Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Joe Bernard]

You are correct sir. I had my custom built to be kind of light/flexy for 
mostly road riding with light loads. I later picked up the Bombadil you now 
own and found that it felt pretty much like a shorter wheelbase version of 
my custom! I presume it would carry more stuff - especially with that 
second toptube - but it's very far from a tank. 

On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:25:40 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I know some people find romance in a bike being described as 
> stout-as-all-get-out, or sturdy enough to survive an apocalypse; for me, 
> that is is a turn-off: I want a bike that is as strong and stiff as I need 
> it to be, but ideally no more than necessary. Especially in the case of 
> steel, because much of the beauty of steel is how it flexes and springs as 
> it works with you during a ride.  So on paper, the Bombadil is not right 
> for me at all (I'm 160lbs) but yet I find it rides lighter and more lively 
> than its tubing spec would ever suggest - certainly, still a pretty solid 
> bike, but nothing 'tank like' about it.  I presume the same is true of the 
> Hunq.  I suppose that's true of all Rivs - they tend to ride lighter and 
> livelier than their specs on paper would suggest. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 13:36:35 UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Overbuilt is exactly the word I think of when it comes to my Bombadil. 
>> It's perfect just like some of the early ATB of yesteryear. Perfect for a 
>> bomb cyclone! Happy holidays everyone!
>>
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:26:48 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would only 
>>> recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In the 
>>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed quite a 
>>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>>
>>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest Hunqapillars 
>>> have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the sides but on some 
>>> bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no point on some bikes and 
>>> pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if this factor 
>>> differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo made some, 
>>> it seems like they did) ones.  
>>>
>>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>>
>>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 006.jpg]
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All,

 I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original 
 Hunqabook" PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.

 On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim 
 wrote:

> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
> Tolkien names.
>
> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
> visit to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the 
> Readers. 
>
> The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
> I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) 
> Flickr feed - 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00_all=1=hunqapillar
>
> There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I 
> visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production 
> - 
> this image shows an unpainted model - 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
> (taken mid-2010)
>
> For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
> kidney bean red - 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF
>
> J
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
>> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
>> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
>> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>>
>> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
>> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
>> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific 
>> White 
>> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my 
>> knowledge 
>> — are current generation rear hubs 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Jason Fuller]

I know some people find romance in a bike being described as 
stout-as-all-get-out, or sturdy enough to survive an apocalypse; for me, 
that is is a turn-off: I want a bike that is as strong and stiff as I need 
it to be, but ideally no more than necessary. Especially in the case of 
steel, because much of the beauty of steel is how it flexes and springs as 
it works with you during a ride.  So on paper, the Bombadil is not right 
for me at all (I'm 160lbs) but yet I find it rides lighter and more lively 
than its tubing spec would ever suggest - certainly, still a pretty solid 
bike, but nothing 'tank like' about it.  I presume the same is true of the 
Hunq.  I suppose that's true of all Rivs - they tend to ride lighter and 
livelier than their specs on paper would suggest. 



On Friday, 23 December 2022 at 13:36:35 UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Overbuilt is exactly the word I think of when it comes to my Bombadil. 
> It's perfect just like some of the early ATB of yesteryear. Perfect for a 
> bomb cyclone! Happy holidays everyone!
>
> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 3:26:48 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would only 
>> recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In the 
>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed quite a 
>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>
>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest Hunqapillars 
>> have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the sides but on some 
>> bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no point on some bikes and 
>> pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if this factor 
>> differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo made some, 
>> it seems like they did) ones.  
>>
>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>
>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>
>>
>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>
>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>
>>
>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>
>> [image: 006.jpg]
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original Hunqabook" 
>>> PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
 "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
 Tolkien names.

 Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
 visit to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the Readers. 

 The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
 I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) 
 Flickr feed - 

 https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00_all=1=hunqapillar

 There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I 
 visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production 
 - 
 this image shows an unpainted model - 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
 (taken mid-2010)

 For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
 kidney bean red - 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF

 J


 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>
> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my 
> knowledge 
> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I 
> need 
> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit 
> contemporary 
> components.
>
> Jay Lonner
>
 Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 

[RBW] New Rivendell Newsletter - End of the year frame round-up !

[Kim Hetzel]

See it all here:
https://mailchi.mp/5aff4d81004d/an-end-of-the-year-frame-restock?e=d93bc6367a

Here's what we have: 
   
  
   - Susies - mostly limeolive - all sizes 
   

 
  
   - Gus frames - mostly mermaid - all sizes 
   

 
  
   - Homers in 58, 61.5, and 64cm 
   
 
   There are two 58cm frames with tiny blemishes - they're discounted.
   - Rosco Platypus frames in all sizes and both colors. 
   



Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

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[RBW] Test

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I posted a message that was bounced back, running a test here
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[RBW] "WTT" - Rivendell Road 56cm - Bay Area

[Huston]

Greetings,

As the title suggests, I am looking to “trade” [details below] a lovely 
56cm 1995 Rivendell road.  The frame measurements are as follows: seat tube 
56cm c-t-t; top tube 57cm c-t-c.  For more details on the Road, please see 
Riv Reader #2, which Reed has kindly made available here 
.  Build list is as follows:


   - Wheels - Shimano 600 Tri-Color 32 hole laced to Ritchey Vantage Comp 
   Roads
   - Tires - Panaracer Pasela 700 x 28
   - Headset - Shimano 600
   - Stem - Nitto Pearl (10cm)
   - Handlebars - Nitto Noodle 44
   - Brake levers - Dia Compe
   - Seatpost - Shimano 600
   - Front Derailleur - Suntour Superbe Pro
   - Bottom Bracket - Shimano UN55
   - Crankset - Sugino XD2-701D (50-34 x 170mm)
   - Pedals - Shimano 600
   - Rear Derailleur - Shimano Ultegra Tri Color (RD-6401)
   - Cassette - Shimano
   - Shifters - Shimano 600 7 speed

Saddle and Cateye bits are not included.  Photos are available here 
.
  
Sorry for the poor quality of the pics.  We are in the middle of this bomb 
cyclone,  and it's dark and -3 outside.

The grey Shimano components look really good on the Riv blue.  If I had to 
guess, I would say that the wheelset is original to the bike.  I think it 
had a mix of Suntour Superbe and Shimano 600 when it came to me.  For good 
measure, the Suntour front derailleur remains.  As for condition, there is 
definite beausage (i.e, plenty of paint blemishes).  Drive side chain stay 
and bottom bracket shell are the worst.  But, the frame is solid: no dents 
or issues to mention.

Letting go of this bike is difficult.  The Riv blue, lugs, and headbadge 
are beautiful.  You might ask, "Why sell?"  The answer: the bike does fit 
me or my current riding style/needs very well.

Now, here's why the title mentions Bay area trade.  I have identified a 
specific bike for which I will trade.  It is currently for sale in the Bay 
area.  I have spoken with the seller, and he is knowledgeable and 
reputable; however, he wants to deal in person and is unwilling to 
facilitate shipping.  So, I need some boots on the ground to make this 
happen.  If you are interested in this quest, please send a PM.  I can 
identify the bike; you can then buy it with your funds (and negotiating 
power) and ship it to me.  Once the wheels are in motion, I can get the Riv 
boxed and ready to go.  I don't want to identify the bike (which is not a 
Riv) in question in this post for a number of reasons.  Let's just say that 
the price is less than $1,500 and that there should be room for negotiation 
if you are a good haggler.

Thanks for your interest.  I know this is an unusual WTT ad, but I'm 
guessing that there's someone who won't mind a little legwork in exchange 
for an old school Riv.
Huston
Lexington, KY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thank you for sharing, Captain.  I do not believe I've ever seen that 
before and also likely my first glimpse of the original Hunqa drawing for 
the headbadge.  Looks like that tall Bombadil in the brochure is the same 
one captured by Jim at HQ as well.

On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 9:02:36 AM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> All,
>
> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original Hunqabook" 
> PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you go.
>
> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
>> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
>> Tolkien names.
>>
>> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during a 
>> visit to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the Readers. 
>>
>> The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and orange.
>> I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still THERE?) Flickr 
>> feed - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00_all=1=hunqapillar
>>
>> There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I visited. 
>> IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in production - this 
>> image shows an unpainted model - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB
>> (taken mid-2010)
>>
>> For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that gorgeous 
>> kidney bean red - 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the name and 
>>> woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed opportunity when 
>>> Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already gotten a 
>>> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?)
>>>
>>> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some attention — I 
>>> sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to John Watson’s build on 
>>> the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down an 8-speed specific White 
>>> Industries freehub. So here’s where I confess to some gaps in my knowledge 
>>> — are current generation rear hubs incompatible with 8-speed cassettes? I 
>>> had assumed that the freehub dimensions were constant, and that the 
>>> cassettes and chains just got narrower with more gears. But evidently 
>>> that’s not the case, presumably leading to a rear wheel with more dish? I 
>>> like my 3x8 setup quite well for the Hunq, and am wondering whether I need 
>>> to be on the lookout for spares if there’s no way to retrofit contemporary 
>>> components.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>>
>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J  wrote:
>>>
>>> Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the name 
>>> “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the spelling for the 
>>> bike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if 
 others have insight. 

 Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have 
 the screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
 Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and 
 other 
 changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 

 Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
 say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
 guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
 Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
 of inspiration as well. 

 Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the 
 erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want 
 to be a full-time YouTube person. 
 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire 
> your style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build 
> videos. Sorry for the tangent.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
>> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
>> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself 
>> an 
>> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of 
>> his appreciation for 

[RBW] FS: Rivendell Rosco Platypus 60cm - Purple!

[a spen]

I'm going to repost my Rosco due to technical issues the first try.

Hi Folks,

I'm reluctantly parting with my latest acquisition, a 60 cm Rosco Platy-  
in purple!
I find it to be a more forgiving, compliant, and spritely ride than the Gus 
& Suzie, and if it had a greater stack height it would be my perfect all 
arounder, but the combination of my too tall pbh (99cm) and needing 
handlebars up higher still just doesn't work here.
 
Having owned/own a slew of Rivs, this would be my candidate for 'the one to 
rule them all'. An incredibly versatile, capable, and of course, being a 
Riv, fun.

--$1475 for complete bike. I have many parts that can be swapped out such 
as a Brooks B67 saddle, Albatross bars, etc it interested.

Please follow the link for pictures:  
https://blacksburg.craigslist.org/bik/d/blacksburg-rivendell-rosco-platty-60-cm/7571278692.html
 
Shipping or delivery between DC and Atlanta possible

***Please message me with your questions, inquiries, etc.***

Thanks!
Al in VA

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Re: [RBW] FS: Rene Herse 29″ x 2.2″ (700C x 55) Antelope Hill TC Tires NEW

[Joe Mullins]

SOLD

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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE : NITTO STEM

['Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch]

SOLD PENDING $$

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:59:45 PM UTC-5 Charlie wrote:

> NEW OLD STOCK - TERRY MADE BY NITTO STEM 22.2 mm STEERER - 26mm BAR - 2 
> BOLT FACE PLATE
>
> $25 CASH OR MONEY  + $10 SHIPPING ORDER USPS (US POST OFFICE) 
>   NO OTHER MONEY ORDER
>I DO NOT HAVE PAY THING OR ANY PAY THING
> CONTACT OFF LIST PLEASE
>
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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram touchup paint

[ascpgh]

Small blems on an orange Rambouillet may be cosmetically reduced from 
attracting attention using nail enamel in a good color match. As others 
have said, the pearlescent orange finish was a three layer build to achieve 
the result and is a harrowing repair to execute with continuity to the 
surrounding original finish. 

That complexity of finish is why my Ram and its beausavage (when things get 
beyond Grant's "beausage") has not been renewed and the sum quoted to do so 
by JB and others was put toward a new frame and fork. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
(where the 30-40 mph wind gusts and temperature drop just happened like a 
switch was thrown)

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:14:57 PM UTC-5 cdres...@gmail.com wrote:

> Checked some older postings and cyclofriend who recommended Boyds Roadser 
> Florida Orange Pearl but appears to be out of stock. Anyone tried Boyd's 
> Orange Pearl Enamel?
>

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