Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Chris L]

That should have been "advertised 46cm chainstay".   

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:44:29 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:

> For years, RBW's geometry for the 54cm Hunqapillar was incorrect in saying 
> it had a 58cm ETT  when in fact, it had a 59.9 cm ETT.  I have a schematic 
> of the 54 Hunqapillar with the 59.9 length and it also shows 47cm 
> chainstays, instead of the advertised 56cm.  I confirmed with Will that the 
> 59.9 ETT is correct.  
>
> [image: Copy of 00.jpg]
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 3:28:29 PM UTC-6 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 
>>
>> It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and 
>> relatively traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming 
>> meant more for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting 
>> lnger and more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the 
>> Bombadils in terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under 
>> the impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always 
>> from what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 
>>
>> It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
>> were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
>> physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 
>>
>> Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a 
>> hunqapillar and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back 
>> oriented designs? 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:15:25 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. 
>>>
>>> Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee 
>>> shirt with that design. 
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:
>>>
 Ill play along.  I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010.  Its my 
 absolute favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized 
 expedition i owned.  I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was 
 selling when these first came out.  

 On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for 
> John's yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos:
>
> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg]
> Max
> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?
>>
>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
>>> Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9161.jpg]
>>>
>>> Happy holidays,
>>> Vern in San Francisco
>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 
>>> foolis...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
 associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It 
 keeps 
 up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like 
 a 
 swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq 
 info 
 flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to 
 me. 

 On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:

> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered 
> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to 
> somebody else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the 
> remaining 
> 54CM from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more 
> ornate lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were 
> too 
> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the 
> less 
> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything 
> people 
> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my 
> frame 
> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides 
> surprisingly 
> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides 
> with 
> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would 
>> only recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  
>> 

[RBW] Re: New Nitto x Blue Lug Power Stem

[Drew Henson]

old thread, but does anyone have one of thee laying around they'd be will 
to part ways with? i just got the riv faceplatter and it's about 15 cm too 
long and bottoms out on the steer tube leaving the bars just a touch high. 
this blue lug version would be perfecto. the MT-54 would be too short i 
think.

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:38:11 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I recently bought one of these and just received it. I love the Nitto 
> MT-54S and this is indeed similar but it surpasses it in a few ways. 
>
>1. It has a little extra height. Not a ton but enough to give a little 
>more flexibility. Not a huge deal for me as I don't really need more 
> height 
>but that will be a plus for many people.
>2. The faceplate on the Blue Lug version is a little cleaner and 
>sports the Nitto logo in a classy way. The MT-54S faceplate is nice and 
>maybe even a little fancier to look at but I prefer the one on this Blue 
>Lug stem.
>3. These stems come in smaller sizes. The MT-54S stops at 80mm or 90mm 
>(I forget). I like the option to go shorter. In fact the whole reason I 
>went this way is because my new Clem is a long reach for me. I needed to 
>bring the bars closer than the stock 80mm Nitto allowed. Most options like 
>the MT-54S, the SimWorks stems, those new ones Rivendell sells or the Velo 
>Orange options stop at 80mm. Because of the rise it would have brought 
> them 
>a bit closer than the stock stem but not by a whole lot.  I was able to 
> get 
>a 70mm stem from Blue Lug. The Nitto Faceplatter is just too silly tall 
> for 
>me.
>4. A really nice plus is that the stem cap can be replaced with the 
>options offered by Analog and SimWorks if you want to add a dash of color. 
>I think between those two sources you can get gold, red, green, black and 
>silver. I picked up a gold one. The new Rivendell stem might be able to do 
>the same thing I am not sure.
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 11:48:32 AM UTC-5 jvoli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> These remind of an updated version (faceplate + additional vertical 
>> adjustment) of the old Ritchey Force (Nitto made) quill stems on 90s MTBs.  
>> I definitely want to try this out in the near future.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 8:27:18 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny that in their blog post Nitto shares two of Ron's bikes with the 
>>> Uncle Ron's Back Bars and yet this new stem wouldn't work with 'em! 
>>>
>>> https://bluelug.com/blog/global/nitto-power-stem/
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 11:25:40 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Happy to share, Jason! Best o'luck :) 

 On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 9:17:25 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Woo!  I might just buy the FW30 for the Bombadil.  I do like the 
> smooth fillets of the Riv version of this stem, but I'm somewhat between 
> sizes on the Riv stems and this has exactly what I want (the 100mm, which 
> will be around 90mm actual I believe). Thanks for sharing Eric! 
>
> On Saturday, 26 February 2022 at 17:42:47 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Nice! It seems exactly like the MT-54S but maybe with a touch more 
>> height.  The MT-54S is my favorite Nitto stem.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 8:15:52 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems to me this group would go just plain bananas for this new stem!
>>>
>>> 25.4 clamp with a 4-bolt plate
>>>
>>> Nitto Power Stem 
>>> . Two 
>>> models with different rises, FW30 and FW33. Silver and black. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3951.jpg][image: IMG_8699.jpg]
>>> [image: 9509351F-ECA4-46BC-B163-EF1580DF7A48-900x600.jpg][image: 
>>> IMG_8709.jpg]
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-26 at 8.15.08 PM.png]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Nitto 32F Rack weight limit?

[Zac Terrones]

Looks like a lot of the sites say 4.4lbs. Are they saying that just to be 
safe? Analog says 15lbs and if you're gonna go over to use a voile strap. 
Has anyone tested this? Anyone pushing that 4.4lb limit regularly? 

I want to throw a basket on it for grocery shopping. The soma rack I have 
now attaches to the lower fork mounts but because of the headtube angle the 
rack sits pretty far away from the headtube and a heavy load feels sloppy 
way out there. 

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[RBW] Re: English subtitles for Blue Lug's video

[Al in SF]

Masa,

Thank you so much for these translations! The bit about the Hillborne 
having healing properties at 59:15 cracked me up.

Al

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:26:58 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> This is my first post of 2023, I hope you are having good rides!
>
> Last month I happened to have an opportunity to make subtitles for Blue 
> Lug’s YouTube channel and now the “Rivendell Chart” video is English 
> subtitled!
>
> Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, When I finished watching 
> the video I felt that “oh this video should be shared with English speaking 
> Rivendell fans(means this "RBW Owners Bunch) too” so I started translating 
> the video briefly.
>
> Then I found someone commented that “Subtitles please!” and Blue Lug 
> replied “we’d love to but at the moment we are too busy so we need a help”. 
> I thought that “why don’t I do that?”
>
> It took me a week to complete subtitling between my work, playing with my 
> baby, feeding my baby, putting my baby to sleep, sleeping with my baby, 
> chatting with my wife and commuting by my Platypus.
>
> It was a really fun work to do related to not only the things I’m 
> passionate about which are languages and bicycles but also favourite people 
> who are Rivendell and Blue Lug!
>
> I would be very happy that if I could be a help for Rivendell and Blue 
> Lug. Ultimately I hope people who watch the subtitled video will find how 
> Rivendell bicycles are amazing even better than before, that would be 
> amazing.
>
> Link to the video↓
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA
>
> Masa
>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[Bill Lindsay]

I had a 56cm Bombadil, way back when.  I sold it in maybe 2015?  I don't 
remember who I sold it to, but I remember the price.  If the person who 
bought my Orange 56cm Bombadil wants to sell it back to me, I would be 
happy to discuss it

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

Here's one of the early build 
configurations: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5236885742/in/album-72157623611013487/


On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:42:11 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks for confirming JJ.
>
> I guess now is a good time to share that I have a new project brewing this 
> winter! 
>
> According to the seller he bought it new from Riv in 2016 which sounds off 
> given the details and the build but maybe it was an old demo, stashed 
> somewhere in the warehouse?
> Either way I'm beyond stoked about having found such a gem:
>
> [image: 322680578_5656479324459676_7415959924211071863_n.jpg]
>
> Here is the non-drive side decal:
>
> [image: bomba.jpg]
>
> I'll install Bullmoose bars, thumbies, racks and I'm considering new 
> tires. Still waiting for a few things I'll need for the (re)build.
> Photos will follow
>
> Max
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
> PA wrote:
>
>> Even more graphic variation - this from the original batch:
>>
>> [image: IMG_0341.JPG]
>>
>> and a closeup of the style from the .pdf
>>
>> [image: IMG_1599.JPG]
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how the Bombadil graphics on the decals changed over time. 
>>> Thanks for the link.
>>>
>>> [image: bomb1 (3).jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:14:07 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 Max, I think you have indeed had it all along! The creation date on the 
 PDF is Sep 9, 2010.

 On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:09:47 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks Marty! Interesting, I did find that one, I have the pdf... 
> maybe I've had it all along?
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20110708185319/http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/358/original_sept_9.pdf
>
> Max
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Peter Adler]

Not yet. I've gotten at least three email notifications this year that 
closure was imminent (*buy up now while you can*).

A note: On several occasions in the past year, John has posted sales with 
10%/15%/20% off all remaining items. The alleged discount does not appear 
online, but is supposed to be applied in the shopping basket at checkout. 
I've jumped in for two of these sales, and no general discount was applied 
to my shopping basket, using Safari 14/macOS. I don't know what browser his 
shopping mechanism is keyed to; I'm guessing it's Google Chrome. I don't 
know whether the discounted prices work with any browser at all.

I could have phoned him and complained about it, but it felt petty. I like 
the stuff I bought, but it still sticks in my craw that I paid more than I 
was promised. If I order any of the scraps, I think I'm just going to phone 
the order in.

Peter "aggressive shopping is a contact sport" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:16:50 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik 
closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Mackenzy Albright]

I really like the way the Skid Lid helmet looks! A bit reminiscent of the 
leather helmets. I wish that helmet design was a bit more diverse 
aesthetically. It's a bit lackluster the only major innovation in helmet 
tech has been the MIPS system. 

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:04:21 AM UTC-8 Jock Dewey wrote:

> In case any of you are new to Kurcharik, if there are woolies your size 
> snatch 'em up.
>
> I bought my first Kurcharik jersey in 2003 and twenty years later I'm 
> still wearing it in daily rotation. No visible wear save for some sunshine 
> fading on the backside. Otherwise looks brand new. Best deal ever!
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:20:42 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> I check regularly and all size S are gone nearly everywhere. Will miss 
>> these guys, they've been part of our consciousness for so many years. Great 
>> wool stuff at always reasonable prices. Good folks for sure.
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:42 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I am still or was until last week or so still getting "closeout sale" 
>>> emails from Kucharik; maybe they've finally shut down, but there were open 
>>> until very recently.
>>>
>>> Harth Huffman, on the Boblist, owns Wabi Woolens who make excellent 
>>> jerseys; better than Kucharik's IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 5:16 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik 
 closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022. 

 On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Try visiting Kucharick Bicycle Clothing. Going out of business sale !
> https://www.kucharik.com/
>
> I have bought some solid colored wool jerseys late last year from John 
> Kucharick. They are luxurious merino wool !
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> George — I do wish that there was more simple wool out there in nice 
>> solid colors and I think generally shorts are too long! 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Mackenzy Albright]

One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 

It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and relatively 
traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming meant more 
for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting lnger and 
more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the Bombadils in 
terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under the 
impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always from 
what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 

It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 

Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a hunqapillar 
and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back oriented 
designs? 

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:15:25 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. 
>
> Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee 
> shirt with that design. 
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:
>
>> Ill play along.  I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010.  Its my absolute 
>> favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized expedition i 
>> owned.  I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was selling when 
>> these first came out.  
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for 
>>> John's yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg]
>>> Max
>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?

 On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
> Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!
>
> [image: IMG_9161.jpg]
>
> Happy holidays,
> Vern in San Francisco
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 
> foolis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
>> associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It 
>> keeps 
>> up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like a 
>> swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq 
>> info 
>> flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to 
>> me. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered 
>>> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to 
>>> somebody else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the 
>>> remaining 
>>> 54CM from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more 
>>> ornate lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were 
>>> too 
>>> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the 
>>> less 
>>> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything 
>>> people 
>>> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
>>> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my 
>>> frame 
>>> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides surprisingly 
>>> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides 
>>> with 
>>> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
>>> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
>>> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would 
 only recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In 
 the 
 following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed 
 quite a 
 collection of Hunqapillar photos.  

 One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest 
 Hunqapillars have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the 
 sides but on some bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no 
 point 
 on some bikes and pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if 
 this 
 factor differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo 
 made 
 some, it seems like they did) ones.  

 The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  

 [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]

[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[Eric Marth]

Very cool, Max!

Thanks for the pdf, too 

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:56:36 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Sweet Max. Congratulations on the Bombadil. What size is it? Can't wait to 
> see how you dress it up!
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a set of silver Paul thumbies lying around unused?
>>
>> I'm also interested in a pair of used Paul Love Levers 2.5 (switching 
>> brakes to Minimoto's), otherwise I might end up installing the black ones I 
>> have on another bike for now.
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:42:11 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for confirming JJ.
>>>
>>> I guess now is a good time to share that I have a new project brewing 
>>> this winter! 
>>>
>>> According to the seller he bought it new from Riv in 2016 which sounds 
>>> off given the details and the build but maybe it was an old demo, stashed 
>>> somewhere in the warehouse?
>>> Either way I'm beyond stoked about having found such a gem:
>>>
>>> [image: 322680578_5656479324459676_7415959924211071863_n.jpg]
>>>
>>> Here is the non-drive side decal:
>>>
>>> [image: bomba.jpg]
>>>
>>> I'll install Bullmoose bars, thumbies, racks and I'm considering new 
>>> tires. Still waiting for a few things I'll need for the (re)build.
>>> Photos will follow
>>>
>>> Max
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 Even more graphic variation - this from the original batch:

 [image: IMG_0341.JPG]

 and a closeup of the style from the .pdf

 [image: IMG_1599.JPG]

 On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Interesting how the Bombadil graphics on the decals changed over time. 
> Thanks for the link.
>
> [image: bomb1 (3).jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:14:07 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Max, I think you have indeed had it all along! The creation date on 
>> the PDF is Sep 9, 2010.
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:09:47 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Marty! Interesting, I did find that one, I have the pdf... 
>>> maybe I've had it all along?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20110708185319/http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/358/original_sept_9.pdf
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno catnip

[JohnS]

Thank you Doug. I think that was the only blug post that I didn't look at 
the other day.

JohnS

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I want one with Bullmoose bars and cantilevers, in purple of course. Need 
> is a different matter...
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:03:07 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> John,
>> There is one on the linked blog below. You'll need to scroll a bit to 
>> find the photo. Note that the fork is mismatched. 
>> Blog 
>> 
>> Doug
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:50:53 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Does any one have a link to a picture of a fully built Roaduno? I was 
>>> looking for one the other day and the closest I could find was the pics of 
>>> the three frames without paint. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 mark e wrote:
>>>
 I am excited to see the Uno in purple. 

 On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> From Will's email update today:
> September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and dark 
> gold).
>
> That's good news!
>
> Roaduno dreaming,
>
> Edwin
>


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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[J J]

Sweet Max. Congratulations on the Bombadil. What size is it? Can't wait to 
see how you dress it up!

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Does anyone have a set of silver Paul thumbies lying around unused?
>
> I'm also interested in a pair of used Paul Love Levers 2.5 (switching 
> brakes to Minimoto's), otherwise I might end up installing the black ones I 
> have on another bike for now.
>
> Max
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:42:11 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks for confirming JJ.
>>
>> I guess now is a good time to share that I have a new project brewing 
>> this winter! 
>>
>> According to the seller he bought it new from Riv in 2016 which sounds 
>> off given the details and the build but maybe it was an old demo, stashed 
>> somewhere in the warehouse?
>> Either way I'm beyond stoked about having found such a gem:
>>
>> [image: 322680578_5656479324459676_7415959924211071863_n.jpg]
>>
>> Here is the non-drive side decal:
>>
>> [image: bomba.jpg]
>>
>> I'll install Bullmoose bars, thumbies, racks and I'm considering new 
>> tires. Still waiting for a few things I'll need for the (re)build.
>> Photos will follow
>>
>> Max
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> Even more graphic variation - this from the original batch:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0341.JPG]
>>>
>>> and a closeup of the style from the .pdf
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1599.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Interesting how the Bombadil graphics on the decals changed over time. 
 Thanks for the link.

 [image: bomb1 (3).jpg]

 Laing

 On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:14:07 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Max, I think you have indeed had it all along! The creation date on 
> the PDF is Sep 9, 2010.
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:09:47 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Marty! Interesting, I did find that one, I have the pdf... 
>> maybe I've had it all along?
>>
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20110708185319/http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/358/original_sept_9.pdf
>>
>> Max
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[maxcr]

Does anyone have a set of silver Paul thumbies lying around unused?

I'm also interested in a pair of used Paul Love Levers 2.5 (switching 
brakes to Minimoto's), otherwise I might end up installing the black ones I 
have on another bike for now.

Max

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:42:11 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks for confirming JJ.
>
> I guess now is a good time to share that I have a new project brewing this 
> winter! 
>
> According to the seller he bought it new from Riv in 2016 which sounds off 
> given the details and the build but maybe it was an old demo, stashed 
> somewhere in the warehouse?
> Either way I'm beyond stoked about having found such a gem:
>
> [image: 322680578_5656479324459676_7415959924211071863_n.jpg]
>
> Here is the non-drive side decal:
>
> [image: bomba.jpg]
>
> I'll install Bullmoose bars, thumbies, racks and I'm considering new 
> tires. Still waiting for a few things I'll need for the (re)build.
> Photos will follow
>
> Max
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
> PA wrote:
>
>> Even more graphic variation - this from the original batch:
>>
>> [image: IMG_0341.JPG]
>>
>> and a closeup of the style from the .pdf
>>
>> [image: IMG_1599.JPG]
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how the Bombadil graphics on the decals changed over time. 
>>> Thanks for the link.
>>>
>>> [image: bomb1 (3).jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:14:07 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 Max, I think you have indeed had it all along! The creation date on the 
 PDF is Sep 9, 2010.

 On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:09:47 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks Marty! Interesting, I did find that one, I have the pdf... 
> maybe I've had it all along?
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20110708185319/http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/358/original_sept_9.pdf
>
> Max
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: English subtitles for Blue Lug's video

[Leah Peterson]

Masa, ありがとうございます！(This is according to my 16 year old son, who is self-taught, so forgive us if it is incorrect.)LeahOn Feb 3, 2023, at 12:08 PM, James M  wrote:Thank you, thank you, thank you!  These Blue Lug videos are so good, I actually watched a bunch of this one, not understanding a bit of Japanese :)On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:22:16 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Masa, you are a gem! I cannot WAIT to sit down and watch the videos and read your subtitles. Commuting by Platypus, being a wonderful father and making your Riv friends subtitled videos…you are a saint! ♥️ I will ask my son how to say thank you in Japanese when he gets home from school. For now, thanks in English!LeahOn Friday, February 3, 2023 at 7:26:58 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:Hello all!This is my first post of 2023, I hope you are having good rides!Last month I happened to have an opportunity to make subtitles for Blue Lug’s YouTube channel and now the “Rivendell Chart” video is English subtitled!Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, When I finished watching the video I felt that “oh this video should be shared with English speaking Rivendell fans(means this "RBW Owners Bunch) too” so I started translating the video briefly.Then I found someone commented that “Subtitles please!” and Blue Lug replied “we’d love to but at the moment we are too busy so we need a help”. I thought that “why don’t I do that?”It took me a week to complete subtitling between my work, playing with my baby, feeding my baby, putting my baby to sleep, sleeping with my baby, chatting with my wife and commuting by my Platypus.It was a really fun work to do related to not only the things I’m passionate about which are languages and bicycles but also favourite people who are Rivendell and Blue Lug!I would be very happy that if I could be a help for Rivendell and Blue Lug. Ultimately I hope people who watch the subtitled video will find how Rivendell bicycles are amazing even better than before, that would be amazing.Link to the video↓https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKAMasa



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[RBW] Re: WTB Albatross Bar, NYC area

[Stephen]

Hey thanks for checking Justin! I'll let you know if I change my mind.

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:47:10 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> Sounds like the Albatrosses currently housed on a Clem, so not available 
> at the moment. Let me know if you change your mind about the Boscos!
>
> J. 
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:36:53 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> JS - Yeah, Mass would be a stretch and I figured shipping would cost more 
>> than its worth for used bars. Thanks for reaching out.
>>
>> Justin - Hey that'd be great if the albatross end up being available. 
>> There's someone else local checking their parts bin today for me. I'm a bit 
>> dead set on going albatross, bosco's would sweep back a little too much I 
>> think and id miss that little forward bend of the albas.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:54:34 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
>> NY) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>
>>> I'm in Brooklyn and may have a pair. But i think I loaned them to a 
>>> friend. Let me see if he's still using them. If not, they're yours. 
>>>
>>> I def have a pair of CroMo Boscos that are the same width (55cm), just a 
>>> little more rise and uprightedness. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Stephen, I an in Massachusetts so a bit far.  I have the cro mo version 
 I am no longer using.  Shipping is a bit high on a box to fit (if I could 
 find one). 

 On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:17:52 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Been wanting to switch to less wide bar for city riding, anybody local 
> have one they might like to sell? Thought Id check before I eventually 
> end 
> up ordering from riv.
>
> Thanks for lookin!
>
> Stephen
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[RBW] Re: Susie Lugged

[Wesley]

It's always cool to see the updated frame schedule. Those purple plattys 
are gonna be amazing!

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:00:47 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am excited to see CLEMs' coming out later this year or least to be 
> determined; completes and frames. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 4:53:00 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I like those dark-gold Homers...and possibly a dark-gold Road Uno in 2023?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:12:59 PM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed the lugged susie too! Wonder how it will look, Ive been 
>>> resisting the temptation for the dark gold Susies so far but my brain keeps 
>>> circling back to them.. I keep toying with the idea of letting my Joe go to 
>>> get a susie.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:23:47 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 What about purple Roadunos in September?

 Laing

 On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:13:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What you say?? I say! The Riv email newsletter says there's something 
> called Susie Lugged in dark gold coming June 2023. Well ok! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>


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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[J J]

Max, I think you have indeed had it all along! The creation date on the PDF 
is Sep 9, 2010.

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:09:47 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks Marty! Interesting, I did find that one, I have the pdf... maybe 
> I've had it all along?
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20110708185319/http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/358/original_sept_9.pdf
>
> Max
>
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[maxcr]

Thanks Marty! Interesting, I did find that one, I have the pdf... maybe 
I've had it all along?

https://web.archive.org/web/20110708185319/http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/358/original_sept_9.pdf

Max

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Jock Dewey]

In case any of you are new to Kurcharik, if there are woolies your size 
snatch 'em up.

I bought my first Kurcharik jersey in 2003 and twenty years later I'm still 
wearing it in daily rotation. No visible wear save for some sunshine fading 
on the backside. Otherwise looks brand new. Best deal ever!



On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:20:42 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> I check regularly and all size S are gone nearly everywhere. Will miss 
> these guys, they've been part of our consciousness for so many years. Great 
> wool stuff at always reasonable prices. Good folks for sure.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:42 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I am still or was until last week or so still getting "closeout sale" 
>> emails from Kucharik; maybe they've finally shut down, but there were open 
>> until very recently.
>>
>> Harth Huffman, on the Boblist, owns Wabi Woolens who make excellent 
>> jerseys; better than Kucharik's IMO.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 5:16 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik 
>>> closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric,

 Try visiting Kucharick Bicycle Clothing. Going out of business sale !
 https://www.kucharik.com/

 I have bought some solid colored wool jerseys late last year from John 
 Kucharick. They are luxurious merino wool !

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA.

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> George — I do wish that there was more simple wool out there in nice 
> solid colors and I think generally shorts are too long! 
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[Eric Marth]

Good gravy, Marty how is it that you even have this hyper downsampled set 
of images at all? 

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:22:43 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> Not good enough to read, but in case this jogs anyone's memory, I think 
> this is the one you are looking for?
>
> Marty
> [image: original_sept_9.jpeg]
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:03:59 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Eric, much appreciated.
>>
>> Still looking for that other pdf if someone has it!
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:20:00 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Closet thing I can find, Max, is the announcement in Riv Reader number 
>>> 41, starting on page 6. 
>>>
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/RR41.pdf
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone have a copy of the pdf referenced here:

 http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/index.html

 From Riv Sept, 2010

 Filename: rbw_090910_bombadil.pdf

 Thanks!
 Max

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[John Dewey]

I check regularly and all size S are gone nearly everywhere. Will miss
these guys, they've been part of our consciousness for so many years. Great
wool stuff at always reasonable prices. Good folks for sure.

BEST / Jock Dewey

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:42 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I am still or was until last week or so still getting "closeout sale"
> emails from Kucharik; maybe they've finally shut down, but there were open
> until very recently.
>
> Harth Huffman, on the Boblist, owns Wabi Woolens who make excellent
> jerseys; better than Kucharik's IMO.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 5:16 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik
>> closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> Try visiting Kucharick Bicycle Clothing. Going out of business sale !
>>> https://www.kucharik.com/
>>>
>>> I have bought some solid colored wool jerseys late last year from John
>>> Kucharick. They are luxurious merino wool !
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 George — I do wish that there was more simple wool out there in nice
 solid colors and I think generally shorts are too long!

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[RBW] Re: English subtitles for Blue Lug's video

[James M]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!  These Blue Lug videos are so good, I 
actually watched a bunch of this one, not understanding a bit of Japanese :)

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:22:16 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Masa, you are a gem! I cannot WAIT to sit down and watch the videos and 
> read your subtitles. Commuting by Platypus, being a wonderful father and 
> making your Riv friends subtitled videos…you are a saint! ♥️ I will ask my 
> son how to say thank you in Japanese when he gets home from school. For 
> now, thanks in English!
> Leah
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 7:26:58 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hello all!
>>
>> This is my first post of 2023, I hope you are having good rides!
>>
>> Last month I happened to have an opportunity to make subtitles for Blue 
>> Lug’s YouTube channel and now the “Rivendell Chart” video is English 
>> subtitled!
>>
>> Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, When I finished watching 
>> the video I felt that “oh this video should be shared with English speaking 
>> Rivendell fans(means this "RBW Owners Bunch) too” so I started translating 
>> the video briefly.
>>
>> Then I found someone commented that “Subtitles please!” and Blue Lug 
>> replied “we’d love to but at the moment we are too busy so we need a help”. 
>> I thought that “why don’t I do that?”
>>
>> It took me a week to complete subtitling between my work, playing with my 
>> baby, feeding my baby, putting my baby to sleep, sleeping with my baby, 
>> chatting with my wife and commuting by my Platypus.
>>
>> It was a really fun work to do related to not only the things I’m 
>> passionate about which are languages and bicycles but also favourite people 
>> who are Rivendell and Blue Lug!
>>
>> I would be very happy that if I could be a help for Rivendell and Blue 
>> Lug. Ultimately I hope people who watch the subtitled video will find how 
>> Rivendell bicycles are amazing even better than before, that would be 
>> amazing.
>>
>> Link to the video↓
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA
>>
>> Masa
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Albatross Bar, NYC area

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

Sounds like the Albatrosses currently housed on a Clem, so not available at 
the moment. Let me know if you change your mind about the Boscos!

J. 

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:36:53 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> JS - Yeah, Mass would be a stretch and I figured shipping would cost more 
> than its worth for used bars. Thanks for reaching out.
>
> Justin - Hey that'd be great if the albatross end up being available. 
> There's someone else local checking their parts bin today for me. I'm a bit 
> dead set on going albatross, bosco's would sweep back a little too much I 
> think and id miss that little forward bend of the albas.
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:54:34 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
> NY) wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>> I'm in Brooklyn and may have a pair. But i think I loaned them to a 
>> friend. Let me see if he's still using them. If not, they're yours. 
>>
>> I def have a pair of CroMo Boscos that are the same width (55cm), just a 
>> little more rise and uprightedness. 
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen, I an in Massachusetts so a bit far.  I have the cro mo version 
>>> I am no longer using.  Shipping is a bit high on a box to fit (if I could 
>>> find one). 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:17:52 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Been wanting to switch to less wide bar for city riding, anybody local 
 have one they might like to sell? Thought Id check before I eventually end 
 up ordering from riv.

 Thanks for lookin!

 Stephen

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Patrick Moore]

He was prolific on the old rec.bicycles.tec site and had very
engineering-based opinions on just about every bike subject, which he
expressed loudly and often and agressively. Whoever maintains the Sheldon
Brown/Harris Cyclery website put together a Jobst page, very interesting:
https://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 7:03 AM Richard Rose  wrote:

> I have little to add to this discussion, except this; he was an engineer,
> correct? So whatever he would be riding & his reasoning would definitely be
> interesting.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Patrick Moore]

I am still or was until last week or so still getting "closeout sale"
emails from Kucharik; maybe they've finally shut down, but there were open
until very recently.

Harth Huffman, on the Boblist, owns Wabi Woolens who make excellent
jerseys; better than Kucharik's IMO.


On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 5:16 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik
> closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022.
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Try visiting Kucharick Bicycle Clothing. Going out of business sale !
>> https://www.kucharik.com/
>>
>> I have bought some solid colored wool jerseys late last year from John
>> Kucharick. They are luxurious merino wool !
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> George — I do wish that there was more simple wool out there in nice
>>> solid colors and I think generally shorts are too long!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Woolrich CPO Shirt Jacket

[Dave Grossman]

SOLD

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 8:20:28 AM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Now $50 shipped
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:23:12 AM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> Dropping this to $60 shipped
>>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 1:57:48 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> I have been using this a late Fall/early winter riding piece for a while 
>>> but I recently bought an Empire Wool and Canvas pullover and this is just 
>>> sitting.  
>>>
>>> The sizing is worn out but it is an XL.  I have worn it with a hoodie 
>>> underneath as well. 
>>>
>>> Pics are in the album
>>>
>>> Asking $75 Shipped CONUS
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/T1Bmu55ritsWLCAR8
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Michael Ullmer]

That Double Joe is the same one that was offered on this list a while back 
that I nearly snatched up. Glad to see it for sale again, still tempted by 
it!

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:03:19 AM UTC-6 JohnS wrote:

> A double Joe on e-bay, too bad about the fork, says the frame is ok, my 
> size, but I'm not interested in the couplers, hope the link works...
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/195580791334?hash=item2d89860a26:g:8xQAAOSwFcVj2rdv=enc%3AAQAHoJv5UDIf9dDzr79gBBXMhsE8B9HpZo%2Fqge9EDALLRrwXxaXDKk2Bx8qCfNa63hWX%2FNheZOQ6pKAiAOeEbRkMvVYBgpQgArMvYyJsXr382Y9%2BFgsiT%2FVZ7onThJP1Pm8JDrnCDiSCxq6%2F9XGMPv8JKadJzDe2jwKQX5HJiqyVfqBIDaIvo5CKIjNLW0RTcUaiZyv61SKTspQaaBv9FWZdBuQ%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9jBhK3CYQ
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 9:38:48 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> That was snapped up fast!. Reynold decal on fork leads me to believe it's 
>> an early Waterford Road or LL
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 12:34:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Epic custom!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:12:32 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not sure the condition under the dirt, but looks like good value for a 
 custom Riv if you are in the San Jose area. Heck, could sell those tower 
 bars and nitto, clean and relist if you don't like it.

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-waterford-built-rivendell/7583922987.html[image:
  
 00d0d_a7kqoWQLvI0_0CI0lM_1200x900.jpeg]

 On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:20:25 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Looks like a price drop on the 60cm Hillborne in Vienna. 
>
> [image: 325914195_6538259239522205_455293595224308313_n.jpg]
>
> Sam Hillborne
> 60cm
> $1,850
> Vienna, Virginia 
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/562587362592331/
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>
>> And I’m selling my beautiful Sam in San Mateo.  $2100 
>> Pedals and saddle not included. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 5:57 PM Eliot Balogh  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There’s a beautiful Ram in Ft Lauderdale
>>>
>>>
>>> https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik/d/fort-lauderdale-2007-rivendell/7572481687.html
>>>
>>>
>>> And this Sam in Atlanta
>>>
>>>
>>> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/d/decatur-rivendell-hillborne-blue-and/7565756188.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I would have jumped on one if I wasn’t Atlantis hunting. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Kim Hetzel]

Eric,

John Kucharick mentioned in an email to me that he's considering shutting
down his website at the end of March.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023, 4:16 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik
> closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022.
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Try visiting Kucharick Bicycle Clothing. Going out of business sale !
>> https://www.kucharik.com/
>>
>> I have bought some solid colored wool jerseys late last year from John
>> Kucharick. They are luxurious merino wool !
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> George — I do wish that there was more simple wool out there in nice
>>> solid colors and I think generally shorts are too long!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
>> Interesting discussion topic, Andrew. I picture Jobst today on a bike
 very similar to what he ran most of his life. Steel frame, no racks, rim
 brakes. Maybe a frame that would accommodate wider tires.

 Here's a picture of Jobst from his last Alpine tour in 2008 (read more
 here
 
 ).

 [image: xnemj6.jpg]

 I'm not sure what make of frames he was riding in this era. But after
 50 years of touring thousands of miles every summer in Italy, Switzerland
 and France (in addition to the long rides in California) I can't see him
 switching up and running racks or a rando build. He was famously ornery and
 I think he had his system right where he wanted it. He'd tour with a
 Carradice and stayed in hotels along the way (many with friends and
 families he'd met in the 1950s).

 As for frame material, this is of course a guess, but I'd wager he'd
 stick with steel. He rode well into the carbon era. As Tom shared in the
 Radavist article today Brandt would get a new frame every few years,
 worried about damage or fractures. He chose yellow paint for his bikes
 because he thought it was the best for highlighting damage. I could see his
 familiarity with steel keeping him on steel frames. And I could see the
 possibility of catastrophic failure keeping him from carbon.

 Regarding helmets, I don't think Brandt ever wore one. He probably
 shared an explanation for this back on rec.bicycles.tech but that's way
 before my time.

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> True.  I remember those days.  The most you see in one or two of those
> photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks
> like he has a mountaineering helmet.  Another thing I notice is much
> shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler
> wrote:
>
>> Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available.
>> During Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a
>>> helmet.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5
>>> andyree...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a
 nod to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier 
 gearing. As
 a result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you 
 spliced
 his timeline and moved his prime days to current day.

 Today's Radavist
 
  article
 really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who
 likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s).

 What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see
 a lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for
 performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando 
 build?

 Take it away if you wish,
 Andrew

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno catnip

[lconley]

I want one with Bullmoose bars and cantilevers, in purple of course. Need 
is a different matter...

Laing

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:03:07 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> John,
> There is one on the linked blog below. You'll need to scroll a bit to find 
> the photo. Note that the fork is mismatched. 
> Blog 
> 
> Doug
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:50:53 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Does any one have a link to a picture of a fully built Roaduno? I was 
>> looking for one the other day and the closest I could find was the pics of 
>> the three frames without paint. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 mark e wrote:
>>
>>> I am excited to see the Uno in purple. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 From Will's email update today:
 September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and dark 
 gold).

 That's good news!

 Roaduno dreaming,

 Edwin

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno catnip

[Doug H.]

John,
There is one on the linked blog below. You'll need to scroll a bit to find 
the photo. Note that the fork is mismatched. 
Blog 

Doug
On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:50:53 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Does any one have a link to a picture of a fully built Roaduno? I was 
> looking for one the other day and the closest I could find was the pics of 
> the three frames without paint. 
>
> Thanks!
> JohnS
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 mark e wrote:
>
>> I am excited to see the Uno in purple. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> From Will's email update today:
>>> September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and dark 
>>> gold).
>>>
>>> That's good news!
>>>
>>> Roaduno dreaming,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno catnip

[JohnS]

Does any one have a link to a picture of a fully built Roaduno? I was 
looking for one the other day and the closest I could find was the pics of 
the three frames without paint. 

Thanks!
JohnS

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 mark e wrote:

> I am excited to see the Uno in purple. 
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> From Will's email update today:
>> September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and dark gold).
>>
>> That's good news!
>>
>> Roaduno dreaming,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Albatross Bar, NYC area

[Stephen]

JS - Yeah, Mass would be a stretch and I figured shipping would cost more 
than its worth for used bars. Thanks for reaching out.

Justin - Hey that'd be great if the albatross end up being available. 
There's someone else local checking their parts bin today for me. I'm a bit 
dead set on going albatross, bosco's would sweep back a little too much I 
think and id miss that little forward bend of the albas.



On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:54:34 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> I'm in Brooklyn and may have a pair. But i think I loaned them to a 
> friend. Let me see if he's still using them. If not, they're yours. 
>
> I def have a pair of CroMo Boscos that are the same width (55cm), just a 
> little more rise and uprightedness. 
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Stephen, I an in Massachusetts so a bit far.  I have the cro mo version I 
>> am no longer using.  Shipping is a bit high on a box to fit (if I could 
>> find one). 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:17:52 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Been wanting to switch to less wide bar for city riding, anybody local 
>>> have one they might like to sell? Thought Id check before I eventually end 
>>> up ordering from riv.
>>>
>>> Thanks for lookin!
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[George Schick]

Ditto on the Skid Lid.  Never used it much, though, before the industry 
started to make some half way decent helmets - the ones with the thin 
plastic shell, lots of dense foam padding, and plenty of vents. Then again, 
I've been off and on when it comes to helmets over the past 50+ years of 
cycling (currently "off"). 

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I also had a Skid Lid in their largest size, as the sizes git smaller they 
> had more padding, same size shell for all. When they didn’t pass one iof 
> the safety tests my local shop gave us discounts on Bell V1 Pros if we 
> turned in the Skid Lid. This was late ‘70’s.  Steve
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 1:33 PM lconley  wrote:
>
>> My 1st helmet was a yellow Skid Lid to match my Yellow Paramount.
>>
>> [image: Skid Lid.JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:56:16 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> George,
>>>
>>> I, too, remember well those days. I use to own one of those "leather 
>>> hair nets". Then I graduated to a first issue Bell helmet. I wore and short 
>>> wool cycling shorts with a natural chamois insert.  Still love my wool 
>>> jerseys, arm and leg warmers, especially here in the Pacific Northwest. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 True.  I remember those days.  The most you see in one or two of those 
 photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks 
 like he has a mountaineering helmet.  Another thing I notice is much 
 shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch.


 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available. 
> During Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley  wrote:
>
>> One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a 
>> helmet.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5 
>> andyree...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a 
>>> nod to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. 
>>> As 
>>> a result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you 
>>> spliced 
>>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>>>
>>> Today's Radavist 
>>> 
>>>  article 
>>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
>>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>>>
>>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a 
>>> lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
>>> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando 
>>> build?  
>>>
>>> Take it away if you wish, 
>>> Andrew
>>>
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[RBW] Re: English subtitles for Blue Lug's video

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Masa, you are a gem! I cannot WAIT to sit down and watch the videos and 
read your subtitles. Commuting by Platypus, being a wonderful father and 
making your Riv friends subtitled videos…you are a saint! ♥️ I will ask my 
son how to say thank you in Japanese when he gets home from school. For 
now, thanks in English!
Leah

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 7:26:58 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> This is my first post of 2023, I hope you are having good rides!
>
> Last month I happened to have an opportunity to make subtitles for Blue 
> Lug’s YouTube channel and now the “Rivendell Chart” video is English 
> subtitled!
>
> Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, When I finished watching 
> the video I felt that “oh this video should be shared with English speaking 
> Rivendell fans(means this "RBW Owners Bunch) too” so I started translating 
> the video briefly.
>
> Then I found someone commented that “Subtitles please!” and Blue Lug 
> replied “we’d love to but at the moment we are too busy so we need a help”. 
> I thought that “why don’t I do that?”
>
> It took me a week to complete subtitling between my work, playing with my 
> baby, feeding my baby, putting my baby to sleep, sleeping with my baby, 
> chatting with my wife and commuting by my Platypus.
>
> It was a really fun work to do related to not only the things I’m 
> passionate about which are languages and bicycles but also favourite people 
> who are Rivendell and Blue Lug!
>
> I would be very happy that if I could be a help for Rivendell and Blue 
> Lug. Ultimately I hope people who watch the subtitled video will find how 
> Rivendell bicycles are amazing even better than before, that would be 
> amazing.
>
> Link to the video↓
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA
>
> Masa
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Re: [RBW] Re: English subtitles for Blue Lug's video

[Tom Goodmann]

Thank you so much, Masa! Watching this (along with "Cycle Around Japan" 
episodes) makes me want to go there and ride a great Japanese bike around 
the islands.

Tom

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:05:05 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:

> This is great! 
>
> I have watched several Blue Lug videos in Japanese, and while soothing and 
> delightful, I am always grateful for those that are subtitled.
>
> Here’s to Masa, and bilingual bicycling! 
> k.
>
> On Feb 3, 2023, at 5:10 AM, J  wrote:
>
> Great work on the Subtitles!
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 7:26:58 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hello all!
>>
>> This is my first post of 2023, I hope you are having good rides!
>>
>> Last month I happened to have an opportunity to make subtitles for Blue 
>> Lug’s YouTube channel and now the “Rivendell Chart” video is English 
>> subtitled!
>>
>> Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, When I finished watching 
>> the video I felt that “oh this video should be shared with English speaking 
>> Rivendell fans(means this "RBW Owners Bunch) too” so I started translating 
>> the video briefly.
>>
>> Then I found someone commented that “Subtitles please!” and Blue Lug 
>> replied “we’d love to but at the moment we are too busy so we need a help”. 
>> I thought that “why don’t I do that?”
>>
>> It took me a week to complete subtitling between my work, playing with my 
>> baby, feeding my baby, putting my baby to sleep, sleeping with my baby, 
>> chatting with my wife and commuting by my Platypus.
>>
>> It was a really fun work to do related to not only the things I’m 
>> passionate about which are languages and bicycles but also favourite people 
>> who are Rivendell and Blue Lug!
>>
>> I would be very happy that if I could be a help for Rivendell and Blue 
>> Lug. Ultimately I hope people who watch the subtitled video will find how 
>> Rivendell bicycles are amazing even better than before, that would be 
>> amazing.
>>
>> Link to the video↓
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA
>>
>> Masa
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: English subtitles for Blue Lug's video

[Keith Paugh]

This is great! I have watched several Blue Lug videos in Japanese, and while soothing and delightful, I am always grateful for those that are subtitled.Here’s to Masa, and bilingual bicycling! k.On Feb 3, 2023, at 5:10 AM, J  wrote:Great work on the Subtitles!On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 7:26:58 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:Hello all!This is my first post of 2023, I hope you are having good rides!Last month I happened to have an opportunity to make subtitles for Blue Lug’s YouTube channel and now the “Rivendell Chart” video is English subtitled!Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, When I finished watching the video I felt that “oh this video should be shared with English speaking Rivendell fans(means this "RBW Owners Bunch) too” so I started translating the video briefly.Then I found someone commented that “Subtitles please!” and Blue Lug replied “we’d love to but at the moment we are too busy so we need a help”. I thought that “why don’t I do that?”It took me a week to complete subtitling between my work, playing with my baby, feeding my baby, putting my baby to sleep, sleeping with my baby, chatting with my wife and commuting by my Platypus.It was a really fun work to do related to not only the things I’m passionate about which are languages and bicycles but also favourite people who are Rivendell and Blue Lug!I would be very happy that if I could be a help for Rivendell and Blue Lug. Ultimately I hope people who watch the subtitled video will find how Rivendell bicycles are amazing even better than before, that would be amazing.Link to the video↓https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKAMasa



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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[maxcr]

Thanks Eric, much appreciated.

Still looking for that other pdf if someone has it!

Max

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:20:00 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Closet thing I can find, Max, is the announcement in Riv Reader number 41, 
> starting on page 6. 
>
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/RR41.pdf
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a copy of the pdf referenced here:
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/index.html
>>
>> From Riv Sept, 2010
>>
>> Filename: rbw_090910_bombadil.pdf
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Max
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Albatross Bar, NYC area

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

Hi Stephen,

I'm in Brooklyn and may have a pair. But i think I loaned them to a friend. 
Let me see if he's still using them. If not, they're yours. 

I def have a pair of CroMo Boscos that are the same width (55cm), just a 
little more rise and uprightedness. 

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Stephen, I an in Massachusetts so a bit far.  I have the cro mo version I 
> am no longer using.  Shipping is a bit high on a box to fit (if I could 
> find one). 
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:17:52 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Been wanting to switch to less wide bar for city riding, anybody local 
>> have one they might like to sell? Thought Id check before I eventually end 
>> up ordering from riv.
>>
>> Thanks for lookin!
>>
>> Stephen
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Steven Sweedler]

I also had a Skid Lid in their largest size, as the sizes git smaller they
had more padding, same size shell for all. When they didn’t pass one iof
the safety tests my local shop gave us discounts on Bell V1 Pros if we
turned in the Skid Lid. This was late ‘70’s.  Steve

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 1:33 PM lconley  wrote:

> My 1st helmet was a yellow Skid Lid to match my Yellow Paramount.
>
> [image: Skid Lid.JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:56:16 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> George,
>>
>> I, too, remember well those days. I use to own one of those "leather hair
>> nets". Then I graduated to a first issue Bell helmet. I wore and short wool
>> cycling shorts with a natural chamois insert.  Still love my wool jerseys,
>> arm and leg warmers, especially here in the Pacific Northwest.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> True.  I remember those days.  The most you see in one or two of those
>>> photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks
>>> like he has a mountaineering helmet.  Another thing I notice is much
>>> shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available.
 During Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve

 On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley  wrote:

> One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a helmet.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod
>> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a
>> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced
>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day.
>>
>> Today's Radavist
>> 
>>  article
>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who
>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s).
>>
>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a
>> lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for
>> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?
>>
>> Take it away if you wish,
>> Andrew
>>
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[RBW] Update: FS Road Holland jerseys, medium size

[Ed Felker]

I have two of these remaining for sale, one short sleeve light blue/gray
and one short sleeve red. The link for photos is below.

Ed Felker
Washington, DC

On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 6:23 PM Ed Felker  wrote:

> My closet cleanout continues! Here are six lightly used Road Holland wool
> blend jersies, four short sleeve and two long sleeve. All are in good shape
> with no exterior or interior staining. Fenders really pay off in keeping
> jersies looking good.
>
> Photos here:
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1K2tqZIa4sWtLt-wjvSHXcF_s0OeTLGsN
>
> Price: $30 each plus flat rate shipping of $10 via USPS or UPS. Multiple
> item orders get priority.
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno catnip

['mark etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am excited to see the Uno in purple. 

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> From Will's email update today:
> September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and dark gold).
>
> That's good news!
>
> Roaduno dreaming,
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Richard Rose]

I have little to add to this discussion, except this; he was an engineer, correct? So whatever he would be riding & his reasoning would definitely be interesting.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Mackenzy Albright  wrote:Haha! Touché Eric. I feel like Brandt falls into the heros of the retrogrouch. Grant, Sheldon Brown, Rando Jan (not to be confused with Business Jan)Id love to hear a considerate counterpoint from somebody that says he'd be on a 54mm tire carbon open...On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:59:44 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:The Riv list imagining Jobst riding a steel frame with rim brakes? Shocking!EricOn Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 7:37 PM Philip Williamson  wrote:I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 years. Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still tough, reliable, and cheap. Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to dive into The Jobst Hole to find out. Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake. Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan debate the testing protocol.Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the two times a day he'd shift. Yellow. Philip rec.bicycles.techOn Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle, riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name alive!On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals. But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he be riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of titanium frame.I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.LaingOn Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech that we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a bit of a retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily on his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride whatever it is to the ground though. On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:Andrew,Thank you for sharing.  The article was definitely worth the read.  A few things stood out to me:- they were/are all extremely fit.- fear was not a word in their vocabulary.- what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time.- the Higgins' couple rock.  Of course the stoker is doing all the work ;)JeffClaremont, CA(who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work)On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. Today's Radavist article really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  Take it away if you wish, Andrew



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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[lconley]

My 1st helmet was a yellow Skid Lid to match my Yellow Paramount.

[image: Skid Lid.JPG]

Laing

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:56:16 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> George,
>
> I, too, remember well those days. I use to own one of those "leather hair 
> nets". Then I graduated to a first issue Bell helmet. I wore and short wool 
> cycling shorts with a natural chamois insert.  Still love my wool jerseys, 
> arm and leg warmers, especially here in the Pacific Northwest. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> True.  I remember those days.  The most you see in one or two of those 
>> photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks 
>> like he has a mountaineering helmet.  Another thing I notice is much 
>> shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available. During 
>>> Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley  wrote:
>>>
 One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a helmet.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod 
> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>
> Today's Radavist 
> 
>  article 
> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>
> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a 
> lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  
>
> Take it away if you wish, 
> Andrew
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Albatross Bar, NYC area

[J S]

Stephen, I an in Massachusetts so a bit far.  I have the cro mo version I 
am no longer using.  Shipping is a bit high on a box to fit (if I could 
find one). 

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:17:52 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Been wanting to switch to less wide bar for city riding, anybody local 
> have one they might like to sell? Thought Id check before I eventually end 
> up ordering from riv.
>
> Thanks for lookin!
>
> Stephen
>

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[RBW] Re: English subtitles for Blue Lug's video

[J]

Great work on the Subtitles!

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 7:26:58 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> This is my first post of 2023, I hope you are having good rides!
>
> Last month I happened to have an opportunity to make subtitles for Blue 
> Lug’s YouTube channel and now the “Rivendell Chart” video is English 
> subtitled!
>
> Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, When I finished watching 
> the video I felt that “oh this video should be shared with English speaking 
> Rivendell fans(means this "RBW Owners Bunch) too” so I started translating 
> the video briefly.
>
> Then I found someone commented that “Subtitles please!” and Blue Lug 
> replied “we’d love to but at the moment we are too busy so we need a help”. 
> I thought that “why don’t I do that?”
>
> It took me a week to complete subtitling between my work, playing with my 
> baby, feeding my baby, putting my baby to sleep, sleeping with my baby, 
> chatting with my wife and commuting by my Platypus.
>
> It was a really fun work to do related to not only the things I’m 
> passionate about which are languages and bicycles but also favourite people 
> who are Rivendell and Blue Lug!
>
> I would be very happy that if I could be a help for Rivendell and Blue 
> Lug. Ultimately I hope people who watch the subtitled video will find how 
> Rivendell bicycles are amazing even better than before, that would be 
> amazing.
>
> Link to the video↓
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA
>
> Masa
>

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[RBW] English subtitles for Blue Lug's video

[Masa]

Hello all!

This is my first post of 2023, I hope you are having good rides!

Last month I happened to have an opportunity to make subtitles for Blue 
Lug’s YouTube channel and now the “Rivendell Chart” video is English 
subtitled!

Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, When I finished watching the 
video I felt that “oh this video should be shared with English speaking 
Rivendell fans(means this "RBW Owners Bunch) too” so I started translating 
the video briefly.

Then I found someone commented that “Subtitles please!” and Blue Lug 
replied “we’d love to but at the moment we are too busy so we need a help”. 
I thought that “why don’t I do that?”

It took me a week to complete subtitling between my work, playing with my 
baby, feeding my baby, putting my baby to sleep, sleeping with my baby, 
chatting with my wife and commuting by my Platypus.

It was a really fun work to do related to not only the things I’m 
passionate about which are languages and bicycles but also favourite people 
who are Rivendell and Blue Lug!

I would be very happy that if I could be a help for Rivendell and Blue Lug. 
Ultimately I hope people who watch the subtitled video will find how 
Rivendell bicycles are amazing even better than before, that would be 
amazing.

Link to the video↓
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA

Masa

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik 
closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022. 

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Try visiting Kucharick Bicycle Clothing. Going out of business sale !
> https://www.kucharik.com/
>
> I have bought some solid colored wool jerseys late last year from John 
> Kucharick. They are luxurious merino wool !
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> George — I do wish that there was more simple wool out there in nice 
>> solid colors and I think generally shorts are too long! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
> Interesting discussion topic, Andrew. I picture Jobst today on a bike very 
>>> similar to what he ran most of his life. Steel frame, no racks, rim brakes. 
>>> Maybe a frame that would accommodate wider tires. 
>>>
>>> Here's a picture of Jobst from his last Alpine tour in 2008 (read more 
>>> here 
>>> 
>>> ). 
>>>
>>> [image: xnemj6.jpg]
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what make of frames he was riding in this era. But after 50 
>>> years of touring thousands of miles every summer in Italy, Switzerland and 
>>> France (in addition to the long rides in California) I can't see him 
>>> switching up and running racks or a rando build. He was famously ornery and 
>>> I think he had his system right where he wanted it. He'd tour with a 
>>> Carradice and stayed in hotels along the way (many with friends and 
>>> families he'd met in the 1950s). 
>>>
>>> As for frame material, this is of course a guess, but I'd wager he'd 
>>> stick with steel. He rode well into the carbon era. As Tom shared in the 
>>> Radavist article today Brandt would get a new frame every few years, 
>>> worried about damage or fractures. He chose yellow paint for his bikes 
>>> because he thought it was the best for highlighting damage. I could see his 
>>> familiarity with steel keeping him on steel frames. And I could see the 
>>> possibility of catastrophic failure keeping him from carbon. 
>>>
>>> Regarding helmets, I don't think Brandt ever wore one. He probably 
>>> shared an explanation for this back on rec.bicycles.tech but that's way 
>>> before my time. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 True.  I remember those days.  The most you see in one or two of those 
 photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks 
 like he has a mountaineering helmet.  Another thing I notice is much 
 shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch.


 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available. 
> During Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley  wrote:
>
>> One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a 
>> helmet.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5 
>> andyree...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a 
>>> nod to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. 
>>> As 
>>> a result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you 
>>> spliced 
>>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>>>
>>> Today's Radavist 
>>> 
>>>  article 
>>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
>>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>>>
>>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a 
>>> lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
>>> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando 
>>> build?  
>>>
>>> Take it away if you wish, 
>>> Andrew
>>>
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