll 
get some Kool Stops for that too.  I've had their MTB ones as well and they 
work great too. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:37:22 PM UTC-8 Glen wrote:

> Thank you!
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:27:07 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Ditto on the Kool Stop City pads in salmon. That's what I'm using with 
>> the V-brakes on my Appaloosa. As Steven says, they're short enough that 
>> they don't hit the fork blades when opening the brake for wheel removal, 
>> making it easy to drop out a fat-tyred wheel without deflating the tyre.
>>
>> http://www.koolstop.com/english/city%20threaded.html
>>
>> Nick
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS- Large Hubbuhhubbuh tandem, $1800.

2022-11-30 Thread James M

Ayayayay.  Going to talk to the family about this.  If nothing else, your 
post prompted me to finally put up my own FS post for the Long Haul Trucker 
that's been collecting dust in the basement.  

Got an estimate on stoker size range?  My youngest is 4' 10", my wife is 5' 
10".

James

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
NY wrote:

> Hey folks, 
> Economics and non-use force sale of a would be beloved bicycle.
> I rode it solo a bit, less than 30 miles, and did a couple very short 
> jaunts with a kiddo.
> It’s fairly swank, with a beautiful and expensive Velocity wheel set with 
> a SON dyno hub.
> I had big plans, but they relied too heavily upon the hope that others in 
> the family would fall in love with the thing. 
> I put clear helicopter tape on the top tube out back to facilitate feet 
> upon it while legs were growing, and routed the brake cable away from that 
> same section of top tube. Works like a charm. 
> Never got as far as hooking up a light or connecting the front shifter, 
> but I’ll include both a light and a front shifter in the sale. 
> Hoping for a local sale, can deliver in and around New York and the 
> surrounding areas, and I’m happy to $hip it.
> Photos- https://photos.app.goo.gl/tex6dqhe3pXZN83a7
> And I’ll be keeping my captain saddle
>
> Thanks much
> -Kai
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

2022-11-30 Thread brizbarn

That is really cool Marty,  great layout!  Generous of you to share a big 
file for printing.  Does the same artist do all of the Riv head tube 
badges?  They are all great, I especially love any with color.  Was Heron a 
different company? that one is a stand out.   

Minh, with the large flickr file, a number of online photo or art printers 
could do it no problem, such as bayphoto.com.  There are plenty more out 
there as well. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:19:33 PM UTC-8 Minh wrote:

> super cool.  has anyone found a place that would make a nice print of 
> this?  for IRL sharing?
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:17:50 PM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Marty,
>>
>> I appreciate that you do this every year! It looks great.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 09:33, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> Yet again, great job and thank you for sharing.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Riv Badge Poster small 120122.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to 
 keep things interesting. Hope you all like it.

1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front 
and center and larger than life.
2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time 
in blue.  
5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
sold yet. 
6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the 
badges. Frames are standard for this size print. 

 I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell 
 continues to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 

 As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
 print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
 throughout the year!

 Rivendell Badge Poster File 

 Marty

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[RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

2022-11-30 Thread brizbarn

Thanks for the info.  I also like helicopter tape that Bob posted above.  
Makes sense about the pclamp on the micro light, might as well make it more 
durable, would be nice if they just sold it with a metal clamp.  It would 
be cool if Blue Lug Koma lights had a dynamo version.  The toggle of the 
Sinewave Beacon seems awesome.  I just had a B Avy PLus N light fail, and 
I think it was due to the on/off button breaking.  That makes sense about 
just pointing the light down a bit, seems like that would work for city 
streets.  I just discovered the Kasai Trail Beam, seems like nice more 
affordable beacon.  I don't see any rear wiring or a rear light in the pic 
you posted on the bike with the green seat roll  and basket, am I missing 
something? 
On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:07:22 PM UTC-8 lkbr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Brian, 
> I think there's room for some clarification because I posted two identical 
> Polyvalent's for reference, and I did not entirely expect a response. The 
> bike pictured in the Imgur album belongs to a friend of mine, so I cannot 
> answer all of your questions directly. 
> For the B Micro tail light, a p-clamp and an alloy M5 spacer replaced 
> the original plastic eyelet to prevent the more fragile plastic from 
> breaking, likely in foresight for rougher riding. They have offered a lot 
> of positive feedback about the Sinewave Beacon, and I have been using a 
> Kasai Trail Beam, and I would agree that the charger is a convenient 
> integration. Sometimes I wish I could have the fancy anodized colors of the 
> Beacon, but I really wish I could have a toggle switch instead of the 
> button on the Trail Beam. The Trail Beam is mounted on a rando rack, 
> underneath a basket, and it is angled slightly downward, so it seems (and I 
> hope) that the broad beam is projected downward and hasn't been blinding 
> others. Of course, this limits the benefit of the broad beam, but it is the 
> most feasible approach for my current urban use. Notice the clean rear 
> dynamo wiring in the photo below-it's almost like it isn't there (I wish I 
> could route the wiring so discreetly, but I am using a rechargeable light 
> for the time being).I think Collin's solution with wire-covering tape 
> is a good approach that reduces the visual clutter from wrapping the dynamo 
> wire around the frame. 
> [image: IMG_1207.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

2022-11-30 Thread Minh

super cool.  has anyone found a place that would make a nice print of 
this?  for IRL sharing?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:17:50 PM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Marty,
>
> I appreciate that you do this every year! It looks great.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 09:33, David Person  wrote:
>
> Yet again, great job and thank you for sharing.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> [image: Riv Badge Poster small 120122.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep 
>>> things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>>>
>>>1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front 
>>>and center and larger than life.
>>>2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
>>>left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
>>>3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>>>4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in 
>>>blue.  
>>>5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
>>>sold yet. 
>>>6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the 
>>>badges. Frames are standard for this size print. 
>>>
>>> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell 
>>> continues to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>>>
>>> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
>>> print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
>>> throughout the year!
>>>
>>> Rivendell Badge Poster File 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
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[RBW] Re: First Ride of the Platypus

2022-11-30 Thread Mike Packard

Congrats on the bike and thanks for the ride report. I'm jealous you have 
access to such lovely riding close to home. I love "cruisy zoomy" and think 
it should be used more often. To help, I propose some more conjugations.

- "cruisy zooms" : I got a case of the cruisy zooms this morning before 
work and had to go for a ride.
- "cruisily zoomeried" : Last night on the way home I cruisily zoomeried 
down some side streets.
- "crusiferous zoomerino" : ???

mike


On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:27:05 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dangerous thing 
> with most any bike but, as I learned, especially so with the Platypus. A 
> short ride can feel like an appetizer and there is always the temptation to 
> eke out a few more miles.
>
> I covered 12 miles of roads, bike paths, and multi-use trails that I've 
> been riding regularly in various loops for the past several years. I have 
> several bikes that are well suited to these types of mixed surface rides 
> and they all bring something different to the table. My Platypus is built 
> with these types of rides in mind with Cliffhanger rims, Gravel King 50mm 
> (rear) and Fleecer Ridge endurance 55mm (front) tires, and 650mm wide Tosco 
> bars.
>
> The Platypus is my first Rivendell and the first one I've ever ridden. 
> I've gotten a few short rides in before this one but those were mostly 
> about setup rather than riding. My goodness, what a bike it is. I guess the 
> best way to describe the ride could be "cruisy zoomy", it's a very easy 
> going yet zippy ride.
>
> It is supremely comfortable and can be a very upright cruiser, though even 
> when ridden this way feels responsive. My setup with a 120mm stem puts me 
> at a ~75 degree back angle with my hands fully rearward on the grips of the 
> Tosco bar, perfect for taking in the scenery and appearing approachable 
> when encountering dog walkers on multi-use trails.
>
> I spend most of my time with the heels of my palms on the front of the 
> grips, palms over the brake lever clamps, fingers either loosely draped 
> over or wrapped around the taped bends of the Tosco bar, giving about a 60 
> degree back angle. This is a good home base position for forward progress, 
> still balanced enough to not put noticeable pressure on the hands.
>
> Moving my hands a bit forward, resting the heels of my palms on the brake 
> lever clamps, and bending the elbows more gets me to a ~45 degree back 
> angle to stretch out a bit or get lower in the face of wind. The forward 
> flats of the bar are also usable when wanting to get to the same angle with 
> less elbow bend and is nice option on open road sections, though I doubt 
> I'll bother taping there.
>
> During standing efforts I can hold the bars back at the grips or up at the 
> bends - both positions work fine and I found myself doing both in different 
> places.
>
> In all positions the fit is roomy and the handling is responsive but not 
> twitchy.
>
> I still haven't installed a front derailleur but a 46x34 low gear is 
> enough to grunt up most of the short climbs on this route. I did opt to 
> walk one short and steep pitch on a trail rather than manually changing to 
> the 30t ring.
>
> I also haven't settled the front carrying method yet but am leaning 
> towards a 137 basket and bag. For this ride temps were in the upper 30Fs 
>  and wanting a place for a layer and extra pair of gloves, I borrowed the 
> Swift Catalyst from my wife's bike to hold those things and my pump. I do 
> plan on putting a bottle cage on the bike but the stem bag is a really 
> convenient spot for the primary water bottle.
>
> A fantastic first ride (including a deer sighting!) for a fantastic bike.
>
> I took a few photos to commemorate the occasion:
>
> [image: Bog-tree.jpg]
> (Our local open space stewards decorate trees throughout town lands this 
> time of year; it's kind of a scavenger hunt.)
>
> [image: otter-slide.jpg]
>
> [image: Bog-deer.png]
> (Excuse the poor photo - this guy was a ways off after he and two does 
> dashed across the path in front of me.)
>
> [image: pine-point.jpg]
>
> -Dave (5'11"' on a 60cm Platy in Massachusetts)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

2022-11-30 Thread Glen

Thank you!

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:27:07 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> Ditto on the Kool Stop City pads in salmon. That's what I'm using with the 
> V-brakes on my Appaloosa. As Steven says, they're short enough that they 
> don't hit the fork blades when opening the brake for wheel removal, making 
> it easy to drop out a fat-tyred wheel without deflating the tyre.
>
> http://www.koolstop.com/english/city%20threaded.html
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

2022-11-30 Thread Nick Payne

Ditto on the Kool Stop City pads in salmon. That's what I'm using with the 
V-brakes on my Appaloosa. As Steven says, they're short enough that they 
don't hit the fork blades when opening the brake for wheel removal, making 
it easy to drop out a fat-tyred wheel without deflating the tyre.

http://www.koolstop.com/english/city%20threaded.html

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

2022-11-30 Thread amillhench

Marty,

I appreciate that you do this every year! It looks great.

Best,

Aaron in El Paso

On Nov 30, 2022, at 09:33, David Person  wrote:

Yet again, great job and thank you for sharing.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep 
>> things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>> Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front and center 
>> and larger than life.
>> Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top left - I had 
>> not seen this one before. I like it!
>> Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>> Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in blue.  
>> Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being sold yet. 
>> Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the badges. Frames 
>> are standard for this size print. 
>> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell continues to 
>> add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>> 
>> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and print 
>> to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride throughout 
>> the year!
>> 
>> Rivendell Badge Poster File
>> 
>> Marty

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Re: [RBW] First Ride of the Platypus

2022-11-30 Thread Doug H.

Nice build and ride report. I feel similarly about my Clem L in ride 
feeling and characteristics. It is long, upright and comfy. I call it my 
Clem Cruiser because I always feel like I'm cruising around on it. When 
someone asks what kind of bike I have I say an all-around cruiser. Not sure 
how to categorize it.
Doug

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:10:19 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Thanks, Mike - I'm in Chelmsford (just south of Lowell). It's a pretty 
> standard NE suburban area but one thing this part of MA does well is having 
> lots of public "open space" land dotted throughout various towns. None of 
> them are very large but you can string them together and make some really 
> great loops.
>
> Thanks, Ryan - looking forward to seeing your wife's bike as it takes 
> shape (it looks great already) and hearing how she likes it!
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:03:58 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike!! And a great looking area to ride. Still waiting on parts 
>> to finish building up my wife’s Platy but I love seeing all the great 
>> builds and different riding areas. Enjoy!
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:47:27 AM UTC-8 mkernan...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Dave,  the Platy looks perfect!   Where do you live in Mass?The 
>>> riding looks great.   -Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:27 AM, DavidP  wrote:
>>>
>>> This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dangerous thing 
>>> with most any bike but, as I learned, especially so with the Platypus. A 
>>> short ride can feel like an appetizer and there is always the temptation to 
>>> eke out a few more miles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I covered 12 miles of roads, bike paths, and multi-use trails that I've 
>>> been riding regularly in various loops for the past several years. I have 
>>> several bikes that are well suited to these types of mixed surface rides 
>>> and they all bring something different to the table. My Platypus is built 
>>> with these types of rides in mind with Cliffhanger rims, Gravel King 50mm 
>>> (rear) and Fleecer Ridge endurance 55mm (front) tires, and 650mm wide Tosco 
>>> bars.
>>>
>>> The Platypus is my first Rivendell and the first one I've ever ridden. 
>>> I've gotten a few short rides in before this one but those were mostly 
>>> about setup rather than riding. My goodness, what a bike it is. I guess the 
>>> best way to describe the ride could be "cruisy zoomy", it's a very easy 
>>> going yet zippy ride.
>>>
>>> It is supremely comfortable and can be a very upright cruiser, though 
>>> even when ridden this way feels responsive. My setup with a 120mm stem puts 
>>> me at a ~75 degree back angle with my hands fully rearward on the grips of 
>>> the Tosco bar, perfect for taking in the scenery and appearing approachable 
>>> when encountering dog walkers on multi-use trails.
>>>
>>> I spend most of my time with the heels of my palms on the front of the 
>>> grips, palms over the brake lever clamps, fingers either loosely draped 
>>> over or wrapped around the taped bends of the Tosco bar, giving about a 60 
>>> degree back angle. This is a good home base position for forward progress, 
>>> still balanced enough to not put noticeable pressure on the hands.
>>>
>>> Moving my hands a bit forward, resting the heels of my palms on the 
>>> brake lever clamps, and bending the elbows more gets me to a ~45 degree 
>>> back angle to stretch out a bit or get lower in the face of wind. The 
>>> forward flats of the bar are also usable when wanting to get to the same 
>>> angle with less elbow bend and is nice option on open road sections, though 
>>> I doubt I'll bother taping there.
>>>
>>> During standing efforts I can hold the bars back at the grips or up at 
>>> the bends - both positions work fine and I found myself doing both in 
>>> different places.
>>>
>>> In all positions the fit is roomy and the handling is responsive but not 
>>> twitchy.
>>>
>>> I still haven't installed a front derailleur but a 46x34 low gear is 
>>> enough to grunt up most of the short climbs on this route. I did opt to 
>>> walk one short and steep pitch on a trail rather than manually changing to 
>>> the 30t ring.
>>>
>>> I also haven't settled the front carrying method yet but am leaning 
>>> towards a 137 basket and bag. For this ride temps were in the upper 30Fs 
>>>  and wanting a place for a layer and extra pair of gloves, I borrowed the 
>>> Swift Catalyst from my wife's bike to hold those things and my pump. I do 
>>> plan on putting a bottle cage on the bike but the stem bag is a really 
>>> convenient spot for the primary water bottle.
>>>
>>> A fantastic first ride (including a deer sighting!) for a fantastic bike.
>>>
>>> I took a few photos to commemorate the occasion:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> (Our local open space stewards decorate trees throughout town lands this 
>>> time of year; it's kind of a scavenger hunt.)
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> (Excuse the

Re: [RBW] First Ride of the Platypus

2022-11-30 Thread DavidP

Thanks, Mike - I'm in Chelmsford (just south of Lowell). It's a pretty 
standard NE suburban area but one thing this part of MA does well is having 
lots of public "open space" land dotted throughout various towns. None of 
them are very large but you can string them together and make some really 
great loops.

Thanks, Ryan - looking forward to seeing your wife's bike as it takes shape 
(it looks great already) and hearing how she likes it!

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 2:03:58 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Beautiful bike!! And a great looking area to ride. Still waiting on parts 
> to finish building up my wife’s Platy but I love seeing all the great 
> builds and different riding areas. Enjoy!
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:47:27 AM UTC-8 mkernan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Dave,  the Platy looks perfect!   Where do you live in Mass?The 
>> riding looks great.   -Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:27 AM, DavidP  wrote:
>>
>> This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dangerous thing 
>> with most any bike but, as I learned, especially so with the Platypus. A 
>> short ride can feel like an appetizer and there is always the temptation to 
>> eke out a few more miles.
>>
>>
>>
>> I covered 12 miles of roads, bike paths, and multi-use trails that I've 
>> been riding regularly in various loops for the past several years. I have 
>> several bikes that are well suited to these types of mixed surface rides 
>> and they all bring something different to the table. My Platypus is built 
>> with these types of rides in mind with Cliffhanger rims, Gravel King 50mm 
>> (rear) and Fleecer Ridge endurance 55mm (front) tires, and 650mm wide Tosco 
>> bars.
>>
>> The Platypus is my first Rivendell and the first one I've ever ridden. 
>> I've gotten a few short rides in before this one but those were mostly 
>> about setup rather than riding. My goodness, what a bike it is. I guess the 
>> best way to describe the ride could be "cruisy zoomy", it's a very easy 
>> going yet zippy ride.
>>
>> It is supremely comfortable and can be a very upright cruiser, though 
>> even when ridden this way feels responsive. My setup with a 120mm stem puts 
>> me at a ~75 degree back angle with my hands fully rearward on the grips of 
>> the Tosco bar, perfect for taking in the scenery and appearing approachable 
>> when encountering dog walkers on multi-use trails.
>>
>> I spend most of my time with the heels of my palms on the front of the 
>> grips, palms over the brake lever clamps, fingers either loosely draped 
>> over or wrapped around the taped bends of the Tosco bar, giving about a 60 
>> degree back angle. This is a good home base position for forward progress, 
>> still balanced enough to not put noticeable pressure on the hands.
>>
>> Moving my hands a bit forward, resting the heels of my palms on the brake 
>> lever clamps, and bending the elbows more gets me to a ~45 degree back 
>> angle to stretch out a bit or get lower in the face of wind. The forward 
>> flats of the bar are also usable when wanting to get to the same angle with 
>> less elbow bend and is nice option on open road sections, though I doubt 
>> I'll bother taping there.
>>
>> During standing efforts I can hold the bars back at the grips or up at 
>> the bends - both positions work fine and I found myself doing both in 
>> different places.
>>
>> In all positions the fit is roomy and the handling is responsive but not 
>> twitchy.
>>
>> I still haven't installed a front derailleur but a 46x34 low gear is 
>> enough to grunt up most of the short climbs on this route. I did opt to 
>> walk one short and steep pitch on a trail rather than manually changing to 
>> the 30t ring.
>>
>> I also haven't settled the front carrying method yet but am leaning 
>> towards a 137 basket and bag. For this ride temps were in the upper 30Fs 
>>  and wanting a place for a layer and extra pair of gloves, I borrowed the 
>> Swift Catalyst from my wife's bike to hold those things and my pump. I do 
>> plan on putting a bottle cage on the bike but the stem bag is a really 
>> convenient spot for the primary water bottle.
>>
>> A fantastic first ride (including a deer sighting!) for a fantastic bike.
>>
>> I took a few photos to commemorate the occasion:
>>
>> 
>>
>> (Our local open space stewards decorate trees throughout town lands this 
>> time of year; it's kind of a scavenger hunt.)
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> (Excuse the poor photo - this guy was a ways off after he and two does 
>> dashed across the path in front of me.)
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> -Dave (5'11"' on a 60cm Platy in Massachusetts)
>>
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Re: [RBW] First Ride of the Platypus

2022-11-30 Thread Ryan Frahm

Beautiful bike!! And a great looking area to ride. Still waiting on parts 
to finish building up my wife’s Platy but I love seeing all the great 
builds and different riding areas. Enjoy!

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:47:27 AM UTC-8 mkernan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey Dave,  the Platy looks perfect!   Where do you live in Mass?The 
> riding looks great.   -Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:27 AM, DavidP  wrote:
>
> This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dangerous thing 
> with most any bike but, as I learned, especially so with the Platypus. A 
> short ride can feel like an appetizer and there is always the temptation to 
> eke out a few more miles.
>
>
>
> I covered 12 miles of roads, bike paths, and multi-use trails that I've 
> been riding regularly in various loops for the past several years. I have 
> several bikes that are well suited to these types of mixed surface rides 
> and they all bring something different to the table. My Platypus is built 
> with these types of rides in mind with Cliffhanger rims, Gravel King 50mm 
> (rear) and Fleecer Ridge endurance 55mm (front) tires, and 650mm wide Tosco 
> bars.
>
> The Platypus is my first Rivendell and the first one I've ever ridden. 
> I've gotten a few short rides in before this one but those were mostly 
> about setup rather than riding. My goodness, what a bike it is. I guess the 
> best way to describe the ride could be "cruisy zoomy", it's a very easy 
> going yet zippy ride.
>
> It is supremely comfortable and can be a very upright cruiser, though even 
> when ridden this way feels responsive. My setup with a 120mm stem puts me 
> at a ~75 degree back angle with my hands fully rearward on the grips of the 
> Tosco bar, perfect for taking in the scenery and appearing approachable 
> when encountering dog walkers on multi-use trails.
>
> I spend most of my time with the heels of my palms on the front of the 
> grips, palms over the brake lever clamps, fingers either loosely draped 
> over or wrapped around the taped bends of the Tosco bar, giving about a 60 
> degree back angle. This is a good home base position for forward progress, 
> still balanced enough to not put noticeable pressure on the hands.
>
> Moving my hands a bit forward, resting the heels of my palms on the brake 
> lever clamps, and bending the elbows more gets me to a ~45 degree back 
> angle to stretch out a bit or get lower in the face of wind. The forward 
> flats of the bar are also usable when wanting to get to the same angle with 
> less elbow bend and is nice option on open road sections, though I doubt 
> I'll bother taping there.
>
> During standing efforts I can hold the bars back at the grips or up at the 
> bends - both positions work fine and I found myself doing both in different 
> places.
>
> In all positions the fit is roomy and the handling is responsive but not 
> twitchy.
>
> I still haven't installed a front derailleur but a 46x34 low gear is 
> enough to grunt up most of the short climbs on this route. I did opt to 
> walk one short and steep pitch on a trail rather than manually changing to 
> the 30t ring.
>
> I also haven't settled the front carrying method yet but am leaning 
> towards a 137 basket and bag. For this ride temps were in the upper 30Fs 
>  and wanting a place for a layer and extra pair of gloves, I borrowed the 
> Swift Catalyst from my wife's bike to hold those things and my pump. I do 
> plan on putting a bottle cage on the bike but the stem bag is a really 
> convenient spot for the primary water bottle.
>
> A fantastic first ride (including a deer sighting!) for a fantastic bike.
>
> I took a few photos to commemorate the occasion:
>
> 
>
> (Our local open space stewards decorate trees throughout town lands this 
> time of year; it's kind of a scavenger hunt.)
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> (Excuse the poor photo - this guy was a ways off after he and two does 
> dashed across the path in front of me.)
>
> 
>
>
> -Dave (5'11"' on a 60cm Platy in Massachusetts)
>
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Re: [RBW] First Ride of the Platypus

2022-11-30 Thread Michael Williams

Hey Dave,  the Platy looks perfect!   Where do you live in Mass?    The riding looks great.   -MikeSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 30, 2022, at 10:27 AM, DavidP  wrote:This morning I squeezed a quick ride in before work - a dangerous thing with most any bike but, as I learned, especially so with the Platypus. A short ride can feel like an appetizer and there is always the temptation to eke out a few more miles.I covered 12 miles of roads, bike paths, and multi-use trails that I've been riding regularly in various loops for the past several years. I have several bikes that are well suited to these types of mixed surface rides and they all bring something different to the table. My Platypus is built with these types of rides in mind with Cliffhanger rims, Gravel King 50mm (rear) and Fleecer Ridge endurance 55mm (front) tires, and 650mm wide Tosco bars.The Platypus is my first Rivendell and the first one I've ever ridden. I've gotten a few short rides in before this one but those were mostly about setup rather than riding. My goodness, what a bike it is. I guess the best way to describe the ride could be "cruisy zoomy", it's a very easy going yet zippy ride.It is supremely comfortable and can be a very upright cruiser, though even when ridden this way feels responsive. My setup with a 120mm stem puts me at a ~75 degree back angle with my hands fully rearward on the grips of the Tosco bar, perfect for taking in the scenery and appearing approachable when encountering dog walkers on multi-use trails.I spend most of my time with the heels of my palms on the front of the grips, palms over the brake lever clamps, fingers either loosely draped over or wrapped around the taped bends of the Tosco bar, giving about a 60 degree back angle. This is a good home base position for forward progress, still balanced enough to not put noticeable pressure on the hands.Moving my hands a bit forward, resting the heels of my palms on the brake lever clamps, and bending the elbows more gets me to a ~45 degree back angle to stretch out a bit or get lower in the face of wind. The forward flats of the bar are also usable when wanting to get to the same angle with less elbow bend and is nice option on open road sections, though I doubt I'll bother taping there.During standing efforts I can hold the bars back at the grips or up at the bends - both positions work fine and I found myself doing both in different places.In all positions the fit is roomy and the handling is responsive but not twitchy.I still haven't installed a front derailleur but a 46x34 low gear is enough to grunt up most of the short climbs on this route. I did opt to walk one short and steep pitch on a trail rather than manually changing to the 30t ring.I also haven't settled the front carrying method yet but am leaning towards a 137 basket and bag. For this ride temps were in the upper 30Fs  and wanting a place for a layer and extra pair of gloves, I borrowed the Swift Catalyst from my wife's bike to hold those things and my pump. I do plan on putting a bottle cage on the bike but the stem bag is a really convenient spot for the primary water bottle.A fantastic first ride (including a deer sighting!) for a fantastic bike.I took a few photos to commemorate the occasion:(Our local open space stewards decorate trees throughout town lands this time of year; it's kind of a scavenger hunt.)(Excuse the poor photo - this guy was a ways off after he and two does dashed across the path in front of me.)-Dave (5'11"' on a 60cm Platy in Massachusetts)



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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Bar Sack & Nitto F15 rack

2022-11-30 Thread Matt Beecher

I should have added that mine closes via magnets.  

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:48:14 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Kevin
>
> Sure, I'll take it.  Is there any kind of closure/retention for the lid?  
> Is it velcro?  Magnets?  I feel like it was magnetic.  
>
> I could paypal you $150 now and then again when you have a shipping 
> price?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> 7346 Cutting Blvd
> El Cerrito, CA
> 94530
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:20:33 AM UTC-8 Kevin M wrote:
>
>> $150 plus shipping, OBO
>>
>> This bag has low miles, but it has a bit of beusage from general use and 
>> storage. 
>>
>> These aren't made any more and don't come up for sale very often, so I 
>> think this is a fair prices, but certainly feel free to make an offer if 
>> you think my price is off.
>>
>>
>> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dAT47NWQHqFWNS8w7
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Kevin
>> In Madison, WI
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Bar Sack & Nitto F15 rack

2022-11-30 Thread Matt Beecher

It is worthwhile, because it saved me an email.  FWIW, I really like mine 
and would not have minded a spare.  

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:48:55 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Intended that reply only to the author, but probably little harm done.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:48:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Kevin
>>
>> Sure, I'll take it.  Is there any kind of closure/retention for the lid?  
>> Is it velcro?  Magnets?  I feel like it was magnetic.  
>>
>> I could paypal you $150 now and then again when you have a shipping 
>> price?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> 7346 Cutting Blvd
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> 94530
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:20:33 AM UTC-8 Kevin M wrote:
>>
>>> $150 plus shipping, OBO
>>>
>>> This bag has low miles, but it has a bit of beusage from general use and 
>>> storage. 
>>>
>>> These aren't made any more and don't come up for sale very often, so I 
>>> think this is a fair prices, but certainly feel free to make an offer if 
>>> you think my price is off.
>>>
>>>
>>> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dAT47NWQHqFWNS8w7
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Kevin
>>> In Madison, WI
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

2022-11-30 Thread Glen

Has anyone heard an update on Grant's short brake pad project with Kool 
Stop? He wrote about it in a blog post years ago. I'm old school and use a 
fork mount roof rack or I  remove my front wheel when loading into the back 
of my wagon. Being able to easily clear the pads with an inflated tire 
would be so nice and this shorted pad would make life easier.

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/gbw-sign-up 

*BRAKE PAD BUMMEROONIE might be ending soon*
*Beginning in about 1990, cantilever brake makers started flipping the 
shoepad from outside the arm to inside the arm, as a way to I don't know, 
maybe reduce leverage and flex that was never a problem, anyway? But in 
doing so, the pads moved so close to the seat stays and fork blades that 
when you release the pads to remove a wheel, sometimes you can't, because 
the pads don't open up enough. The frame may have plenty of room for, say, 
a 2.4mm tire, but the brake pads, blocked by the frame and fork, don't let 
the wheel come out.*
*Older cantilevers are better in that way. The only new one that works is 
the Shimano CX50. The CX70 is discontinued. The Dia-Compe canti works in 
the front, but is 2mm short in back.*
*We have faint hope but not zero hope that Shimano will redesign its 
V-brakes. And--let me say this and please go along with it---Shimano 
V-brakes are amazing and fantastic all in one, and this micro-bugger 
doesn't wreck them. I don't think they'll do anything, though. They're too 
market-driven, and the market wants discs.*
*BUT HERE'S SOME POSSIBLE GOOD NEWS: Kool-Stop (a brake shoepad maker in 
Washington state), is aware of the issue and has agreed to study it a bit 
and see how reasonable it would be to make a pad that clears with existing 
brakes. We carved up some pads to figure out the dimensions and sent along 
photos. They can do that themselves, but still--we are nearly begging them 
to do this, and that's where it sits. I'm torn between suggesting you 
contact Tim and Randy there to express your support, and NOT, out of 
concern for how irritating that might be, and how they might not want to do 
us any favors then, even tho it would be a favor to at least 50,000 other 
riders in the bargain.*
*FLASH: They got right on it, and we'll see some shoes in a few DAYS. Go, 
Tim and Randy!*

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:13:36 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Isn’t the answer always kool stop?
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 5:57 PM 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey, Bunch:
>>
>> What v-brake pads are you running, and what are your thoughts about their 
>> function?
>>
>> I've been running Shimano XTR pads and find they have a "hard" feel to 
>> them.
>>
>> Happy holidays,
>>
>> Scott in Montana
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Bar Sack & Nitto F15 rack

2022-11-30 Thread Bill Lindsay

Intended that reply only to the author, but probably little harm done.  

BL in EC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:48:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Kevin
>
> Sure, I'll take it.  Is there any kind of closure/retention for the lid?  
> Is it velcro?  Magnets?  I feel like it was magnetic.  
>
> I could paypal you $150 now and then again when you have a shipping 
> price?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> 7346 Cutting Blvd
> El Cerrito, CA
> 94530
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:20:33 AM UTC-8 Kevin M wrote:
>
>> $150 plus shipping, OBO
>>
>> This bag has low miles, but it has a bit of beusage from general use and 
>> storage. 
>>
>> These aren't made any more and don't come up for sale very often, so I 
>> think this is a fair prices, but certainly feel free to make an offer if 
>> you think my price is off.
>>
>>
>> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dAT47NWQHqFWNS8w7
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Kevin
>> In Madison, WI
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Bar Sack & Nitto F15 rack

2022-11-30 Thread Bill Lindsay

Kevin

Sure, I'll take it.  Is there any kind of closure/retention for the lid?  
Is it velcro?  Magnets?  I feel like it was magnetic.  

I could paypal you $150 now and then again when you have a shipping price?  

Bill Lindsay
7346 Cutting Blvd
El Cerrito, CA
94530
On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:20:33 AM UTC-8 Kevin M wrote:

> $150 plus shipping, OBO
>
> This bag has low miles, but it has a bit of beusage from general use and 
> storage. 
>
> These aren't made any more and don't come up for sale very often, so I 
> think this is a fair prices, but certainly feel free to make an offer if 
> you think my price is off.
>
>
> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dAT47NWQHqFWNS8w7
>
> Thanks!
> Kevin
> In Madison, WI
>

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[RBW] Re: Derailleur precision and wear characteristics for 11+ speed systems

2022-11-30 Thread Ben Adrian

Campy Ekar is machanical only and has 13 speeds. I've heard nothing but 
good reviews (also, how high price comments). My guess is that they just 
have a lot of cable pull and the derailleur is a lower ratio than other 
mechanicals.

There's also the Ratio Technology retro-fit kit that turns SRAM 10 or 11 
speed mechanical into a 12 speed with their SRAM MTB mechanical standard, 
so one can run road shifters up front and mechanical 12speed MTB in the 
back. I've also heard good things about this.

I think the problems mainly come when people try to make a 1.7:1 ratio 
derailleur (like Shimano 7-8-9 speeds) work on higher numbers of cogs. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:12:00 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ted's remark raises an interesting question. I for one didn't think that 
> so very closely spaced cogs might require fine tolerances that exceed the 
> everyday capabilities of shift-by-cable systems, what with friction 
> changing with wear and dirt.
>
> So, question: Is it generally true that above 10 speeds or perhaps 11 
> cable systems don't work very well, or at least, shifting quality degrades 
> quickly compared to systems with fewer cogs and wider tolerances?
>
> I recall using a Cyclo Benelux pullchain rd* to shift 2 cogs hacked onto a 
> SA AW driver; to take an extreme case, I can't imagine that rd indexing 4 
> cogs let alone 12. It did index 2: all t'way for'ard and all t'way 
> backward. (Kidding.)
>
> So, again, to sum up: do 12 and 13 speed systems require and lock you in 
> to electric shifting?
>
> That is a question, not an implicit value judgment.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 11:14 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> ... 
>>
> Exactly! It's not like I used a super-accurate digital measuring device to 
>> come up with the numbers. When you're talking .1 mm, you can understand why 
>> it's hard to make a cable-shifting indexed system work reliably on tightly 
>> packed gears. I was able to confirm on the road my spreadsheet prediction 
>> that a Shimano 9-speed lever can work with a SunTour rear derailer and a 
>> Shimano 8-speed cassette.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Derailleur precision and wear characteristics for 11+ speed systems

2022-11-30 Thread Ted Durant

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:12:00 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> So, question: Is it generally true that above 10 speeds or perhaps 11 
> cable systems don't work very well, or at least, shifting quality degrades 
> quickly compared to systems with fewer cogs and wider tolerances?
>

My experience with 11 speed so far (SRAM Force brifters, derailer, and cog, 
with a few different chains) is about 10k km, in not terribly challenging 
environmental conditions. The biggest detractor to shifting performance has 
been chain wear. The SRAM 11sp chain I first used wore very quickly (as in 
a few thousand km) and it really degraded the shifting.  Subsequent YBN 
chain seems to be wearing better. I just bought a new one and cleaned it 
and bathed it in Silca super secret wax, so we'll see what that does for 
longevity. It certainly makes it clean and quiet, once the initial excess 
is worn off. I have not experienced any issues with cables getting full of 
junk, even after a lengthy 2-day session on crushed gravel trails. 

I also have a recent experience with a Campy 9-speed setup. I had a hawk 
take me out by trying to fly between my front wheel and frame. I went down 
on my right side and bent the derailer hanger a bit. Let me tell you, that 
sure ruined the indexing!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] FS: Sackville Bar Sack & Nitto F15 rack

2022-11-30 Thread Kevin M

$150 plus shipping, OBO

This bag has low miles, but it has a bit of beusage from general use and 
storage. 

These aren't made any more and don't come up for sale very often, so I 
think this is a fair prices, but certainly feel free to make an offer if 
you think my price is off.


Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dAT47NWQHqFWNS8w7

Thanks!
Kevin
In Madison, WI

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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

2022-11-30 Thread Eliot Balogh

Isn’t the answer always kool stop?

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 5:57 PM 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hey, Bunch:
>
> What v-brake pads are you running, and what are your thoughts about their
> function?
>
> I've been running Shimano XTR pads and find they have a "hard" feel to
> them.
>
> Happy holidays,
>
> Scott in Montana
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and first ride

2022-11-30 Thread Justus G

Correct.  DT Swiss TK 7.1 rims.  The precursor to the TK540.  I have the 
same DT240/TK540 combo on one of my Rosco Bubbe's.  Great Wheelset is 
really an understatement.

On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:

> Congratsyour rims look like DT Swiss TK540 (double eyelet) rims with 
> the old decals.  The TK540 are really strong rims if wheels were built 
> properly.  My set were used for loaded RTW touring for over 20,000 miles 
> and were still true when bike was sold.  
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I picked a Mermaid Platypus frameset from a very nice local Riv/Crust 
>> fan. Thanks Derek!
>> Spent a couple of weeks doing a parts bin build. The only things I bought 
>> new were 2 chains because Derek has a Clem Jr to build and needed the one 
>> from this frame and a tandem length derailler cable. Was able to get the 
>> first ride in today and had fit tweaked within a few miles. I am at the 
>> bottom of the fit guide for the big 60cm but Will at Riv confirmed I would 
>> be OK. I did get to do quick ride before I purchased so confident it would 
>> work well and it does. Very nice first ride, smooth, zippy, and quick 
>> handling. Already rethinking the tires- only 700x42 Continental speed 
>> Rides. Just thinking bigger since my roads are fairly rough chip seal in 
>> general, but want to keep fenders. I will do a second post on how large a 
>> tire with fenders. Looking forward to tomorrows ride, it will be longer and 
>> more hills. Build list is as follows- steel Albatross bars and steel stem, 
>> Ergon grips, Tektro V brake and Avid levers, and Microshift 10 speed bar 
>> end shifter shifting Deore derailler. Thompson seat post and Specialized 
>> body Geometry saddle from 90's. Alfine single ring crankset. Wheels are 
>> pretty nice, DT Swiss 240s hubs and not sure which DT Swiss rims. Fenders 
>> are Bontrager meant for 26" tires, but fit well. 
>> Planning on front rack that will tame the quick handling a bit, but worth 
>> the utility. 
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Gilles Berthoud Leather Saddle Soulor Black

2022-11-30 Thread Jonny Clugston

Lowering the price to *$150 +shipping* here, fyi. 

On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:40:04 PM UTC-8 Jonny Clugston wrote:

> I have a brand new Gilles Berthoud Saddle Soulor in Black Leather for 
> sale, $175 or best offer.
>
> This saddle is made from vegetable-tanned leather, has stainless steel 
> rails, and a narrow, racing geometry for a more aggressive riding style. 
> The saddle came with a bike I recently purchased but I chose to keep my old 
> saddle, so I would love to see this go to a new home for many years of use. 
> Slight blemish on the top of the leather, but could easily be worked out 
> with some leather wax.
>
> Photos: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10V9ohoxrI0oXlZAslyDwj9GpykeQ-C9z?usp=sharing
>
> Available for local pickup in the East Bay and SF Bay Area or willing to 
> ship for additional cost. Please reach out with any questions!
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Re: [RBW] Haul'in the Goods with MouseTraps and Trailers

2022-11-30 Thread Patrick Moore

Oh yes, I've done that a zillion times, tho' I used small auto hose clamps.
In fact, a few years ago, I rigged up a QR wire basket (from an Office
Depot office storage system) for the rear rack on my Dahon Hon Solo. IIRC,
I clamped a wood block to the underside of the basket shaped to fit snugly
into a space on the rack platform, and held the basket down with fore and
aft toe clips. Worked a treat and carried 2 full paper grocery sacks.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 8:41 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Around these parts it's not uncommon to see milk crates attached to
> bicycle rear racks, probably with zip ties, for hauling everything under
> the sun.  Not sure how stable they are - some don't look to solid.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FOR SALE : TERRY/NITTO STEM

2022-11-30 Thread Eliot Balogh

How long ?

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 10:47 AM 'Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> bump
>
> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 2:35:47 PM UTC-5 Charlie wrote:
>
>> 2 BOLT  FACEPLATE
>>
>> On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 8:34:54 PM UTC-5 Charlie wrote:
>>
>>> NOS TERRY/NITTO STEM 22.2 mm STEERER - 26mm BAR
>>>
>>> $30 CASH OR USPS MONEY ORDER ( POST OFFICE ) NO OTHER MONEY ORDER
>>>
>>> SHIPPING $10 TO U.S.A.
>>>
>>> CONTACT OFF LIST PLEASE
>>>
>>> [image: DSCF2003.JPG][image: CIMG6613.JPG]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H, Nitto Rear Rack, Trunk Bag

2022-11-30 Thread Eliot Balogh

Any interest in selling just the frameset +/- wheels ?

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 9:33 AM Davey Two Shoes 
wrote:

> I recognize this bike!
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:42:51 PM UTC-5 jake...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Selling my 52 cm dark green Clem H. In good condition but has some
>> beausage (scratch on top tube, small chips around chainstay). I love this
>> bike, but I'm hoping to sell it to help finance a Platy. Pickup in NYC
>> preferred, but open to shipping. $1525.
>>
>> Highlights:
>> 650B x 55mm RH Umtanum Ridge Extralight tires (<150 miles)
>> Excellent condition black MKS king pedals and B17 carved Brooks saddle
>> 2x8 with friction shifting
>> Silver crankset
>> Can include VO constructeur rack, stock Kenda tires, single schwalbe
>> g-one tire
>> note: the wald basket works great but is bent
>>
>> Nitto Campee Rear Rack--$150
>> Arkel TailRider Trunk Bag--$60
>> Both for $200
>>
>> Google drive link
>> 
>>
>> Feel free to reach out with any questions!
>>
>> --Jake in NYC
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H, Nitto Rear Rack, Trunk Bag

2022-11-30 Thread Jake Kutchins

Hey Dave :) It's a great ride, I've just been wanting something that's a 
bit more upright. Dropping the asking price to $1450 for anyone interested.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:33:22 PM UTC-5 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> I recognize this bike!
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:42:51 PM UTC-5 jake...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Selling my 52 cm dark green Clem H. In good condition but has some 
>> beausage (scratch on top tube, small chips around chainstay). I love this 
>> bike, but I'm hoping to sell it to help finance a Platy. Pickup in NYC 
>> preferred, but open to shipping. $1525.
>>
>> Highlights:
>> 650B x 55mm RH Umtanum Ridge Extralight tires (<150 miles)
>> Excellent condition black MKS king pedals and B17 carved Brooks saddle
>> 2x8 with friction shifting
>> Silver crankset
>> Can include VO constructeur rack, stock Kenda tires, single schwalbe 
>> g-one tire
>> note: the wald basket works great but is bent
>>
>> Nitto Campee Rear Rack--$150
>> Arkel TailRider Trunk Bag--$60
>> Both for $200
>>
>> Google drive link 
>> 
>>
>> Feel free to reach out with any questions!
>>
>> --Jake in NYC
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What dual short/long pull brake levers are out there?

2022-11-30 Thread Greg Murphy

I don't know much about the lever length but I use Tektro Eclipses on my
bike. Can convert from short to long/long to short at ease.

-Greg

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 2:01 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love my Avid speed dials, and they're inexpensive.
> https://www.sram.com/en/sram/models/bl-sd-7-a1
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 5:42:43 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy all,
>>
>> I'm in need of a matching pair of brake levers that are interchangeable
>> between short pull and long pull. Because of a front rack non-compatibility
>> issue with my current canti brakes, I'll have to use a v-brake in front,
>> but I'd to keep the canti brake in the rear.
>>
>> I'm aware of the Shimano BLR780 which Riv sells, but ideally I'd like
>> something with a longer lever body. Does anyone know of any other levers,
>> by Shimano or any other brand, that has the criteria that I'm looking for?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
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[RBW] Derailleur precision and wear characteristics for 11+ speed systems

2022-11-30 Thread Patrick Moore

Ted's remark raises an interesting question. I for one didn't think that so
very closely spaced cogs might require fine tolerances that exceed the
everyday capabilities of shift-by-cable systems, what with friction
changing with wear and dirt.

So, question: Is it generally true that above 10 speeds or perhaps 11 cable
systems don't work very well, or at least, shifting quality degrades
quickly compared to systems with fewer cogs and wider tolerances?

I recall using a Cyclo Benelux pullchain rd* to shift 2 cogs hacked onto a
SA AW driver; to take an extreme case, I can't imagine that rd indexing 4
cogs let alone 12. It did index 2: all t'way for'ard and all t'way
backward. (Kidding.)

So, again, to sum up: do 12 and 13 speed systems require and lock you in to
electric shifting?

That is a question, not an implicit value judgment.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 11:14 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> ...
> Exactly! It's not like I used a super-accurate digital measuring device to
> come up with the numbers. When you're talking .1 mm, you can understand why
> it's hard to make a cable-shifting indexed system work reliably on tightly
> packed gears. I was able to confirm on the road my spreadsheet prediction
> that a Shimano 9-speed lever can work with a SunTour rear derailer and a
> Shimano 8-speed cassette.
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[RBW] Re: Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

2022-11-30 Thread David Person

Yet again, great job and thank you for sharing.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:19:37 AM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> [image: Riv Badge Poster small 120122.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep 
>> things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>>
>>1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front and 
>>center and larger than life.
>>2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
>>left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
>>3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>>4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in 
>>blue.  
>>5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
>>sold yet. 
>>6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the badges. 
>>Frames are standard for this size print. 
>>
>> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell continues 
>> to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>>
>> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
>> print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
>> throughout the year!
>>
>> Rivendell Badge Poster File 
>> 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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[RBW] Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

2022-11-30 Thread Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA

Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep 
things interesting. Hope you all like it.

   1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front and 
   center and larger than life.
   2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top left - 
   I had not seen this one before. I like it!
   3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
   4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in 
   blue.  
   5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being sold 
   yet. 
   6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the badges. 
   Frames are standard for this size print. 

I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell continues 
to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 

As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and print 
to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride throughout 
the year!

Rivendell Badge Poster File 


Marty

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[RBW] FS- Large Hubbuhhubbuh tandem, $1800.

2022-11-30 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY

Hey folks, 
Economics and non-use force sale of a would be beloved bicycle.
I rode it solo a bit, less than 30 miles, and did a couple very short 
jaunts with a kiddo.
It’s fairly swank, with a beautiful and expensive Velocity wheel set with a 
SON dyno hub.
I had big plans, but they relied too heavily upon the hope that others in 
the family would fall in love with the thing. 
I put clear helicopter tape on the top tube out back to facilitate feet 
upon it while legs were growing, and routed the brake cable away from that 
same section of top tube. Works like a charm. 
Never got as far as hooking up a light or connecting the front shifter, but 
I’ll include both a light and a front shifter in the sale. 
Hoping for a local sale, can deliver in and around New York and the 
surrounding areas, and I’m happy to $hip it.
Photos- https://photos.app.goo.gl/tex6dqhe3pXZN83a7
And I’ll be keeping my captain saddle

Thanks much
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] Widest tires on green Quickbeam?

2022-11-30 Thread Dave Grossman

I have 42 Soma Grand Vitesse on currently.  I tried Big Apples once but 
couldn't get them to fit.  I wonder if clearance is much difference between 
colors at all?  I have a pair of Snoqualmies from my recently sold Homer 
that I will try once the weather gets nicer.  In the winter I run 35 
Marathon supremes and fenders and its worked great.  I have Belgiums so I 
suppose I am maxing out width as well with those.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 1:34:13 AM UTC-6 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Thanks for reviving this thread! I started at the beginning, and when I 
> saw Clayton’s post, I looked at the date. “A… that makes sense.”
>
> You revised your question to ask about max fender widths.
> I run 52mm aluminum Velocity Orange Zeppelins over 38mm RH tires on my 
> 2004 green Quickbeam. The fenders are crimped a bit to pass between the 
> chain stays, but not at the seat stays or under the fork. I like the longer 
> coverage for the chain in front, and I like to be able to wheel the bike 
> around vertically on the rear tire. Setting the rear fender up normally 
> shouldn’t need any crimping.
>
> I just changed my 37mm tires to these 38s, and had to flip a mounting bolt 
> for more clearance under the bridge: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/ClkhqIjr9oU/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=
> The new tires freshen up the bike, and I should probably straighten or 
> replace the decade-old stays and add PDW releases:  
> https://www.instagram.com/p/ClKbS02PGoN/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=
>
> I would not put a bigger tire under metal fenders on this bike. Without 
> fenders, my biggest tire was a 45mm Smoke  with the side knobs cut off. The 
> hassle there isn’t worth the reward to me, and a (~43?) Bruce Gordon 
> Rock’n’Road is as big as I’d go in the future. 
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif 
>
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 11:57:55 AM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>
>> My experience too, Eric; thanks.  
>>
>> Perhaps the question I should be asking: what's the widest *fender* that 
>> Quickbeamers reliably run without too much heroics in home-surgery fender 
>> modifications?  --Will
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 2:29 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> In my experience (not on a QB) 45mm fenders over 37 or 38mm tires might 
>>> work, but it’s very fiddly. A minor bump or misadjustment and something 
>>> will rub. 
>>>
>>> A good rule of thumb is max tire = fender -10mm, so 35mm tires for 45mm 
>>> fenders.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 28, 2022, Will M  wrote:
>>>
>> Hi all.  Revisiting an oldish thread.  What's the biggest tire you 
 Quickbeamers are running with SKS P45 longboard feders?  I have an orange 
 62cm Quickbeam and wanted to try 700x38mm tires with my P45s.  It's pretty 
 clear that the Quickbeam can take 'em.  It's less clear if the P45 
 longboards can.  (Websites such as REI 
 ,
  
 etc., say max tire width = 37mm, yet RBW says 
  38mm).  
 Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

 Will M
 -NYC 

 On Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 11:53:35 PM UTC-4 grant wrote:

> You can measure the chainstay width, inside-2-inside, at the point 
> where the tire passes, then figure howevermany millimeters you're 
> comfortable with for clearance (four is a fine minimum-and the Japanese 
> standard, Times 2 that's 8.). Then do the negative arithmetic, and 
> blammo--there's your max tire. 
> (I know those who ride less than four. if the tire is big and cushy, 
> the wheel whill probably stay true forever. Why would it not?)
>
> G
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Andrew Janjigian  
> wrote:
>
>> RBWers -
>>
>> I have 35mm tires on my green QB that need replacing. I'm thinking 
>> about ditching the fenders and going AWAP. Anyone know whether 40mm will 
>> fit? It certainly looks like I have at least 5mm to spare. 
>>
>> Thanks
>> AJ
>>
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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

2022-11-30 Thread Ryan Frahm

Another vote for the Kool Stop dual compound v2 pads. They have been 
amazing in all conditions, even snow and freezing rain. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:20:21 AM UTC-8 esoter...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> 
>
> I've been really happy with the Kool Stop e-bike pads that Riv sells:  
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brake-pads-kool-stop-e-bike
>
> They're nicely grippy and have been completely silent for me so far 
> (approximately 6-700 miles). They also seem to be thicker than regular 
> Kool Stops so they should last longer. I originally had them on my 
> Atlantis (since sold), but kept the v-brakes and put them on my BMC 
> Monstercross when I first built it up to see how they'd feel on it. I 
> thought I'd eventually want to switch over to cantis on the Monstercross 
> but so far they've worked out great for me and they're still going strong 
> with no complaints. 
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
> On Nov 29, 2022, at 20:56, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Hey, Bunch:
>
> What v-brake pads are you running, and what are your thoughts about their 
> function?
>
> I've been running Shimano XTR pads and find they have a "hard" feel to 
> them.
>
> Happy holidays,
>
> Scott in Montana
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Re: [RBW] Re: Book recommendations for learning how to build up a bike

2022-11-30 Thread Stephanie A.

Thank you so much for all that you have shared. 

Okay...I'll try to get by with all of the online resources you've shared 
and search through the libraries around me first.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:14:53 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Mackenzy:
>
> DITTO...
>
> Until just the other day I didn't know he passed away in 2008, RIP.
>
> The site is remarkably helpful for tips, DIY, and trivia things like cog 
> spacing...haha.
>
> Outside of Service Instructions it's my go to resource. Crazy the number 
> of topics that are covered. And, as you say, he wrote well such that his 
> guidance is easy reading.
>
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 3:55 PM, Mackenzy Albright
>  wrote:
>
> Not to discourage books. I love books. Just an FYI I am a really really 
> really big fan of the Sheldon Brown website. Every time. i need to do a 
> thing to my bike that I cant remember how to do it i just type whatever I 
> need and sheldon brown.  like "chain length sheldon brown"  problem solved. 
>
> I love that every write up is well written. builds in problem solving and 
> issues based DIY compatibility options instead of assuming group sets and 
> new parts. etc. 
>
> I wish somebody would just compile the sheldon brown website into a 
> hardcover book. ISOLA PRESS. After jobst brant - here is your next project! 
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:14:20 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
> My experience with bike mechanic books is that they all say the same 
> stuff, but in different ways, with different styles of illustrations or 
> photographs, and in varying degrees of detail. It might be worth a trip to 
> the library to flip through a few of them and see what jives with your 
> experience and preferences.
>
> The one I used as a kid was called something like "How to fix your 
> bicycle" and it just confused me (and my dad who is a competent mechanic). 
> So definitely skim anything you can before you buy it.
>
> The content I would really want in a book is tips and tricks, like how to 
> hold everything just right to get the cable tension for my brakes perfect 
> and what parts are compatible with other parts (like using a 9 speed chain 
> on 8 speed cassettes, or using Shimano road shifters with mountain 
> derailers). I don't know of a book that has that stuff, but I bet there is 
> one out there that does.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:08:04 AM UTC-6 Stephanie A. wrote:
>
> As I continue to change things on my current bike, I've realize that what 
> I really want is a book that helps me understand building up and 
> maintaining a bike. YouTube videos and helpful websites are great. I'm so 
> thankful that they exist. But my brain craves a single, cohesively written 
> text I can easily read through and turn to when I'm thinking about changing 
> shifters, selecting different drivetrain parts, understanding geometry, 
> taking apart bikes, wiring, and making adjustments. I really only see 
> myself dealing with non-fixie commuters and touring bikes.
>
> I found a book online called *How to Build a Bike (in a Weekend)* by Alan 
> Anderson with illustrations by Lee John Phillips. Has anyone used this? 
> Does anyone have other suggestions?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Book recommendations for learning how to build up a bike

2022-11-30 Thread Stephanie A.

Thank you so much for all that you have shared. 

Okay...I'll try to get by with all of the online resources you've shared 
and search through the libraries around me first. My brain likes pictures 
and charts
On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:14:53 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Mackenzy:
>
> DITTO...
>
> Until just the other day I didn't know he passed away in 2008, RIP.
>
> The site is remarkably helpful for tips, DIY, and trivia things like cog 
> spacing...haha.
>
> Outside of Service Instructions it's my go to resource. Crazy the number 
> of topics that are covered. And, as you say, he wrote well such that his 
> guidance is easy reading.
>
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 3:55 PM, Mackenzy Albright
>  wrote:
>
> Not to discourage books. I love books. Just an FYI I am a really really 
> really big fan of the Sheldon Brown website. Every time. i need to do a 
> thing to my bike that I cant remember how to do it i just type whatever I 
> need and sheldon brown.  like "chain length sheldon brown"  problem solved. 
>
> I love that every write up is well written. builds in problem solving and 
> issues based DIY compatibility options instead of assuming group sets and 
> new parts. etc. 
>
> I wish somebody would just compile the sheldon brown website into a 
> hardcover book. ISOLA PRESS. After jobst brant - here is your next project! 
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:14:20 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
> My experience with bike mechanic books is that they all say the same 
> stuff, but in different ways, with different styles of illustrations or 
> photographs, and in varying degrees of detail. It might be worth a trip to 
> the library to flip through a few of them and see what jives with your 
> experience and preferences.
>
> The one I used as a kid was called something like "How to fix your 
> bicycle" and it just confused me (and my dad who is a competent mechanic). 
> So definitely skim anything you can before you buy it.
>
> The content I would really want in a book is tips and tricks, like how to 
> hold everything just right to get the cable tension for my brakes perfect 
> and what parts are compatible with other parts (like using a 9 speed chain 
> on 8 speed cassettes, or using Shimano road shifters with mountain 
> derailers). I don't know of a book that has that stuff, but I bet there is 
> one out there that does.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:08:04 AM UTC-6 Stephanie A. wrote:
>
> As I continue to change things on my current bike, I've realize that what 
> I really want is a book that helps me understand building up and 
> maintaining a bike. YouTube videos and helpful websites are great. I'm so 
> thankful that they exist. But my brain craves a single, cohesively written 
> text I can easily read through and turn to when I'm thinking about changing 
> shifters, selecting different drivetrain parts, understanding geometry, 
> taking apart bikes, wiring, and making adjustments. I really only see 
> myself dealing with non-fixie commuters and touring bikes.
>
> I found a book online called *How to Build a Bike (in a Weekend)* by Alan 
> Anderson with illustrations by Lee John Phillips. Has anyone used this? 
> Does anyone have other suggestions?
>
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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-30 Thread ascpgh

Tendencies of cleaning, adjusting and using what's present versus replacing 
30 year old OEM parts with things you have, know or prefer may be genetic. 
People cannot help themselves if the trait is expressed.

I know thirty years is a long time for a bike sold as new to migrate the 
landscape but I did sell many of that model and color up the road from you. 
Those ratty RapidFire lower end shift units may have worked decently if 
curated by museum staff but more than half of those delivered had the lower 
button lever (stamped sheet metal) bent enough to interfere with the upper 
button inside an otherwise pristine looking bike box. The way they 
assembled the cockpit and placed it as tethered by the cables and housings 
secured to the frame and rear wheel was culprit.

The resulting slight upward bend of the lower RapidFire shifter lever 
produced either non function overlap or random bad shifting when an odd 
thumb angle would incrementally be enough displacement to interfere with 
the upper button lever's thumb pad. We would use a Crescent wrench on the 
back of the grey plastic button where a horizontal reinforcing bar was 
formed to bend the end of the lever and button back down and out of 
interference range of the upper one. This only got us through the initial 
warranty from the bike company since most of our bikes went to the woods 
unlike 80% of the era nationally. We also didn't have room to store all of 
the built bikes that had this factory and shipment problem. 

Besides the very frequent shipping damage, those RadpidFire shifters were 
strategically placed to be kneed into the same condition. Not to say these 
were low end parts as they were OEM on $500-600 bikes, just that they were 
an evolutionary step which for me could go back into the primordial ooze. 
Bridgestone and Kona called the emperor naked this one and stuck with 
things that work, not the latest stuff foisted on new bike buyers to beta 
test.

That black plastic housing was about as weatherproof as a ragtop CJ Jeep in 
a car wash, i.e. not the slightest. Worse than without the covers since 
they collected and stored muck right at the pot metal toothed parts, 
springs and pawls. 

Do what you know and what's best for your friend with her input. and your 
efforts I'm all about losing those detestable shifters. Those shifters, on 
that bike (and some RockHoppers) sold many MB-6s to comparison shoppers at 
our store.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> :) 
> Are y'all really asking me to defend why I'm upgrading a 30 year old bike 
> for a very good friend of mine? Sheesh.
>
> Of course I've gotten her input. Here's what she's said: 
>
>- "I want a bike like [your wife's] bike, with those handlebars." - 45 
>Clem L with Boscos (also a bit too big...)
>- "No way, I'm not spending that much money on a bike, and you better 
>not spend that much on a bike for me either." - We've all been there, and 
> I 
>won't, especially since Riv doesn't make a bike small enough for her. I'll 
>split the cost of a custom with her if she catches the bug and nothing 
> else 
>will do. :)
>- "My husband got me another bike from someone he works with, but I 
>just don't like the way it feels." - It's a 700c wheel bike with the seat 
>all the way down and the adjustable angle stem all the way up to get the 
>flat bars close enough for her to reach 'em so she's bent over riding it 
>like it has ape hangers on it. This has happened like 5 times.
>- "I mean, I've never ridden a bike that fits, so I have no idea what 
>kind of shifters I'll like. I just want a bike that's not a kids bike, and 
>that fits, so that I can put my foot on the ground when I stop." - I know 
>that that's not a criteria for what "fits", but it'll make her feel better 
>riding it, and she can raise the seat when she's ready.
>
> I'd love to have gotten her to ride it first, but I live in Arkansas and 
> she lives in Georgia. I did say that she's ridden my wife's 45cm Clem L, 
> and it was a smidge too big. I also mentioned that I know her PBH, so I 
> have a good idea of her saddle height, and this bike accommodates that with 
> some room to go shorter, so she can get it low enough to put a foot on the 
> ground. Finding a used (inexpensive) bike that's smaller than a 45 Clem L 
> and that "isn't a kids bike" is not easy, so when I found one, I asked her 
> if she liked the color, then I measured it when I checked it out, then I 
> bought it (and I didn't pay COVID prices on a vintage MTB either, even 
> though the asking price was obscene). 
>
> The seat height will work. She'll have about a fistful of seatpost 
> showing! If the reach is too short, I'll put on a longer stem. But I'm more 
> concerned that even with Albas, I'll need to find a shorter stem and it'll 
> impact the handling, so I may have to buy some Boscos, but I'm at least 
> holding

[RBW] WTT RH Fleecer Ridge TC for RH Hatcher or Snoqualmie Pass

2022-11-30 Thread Tom Palmer

Hi all,
Looking for some fenderable tires for the Platypus. I have some low mile 
standard caing Rene Herse fleecer Ridge knobbies to trade for some Rene 
Herse slicks- either Hatcher or Snoqualmie Pass will work. It you have low 
mil extralights, I will chip in some cash with the Fleecers.
Thanks!
Tom Palmer 
Twin Lake, MI
cross posted to iBob

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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

2022-11-30 Thread esoterica etc



I've been really happy with the Kool Stop e-bike pads that Riv sells:  
https://www.rivbike.com/products/brake-pads-kool-stop-e-bike

They're nicely grippy and have been completely silent for me so far 
(approximately 6-700 miles). They also seem to be thicker than regular Kool 
Stops so they should last longer. I originally had them on my Atlantis (since 
sold), but kept the v-brakes and put them on my BMC Monstercross when I first 
built it up to see how they'd feel on it. I thought I'd eventually want to 
switch over to cantis on the Monstercross but so far they've worked out great 
for me and they're still going strong with no complaints. 

~Mark
Raleigh, NC

> On Nov 29, 2022, at 20:56, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Bunch:
> 
> What v-brake pads are you running, and what are your thoughts about their 
> function?
> 
> I've been running Shimano XTR pads and find they have a "hard" feel to them.
> 
> Happy holidays,
> 
> Scott in Montana
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