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[RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

2022-12-11 Thread Luke Hendrickson

Hey all! I know that it’s been a bit wet & cold, but I’d love to see if 
anyone would want to have a little ride in the coming week(s). Perhaps even 
a New Year’s day ride to celebrate in the new year in style?

I’m in the City proper and was thinking about some mixed terrain around 
town while keeping it mostly road-ish so that no one’s limited by the ride 
route. Pastries + hot drinks + more snacks?

I’d love to hear from anyone interested or even connect with other 
like-minded people for more than just a one-off ride. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

2022-12-11 Thread Slin

I started playing around with different ways to visualize it. Here's one 
using a spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gu7_PQVDZn0iQtx81oHQ_X3mhDMcngiJK1AVxHleQ_Q/edit?usp=sharing

[image: Screenshot from 2022-12-11 21-05-52.png]

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Slin, that's a fun idea to do it as a family tree kind of infographic!  I 
> haven't gotten around to polishing this into a digital form like I meant 
> to, but with the holiday break coming up I might take the opportunity to 
> then, and am really liking this idea of doing it as a branched structure 
> based on successors  
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 7:14 PM Slin  wrote:
>
>> @Jason - this is really cool! I did a search and came across this because 
>> I was thinking about doing something very similar but also including when 
>> the models were discontinued and any lineage type relationships:
>>
>> Atlantis <-> Appaloosa 
>>
>> Glorius/Wilbury -> Betty Foy/Yves Gomez -> Cheviot -> Platypus
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 3:13:18 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Marty - those photoshops are amazing. 
>>>
>>> Tom - it's having the same effect on me; it's a problem. I am now in 
>>> search of a Rosco step thru in the 54/55 size. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 3 December 2021 at 13:17:21 UTC-8 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>
 This thread is the best reading I've done this week, although it makes 
 me want *all-the-Rivs*!

 Tom (in Miami, where it's peak riding season)

 On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:37:13 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:

> I'll have to check out that thread.
>
> As a gray/orange Hunqapillar owner, I much prefer the darker shade of 
> orange shown in your photo here.  
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 6:25:39 AM UTC-6 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> To satisify my own itch, I did a series of photoshop mockups of the 
>> first diagatube Hunqapillars beginning Monday, April 5th at 7:59am. Two 
>> versions - one that is like the production version we ended up with, and 
>> another that had extended "mixte" like tubes that ended near the rear 
>> dropouts. (That one sort of became the Bombadil ultimately.) These first 
>> mockups led to more than 20 others, prompted by an email from Grant who 
>> saw 
>> the posts here and wanted to explore different color combos and other 
>> details. It all happened pretty fast. Here are mockups #1 and #2, and a 
>> couple others along the way. If you look closely at the front tire 
>> markings, you can see how I kept track of the various mockups. For the 
>> record, here is the thread where these were revealed and all of this is 
>> discussed (passionately!):  
>>
>> DiagaHunq Discussion 
>> 
>>
>> It was fun to be a small part of the history of this great bike. I 
>> owned one for a short time, but it was way too small for me, and had 
>> some 
>> damage. Looking back, those chainstays look ridiculously short! My 
>> current 
>> Clem H is all the Hunq I need now. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> [image: DiagHunq1.jpg][image: DiagHunq2.jpg]
>>
>> FYI - to facilitate the mockups I was using a pic that was posted on 
>> the Riv site somewhere - it was Jay's bike:
>>
>> [image: Jay_s_H.jpg]
>>
>> This one in orange and grey, with a cork lift handle idea. Not sure 
>> who's bike this was. 
>> [image: Hunqamarty 10.0.jpg]
>>
>> OK - this one was a stretch...
>> [image: Hunqamarty 8.0.jpg]
>>
>> And a black & grey version I kind of liked. with graphics on the 
>> mid-tube.
>> [image: Hunqamarty 21.0.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:15:22 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Michael - they switched from the dual TT style to the diaga-tube in 
>>> 2010 on Bombadils :)  So the diaga is the newer versio
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-11 Thread J J

Hi Scott...thanks for your note! Instead of including photos here and 
commandeering this thread, I posted several pics of the Glorius and pics of 
the Hunq, Atlantis, and Wilbury cockpits on Google Drive 
.
 
Feel free to check them out 

.

As I mentioned before, I'm going to replace the drops on the Atlantis with 
either a Bosco, Losco, Tosco, or Choco — say all that three times fast — 
because the drops kill my wrists and shoulders. I'll use Paul brake levers 
to match the Neo-Retro cantis levers and I'll probably retain those old 
Shimano bar-end shifters in indexed mode mounted to Paul thumbies. Riding 
the Atlantis was the first experience I've had with indexed shifting and I 
liked it! The shifters have a super satisfying click, and wow, the chain 
moves exactly where it needs to be :) (I'm not about to give up the 
friction shifters on the Hunq though.) The Atlantis drivetrain is exactly 
like the Hunq's — triple front and 9-sp Rapid Rise rear. And yes, the 
Rich-built Atlantis rear wheel has a shiny 48h Phil hub. Forty eight. The 
front wheel is "only" a 40h SON.

Please do keep us posted about your builds! 

Best wishes,

Jim 

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:50:02 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Your bikes are immaculate and down right gorgeous! Does each have its own 
> bedroom in the house?!
>
> Will you, please, share pictures of your cockpits? I'm in a state of 
> ponder regarding my Atlantis' cockpit direction.
>
> And more pictures of the Glorious, PLEASE??? That's my fave!
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Scott
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 07:34:06 PM MST, J J  
> wrote: 
>
>
> I’m really enjoying this thread! Thanks for initiating it, Masa.
>
> Like John, I have a Waterford Hunqapillar (58) I bought new from 
> Rivendell. Also like John, I have a Toyo Atlantis (61), a recent 
> acquisition. So John's post really resonated. 
>
> [image: Hunqapillar head badge.jpg]
>
> A few weeks ago someone asked me, “Why did you buy an Atlantis if you 
> already have a Hunq?” I really hadn’t thought about that question. I guess 
> the implication was that the two bikes had overlap of purpose. 
>
> To my mind it was more like, why *wouldn’t* I buy the Atlantis? It 
> checked a lot of boxes: Toyo built; fully lugged; quintessential Rivendell; 
> beautiful; robust; classic good looks; the submarine green. 
>
> [image: Atlantis head badge.jpg]
>
> I don’t think anything could replace the Hunq, my true all-rounder. I’d 
> buy another if the bike gods kindly bestowed one on me. There is precedent 
> in my household of having two of the same bike, a Wilbury and a Glorius.
>
> [image: Wilbury head badge.jpg]
>
> [image: Glorius head badge.jpg]
>
> But the more I ride the Atlantis the more I appreciate just how special it 
> is, too. It reminds me of the Hunq in robustness, stability, and lovely 
> ride, but it is more compact and a bit livelier and lighter. And I could 
> load it up if I needed to. I love the feel and aesthetics of the shorter 
> wheelbase Rivs. All Rivs are great no matter where they are produced. 
> There's something distinctive about the Toyo-built Rivs that's hard to pin 
> down. 
>
> Jim
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 2:03:24 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>
> Shoji,
>
> Thank you for educating me on Atlantis history and sharing the 
> article...much appreciated!
>
> Scott
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:02:01 AM MST, Shoji Takahashi <
> shoji.t...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Scott,
> "Atlantis 2" on Rivendell's model is because Bridgestone had an "Atlantis" 
> model, designed by Hiro Watanabe. 
>
> You can read about it in RR35 available here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/
>
> Thanks
> Shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:19:56 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>
> Affectionately acknowledged, Max. Ride on...
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:15:44 AM MST, reynoldslugs <
> be...@perrylaw.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Scott et al - 
>
> correction - sorry, the saddle on the Atlantis is an SMP Avant:
>
>
> https://www.performancebike.com/selle-smp-avant-saddle-black-aisi-304-rails-154mm-zstrikeamne/p1262159?v=531971=Cj0KCQiAkMGcBhCSARIsAIW6d0C4B_hvbJZzbo7h6LftzDSyVysuuUTlKKqOM_1-J5mYoAJjo7O4FOEaAta9EALw_wcB
>
> It doesn't look as nice as the Selle Anatomica, but I switched a number of 
> bikes over to the SMP Avant split-seat in my post-cancer life.  (I don't 
> usually mention that, but it's no big deal and I'm figuring a number of us 
> have had to accomodate our bikes and components for all kinds of medical 
> reasons as we get older.  E.g., cross levers for old arthritic neck, 
> split-saddles for post-surgical comfort.)
>
> Best
>
> Max B
> Santa Rosa
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:04:27 AM UTC-8 reynoldslugs wrote:
>
> Mon Cher Scott:
>
> That's my Atlantis, yes.  It's one

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-11 Thread Luke Hendrickson

I have a freehub that has a 7-speed and can take an 11/12 without a spacer. 
Idk what John meant when he said that… maybe CK is different. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 4:22:59 PM UTC-8 Andrew Letton wrote:

> I'll add a link to some photos of my original order 2TT 60cm Bombadil:
> 2009 Rivendell Bombadil 
>
> 2009 Rivendell Bombadil
>
> Explore this photo album by letton on Flickr!
> 
> Most of the photos are from the original build in 2009, but the last two 
> show a recent iteration here in Australia, complete with Towel Rack bars 
> and Gravity dropper post.
>
> On my most recent bikepacking trip, I found myself the oldest, heaviest, 
> least-fit rider on the heaviest, most-overpacked bike, so in an effort to 
> keep my friends from having to wait for me at the top of every hill, I'm in 
> the process of reconfiguring it yet again with more of a bikepacking theme: 
> half frame bag, fork bags, handlebar roll, and long, narrow Ortlieb drybag 
> strapped a Nitto R14 rack (so I can still use the dropper). With the 
> smaller bags, I'll be less able to pack as many kitchen sinks. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew...north of Sydney
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 02:16:17 AM GMT+11, Eric Marth <
> eric...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

2022-12-11 Thread Jason Fuller

Slin, that's a fun idea to do it as a family tree kind of infographic!  I
haven't gotten around to polishing this into a digital form like I meant
to, but with the holiday break coming up I might take the opportunity to
then, and am really liking this idea of doing it as a branched structure
based on successors

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 7:14 PM Slin  wrote:

> @Jason - this is really cool! I did a search and came across this because
> I was thinking about doing something very similar but also including when
> the models were discontinued and any lineage type relationships:
>
> Atlantis <-> Appaloosa
>
> Glorius/Wilbury -> Betty Foy/Yves Gomez -> Cheviot -> Platypus
>
>
> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 3:13:18 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Marty - those photoshops are amazing.
>>
>> Tom - it's having the same effect on me; it's a problem. I am now in
>> search of a Rosco step thru in the 54/55 size.
>>
>> On Friday, 3 December 2021 at 13:17:21 UTC-8 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>>> This thread is the best reading I've done this week, although it makes
>>> me want *all-the-Rivs*!
>>>
>>> Tom (in Miami, where it's peak riding season)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:37:13 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 I'll have to check out that thread.

 As a gray/orange Hunqapillar owner, I much prefer the darker shade of
 orange shown in your photo here.

 On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 6:25:39 AM UTC-6 Marty Gierke,
 Stewartstown PA wrote:

> To satisify my own itch, I did a series of photoshop mockups of the
> first diagatube Hunqapillars beginning Monday, April 5th at 7:59am. Two
> versions - one that is like the production version we ended up with, and
> another that had extended "mixte" like tubes that ended near the rear
> dropouts. (That one sort of became the Bombadil ultimately.) These first
> mockups led to more than 20 others, prompted by an email from Grant who 
> saw
> the posts here and wanted to explore different color combos and other
> details. It all happened pretty fast. Here are mockups #1 and #2, and a
> couple others along the way. If you look closely at the front tire
> markings, you can see how I kept track of the various mockups. For the
> record, here is the thread where these were revealed and all of this is
> discussed (passionately!):
>
> DiagaHunq Discussion
> 
>
> It was fun to be a small part of the history of this great bike. I
> owned one for a short time, but it was way too small for me, and had some
> damage. Looking back, those chainstays look ridiculously short! My current
> Clem H is all the Hunq I need now.
>
> Marty
>
> [image: DiagHunq1.jpg][image: DiagHunq2.jpg]
>
> FYI - to facilitate the mockups I was using a pic that was posted on
> the Riv site somewhere - it was Jay's bike:
>
> [image: Jay_s_H.jpg]
>
> This one in orange and grey, with a cork lift handle idea. Not sure
> who's bike this was.
> [image: Hunqamarty 10.0.jpg]
>
> OK - this one was a stretch...
> [image: Hunqamarty 8.0.jpg]
>
> And a black & grey version I kind of liked. with graphics on the
> mid-tube.
> [image: Hunqamarty 21.0.jpg]
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:15:22 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Michael - they switched from the dual TT style to the diaga-tube in
>> 2010 on Bombadils :)  So the diaga is the newer versio
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

2022-12-11 Thread Slin

@Jason - this is really cool! I did a search and came across this because I 
was thinking about doing something very similar but also including when the 
models were discontinued and any lineage type relationships:

Atlantis <-> Appaloosa 

Glorius/Wilbury -> Betty Foy/Yves Gomez -> Cheviot -> Platypus


On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 3:13:18 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Marty - those photoshops are amazing. 
>
> Tom - it's having the same effect on me; it's a problem. I am now in 
> search of a Rosco step thru in the 54/55 size. 
>
> On Friday, 3 December 2021 at 13:17:21 UTC-8 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> This thread is the best reading I've done this week, although it makes me 
>> want *all-the-Rivs*!
>>
>> Tom (in Miami, where it's peak riding season)
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:37:13 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I'll have to check out that thread.
>>>
>>> As a gray/orange Hunqapillar owner, I much prefer the darker shade of 
>>> orange shown in your photo here.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 6:25:39 AM UTC-6 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 To satisify my own itch, I did a series of photoshop mockups of the 
 first diagatube Hunqapillars beginning Monday, April 5th at 7:59am. Two 
 versions - one that is like the production version we ended up with, and 
 another that had extended "mixte" like tubes that ended near the rear 
 dropouts. (That one sort of became the Bombadil ultimately.) These first 
 mockups led to more than 20 others, prompted by an email from Grant who 
 saw 
 the posts here and wanted to explore different color combos and other 
 details. It all happened pretty fast. Here are mockups #1 and #2, and a 
 couple others along the way. If you look closely at the front tire 
 markings, you can see how I kept track of the various mockups. For the 
 record, here is the thread where these were revealed and all of this is 
 discussed (passionately!):  

 DiagaHunq Discussion 
 

 It was fun to be a small part of the history of this great bike. I 
 owned one for a short time, but it was way too small for me, and had some 
 damage. Looking back, those chainstays look ridiculously short! My current 
 Clem H is all the Hunq I need now. 

 Marty

 [image: DiagHunq1.jpg][image: DiagHunq2.jpg]

 FYI - to facilitate the mockups I was using a pic that was posted on 
 the Riv site somewhere - it was Jay's bike:

 [image: Jay_s_H.jpg]

 This one in orange and grey, with a cork lift handle idea. Not sure 
 who's bike this was. 
 [image: Hunqamarty 10.0.jpg]

 OK - this one was a stretch...
 [image: Hunqamarty 8.0.jpg]

 And a black & grey version I kind of liked. with graphics on the 
 mid-tube.
 [image: Hunqamarty 21.0.jpg]


 On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:15:22 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Michael - they switched from the dual TT style to the diaga-tube in 
> 2010 on Bombadils :)  So the diaga is the newer versio



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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

2022-12-11 Thread Ryan Frahm

Most pedals I’ve had do not spin at all. I can’t imagine that resistance 
doesn’t add up on a long day (with all those watts I put down!). Even if 
it’s a perceived gain, I’ll take it!

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 6:50:38 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> All of this aside, when do you need a pedal to spin more than 1/4 turn? 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:49:52 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> I believe MKS uses varying grades of bearings in their pedals. For 
>> example, they sell the Sylvan pedals at several different price points and 
>> the deluxe super-spinner bearings are in the more expensive version. 
>>
>> Behold: the Bubblies have better bearings than the Bears? 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:10:22 AM UTC-5 joshm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have blue lug sharks that I've put upwards of 2k miles on this year 
>>> and they don't spin like any of my mks pedals. They're great/look great but 
>>> I'm fairly certain they are the last non-mks pedals I'll buy and I'm pretty 
>>> ok with that. Of course ymmv...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, 9:29 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
 The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, 
 the Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger 
 platform of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set 
 to replace my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear 
 traps at all. 

 On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, 
> and/or you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease 
> either. 
> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the 
> bearing 
> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 
>
> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin 
> freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs 
> because 
> they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means 
> one 
> will spin better or worse than the other.
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair 
>> plus add some vintage charm!
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Max,
>>>
>>> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
>>> observation.
>>>
>>> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals 
>>> and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong 
>>> with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different 
>>> level.
>>>
>>> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your 
>>> decision, you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down 
>>> the 
>>> road you get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all 
>>> that 
>>> much.
>>>
>>> Jared in SLO
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Hi Everyone,

 I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went 
 to my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly 
 pedals - I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but 
 unfortunately 
 they only had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks 
 website, 
 but the polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in 
 about 
 a month at best)

 Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear 
 Trap III and ordered them in silver. 

 They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less 
 smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive 
 $62 vs 
 $100 but still, is this normal?

 Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational 
 performance?

 Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?

 Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.

 Max in Boston

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

2022-12-11 Thread 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch

Philip,

Thanks for the comment on the Bontrager CX. Yes, I did find one other filet 
brazed Bonty CX online. Not something Keith was prone to do. A very 
practical guy, who believed in a useful, long-lived frame. (Thus the 
gussets he would sometimes use in his MTB bikes.) 
I do imagine he had never gotten a request for a frame with nickel-plated 
or chromed stays and fork blades though! This bike has served me well over 
the years, sometimes as the original 3x7; sometimes as my single speed; 
currently as a 1x7 - before 1x drivetrains were much of a "thing". (I stole 
the idea from actual CX racers, though I never raced CX.)
And yes, today I would never butcher any handlebars li that. It was done 
out of pure naiveté. Getting to see what others were doing back then was 
difficult. Not like today with the Internet. 
What put it into my head in the first place was a 1987 article in Mountain 
Bike Action magazine:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48063895973/in/album-72157709086228276/
Once it was in my head, I could never get it out! Looking at it today, it 
seems like "underbiking" but CX was limited to 32 mm tires, after all. All 
this was before Grant and his "country bike" evangelization, which may not 
have been ground-breaking but was certainly influential. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:09:26 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Wow, that CX bike is incredible. Did you ever hear from anyone else with a 
> fillet-brazed Bontrager cyclocross bike? 
>
> To stay on topic - cutting the sweep ends off flared drops is inadvisable, 
> and the Portola bars are very similar to the RM-3s, Midge, and original 
> WTB. 
>
> I had a LeMond for a while with Portola bars. that was stolen. 
>
> Here’s a $20 Midge bar in SF: 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bop/d/san-francisco-on-one-midge-bar/7560429801.html
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Drew, Philip & others, 
>> While this is not a Rivendell, the bike does sport the Soma Portolas in 
>> this discussion. They are on a Bontrager CX that I commissioned from Keith 
>> Bontrager in 1989:
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842/with/33876168088/
>> Ironically, when I built it up, used the original WTB Dirt Drops - also a 
>> part of this discussion - with a custom filet brazed stem by Steve Potts. 
>> (I'm covering all the bases here!)
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html
>> Being an east coaster, my only experience with the bars (and bar end 
>> shifters)  was a short ride on Jacquie Phelan's Cunningham Indian while she 
>> was in Massachusetts for the first Ross Stage Race in 1986 -1987. That's 
>> why the bars are truncated like that. I had figured on some tight trail 
>> rides for the bike, but I wound up using it more for fire roads. (I 
>> regretted cutting them, so did an update on some of the components a few 
>> years ago.)
>> Essentially, the shallow drops make them more accessible for doing 
>> shorter, more demanding riding than road stuff, in my opinion.
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt 
>>> drop, which Soma is selling: 
>>>
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910
>>>
>>> I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and 
>>> I would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.
>>>
>>> Drew
>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for 
 many of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar 
 profile to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.

 Will

 On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:

> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>
> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider, 
> more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though 
> like 
> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside 
> down 
> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position). 
> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m 
> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it. 
>
> Description from soma:
> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a 
> 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for 
> adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. 
> Grips 
> have a slight

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-11 Thread Joe Bernard

I believe Watson is hoping to find a wheel (Chris King hub, actually) with 
an 8-speed cassette already on it, which might explain his phrasing. 

My Riv uses a WI hub with an 11-speed-sized freehub, it comes with a spacer 
that you put on first if you want to install an 8/9/10-speed cassette.*

* Now to muddy the waters. A lot of wide-range 11-speed cassettes actually 
fit like an 8/9/10, the big cog is lipped over to fit on 8/9/10 freehubs. 
On my bike with a SunRace 11-50 11-speed cassette I use the spacer. Not 
confusing at all! 

Joe "more information than you need" Bernard 
On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and woolly 
> mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when Oliphaunt 
> was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a cease-and-desist from 
> the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>
> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I sure 
> love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on the 
> Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge 
> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need 
> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary 
> components.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J  wrote:
>
> Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
> “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
> bike.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if 
>> others have insight. 
>>
>> Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
>> the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
>> Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
>> changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 
>>
>> Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
>> say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
>> guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
>> Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
>> of inspiration as well. 
>>
>> Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
>> erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
>> to be a full-time YouTube person. 
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
>>> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
>>> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
 might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
 are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
 expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
 I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of 
 his appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a 
 main inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But 
 then, he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property 
 names and references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, 
 but there may be others:

 Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
 Fellowship of the Ring is formed
 Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
 Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
 Sackville-Bagginses
 Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
 out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
 Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the 
 dismay of many fans.
 Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
 Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits 
 Merry and Pippin during the Ent Moot

 Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but

Re: [RBW] Is there a 31.8 clamp drop bar comparable to a Nitto Noodle 54cm?

2022-12-11 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

Patrick:
Please, clarify what you mean by "best road drop bar on the market at least for
non-brifter brake levers."
I have a set of Ultegra brifters I'm wanting to install on my newly purchased
HR Randonneur bars, as you know are similar to the Maes Parrallel.
Scott

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:10:08 AM MST, Patrick Moore
wrote:

I use the Maes Parallel on 3 bikes and IMO it's the best road drop bar on the
market at least for non-brifter brake levers: longish reach, long flat ramps,
modest drop, flat hooks. It does come in 31.8.
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:34 AM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch
wrote:

Steve,
Are you in same position I am, looking for a 31.8 drop?
Did you see the RH Maes Parallel on the their site?
Thoughts?!
Has anyone else tried the RH Randonneur or Maes Parallel? Takes, please?
Best,
Scott

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 05:37:57 AM MST, Steven Sweedler
wrote:

Scott, yesterday on the Bob list I asked about comparisons of the Noodle and
the RH Randonneur bar that comes in 31.8. The two responders liked both bars
and had used them for years. Steve
On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:07 PM 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch
wrote:

Hey, all:
I'm wanting to try a 54cm Nitto Noodle drop, but I want to keep my 31.8
Faceplater to facilitate cockpit changes.

Anyone know of a comparable bar or solution? Maybe I should just get a Noodle
and stem for change outs...
Also, am I on the right track going with a Noodle (54cm cuz I'm tall)? I plan
on using it as a cockpit option for my Atlantis build.

Happy Holidays,
Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-11 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

Joe, I think you're on to something there.
Road graders (as in Caterpillar tractors) look funky with how long their wheel 
base is, but that long wheel base serves a functional purpose, to minimize the 
effects that slight changes in wheel elevation have on blade elevation 
(analogous to where one sits on a bike).

Furthermore, I may be wrong (not unusual), but it seems a longer wheel base 
bike would, ratio-wise, weight the front end more, to a degree (at least it 
does in the dirt bike world).
Scott


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  On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 2:46 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:   My 
very short, non-scientific and probably wrong opinion is: The uber-long-stay 
bikes are noticeably more comfortable on choppy roads, but it's not a huge 
difference from the older style. Both are great, the longies feel (to me) like 
somebody added one of those suspension blocks from a Brompton behind the BB 
shell. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 11:34:12 AM UTC-8 J J wrote:

Hi Masa, thanks for your kind message.
You asked "Can I ask you how you describe the feel of the shorter wheelbase 
Rivs please?" — in brief, I find the ride of the shorter wheelbase Rivs 
wonderful! 
Perhaps all of the characteristic differences between short and long wheelbase 
Rivs are relative, and it's hard for me to speak about the longer wheelbase 
models comparatively because I have only ridden one of them, and for a short 
time. The Hunqapillar has always felt very stable and comfortable to me 
regardless of the riding surface (pavement or off road), surface conditions, or 
loads that I carry (whether heavily loaded in the front, the back, both front 
and back, or unloaded). It tracks straight and inspires confidence. 
But I think it's important to note that the Hunq's "short" wheelbase is short 
only relative to the newer super long wheelbase Rivs, not short to most other 
bicycles. Grant was singing the virtues of Riv's long chain stays many, many 
years before Riv started producing super long models. 
Folks who have more recent very long Rivs rave about how stable and comfortable 
they are. I'd love to ride one for longer because it sounds fantastic. I'm sure 
your Platypus rides beautifully!
While the old Toyo Atlantis has a shorter wheelbase and chain stay than the 
Hunq, its ride is similarly stable and confidence inspiring. It does feel a 
touch more nimble, more easily maneuverable. (And I love the classic 
proportions and aesthetics of the Atlantis.) The front end is floppier than the 
Hunq's and I'm not sure if that is because of the geometry differences or 
because it has a narrow drop bar. I have noticeably more toe clip overlap on 
the Atlantis than the Hunq. I will be getting an upright, swept back bar for 
the Atlantis (I have Bosco on the Hunq) because riding drop bars very much 
hurts my shoulders and wrists. I'm curious how upright bars will change how the 
Atlantis feels. I have much wider tires on the Hunq (55mm) than the Atlantis 
(40mm), which also affect the feel. I will get wider tires for the Atlantis, 
too.
I very much take to heart a point Grant makes over and over: many factors and 
many variables beyond geometry numbers affect how a bike rides and feels. 
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:39:04 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:

Hi Jim, I too am really enjoying this thread to know how the people ride/plan 
their Rivendells!I can easily tell that how your Rivs are beautiful even from 
the head badges:)
Can I ask you how you describe the feel of the shorter wheelbase Rivs 
please?Since my only Riv is Platypus which has longer wheelbase and so do 
majority of the current line up of Riv, I'm not familiar with the shorter 
ones.The more I like the feel of the longer wheelbase Riv, the more I'm curious 
how is the feel of the shorter ones.I would like to know how you feel them!
Thanks,Masa
2022年12月8日木曜日 11:33:57 UTC+9 J J:

I’m really enjoying this thread! Thanks for initiating it, Masa.

Like John, I have a Waterford Hunqapillar (58) I bought new from Rivendell. 
Also like John, I have a Toyo Atlantis (61), a recent acquisition. So John's 
post really resonated. 


A few weeks ago someone asked me, “Why did you buy an Atlantis if you already 
have a Hunq?” I really hadn’t thought about that question. I guess the 
implication was that the two bikes had overlap of purpose. 

To my mind it was more like, why wouldn’t I buy the Atlantis? It checked a lot 
of boxes: Toyo built; fully lugged; quintessential Rivendell; beautiful; 
robust; classic good looks; the submarine green. 



I don’t think anything could replace the Hunq, my true all-rounder. I’d buy 
another if the bike gods kindly bestowed one on me. There is precedent in my 
household of having two of the same bike, a Wilbury and a Glorius.


But the more I ride the Atlantis the more I appreciate just how special it is, 
too. It reminds me of the Hunq in robustness, stability, and lovely ride, but 
it is more compact and a bit livelier and lighter. And I could load

Re: [RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

2022-12-11 Thread Ryan

Looks slightly darker than the Bombadil, but  still...a really nice subtle 
yellow. I have seen some lemony yellow Rivs ...and I think that color was 
an option when I ordered my Road in 2000, but I didn't like it as much as , 
say, these 2 iterations of yellow so I went with the Harvest Gold

Thanks for tracking that down, Chris!

I am dying to see how  the fellow from Radavist  will build up that 
Bombadil ! I'm sure he'll post photos and  a story once he does finish 
building it

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:23:32 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:

> Found it and it was a Hillborne!   Taking lighting into account, it could 
> be a very similar or even the exact color as the Bombadil.
>
> [image: 2011-03-07_13_33_39.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:05:36 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I think I've seen a Riv that was a very similar color..maybe a 
>> Hillborne.   I always thought it was a great color for a Riv!
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:28:31 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Eric – man he’s been snapping up Rivs and Ritcheys left and right! I 
>>> love it. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:13:45 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I confirmed with John he got that Bombadil ;) 

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:05:47 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> John Watson (Radavist, Pro’s Closet, etc) just posted what I assume is 
> this same yellow Bombadil on his Instagram stories. Perhaps he’s the one 
> who snagged it?
> john watson (@johnprolly) • Instagram photos and videos 
> 
> instagram.com 
> [image: 120809630_204863527893800_2675339226380751525_n.jpg] 
>  
> 
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> @FoolishGold: Nice pics! That silver Bombadil needs to modifications! 
>
>
> There was some nice Hunq/Bombi discourse on "Which Riv would you 
> resurrect" thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and start a thread. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful 
>> banana frame! 
>>
>> Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many 
>> frames were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-11 Thread Joe Bernard

My very short, non-scientific and probably wrong opinion is: The 
uber-long-stay bikes are noticeably more comfortable on choppy roads, but 
it's not a huge difference from the older style. Both are great, the 
longies feel (to me) like somebody added one of those suspension blocks 
from a Brompton behind the BB shell. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 11:34:12 AM UTC-8 J J wrote:

> Hi Masa, thanks for your kind message.
>
> You asked "Can I ask you how you describe the feel of the shorter 
> wheelbase Rivs please?" — in brief, I find the ride of the shorter 
> wheelbase Rivs wonderful! 
>
> Perhaps all of the characteristic differences between short and long 
> wheelbase Rivs are relative, and it's hard for me to speak about the longer 
> wheelbase models comparatively because I have only ridden one of them, and 
> for a short time. The Hunqapillar has always felt very stable and 
> comfortable to me regardless of the riding surface (pavement or off road), 
> surface conditions, or loads that I carry (whether heavily loaded in the 
> front, the back, both front and back, or unloaded). It tracks straight and 
> inspires confidence. 
>
> But I think it's important to note that the Hunq's "short" wheelbase is 
> short only relative to the newer super long wheelbase Rivs, not short to 
> most other bicycles. Grant was singing the virtues of Riv's long chain 
> stays many, many years before Riv started producing super long models. 
>
> Folks who have more recent very long Rivs rave about how stable and 
> comfortable they are. I'd love to ride one for longer because it sounds 
> fantastic. I'm sure your Platypus rides beautifully!
>
> While the old Toyo Atlantis has a shorter wheelbase and chain stay than 
> the Hunq, its ride is similarly stable and confidence inspiring. It does 
> feel a touch more nimble, more easily maneuverable. (And I love the classic 
> proportions and aesthetics of the Atlantis.) The front end is floppier than 
> the Hunq's and I'm not sure if that is because of the geometry differences 
> or because it has a narrow drop bar. I have noticeably more toe clip 
> overlap on the Atlantis than the Hunq. I will be getting an upright, swept 
> back bar for the Atlantis (I have Bosco on the Hunq) because riding drop 
> bars very much hurts my shoulders and wrists. I'm curious how upright bars 
> will change how the Atlantis feels. I have much wider tires on the Hunq 
> (55mm) than the Atlantis (40mm), which also affect the feel. I will get 
> wider tires for the Atlantis, too.
>
> I very much take to heart a point Grant makes over and over: many factors 
> and many variables beyond geometry numbers affect how a bike rides and 
> feels. 
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:39:04 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim, I too am really enjoying this thread to know how the people 
>> ride/plan their Rivendells!
>> I can easily tell that how your Rivs are beautiful even from the head 
>> badges:)
>>
>> Can I ask you how you describe the feel of the shorter wheelbase Rivs 
>> please?
>> Since my only Riv is Platypus which has longer wheelbase and so do 
>> majority of the current line up of Riv, I'm not familiar with the shorter 
>> ones.
>> The more I like the feel of the longer wheelbase Riv, the more I'm 
>> curious how is the feel of the shorter ones.
>> I would like to know how you feel them!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Masa
>>
>> 2022年12月8日木曜日 11:33:57 UTC+9 J J:
>>
>>> I’m really enjoying this thread! Thanks for initiating it, Masa.
>>>
>>> Like John, I have a Waterford Hunqapillar (58) I bought new from 
>>> Rivendell. Also like John, I have a Toyo Atlantis (61), a recent 
>>> acquisition. So John's post really resonated. 
>>>
>>> [image: Hunqapillar head badge.jpg]
>>>
>>> A few weeks ago someone asked me, “Why did you buy an Atlantis if you 
>>> already have a Hunq?” I really hadn’t thought about that question. I guess 
>>> the implication was that the two bikes had overlap of purpose. 
>>>
>>> To my mind it was more like, why *wouldn’t* I buy the Atlantis? It 
>>> checked a lot of boxes: Toyo built; fully lugged; quintessential Rivendell; 
>>> beautiful; robust; classic good looks; the submarine green. 
>>>
>>> [image: Atlantis head badge.jpg]
>>>
>>> I don’t think anything could replace the Hunq, my true all-rounder. I’d 
>>> buy another if the bike gods kindly bestowed one on me. There is precedent 
>>> in my household of having two of the same bike, a Wilbury and a Glorius.
>>>
>>> [image: Wilbury head badge.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: Glorius head badge.jpg]
>>>
>>> But the more I ride the Atlantis the more I appreciate just how special 
>>> it is, too. It reminds me of the Hunq in robustness, stability, and lovely 
>>> ride, but it is more compact and a bit livelier and lighter. And I could 
>>> load it up if I needed to. I love the feel and aesthetics of the shorter 
>>> wheelbase Rivs. All Rivs are great no matter where they are produced. 
>>> There's something distinctive about the Toyo-built Rivs

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-11 Thread Jay Lonner

This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary components.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J wrote:Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the bike.On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if others have insight. Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point of inspiration as well. Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want to be a full-time YouTube person. On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build videos. Sorry for the tangent.On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there may be others:Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the Fellowship of the Ring is formedBaggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and FrodoSackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the Sackville-BagginsesBombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the dismay of many fans.Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the RingQuickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry and Pippin during the Ent MootCan anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is different. Also, it might not be Indiana.On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about these two models. On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the origins and intended uses of these frames. I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these bikes along with pictures of builds. Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another thread, there's some great info there. The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdfThe first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I

[RBW] WTT: My Paul Touring for your Neo-Retro

2022-12-11 Thread Collin A

Hey Bunch,

I'm trying to make my front dynamo+rack+fender clearance work on my 
appaloosa and having one heck of a time with it using the touring 
cantilever brake (lower straddle cable needed for these brakes). I wanted 
to check if anyone here has a *polished* neo-retro that they wanted to 
trade with my touring *polished. *Just one wheels worth!

Cheers,
Collin in "oh my god we actually have rain here" Sacramento, CA

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-11 Thread J J

Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
“Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
bike.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if others 
> have insight. 
>
> Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
> the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
> Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
> changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 
>
> Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
> say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
> guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
> Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
> of inspiration as well. 
>
> Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
> erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
> to be a full-time YouTube person. 
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
>> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
>> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
>>> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
>>> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
>>> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
>>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
>>> appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
>>> inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
>>> he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
>>> references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
>>> may be others:
>>>
>>> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
>>> Fellowship of the Ring is formed
>>> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
>>> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
>>> Sackville-Bagginses
>>> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
>>> out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
>>> Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the 
>>> dismay of many fans.
>>> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
>>> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits 
>>> Merry and Pippin during the Ent Moot
>>>
>>> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>>
 The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling 
 is different. Also, it might not be Indiana.

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
> these two models. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
>> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and 
>> lugs. 
>> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
>> the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> ,
>>  there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the 
>> picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
>> got 
>> a Hunq) so

Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-11 Thread J J

Hi Masa, thanks for your kind message.

You asked "Can I ask you how you describe the feel of the shorter wheelbase 
Rivs please?" — in brief, I find the ride of the shorter wheelbase Rivs 
wonderful! 

Perhaps all of the characteristic differences between short and long 
wheelbase Rivs are relative, and it's hard for me to speak about the longer 
wheelbase models comparatively because I have only ridden one of them, and 
for a short time. The Hunqapillar has always felt very stable and 
comfortable to me regardless of the riding surface (pavement or off road), 
surface conditions, or loads that I carry (whether heavily loaded in the 
front, the back, both front and back, or unloaded). It tracks straight and 
inspires confidence. 

But I think it's important to note that the Hunq's "short" wheelbase is 
short only relative to the newer super long wheelbase Rivs, not short to 
most other bicycles. Grant was singing the virtues of Riv's long chain 
stays many, many years before Riv started producing super long models. 

Folks who have more recent very long Rivs rave about how stable and 
comfortable they are. I'd love to ride one for longer because it sounds 
fantastic. I'm sure your Platypus rides beautifully!

While the old Toyo Atlantis has a shorter wheelbase and chain stay than the 
Hunq, its ride is similarly stable and confidence inspiring. It does feel a 
touch more nimble, more easily maneuverable. (And I love the classic 
proportions and aesthetics of the Atlantis.) The front end is floppier than 
the Hunq's and I'm not sure if that is because of the geometry differences 
or because it has a narrow drop bar. I have noticeably more toe clip 
overlap on the Atlantis than the Hunq. I will be getting an upright, swept 
back bar for the Atlantis (I have Bosco on the Hunq) because riding drop 
bars very much hurts my shoulders and wrists. I'm curious how upright bars 
will change how the Atlantis feels. I have much wider tires on the Hunq 
(55mm) than the Atlantis (40mm), which also affect the feel. I will get 
wider tires for the Atlantis, too.

I very much take to heart a point Grant makes over and over: many factors 
and many variables beyond geometry numbers affect how a bike rides and 
feels. 

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:39:04 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:

> Hi Jim, I too am really enjoying this thread to know how the people 
> ride/plan their Rivendells!
> I can easily tell that how your Rivs are beautiful even from the head 
> badges:)
>
> Can I ask you how you describe the feel of the shorter wheelbase Rivs 
> please?
> Since my only Riv is Platypus which has longer wheelbase and so do 
> majority of the current line up of Riv, I'm not familiar with the shorter 
> ones.
> The more I like the feel of the longer wheelbase Riv, the more I'm curious 
> how is the feel of the shorter ones.
> I would like to know how you feel them!
>
> Thanks,
> Masa
>
> 2022年12月8日木曜日 11:33:57 UTC+9 J J:
>
>> I’m really enjoying this thread! Thanks for initiating it, Masa.
>>
>> Like John, I have a Waterford Hunqapillar (58) I bought new from 
>> Rivendell. Also like John, I have a Toyo Atlantis (61), a recent 
>> acquisition. So John's post really resonated. 
>>
>> [image: Hunqapillar head badge.jpg]
>>
>> A few weeks ago someone asked me, “Why did you buy an Atlantis if you 
>> already have a Hunq?” I really hadn’t thought about that question. I guess 
>> the implication was that the two bikes had overlap of purpose. 
>>
>> To my mind it was more like, why *wouldn’t* I buy the Atlantis? It 
>> checked a lot of boxes: Toyo built; fully lugged; quintessential Rivendell; 
>> beautiful; robust; classic good looks; the submarine green. 
>>
>> [image: Atlantis head badge.jpg]
>>
>> I don’t think anything could replace the Hunq, my true all-rounder. I’d 
>> buy another if the bike gods kindly bestowed one on me. There is precedent 
>> in my household of having two of the same bike, a Wilbury and a Glorius.
>>
>> [image: Wilbury head badge.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Glorius head badge.jpg]
>>
>> But the more I ride the Atlantis the more I appreciate just how special 
>> it is, too. It reminds me of the Hunq in robustness, stability, and lovely 
>> ride, but it is more compact and a bit livelier and lighter. And I could 
>> load it up if I needed to. I love the feel and aesthetics of the shorter 
>> wheelbase Rivs. All Rivs are great no matter where they are produced. 
>> There's something distinctive about the Toyo-built Rivs that's hard to pin 
>> down. 
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 2:03:24 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Shoji,
>>>
>>> Thank you for educating me on Atlantis history and sharing the 
>>> article...much appreciated!
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:02:01 AM MST, Shoji Takahashi <
>>> shoji.t...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>> "Atlantis 2" on Rivendell's model is because Bridgestone had an 
>>> "Atlantis" model, designed by Hiro Watanabe. 
>>>
>>> You can read

[RBW] Wtb: Bigger Joe, Atlantis

2022-12-11 Thread 'N Mehring' via RBW Owners Bunch

Hey All! Looking to build a new Riv. I sold my Atlantis due to it being too 
small (55)  i always felt way to cramped on it now I have been off my bike 
for a while and want to jump back in. Please let me know if you have 
anything bigger than a 55! I am 6 foot 2 with a shorter pbh, which led me 
to believe a 55 would work. Thanks! Also, condition does not need to be 
pristine, I am not concerned with the looks as much.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-11 Thread Eric Marth

Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if others 
have insight. 

Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have the 
screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 

Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
of inspiration as well. 

Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the erratic 
upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want to be a 
full-time YouTube person. 
On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire your 
> style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build videos. 
> Sorry for the tangent.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
>> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
>> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
>> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
>> appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
>> inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
>> he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
>> references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
>> may be others:
>>
>> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
>> Fellowship of the Ring is formed
>> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
>> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
>> Sackville-Bagginses
>> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
>> out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
>> Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the 
>> dismay of many fans.
>> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
>> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
>> and Pippin during the Ent Moot
>>
>> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
>>> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
 these two models. 

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
> the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> ,
>  there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
> got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
> here .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names

Re: [RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

2022-12-11 Thread Chris L

I think I've seen a Riv that was a very similar color..maybe a 
Hillborne.   I always thought it was a great color for a Riv!

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:28:31 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Eric – man he’s been snapping up Rivs and Ritcheys left and right! I love 
> it. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:13:45 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I confirmed with John he got that Bombadil ;) 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:05:47 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John Watson (Radavist, Pro’s Closet, etc) just posted what I assume is 
>>> this same yellow Bombadil on his Instagram stories. Perhaps he’s the one 
>>> who snagged it?
>>> john watson (@johnprolly) • Instagram photos and videos 
>>> 
>>> instagram.com 
>>> [image: 120809630_204863527893800_2675339226380751525_n.jpg] 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> @FoolishGold: Nice pics! That silver Bombadil needs to modifications! 
>>>
>>>
>>> There was some nice Hunq/Bombi discourse on "Which Riv would you 
>>> resurrect" thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and start a thread. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana 
 frame! 

 Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many 
 frames were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-11 Thread MoVelo

I see I hit the send button prematurely. The Ram BB drop is listed as 77mm 
not the 70mm I mistakenly wrote in the previous post.

JP

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:14:14 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:

> Patrick Moore asked these questions, and since I own both a Ram and 
> Legolas I will attempt to answer them. Be forewarned I am not the best 
> writer, nor do I believe I am the best at describing the subtleties of 
> various different bikes (ie handling, ride and so forth).
>
>  "planing"? -- to the Roadeo or to the Rambouillet, or to the old Road 
> Standard or to an older Road Custom?>
>
> The short answers is that my Ram has a lower bottom bracket (7mm) which 
> seems a small increment but does make the Ram handle a bet less twitchier 
> than the Legolas. I will say I was looking to move the Legolas along until 
> I found someone to thread the steerer tube for me. Evidently the flex the 
> cockpit now possesses now makes the bike much more comfortable yet still 
> comparatively twitcher , or more subject to minute steering inputs, which 
> perhaps can be attributed to the one degree steeper seat tube angle? 
>
> I currently have my Ram set up 650b which allows me to run a true 42mm 
> width which works well for the loose river run gravel the local road 
> department folks like to slather about. 
> I have no peddle strike issues with the Ram with the 650b conversion, but 
> I will say that I do not peddle thru corners.
>
>  handling or feel?>
>
> Yes, the Legolas BB drop is 70mm whilst the Rambouillet BB drop is 70mm. 
> In my opinion this does make the Ram feel more stable but slower. The 
> Legolas has .5mm longer chain stays than the Ram which should theoretically 
> make it a bit more stable. 
>
> The head tube angle is the same for the two sizes  have. 59cm for the 
> Legolas, 58cm for the Ram. 
>
> What I don't know is the weight difference. The Legolas seems lighter to 
> me yet stiffer, or less 'planey', but I'm sure the tires make a bigger 
> difference in that regard.
>
>
> 
>
> I am experimenting with this and currently run a Gravel King 43mm up front 
>  which is a true 43mm; and a Soma Vitesse 42mm in the back which is 
> actually 40mm width. looks like I could squeeze a true 42mm in there if I 
> could find one. I see on Rene Herse website they say 44mm is in actuality a 
> 42mm on the type of rims I have. I'm not sure the extra 2mm in width back 
> there is worth it tho. I am running these with tubes and OS (thanks for the 
> huge tip on that), but might experiment with tubeless when the weather 
> becomes more agreeable.
>
> Both bikes I would consider all-rounders. The Ram with the 42mm width tire 
> is a great gravel/country road bike. I am currently running Panaracer 
> Pari-motos which I love. I have the ability to easily change the wheels by 
> sliding the Tektro 559's to the top of the slot for 700c and the bottom of 
> the slot for 650b. I know a lot of folks on this list do not like the 559s 
> breaking feel or strength but I have no complaints. I will say tho that I 
> live in the flatlands and do not have miles long descents to contend with.
>
> The Legolas now with the handlebar makeover and my testing with wider 
> tires is becoming more lovable. With 35mm or 38mm it is a go fast road 
> bike, with the 42mm tires it is a very capable gravel/dirt/country road 
> bike. 
>
> Let me know if you have more questions. I posted pics of both bikes a few 
> days back in this thread if you want to see them.
>
> I apologize that this has gotten a bit long winded and so to quote Twain 
> "it would be a lot short if I had more time".
>
>  Cheers
> James P
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:28:53 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick, my Platypus has got 43c Gravel King SS ＋ SKS fender and there 
>> is still some space but I don't think it's possible to have 50mm tires.
>> I can see that this "what's for 2nd Rivendell" question could be "which 
>> bike can be most practical" and the answer would be different for each one 
>> of us. And it's really interesting for me to know the different answers!
>>
>> Masa
>>
>> 2022年12月11日日曜日 16:13:21 UTC+9 Patrick Moore:
>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>>> > Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if 
>>> you could own.
>>>
>>> > Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind 
>>> of roads? Any definition is welcome.
>>>
>>> > I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it 
>>> everywhere for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would 
>>> like to know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs 
>>> already as a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>>>
>>> > I hope you enjoy the topic!
>>>
>>> > Masa
>>>
>>> For me it's easy: a gofast road bike (to make up for my slowness) and a 
>>> very similar model but built for all rounder -- pavement + light dirt 
>>> -- and errand riding. So perhaps a Roadeo and a Legolas

Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-11 Thread MoVelo

Patrick Moore asked these questions, and since I own both a Ram and Legolas 
I will attempt to answer them. Be forewarned I am not the best writer, nor 
do I believe I am the best at describing the subtleties of various 
different bikes (ie handling, ride and so forth).

The short answers is that my Ram has a lower bottom bracket (7mm) which 
seems a small increment but does make the Ram handle a bet less twitchier 
than the Legolas. I will say I was looking to move the Legolas along until 
I found someone to thread the steerer tube for me. Evidently the flex the 
cockpit now possesses now makes the bike much more comfortable yet still 
comparatively twitcher , or more subject to minute steering inputs, which 
perhaps can be attributed to the one degree steeper seat tube angle? 

I currently have my Ram set up 650b which allows me to run a true 42mm 
width which works well for the loose river run gravel the local road 
department folks like to slather about. 
I have no peddle strike issues with the Ram with the 650b conversion, but I 
will say that I do not peddle thru corners.

Yes, the Legolas BB drop is 70mm whilst the Rambouillet BB drop is 70mm. In 
my opinion this does make the Ram feel more stable but slower. The Legolas 
has .5mm longer chain stays than the Ram which should theoretically make it 
a bit more stable. 

The head tube angle is the same for the two sizes  have. 59cm for the 
Legolas, 58cm for the Ram. 

What I don't know is the weight difference. The Legolas seems lighter to me 
yet stiffer, or less 'planey', but I'm sure the tires make a bigger 
difference in that regard.

I am experimenting with this and currently run a Gravel King 43mm up front 
 which is a true 43mm; and a Soma Vitesse 42mm in the back which is 
actually 40mm width. looks like I could squeeze a true 42mm in there if I 
could find one. I see on Rene Herse website they say 44mm is in actuality a 
42mm on the type of rims I have. I'm not sure the extra 2mm in width back 
there is worth it tho. I am running these with tubes and OS (thanks for the 
huge tip on that), but might experiment with tubeless when the weather 
becomes more agreeable.

Both bikes I would consider all-rounders. The Ram with the 42mm width tire 
is a great gravel/country road bike. I am currently running Panaracer 
Pari-motos which I love. I have the ability to easily change the wheels by 
sliding the Tektro 559's to the top of the slot for 700c and the bottom of 
the slot for 650b. I know a lot of folks on this list do not like the 559s 
breaking feel or strength but I have no complaints. I will say tho that I 
live in the flatlands and do not have miles long descents to contend with.

The Legolas now with the handlebar makeover and my testing with wider tires 
is becoming more lovable. With 35mm or 38mm it is a go fast road bike, with 
the 42mm tires it is a very capable gravel/dirt/country road bike. 

Let me know if you have more questions. I posted pics of both bikes a few 
days back in this thread if you want to see them.

I apologize that this has gotten a bit long winded and so to quote Twain 
"it would be a lot short if I had more time".

 Cheers
James P

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:28:53 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:

> Hi Patrick, my Platypus has got 43c Gravel King SS ＋ SKS fender and there 
> is still some space but I don't think it's possible to have 50mm tires.
> I can see that this "what's for 2nd Rivendell" question could be "which 
> bike can be most practical" and the answer would be different for each one 
> of us. And it's really interesting for me to know the different answers!
>
> Masa
>
> 2022年12月11日日曜日 16:13:21 UTC+9 Patrick Moore:
>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
>> > Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if 
>> you could own.
>>
>> > Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
>> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>>
>> > I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it 
>> everywhere for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would 
>> like to know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs 
>> already as a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>>
>> > I hope you enjoy the topic!
>>
>> > Masa
>>
>> For me it's easy: a gofast road bike (to make up for my slowness) and a 
>> very similar model but built for all rounder -- pavement + light dirt 
>> -- and errand riding. So perhaps a Roadeo and a Legolas or perhaps a repeat 
>> of my 1999 custom and another one that can take 42s and fenders.
>>
>> If Clems and Platypuses or Atlantises (note proper English plurals) could 
>> fit 50 mm tires and fenders I'd sneak in a second #2 for more dirt biased 
>> riding. Anything under 50 mm is no good for our sand, and even 50 is too 
>> hard and skinny.
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

2022-12-11 Thread Philip Williamson

Wow, that CX bike is incredible. Did you ever hear from anyone else with a
fillet-brazed Bontrager cyclocross bike?

To stay on topic - cutting the sweep ends off flared drops is inadvisable,
and the Portola bars are very similar to the RM-3s, Midge, and original
WTB.

I had a LeMond for a while with Portola bars. that was stolen.

Here’s a $20 Midge bar in SF:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bop/d/san-francisco-on-one-midge-bar/7560429801.html

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Drew, Philip & others,
> While this is not a Rivendell, the bike does sport the Soma Portolas in
> this discussion. They are on a Bontrager CX that I commissioned from Keith
> Bontrager in 1989:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842/with/33876168088/
> Ironically, when I built it up, used the original WTB Dirt Drops - also a
> part of this discussion - with a custom filet brazed stem by Steve Potts.
> (I'm covering all the bases here!)
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html
> Being an east coaster, my only experience with the bars (and bar end
> shifters)  was a short ride on Jacquie Phelan's Cunningham Indian while she
> was in Massachusetts for the first Ross Stage Race in 1986 -1987. That's
> why the bars are truncated like that. I had figured on some tight trail
> rides for the bike, but I wound up using it more for fire roads. (I
> regretted cutting them, so did an update on some of the components a few
> years ago.)
> Essentially, the shallow drops make them more accessible for doing
> shorter, more demanding riding than road stuff, in my opinion.
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt drop,
>> which Soma is selling:
>>
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910
>>
>> I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and I
>> would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.
>>
>> Drew
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many
>>> of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile
>>> to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:
>>>
 Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
 Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.

 That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider,
 more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like
 another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down
 and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position).
 I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m
 also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it.

 Description from soma:
 This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a
 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for
 adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips
 have a slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm
 (56cm size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths
 (measured center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center

 On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided
> to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
> drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little
> flare and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm
> tempted by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going
> is casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-11 Thread Eliot B

Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire your 
style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build videos. 
Sorry for the tangent.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
> appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
> inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
> he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
> references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
> may be others:
>
> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
> Fellowship of the Ring is formed
> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
> Sackville-Bagginses
> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits out 
> of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in Middle 
> Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the dismay of 
> many fans.
> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
> and Pippin during the Ent Moot
>
> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
>> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
>>> these two models. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-11 Thread Brian Turner

Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I might 
try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here are, I've 
long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert... 
I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
may be others:

Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
Fellowship of the Ring is formed
Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
Sackville-Bagginses
Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits out 
of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in Middle 
Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the dismay of 
many fans.
Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
and Pippin during the Ent Moot

Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
>> these two models. 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>>
>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>>
>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>>> thread 
>>> ,
>>>  there's 
>>> some great info there. 
>>>
>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>>
>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>>
>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>>
>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
>>> here .
>>>
>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

2022-12-11 Thread 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch

Drew, Philip & others, 
While this is not a Rivendell, the bike does sport the Soma Portolas in 
this discussion. They are on a Bontrager CX that I commissioned from Keith 
Bontrager in 1989:
https://flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842/with/33876168088/
Ironically, when I built it up, used the original WTB Dirt Drops - also a 
part of this discussion - with a custom filet brazed stem by Steve Potts. 
(I'm covering all the bases here!)
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html
Being an east coaster, my only experience with the bars (and bar end 
shifters)  was a short ride on Jacquie Phelan's Cunningham Indian while she 
was in Massachusetts for the first Ross Stage Race in 1986 -1987. That's 
why the bars are truncated like that. I had figured on some tight trail 
rides for the bike, but I wound up using it more for fire roads. (I 
regretted cutting them, so did an update on some of the components a few 
years ago.)
Essentially, the shallow drops make them more accessible for doing shorter, 
more demanding riding than road stuff, in my opinion.
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:

> Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt drop, 
> which Soma is selling: 
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910
>
> I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and I 
> would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.
>
> Drew
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many 
>> of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile 
>> to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:
>>
>>> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
>>> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
>>> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>>>
>>> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider, 
>>> more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like 
>>> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down 
>>> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position). 
>>> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m 
>>> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it. 
>>>
>>> Description from soma:
>>> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a 
>>> 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for 
>>> adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips 
>>> have a slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm 
>>> (56cm size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths 
>>> (measured center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey everyone!
 I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided 
 to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
 drops.

 I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little 
 flare and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm 
 tempted by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.

 If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going 
 is casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
 technical or serious.

 Thanks!
 Ben

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-11 Thread E. Ricky Creek

The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
different. Also, it might not be Indiana.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about these 
> two models. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>
>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
>> .
>>
>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>
>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-11 Thread Luke Hendrickson

Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about these 
two models. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> , 
> there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
> .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW had 
> to stop using Tolkien names. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

2022-12-11 Thread Luke Hendrickson

Eric – man he’s been snapping up Rivs and Ritcheys left and right! I love 
it. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:13:45 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, I confirmed with John he got that Bombadil ;) 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:05:47 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> John Watson (Radavist, Pro’s Closet, etc) just posted what I assume is 
>> this same yellow Bombadil on his Instagram stories. Perhaps he’s the one 
>> who snagged it?
>> john watson (@johnprolly) • Instagram photos and videos 
>> 
>> instagram.com 
>> [image: 120809630_204863527893800_2675339226380751525_n.jpg] 
>>  
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> @FoolishGold: Nice pics! That silver Bombadil needs to modifications! 
>>
>>
>> There was some nice Hunq/Bombi discourse on "Which Riv would you 
>> resurrect" thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and start a thread. 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana 
>>> frame! 
>>>
>>> Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many 
>>> frames were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

2022-12-11 Thread Eric Marth

Yeah, I confirmed with John he got that Bombadil ;) 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:05:47 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> John Watson (Radavist, Pro’s Closet, etc) just posted what I assume is 
> this same yellow Bombadil on his Instagram stories. Perhaps he’s the one 
> who snagged it?
> john watson (@johnprolly) • Instagram photos and videos 
> 
> instagram.com 
> [image: 120809630_204863527893800_2675339226380751525_n.jpg] 
>  
> 
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> @FoolishGold: Nice pics! That silver Bombadil needs to modifications! 
>
>
> There was some nice Hunq/Bombi discourse on "Which Riv would you 
> resurrect" thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and start a thread. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana 
>> frame! 
>>
>> Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many frames 
>> were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

2022-12-11 Thread Brian Turner

John Watson (Radavist, Pro’s Closet, etc) just posted what I assume is this same yellow Bombadil on his Instagram stories. Perhaps he’s the one who snagged it?john watson (@johnprolly) • Instagram photos and videosinstagram.comOn Dec 11, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Eric Marth wrote:@FoolishGold: Nice pics! That silver Bombadil needs to modifications! There was some nice Hunq/Bombi discourse on "Which Riv would you resurrect" thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and start a thread. On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana frame! Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many frames were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.

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[RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

2022-12-11 Thread Eric Marth

@FoolishGold: Nice pics! That silver Bombadil needs to modifications! 

There was some nice Hunq/Bombi discourse on "Which Riv would you resurrect" 
thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and start a thread. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana 
> frame! 
>
> Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many frames 
> were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

2022-12-11 Thread Eric Marth

All of this aside, when do you need a pedal to spin more than 1/4 turn? 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:49:52 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> I believe MKS uses varying grades of bearings in their pedals. For 
> example, they sell the Sylvan pedals at several different price points and 
> the deluxe super-spinner bearings are in the more expensive version. 
>
> Behold: the Bubblies have better bearings than the Bears? 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:10:22 AM UTC-5 joshm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have blue lug sharks that I've put upwards of 2k miles on this year and 
>> they don't spin like any of my mks pedals. They're great/look great but I'm 
>> fairly certain they are the last non-mks pedals I'll buy and I'm pretty ok 
>> with that. Of course ymmv...
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, 9:29 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>>> The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, 
>>> the Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger 
>>> platform of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set 
>>> to replace my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear 
>>> traps at all. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, 
 and/or you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
 bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. 
 More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing 
 isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
 adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 

 As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin 
 freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs 
 because 
 they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one 
 will spin better or worse than the other.
 On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus 
> add some vintage charm!
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hey Max,
>>
>> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
>> observation.
>>
>> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals 
>> and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong 
>> with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different 
>> level.
>>
>> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, 
>> you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road 
>> you 
>> get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.
>>
>> Jared in SLO
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went 
>>> to my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly 
>>> pedals - I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but 
>>> unfortunately 
>>> they only had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks 
>>> website, 
>>> but the polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in 
>>> about 
>>> a month at best)
>>>
>>> Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear 
>>> Trap III and ordered them in silver. 
>>>
>>> They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less 
>>> smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive 
>>> $62 vs 
>>> $100 but still, is this normal?
>>>
>>> Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational 
>>> performance?
>>>
>>> Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.
>>>
>>> Max in Boston
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

2022-12-11 Thread Eric Marth

I believe MKS uses varying grades of bearings in their pedals. For example, 
they sell the Sylvan pedals at several different price points and the 
deluxe super-spinner bearings are in the more expensive version. 

Behold: the Bubblies have better bearings than the Bears? 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:10:22 AM UTC-5 joshm...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have blue lug sharks that I've put upwards of 2k miles on this year and 
> they don't spin like any of my mks pedals. They're great/look great but I'm 
> fairly certain they are the last non-mks pedals I'll buy and I'm pretty ok 
> with that. Of course ymmv...
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, 9:29 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
>> The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the 
>> Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform 
>> of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace 
>> my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, 
>>> and/or you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
>>> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. 
>>> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing 
>>> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
>>> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 
>>>
>>> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin 
>>> freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because 
>>> they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one 
>>> will spin better or worse than the other.
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus 
 add some vintage charm!

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Hey Max,
>
> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
> observation.
>
> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals 
> and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong 
> with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different 
> level.
>
> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, 
> you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road 
> you 
> get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.
>
> Jared in SLO
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went 
>> to my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly 
>> pedals - I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but 
>> unfortunately 
>> they only had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, 
>> but the polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in 
>> about 
>> a month at best)
>>
>> Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear 
>> Trap III and ordered them in silver. 
>>
>> They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less 
>> smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 
>> vs 
>> $100 but still, is this normal?
>>
>> Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?
>>
>> Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?
>>
>> Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.
>>
>> Max in Boston
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-11 Thread Masa

Hi Patrick, my Platypus has got 43c Gravel King SS ＋ SKS fender and there 
is still some space but I don't think it's possible to have 50mm tires.
I can see that this "what's for 2nd Rivendell" question could be "which 
bike can be most practical" and the answer would be different for each one 
of us. And it's really interesting for me to know the different answers!

Masa

2022年12月11日日曜日 16:13:21 UTC+9 Patrick Moore:

> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote:
> > Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you 
> could own.
>
> > Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of 
> roads? Any definition is welcome.
>
> > I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere 
> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to 
> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as 
> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv).
>
> > I hope you enjoy the topic!
>
> > Masa
>
> For me it's easy: a gofast road bike (to make up for my slowness) and a 
> very similar model but built for all rounder -- pavement + light dirt 
> -- and errand riding. So perhaps a Roadeo and a Legolas or perhaps a repeat 
> of my 1999 custom and another one that can take 42s and fenders.
>
> If Clems and Platypuses or Atlantises (note proper English plurals) could 
> fit 50 mm tires and fenders I'd sneak in a second #2 for more dirt biased 
> riding. Anything under 50 mm is no good for our sand, and even 50 is too 
> hard and skinny.
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tempt me to sell you my 51cm Bright orange Sam Hillborne

2022-12-11 Thread J S

Colin, I have thought of that.  Also just keeping it as is as it is in
brand new condition.  Thanks.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 2:10 AM Colin  wrote:

> Have you thought about getting it repainted? Would be a lot cheaper/less
> logistics than a brand new frame. I just got the lime color and am planning
> a re-paint in the future
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:41:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> Very Good !
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Re: [RBW] Is there a 31.8 clamp drop bar comparable to a Nitto Noodle 54cm?

2022-12-11 Thread Steven Sweedler

Scott, I wanted a bar at least  as wide as my 48 Noodles, right now
planning on trying the 52 Noodles with a 26.0 clamp. The Maes are 46 at the
widest. Steve

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 2:10 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I use the Maes Parallel on 3 bikes and IMO it's the best road drop bar on
> the market at least for non-brifter brake levers: longish reach, long flat
> ramps, modest drop, flat hooks. It does come in 31.8.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:34 AM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Are you in same position I am, looking for a 31.8 drop?
>>
>> Did you see the RH Maes Parallel on the their site?
>>
>> Thoughts?!
>>
>> Has anyone else tried the RH Randonneur or Maes Parallel? Takes, please?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 05:37:57 AM MST, Steven Sweedler <
>> sweed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Scott, yesterday on the Bob list I asked about comparisons of the Noodle
>> and the RH Randonneur bar that comes in 31.8. The two responders liked both
>> bars and had used them for years. Steve
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:07 PM 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey, all:
>>
>> I'm wanting to try a 54cm Nitto Noodle drop, but I want to keep my 31.8
>> Faceplater to facilitate cockpit changes.
>>
>> Anyone know of a comparable bar or solution? Maybe I should just get a
>> Noodle and stem for change outs...
>>
>> Also, am I on the right track going with a Noodle (54cm cuz I'm tall)? I
>> plan on using it as a cockpit option for my Atlantis build.
>>
>> Happy Holidays,
>>
>> Scott
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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-11 Thread Masa

Hi Stephanie, I actually wanted a Platypus to get around the city and got 
one. I highly recommend you getting one for you for that purpose!
It's so smooth, flexible and also quick. 
I wouldn't have many chances for different kind of rides apart from city 
ride yet and even when I have a chance I would try with the Platypus first 
anyway.

That said, I still can understand the feeling that "what if I want to ride 
on trails or have a slightly more aggressive ride?".
Leah told me that she enjoys her Platys and Clem which sounds like a good 
idea.
Does anyone else have other idea for ＋1 for platypus? I'd like to know it 
as reference.

Please still share other combination apart from Platy＋1 as well!

Masa

2022年12月11日日曜日 5:32:31 UTC+9 Stephanie A.:

> At first I thought I really only wanted a Platypus. I bike to get around 
> the city. What more could I need? And then I started thinking. What if I 
> want to ride on trails or have a slightly more aggressive ride? I can't 
> quite say which I'd have as a second bike without riding any of them, but 
> now I'm thinking I may eventually want an Atlantis, Homer, or Sam...
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:46:08 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Masa!  Yes lots of fun and fun yet to be had!  Here is a link to the 
>> two bikes:
>>
>>  https://flickr.com/photos/197124752@N07/shares/C33fDW3gf1
>>
>> (still learning how to upload photos here, or use my iPhone to add to 
>> conversations)
>>
>> My QB is set up 48-18 free/fixed with a Paul flip flop hub and a SP7 
>> polished front hub laced to polished velocity rims and 700cx42 Cava/Rose 
>> ultradynamico rubber. The crank is Rene Herse SS 171mm crank arm, Paul T 
>> Seatpost, and matching brooks honey saddle with the bar tap.  Bars are 600 
>> Towel Rack that are absolutely lovely.  The brakes are Paul Cantis using 
>> the cx method of mixing the neos with the touring Cantis. funky monkey on 
>> the front for some added braking bling power.  I love this bike its been 
>> used for 150 mile races to causal family riding.  I could see myself 
>> touring with it, but like having it clean and rack free to maintain a light 
>> and fast quick, quickbeam
>>
>> The Hunq is what I call my Disc-o-pHunqapillar, it is a MUSA Waterford 
>> Hunq that has been updated by Waltworks to have disc brakes added, which I 
>> think is a great feature for a heavy touring bike, certainly not critical, 
>> but I like it, especially when I have my twins linked to the back in their 
>> burley trailer.  It is currently under construction:
>> Painting currently pending at D to be the grey/kidneybean/lined lugs 
>> which I think really shines as a classic riv look and fun to have an OG 
>> painting the OG hunq once more
>> Bars will be 630 silver towel racks with grey newbaums and maroon Oury 
>> grips, black and silver drilled TRP levers
>> black cable housing with brass ferrels and brass barrel adjusters
>> rear brake will be the DISC-o part of the pHunq.  I'll have a polished 
>> Paul Klamper short pull here, the front will be polished silver Paul 
>> Neo-canti brakes (going to keep it Canti up front) I think this will give 
>> me ultimate stopping power and a cool/funky (phunqE) look to this bike
>> combo brass/silver headset spacers / polished funky monkey front
>> 1x White industries crank 38t black chainring, silver crank, 12 Spd rear 
>> cassette
>> black hubs front/rear with shutter precision dyno laced to velocity 
>> cliffhanger with 700c Ultradynamico MARZ rubber
>> I have marks hub area rack for panniers and a mini Nitto campee with a 
>> sine wave beacon lamp ready for bags and packing not sure if I'll swap out 
>> for a silver or black pass and stow 5 rail rack instead?  Not sure for the 
>> rear rack at the moment thoughts?
>> Nitto Jaguar Seatpost, Black/copper Ti brooks Seatpost to finish it off.
>> I'll probably start a build thread once I get the Frame/fork back from 
>> Rick.  Stoked for sure!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 5:37:58 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jason, I haven't ridden neither of them but sounds like if you have 
>>> them you can not only ride everywhere but also have fun everywhere as much 
>>> as possible as you said. I would like to see photos of the bikes if 
>>> possible!
>>>
>>> Masa
>>>
>>> 2022年12月10日土曜日 1:38:46 UTC+9 jasonz...@gmail.com:
>>>
 For me, I have a Quickbeam and a Hunqapillar, the riding I do varies 
 from fast road riding to rough gravel riding to dirt mtb single track 
 trails.  I think these two bikes are on opposite ends of the spectrum with 
 wide ranges so I can do most everything I enjoy on a bike!

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:02:49 PM UTC-6 Masa wrote:

> Hi JP, I can't take out my eyes off not only your bikes but records 
> too!
> I think we have more than one thing in common:)
>
> Masa
>
> 2022年12月9日金曜日 3:33:08 UTC+9 MoVelo:
>
>> [image:

[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-11 Thread Masa

Jason, thank you for sharing the Flickr link! the QB and the Hunq are so 
beautiful. I especially like the brown/orange colour combination on the QB. 
Also having thicker tires plus a drop handle bar for a single speed bike is 
fascinating.
I'm using Paul brakes (moto lite V brake) for my Platypus too and they are 
really nice and smooth!

Masa

2022年12月11日日曜日 2:46:08 UTC+9 jasonz...@gmail.com:

> Hi Masa!  Yes lots of fun and fun yet to be had!  Here is a link to the 
> two bikes:
>
>  https://flickr.com/photos/197124752@N07/shares/C33fDW3gf1
>
> (still learning how to upload photos here, or use my iPhone to add to 
> conversations)
>
> My QB is set up 48-18 free/fixed with a Paul flip flop hub and a SP7 
> polished front hub laced to polished velocity rims and 700cx42 Cava/Rose 
> ultradynamico rubber. The crank is Rene Herse SS 171mm crank arm, Paul T 
> Seatpost, and matching brooks honey saddle with the bar tap.  Bars are 600 
> Towel Rack that are absolutely lovely.  The brakes are Paul Cantis using 
> the cx method of mixing the neos with the touring Cantis. funky monkey on 
> the front for some added braking bling power.  I love this bike its been 
> used for 150 mile races to causal family riding.  I could see myself 
> touring with it, but like having it clean and rack free to maintain a light 
> and fast quick, quickbeam
>
> The Hunq is what I call my Disc-o-pHunqapillar, it is a MUSA Waterford 
> Hunq that has been updated by Waltworks to have disc brakes added, which I 
> think is a great feature for a heavy touring bike, certainly not critical, 
> but I like it, especially when I have my twins linked to the back in their 
> burley trailer.  It is currently under construction:
> Painting currently pending at D to be the grey/kidneybean/lined lugs 
> which I think really shines as a classic riv look and fun to have an OG 
> painting the OG hunq once more
> Bars will be 630 silver towel racks with grey newbaums and maroon Oury 
> grips, black and silver drilled TRP levers
> black cable housing with brass ferrels and brass barrel adjusters
> rear brake will be the DISC-o part of the pHunq.  I'll have a polished 
> Paul Klamper short pull here, the front will be polished silver Paul 
> Neo-canti brakes (going to keep it Canti up front) I think this will give 
> me ultimate stopping power and a cool/funky (phunqE) look to this bike
> combo brass/silver headset spacers / polished funky monkey front
> 1x White industries crank 38t black chainring, silver crank, 12 Spd rear 
> cassette
> black hubs front/rear with shutter precision dyno laced to velocity 
> cliffhanger with 700c Ultradynamico MARZ rubber
> I have marks hub area rack for panniers and a mini Nitto campee with a 
> sine wave beacon lamp ready for bags and packing not sure if I'll swap out 
> for a silver or black pass and stow 5 rail rack instead?  Not sure for the 
> rear rack at the moment thoughts?
> Nitto Jaguar Seatpost, Black/copper Ti brooks Seatpost to finish it off.
> I'll probably start a build thread once I get the Frame/fork back from 
> Rick.  Stoked for sure!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jason
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 5:37:58 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason, I haven't ridden neither of them but sounds like if you have 
>> them you can not only ride everywhere but also have fun everywhere as much 
>> as possible as you said. I would like to see photos of the bikes if 
>> possible!
>>
>> Masa
>>
>> 2022年12月10日土曜日 1:38:46 UTC+9 jasonz...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> For me, I have a Quickbeam and a Hunqapillar, the riding I do varies 
>>> from fast road riding to rough gravel riding to dirt mtb single track 
>>> trails.  I think these two bikes are on opposite ends of the spectrum with 
>>> wide ranges so I can do most everything I enjoy on a bike!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:02:49 PM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>>
 Hi JP, I can't take out my eyes off not only your bikes but records too!
 I think we have more than one thing in common:)

 Masa

 2022年12月9日金曜日 3:33:08 UTC+9 MoVelo:

> [image: Rambo1.jpg]Late to the party but these two have kept me happy.
>
> [image: Lego1.jpg]
>
> @Max B; I was really struck with how close your Leoglas is to mine. I 
> usually run Chris King hubs laced to Pacneti rims with RH 700x38s, but am 
> trying some slightly wider rubber here. 
>
> Cheers and Happy Holiday!
>
> JP
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-6 J wrote:
>
>> John- thanks for that GaiaGPS link. It's the first time I've seen it 
>> after hearing about it for years, it's a really nice set up. I really 
>> like 
>> how if you are just scrolling though photos it is simultaneously moving 
>> your point on the route as well in the background. Looks like a lovely 
>> ride. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:00:39 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Masa-san,
>>>
>>> You are

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