[RBW] Re: Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

[R. Alexis]

Congratulations How exciting when the planning and futzing over the 
bike and parts finally come together. Any changes in parts and such while 
thinking over the build? I know when I built the Rivendell Mountain I went 
back and forth on several items. Thought of doing an 8 speed freewheel, but 
it seemed much when accounting for the hub set up and scarcity of 8 speed 
freewheels. Planned on doing a Nitto built Ritchey stem, but going with the 
Softride suspension stem was a strong pull. 

Take it slow, don't supper force anything. Take it easy with the hammer! 
Lol!!!

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 9:37:33 AM UTC-6 jak...@me.com wrote:

> I had to say it:  "Just ship it to me".
>
> If Vince knew any better, he would have talked me out of it.I've never 
> built a bike from (mostly) scratch before, and of course it had to be a 
> Riv.  Gutsy.  There may be other less flattering words for it.
>
> Learning from all of you has given me false bravado to forge ahead, so I 
> shall.  Picking parts has been a delight.  I have been embracing the 
> anticipation of arriving shiny bits as  patience will most definitely be 
> virtue.  Just one more box from Riv and I'll have all I need.  I think I 
> have a hammer around here somewhere.
>
> If I blow it, you'll never hear from me again.  If it rolls fast and true, 
> I will post a glorious, victorious photo from Flatistan, FL.
>
> See any parts you like?  Wish me luck!
>
> #goheavyontheboeshield
>
> [image: Sam Parts.jpg]
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

[Ted Durant]

> On Jan 15, 2023, at 7:06 PM, 'Slacky Mac'> wrote:
> 
> Ted - that beautiful Lime Olive color almost had be buying two Sams!  Yours 
> will be really sharp with the brass.  Please share some pics once done.
> 
Hah! My other daughter lives in Maine and I have given some thought to building 
a silver Sam to keep at her house.  :-)

Sim.works has the Nissen housing, for those that are interested. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO banana connectors (M and F) or small spade connectors

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for this; can't lose by placing an order; it's on my monthly order
chart.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 2:33 PM Andrew Letton  wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> If you search for "2mm banana connector" on Aliexpress, there are lots of
> sellers...of course it will take a number of weeks to receive them!
>
> And example:
>
> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002940167405.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.23.115848aaf6BpoV&algo_pvid=54ca441a-a144-4bbd-b8ca-830211b4dc9f&aem_p4p_detail=20230115133039831619735723660010100141&algo_exp_id=54ca441a-a144-4bbd-b8ca-830211b4dc9f-11&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%221222884574184%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21AUD%215.76%214.49%21%21%21%21%21%40211bc2a016738182397014964d06d7%211222884574184%21sea&curPageLogUid=t6K2puCxF85o&ad_pvid=20230115133039831619735723660010100141_12&ad_pvid=20230115133039831619735723660010100141_12
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew in Sydney
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 06:41:52 AM GMT+11, Patrick Moore <
> bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Laing and Ray: Thank you. If an off-list offer does not turn into things,
> then I will look both of these sources up. Meanwhile they'll go to my
> archive.
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 12:13 PM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
> Velolumino is still out of the banana connectors, and I'm still looking
> for 2 pairs (ie, 2X male + female), or ditto for *small* spade connectors
> -- VL offers 2.8 mm but no male ones: so, 2X 2.8mm spade connectors, male +
> female.
>
> Happy to pay outrageous unit retail, tho' also happy to pay less.
>
> Or, point me to a source that has either in cheap bulk lots.
>
> Thanks.
>
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> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ted - that beautiful Lime Olive color almost had be buying two Sams!  Yours 
will be really sharp with the brass.  Please share some pics once done.

Eric - Good eye on the derailer!  I admit I wanted the silver body more 
than the low-normal function, but am excited to try it.   I found the 
housing at Crust.  That is some stout stuff, my cable cutters are 
terrified.  My triangle is a keeper, but thanks for the offer.  Not a lot 
of reflective properties though, more cute than safe. 

Thanks all for the encouragement.  Counting down to the last box arrival 
this week.  

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 10:16:49 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks like fun, Jake! Keep us posted ✌️
>
> It's nice to see one of those old Nexave rapid risers going to use. 
>
> Where did you pick up that Nissen housing? I just used some on a build. 
>
> I think I have a royal blue safety triangle from Blue Lug, brand new. I'd 
> trade for that silver one if you're interested. And no big deal if not 
> :) 
>
> On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 9:04:31 AM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> If Vince knew any better, he would have talked me out of it.I've 
>> never built a bike from (mostly) scratch before, and of course it had to be 
>> a Riv.  Gutsy.  There may be other less flattering words for it.
>>  Fun thread! Be sure to post more photos as it comes together!
>>
>> Normally I'm excited to build my own bikes, but I am having my new Sam 
>> and its parts shipped to The Cub House in San Marino, CA. The bike is going 
>> to live at my daughter's, about a mile from The Cub House, and I'm really 
>> pleased they'll do the build for me. Mine is Lime Olive and will feature 
>> plenty of little brass bits, along with the olive cable housing from 
>> SimWorks. Drop bar build, because that's how I roll.
>>
>> Ted Durant 
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: SON 32h 6V-3W K179 Dynamo Hub

[Michael Ullmer]

Sorry, forgot to update the post. This sold

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 11:16:40 AM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:

> Mike
>
> Any idea of how old it is or how miles it has on it?
>
> United in dyno,
>
> Edwin
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> SON 32h 6V-3W K179 Dynamo Hub - $125 plus shipping
>>
>> --I bought this for a wheel build but ended up going a different route. 
>> No skewer.
>>
>>  Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fFMHJ82BWiURZkHD8
>>
>>  Mike in Minneapolis
>>
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Re: [RBW] bottom bracket toubleshooting trivia

[George Schick]

Another thing that can be done, and I've done several times with both 
Shimano and Phil BB's that kept working loose, is get a locking ring from 
an old three-piece BB set, torque the NDS cup to where it feels right, hold 
it in place with the BB wrench and tighten down the locking ring on the few 
threads that remain visible outside of the BB shell with a locking ring 
wrench.  Loctite, Teflon tape, or whatever can also be applied on those 
threads before installing the locking ring.


On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 4:19:55 PM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> I've notice this with both Shimano and Tange cartridges. If torqued to 
> what the manual says, the spindle doesn't rotate freely. It's not 
> "supposed" to do that, but what good is that when it does ? So, I lessened 
> the torque. I also apply teflon tape on the threads, along with the grease. 
> While teflon tape's "supposed" purpose is to prevent leaks and keep the 
> threads from seizing, it also fills the gaps in the threads and acts like a 
> mild thread locker. (I also applied some teflon tape on a Delta bathtub 
> single scald-guard knob mounting bolt that wouldn't stay tight, not even 
> locitite worked, at least the blue crap I had. The darn bolt on the cap 
> hasn't budged with the tape.) I had one Shimano NDS cup that did slooowly 
> loosen over a lng time. So with that I removed the NDS cup, applied a 
> little blue loctite with the tape and it hasn't moved since. When in doubt, 
> just throw everything in there ..in other words ... what you need to do 
> will come to you as needed. 
>
> The NDS cup with cartridges doesn't need to be that tight, it's only 
> purpose is for mounting in the frame. As such, it doesn't matter how tight 
> it is, unless it binds the bearing that is. 
>
> The cartridges that have a lipped NDS cup(UN54) were never an issue, only 
> the newer ones without it. The UN72 was never a problem either. 
>
> That's the story of that ... 
>

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Re: [RBW] bottom bracket toubleshooting trivia

[Garth]

I've notice this with both Shimano and Tange cartridges. If torqued to what 
the manual says, the spindle doesn't rotate freely. It's not "supposed" to 
do that, but what good is that when it does ? So, I lessened the torque. I 
also apply teflon tape on the threads, along with the grease. While teflon 
tape's "supposed" purpose is to prevent leaks and keep the threads from 
seizing, it also fills the gaps in the threads and acts like a mild thread 
locker. (I also applied some teflon tape on a Delta bathtub single 
scald-guard knob mounting bolt that wouldn't stay tight, not even locitite 
worked, at least the blue crap I had. The darn bolt on the cap hasn't 
budged with the tape.) I had one Shimano NDS cup that did slooowly loosen 
over a lng time. So with that I removed the NDS cup, applied a little 
blue loctite with the tape and it hasn't moved since. When in doubt, just 
throw everything in there ..in other words ... what you need to do will 
come to you as needed. 

The NDS cup with cartridges doesn't need to be that tight, it's only 
purpose is for mounting in the frame. As such, it doesn't matter how tight 
it is, unless it binds the bearing that is. 

The cartridges that have a lipped NDS cup(UN54) were never an issue, only 
the newer ones without it. The UN72 was never a problem either. 

That's the story of that ... 

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[RBW] FS: Riv Adjacent Wool, Leather, and Patagonia

[Conway Bennett]

All,

I'm decluttering. So, for your consideration is nice use wool, leather, and 
Patagonia gear.  Prices are net to me and do not include shipping.  To 
purchase anything please contact me off list.  Thanks in advance!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yvD2J527DoMkYRxMBGHPmxzg_JARrHaGJyfwpeXZgoY/edit?usp=drivesdk

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO banana connectors (M and F) or small spade connectors

[Andrew Letton]

 Hi Patrick,
If you search for "2mm banana connector" on Aliexpress, there are lots of 
sellers...of course it will take a number of weeks to receive them!
And 
example:https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002940167405.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.23.115848aaf6BpoV&algo_pvid=54ca441a-a144-4bbd-b8ca-830211b4dc9f&aem_p4p_detail=20230115133039831619735723660010100141&algo_exp_id=54ca441a-a144-4bbd-b8ca-830211b4dc9f-11&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%221222884574184%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21AUD%215.76%214.49%21%21%21%21%21%40211bc2a016738182397014964d06d7%211222884574184%21sea&curPageLogUid=t6K2puCxF85o&ad_pvid=20230115133039831619735723660010100141_12&ad_pvid=20230115133039831619735723660010100141_12

Cheers,Andrew in Sydney
On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 06:41:52 AM GMT+11, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:  
 
 Laing and Ray: Thank you. If an off-list offer does not turn into things, then 
I will look both of these sources up. Meanwhile they'll go to my archive.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 12:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

Velolumino is still out of the banana connectors, and I'm still looking for 2 
pairs (ie, 2X male + female), or ditto for small spade connectors -- VL offers 
2.8 mm but no male ones: so, 2X 2.8mm spade connectors, male + female.
Happy to pay outrageous unit retail, tho' also happy to pay less.
Or, point me to a source that has either in cheap bulk lots.
Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] bottom bracket toubleshooting trivia

[Mr. Ray]

Don't worry.  Your "new" UN91 bb's are likely over 15 years or older since 
leaving the Shimano factory.  The grease inside has probably changed 
viscosity due to non-use.  Cartridge bb's don't usually require a "ream and 
face" of the bb shell so if the cups are torqued to spec just attach cranks 
and ride.  The spindle should spin smoothly after breaking in.  My last 
UN91 wasn't torqued to spec and lasted over 30,000 miles.  I only tossed it 
because I tossed the frame and couldn't get the cups loose easily.

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Edit correction to my post, please.
>
> Second sentence of third paragraph of original post should read:
>
> When I turn the spindle by hand it is not smooth (definitely some 
> resistance and a tad sticky)*, unlike* the one I installed in Atlantis or 
> an uninstalled on.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 11:44:35 AM MST, 'Scott' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote: 
>
>
> Hey, Bunch:
>
> Pinging the group's knowledge for input/feedback on an issue I'm having 
> with an install of a new cartridge style BB in a new frame.
>
> I'm building a new Atlantis and Gus. I installed a new BB (Shimano XTR 
> UN91) in Atlantis and torqued to spec. It's butterlicious smooth. Installed 
> cranks and gave them a spin. It's what every man, woman, and child wants. 
>
> I installed same BB (also new) in Gus and tightened to spec. When I turn 
> the spindle by hand it is not smooth (definitely some resistance and a tad 
> sticky) like the one I installed in Atlantis or an uninstalled one. Why is 
> that? I checked it before install, and it was butter smooth. I uninstalled 
> it from Gus, and it spins butter smooth. I reinstalled main body section to 
> spec, and it is butter smooth, no change. When I install the opposing cup 
> (Shimano calls it an adapter), at this point is when I begin to notice a 
> notable change in spindle rotation smoothness.
>
> I've ensured proper shell widths. And I've ensured shell/cartridge faces 
> are clean and blemish-free.
>
> Of note, opposing cup spins freely during install for about one third the 
> way to full seat. From there it spins freely part of rotation and not 
> freely otherwise. I can turn it by hand still using splined-tool, but there 
> is definitely resistance during part of the rotation. After I can't go any 
> further by hand, I fully seat with torque wrench.
>
> Could it be that the threads on either side of the shell are not exactly 
> coplanar, since threads are not continuous from one side of shell to the 
> other?
> It shouldn't be a shell facing issue, because the opposing cup doesn't 
> interface with shell face.
>
> Confounding to me. There isn't much to installing a new cartridge style BB 
> into a new frame...screw it in. That's the problem, in part. There's 
> nothing to correct with install technique. I'd love to be wrong and get it 
> butter smooth like one in my Atlantis, for example.
>
> Please, share your thoughts as to what the source of issue may be and 
> recommended remedy!
>
> Scott in (I want it to be spring, summer, and fall) Montana
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] bottom bracket toubleshooting trivia

[JohnS]

Hello Scott,

Is there a screw for the under bottom bracket cable guide? It could be a 
tad long and interfering with the bottom bracket. I would recommend backing 
it out and if that helps adding a washer to the screw or replacing with a 
slightly shorter one. I've had some difficulties with bottom bracket 
installs in the past due to the cable guide screw being too long.

Hope it helps,
JohnS

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 1:52:56 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Edit correction to my post, please.
>
> Second sentence of third paragraph of original post should read:
>
> When I turn the spindle by hand it is not smooth (definitely some 
> resistance and a tad sticky)*, unlike* the one I installed in Atlantis or 
> an uninstalled on.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 11:44:35 AM MST, 'Scott' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote: 
>
>
> Hey, Bunch:
>
> Pinging the group's knowledge for input/feedback on an issue I'm having 
> with an install of a new cartridge style BB in a new frame.
>
> I'm building a new Atlantis and Gus. I installed a new BB (Shimano XTR 
> UN91) in Atlantis and torqued to spec. It's butterlicious smooth. Installed 
> cranks and gave them a spin. It's what every man, woman, and child wants. 
>
> I installed same BB (also new) in Gus and tightened to spec. When I turn 
> the spindle by hand it is not smooth (definitely some resistance and a tad 
> sticky) like the one I installed in Atlantis or an uninstalled one. Why is 
> that? I checked it before install, and it was butter smooth. I uninstalled 
> it from Gus, and it spins butter smooth. I reinstalled main body section to 
> spec, and it is butter smooth, no change. When I install the opposing cup 
> (Shimano calls it an adapter), at this point is when I begin to notice a 
> notable change in spindle rotation smoothness.
>
> I've ensured proper shell widths. And I've ensured shell/cartridge faces 
> are clean and blemish-free.
>
> Of note, opposing cup spins freely during install for about one third the 
> way to full seat. From there it spins freely part of rotation and not 
> freely otherwise. I can turn it by hand still using splined-tool, but there 
> is definitely resistance during part of the rotation. After I can't go any 
> further by hand, I fully seat with torque wrench.
>
> Could it be that the threads on either side of the shell are not exactly 
> coplanar, since threads are not continuous from one side of shell to the 
> other?
> It shouldn't be a shell facing issue, because the opposing cup doesn't 
> interface with shell face.
>
> Confounding to me. There isn't much to installing a new cartridge style BB 
> into a new frame...screw it in. That's the problem, in part. There's 
> nothing to correct with install technique. I'd love to be wrong and get it 
> butter smooth like one in my Atlantis, for example.
>
> Please, share your thoughts as to what the source of issue may be and 
> recommended remedy!
>
> Scott in (I want it to be spring, summer, and fall) Montana
>
>
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[RBW] FS - 1995 Rivendell Road Frameset - 56cm - Riv Blue

[Huston]

Greetings,

For your consideration is a 56cm 1995 Rivendell Road frameset. I recently 
posted this frameset as part of a “want to trade” listing, but that was 
proving to be too complicated; hence, this straight up “for sale” listing.

The frame measurements are as follows: seat tube 56cm c-t-c; top tube 57cm 
c-t-c. Takes 700c wheels and 27.2mm seat post; rear spacing is 130mm.  The 
pictured headset is not included but can be made available.  For more 
details on the Road, please see Riv Reader #2, which Reed has kindly made 
available here . 

Photos are available here 
.
 
As for condition, there is definite beausage (i.e, plenty of paint 
blemishes). Chain stays and bottom bracket shell are the worst. But, the 
frame is solid: no dents or issues to mention, and it rides well. Nothing 
is hidden in the pictures. The weather and lighting have been difficult 
here lately. The “Riv blue” is best exemplified by the pictures taken on 
the black table.

I am selling this frame for one simple reason: it is too small for me. 
Plus, I really need to reduce the fleet to n-1.

$850 plus shipping. Local pickup is welcome.

Thanks for looking.

Huston
Lexington, KY

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Re: [RBW] bottom bracket toubleshooting trivia

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Edit correction to my post, please.
Second sentence of third paragraph of original post should read:
When I turn the spindle by hand it is not smooth (definitely some resistance 
and a tad sticky), unlike the one I installed in Atlantis or an uninstalled on.


On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 11:44:35 AM MST, 'Scott' via RBW Owners 
Bunch  wrote:  
 
 Hey, Bunch:
Pinging the group's knowledge for input/feedback on an issue I'm having with an 
install of a new cartridge style BB in a new frame.
I'm building a new Atlantis and Gus. I installed a new BB (Shimano XTR UN91) in 
Atlantis and torqued to spec. It's butterlicious smooth. Installed cranks and 
gave them a spin. It's what every man, woman, and child wants. 

I installed same BB (also new) in Gus and tightened to spec. When I turn the 
spindle by hand it is not smooth (definitely some resistance and a tad sticky) 
like the one I installed in Atlantis or an uninstalled one. Why is that? I 
checked it before install, and it was butter smooth. I uninstalled it from Gus, 
and it spins butter smooth. I reinstalled main body section to spec, and it is 
butter smooth, no change. When I install the opposing cup (Shimano calls it an 
adapter), at this point is when I begin to notice a notable change in spindle 
rotation smoothness.
I've ensured proper shell widths. And I've ensured shell/cartridge faces are 
clean and blemish-free.
Of note, opposing cup spins freely during install for about one third the way 
to full seat. From there it spins freely part of rotation and not freely 
otherwise. I can turn it by hand still using splined-tool, but there is 
definitely resistance during part of the rotation. After I can't go any further 
by hand, I fully seat with torque wrench.
Could it be that the threads on either side of the shell are not exactly 
coplanar, since threads are not continuous from one side of shell to the 
other?It shouldn't be a shell facing issue, because the opposing cup doesn't 
interface with shell face.
Confounding to me. There isn't much to installing a new cartridge style BB into 
a new frame...screw it in. That's the problem, in part. There's nothing to 
correct with install technique. I'd love to be wrong and get it butter smooth 
like one in my Atlantis, for example.

Please, share your thoughts as to what the source of issue may be and 
recommended remedy!
Scott in (I want it to be spring, summer, and fall) Montana






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[RBW] bottom bracket toubleshooting trivia

['Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey, Bunch:

Pinging the group's knowledge for input/feedback on an issue I'm having 
with an install of a new cartridge style BB in a new frame.

I'm building a new Atlantis and Gus. I installed a new BB (Shimano XTR 
UN91) in Atlantis and torqued to spec. It's butterlicious smooth. Installed 
cranks and gave them a spin. It's what every man, woman, and child wants. 

I installed same BB (also new) in Gus and tightened to spec. When I turn 
the spindle by hand it is not smooth (definitely some resistance and a tad 
sticky) like the one I installed in Atlantis or an uninstalled one. Why is 
that? I checked it before install, and it was butter smooth. I uninstalled 
it from Gus, and it spins butter smooth. I reinstalled main body section to 
spec, and it is butter smooth, no change. When I install the opposing cup 
(Shimano calls it an adapter), at this point is when I begin to notice a 
notable change in spindle rotation smoothness.

I've ensured proper shell widths. And I've ensured shell/cartridge faces 
are clean and blemish-free.

Of note, opposing cup spins freely during install for about one third the 
way to full seat. From there it spins freely part of rotation and not 
freely otherwise. I can turn it by hand still using splined-tool, but there 
is definitely resistance during part of the rotation. After I can't go any 
further by hand, I fully seat with torque wrench.

Could it be that the threads on either side of the shell are not exactly 
coplanar, since threads are not continuous from one side of shell to the 
other?
It shouldn't be a shell facing issue, because the opposing cup doesn't 
interface with shell face.

Confounding to me. There isn't much to installing a new cartridge style BB 
into a new frame...screw it in. That's the problem, in part. There's 
nothing to correct with install technique. I'd love to be wrong and get it 
butter smooth like one in my Atlantis, for example.

Please, share your thoughts as to what the source of issue may be and 
recommended remedy!

Scott in (I want it to be spring, summer, and fall) Montana




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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[JohnS]

Thank you Marty for sharing. I'm about to go out and get some orange touch 
up paint for my Quickbeam now. The touring brakes came yesterday and the 
mini-motos should be here later in the week.

JohnS


On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 11:34:06 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> Ten years ago I had a QB set up  "ALL PAUL" style; brakes 
> (neo-retro/touring), levers, Moon Units, hubs, crankset, seatpost, and even 
> the rack they made for a short time. Wonderful build and fun to ride. Might 
> be fun to do something similar when the RoadUno shows up. 
>
> [image: 7190356252_e623d4ae9f_c.jpg]
>
> Grabbed this shot at a bookstore in the Chicago burbs when Grant was doing 
> his Just Ride book tour and I stopped by. 
>
> [image: 8016747421_ba760b696c_c.jpg]
>
> Marty
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 6:58:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks; come to think of it, I had a pair of these as well but found them 
>> too cramped. The CC or Tektros were more comfortable but are made from a 
>> lot of plastic.
>>
>> I think I'll stick to my old Dura Ace levers and Paul cantis.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 5:23 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> DIa Compe 287V still seems to be readily available.
>>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:15:26 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 To fully clean and purge all residual nuances for this discussion of 
 the bestPaul brakes for one's bike: Question: What are the several options 
 for long-pull road levers? Long ago it was Tektro and Cane Creek long-pull 
 road levers, and I used both, but that was circa 2012 when I first built 
 my 
 first edition Fargo. Have any other long pull drop bar levers appeared in 
 the last decade? Context: I'd really love to use V brakes on my 2020 
 Matthews, but I would hate to give up my 7410-era DA levers. So I wonder 
 if 
 anyone makes long-pull drop bar levers more like the DAs and less like the 
 CC and Tektros -- which I think were the same brake under different logos? 
 Don't want Travel Agents or similar.

 I expect that in 2023 we have the same options, CC and Tektro, only.

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>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB MUSA Atlantis 59 (650B) or 58 (700C)

[Bob]

Thanks, Edwin. I shall do so.

To all, a number of list members have sent me a private message notifying 
me of a red Toyo 58 Atlantis for sale in the Bay Area. I was pleased to see 
that at least some Toyo frames included the braze-ons that I associate with 
later Waterford frames. Thank you, again, for the alert. I'm going to hold 
on, for the time being, to the dream of a 59/650B.

--
Bob

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 10:15:14 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Good luck in your search. I have made the same search for many of the same 
> reasons in a slightly larger size. I had not heard of the Crust Nor'easter. 
> That checks a lot of the boxes except for color (esp in Canti). I have a 
> hard time justifying a bike that is not very different from my Joe Appa, 
> but that vintage of Atlantis with one too tube and more traditional length 
> chain stays just looks so right to me.
>
> Keep us updated as to what you find!
>
> Edwin
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:06:03 PM UTC-6 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Happy Friday the 13th.
>>
>> You have been holding on to your Waterford-made Atlantis, thinking you 
>> might one day sell it. I have been lamenting my failure to buy one for 
>> fifteen years. Shall we make a deal?
>>
>> I'm looking for a 59 cm 650B Atlantis (as listed in the ca. 2016 RBW 
>> geometry chart). I'd prefer a complete bike, but a frameset or rolling 
>> chassis would work too.
>>
>> If no one has a 59 they're willing to sell (or has one at all; I don't 
>> think I've ever seen one posted here), then I would also be interested in a 
>> 58 (700C) Atlantis.
>>
>> Answers to some anticipated questions:
>>
>>- Yes, the newly-re-available Crust Nor'Easter would function 
>>similarly. I want an Atlantis, though, to redress various grievances 
>>(mostly against myself).
>>- No, I'm not interested in a newer MIT Atlantis. For the intended 
>>uses I prefer a more traditional touring-bike chainstay length and 
>>downtube-shifter bosses.
>>- No, I'd rather have Waterford model than a Toyo. From what I've 
>>seen, the Toyos had neither a third set of bottle-cage bosses under the 
>>downtube nor lowrider bosses on the fork legs, both of which I use.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: SON 32h 6V-3W K179 Dynamo Hub

[Edwin W]

Mike

Any idea of how old it is or how miles it has on it?

United in dyno,

Edwin

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> SON 32h 6V-3W K179 Dynamo Hub - $125 plus shipping
>
> --I bought this for a wheel build but ended up going a different route. No 
> skewer.
>
>  Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fFMHJ82BWiURZkHD8
>
>  Mike in Minneapolis
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB MUSA Atlantis 59 (650B) or 58 (700C)

[Edwin W]

Bob,

Good luck in your search. I have made the same search for many of the same 
reasons in a slightly larger size. I had not heard of the Crust Nor'easter. 
That checks a lot of the boxes except for color (esp in Canti). I have a 
hard time justifying a bike that is not very different from my Joe Appa, 
but that vintage of Atlantis with one too tube and more traditional length 
chain stays just looks so right to me.

Keep us updated as to what you find!

Edwin

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:06:03 PM UTC-6 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> Happy Friday the 13th.
>
> You have been holding on to your Waterford-made Atlantis, thinking you 
> might one day sell it. I have been lamenting my failure to buy one for 
> fifteen years. Shall we make a deal?
>
> I'm looking for a 59 cm 650B Atlantis (as listed in the ca. 2016 RBW 
> geometry chart). I'd prefer a complete bike, but a frameset or rolling 
> chassis would work too.
>
> If no one has a 59 they're willing to sell (or has one at all; I don't 
> think I've ever seen one posted here), then I would also be interested in a 
> 58 (700C) Atlantis.
>
> Answers to some anticipated questions:
>
>- Yes, the newly-re-available Crust Nor'Easter would function 
>similarly. I want an Atlantis, though, to redress various grievances 
>(mostly against myself).
>- No, I'm not interested in a newer MIT Atlantis. For the intended 
>uses I prefer a more traditional touring-bike chainstay length and 
>downtube-shifter bosses.
>- No, I'd rather have Waterford model than a Toyo. From what I've 
>seen, the Toyos had neither a third set of bottle-cage bosses under the 
>downtube nor lowrider bosses on the fork legs, both of which I use.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Bob
>

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Re: [RBW] Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

[Eric Marth]

Looks like fun, Jake! Keep us posted ✌️

It's nice to see one of those old Nexave rapid risers going to use. 

Where did you pick up that Nissen housing? I just used some on a build. 

I think I have a royal blue safety triangle from Blue Lug, brand new. I'd 
trade for that silver one if you're interested. And no big deal if not 
:) 

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 9:04:31 AM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Jan 14, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> If Vince knew any better, he would have talked me out of it.I've never 
> built a bike from (mostly) scratch before, and of course it had to be a 
> Riv.  Gutsy.  There may be other less flattering words for it.
>  Fun thread! Be sure to post more photos as it comes together!
>
> Normally I'm excited to build my own bikes, but I am having my new Sam and 
> its parts shipped to The Cub House in San Marino, CA. The bike is going to 
> live at my daughter's, about a mile from The Cub House, and I'm really 
> pleased they'll do the build for me. Mine is Lime Olive and will feature 
> plenty of little brass bits, along with the olive cable housing from 
> SimWorks. Drop bar build, because that's how I roll.
>
> Ted Durant 
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

[Ted Durant]

On Jan 14, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

If Vince knew any better, he would have talked me out of it.I've never 
built a bike from (mostly) scratch before, and of course it had to be a 
Riv.  Gutsy.  There may be other less flattering words for it.
 Fun thread! Be sure to post more photos as it comes together!

Normally I'm excited to build my own bikes, but I am having my new Sam and 
its parts shipped to The Cub House in San Marino, CA. The bike is going to 
live at my daughter's, about a mile from The Cub House, and I'm really 
pleased they'll do the build for me. Mine is Lime Olive and will feature 
plenty of little brass bits, along with the olive cable housing from 
SimWorks. Drop bar build, because that's how I roll.

Ted Durant 
Milwaukee, WI USA

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