[RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[JAS]

The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well made 
and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
fenders).

Joyce

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:

> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
>> Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
>> hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
>> isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Luke Hendrickson]

Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and fewer 
impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a 
stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or 
screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
options are not. 

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding I 
> do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish road 
> rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use 
> clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are 
> much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment 
> as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I 
> think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the 
> time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone 
> else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for 
> years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of 
> pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms 
> with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot 
> more.
>
> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend 
> Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few 
> years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like 
> them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for 
> their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs 
> work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.
>
> Josiah Anderson
> Missoula, MT
>
> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :
>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe 
>> clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts 
>> about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i 
>> get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>
>> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers 
>> eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals 
>> on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to 
>> see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a 
>> while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked 
>> bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing 
>> any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch 
>> the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group 
>> ride" bike (my Riv Road). 
>>
>> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super 
>> easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low 
>> profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension 
>> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as 
>> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of 
>> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want 
>> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support. 
>> On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that 
>> hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and 
>> cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was 
>> always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: The Cabo Loop, BSC

[John Rinker]

Hey Kim,

Daytime temps were around 25-27C (77-80F)  A couple of days we had very 
nice cloud cover which kept things cooler while climbing in the mountains; 
very nice, indeed.

Cheers, John

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 8:05:32 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wonderful getaway ride report !  Thank-you for sharing.
> What was the day time high temperatures like ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 7:41:09 PM UTC-8 Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>> Awesome! Thanks for the write up. That looks like a great get away.
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2023, at 4:42 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> A friend and I recently hung up our skis here in BC for a few weeks and 
>> headed south to Baja Sur to ride the Cape (Cabo) Loop that completes the 
>> popular Baja Divide route. The loop is roughly 450km and takes in the 
>> Pacific Ocean, the* Sierra La Lagunas*, and beautiful beaches along the 
>> Sea of Cortez. The landscape in both the mountains and along the coasts is 
>> a rich and diverse desert ecosystem. In addition to a variety of birds, we 
>> saw tons (literally) of humpback whales and mobula rays along the eastern 
>> coastline. The route is somewhat challenging with some stiff climbing, 
>> tire-sucking sand, and a few technical rock-dancing sections. Mostly, it’s 
>> a stunner ride that offers warm weather mid-Winter and wild camping in 
>> beautiful spots both in the mountains and on relatively empty beaches. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Shortly after landing in San Jose del Cabo, we put our bikes together and 
>> headed toward the Baja brewery in the Old Town to carbo load with Peyote 
>> IPAs and* tacos de pescado* for our departure the following morning. We 
>> chose to complete the loop in a clockwise manner as, after the busy-ness of 
>> San Jose, we were itching for the solitude of the mountains. Climbing into 
>> the *Sierra La Lagunas*, we were pleasantly surprised by the prevalence 
>> of running water in many of the arroyos (Feb 2023). At the height of land, 
>> we camped in a clearing under a mature Mexican white oak surrounded by 
>> organ pipe cactus and Torchwood trees. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Our ride down the other side the next morning was a fast descent through 
>> sandy curves as we headed towards *Todos Santos* and the Pacific Coast. 
>> Again, there was plenty of water flowing through this verdant, desert 
>> landscape. *Todos Santos* is a historical Mexican town fast on its way 
>> to becoming a gentrified destination for North Americans seeking…well, 
>> something other than America north of the Mexican border. North of town on 
>> the Playa Los Mangos, we camped in the deserted dunes as the Pacific Ocean 
>> was anything but. Thunderous waves battered the shoreline throughout the 
>> night. The morning light gave us our first glimpse of the migrating whales 
>> and the squadrons of pelicans gliding centimeters about the rolling, blue 
>> sea. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> After a brief stop in a bustling *Todos Santos* we were headed back into 
>> the quiet of the mountains for some very challenging riding in and out of 
>> arroyos. Sections of deep sand had me pushing my Hunq with her ill-advised, 
>> less-than-3-inch tires (highly discouraged by the bike packing community, 
>> but just fine by me). The climbs out of the arroyos were as steep and rocky 
>> as the descents into them, and the surrounding desert pulsed with the life 
>> of such a variety of plants and cacti. The landscape here seemed as full as 
>> the thick forests back home in BC, albeit with more pokey things.
>>
>>
>> After camping at an abandoned rancho that night, we set our sights on 
>> arriving at the mountain hamlet of *El Triunfo*, an old silver-mining 
>> town, for a well-earned meal. Ochre ribbons of flow-y hard pack eventually 
>> dropped us onto the highway and a gentle climb to town. Carlota’s, a family 
>> restaurant just out the other side of town, delivered a delightful meal. 
>> After fresh orange juice and even fresher tortillas, we were ready and 
>> fuelled for a cruise along the highway before our turn back into the 
>> mountains at *San Blas*. That evening we pushed our bikes off the road, 
>> through the forest of cacti, mesquite, and torchwood, and camped among 
>> piles of granite boulders- wild camping at its finest. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Another morning of climbing in and out of arroyos on fine hard pack 
>> brought us to the mountain’s crest where we caught our first glimpse of the 
>> Sea of Cortez. A quick descent, a right turn and we were flying down the 
>> highway towards La Ventana. We rode through the town unable to see the sea 
>> past the dust, cars, and development until we reached the more remote beach 
>> of *Agua Caliente* where we soaked in natural hot pools on the rocky 
>> beach. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> The next morning, we rode a beautiful and extensive single-track trail 
>> system through a forest of *Cardon* (Elephant) cacti on our way to the 
>> wide expanse of undeveloped beaches southeast of La 

[RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[JW]

We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
> Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
> hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
> isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] Bike rack suggestions

[Pam Bikes]

Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

...and also determine mileage, pace, elevation, etc.  Obviously I'd like to 
be able to take in all the bikes over a picnic or some type of gathering.  
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:15:07 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Let's all try to plan a Riv NC ride near Boone this summer.  Who can 
> help?  We would need to pick a date, plan a route.  I'm not familiar with 
> the area.
>
> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 10:47:26 AM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi Dick,
>> I’m in asheville and know about 5 other riv riders here. We spend lots of 
>> time on the Bent Creek trails/fire roads.
>> Gary
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>
>>> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
>>> Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Pam Bikes]

Let's all try to plan a Riv NC ride near Boone this summer.  Who can help?  
We would need to pick a date, plan a route.  I'm not familiar with the area.

On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 10:47:26 AM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:

> Hi Dick,
> I’m in asheville and know about 5 other riv riders here. We spend lots of 
> time on the Bent Creek trails/fire roads.
> Gary
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>
>> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the 
>> Brevard NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>>
>> Dick
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: The Cabo Loop, BSC

[Kim Hetzel]

Wonderful getaway ride report !  Thank-you for sharing.
What was the day time high temperatures like ?

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 7:41:09 PM UTC-8 Sky Coulter wrote:

> Awesome! Thanks for the write up. That looks like a great get away.
>
> On Feb 19, 2023, at 4:42 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>
>  
>
> A friend and I recently hung up our skis here in BC for a few weeks and 
> headed south to Baja Sur to ride the Cape (Cabo) Loop that completes the 
> popular Baja Divide route. The loop is roughly 450km and takes in the 
> Pacific Ocean, the* Sierra La Lagunas*, and beautiful beaches along the 
> Sea of Cortez. The landscape in both the mountains and along the coasts is 
> a rich and diverse desert ecosystem. In addition to a variety of birds, we 
> saw tons (literally) of humpback whales and mobula rays along the eastern 
> coastline. The route is somewhat challenging with some stiff climbing, 
> tire-sucking sand, and a few technical rock-dancing sections. Mostly, it’s 
> a stunner ride that offers warm weather mid-Winter and wild camping in 
> beautiful spots both in the mountains and on relatively empty beaches. 
>
> 
>
> Shortly after landing in San Jose del Cabo, we put our bikes together and 
> headed toward the Baja brewery in the Old Town to carbo load with Peyote 
> IPAs and* tacos de pescado* for our departure the following morning. We 
> chose to complete the loop in a clockwise manner as, after the busy-ness of 
> San Jose, we were itching for the solitude of the mountains. Climbing into 
> the *Sierra La Lagunas*, we were pleasantly surprised by the prevalence 
> of running water in many of the arroyos (Feb 2023). At the height of land, 
> we camped in a clearing under a mature Mexican white oak surrounded by 
> organ pipe cactus and Torchwood trees. 
>
> 
>
> Our ride down the other side the next morning was a fast descent through 
> sandy curves as we headed towards *Todos Santos* and the Pacific Coast. 
> Again, there was plenty of water flowing through this verdant, desert 
> landscape. *Todos Santos* is a historical Mexican town fast on its way to 
> becoming a gentrified destination for North Americans seeking…well, 
> something other than America north of the Mexican border. North of town on 
> the Playa Los Mangos, we camped in the deserted dunes as the Pacific Ocean 
> was anything but. Thunderous waves battered the shoreline throughout the 
> night. The morning light gave us our first glimpse of the migrating whales 
> and the squadrons of pelicans gliding centimeters about the rolling, blue 
> sea. 
>
> 
>
> After a brief stop in a bustling *Todos Santos* we were headed back into 
> the quiet of the mountains for some very challenging riding in and out of 
> arroyos. Sections of deep sand had me pushing my Hunq with her ill-advised, 
> less-than-3-inch tires (highly discouraged by the bike packing community, 
> but just fine by me). The climbs out of the arroyos were as steep and rocky 
> as the descents into them, and the surrounding desert pulsed with the life 
> of such a variety of plants and cacti. The landscape here seemed as full as 
> the thick forests back home in BC, albeit with more pokey things.
>
>
> After camping at an abandoned rancho that night, we set our sights on 
> arriving at the mountain hamlet of *El Triunfo*, an old silver-mining 
> town, for a well-earned meal. Ochre ribbons of flow-y hard pack eventually 
> dropped us onto the highway and a gentle climb to town. Carlota’s, a family 
> restaurant just out the other side of town, delivered a delightful meal. 
> After fresh orange juice and even fresher tortillas, we were ready and 
> fuelled for a cruise along the highway before our turn back into the 
> mountains at *San Blas*. That evening we pushed our bikes off the road, 
> through the forest of cacti, mesquite, and torchwood, and camped among 
> piles of granite boulders- wild camping at its finest. 
>
> 
>
> Another morning of climbing in and out of arroyos on fine hard pack 
> brought us to the mountain’s crest where we caught our first glimpse of the 
> Sea of Cortez. A quick descent, a right turn and we were flying down the 
> highway towards La Ventana. We rode through the town unable to see the sea 
> past the dust, cars, and development until we reached the more remote beach 
> of *Agua Caliente* where we soaked in natural hot pools on the rocky 
> beach. 
>
> 
>
> The next morning, we rode a beautiful and extensive single-track trail 
> system through a forest of *Cardon* (Elephant) cacti on our way to the 
> wide expanse of undeveloped beaches southeast of La Ventana. After a fine 
> swim in the clear, jade waters in Bahia La Ventana, we found ourselves off 
> track and wandering through a vast arroyo in search of the ‘shortcut’ to 
> Los Planes. Eventually finding our way, Los Planes was perhaps the most 
> authentic Mexican town we visited along the coast- not a gift shop nor a 
> ‘#van life’ sticker to be found. Our 

[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[maxcr]

The proto-appa lives!

https://bikepacking.com/news/readers-rig-tims-rivendell-protovelo/

Really cool to see all the different versions of an awesome and versatile 
bike! Very nice Tim.

Max

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 7:53:58 PM UTC-4 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:

> Michelle! What an exciting dilemma you're in! 
>
> That's me Kurt is talking about! I didn't even occur to me that I might 
> have something to add to this post until Kurt added his two cents. I bought 
> his Proto-appaloosa this spring and I've been loving it. I haven't ever 
> ridden a Hunqapillar, but if anyone in Portland has a 62cm I'd love to take 
> it for a spin! The bike I own is basically Appaloosa geometry with a 
> Hunqapillar fork and diagatube. So far, I've mostly been commuting on it 
> with a few mini-tours on mixed road/gravel here in Oregon. Its VERY 
> comfortable. I was able to ride some rough gravel roads and you can just 
> fly on descents. It feels like you're floating through all the bumps. You 
> will notice that it takes a little extra leaning for tight corners. I have 
> dreams of riding more singletrack, but I know the vast majority of my 
> riding will be on the road or fire roads. Overall, I'd definitely recommend 
> the Appaloosa if you're looking for an all-arounder (tour, gravel, commute, 
> etc.). Here's a picture of the ride Kurt was referring to that I did with 
> my son: https://www.instagram.com/p/BXLg4k-BB32/?taken-by=hunqaloosa So 
> fun! 
>
> The long chain stays tend to draw attention of others, so you'll likely 
> get some comments and need to explain things for people. But the bike will 
> stand out for lots of other reasons too. :) 
>
> Cheers,
> Tim O.
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:09:02 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>
>> I own a Hunq and had an Appaloosa based Proto-Riv and for me the Hunq was 
>> the right bike. But I loved the Appa a lot. 
>> I wanted to be able to ride rougher single track with tight turns and was 
>> willing to give up the extra smoothness and stability on the longer bike 
>> for more agility so I went with the shorter Hunq. 
>> I sold my Proto to a fellow lister and he puts his kid on the back and 
>> loads the front with his camping gear and rides around Oregon like that. I 
>> think it's the perfect bike for what he's doing. The longer bike was by far 
>> the most stable, comfortable bike I have ever ridden but that did make it a 
>> bit harder to maneuver through rough stuff off road. I still did it but a 
>> shorter bike is easier. 
>> If it were me I'd figure out what type of riding I'd be doing most and 
>> base my decision on that. If you're doing rides that are mostly pavement or 
>> fire roads the Appaloosa is probably they way to go. If you're routinely 
>> hitting rougher singletrack the the Hunq might be your bike. The Appa will 
>> ride smoother. 
>>
>> The Hunq is no mountain bike though, it's fairly capable but I might buy 
>> the Appa and spend the money I saved on a Karate Monkey or similar for 
>> trail shredding
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
>>>
>>> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
>>> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
>>> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
>>> What would make you choose one over the other?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: The Cabo Loop, BSC

[Sky Coulter]

Awesome! Thanks for the write up. That looks like a great get away.On Feb 19, 2023, at 4:42 PM, John Rinker  wrote:





A friend and I recently hung up our skis here in BC for a few weeks and headed south to Baja Sur to ride the Cape (Cabo) Loop that completes the popular Baja Divide route. The loop is roughly 450km and takes in the Pacific Ocean, the Sierra La Lagunas, and beautiful beaches along the Sea of Cortez. The landscape in both the mountains and along the coasts is a rich and diverse desert ecosystem. In addition to a variety of birds, we saw tons (literally) of humpback whales and mobula rays along the eastern coastline. The route is somewhat challenging with some stiff climbing, tire-sucking sand, and a few technical rock-dancing sections. Mostly, it’s a stunner ride that offers warm weather mid-Winter and wild camping in beautiful spots both in the mountains and on relatively empty beaches. 

Shortly after landing in San Jose del Cabo, we put our bikes together and headed toward the Baja brewery in the Old Town to carbo load with Peyote IPAs and tacos de pescado for our departure the following morning. We chose to complete the loop in a clockwise manner as, after the busy-ness of San Jose, we were itching for the solitude of the mountains. Climbing into the Sierra La Lagunas, we were pleasantly surprised by the prevalence of running water in many of the arroyos (Feb 2023). At the height of land, we camped in a clearing under a mature Mexican white oak surrounded by organ pipe cactus and Torchwood trees. 

Our ride down the other side the next morning was a fast descent through sandy curves as we headed towards Todos Santos and the Pacific Coast. Again, there was plenty of water flowing through this verdant, desert landscape. Todos Santos is a historical Mexican town fast on its way to becoming a gentrified destination for North Americans seeking…well, something other than America north of the Mexican border. North of town on the Playa Los Mangos, we camped in the deserted dunes as the Pacific Ocean was anything but. Thunderous waves battered the shoreline throughout the night. The morning light gave us our first glimpse of the migrating whales and the squadrons of pelicans gliding centimeters about the rolling, blue sea. 

After a brief stop in a bustling Todos Santos we were headed back into the quiet of the mountains for some very challenging riding in and out of arroyos. Sections of deep sand had me pushing my Hunq with her ill-advised, less-than-3-inch tires (highly discouraged by the bike packing community, but just fine by me). The climbs out of the arroyos were as steep and rocky as the descents into them, and the surrounding desert pulsed with the life of such a variety of plants and cacti. The landscape here seemed as full as the thick forests back home in BC, albeit with more pokey things.

After camping at an abandoned rancho that night, we set our sights on arriving at the mountain hamlet of El Triunfo, an old silver-mining town, for a well-earned meal. Ochre ribbons of flow-y hard pack eventually dropped us onto the highway and a gentle climb to town. Carlota’s, a family restaurant just out the other side of town, delivered a delightful meal. After fresh orange juice and even fresher tortillas, we were ready and fuelled for a cruise along the highway before our turn back into the mountains at San Blas. That evening we pushed our bikes off the road, through the forest of cacti, mesquite, and torchwood, and camped among piles of granite boulders- wild camping at its finest. 

Another morning of climbing in and out of arroyos on fine hard pack brought us to the mountain’s crest where we caught our first glimpse of the Sea of Cortez. A quick descent, a right turn and we were flying down the highway towards La Ventana. We rode through the town unable to see the sea past the dust, cars, and development until we reached the more remote beach of Agua Caliente where we soaked in natural hot pools on the rocky beach. 

The next morning, we rode a beautiful and extensive single-track trail system through a forest of Cardon (Elephant) cacti on our way to the wide expanse of undeveloped beaches southeast of La Ventana. After a fine swim in the clear, jade waters in Bahia La Ventana, we found ourselves off track and wandering through a vast arroyo in search of the ‘shortcut’ to Los Planes. Eventually finding our way, Los Planes was perhaps the most authentic Mexican town we visited along the coast- not a gift shop nor a ‘#van life’ sticker to be found. Our ride that day ended with a planned detour off the route to Ensenada de Los Muertos, a deep-water port used by H. Cortez to quarantine (and bury at sea) sailors while his ships resupplied with fresh water in Los Barriles, another deep-water port to the south. 

A fiery-red sunrise (sailor’s warning?) ushered in a day of cool rain. We rode away from the coast and back into the mountains. Some thigh-busting climbing and a serpentine descent 

[RBW] WTB Paul Touring Canti Brakes

[Richard Borneman]

Looking for a set or two of Paul's Touring cantis. Prefer silver but black 
or purple would be OK too.
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Ted Durant]

I have heard great things!  Unfortunately I don’t have any grandchildren living there. Ted DurantMilwaukee, WIOn Feb 19, 2023, at 4:06 PM, John Dewey  wrote:Ted, you should grab a bike and head over to Athens. We’re locals and Lonely Planet sez Athens is most desirable cycling destination in USA. It’s all true. Mile after mile of smooth blacktop, up and down through pine forests. No traffic, many cyclists ❤️BEST / John DeweyOn Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:16 AM R Shannon  wrote:Certainly spring for Wisconsin! Enjoy your warm weather riding in LA珞Best,Rich in ATL On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 9:24 AM, Ted Durant  wrote:On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:42:14 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:Late to the winter riding party but in Atlanta we're straddling winter and spring so take your pick.Daffodils, crocus and spirea (shown) make it look like spring is close; 28 degrees overnight tells me not yet!I'm going to have to call that a spring ride photo, not winter. I don't think I'll see anything like that until late April. :-) (Well, I will be riding in the Los Angeles area in early March)Ted DurantMilwaukee WI USA 



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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Eric Marth]

Good for you, Leah! Enjoy the wrenches :) 

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 1:06:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Great story, thank you Leah. Bike repair and maintenance is a forever 
> learning process, but I don’t want to mess with spoke tension, truing 
> wheels, or building wheels up from scratch. These are skills I deeply 
> admire in other folks.
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Wonderful, and yes I can relate.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:30:45 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like a wonderful class. I wonder if you’ll start riding towards 
>>> the potholes or if you hear a noise just think “I might be able to fix 
>>> that!”  I’m going to look for a local class like that. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:31:40 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is 
 slow. The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
 students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
 bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
 on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
 patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend 
 from 
 my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
 marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
 scheming.)

 I digress! 

 He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
 starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
 ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
 to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 

 There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, 
 a steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
 raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
 had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
 (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
 thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
 headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
 wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an 
 identical 
 sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
 wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
 of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
 wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.

 I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
 working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
 I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
 beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
 a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
 know you could adjust them.  And so on and so forth.

 Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at 
 home - don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder 
 if he will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
 Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
 on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 

 Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep walking that 
 direction. I’m sure some of you out there can relate.
 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[John Dewey]

Ted, you should grab a bike and head over to Athens. We’re locals and
Lonely Planet sez Athens is most desirable cycling destination in USA. It’s
all true. Mile after mile of smooth blacktop, up and down through pine
forests. No traffic, many cyclists ❤️

BEST / John Dewey

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:16 AM R Shannon  wrote:

> Certainly spring for Wisconsin!
> Enjoy your warm weather riding in LA珞
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 9:24 AM, Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:42:14 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>> Late to the winter riding party but in Atlanta we're straddling winter
>> and spring so take your pick.
>> Daffodils, crocus and spirea (shown) make it look like spring is close;
>> 28 degrees overnight tells me not yet!
>>
>> I'm going to have to call that a spring ride photo, not winter. I don't
>> think I'll see anything like that until late April. :-) (Well, I will be
>> riding in the Los Angeles area in early March)
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Josiah Anderson]

I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding I
do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish road
rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use
clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are
much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment
as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I
think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the
time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone
else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for
years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of
pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms
with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot
more.

That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend
Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few
years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like
them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for
their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs
work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.

Josiah Anderson
Missoula, MT

Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :

> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe
> clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts
> about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i
> get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types.
>
> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers
> eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals
> on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to
> see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a
> while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked
> bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing
> any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch
> the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group
> ride" bike (my Riv Road).
>
> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super
> easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low
> profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension
> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as
> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of
> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want
> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support.
> On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that
> hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and
> cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was
> always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO/WTB tall 120mm quill stem 25.4 with removeable faceplate

[Bob Warner]

Thanks…trying to avoid the quill adapter, I find they often don’t provide much rise Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 19, 2023, at 10:07 AM, jad...@gmail.com  wrote:if you can stomach a quill adaptor here is one.  https://shop.circles-jp.com/en/products/simworks-tomboy-new-faceOn Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:17:03 AM UTC-7 BobW wrote:Been scouring the forums & websites for something like the Rive Faceplater for 25.4 bar with a 120mm reach, and tall.  Very  to used in decent shape.Anyone have one hey want to be rid of? or know of where one can be obtained??thanks!!Bob



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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[R Shannon]

Certainly spring for Wisconsin!
Enjoy your warm weather riding in LA珞

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 9:24 AM, Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:42:14 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
> Late to the winter riding party but in Atlanta we're straddling winter and
> spring so take your pick.
> Daffodils, crocus and spirea (shown) make it look like spring is close; 28
> degrees overnight tells me not yet!
>
> I'm going to have to call that a spring ride photo, not winter. I don't
> think I'll see anything like that until late April. :-) (Well, I will be
> riding in the Los Angeles area in early March)
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[J J]

Great story, thank you Leah. Bike repair and maintenance is a forever 
learning process, but I don’t want to mess with spoke tension, truing 
wheels, or building wheels up from scratch. These are skills I deeply 
admire in other folks.
On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Wonderful, and yes I can relate.
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:30:45 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a wonderful class. I wonder if you’ll start riding towards 
>> the potholes or if you hear a noise just think “I might be able to fix 
>> that!”  I’m going to look for a local class like that. 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:31:40 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is 
>>> slow. The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
>>> students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
>>> bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
>>> on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
>>> patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
>>> my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
>>> marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
>>> scheming.)
>>>
>>> I digress! 
>>>
>>> He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
>>> starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
>>> ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
>>> to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 
>>>
>>> There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
>>> steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
>>> raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
>>> had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
>>> (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
>>> thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
>>> headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
>>> wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical 
>>> sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
>>> wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
>>> of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
>>> wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.
>>>
>>> I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
>>> working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
>>> I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
>>> beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
>>> a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
>>> know you could adjust them.  And so on and so forth.
>>>
>>> Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at home 
>>> - don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder if he 
>>> will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
>>> Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
>>> on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 
>>>
>>> Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep walking that 
>>> direction. I’m sure some of you out there can relate.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Jim Whorton]

Wonderful, and yes I can relate.

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:30:45 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Sounds like a wonderful class. I wonder if you’ll start riding towards the 
> potholes or if you hear a noise just think “I might be able to fix that!” 
>  I’m going to look for a local class like that. 
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:31:40 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is slow. 
>> The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
>> students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
>> bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
>> on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
>> patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
>> my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
>> marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
>> scheming.)
>>
>> I digress! 
>>
>> He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
>> starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
>> ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
>> to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 
>>
>> There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
>> steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
>> raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
>> had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
>> (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
>> thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
>> headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
>> wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical 
>> sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
>> wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
>> of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
>> wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.
>>
>> I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
>> working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
>> I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
>> beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
>> a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
>> know you could adjust them.  And so on and so forth.
>>
>> Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at home 
>> - don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder if he 
>> will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
>> Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
>> on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 
>>
>> Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep walking that 
>> direction. I’m sure some of you out there can relate.
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis fit question, and maybe purchase help

[Bill Lindsay]

Kurt

You bought my Rosco Road, and know how it fit(s).  I also have had a 58 
Toyo Atlantis ramble through my stable and it fit splendidly.  The reason a 
58.5cm top tube give you pause is because it is coupled with a slacker seat 
tube than most other bikes. On a Rivendell, if you are thinking correctly 
about saddle position, you'll be in the middle of the rails on a Riv, where 
you'd be slammed back on most normal bikes.  That's 1.5cm or more right 
there.  

Anyway, go for it and sell me back my Rosco!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 1:53:00 PM UTC-8 Kurt Henry wrote:

> A recent thread about the red 58cm Toyo Atlantis for sale in the Bay Area (
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html)
>  
> has brought back an old desire to have an early Atlantis.  It's a model 
> I've looked at for years but never pulled the trigger.  So that brings me 
> to my two questions.
>
> First, I should fit according to the brochure.  I'm 5'10" and run a 75cm 
> saddle height, which is the very bottom edge of a 58cm from that era.  The 
> 58.5 top tube would normally give me pause (~34/35" sleeve length) but I 
> want to run it with flat bars, as the red one is currently set up.  That 
> should help with the top tube length.  Has anyone of my rough dimensions 
> ridden a 58cm Toyo and can comment on their experience?
>
> Unless someone comes out of the last question screaming, "Danger, Will 
> Robinson" we move to my second question: is there a Rivver in the Bay Area 
> that would be willing to check it out for me, hand over the payment, and 
> drop it at a local shop that I could work with to pack and ship it?  I'm in 
> Pennsylvania and they state 'no shipping' in the ad.  I'm happy to 
> reimburse you for the trouble.
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Kurt Henry
> Lancaster, PA
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB tall 120mm quill stem 25.4 with removeable faceplate

[jad...@gmail.com]

if you can stomach a quill adaptor here is one. 
 https://shop.circles-jp.com/en/products/simworks-tomboy-new-face
On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:17:03 AM UTC-7 BobW wrote:

> Been scouring the forums & websites for something like the Rive Faceplater 
> for 25.4 bar with a 120mm reach, and tall.  Very  to used in decent shape.
>
> Anyone have one hey want to be rid of? or know of where one can be 
> obtained??
>
> thanks!!
> Bob
>

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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Roberta]

Sounds like a wonderful class. I wonder if you’ll start riding towards the 
potholes or if you hear a noise just think “I might be able to fix that!” 
 I’m going to look for a local class like that. 

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:31:40 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is slow. 
> The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
> students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
> bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
> on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
> patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
> my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
> marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
> scheming.)
>
> I digress! 
>
> He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
> starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
> ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
> to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 
>
> There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
> steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
> raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
> had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
> (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
> thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
> headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
> wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical 
> sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
> wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
> of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
> wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.
>
> I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
> working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
> I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
> beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
> a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
> know you could adjust them.  And so on and so forth.
>
> Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at home - 
> don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder if he 
> will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
> Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
> on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 
>
> Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep walking that 
> direction. I’m sure some of you out there can relate.
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:42:14 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
Late to the winter riding party but in Atlanta we're straddling winter and 
spring so take your pick.
Daffodils, crocus and spirea (shown) make it look like spring is close; 28 
degrees overnight tells me not yet!

I'm going to have to call that a spring ride photo, not winter. I don't 
think I'll see anything like that until late April. :-) (Well, I will be 
riding in the Los Angeles area in early March)

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe 
clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts 
about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i 
get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 

Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers 
eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals 
on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to 
see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a 
while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked 
bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing 
any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch 
the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group 
ride" bike (my Riv Road). 

That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super 
easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low 
profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension 
adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as 
you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of 
fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want 
shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support. 
On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that 
hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and 
cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was 
always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:31:40 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
 I am leaving my new spoke wrench in the packaging because no good can come 
from that thing.

I have built my own wheels in the past, and stopped trying to do that a 
long time ago. You need good tools and a lot of practice to build a wheel 
that holds up. That said, being able to make a "good enough" tweak after 
slamming a pothole is a valuable skill that can save a ride, or even get 
you to the end of the biking season when you can leave it at the shop for a 
full workover. 

If you are interested, _The Bicycle Wheel_ by Jobst Brandt is THE book on 
spoked wheels, why they work, how to build them, etc. It will take away 
most of the mystery.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Luke Hendrickson]

Ah wonderful! Riding has taken on a new dimension with the ability to 
wrench on my bike myself. Stoked for more updates. 

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:34:47 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Good on you, Leah! Being able to maintain and fix one's bicycle is just 
> shy of the fun had in pedaling it. Carry on and one day you'll be building 
> your own wheels!
>
> Cheers, John
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:06:12 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I can't true up a whole bent-outta-whack wheel and won't even try. I can 
>> true one very small section that's wobbled a little off center and that's 
>> about it, any more and it's going to the bike shop! 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:31:40 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is 
>>> slow. The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
>>> students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
>>> bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
>>> on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
>>> patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
>>> my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
>>> marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
>>> scheming.)
>>>
>>> I digress! 
>>>
>>> He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
>>> starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
>>> ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
>>> to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 
>>>
>>> There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
>>> steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
>>> raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
>>> had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
>>> (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
>>> thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
>>> headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
>>> wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical 
>>> sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
>>> wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
>>> of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
>>> wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.
>>>
>>> I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
>>> working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
>>> I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
>>> beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
>>> a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
>>> know you could adjust them.  And so on and so forth.
>>>
>>> Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at home 
>>> - don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder if he 
>>> will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
>>> Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
>>> on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 
>>>
>>> Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep walking that 
>>> direction. I’m sure some of you out there can relate.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: '85 Specialized Sequoia 63cm

[Luke Hendrickson]

Gorgeous frameset. Had I not just picked up a NOS Centurion from the 80s, 
I’d be tempted. It doesn’t help that I live just across town… Best of luck 
in selling it!
On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:25:37 PM UTC-8 mitchel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey all, I have officially run out of room for bike storage :( First on 
> the chopping block... my tall sequoia!! I loved riding this bike when i had 
> it 650b it was a real great park ripper/slick commuter. One of my favorite 
> bikes of all time. This is a rare bird in this size.. 
>
> Located in SF.. would prefer local pick up but could be down to ship. 
> Here's the linkage
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-1985-specialized-sequoia/7585806827.html
>
> let me know you have any questions!
>

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