Re: [RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Kim Hetzel]

Upon removing the chain, I read the markings of KMC.  I noticed that the 
chain had a lot of slideways play and  bend to it. It looked pretty worn. 

Interesting, Joe that you discovered that your chain was on backasswords. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.


On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:58:43 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What brand of chain are you replacing? I had the jumping issues in the 
> smallest cog on my custom for months, then I discovered Wipperman Connex 
> chains use a directional quick-connect. Mine was backwards!
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:28:10 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>>
>> New chain? How many miles on the one you have?...
>>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> I do not know exactly. I am the third owner within a year from purchasing 
>> it in mid-September of 2022. 
>>
>> I been having chain jumping issues. I changed out the rear cassette to 
>> new one; a SunRace 11-40T recently. That did not solve the problem. I am 
>> hoping that changing out the chain, installing a new Shimano Deore M951 
>> rear derailleur and new cable will elevate the problem.  Maybe tighten the 
>> outer screw nut on the inside of the Suntour Bar-Con ratchet end shifter 
>> for the rear derailleur.
>>
>> This is where I am. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:03:39 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> New chain? How many miles on the one you have?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 7:23 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Richard...
>>> I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model 
>>> around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn 
>>> perfect. 
>>> Long live the Clem!
>>>
>>> I hope that time will prove it being so. Grant has designed some very 
>>> awesome bikes in recent years. The Clem is one of them. 
>>>
>>> Going to my LBS tomorrow to buy a new chain (64.5" long), after finding 
>>> the masterlink. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>> Long live the CLEM !
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:56 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model 
 around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn 
 perfect. 
 Long live the Clem!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 13, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:

 
 With this discussion about Gus and Susie bikes about that they will be 
 more than likely to be very sought after bikes down the road as time goes 
 on, I ask, do you think that the Clem Smith Jr. models "H" and "L" are to 
 going to follow the of suits ? 

 As a senior male person owning a Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle, I am 
 hoping not. For the main reason being that of I love the low bar for the  
 ease of mounting and dismounting my bike, then followed by the upright 
 riding position, low gearing, its capabilities of being an "all terrain 
 bike" or Hillibike. It is a happy and fun bike. I do not see my bike as a 
 "girls bike". 

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

 On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> C & L cycles in Montréal have a large lime olive Susie complete.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2023, at 12:00 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>
> Looks like Crust bikes still has a XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie 
> Longbolts in stock. This size uses a 31.8mm top tube diameter unlike the 
> smaller models that use a 28.6 top tube diameter.
>
>
>
> On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 07:53:49 UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I agree, Joe. I suspect these bikes will be among those highly 
>> sought-after, storied Rivendells - maybe soon, maybe further down the 
>> road, 
>> but I think your assessment is right on the money.
>>
>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie 
>>> are going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them 
>>> and 
>>> keep them! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>>
 Nice humorous perspective, Joe.

 Smiles to you.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA.

 On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I 
> need somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with 
> it and 
> scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! 
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>> This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Joe Bernard]

What brand of chain are you replacing? I had the jumping issues in the 
smallest cog on my custom for months, then I discovered Wipperman Connex 
chains use a directional quick-connect. Mine was backwards!

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:28:10 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

>
> New chain? How many miles on the one you have?...
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I do not know exactly. I am the third owner within a year from purchasing 
> it in mid-September of 2022. 
>
> I been having chain jumping issues. I changed out the rear cassette to new 
> one; a SunRace 11-40T recently. That did not solve the problem. I am hoping 
> that changing out the chain, installing a new Shimano Deore M951 rear 
> derailleur and new cable will elevate the problem.  Maybe tighten the outer 
> screw nut on the inside of the Suntour Bar-Con ratchet end shifter for the 
> rear derailleur.
>
> This is where I am. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:03:39 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> New chain? How many miles on the one you have?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 7:23 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Richard...
>> I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model 
>> around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn 
>> perfect. 
>> Long live the Clem!
>>
>> I hope that time will prove it being so. Grant has designed some very 
>> awesome bikes in recent years. The Clem is one of them. 
>>
>> Going to my LBS tomorrow to buy a new chain (64.5" long), after finding 
>> the masterlink. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> Long live the CLEM !
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:56 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model 
>>> around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn 
>>> perfect. 
>>> Long live the Clem!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> With this discussion about Gus and Susie bikes about that they will be 
>>> more than likely to be very sought after bikes down the road as time goes 
>>> on, I ask, do you think that the Clem Smith Jr. models "H" and "L" are to 
>>> going to follow the of suits ? 
>>>
>>> As a senior male person owning a Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle, I am hoping 
>>> not. For the main reason being that of I love the low bar for the  ease of 
>>> mounting and dismounting my bike, then followed by the upright riding 
>>> position, low gearing, its capabilities of being an "all terrain bike" or 
>>> Hillibike. It is a happy and fun bike. I do not see my bike as a "girls 
>>> bike". 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 C & L cycles in Montréal have a large lime olive Susie complete.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 13, 2023, at 12:00 PM, Paul M  wrote:

 Looks like Crust bikes still has a XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie 
 Longbolts in stock. This size uses a 31.8mm top tube diameter unlike the 
 smaller models that use a 28.6 top tube diameter.



 On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 07:53:49 UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I agree, Joe. I suspect these bikes will be among those highly 
> sought-after, storied Rivendells - maybe soon, maybe further down the 
> road, 
> but I think your assessment is right on the money.
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie 
>> are going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them and 
>> keep them! 
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>
>>> Nice humorous perspective, Joe.
>>>
>>> Smiles to you.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I 
 need somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with 
 it and 
 scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! 

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard 
 wrote:

> This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Scott – I ordered the Flat 65 yesterday after some consideration. I hope 
it’ll arrive by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week at which time I’ll 
hurriedly mount them. I think minimal modification will be necessary though 
I worry about reduced coverage due to their shape. 

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 8:41:15 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> What did you discover? Did you by chance try the Flat 65?
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 09:42:36 AM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Man, wonderful info about the 74s – thank you for taking the time to relay 
> that. The above posted photos of them show a significant amount of 
> modification (cutting) to fit which I might be game to do however what I 
> won’t tolerate is losing ample clearance around the tire. I’m about to head 
> into the shop for the day and will throw the Atlantis in the stand and see 
> if any of the dimensions of the Flat 65s would work, etc. At the very least 
> I’ll share the mishaps I encounter as I try to push the limits of what the 
> Atlantis can fit with you all. 
>
> David – I appreciate that suggestion. I’ll throw around the dimensions of 
> those with the mechanics today and see if they also see that working out. I 
> feel pretty dedicated to the idea of fenders on this thing and the recent 
> rain has left me wanting to ride more with less of a reason not to 
> regardless of the weather. I feel like having fenders is the definitive way 
> to make a bike a year round possibility, whether or not it’s a downpour.
>
> - Luke in rainy, hailing San Francisco
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:
>
> That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.
>
> Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see 
> if Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in low/low). If so 
> you should be able to get them setup with the 2.25s G-ones since they don't 
> really have knobs (assuming the tires actually measure out to 2.25 or less).
>
> I'm thinking that Smooth 62s with 50mm tires would work on my Platy so I'd 
> guess the Atlantis could do incrementally more.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) 
> and holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and 
>  heavily dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, 
> and remove fender material around the chain stays.  Not for the faint of 
> heart but looks possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the 
> dimples just right.  There's little question that the fenders will fit over 
> your tires, but on an Atlantis, it will take some work.  The problem I 
> would worry about is this, by the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, 
> you may have lost your clearance around the tire at those points.  If you 
> remove metal at those edges where it is too tight then the structure of the 
> fender is seriously compromised.  I'd go with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm 
> tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 tires for a bike with more 
> clearance (like a Clem).  
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
> Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they look 
> to have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! 
> Ordering pronto. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
> this out.
>
> Kim.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
> Hi Luke,
>
> On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid Rob 
> 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks Honjo 
> Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   
>
> Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy for 
> my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in 
> Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
> me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike has 
> the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out 
> a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
> pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on his 
> bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat 
> post for my Clem. 
>
> All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
> 29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those fenders on the 
> SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 
>
> Hope this helps and not to confuse you.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA 
>
> ..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
> Or even a Smooth 74?
>

[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nitto M186 STI,   80mm reach & 122mm drop  
Nitto M151AAF,   78mm reach & 128mm drop
Nitto Neat MOD 104,  65mm reach & 140mm drop
Raech/Drop are C-C dimensions

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Kim Hetzel]

New chain? How many miles on the one you have?...

Hi Richard,

I do not know exactly. I am the third owner within a year from purchasing 
it in mid-September of 2022. 

I been having chain jumping issues. I changed out the rear cassette to new 
one; a SunRace 11-40T recently. That did not solve the problem. I am hoping 
that changing out the chain, installing a new Shimano Deore M951 rear 
derailleur and new cable will elevate the problem.  Maybe tighten the outer 
screw nut on the inside of the Suntour Bar-Con ratchet end shifter for the 
rear derailleur.

This is where I am. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:03:39 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> New chain? How many miles on the one you have?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2023, at 7:23 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard...
> I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model 
> around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn 
> perfect. 
> Long live the Clem!
>
> I hope that time will prove it being so. Grant has designed some very 
> awesome bikes in recent years. The Clem is one of them. 
>
> Going to my LBS tomorrow to buy a new chain (64.5" long), after finding 
> the masterlink. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> Long live the CLEM !
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:56 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model 
>> around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn 
>> perfect. 
>> Long live the Clem!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> With this discussion about Gus and Susie bikes about that they will be 
>> more than likely to be very sought after bikes down the road as time goes 
>> on, I ask, do you think that the Clem Smith Jr. models "H" and "L" are to 
>> going to follow the of suits ? 
>>
>> As a senior male person owning a Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle, I am hoping 
>> not. For the main reason being that of I love the low bar for the  ease of 
>> mounting and dismounting my bike, then followed by the upright riding 
>> position, low gearing, its capabilities of being an "all terrain bike" or 
>> Hillibike. It is a happy and fun bike. I do not see my bike as a "girls 
>> bike". 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> C & L cycles in Montréal have a large lime olive Susie complete.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 12:00 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like Crust bikes still has a XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolts 
>>> in stock. This size uses a 31.8mm top tube diameter unlike the smaller 
>>> models that use a 28.6 top tube diameter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 07:53:49 UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I agree, Joe. I suspect these bikes will be among those highly 
 sought-after, storied Rivendells - maybe soon, maybe further down the 
 road, 
 but I think your assessment is right on the money.

 On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie are 
> going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them and keep 
> them! 
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> Nice humorous perspective, Joe.
>>
>> Smiles to you.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I 
>>> need somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it 
>>> and 
>>> scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Richard Rose]

New chain? How many miles on the one you have?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2023, at 7:23 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:Richard...
I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model 
around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn
 perfect. Long live the Clem!I hope that time will prove it being so. Grant has designed some very awesome bikes in recent years. The Clem is one of them. Going to my LBS tomorrow to buy a new chain (64.5" long), after finding the masterlink. Kim HetzelYelm, WA. Long live the CLEM !

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:56 PM Richard Rose  wrote:I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn perfect. Long live the Clem!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:With this discussion about Gus and Susie bikes about that they will be more than likely to be very sought after bikes down the road as time goes on, I ask, do you think that the Clem Smith Jr. models "H" and "L" are to going to follow the of suits ? As a senior male person owning a Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle, I am hoping not. For the main reason being that of I love the low bar for the  ease of mounting and dismounting my bike, then followed by the upright riding position, low gearing, its capabilities of being an "all terrain bike" or Hillibike. It is a happy and fun bike. I do not see my bike as a "girls bike". Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:C & L cycles in Montréal have a large lime olive Susie complete.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2023, at 12:00 PM, Paul M  wrote:Looks like Crust bikes still has a XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolts in stock. This size uses a 31.8mm top tube diameter unlike the smaller models that use a 28.6 top tube diameter.On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 07:53:49 UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:I agree, Joe. I suspect these bikes will be among those highly sought-after, storied Rivendells - maybe soon, maybe further down the road, but I think your assessment is right on the money.On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie are going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them and keep them! On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:Nice humorous perspective, Joe.Smiles to you.Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I need somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it and scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 



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Re: [RBW] FS: Rambouillet 58cm Orange

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

Love this! What’s your height and PBH? I’m wondering if I can pull this
off. I normally ride a 55.

Ahmed

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 2:37 PM Ben Adrian  wrote:

> Early 2000's Rivendell Rambouillet 58cm frame (Grant from Rivendell swears
> this is my size, but I'm a corgi with a long torso and short legs  ),
> Orange and Cream finish, lots of small paint dings, some touch-up paint
> from a previous owner, small top tube dent. Everything works great and it
> still looks stunning, but it was once somebody's daily driver and shows
> appropriate wear.
>
> The Rundown:
>
>- 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frame/Fork
>- Mavic Open Pro Rims on Ultegra 6500 Hubs (32h) (12-26 cassette)
>- Ultegra 6500 Deraillures with 3x8 Bar End Shifters
>- Sugino XD Triple Crank 48-38-26
>- Panaracer Pasela 35c folding bead tires with maybe 50-60 miles.
>- TRP RRL Brake Levers
>- Soma Highway One bars (42cm)*BUT I also have some Nitto Noodle
>bars in 42cm. take your pick!*
>- Nitto Cold forged 7cm stem (Tallux? It's pretty tall)   *BUT I also
>have the same model in 10-11cm. take your pick!*
>- I'll also toss in an 8 speed 11-32 cassette and derailleur hanger
>extender. I ran that for a while and while shifting was not quite as
>awesome, having a 26 x 32 gear was nice.
>- Oh, there is also a set of beat up SKS fenders that I will include.
>
>
> $1,600. + actual shipping cost. I'd, of course, prefer a local sale, but I
> can ship to a loving home.
>
> Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72177720305079680
>
>
> Why am I selling? I'd want to know as a buyer.
> The size is a little big for me. It has never felt quite right. The ride
> is great. It glides over the road beautifully. Still ,I never was able to
> make myself comfortable. I just want to try other things.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben Adrian
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Re: [RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Kim Hetzel]

Richard...
I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model
around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn
perfect.
Long live the Clem!

I hope that time will prove it being so. Grant has designed some very
awesome bikes in recent years. The Clem is one of them.

Going to my LBS tomorrow to buy a new chain (64.5" long), after finding the
masterlink.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

Long live the CLEM !


On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:56 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model
> around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn
> perfect.
> Long live the Clem!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
> With this discussion about Gus and Susie bikes about that they will be
> more than likely to be very sought after bikes down the road as time goes
> on, I ask, do you think that the Clem Smith Jr. models "H" and "L" are to
> going to follow the of suits ?
>
> As a senior male person owning a Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle, I am hoping
> not. For the main reason being that of I love the low bar for the  ease of
> mounting and dismounting my bike, then followed by the upright riding
> position, low gearing, its capabilities of being an "all terrain bike" or
> Hillibike. It is a happy and fun bike. I do not see my bike as a "girls
> bike".
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> C & L cycles in Montréal have a large lime olive Susie complete.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 12:00 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>>
>> Looks like Crust bikes still has a XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolts
>> in stock. This size uses a 31.8mm top tube diameter unlike the smaller
>> models that use a 28.6 top tube diameter.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 07:53:49 UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, Joe. I suspect these bikes will be among those highly
>>> sought-after, storied Rivendells - maybe soon, maybe further down the road,
>>> but I think your assessment is right on the money.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie are
 going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them and keep
 them!

 On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> Nice humorous perspective, Joe.
>
> Smiles to you.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I
>> need somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it 
>> and
>> scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go!
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[iamkeith]

DIa Compe 287V still seems to be readily available.
On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> To fully clean and purge all residual nuances for this discussion of the 
> bestPaul brakes for one's bike: Question: What are the several options for 
> long-pull road levers? Long ago it was Tektro and Cane Creek long-pull road 
> levers, and I used both, but that was circa 2012 when I first built my 
> first edition Fargo. Have any other long pull drop bar levers appeared in 
> the last decade? Context: I'd really love to use V brakes on my 2020 
> Matthews, but I would hate to give up my 7410-era DA levers. So I wonder if 
> anyone makes long-pull drop bar levers more like the DAs and less like the 
> CC and Tektros -- which I think were the same brake under different logos? 
> Don't want Travel Agents or similar.
>
> I expect that in 2023 we have the same options, CC and Tektro, only.
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Patrick Moore]

To fully clean and purge all residual nuances for this discussion of the
bestPaul brakes for one's bike: Question: What are the several options for
long-pull road levers? Long ago it was Tektro and Cane Creek long-pull road
levers, and I used both, but that was circa 2012 when I first built my
first edition Fargo. Have any other long pull drop bar levers appeared in
the last decade? Context: I'd really love to use V brakes on my 2020
Matthews, but I would hate to give up my 7410-era DA levers. So I wonder if
anyone makes long-pull drop bar levers more like the DAs and less like the
CC and Tektros -- which I think were the same brake under different logos?
Don't want Travel Agents or similar.

I expect that in 2023 we have the same options, CC and Tektro, only.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Richard Rose]

I am right there with you Kim. I suspect Rivendell will keep this model around indefinitely. It’s very unique in the lineup & is pretty darn perfect. Long live the Clem!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:With this discussion about Gus and Susie bikes about that they will be more than likely to be very sought after bikes down the road as time goes on, I ask, do you think that the Clem Smith Jr. models "H" and "L" are to going to follow the of suits ? As a senior male person owning a Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle, I am hoping not. For the main reason being that of I love the low bar for the  ease of mounting and dismounting my bike, then followed by the upright riding position, low gearing, its capabilities of being an "all terrain bike" or Hillibike. It is a happy and fun bike. I do not see my bike as a "girls bike". Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:C & L cycles in Montréal have a large lime olive Susie complete.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2023, at 12:00 PM, Paul M  wrote:Looks like Crust bikes still has a XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolts in stock. This size uses a 31.8mm top tube diameter unlike the smaller models that use a 28.6 top tube diameter.On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 07:53:49 UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:I agree, Joe. I suspect these bikes will be among those highly sought-after, storied Rivendells - maybe soon, maybe further down the road, but I think your assessment is right on the money.On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie are going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them and keep them! On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:Nice humorous perspective, Joe.Smiles to you.Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I need somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it and scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Kim Hetzel]

With this discussion about Gus and Susie bikes about that they will be more 
than likely to be very sought after bikes down the road as time goes on, I 
ask, do you think that the Clem Smith Jr. models "H" and "L" are to going 
to follow the of suits ? 

As a senior male person owning a Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle, I am hoping 
not. For the main reason being that of I love the low bar for the  ease of 
mounting and dismounting my bike, then followed by the upright riding 
position, low gearing, its capabilities of being an "all terrain bike" or 
Hillibike. It is a happy and fun bike. I do not see my bike as a "girls 
bike". 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> C & L cycles in Montréal have a large lime olive Susie complete.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2023, at 12:00 PM, Paul M  wrote:
>
> Looks like Crust bikes still has a XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolts 
> in stock. This size uses a 31.8mm top tube diameter unlike the smaller 
> models that use a 28.6 top tube diameter.
>
>
>
> On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 07:53:49 UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I agree, Joe. I suspect these bikes will be among those highly 
>> sought-after, storied Rivendells - maybe soon, maybe further down the road, 
>> but I think your assessment is right on the money.
>>
>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie are 
>>> going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them and keep 
>>> them! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>>
 Nice humorous perspective, Joe.

 Smiles to you.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA.

 On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I need 
> somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it and 
> scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! 
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 
>
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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Nitto, Rene Herse, Shimano XT, Clipper Crankset, etc

[Jared Wilson]

All sold or pending, thanks for your interest!

Jared

On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 2:38:00 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:

> *Remaining:*
>
> Nitto RBW51 rack, with diving board, slight bend in one strut at the end - 
> *$110*
>
> Selle SMP TRK medium, basically new, put about 2 miles on, like my Pure 
> V's more - *$30*
>
> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 2:18:15 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> *Remaining items below:*
>>
>> Clipper crankset, silver, 175mm, 43, 36, 26 - *$90*
>>
>> Blue Lug chainring guard, 110bcd, 38t - *$25*
>>
>> Nitto RBW51 rack, with diving board, slight bend in one strut at the end 
>> - *$110*
>>
>> Selle SMP TRK medium, basically new, put about 2 miles on, like my Pure 
>> V's more - *$30*
>>
>> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 1:21:14 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Group,
>>>
>>> Winter garage cleaning, let's find some new homes for this stuff.
>>>
>>> Shipping not included in listed price.
>>>
>>> Clipper crankset, silver, 175mm, 43, 36, 26 - *$90*
>>>
>>> Blue Lug chainring guard, 110bcd, 38t - *$25*
>>>
>>> VP-001 pedals, black - *$35*
>>>
>>> Shimano Deore XT M735 rear derailleur - *$20*
>>>
>>> Nitto/Sycip JJJ handlebar, 31.8, 660mm - *$55*
>>>
>>> Nitto RBW51 rack, with diving board, slight bend in one strut at the end 
>>> - *$110*
>>>
>>> Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires, standard casing, 700x44. Couldn't get 
>>> these to seal tubeless on Cliffhangers, lots of life left. - *$85*
>>>
>>> Selle SMP TRK medium, basically new, put about 2 miles on, like my Pure 
>>> V's more - *$30*
>>>
>>> PHOTOS 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Please respond off list, thanks for looking!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Suntour seat post clamp

[Jared Wilson]

I'm glad to hear!

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:08:16 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sorry, Jared, it has been claimed.
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 1:56 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> I'll take you up on that if Eric isn't interested.
>>
>> -Jared
>>
>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 11:21:17 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a Campagnolo QR seat clamp that is far better than any Japanese 
>>> one that you can have for postage if you want it. Someone gave it to me 
>>> some years ago to use as a stronger handlebar clamp for my Dahon which has 
>>> long since been sold, and it has been part of my workbench clutter for 
>>> several years now.
>>>
>>> Patrick "Brev. Camp." Moore
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 10:43 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 Cross-posted to iBob but still no luck so reaching out here. 

 I'm searching for a Suntour seat post binder clamp like the one shown 
 below. If you have one for sale please let me know your price shipped to 
 me 
 in 22401. 

 Thanks! 

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[RBW] OT: question about high-capacity & rugged external storage drives

[Patrick Moore]

1. Thanks for the list's indulgence.

2. Please reply off list.

I do fine with a 1 tb external hdd, but my daughter wants terrabytes of
storage for her film projects, so a couple of questions. I've done
preliminary reading.

a. Is a ssd always better than a hdd for ruggedness? Daughter tends to
stuff things into backpack and toss backpack around.

b. High capacity: I'm happy to pay 3 or 4X for a ssd over a hdd for say 5
tb. Daughter does film and never erases anything. If you want durability as
well as capacity, is it worth the $$?

c. Can you recommend a product with best all round mix of (in order of
importance) capacity (5 tb+/-), ruggedness and longevity, price, either ssd
or hdd?

Thanks.

PS: Just erased ~3 years of multiple-per-day backups on my 1 tb hdd using
my Mac's "empty trash" feature. It took 3 days, unless the process stopped
while the screen slept.

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[RBW] FS: Rambouillet 58cm Orange

[Ben Adrian]

Early 2000's Rivendell Rambouillet 58cm frame (Grant from Rivendell swears 
this is my size, but I'm a corgi with a long torso and short legs  ), 
Orange and Cream finish, lots of small paint dings, some touch-up paint 
from a previous owner, small top tube dent. Everything works great and it 
still looks stunning, but it was once somebody's daily driver and shows 
appropriate wear. 

The Rundown: 

   - 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frame/Fork
   - Mavic Open Pro Rims on Ultegra 6500 Hubs (32h) (12-26 cassette)
   - Ultegra 6500 Deraillures with 3x8 Bar End Shifters
   - Sugino XD Triple Crank 48-38-26
   - Panaracer Pasela 35c folding bead tires with maybe 50-60 miles.
   - TRP RRL Brake Levers
   - Soma Highway One bars (42cm)*BUT I also have some Nitto Noodle 
   bars in 42cm. take your pick!*
   - Nitto Cold forged 7cm stem (Tallux? It's pretty tall)   *BUT I also 
   have the same model in 10-11cm. take your pick!*
   - I'll also toss in an 8 speed 11-32 cassette and derailleur hanger 
   extender. I ran that for a while and while shifting was not quite as 
   awesome, having a 26 x 32 gear was nice.
   - Oh, there is also a set of beat up SKS fenders that I will include.


$1,600. + actual shipping cost. I'd, of course, prefer a local sale, but I 
can ship to a loving home.

Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72177720305079680

 
Why am I selling? I'd want to know as a buyer.
The size is a little big for me. It has never felt quite right. The ride is 
great. It glides over the road beautifully. Still ,I never was able to make 
myself comfortable. I just want to try other things.

Cheers!
Ben Adrian

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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

Thank you Joe, I'll have to consider the Motolites for my next bike rebuild.

JohnS

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 10:31:51 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I think there's one call for Motolites in this thread so I'm throwing down 
> a second one. They're great, I love them, they should be the only brakes on 
> all bikes. Is what I'm saying.
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 6:18:18 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> On my Quickbeam, the only Paul braking bits I've got are green Moon 
>> Units. I have used the Neo-Retro / Touring setup on another bike, and 
>> switched to Minimotos due to brake judder. I've never had judder on my 
>> Quickbeam. As Mark said, regular road levers work with both minimotos and 
>> cantis. 
>>
>> I love minimotos. They stop great. They look a little funny, since they 
>> aren't symmetrical. Setup was easy. I think you could flip some washers 
>> around to get the noodle side of the brake not to knock the fender. 
>>
>> A Minimoto in front seems like the opposite strategy from a Neo-retro in 
>> front. Paul Tourings are stronger brakes than Neo-retros, and Minimotos are 
>> stronger yet. I doubt in practice you'd notice. 
>>
>> Philip 
>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences with Paul brakes. I do like 
>>> the way the brake cable connects to the minimotos, same as a v-brake, no 
>>> cable hanger required. I'm planning to have a small front rack. I'll have 
>>> to make sure the rack tang doesn't interfere with the brake cable as it 
>>> connects across to brake arm. Looks like it wasn't an issue for Patch on 
>>> his QB, just above the fender and below the rack tang.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>>>
 another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  
 though one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has 
 a fork tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, 
 braking has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  

 On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
> significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not 
> necessarily champion this set-up over others. I went this route because 
> (a) 
> I, too, felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, 
> and (b) had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 
> calipered frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle 
> across 3 (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.
>
> I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, 
> more abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is 
> not 
> to say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
> strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
> of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not 
> funny 
> or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel 
> lock 
> with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.
>
> I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; 
> and Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases 
> where quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 
> 26" 
> dedicated trail bike. 
>
> Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
> Minimotos look sick with knobbies
> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
> Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks
>
> Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are 
> mine, hope they help.
>
> Patch in NYC
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a 
>> rear rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also 
>> I 
>> may or may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them 
>> so 
>> not a priority to have them on the QB.
>>
>> Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say 
>> it was better or as good as other brake set ups?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my 
>>> QB. 
>>> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
>>> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
>>> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] WTB: Suntour seat post clamp

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, Jared, it has been claimed.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 1:56 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I'll take you up on that if Eric isn't interested.
>
> -Jared
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 11:21:17 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've got a Campagnolo QR seat clamp that is far better than any Japanese
>> one that you can have for postage if you want it. Someone gave it to me
>> some years ago to use as a stronger handlebar clamp for my Dahon which has
>> long since been sold, and it has been part of my workbench clutter for
>> several years now.
>>
>> Patrick "Brev. Camp." Moore
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 10:43 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Cross-posted to iBob but still no luck so reaching out here.
>>>
>>> I'm searching for a Suntour seat post binder clamp like the one shown
>>> below. If you have one for sale please let me know your price shipped to me
>>> in 22401.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Suntour seat post clamp

[Jared Wilson]

Patrick,

I'll take you up on that if Eric isn't interested.

-Jared

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 11:21:17 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've got a Campagnolo QR seat clamp that is far better than any Japanese 
> one that you can have for postage if you want it. Someone gave it to me 
> some years ago to use as a stronger handlebar clamp for my Dahon which has 
> long since been sold, and it has been part of my workbench clutter for 
> several years now.
>
> Patrick "Brev. Camp." Moore
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 10:43 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Cross-posted to iBob but still no luck so reaching out here. 
>>
>> I'm searching for a Suntour seat post binder clamp like the one shown 
>> below. If you have one for sale please let me know your price shipped to me 
>> in 22401. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-01-12 at 9.33.32 PM.png]
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matthew Williams]

I called, the frameset is a 58cm A. Homer Hilsen.

While I was on the phone, they were closing the deal on the Hunqapillar with 
someone here!



> On Jan 13, 2023, at 9:25 AM, Eliot Balogh  wrote:
> 
> I think they had a 58cm frameset too. Appaloosa maybe ?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 6:45 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> mailto:jonasandle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> RivSister Joyce, how can this be? I’m completely shocked. Especially because 
>> both of those models rarely go for sale, and there they are, like diamonds, 
>> glinting amongst the coal. Wow. Good finds!
>> 
>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:17:17 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>> I stopped by Recycled Cycles tonight in Seattle and was shocked to see two 
>>> used Rivendells for sale.  I didn't note all the components on the bikes; 
>>> you'll have to contact Recycled Cycles if you're interested (info below).  
>>> The photos aren't great, sorry!  
>>> 
>>> Hunqapilar, 60 cm, $2500.  
>>> Included Nitto racks, looked like Mark's and Big Back Rack, and a small 
>>> Sackville saddle bag.
>>> 
>>> Cheviot, 60cm, $1900
>>> 
>>> They also had the following that looked very lightly used or new, but were 
>>> labeled with second-hand prices:
>>> --Brooks Flyer saddles (2, black)
>>> --Acorn saddle bags (2)
>>> --Sackville basket sack (olive)
>>> - Sackville trunk sack (olive, $65)
>>> -- Carradice Bagman with quick release (black)
>>> 
>>> Recycled Cycles
>>> 206-547-4491 
>>> recycledcycles.com 
>>> 1007 NE Boat Street, Seattle WA 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 9:46:29 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
 Bleriot, 55 cm
 $1950
 Seattle
 https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-bleriot-650b-size-55/7518207928.html
 
 Hubbuhubbuh, Medium
 $2700
 Whidbey Island (north of Seattle)
 https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/clinton-hubbuhubbuh-tandem-rivendell/7513433319.html
 
 Clem H, 45 cm
 $1800
 Seattle
 https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45/7514261621.html
 
 Clem L, 64cm  (Frameset/wheel set)
 $1200
 Eugene, OR
 https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-rivendell-frameset-wheelset-64cm/7518051955.html
 
 Sam Hillborne, 57cm
 $1950
 Portland, OR
 https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/bik/d/clackamas-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7514172354.html
 
 Atlantis, 64cm
 $2100
 Corvallis, OR
 https://corvallis.craigslist.org/bik/d/corvallis-rivendell-atlantis/7518027546.html
 
 
 On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:48:45 AM UTC-7 lwt...@gmail.com <> 
 wrote:
> I have Wavie bars on my Atlantis and those look very similar. 
> Lance 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 11:46:20 AM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:
>> Anyone know what bars are on this Atlantis?  Posting is deleted on CL, 
>> so can't look there. 
>> 
>> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 6:37:08 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>> Atlantis
>>> 59cm
>>> 3600
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-atlantis-59cm/7511867606.html
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Patrick Moore]

I like those "real world" photos of your Clem.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 7:29 AM Dorothy C  wrote:

> Mine aren’t so glamorous as the beautiful shots others have posted in this
> thread, but this was my Tuesday night ride this past week to catch the LA
> Metrolink train from Chatstworth to Simi Valley. I had needed the pannier
> to stow my small desktop tower PC to take it back in to work after our Xmas
> break, when I briefly have to check the systems each day.  Bike is a small
> Clem, bought as a frame and built up by me.
> A scene of unusual rain in SoCal.
>
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:23:53 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> Oh  those are lovely Moonlight photos Takashi !  I agree that about
>> riding by Moonlight ... really just being outdoors in some/any place quiet
>> is itself magical. Better to have driven there that to not be there at all
>> :-)
>>
>> I like to call such illumination "The Midnight Sun"  as truly ... The
>> Sun never sleeps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:31:06 AM UTC-5 Takashi wrote:
>>
>>> Moon was shining so brightly last night that I decided to revisit
>>> Shirakawa and take photos of ice pillars in moonlight.
>>>
>>> To be honest, I "cheated" this time - drove my car to the place and rode
>>> my bike around for a short distance.
>>> It was a fun ride though. Riding alone in moonlight, very silent,
>>> enjoying beautiful scenery.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Takashi
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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Patrick Moore]

Max and George: Thank you. But resolution pending for offer for Hover bar.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 12:32 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Patrick - are you spec'ing a 31.8 clamp size because you're going to use
> the bars with possibly a threadless stem with a 4-bolt bar clamp?   If so,
> it's too bad that you don't want an anatomic bar because the one fits all
> of your other criteria better than some of the other recommendations is the
> the Ritchey BioMax II.  It has very flat ramps at the end of which the
> brake levers can be installed so as to allow a perfectly straight
> transition from the bar flats to the brake hoods.  It also has a very
> shallow drop - just about everything you're looking for except the ergo
> bend.
>
> I have eyeballed the recommended Highway One bars from time to time
> because they, too, are shorter reach and have flatter ramps and shallower
> drops, but I don't understand why the drops extend so far back toward the
> rider - seems excessive.  I suppose one could cut these shorter to suit an
> individual preference...
>
> Anyway, here's a look at the Ritchey bars, FYI.  They are ugly, I'll give
> you that, but I've never ridden a more comfortable road bar.
>
> https://www.northrimadventure.com/product/ritchey-bicycle-components-pro-biomax-ii-road-handlebar-os-1653.htm
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:06:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a
>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a
>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the
>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable
>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I
>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the
>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>
>> Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: ISO banana connectors (M and F) or small spade connectors

[Patrick Moore]

Laing and Ray: Thank you. If an off-list offer does not turn into things,
then I will look both of these sources up. Meanwhile they'll go to my
archive.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 12:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Velolumino is still out of the banana connectors, and I'm still looking
> for 2 pairs (ie, 2X male + female), or ditto for *small* spade connectors
> -- VL offers 2.8 mm but no male ones: so, 2X 2.8mm spade connectors, male +
> female.
>
> Happy to pay outrageous unit retail, tho' also happy to pay less.
>
> Or, point me to a source that has either in cheap bulk lots.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto quill-clamp front brake housing stop

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Garth and Steve. I've considered that before, principally to avoid
the causes of shudder, but the biplane crown is not drilled, and I expect
(have not peered under the hood) that the requested-beefy under-crown
threaded fender boss will interfere with any bolt run through any hole I
drill there, just as it did on other bikes with front caliper brakes. And
the Paul's are precisely constructed enough to fix the shudder that the
earlier Tektros caused without (almost) 45* toe-in. What I'd really wish is
that Minimotos could fit over 42s and 50 or 55 mm fenders to work with my
DA 7410 brake levers, but alas ...

Right now, for record, I have a -- Shimano? Forget, but I think it's
Shimano -- sturdy steel headset-mount hanger that is plenty stiff but that
has only about a cm of drop. The RH will double that for a less cramped
housing run from the inner end of the bar tape.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 5:46 AM Steven Sweedler  wrote:

> Using the fork crown mounted brake stops also seems to completely
> eliminate brake shudder. Steve
>

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:00 AM Garth  wrote:

> You know Patrick, the Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable stops allow for a
> unfettered cable and housing  run, just like a caliper brake. The silver
> ones seem to be unfavored in the US market, but are available from European
> retailers and even imported on ebay. Dia Compe and Origin8 make variation
> of these also.
>
> Having the hanger right above the canti makes for a very solid feel to
> braking. I didn't expect that, I only wanted to eliminate the dependence of
> the cable to the stem/headset. I never much liked that as if I ever wanted
> to adjust the stem I had to readjust the cable hanger. With the fork
> mounted ones you can do anything with the stem and headset without changing
> the cable drop to the hanger, just like a caliper brake.
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[RBW] Re: ISO banana connectors (M and F) or small spade connectors

[Mr. Ray]

You can buy the Supernova version (cold crimp).  They cost a bit more but 
are available at Peter White Cycles.  He also has the 2.8mm spade 
connectors.

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 2:13:29 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Velolumino is still out of the banana connectors, and I'm still looking 
> for 2 pairs (ie, 2X male + female), or ditto for *small* spade connectors 
> -- VL offers 2.8 mm but no male ones: so, 2X 2.8mm spade connectors, male + 
> female.
>
> Happy to pay outrageous unit retail, tho' also happy to pay less.
>
> Or, point me to a source that has either in cheap bulk lots.
>
> Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: ISO banana connectors (M and F) or small spade connectors

[lconley]

Soma sells the male and female 2.8mm Busch & Mueller connectors and has 
them in stock as of right now.

Laing

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 2:13:29 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Velolumino is still out of the banana connectors, and I'm still looking 
> for 2 pairs (ie, 2X male + female), or ditto for *small* spade connectors 
> -- VL offers 2.8 mm but no male ones: so, 2X 2.8mm spade connectors, male + 
> female.
>
> Happy to pay outrageous unit retail, tho' also happy to pay less.
>
> Or, point me to a source that has either in cheap bulk lots.
>
> Thanks.
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> ---
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[RBW] ISO banana connectors (M and F) or small spade connectors

[Patrick Moore]

Velolumino is still out of the banana connectors, and I'm still looking for
2 pairs (ie, 2X male + female), or ditto for *small* spade connectors -- VL
offers 2.8 mm but no male ones: so, 2X 2.8mm spade connectors, male +
female.

Happy to pay outrageous unit retail, tho' also happy to pay less.

Or, point me to a source that has either in cheap bulk lots.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Baggins Boxy Bag and Nitto F15

[Eric Marth]

Sold, instantly. 

Thanks!

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:41:29 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: IMG_4809.jpg]
>
> Hello all — I have a green waxed canvas Baggins Boxy Bag for sale. Asking 
> $125 net to me plus shipping to you. Payment via PayPal Friends & Family or 
> Venmo. Please email me. 
>
> It's well broken in. The fabric is supple, recently re-waxed. Included are 
> the four black plastic cord locks that came with the bag. Absent is a piece 
> of shock cord originally issued. See below for shock cord installation 
> instructions. 
>
> To hold a boxy shape I've installed a few pieces of coroplast. I'll leave 
> them installed and you can scrap them if you want. 
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> [image: IMG_4808.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_4810 2.jpg]
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-01-13 at 12.19.31 PM.png]
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-01-13 at 12.40.58 PM.png]
>
> [image: BoxyBagInstructions.jpg]
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[RBW] WTB MUSA Atlantis 59 (650B) or 58 (700C)

[Bob]

Happy Friday the 13th.

You have been holding on to your Waterford-made Atlantis, thinking you 
might one day sell it. I have been lamenting my failure to buy one for 
fifteen years. Shall we make a deal?

I'm looking for a 59 cm 650B Atlantis (as listed in the ca. 2016 RBW 
geometry chart). I'd prefer a complete bike, but a frameset or rolling 
chassis would work too.

If no one has a 59 they're willing to sell (or has one at all; I don't 
think I've ever seen one posted here), then I would also be interested in a 
58 (700C) Atlantis.

Answers to some anticipated questions:

   - Yes, the newly-re-available Crust Nor'Easter would function similarly. 
   I want an Atlantis, though, to redress various grievances (mostly against 
   myself).
   - No, I'm not interested in a newer MIT Atlantis. For the intended uses 
   I prefer a more traditional touring-bike chainstay length and 
   downtube-shifter bosses.
   - No, I'd rather have Waterford model than a Toyo. From what I've seen, 
   the Toyos had neither a third set of bottle-cage bosses under the downtube 
   nor lowrider bosses on the fork legs, both of which I use.
   
Thank you.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Richard Rose]

C & L cycles in Montréal have a large lime olive Susie complete.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2023, at 12:00 PM, Paul M  wrote:Looks like Crust bikes still has a XL (59cm) Lime-Olive Susie Longbolts in stock. This size uses a 31.8mm top tube diameter unlike the smaller models that use a 28.6 top tube diameter.On Friday, 13 January 2023 at 07:53:49 UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:I agree, Joe. I suspect these bikes will be among those highly sought-after, storied Rivendells - maybe soon, maybe further down the road, but I think your assessment is right on the money.On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie are going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them and keep them! On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:Nice humorous perspective, Joe.Smiles to you.Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I need somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it and scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Eliot Balogh]

I think they had a 58cm frameset too. Appaloosa maybe ?

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 6:45 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> RivSister Joyce, how can this be? I’m completely shocked. Especially
> because both of those models rarely go for sale, and there they are, like
> diamonds, glinting amongst the coal. Wow. Good finds!
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:17:17 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>
>> I stopped by Recycled Cycles tonight in Seattle and was shocked to see
>> two used Rivendells for sale.  I didn't note all the components on the
>> bikes; you'll have to contact Recycled Cycles if you're interested (info
>> below).  The photos aren't great, sorry!
>>
>> *Hunqapilar,* 60 cm, $2500.
>> Included Nitto racks, looked like Mark's and Big Back Rack, and a small
>> Sackville saddle bag.
>>
>> *Cheviot*, 60cm, $1900
>>
>> They also had the following that looked very lightly used or new, but
>> were labeled with second-hand prices:
>> --Brooks Flyer saddles (2, black)
>> --Acorn saddle bags (2)
>> --Sackville basket sack (olive)
>> - Sackville trunk sack (olive, $65)
>> -- Carradice Bagman with quick release (black)
>>
>> Recycled Cycles
>> 206-547-4491 <(206)%20547-4491>
>> recycledcycles.com
>> 1007 NE Boat Street, Seattle WA
>> 
>>
>> [image: IMG_1886.jpg][image: IMG_1887.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 9:46:29 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Bleriot, 55 cm
>>> $1950
>>> Seattle
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-bleriot-650b-size-55/7518207928.html
>>>
>>> Hubbuhubbuh, Medium
>>> $2700
>>> Whidbey Island (north of Seattle)
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/clinton-hubbuhubbuh-tandem-rivendell/7513433319.html
>>>
>>> Clem H, 45 cm
>>> $1800
>>> Seattle
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45/7514261621.html
>>>
>>> Clem L, 64cm  (Frameset/wheel set)
>>> $1200
>>> Eugene, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-rivendell-frameset-wheelset-64cm/7518051955.html
>>>
>>> Sam Hillborne, 57cm
>>> $1950
>>> Portland, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/bik/d/clackamas-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7514172354.html
>>>
>>> Atlantis, 64cm
>>> $2100
>>> Corvallis, OR
>>>
>>> https://corvallis.craigslist.org/bik/d/corvallis-rivendell-atlantis/7518027546.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:48:45 AM UTC-7 lwt...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have Wavie bars on my Atlantis and those look very similar.
 Lance

 On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 11:46:20 AM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:

> Anyone know what bars are on this Atlantis?  Posting is deleted on CL,
> so can't look there.
>
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 6:37:08 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Atlantis
>> 59cm
>> 3600
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-atlantis-59cm/7511867606.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 What did you discover? Did you by chance try the Flat 65?

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 09:42:36 AM MST, Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:  
 
 Man, wonderful info about the 74s – thank you for taking the time to relay 
that. The above posted photos of them show a significant amount of modification 
(cutting) to fit which I might be game to do however what I won’t tolerate is 
losing ample clearance around the tire. I’m about to head into the shop for the 
day and will throw the Atlantis in the stand and see if any of the dimensions 
of the Flat 65s would work, etc. At the very least I’ll share the mishaps I 
encounter as I try to push the limits of what the Atlantis can fit with you 
all. 
David – I appreciate that suggestion. I’ll throw around the dimensions of those 
with the mechanics today and see if they also see that working out. I feel 
pretty dedicated to the idea of fenders on this thing and the recent rain has 
left me wanting to ride more with less of a reason not to regardless of the 
weather. I feel like having fenders is the definitive way to make a bike a year 
round possibility, whether or not it’s a downpour.
- Luke in rainy, hailing San Francisco
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:

That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.

Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see if 
Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in low/low). If so you 
should be able to get them setup with the 2.25s G-ones since they don't really 
have knobs (assuming the tires actually measure out to 2.25 or less).

I'm thinking that Smooth 62s with 50mm tires would work on my Platy so I'd 
guess the Atlantis could do incrementally more.
-Dave

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) and 
holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and  heavily 
dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, and remove 
fender material around the chain stays.  Not for the faint of heart but looks 
possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the dimples just right.  
There's little question that the fenders will fit over your tires, but on an 
Atlantis, it will take some work.  The problem I would worry about is this, by 
the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, you may have lost your clearance 
around the tire at those points.  If you remove metal at those edges where it 
is too tight then the structure of the fender is seriously compromised.  I'd go 
with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 
tires for a bike with more clearance (like a Clem).  

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they look to 
have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! Ordering 
pronto. 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left this 
out.

Kim.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

Hi Luke,
On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid Rob 
29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks Honjo Smooth 
74 steel fenders as yet to be.   

Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy for my 
bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in Portland, 
Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred me to Kevin, 
who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike has the Honjo Smooth 
74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out a section for 
clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached pictures. I did not 
ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on his bike. I was more 
concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat post for my Clem. 

All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those fenders on the 
SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 

Hope this helps and not to confuse you.
Kim HetzelYelm, WA 

..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Or even a Smooth 74?

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” Schwalbe 
Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x Honjo Flat 65? Or 
would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input much appreciated.









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[RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

[Brian Turner]

I agree, Joe. I suspect these bikes will be among those highly 
sought-after, storied Rivendells - maybe soon, maybe further down the road, 
but I think your assessment is right on the money.

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie are 
> going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them and keep 
> them! 
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> Nice humorous perspective, Joe.
>>
>> Smiles to you.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I need 
>>> somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it and 
>>> scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS: SON 32h 6V-3W K179 Dynamo Hub

[Michael Ullmer]

SON 32h 6V-3W K179 Dynamo Hub - $125 plus shipping

--I bought this for a wheel build but ended up going a different route. No 
skewer.

 Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fFMHJ82BWiURZkHD8

 Mike in Minneapolis

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

RivSister Joyce, how can this be? I’m completely shocked. Especially 
because both of those models rarely go for sale, and there they are, like 
diamonds, glinting amongst the coal. Wow. Good finds!

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:17:17 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:

> I stopped by Recycled Cycles tonight in Seattle and was shocked to see two 
> used Rivendells for sale.  I didn't note all the components on the bikes; 
> you'll have to contact Recycled Cycles if you're interested (info below).  
> The photos aren't great, sorry!  
>
> *Hunqapilar,* 60 cm, $2500.  
> Included Nitto racks, looked like Mark's and Big Back Rack, and a small 
> Sackville saddle bag.
>
> *Cheviot*, 60cm, $1900
>
> They also had the following that looked very lightly used or new, but were 
> labeled with second-hand prices:
> --Brooks Flyer saddles (2, black)
> --Acorn saddle bags (2)
> --Sackville basket sack (olive)
> - Sackville trunk sack (olive, $65)
> -- Carradice Bagman with quick release (black)
>
> Recycled Cycles
> 206-547-4491 <(206)%20547-4491>
> recycledcycles.com
> 1007 NE Boat Street, Seattle WA
>
> [image: IMG_1886.jpg][image: IMG_1887.jpg]
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 9:46:29 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> Bleriot, 55 cm
>> $1950
>> Seattle
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-bleriot-650b-size-55/7518207928.html
>>
>> Hubbuhubbuh, Medium
>> $2700
>> Whidbey Island (north of Seattle)
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/clinton-hubbuhubbuh-tandem-rivendell/7513433319.html
>>
>> Clem H, 45 cm
>> $1800
>> Seattle
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45/7514261621.html
>>
>> Clem L, 64cm  (Frameset/wheel set)
>> $1200
>> Eugene, OR
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-rivendell-frameset-wheelset-64cm/7518051955.html
>>
>> Sam Hillborne, 57cm
>> $1950
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/bik/d/clackamas-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7514172354.html
>>
>> Atlantis, 64cm
>> $2100
>> Corvallis, OR
>>
>> https://corvallis.craigslist.org/bik/d/corvallis-rivendell-atlantis/7518027546.html
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:48:45 AM UTC-7 lwt...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have Wavie bars on my Atlantis and those look very similar. 
>>> Lance 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 11:46:20 AM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:
>>>
 Anyone know what bars are on this Atlantis?  Posting is deleted on CL, 
 so can't look there. 

 On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 6:37:08 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Atlantis
> 59cm
> 3600
> Berkeley, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-atlantis-59cm/7511867606.html
>
>

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[RBW] WTB/ISO Berthoud Mente or Aubisque saddle

[Brian Turner]

This may be a tall order, but if anyone is sitting on one of these wider 
Berthoud models in either a black or dark brown color and would like to 
part with it, I'd be interested!

thanks!
Brian

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto quill-clamp front brake housing stop

[Steven Sweedler]

Using the fork crown mounted brake stops also seems to completely eliminate
brake shudder. Steve

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 5:00 AM Garth  wrote:

> You know Patrick, the Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable stops allow for a
> unfettered cable and housing  run, just like a caliper brake. The silver
> ones seem to be unfavored in the US market, but are available from European
> retailers and even imported on ebay. Dia Compe and Origin8 make variation
> of these also.
>
> Having the hanger right above the canti makes for a very solid feel to
> braking. I didn't expect that, I only wanted to eliminate the dependence of
> the cable to the stem/headset. I never much liked that as if I ever wanted
> to adjust the stem I had to readjust the cable hanger. With the fork
> mounted ones you can do anything with the stem and headset without changing
> the cable drop to the hanger, just like a caliper brake.
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:21:45 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks all again. After looking more closely at the Nitto clamp-on stop I
>> put in to Rene Herse for an alert when their headset-mount stop is back in
>> stock. The RH will give another cm or so of drop, which is good given the
>> crowded housing with the lowish stem (high head and steerer).
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 6:33 AM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Patrick,
>>>
>>> Nitto Brake Cable Hanger AS-11 Cable Outer Stop:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/125523753526?epid=13056558044=item1d39cc7a36:g:XxQAAOSwnRljKvHe=enc%3AAQAHAAABAMhnQ0m7%2BPFX2C4UPt9bKLyjaiTP1Uw55hwJEkokd6WtJaVaVWD1ZKF0Yz6%2BdVYWYdH%2Fz6zXT%2FDzVK6lU84FpaNPKmwmcsQfyNcOIjF9XJIroUBq%2F7ep1Ha%2FEWUoaZpfYtuZSwnM89PQm0E87UjUqOSTszEafMpfKoI2GwB0rC%2FPQoWcTZLAs7Ulk4A8dxM8ECsk2UwZlbkysdc%2Buxb%2FmDzgFMQrScYj9%2F%2Bx7LAMu89muHp9ypuCEGnUSOhzbmk%2FwaqYHejvOMWY6u2Z3bFV4y39e8C5xmtC3XtakIMlOKyhnjiGSfPU4%2BizAI4zTlW4enGC%2B7TaaUv0kQ41XCKFrlg%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMpKHl3KNh
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:30:15 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I like the look of this hanger and waited way too long to buy a silver
 one from Blue Lug or Circles while they had them in stock. Ended up with
 black which was painted, not anodized. Had a lot of fun removing the paint
 and getting it to a silver that looks like it was in someone's toolbox for
 40 years.

 On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 9:15:16 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thank you Danny, David and (offlist) Michael. Looking at it more
> closely in the Bluelug and Analog photos, I think I'll hold out for the RH
> headset-mount hanger (out of stock) which will give me another cm or so of
> drop.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 6:15 PM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> From "Joey's Roadini" in today's email. Where can one find this stop?
>> I don't see it in Riv's catalogue, and a Google called nothing up.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who remembers that headset on his 1991 Specialized
>> Stumpjumper Team (or was it his 1993 XO-1?).
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
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>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto quill-clamp front brake housing stop

[Garth]

You know Patrick, the Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable stops allow for a 
unfettered cable and housing  run, just like a caliper brake. The silver 
ones seem to be unfavored in the US market, but are available from European 
retailers and even imported on ebay. Dia Compe and Origin8 make variation 
of these also. 

Having the hanger right above the canti makes for a very solid feel to 
braking. I didn't expect that, I only wanted to eliminate the dependence of 
the cable to the stem/headset. I never much liked that as if I ever wanted 
to adjust the stem I had to readjust the cable hanger. With the fork 
mounted ones you can do anything with the stem and headset without changing 
the cable drop to the hanger, just like a caliper brake.  


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:21:45 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks all again. After looking more closely at the Nitto clamp-on stop I 
> put in to Rene Herse for an alert when their headset-mount stop is back in 
> stock. The RH will give another cm or so of drop, which is good given the 
> crowded housing with the lowish stem (high head and steerer).
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 6:33 AM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
>> Hey Patrick,
>>
>> Nitto Brake Cable Hanger AS-11 Cable Outer Stop:
>>  
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/125523753526?epid=13056558044=item1d39cc7a36:g:XxQAAOSwnRljKvHe=enc%3AAQAHAAABAMhnQ0m7%2BPFX2C4UPt9bKLyjaiTP1Uw55hwJEkokd6WtJaVaVWD1ZKF0Yz6%2BdVYWYdH%2Fz6zXT%2FDzVK6lU84FpaNPKmwmcsQfyNcOIjF9XJIroUBq%2F7ep1Ha%2FEWUoaZpfYtuZSwnM89PQm0E87UjUqOSTszEafMpfKoI2GwB0rC%2FPQoWcTZLAs7Ulk4A8dxM8ECsk2UwZlbkysdc%2Buxb%2FmDzgFMQrScYj9%2F%2Bx7LAMu89muHp9ypuCEGnUSOhzbmk%2FwaqYHejvOMWY6u2Z3bFV4y39e8C5xmtC3XtakIMlOKyhnjiGSfPU4%2BizAI4zTlW4enGC%2B7TaaUv0kQ41XCKFrlg%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMpKHl3KNh
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 8:30:15 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I like the look of this hanger and waited way too long to buy a silver 
>>> one from Blue Lug or Circles while they had them in stock. Ended up with 
>>> black which was painted, not anodized. Had a lot of fun removing the paint 
>>> and getting it to a silver that looks like it was in someone's toolbox for 
>>> 40 years. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 9:15:16 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Danny, David and (offlist) Michael. Looking at it more 
 closely in the Bluelug and Analog photos, I think I'll hold out for the RH 
 headset-mount hanger (out of stock) which will give me another cm or so of 
 drop.





 On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 6:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> From "Joey's Roadini" in today's email. Where can one find this stop? 
> I don't see it in Riv's catalogue, and a Google called nothing up.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, who remembers that headset on his 1991 Specialized 
> Stumpjumper Team (or was it his 1993 XO-1?).
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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