[RBW] Re: 48mm tire choice?

[Grady Wright]

Soma Cazadero comes in 700x50 but I have seen it on Platty and Sam's so I 
think it fits like a 48.

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:49:16 p.m. UTC-7 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Hi, can anyone recommend tires for 90% pavement that are 700x48 for my 
> Platy?  I've gone the cheap route with the Specialized Sawtooth but now I'm 
> ready for something better.  They have to be tough enough to commute on the 
> street every day.
>
> The only tire I can seem to find is the Shikoro. I remember reading some 
> mixed reviews but I couldn't find anything recent here.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom 
> Reston, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: More wool clothes - Kitsbow Icon, REI Jacket, BSA Wool Jacket

[Michael Ullmer]

Last bump on these, $35 for the pair.

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 8:45:45 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Kitsbow is sold, other two remain with price drops:
>
> 2) REI Wool Blend Jacket Mens Medium - $25
>
> 3) Boy Scouts of America Wool Jacket - $20
>
> Or both for $40
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:11:23 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Here are some more items that didn't make the cut this winter:
>>
>> 1) Kitsbow Icon Mens Medium - Sedona Ombre, Signature Fit - $160
>> --In great shape, no rips/tears. Some fuzz and pilling that can be 
>> cleaned up. Their signature fit is a bit tighter than a regular fit, lots 
>> more info on the Kitsbow site on this one. One of the best cycling flannels 
>> available.
>>
>> 2) REI Wool Blend Jacket Mens Medium - $30
>> --This is an older model made in Canada. Wool blend jacket (tag is faded 
>> so I can't determine blend amounts) reminiscent of Ibex jackets I've used 
>> in the past. I intended this to be a chore jacket, but a friend gifted me a 
>> Filson jacket for that purpose instead. In great shape, no stains that I 
>> can see. Fits well as a layering piece with a flannel or sweater underneath.
>>
>> 3) Boy Scouts of America Wool Jacket - $25
>> --This is labeled as a size 42, it fits me well as a layering piece and I 
>> usually wear medium clothes. This is a thick wool jacket, great red 
>> buttons, two flap pockets. There's some stains on the outside that I 
>> haven't tried to get out but assume are semi-permanent. I used this as a 
>> chore jacket for in the garage.
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SELK7K5zmvBDNN9CA
>>
>> Prices are net to me and don't include shipping. I'll plan on using 
>> Pirateship
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: White Industries, Pacenti, Ibex

[Michael Ullmer]

Ibex gloves remain, open to offers

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 9:11:24 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> White Industries freewheel is sold, others remain
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 4:01:28 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Cross posting from I-bob:
>>
>> 1) White Industries 17t Freewheel - $50
>> --In great shape, a few cosmetic markings on the red face.
>>
>> 2) Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 1.5"/38mm Tires - $50
>> --brand new. I bought these as a backup in case my Trek 650b conversion 
>> didn't fit 42s, which it does! These are the tan version.
>>
>> 3) Ibex Wool Liner Gloves - $25
>> --Used, no holes or rips. A little big for my hands.
>>
>> Prices are net to me and don't include shipping. I'll plan on shipping 
>> using Pirateship.
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NUVwxCyfpTP6Um4X6
>>
>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 48mm tire choice?

[Michael Hammer]

I have the WTB Horizon in 47c on my Black Mountain Road+ and like them for 
90%+ pavement.  They also have the Byway if you want slightly knobby.  Half 
the price (maybe not now) of Rene Herse, YMMV.   Difficult to mount and 
unmount, however.  I'm running with tubes.  

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 4:18:17 PM UTC-8 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Tom. I have a set of  RH Hatcher Pass 700/48 that I'd be willing to 
> sell for $100 plus shipping if you're interested. They were on my Platy for 
> a short bit. They have some Stan's residue on them but otherwise almost 
> new. I loved them but don't have a use for them at this time and no future 
> plans. Let me know if you have any interest. 
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 3:54:30 PM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have multiple bikes with RH tires I commute on and have had few flats 
>> and no durability issues. I have one pair that are old enough they say 
>> "Compass" on the side and still have life left (I think they changed 
>> Compass->RH in 2019?). Just my experience, but they ride great and last 
>> years.
>>
>> Mike 
>> Austin TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-6 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, can anyone recommend tires for 90% pavement that are 700x48 for my 
>>> Platy?  I've gone the cheap route with the Specialized Sawtooth but now I'm 
>>> ready for something better.  They have to be tough enough to commute on the 
>>> street every day.
>>>
>>> The only tire I can seem to find is the Shikoro. I remember reading some 
>>> mixed reviews but I couldn't find anything recent here.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom 
>>> Reston, VA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS, NOS Ultegra Q.R. skewers 100/130

[Richard Rose]

I bought these a couple of weeks ago thinking they would look nice on my 
Gus build. The rear skewer however is for a 130 spaced frame, Gus is 135. 
It works but makes me a bit nervous with the threads not going all the way 
through the "nut". I have no idea how vintage these are but they have that 
very cool dark blue color - not gray. I thought they looked pretty cool, 
perhaps someone here would think so too? $30.00 shipped?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/j5pTVR7pU19umG8u7

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[RBW] FS/FT

[Edward Garnica]

Hi ya'll,

For sale I have:

heat treated Nitto B352AA albatross 

90 + 20/shipping or 85 local pickup in the bay area

*MKS* PAMBDA BL special pedal

30 + 5/shipping or 25 local pickup in the bay area


**both used for about two months. Pedals have hit some rocks but are in 
great condition. 

Also if anyone can recommend handlebar replacements?? I really like these 
but I feel like they go in a bit more than I'd like and I want something 
more stable when going downhill in rough terrain. 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone running RH Steilacoom on a Canti-Rom?

[J Schwartz]

Thanks Jeremy
very helpful indeed.


On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-5 Jeremy Till wrote:

> Not exactly the data point you were looking for, but I run nominal 700x40 
> WTB Nanos on my green Rambouillet. I use Paul Racer M brakes on that bike 
> to achieve max clearance, so it may be similar to what you have on a 
> Canti-rom. The tires measure out around 37.5mm on narrow Velocity Aerohead 
> rims. The limiting point on the tire clearance is the chainstay bridge. I 
> picked up a pair of Steilacooms at a bike swap last year and plan to 
> replace the Nanos with them soon so I will have more specific data then. 
>
> Picture of the current setup:
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2mXmCj6
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA 
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 8:20:48 AM UTC-8 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Yes, sorry , I meant Canti-braked Romulus.
>>
>> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 10:29:43 AM UTC-5 Dave C wrote:
>>
>>> Canti-Romulus, not Romanceur
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 6:19:30 AM UTC-8 charlie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi JS, 

 The canti Romanceur fits 650b wheels and the Steilacoom tires are 700c.

 Maybe try the Juniper Ridge. 


 Charlie in Maine 

 On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 12:45:05 PM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

> I think these will fit , but wanted to check here first to see if 
> anyone has tried.
> thank you
> JS
>


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[RBW] Re: 48mm tire choice?

[Lance Terry]

Hi Tom. I have a set of  RH Hatcher Pass 700/48 that I'd be willing to sell 
for $100 plus shipping if you're interested. They were on my Platy for a 
short bit. They have some Stan's residue on them but otherwise almost new. 
I loved them but don't have a use for them at this time and no future 
plans. Let me know if you have any interest. 
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 3:54:30 PM UTC-7 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have multiple bikes with RH tires I commute on and have had few flats 
> and no durability issues. I have one pair that are old enough they say 
> "Compass" on the side and still have life left (I think they changed 
> Compass->RH in 2019?). Just my experience, but they ride great and last 
> years.
>
> Mike 
> Austin TX
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-6 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Hi, can anyone recommend tires for 90% pavement that are 700x48 for my 
>> Platy?  I've gone the cheap route with the Specialized Sawtooth but now I'm 
>> ready for something better.  They have to be tough enough to commute on the 
>> street every day.
>>
>> The only tire I can seem to find is the Shikoro. I remember reading some 
>> mixed reviews but I couldn't find anything recent here.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom 
>> Reston, VA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 48mm tire choice?

[Russell Duncan]

I like the Bruce Gordon Rock ‘n Road 43 and they make a 48 too.

Russell Duncan
Leverett MA USA

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:54:30 PM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have multiple bikes with RH tires I commute on and have had few flats 
> and no durability issues. I have one pair that are old enough they say 
> "Compass" on the side and still have life left (I think they changed 
> Compass->RH in 2019?). Just my experience, but they ride great and last 
> years.
>
> Mike 
> Austin TX
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-6 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Hi, can anyone recommend tires for 90% pavement that are 700x48 for my 
>> Platy?  I've gone the cheap route with the Specialized Sawtooth but now I'm 
>> ready for something better.  They have to be tough enough to commute on the 
>> street every day.
>>
>> The only tire I can seem to find is the Shikoro. I remember reading some 
>> mixed reviews but I couldn't find anything recent here.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom 
>> Reston, VA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 48mm tire choice?

[Mike Packard]

I have multiple bikes with RH tires I commute on and have had few flats and 
no durability issues. I have one pair that are old enough they say 
"Compass" on the side and still have life left (I think they changed 
Compass->RH in 2019?). Just my experience, but they ride great and last 
years.

Mike 
Austin TX




On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-6 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Hi, can anyone recommend tires for 90% pavement that are 700x48 for my 
> Platy?  I've gone the cheap route with the Specialized Sawtooth but now I'm 
> ready for something better.  They have to be tough enough to commute on the 
> street every day.
>
> The only tire I can seem to find is the Shikoro. I remember reading some 
> mixed reviews but I couldn't find anything recent here.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom 
> Reston, VA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Mackenzy Albright]

I used a Peoples poncho for 5+ years with a lot of success. 

My biggest complaints are

-I am over 6ft tall and it felt a bit short in the arms, and worked less 
well on upright bikes vs drop bar setups. 
-When I got off my bike it all dumped onto my thighs and got my pants wet 
-the hood is a really weird not big to fit over helmet but a bit bulky fit 
under helmet 
-i had several occasions gusts of wind blew the poncho from my back over my 
face 

Things I loved:: 

-Light and packable so I always had it in my bag 
-on the bike it worked really well 
-looked great
-the hooks on the front hook to bars great leaving your hands free. 

It's since lost its water repellence at the seams so I gifted it to a 
shorter friend to re scotch spray. I invested in the LX carradice duxback 

things i dislike: 

-heavier and bulky so I don't "always" pack it with me 
-doesn't hook on the handlebars quite as nicely, but its longer so it kind 
of evens out. 
-It may be warmer than the OPP, but only used it in Vancouver cold so far. 
All water proof fabrics I find a bit overly warm though, so ussually just 
wear wool if precipitation is light enough. 
-takes longer to dry off completely 

things I love: 

-The hood is smaller and lined, so feel confident with vision and under 
helmet placement 
-better fit as a tall person on an upright bike 
-feels like it'll last a very long time and is easily refinished 
-looks even cooler than the OPP, much more of a classic RSF aesthetic. 
-has a tether so no flapping over the head (although I think OPP add this 
in recent models) 





On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've used rain capes for a good 10 years, and they're great except in 
> sidewind. The ventilation can't be beat. With a sidewind, turning feels a 
> lot more like coming about in a sailboat. I stopped using them because I 
> started riding my road bikes off pavement a lot, and full fenders kept 
> making noise or getting in the way.  With mountain bike style clip on 
> fenders rain capes just don't work as well. Modern rain suits are now much 
> more breathable than they used to be so I've gotten used to them as a 
> compromise. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:00:47 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Contrary opinion from someone who lives in a desert. I recall riding home 
>> 5 miles in an immense S Western thunderstorm with howling 3/4 headwind 
>> wearing my light Campmore poncho. The rain was coming down so hard that the 
>> access road to my street flooded ~2' deep -- the 1 time I've seen that 
>> happen; I rode into it and bailed, and it was just below my knees. I was 
>> wearing shorts and the poncho has a hood. I was completely dry from throat 
>> to thigh and relatively dry from chin to hair (well, at least in back). I 
>> was very surprised that the wind didn't bother me much more than it usually 
>> does; I had a 64" fixed gear.
>>
>> Now this sort of experience around here is a once in a decade, but I've 
>> used the Campmore (and the 2 Carradices) on 15 mile homebound commutes 
>> enough to know that for some people ponchos work well, given that any rain 
>> system is going to be a compromise. As always, YMMV.
>>
>> I still have the Campmore in its little stuffsack and stick it into my 
>> bag with a Grunden's hat when it looks like rain, but I've been lucky this 
>> season. I wish I'd seized the spats that were on sale here recently.
>>
>> Patrick "in ABQ, when it rains, it pours" Moore
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 1:42 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, ponchos are for "in case of rain" use in my opinion - and no 
>>> replacement for rain kit when there's 100% chance of rain.  Another good 
>>> use for them is short rides in the rain so you can simply pull the poncho 
>>> off and be wearing your 'normal' clothes straight away. It even keeps your 
>>> feet pretty dry if your fender coverage is sufficient, so you don't need an 
>>> entire change of clothes for a ten minute ride. 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>>>
 I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho 
 once.  It sucked.

 Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this 
 experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet, 
 and annoying.

 Will

 On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Brian, 
>
> Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I 
> too consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned 
> it and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too 
> much 
> of a tangent :)
>
> Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. 
> My partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it 
> hasn't seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is 
> a 
> priority for me as 

Re: [RBW] 48mm tire choice?

[Richard Rose]

90% pavement? I think I would try the Gravelking SS. Great tire & you can find good deals. I had them on my Clem & they are really nice on pavement. However, my riding is a little more mixed surface than yours & I am really liking my Simworks Homage tires in the 55 width. It’s a great multi surface tire leaving little to be desired on pavement & so nice on gravel & hardpack. And, they seem more durable than the Gravelking SS. I suppose the regular Gravelkings would be very good as well.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 7, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Tom Wyland  wrote:Hi, can anyone recommend tires for 90% pavement that are 700x48 for my Platy?  I've gone the cheap route with the Specialized Sawtooth but now I'm ready for something better.  They have to be tough enough to commute on the street every day.The only tire I can seem to find is the Shikoro. I remember reading some mixed reviews but I couldn't find anything recent here.Thanks,Tom Reston, VA



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[RBW] Re: 48mm tire choice?

[Tom Wyland]

Tom P - Are the Schwalbe G one Speed 700x48 tires really 50-622 ERTO?  I 
don't see 700x48 as a choice for those. What is their actual width? I'm 
wondering what I can fit on my fendered Platypus.

Thanks,
Tom W



On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 4:10:26 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

Hi Tom,
I have had 700x42 Continental Speed Rides, 700x44 RH Snoqualmie Pass and 
now 700x48 Schwalbe G one speeds on my Platypus. I like them all, but the 
Schwalbes feel a bit sturdier than the RH. I had some in the past and they 
seemed to wear rather quickly, but I chnage tires a bit so it isn't a bad 
thing for me. Next up will be RH 48mm knobbies, but the G Ones are doing 
well now.
Tom Palmer,
Twin Lake, MI

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Piaw Na]

I've used rain capes for a good 10 years, and they're great except in 
sidewind. The ventilation can't be beat. With a sidewind, turning feels a 
lot more like coming about in a sailboat. I stopped using them because I 
started riding my road bikes off pavement a lot, and full fenders kept 
making noise or getting in the way.  With mountain bike style clip on 
fenders rain capes just don't work as well. Modern rain suits are now much 
more breathable than they used to be so I've gotten used to them as a 
compromise. 

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:00:47 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Contrary opinion from someone who lives in a desert. I recall riding home 
> 5 miles in an immense S Western thunderstorm with howling 3/4 headwind 
> wearing my light Campmore poncho. The rain was coming down so hard that the 
> access road to my street flooded ~2' deep -- the 1 time I've seen that 
> happen; I rode into it and bailed, and it was just below my knees. I was 
> wearing shorts and the poncho has a hood. I was completely dry from throat 
> to thigh and relatively dry from chin to hair (well, at least in back). I 
> was very surprised that the wind didn't bother me much more than it usually 
> does; I had a 64" fixed gear.
>
> Now this sort of experience around here is a once in a decade, but I've 
> used the Campmore (and the 2 Carradices) on 15 mile homebound commutes 
> enough to know that for some people ponchos work well, given that any rain 
> system is going to be a compromise. As always, YMMV.
>
> I still have the Campmore in its little stuffsack and stick it into my bag 
> with a Grunden's hat when it looks like rain, but I've been lucky this 
> season. I wish I'd seized the spats that were on sale here recently.
>
> Patrick "in ABQ, when it rains, it pours" Moore
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 1:42 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, ponchos are for "in case of rain" use in my opinion - and no 
>> replacement for rain kit when there's 100% chance of rain.  Another good 
>> use for them is short rides in the rain so you can simply pull the poncho 
>> off and be wearing your 'normal' clothes straight away. It even keeps your 
>> feet pretty dry if your fender coverage is sufficient, so you don't need an 
>> entire change of clothes for a ten minute ride. 
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>>
>>> I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho once.  
>>> It sucked.
>>>
>>> Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this 
>>> experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet, 
>>> and annoying.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Brian, 

 Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I 
 too consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned 
 it and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much 
 of a tangent :)

 Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My 
 partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't 
 seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a 
 priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed 
 canvas 
 isn't ideal for a poncho imo.  

 On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:

> Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.
>
> Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just 
> skip the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you 
> including that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv 
> customers 
> subscribe to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality. 
>
> If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give 
> me a shout :)
>
> Brian in Saint Louis
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use 
>> this past week, in fact!  
>>
>> Pro's: 
>> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain 
>> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
>> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for 
>> me 
>> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>>
>> Con's: 
>> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would 
>> have been nice for this 
>> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
>> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach 
>> ... suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
>> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like 
>> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood 
>> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, 
>> and they've 

[RBW] Re: 48mm tire choice?

[Tom Palmer]

Hi Tom,
I have had 700x42 Continental Speed Rides, 700x44 RH Snoqualmie Pass and 
now 700x48 Schwalbe G one speeds on my Platypus. I like them all, but the 
Schwalbes feel a bit sturdier than the RH. I had some in the past and they 
seemed to wear rather quickly, but I chnage tires a bit so it isn't a bad 
thing for me. Next up will be RH 48mm knobbies, but the G Ones are doing 
well now.
Tom Palmer,
Twin Lake, MI

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 3:49:16 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Hi, can anyone recommend tires for 90% pavement that are 700x48 for my 
> Platy?  I've gone the cheap route with the Specialized Sawtooth but now I'm 
> ready for something better.  They have to be tough enough to commute on the 
> street every day.
>
> The only tire I can seem to find is the Shikoro. I remember reading some 
> mixed reviews but I couldn't find anything recent here.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom 
> Reston, VA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Patrick Moore]

Contrary opinion from someone who lives in a desert. I recall riding home 5
miles in an immense S Western thunderstorm with howling 3/4 headwind
wearing my light Campmore poncho. The rain was coming down so hard that the
access road to my street flooded ~2' deep -- the 1 time I've seen that
happen; I rode into it and bailed, and it was just below my knees. I was
wearing shorts and the poncho has a hood. I was completely dry from throat
to thigh and relatively dry from chin to hair (well, at least in back). I
was very surprised that the wind didn't bother me much more than it usually
does; I had a 64" fixed gear.

Now this sort of experience around here is a once in a decade, but I've
used the Campmore (and the 2 Carradices) on 15 mile homebound commutes
enough to know that for some people ponchos work well, given that any rain
system is going to be a compromise. As always, YMMV.

I still have the Campmore in its little stuffsack and stick it into my bag
with a Grunden's hat when it looks like rain, but I've been lucky this
season. I wish I'd seized the spats that were on sale here recently.

Patrick "in ABQ, when it rains, it pours" Moore

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 1:42 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Yeah, ponchos are for "in case of rain" use in my opinion - and no
> replacement for rain kit when there's 100% chance of rain.  Another good
> use for them is short rides in the rain so you can simply pull the poncho
> off and be wearing your 'normal' clothes straight away. It even keeps your
> feet pretty dry if your fender coverage is sufficient, so you don't need an
> entire change of clothes for a ten minute ride.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>
>> I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho once.
>> It sucked.
>>
>> Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this
>> experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet,
>> and annoying.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I
>>> too consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned
>>> it and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much
>>> of a tangent :)
>>>
>>> Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My
>>> partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't
>>> seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a
>>> priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed canvas
>>> isn't ideal for a poncho imo.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.

 Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just
 skip the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you
 including that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers
 subscribe to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality.

 If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give
 me a shout :)

 Brian in Saint Louis
 On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use
> this past week, in fact!
>
> Pro's:
> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain
> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me
> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>
> Con's:
> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would
> have been nice for this
> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ...
> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like
> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood
> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks,
> and they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really
> cool.
>
> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's
> 100% rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the
> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  
> But
> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, 
> it's
> perfect.
>
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after
>> being poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that
>> Rivendell used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has 
>> served
>> me very well in the few pours 

[RBW] Re: 1947 French touring bike — Bombadil/Hunqapillar inspiration?

[Joe Bernard]

Tentacular! My dubious claim to fame is I called them tentacles here, then 
Grant replied with tentacular..I'm very proud 

THAT WAS 9 YEARS AGO? 

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 12:37:06 PM UTC-8 Jeremy Till wrote:

> Such "Twin Lateral" reinforcements were fairly common on taller and 
> heavier-duty French touring bikes of the mid-to-late 20th century, and have 
> been featured in Bicycle Quarterly. They're generally found on bikes 
> intended for carrying heavy camping loads (hence "Campeur") rather than, 
> say, a "Randonneur" intended for more moderate loads and more "spirited" 
> riding. It's not unheard of to see lighter-duty bikes with reinforcements, 
> however, especially if they're intended for bigger/stronger bikes. I even 
> recall seeing a racing frameset from an Italian builder of a very large 
> size that featured Bombadil-esque reinforcements.
>
> Here's another example of a French Campeur: 
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsjuLmnvw
>
> Hard to say if such bikes were an inspiration for Breezer #1, maybe 
> somebody can ask Joe Breeze next time they're at the Marin Museum. It 
> wouldn't be impossible, given cycling's popularity in the Bay Area, that he 
> might have encountered such a bike before building his own. 
>
> Grant designed a custom with true twin lateral reinforcements back in 
> 2014, except they were "tentacular" in that one curved up to the seatstay 
> and the other curved down to the chainstay:
>
> https://flic.kr/p/mjNfJc
>
> It was for a relatively short rider who wouldn't normally have warranted 
> such reinforcement on their frame but I recall it was a specific request 
> from the customer, who was enamored with the "tentacular" diagatube setup 
> on the Proto-Appaloosa/"Mystery Bikes" (which were the genesis of the whole 
> "long chainstay" ethos, but that's another thread). She was a former list 
> member who went by the handle "Riv Chica Warrior," IIRC, and she had won 
> the frame in some kind of raffle that they held back then. Grant didn't 
> feel there was enough room on the headtube to braze in a full diagatube so 
> he went with the smaller diameter twin laterals.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA 
>
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 6:38:03 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>
>> I'm starting a new thread here instead of pushing Eric M's epic 
>> mid-December thread "Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive 
>> thread " 
>> further afield.
>>
>> I have assumed that Joe Breeze's Breezer 1 
>>  
>> was 
>> the main inspiration for Bombadill and Hunqapillar designs. But after 
>> stumbling upon this fascinating *Bombapillar-like* French bike on eBay 
>> , I'm not so sure. The seller 
>> says it's a 1947 650b model, but info about it is scarce.The eBay page has 
>> a few other pics, too. The middle diagonal tube looks super cool to me.
>>
>> Is anyone here familiar with this bike? I'd love to hear about it if 
>> you've got info or history to share. I wonder if it was an actual 
>> production model or more of a one-off custom. 
>>
>> It looks robust, and has wide tires, a lugged stem (I think?), funky 
>> brake and shift levers, clean welds, racks, hammered fenders, generator 
>> lighting. I think it would be familiar in a crowd of Rivs, not a total 
>> oddball, anyway. 
>>
>> Curious what others think.
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> Jim
>>
>> (This photo would've been apropos on the cool thread "Celebrating 
>> Triangulation 
>> " 
>> from Sept. 24.)
>>
>> [image: 1947 French Bombapillar s-l1600-2.jpeg]
>>
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Steven Sweedler]

Are the ponchos being discussed the same as rain capes. I have a Jackson &
Gibbons cape that keeps me very dry as long as there is not much wind, if
its windy I much prefer a jacket and pants (depending on temperature).
Steve

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 3:43 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Yeah, ponchos are for "in case of rain" use in my opinion - and no
> replacement for rain kit when there's 100% chance of rain.  Another good
> use for them is short rides in the rain so you can simply pull the poncho
> off and be wearing your 'normal' clothes straight away. It even keeps your
> feet pretty dry if your fender coverage is sufficient, so you don't need an
> entire change of clothes for a ten minute ride.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>
>> I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho once.
>> It sucked.
>>
>> Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this
>> experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet,
>> and annoying.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I
>>> too consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned
>>> it and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much
>>> of a tangent :)
>>>
>>> Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My
>>> partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't
>>> seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a
>>> priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed canvas
>>> isn't ideal for a poncho imo.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.

 Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just
 skip the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you
 including that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers
 subscribe to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality.

 If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give
 me a shout :)

 Brian in Saint Louis
 On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use
> this past week, in fact!
>
> Pro's:
> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain
> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me
> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>
> Con's:
> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would
> have been nice for this
> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ...
> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like
> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood
> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks,
> and they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really
> cool.
>
> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's
> 100% rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the
> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  
> But
> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, 
> it's
> perfect.
>
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after
>> being poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that
>> Rivendell used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has 
>> served
>> me very well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being
>> crucial. When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning
>> towards the waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics
>> and synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for
>> urban riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just
>> used my sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in 
>> the
>> bag. Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop 
>> sack
>> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a
>> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers
>>> can’t tell how big or small you are, or what 

Re: [RBW] Re: 1947 French touring bike — Bombadil/Hunqapillar inspiration?

[Steven Sweedler]

I met a rider during Bikecentennial that had similar diagonal stay added to
a Raleigh Professional. He was happy with the result. No pictures though.
Steve

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 3:37 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Such "Twin Lateral" reinforcements were fairly common on taller and
> heavier-duty French touring bikes of the mid-to-late 20th century, and have
> been featured in Bicycle Quarterly. They're generally found on bikes
> intended for carrying heavy camping loads (hence "Campeur") rather than,
> say, a "Randonneur" intended for more moderate loads and more "spirited"
> riding. It's not unheard of to see lighter-duty bikes with reinforcements,
> however, especially if they're intended for bigger/stronger bikes. I even
> recall seeing a racing frameset from an Italian builder of a very large
> size that featured Bombadil-esque reinforcements.
>
> Here's another example of a French Campeur:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsjuLmnvw
>
> Hard to say if such bikes were an inspiration for Breezer #1, maybe
> somebody can ask Joe Breeze next time they're at the Marin Museum. It
> wouldn't be impossible, given cycling's popularity in the Bay Area, that he
> might have encountered such a bike before building his own.
>
> Grant designed a custom with true twin lateral reinforcements back in
> 2014, except they were "tentacular" in that one curved up to the seatstay
> and the other curved down to the chainstay:
>
> https://flic.kr/p/mjNfJc
>
> It was for a relatively short rider who wouldn't normally have warranted
> such reinforcement on their frame but I recall it was a specific request
> from the customer, who was enamored with the "tentacular" diagatube setup
> on the Proto-Appaloosa/"Mystery Bikes" (which were the genesis of the whole
> "long chainstay" ethos, but that's another thread). She was a former list
> member who went by the handle "Riv Chica Warrior," IIRC, and she had won
> the frame in some kind of raffle that they held back then. Grant didn't
> feel there was enough room on the headtube to braze in a full diagatube so
> he went with the smaller diameter twin laterals.
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 6:38:03 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>
>> I'm starting a new thread here instead of pushing Eric M's epic
>> mid-December thread "Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive
>> thread "
>> further afield.
>>
>> I have assumed that Joe Breeze's Breezer 1
>>  
>> was
>> the main inspiration for Bombadill and Hunqapillar designs. But after
>> stumbling upon this fascinating *Bombapillar-like* French bike on eBay
>> , I'm not so sure. The seller
>> says it's a 1947 650b model, but info about it is scarce.The eBay page has
>> a few other pics, too. The middle diagonal tube looks super cool to me.
>>
>> Is anyone here familiar with this bike? I'd love to hear about it if
>> you've got info or history to share. I wonder if it was an actual
>> production model or more of a one-off custom.
>>
>> It looks robust, and has wide tires, a lugged stem (I think?), funky
>> brake and shift levers, clean welds, racks, hammered fenders, generator
>> lighting. I think it would be familiar in a crowd of Rivs, not a total
>> oddball, anyway.
>>
>> Curious what others think.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Jim
>>
>> (This photo would've been apropos on the cool thread "Celebrating
>> Triangulation
>> "
>> from Sept. 24.)
>>
>> [image: 1947 French Bombapillar s-l1600-2.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] 48mm tire choice?

[Tom Wyland]

Hi, can anyone recommend tires for 90% pavement that are 700x48 for my 
Platy?  I've gone the cheap route with the Specialized Sawtooth but now I'm 
ready for something better.  They have to be tough enough to commute on the 
street every day.

The only tire I can seem to find is the Shikoro. I remember reading some 
mixed reviews but I couldn't find anything recent here.

Thanks,
Tom 
Reston, VA

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Jason Fuller]

Yeah, ponchos are for "in case of rain" use in my opinion - and no
replacement for rain kit when there's 100% chance of rain.  Another good
use for them is short rides in the rain so you can simply pull the poncho
off and be wearing your 'normal' clothes straight away. It even keeps your
feet pretty dry if your fender coverage is sufficient, so you don't need an
entire change of clothes for a ten minute ride.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:33 PM Will Boericke  wrote:

> I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho once.
> It sucked.
>
> Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this
> experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet,
> and annoying.
>
> Will
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I
>> too consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned
>> it and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much
>> of a tangent :)
>>
>> Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My
>> partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't
>> seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a
>> priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed canvas
>> isn't ideal for a poncho imo.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.
>>>
>>> Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just
>>> skip the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you
>>> including that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers
>>> subscribe to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality.
>>>
>>> If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give me
>>> a shout :)
>>>
>>> Brian in Saint Louis
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use
 this past week, in fact!

 Pro's:
 - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain
 - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
 - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me
 - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease

 Con's:
 - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would
 have been nice for this
 - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
 - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ...
 suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
 - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like
 effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood
 - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks,
 and they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really
 cool.

 Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100%
 rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the
 poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But
 for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's
 perfect.

 On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:

> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after
> being poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that
> Rivendell used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has 
> served
> me very well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being
> crucial. When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning
> towards the waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics
> and synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for
> urban riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just
> used my sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the
> bag. Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack
> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a
> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>
> -Stephen
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers
>> can’t tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… 
>> might
>> as well mess with ‘em!
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>>
>>
>>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride
>> home from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall
>> size for more coverage
>> 

[RBW] Re: 1947 French touring bike — Bombadil/Hunqapillar inspiration?

[Jeremy Till]

Such "Twin Lateral" reinforcements were fairly common on taller and 
heavier-duty French touring bikes of the mid-to-late 20th century, and have 
been featured in Bicycle Quarterly. They're generally found on bikes 
intended for carrying heavy camping loads (hence "Campeur") rather than, 
say, a "Randonneur" intended for more moderate loads and more "spirited" 
riding. It's not unheard of to see lighter-duty bikes with reinforcements, 
however, especially if they're intended for bigger/stronger bikes. I even 
recall seeing a racing frameset from an Italian builder of a very large 
size that featured Bombadil-esque reinforcements.

Here's another example of a French Campeur: 
https://flic.kr/s/aHsjuLmnvw

Hard to say if such bikes were an inspiration for Breezer #1, maybe 
somebody can ask Joe Breeze next time they're at the Marin Museum. It 
wouldn't be impossible, given cycling's popularity in the Bay Area, that he 
might have encountered such a bike before building his own. 

Grant designed a custom with true twin lateral reinforcements back in 2014, 
except they were "tentacular" in that one curved up to the seatstay and the 
other curved down to the chainstay:

https://flic.kr/p/mjNfJc

It was for a relatively short rider who wouldn't normally have warranted 
such reinforcement on their frame but I recall it was a specific request 
from the customer, who was enamored with the "tentacular" diagatube setup 
on the Proto-Appaloosa/"Mystery Bikes" (which were the genesis of the whole 
"long chainstay" ethos, but that's another thread). She was a former list 
member who went by the handle "Riv Chica Warrior," IIRC, and she had won 
the frame in some kind of raffle that they held back then. Grant didn't 
feel there was enough room on the headtube to braze in a full diagatube so 
he went with the smaller diameter twin laterals.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA 


On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 6:38:03 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:

> I'm starting a new thread here instead of pushing Eric M's epic 
> mid-December thread "Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive 
> thread " 
> further afield.
>
> I have assumed that Joe Breeze's Breezer 1 
>  
> was 
> the main inspiration for Bombadill and Hunqapillar designs. But after 
> stumbling upon this fascinating *Bombapillar-like* French bike on eBay 
> , I'm not so sure. The seller says 
> it's a 1947 650b model, but info about it is scarce.The eBay page has a few 
> other pics, too. The middle diagonal tube looks super cool to me.
>
> Is anyone here familiar with this bike? I'd love to hear about it if 
> you've got info or history to share. I wonder if it was an actual 
> production model or more of a one-off custom. 
>
> It looks robust, and has wide tires, a lugged stem (I think?), funky brake 
> and shift levers, clean welds, racks, hammered fenders, generator lighting. 
> I think it would be familiar in a crowd of Rivs, not a total oddball, 
> anyway. 
>
> Curious what others think.
>
> Thanks! 
> Jim
>
> (This photo would've been apropos on the cool thread "Celebrating 
> Triangulation 
> " 
> from Sept. 24.)
>
> [image: 1947 French Bombapillar s-l1600-2.jpeg]
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Will Boericke]

I ride in the rain frequently (commuter).  I tried it in a poncho once.  It 
sucked.

Perhaps there are bike specific ponchos that miraculously reclaim this 
experience through some technological innovations, but it was loud, wet, 
and annoying.

Will

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:43:10 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Brian, 
>
> Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I too 
> consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned it 
> and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much of 
> a tangent :)
>
> Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My 
> partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't 
> seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a 
> priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed canvas 
> isn't ideal for a poncho imo.  
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.
>>
>> Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just skip 
>> the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you including 
>> that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers subscribe 
>> to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality. 
>>
>> If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give me 
>> a shout :)
>>
>> Brian in Saint Louis
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use 
>>> this past week, in fact!  
>>>
>>> Pro's: 
>>> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain 
>>> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
>>> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me 
>>> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>>>
>>> Con's: 
>>> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would have 
>>> been nice for this 
>>> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
>>> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ... 
>>> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
>>> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like 
>>> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood 
>>> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, 
>>> and they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really 
>>> cool. 
>>>
>>> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100% 
>>> rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the 
>>> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But 
>>> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's 
>>> perfect.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
 poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
 used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
 well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
 When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
 waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
 synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
 riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
 sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
 Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
 combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
 shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.

 -Stephen

 On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers 
> can’t tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… 
> might 
> as well mess with ‘em!
>
> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>
>
>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride 
> home from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall 
> size for more coverage 
> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341 
>  
>
> Roberta
>
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all, 
>> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try 
>> and be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have 
>> decided that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd 
>> love to hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full 
>> coverage (including 

Re: [RBW] Re: Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Thanks Dave!

Bummer that V-O 650B fenders max out at 58mm.  Honjos are out of my price
range…  There is a 68mm(!) Tanaka that is “cheap” enough but I fear will
require more manipulation than I prefer.  I’ve seen the really nice looking
indentations for fork blades and seat stays, but I have no idea how to
neatly do that and I’m pretty particular about stuff…

Doug


On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 1:13 PM DavidP  wrote:

> Hi Doug,
>
> Luke recently posted that he was able to squeeze Flat 65s on his Atlantis
>  but it
> wasn't a slam dunk. In the same thread, brizbarn posted that VO Fluted
> 63mm fenders just fit his 700c Joe
> 
> .
>
> I've been following such posts with interest as I consider fendering my
> Platypus.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:30:29 PM UTC-5 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Howdy folks.
>>
>> What are the widest fenders that fit a JA (650B, if it matters) without
>> any manipulation?  I don’t have mine assembled yet, but I have SKS P50s
>> that have previously been on the bike and a set of never mounted V-O 52mm
>> Zeppelins.  If something wider fits without cutting etc. I would probably
>> prefer that…
>>
>> Thanks, Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[DavidP]

Hi Doug,

Luke recently posted that he was able to squeeze Flat 65s on his Atlantis 
 but it wasn't 
a slam dunk. In the same thread, brizbarn posted that VO Fluted 63mm 
fenders just fit his 700c Joe 
.

I've been following such posts with interest as I consider fendering my 
Platypus.

-Dave

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:30:29 PM UTC-5 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> What are the widest fenders that fit a JA (650B, if it matters) without 
> any manipulation?  I don’t have mine assembled yet, but I have SKS P50s 
> that have previously been on the bike and a set of never mounted V-O 52mm 
> Zeppelins.  If something wider fits without cutting etc. I would probably 
> prefer that…
>
> Thanks, Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[DavidP]

Luke recently posted that he was able to squeeze Flat 65s on his Atlantis 
 but it wasn't 
a slam dunk. In the same thread, brizbarn posted that VO Fluted 63mm 
fenders just fit his 700c Joe 
.

-Dave

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 2:30:29 PM UTC-5 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> What are the widest fenders that fit a JA (650B, if it matters) without 
> any manipulation?  I don’t have mine assembled yet, but I have SKS P50s 
> that have previously been on the bike and a set of never mounted V-O 52mm 
> Zeppelins.  If something wider fits without cutting etc. I would probably 
> prefer that…
>
> Thanks, Doug
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Jason Fuller]

Brian,

Yes.. I hesitated a moment on the recommendation for that point, and I too
consider it an important topic - I didn't realize until after I owned it
and had used it - but also didn't want to send your topic into too much of
a tangent :)

Several of my riding buddies have the Cleverhood poncho and love it. My
partner has a waxed canvas poncho from Bramble and Mr Twigg but it hasn't
seen much use yet to comment on performance. Avoiding plastics is a
priority for me as much as possible, but the heavier weight of waxed canvas
isn't ideal for a poncho imo.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:29 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:

> Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.
>
> Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just skip
> the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you including
> that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers subscribe
> to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality.
>
> If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give me a
> shout :)
>
> Brian in Saint Louis
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use this
>> past week, in fact!
>>
>> Pro's:
>> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain
>> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
>> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me
>> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>>
>> Con's:
>> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would have
>> been nice for this
>> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
>> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ...
>> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
>> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like
>> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood
>> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, and
>> they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really cool.
>>
>> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100%
>> rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the
>> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But
>> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's
>> perfect.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being
>>> poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell
>>> used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very
>>> well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial.
>>> When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the
>>> waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and
>>> synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban
>>> riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my
>>> sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag.
>>> Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack
>>> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a
>>> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>>>
>>> -Stephen
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers
 can’t tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might
 as well mess with ‘em!

 On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:

 More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.


  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home
 from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size
 for more coverage
 https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341


 Roberta


 On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all,
> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try
> and be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have
> decided that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd
> love to hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full
> coverage (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are
> going to be varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on
> PONCHOS
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Alex
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[RBW] Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Howdy folks.

What are the widest fenders that fit a JA (650B, if it matters) without any
manipulation?  I don’t have mine assembled yet, but I have SKS P50s that
have previously been on the bike and a set of never mounted V-O 52mm
Zeppelins.  If something wider fits without cutting etc. I would probably
prefer that…

Thanks, Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Brian Forsee]

Thanks for the info all... I've been wanting to give a poncho a try.

Jason.. on your list of cons how wide is 'wide'? Although I may just skip 
the peoples based on your ownership comment. I appreciate you including 
that information in your review. I suspect lots of Riv customers subscribe 
to the 'vote-with-your' dollar mentality. 

If anyone is holding a Riv/Grundens that would fit a 6'-2" human give me a 
shout :)

Brian in Saint Louis
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use this 
> past week, in fact!  
>
> Pro's: 
> - Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain 
> - Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
> - Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me 
> - Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease
>
> Con's: 
> - Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would have 
> been nice for this 
> - Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
> - Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ... 
> suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
> - I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like 
> effect tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood 
> - Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, and 
> they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really cool. 
>
> Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100% 
> rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the 
> poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But 
> for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's 
> perfect.  
>
> On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
>> poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
>> used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
>> well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
>> When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
>> waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
>> synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
>> riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
>> sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
>> Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
>> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
>> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers 
>>> can’t tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might 
>>> as well mess with ‘em!
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home 
>>> from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for 
>>> more coverage 
>>> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey all, 
 Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try 
 and be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have 
 decided that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd 
 love to hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full 
 coverage (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are 
 going to be varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on 
 PONCHOS

 Thanks for reading,
 Alex

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Jason Fuller]

I have and use the People's Poncho - it's been getting plenty of use this 
past week, in fact!  

Pro's: 
- Keeps you impressively dry, even in heavier rain 
- Waist strap and hand loops work well to keep it in place as you ride
- Front pocket is pretty useful and has proven fully waterproof for me 
- Packs small and fits into its stuff sack with ease

Con's: 
- Can't pull it over my head with my helmet on; a quarter zip would have 
been nice for this 
- Like any poncho, it gets real flappy over 25 kph
- Doesn't work as well with wide bars, or drop bars, or long reach ... 
suits a typical Riv fit nice though!
- I find it hard on the neck if you use the hood, as the 'sail' like effect 
tugs on your head then .. so I just don't use the hood 
- Not performance related but .. the company is owned by white folks, and 
they've appropriated culture for the purpose of profit.. not really cool. 

Overall I'd recommend it, though - really happy I have it. If it's 100% 
rainy out I will instead opt for rain pants and a rain shell, not the 
poncho, for better mobility and less fuss.  Also less dorky I think :)  But 
for days where you might not need rain protection, but you also might, it's 
perfect.  

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 08:55:55 UTC-8 Stephen wrote:

> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
> poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
> used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
> well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
> When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
> waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
> synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
> riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
> sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
> Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>
> -Stephen
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers can’t 
>> tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might as 
>> well mess with ‘em!
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>>
>>
>>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home 
>> from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for 
>> more coverage 
>> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, 
>>> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
>>> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
>>> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
>>> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
>>> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
>>> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading,
>>> Alex
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Patrick Moore]

The Duxback waxed cotton cape is or was very well designed; I commuted in
it during a couple of summer monsoon seasons. But I daresay it's best for a
cool British climate; at least I found it too hot -- it made me sweat --
riding home at 70*F in the rain. Also, it was quite a bit bulkier to hang
and dry than Carradice's bright yellow nylon cape, which I found too
constricting for drop bars. I now use ("use" -- we get 9" a year, most in
the summer, but I do use it) a $29.99 Campmore nylon cycling cape which
works well, folds very small, but requires sewn-in weights at the rear to
keep it down. I think that Campmore no longer carries them, though.


On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 9:55 AM Stephen  wrote:

> I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being
> poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell
> used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very
> well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial.
> When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the
> waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and
> synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban
> riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my
> sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag.
> Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack
> combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a
> shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.
>
> -Stephen
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Legos!

[Patrick Moore]

That looks like the box of Duplos (or "Duplo pl") that I bought for my
daughter when she was quite young. I recall playing with her building
things; better than interminable princess tea parties! Good to know that
the raw material kits are still available.

My brother just told me that his son friends used about $2K worth of
Playmobil and not Lego to build their civilization, but still more or less
general kits and not theme kits, or at least not media theme kits.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 8:58 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:

> Patrick,
> They still offer plenty of options for buckets of misc bricks:
> https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/lego-medium-creative-brick-box-10696
>
> I think it's a good balance. The theme sets are great for learning to
> follow instructions and developing different spatial thinking skills, and
> def get kids excited to build something from their favorite show or movie.
> The freestyle sets are great for creativity and exploration.
>
> But yeah, millennials really go hard on nostalgia and will spend big bucks
> on kits that combine their favorite childhood pastime with their favorite
> childhood media.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:43:13 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> It has been 16+ years since I bought my daughter little kid/big size
>> Legos, but I seem to recall that back in the old days (he said bitterly)
>> that Legos were simply standard shapes out of which the child could build
>> whatever he or she imagined. I know that 25 years ago or so my then
>> elementary school age nephew and a couple of friends built a whole
>> civilization out of Legos that lasted several years -- I seem to recall it
>> was a mix of violent Viking barbarism and Roman jurisprudence, with its own
>> constitution and code of draconian laws. They had not heard of Boxen. Is it
>> all theme kits nowadays?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:35 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/the-lord-of-the-rings-rivendell-10316?icmp=HP-SHH-Standard-VIP_Hero_10316_LOTR_Rivendell_VIP_Live_HP-PR-VIP-YZ0GDAOVIG
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>>> Someone has to build this!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long ride on a Sam Hillborne

[Tom Horton]

Every yr around my birthday i ride my age  78 coming upSomeday i will loseOr get an ebikeSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 7, 2023, at 1:39 PM, lconley  wrote:What stem are you using? I like that a lot better than the open face welded steel stems that Riv carries.LaingOn Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 12:59:30 PM UTC-5 jak...@me.com wrote:Great ride Paul.  If I may inquire, what handlebars are you using?  They appear to have more flare than my Albatross.  If I make a switch to thumbies, your set up appears ideal - love the Ergons.I live in "The Town of Murals".  They make for wonderful photo backdrops, and only 3 miles away!  But I like your thinking.  The photo is far better to have been earned.On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 8:14:35 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:Very cool ride Paul. So often destinations make together a chain of miles you never thought you'd compile or set out on purpose to ride. Deb of Rivet Cycleworks is clearly a mural art fan and often shows them as points along her rides documented on her IG feed. That fifth picture appears to be by Dan Kitchener, the UK rattle can artist/muralist. He did his first US mural a couple miles from me on the side of a bar that had recently renovated and had an big blank side facing the side street intersection. Andy CheathamPittsburghOn Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 8:19:35 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:At least it was a long ride for me.This was last Monday, February 27.I had planned on 40 miles for this ride.It was one of those days that weather, the bike, energy levels, motivation and I guess the stars alignments all synched up.My missus called a few hours into it and wanted to meet on the trail and ride some too.I already had 30 miles when I meet her and we did 21 together so I had 51 on arrival back homewhich would have been a good day for me as 40 or so is usually one of my long rides.But I decided to go for more on my own so I had a snack and hopped back on the Sam.When I hit 60 miles and didn't feel like stopping.Why not try for 70 I thought?At 70 I thought I'll do 3 more to commemorate an upcoming advancing further into geezer hood birthday.So it was a long but satisfying unplanned 73 mile ride.On the route I took I rode south from the northern portion of Dallas county to downtown Dallas, through downtown to Deep Ellum ( that's a funky and artsy area east of downtown).That area has lots of wall murals.Then I picked up the Santa Fe trail that leads to White Rock Lake.I rode the While Rock Lake trails for a while, met up with my Missus and repeated some more of the White Rock trails.After taking off again from home I rode some of the northern trails and then began to zig zag through familiar neighborhoods to rack up extra miles.My  Sam was very comfortable on the entire ride.It sports 700 x 43 Gravel King SS+ tires that help a lot on the bumpy streets of the area.I was tired at the end and also the next day but the next day my missus wanted to ride to the library in 85 degree temps so we got in 10 more miles. I think that 10 miles in the heat helped the soreness.Some might think upright bars would not work for that sort of distance but they worked fine for me.At any rate at my age I felt it was a bit of an epic ride.The attached photos were taken at stops along the way.Paul in Dallas 



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[RBW] Re: Long ride on a Sam Hillborne

[lconley]

What stem are you using? I like that a lot better than the open face welded 
steel stems that Riv carries.

Laing

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 12:59:30 PM UTC-5 jak...@me.com wrote:

Great ride Paul.  If I may inquire, what handlebars are you using?  They 
appear to have more flare than my Albatross.  If I make a switch to 
thumbies, your set up appears ideal - love the Ergons.

I live in "The Town of Murals".  They make for wonderful photo backdrops, 
and only 3 miles away!  But I like your thinking.  The photo is far better 
to have been earned.

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 8:14:35 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

Very cool ride Paul. So often destinations make together a chain of miles 
you never thought you'd compile or set out on purpose to ride. Deb of Rivet 
Cycleworks is clearly a mural art fan and often shows them as points along 
her rides documented on her IG feed. 

That fifth picture appears to be by Dan Kitchener, the UK rattle can 
artist/muralist. He did his first US mural 
 a couple 
miles from me on the side of a bar that had recently renovated and had an 
big blank side facing the side street intersection. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 8:19:35 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:






At least it was a long ride for me.

This was last Monday, February 27.


I had planned on 40 miles for this ride.

It was one of those days that weather, the bike, energy levels, motivation 
and I guess the stars alignments all synched up.

My missus called a few hours into it and wanted to meet on the trail and 
ride some too.

I already had 30 miles when I meet her and we did 21 together so I had 51 
on arrival back home
which would have been a good day for me as 40 or so is usually one of my 
long rides.

But I decided to go for more on my own so I had a snack and hopped back on 
the Sam.

When I hit 60 miles and didn't feel like stopping.

Why not try for 70 I thought?

At 70 I thought I'll do 3 more to commemorate an upcoming advancing further 
into geezer hood birthday.

So it was a long but satisfying unplanned 73 mile ride.

On the route I took I rode south from the northern portion of Dallas county 
to downtown Dallas, through downtown to Deep Ellum ( that's a funky and 
artsy area east of downtown).
That area has lots of wall murals.

Then I picked up the Santa Fe trail that leads to White Rock Lake.

I rode the While Rock Lake trails for a while, met up with my Missus and 
repeated some more of the White Rock trails.

After taking off again from home I rode some of the northern trails and 
then began to zig zag through familiar neighborhoods to rack up extra miles.

My  Sam was very comfortable on the entire ride.

It sports 700 x 43 Gravel King SS+ tires that help a lot on the bumpy 
streets of the area.

I was tired at the end and also the next day but the next day my missus 
wanted to ride to the library in 85 degree temps so we got in 10 more 
miles. 
I think that 10 miles in the heat helped the soreness.

Some might think upright bars would not work for that sort of distance but 
they worked fine for me.

At any rate at my age I felt it was a bit of an epic ride.

The attached photos were taken at stops along the way.

Paul in Dallas 






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[RBW] Re: Long ride on a Sam Hillborne

['Slacky Mac' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great ride Paul.  If I may inquire, what handlebars are you using?  They 
appear to have more flare than my Albatross.  If I make a switch to 
thumbies, your set up appears ideal - love the Ergons.

I live in "The Town of Murals".  They make for wonderful photo backdrops, 
and only 3 miles away!  But I like your thinking.  The photo is far better 
to have been earned.

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 8:14:35 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> Very cool ride Paul. So often destinations make together a chain of miles 
> you never thought you'd compile or set out on purpose to ride. Deb of Rivet 
> Cycleworks is clearly a mural art fan and often shows them as points along 
> her rides documented on her IG feed. 
>
> That fifth picture appears to be by Dan Kitchener, the UK rattle can 
> artist/muralist. He did his first US mural 
>  a couple 
> miles from me on the side of a bar that had recently renovated and had an 
> big blank side facing the side street intersection. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 8:19:35 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At least it was a long ride for me.
>>
>> This was last Monday, February 27.
>>
>>
>> I had planned on 40 miles for this ride.
>>
>> It was one of those days that weather, the bike, energy levels, 
>> motivation and I guess the stars alignments all synched up.
>>
>> My missus called a few hours into it and wanted to meet on the trail and 
>> ride some too.
>>
>> I already had 30 miles when I meet her and we did 21 together so I had 51 
>> on arrival back home
>> which would have been a good day for me as 40 or so is usually one of my 
>> long rides.
>>
>> But I decided to go for more on my own so I had a snack and hopped back 
>> on the Sam.
>>
>> When I hit 60 miles and didn't feel like stopping.
>>
>> Why not try for 70 I thought?
>>
>> At 70 I thought I'll do 3 more to commemorate an upcoming advancing 
>> further into geezer hood birthday.
>>
>> So it was a long but satisfying unplanned 73 mile ride.
>>
>> On the route I took I rode south from the northern portion of Dallas 
>> county to downtown Dallas, through downtown to Deep Ellum ( that's a funky 
>> and artsy area east of downtown).
>> That area has lots of wall murals.
>>
>> Then I picked up the Santa Fe trail that leads to White Rock Lake.
>>
>> I rode the While Rock Lake trails for a while, met up with my Missus and 
>> repeated some more of the White Rock trails.
>>
>> After taking off again from home I rode some of the northern trails and 
>> then began to zig zag through familiar neighborhoods to rack up extra miles.
>>
>> My  Sam was very comfortable on the entire ride.
>>
>> It sports 700 x 43 Gravel King SS+ tires that help a lot on the bumpy 
>> streets of the area.
>>
>> I was tired at the end and also the next day but the next day my missus 
>> wanted to ride to the library in 85 degree temps so we got in 10 more 
>> miles. 
>> I think that 10 miles in the heat helped the soreness.
>>
>> Some might think upright bars would not work for that sort of distance 
>> but they worked fine for me.
>>
>> At any rate at my age I felt it was a bit of an epic ride.
>>
>> The attached photos were taken at stops along the way.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] PSA Sale on Shimano Deore M591 9-Speed Rear Derailleur

[maxcr]

With all the news about Shimano discontinuing lines and what not, I thought 
it might be wise to stash a couple of things just in case, but I didn't 
want to spend a lot...

I found the Shimano Deore M591 9-Speed Rear Derailleur on sale at REI for 
$38.93, that's not bad for good performing RD, it's not silver, but at that 
price I'll take it.

https://www.rei.com/product/798943/shimano-deore-m591-9-speed-rear-derailleur

Hope this is helpful
Max

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Stephen]

I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.

-Stephen

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers can’t 
> tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might as 
> well mess with ‘em!
>
> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>
>
>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home 
> from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for 
> more coverage 
> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  
>
> Roberta
>
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all, 
>> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
>> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
>> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
>> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
>> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
>> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>>
>> Thanks for reading,
>> Alex
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Legos!

[Paul Clifton]

Patrick,
They still offer plenty of options for buckets of misc bricks: 
https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/lego-medium-creative-brick-box-10696

I think it's a good balance. The theme sets are great for learning to 
follow instructions and developing different spatial thinking skills, and 
def get kids excited to build something from their favorite show or movie. 
The freestyle sets are great for creativity and exploration.

But yeah, millennials really go hard on nostalgia and will spend big bucks 
on kits that combine their favorite childhood pastime with their favorite 
childhood media.

Paul in AR

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:43:13 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It has been 16+ years since I bought my daughter little kid/big size 
> Legos, but I seem to recall that back in the old days (he said bitterly) 
> that Legos were simply standard shapes out of which the child could build 
> whatever he or she imagined. I know that 25 years ago or so my then 
> elementary school age nephew and a couple of friends built a whole 
> civilization out of Legos that lasted several years -- I seem to recall it 
> was a mix of violent Viking barbarism and Roman jurisprudence, with its own 
> constitution and code of draconian laws. They had not heard of Boxen. Is it 
> all theme kits nowadays?
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:35 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/the-lord-of-the-rings-rivendell-10316?icmp=HP-SHH-Standard-VIP_Hero_10316_LOTR_Rivendell_VIP_Live_HP-PR-VIP-YZ0GDAOVIG
>>
>> Someone has to build this! 
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[RBW] Re: FS: White Industries, Pacenti, Ibex

[Michael Ullmer]

White Industries freewheel is sold, others remain

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 4:01:28 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Cross posting from I-bob:
>
> 1) White Industries 17t Freewheel - $50
> --In great shape, a few cosmetic markings on the red face.
>
> 2) Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 1.5"/38mm Tires - $50
> --brand new. I bought these as a backup in case my Trek 650b conversion 
> didn't fit 42s, which it does! These are the tan version.
>
> 3) Ibex Wool Liner Gloves - $25
> --Used, no holes or rips. A little big for my hands.
>
> Prices are net to me and don't include shipping. I'll plan on shipping 
> using Pirateship.
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NUVwxCyfpTP6Um4X6
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
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[RBW] Re: 1947 French touring bike — Bombadil/Hunqapillar inspiration?

[Den John]

Horizontal double top-tubes like on the Bombadil-Hunqapillar are quite 
common on Dutch and Belgian town and cargo bikes. 
I wonder if this 

 
1920s Labor racing bike was the inspiration for the rainbow tube on the 
Atlantis.

Cheers,
Johnny in Belgium

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 14:49:38 UTC+1 lconley wrote:

> Note that Grant does not use twin tubes for the diagonals from the head 
> tube - he uses a single tube, even on the mixte-ish frames and tandems. As 
> far as I know he has only done one frame with twin diagonal tubes, does 
> anyone know of another?
>
> [image: WorkS.jpg]
>
> One thing that I know about that French bike is that the stem is not 
> lugged, the French were fond of casting aluminum stems that looked lugged, 
> but were not. Pivo, AVA and ATAX were among them. There is an AVA stem that 
> is known as the death stem due its tendency to crack completely through, 
> maybe they have moved on to carbon fiber now. That stem on that bike looks 
> like a Pivo due to the elongated oval around the name - cannot make it out, 
> but AVA used a diamond shape.
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> Laing
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> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:38:03 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
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>> I'm starting a new thread here instead of pushing Eric M's epic 
>> mid-December thread "Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive 
>> thread " 
>> further afield.
>>
>> I have assumed that Joe Breeze's Breezer 1 
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>> was 
>> the main inspiration for Bombadill and Hunqapillar designs. But after 
>> stumbling upon this fascinating *Bombapillar-like* French bike on eBay 
>> , I'm not so sure. The seller 
>> says it's a 1947 650b model, but info about it is scarce.The eBay page has 
>> a few other pics, too. The middle diagonal tube looks super cool to me.
>>
>> Is anyone here familiar with this bike? I'd love to hear about it if 
>> you've got info or history to share. I wonder if it was an actual 
>> production model or more of a one-off custom. 
>>
>> It looks robust, and has wide tires, a lugged stem (I think?), funky 
>> brake and shift levers, clean welds, racks, hammered fenders, generator 
>> lighting. I think it would be familiar in a crowd of Rivs, not a total 
>> oddball, anyway. 
>>
>> Curious what others think.
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> Jim
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>> (This photo would've been apropos on the cool thread "Celebrating 
>> Triangulation 
>> " 
>> from Sept. 24.)
>>
>> [image: 1947 French Bombapillar s-l1600-2.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Long ride on a Sam Hillborne

[ascpgh]

Very cool ride Paul. So often destinations make together a chain of miles 
you never thought you'd compile or set out on purpose to ride. Deb of Rivet 
Cycleworks is clearly a mural art fan and often shows them as points along 
her rides documented on her IG feed. 

That fifth picture appears to be by Dan Kitchener, the UK rattle can 
artist/muralist. He did his first US mural 
 a couple 
miles from me on the side of a bar that had recently renovated and had an 
big blank side facing the side street intersection. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 8:19:35 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

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> At least it was a long ride for me.
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> This was last Monday, February 27.
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> I had planned on 40 miles for this ride.
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> It was one of those days that weather, the bike, energy levels, motivation 
> and I guess the stars alignments all synched up.
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> My missus called a few hours into it and wanted to meet on the trail and 
> ride some too.
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> I already had 30 miles when I meet her and we did 21 together so I had 51 
> on arrival back home
> which would have been a good day for me as 40 or so is usually one of my 
> long rides.
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> But I decided to go for more on my own so I had a snack and hopped back on 
> the Sam.
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> When I hit 60 miles and didn't feel like stopping.
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> Why not try for 70 I thought?
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> At 70 I thought I'll do 3 more to commemorate an upcoming advancing 
> further into geezer hood birthday.
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> So it was a long but satisfying unplanned 73 mile ride.
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> On the route I took I rode south from the northern portion of Dallas 
> county to downtown Dallas, through downtown to Deep Ellum ( that's a funky 
> and artsy area east of downtown).
> That area has lots of wall murals.
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> Then I picked up the Santa Fe trail that leads to White Rock Lake.
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> I rode the While Rock Lake trails for a while, met up with my Missus and 
> repeated some more of the White Rock trails.
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> After taking off again from home I rode some of the northern trails and 
> then began to zig zag through familiar neighborhoods to rack up extra miles.
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> My  Sam was very comfortable on the entire ride.
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> It sports 700 x 43 Gravel King SS+ tires that help a lot on the bumpy 
> streets of the area.
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> I was tired at the end and also the next day but the next day my missus 
> wanted to ride to the library in 85 degree temps so we got in 10 more 
> miles. 
> I think that 10 miles in the heat helped the soreness.
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> Some might think upright bars would not work for that sort of distance but 
> they worked fine for me.
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> At any rate at my age I felt it was a bit of an epic ride.
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> The attached photos were taken at stops along the way.
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> Paul in Dallas 
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