[RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell Clem L 59cm

[Kim Hetzel]

I currently have a 59 cm Clem L in lime olive. My hope that I can buy a 
59cm Clem L in RBW Blue this coming Friday, when the Clems' go on sale at 
RBW. If that happens, then I would post my 59 cm Clem L for sale here.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:31:23 AM UTC-7 jan.ot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bump. Still looking for an earlier 59 Clem L. Frame/Fork preferably. 
> Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Tallux length for Albatross?

[Drew Fitchette]

Thanks Dave and Michael! 

I ordered the 10cm Tallux, and I've got ESI grips in my parts stash. I'll 
start there and see how it goes!

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 1:47:48 AM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:

> I tried Albatross bars on my 53 Atlantis using a dirt drop stem and they 
> were too close, so I changed to Wavie bars. The Albatross bars are now on 
> my 1973 10 speed (having the same top tube length as the Atlantis) using a 
> 10cm tallux stem. I found that my hands were often on the brake lever 
> clamps, so I changed to longer ESI grips and moved the brake levers forward.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[Drew Fitchette]

Hey Gary,

I saw that! I've got it on my calendar now. Let me know as I'd love to 
drive up and go on a ride with y'all.

- Drew

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 6:01:34 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi Drew,
> Saw your post about a Southeastern ride - we've been talking on the forum 
> about a Riv weekend in asheville July 7-9. Let me know if you're interested 
> and we'll keep you posted on planning as it gets more dialed in.
> Gary
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:49:18 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Been mulling it over too Eric, but the drive up from Atlanta... little 
>> bit spicy! 
>>
>> Maybe some of us in this neck of the woods can put together some sort of 
>> Sou'Easter event that's similar? 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:18:04 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm giving attendance some serious consideration and if I come up, I'll 
>>> do the ATB route. 
>>>
>>> Scott — I think the road route for the 2023 Fling is considered the 
>>> bailout option. 
>>>
>>> More on the routes here from the 2022 edition, which follows the same 
>>> routes: 
>>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2022/04/03/2022-nutmeg-country-spring-fling/
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:00:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
 I'm also considering the ATB route, not sure if I'm up for a full 50 
 miles, wondering if there are any bailouts?

 Scott

 On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:46:25 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the ATB 
> route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I will need 
> to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)
>
> Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I 
> love that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...
>
> Max
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Max,
>>
>> I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will 
>> attempt the ATB route. 
>>
>> Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam 
>> Hillborne back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!
>>
>>
>> Charlie 
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?
>>>
>>> I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might 
>>> actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.
>>>
>>> Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa 
>>> on 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed 
>>> Bombadil on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?
>>>
>>> Details here: 
>>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/
>>>
>>> Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks 
>>> from the group in person.
>>>
>>> Max 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: White Industries T11 / DT Swiss R460, 32H; MKS Gamma pedals

[Trevor Oleniuk]

Both items have sold!

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 10:42:38 PM UTC-6 Trevor Oleniuk wrote:

> I have a few more things for sale here: 
> https://www.pinkbike.com/u/thegoldfi/buysell/
>
> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 10:41:20 PM UTC-6 Trevor Oleniuk wrote:
>
>> I am clearing out some parts and these would look great on your 2023 
>> build.
>>
>> Pedals: MKS Gamma (black/silver), $75CAD + shipping
>> Wheels: $575CAD + shipping (from Regina, SK, Canada)
>>
>> Front wheel (BRAND NEW): DT Swiss R460 rim, 32H / Sapim Laser double 
>> butted spokes (2.0/1.5/2.0) / White industries T11, silver. 
>> Rear wheel: DT Swiss R460 rim, 32H / DT spokes / White industries T11, 
>> silver, 11 speed HG free hub.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass 700x44, Vintage White Industries/Sugino Crankset

[JW]

Thanks for weighing in, Luke. Love the Atlantis!

This is indeed a very neat crankset, and I just found a near new 42T Sugino 
chain ring to include with the sale.

*$140/shipped*



On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 1:31:59 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: 0E0CE1D3-03C9-46BB-9B59-7E8509AEB250.jpeg]Have one of those 
> cranksets and really dig it. 
>
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:06:34 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>
>> Tires claimed, thanks!
>>
>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 2:41:29 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>>
>>> Hey groups,
>>>
>>> Couple things for your consideration.
>>>
>>> *RH Snoqualmie Pass Tires*, 700x44, endurance casing, great condition, 
>>> only a couple hundred miles at most. Will include some tubes I think work 
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> *$105/shipped in CONUS*
>>>
>>> *Vintage White Industries/Sugino manufactured crankset*, 175mm. 
>>> 44/36/24.
>>>
>>> NOS Sugino chainrings on large and small, New Origin8 for middle ring, 
>>> less than 40 miles on these rings.
>>>
>>> *$150/shipped in CONUS*
>>>
>>> PHOTOS 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Please respond off list if interested.
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Complete

[JW]

Still have the HHH, let's find it a new home!


*$3,600 picked up in Central California*
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:41:34 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:

> *Price drop!*
>
>
> *$3,800 delivered to RBW garage sale :)*
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>
>> Weekend bump!
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 3:42:26 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>
>>> Hey group,
>>>
>>> This one hurts, just got it put together but with a pending upcoming 
>>> move we won't be able to house this amazing bicycle.
>>>
>>> I'd say theres about 2 miles from riding around on our farm getting it 
>>> dialed in, hasn't been out on the street yet.
>>>
>>> Specs:
>>>
>>> Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Orange
>>> Stock Headset
>>> Stock Seatpost
>>> Bushnell Eccentric BB in front, (2) Shimano Cartridge BBs
>>> Silver 173mm Tandem Cranks
>>> MKS XC-III Pedals
>>> Skeleton Key Front Derailleur
>>> Shimano XT Friction Front Shifter
>>> Shimano Altus Rear Derailleur
>>> Silver Rear Friction Shifter
>>> Hands On Wheels built 27.5" Velocity Cliffhangers
>>> Kasai 36H Dynamo Front Hub
>>> Velocity 40H Rear Tandem Hub
>>> Maxxis Ikon 27.5"x2.2" Tires, Tubeless
>>> Shimano 11-36? 9 Speed Cassette
>>> Rivendell Tosco 65cm Captain Handlebars
>>> Ritchey C220 90mm Stem
>>> Nitto Bosco 55cm Stoker Handlebars
>>> ControlTech Adjustable Stoker Stem
>>> WTB Pure V Captain Saddle
>>> Brooks B17 Stoker Saddle
>>> Tektro CL740 Brake Levers
>>> Shimano Deore BR-T610 V-Brakes
>>>
>>> Local pickup only, not willing to ship this one. I *can* however 
>>> deliver to the Rivendell Garage Sale next weekend on 3/18/23.
>>>
>>> Asking $4,000.
>>>
>>> Please respond off list and let's find this beauty a nice warm home!
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>>
>>> Jared in SLO, CA
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6480.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB: 16mm caliper brake mounting nut

[Andrew Turner]

Hey group! 
I installed a front rack on my bike with caliper brakes and holding 
everything in place is a Sheldon fender nut, because it's the only thing I 
had long enough to bite some threads. 

Ideally, it would be a recessed nut though. If anyone has one of those 
hanging around that's around 16mm, I'd very much appreciate one!  

Thank you, 
Andrew

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light, or reviews

[Brian Turner]

My experience is only with the V.1 Beacon, and I must admit it has been a bit disappointing to me, so I’m hoping some of the shortcomings have been improved in this new version. Like Jeff mentioned, it just kinda blasts a lot of light out, unfocused, so it’s best for off-road riding. Personally, I’d prefer a focused beam for both paved and off-road. I’ve found the USB charging feature to be practically useless for my needs. I could ride all day with a smartphone plugged in, and I’d be lucky if my battery percentage went up more than 3-4%. When I tried to charge my Garmin Edge Explore, it made my device freak out so bad, I thought I’d damaged it. When I contacted the owner of Sinewave about this, he said he was aware that certain Garmin devices didn’t work well with the Beacon’s charger. So, the two devices I bought the light to work with won’t work with it. I’ve heard it’s best to use it to trickle charge a separate battery bank, but those are so powerful these days, I can practically go 3-4 days on a bike trip, charging my devices as needed on a full charged bank. So I basically have a really expensive, gorgeous, very well-constructed dyno light that only really does one thing well, and that’s blast out a lot of light. I really wanted to love it, but I’m way happier with my Edelux II on my other bike.I know it’s a popular light and works great for a lot of people in certain situations. I’m curious to know if the V.2 Beacon is a significant improvement over the issues I had with it, but it would probably take a lot to convince me to try another one.-BOn Apr 18, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Jeffrey Arita  wrote:We've got two (his/her) Beacon V.1's.  Purchased 1st quarter 2017.  Both worked okay until one of them has issues with all of the LEDs firing up upon faster speeds.  Worked with the Owner and he stands behind his products.  Around that same time I asked him if he were going to consider making a focused lens option (StVZO).  At that time he (unfortunately) said 'no.'  IMHO, if he were to do so, he could sell a lot of these units to randonneurs and cyclotourists alike.The Version 1 works quite well.  At low speeds only 1 or 2 of the LEDs light up.  As speed increases, the third LED lights up.  The lens is unfocused, so it is pretty decent if you are off-road on dirt roads.  The USB output is integrated into the chassis (obviously power limited via the dynamo).  There is a second way to power up the light - you simply plug in a USB power source - excellent when you get to a campground after dark and you need to light up your camping spot (or if you want to power the light without the dynamo).  Well thought-out.  If only there was a StVZO lens option, I think it would be perfect.Note: the USB power output is power limited by the dynamo (not the device itself).  We have had trouble trying to charge late-model smartphones since they are quite power-hungry.  It is probably better to try and charge a battery bank (pass-thru or not) vs. the smartphone itself (in  our experience).  The dynamo + Beacon does re-charge small-ish GPS devices quite well such as Wahoo BOLTs and ROAMs. Best regards,JeffClaremont, CAOn Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 3:41:05 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:Anyone have a Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light they want to sell?  Or has anyone used it, and care to share their thoughts?  My dynamo light broke and can't be fixed, and I have a Sinewave Reactor dynamo charger that I use to charge my iPhone or other USB things.  I figured I'd combine the two to declutter things a bit with the Beacon Light.



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[RBW] Re: WTB Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light, or reviews

[Jeffrey Arita]

We've got two (his/her) Beacon V.1's.  Purchased 1st quarter 2017.  Both 
worked okay until one of them has issues with all of the LEDs firing up 
upon faster speeds.  Worked with the Owner and he stands behind his 
products.  Around that same time I asked him if he were going to consider 
making a focused lens option (StVZO).  At that time he (unfortunately) said 
'no.'  IMHO, if he were to do so, he could sell a lot of these units to 
randonneurs and cyclotourists alike.

The Version 1 works quite well.  At low speeds only 1 or 2 of the LEDs 
light up.  As speed increases, the third LED lights up.  The lens is 
unfocused, so it is pretty decent if you are off-road on dirt roads.  The 
USB output is integrated into the chassis (obviously power limited via the 
dynamo).  There is a second way to power up the light - you simply plug in 
a USB power source - excellent when you get to a campground after dark and 
you need to light up your camping spot (or if you want to power the light 
without the dynamo).  Well thought-out.  If only there was a StVZO lens 
*option*, I think it would be perfect.

Note: the USB power output is power limited by the dynamo (not the device 
itself).  We have had trouble trying to charge late-model smartphones since 
they are quite power-hungry.  It is probably better to try and charge a 
battery bank (pass-thru or not) vs. the smartphone itself (in  our 
experience).  The dynamo + Beacon *does *re-charge small-ish GPS devices 
quite well such as Wahoo BOLTs and ROAMs. 

Best regards,

Jeff
Claremont, CA

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 3:41:05 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:

> Anyone have a Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light they want to sell?  Or 
> has anyone used it, and care to share their thoughts?  My dynamo light 
> broke and can't be fixed, and I have a Sinewave Reactor dynamo charger that 
> I use to charge my iPhone or other USB things.  I figured I'd combine the 
> two to declutter things a bit with the Beacon Light.

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[RBW] Re: WTB Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light, or reviews

[Matt Beecher]

I have one, but have not had a chance to use it yet.  I ordered the gen1 
and it kept getting delayed.  I changed plans and ran with something else 
for a while, but still plan to put mine into service this year.  Overall, I 
felt a bit ripped off for a while, waiting with continual promises of it 
coming sooner than it ever did.  Had I listened and not made other plans, I 
would have been screwed.  

FWIW, there was someone on the paceline selling the first version of the 
beacon.  That was a few weeks ago though, so it may have sold.  

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 5:51:06 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think the Beacon 2 is still at pre order status. They are supposed to 
> start shipping in summer is all it says. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 3:41:05 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light they want to sell? 
>>  Or has anyone used it, and care to share their thoughts?  My dynamo light 
>> broke and can't be fixed, and I have a Sinewave Reactor dynamo charger that 
>> I use to charge my iPhone or other USB things.  I figured I'd combine the 
>> two to declutter things a bit with the Beacon Light.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light, or reviews

[Ryan Frahm]

I think the Beacon 2 is still at pre order status. They are supposed to 
start shipping in summer is all it says. 

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 3:41:05 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:

> Anyone have a Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light they want to sell?  Or 
> has anyone used it, and care to share their thoughts?  My dynamo light 
> broke and can't be fixed, and I have a Sinewave Reactor dynamo charger that 
> I use to charge my iPhone or other USB things.  I figured I'd combine the 
> two to declutter things a bit with the Beacon Light.

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[RBW] WTB Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light, or reviews

[brizbarn]

Anyone have a Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light they want to sell?  Or 
has anyone used it, and care to share their thoughts?  My dynamo light 
broke and can't be fixed, and I have a Sinewave Reactor dynamo charger that 
I use to charge my iPhone or other USB things.  I figured I'd combine the 
two to declutter things a bit with the Beacon Light.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[Richard Rose]

Wow, this would be so cool - a Riv gathering @ a Nutmeg event. And the ATB option looks so good for a Gus. I would have to drive over from Toledo. But, I actually have another reason to be in Chester around that time. Hmm…Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 17, 2023, at 11:49 AM, Drew Fitchette  wrote:Been mulling it over too Eric, but the drive up from Atlanta... little bit spicy! Maybe some of us in this neck of the woods can put together some sort of Sou'Easter event that's similar? On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:18:04 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:I'm giving attendance some serious consideration and if I come up, I'll do the ATB route. Scott — I think the road route for the 2023 Fling is considered the bailout option. More on the routes here from the 2022 edition, which follows the same routes: https://ronsbikesblog.com/2022/04/03/2022-nutmeg-country-spring-fling/On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:00:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:I'm also considering the ATB route, not sure if I'm up for a full 50 miles, wondering if there are any bailouts?ScottOn Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:46:25 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the ATB route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I will need to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I love that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...MaxOn Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com wrote:Hey Max,I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will attempt the ATB route. Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam Hillborne back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!Charlie On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa on 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed Bombadil on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?Details here: https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks from the group in person.Max 



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[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[lconley]

You could try gluing two pieces of chloroplast together with the "grain" of 
the two pieces running at right angles, or three pieces at 60 deg - 
"plyplast"? 
This assumes that you are using free recycled signs.

Laing

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:14:27 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> I don't want to hi-jack this thread, but having been inspired by the "lots 
> of stuff" comment I decided to empty my saddle bag of its contents and 
> weigh it.  2.55 lbs.  So I emptied it and went for an 8 mile round trip 
> ride on the Ram to get some merchandize. The bike handled much better - 
> more lively and a bit easer steering response.  Then I loaded it back up 
> and weighed the merchandize when I got back home. 3.64 lbs.  On the return 
> trip loaded up a noticed the difference right away.  I figure the extra 
> ~lb. or so would be about what the bag contents weighs when I go for an 
> extended ride with a cell phone, key ring, ID+some cash in a thin taxi 
> wallet, and maybe a Clif Bar... so roughly the same weight.  Just sayin'.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 2:23:41 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Well I don't START with lots of stuff but I endeavor to be like Pam 
>> (Likes To Bike) and Leah (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) who do everything on 
>> their bikes, so I go shopping and load it up! It sits on a Nitto rack and 
>> the stuff on the sides of the bag bend the coroplast down, maybe I should 
>> just pull the stiffener and let the rack do the work. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> JB sez "... I carry a lot of stuff!.."  So do I and I'm beginning to 
>>> wonder why.  I carry 3-4 different sizes of tubes in case I run into 
>>> someone who flats without a spare along with an entire collection of small 
>>> tubes, patches, etc.  Every time I lift it down from the ceiling hooks I 
>>> consider ditching most of it.  I think I will...
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:12:56 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh I didn't bend it, it just collapsed under the weight of stuff in 
 there. I carry a lot of stuff! 

 On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:49:57 AM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
 wrote:

> As folks have said, more free coroplast will be the ideal solution. 
> However, if you want to make your coroplast last forever, never to go 
> “all 
> bendy and collapsey”, send it around the front and back (or side to side) 
> corners, bending it the hard way. To bend “the hard way”, you’ll want to 
> score the coroplast before bending it. Use a straightedge and something 
> dull to scribe your bend line perpendicular to the corrugations. You 
> don’t 
> want to cut the bends, just dent them enough to follow the lines you 
> want. 
> If you plan it well, you’ll be able to unfold your new insert inside the 
> bag and it’ll lock into the interior dimensions, giving your bag 
> structure 
> forever and ever…
> Happy bagging!
> -Kai
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
>> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[George Schick]

I don't want to hi-jack this thread, but having been inspired by the "lots 
of stuff" comment I decided to empty my saddle bag of its contents and 
weigh it.  2.55 lbs.  So I emptied it and went for an 8 mile round trip 
ride on the Ram to get some merchandize. The bike handled much better - 
more lively and a bit easer steering response.  Then I loaded it back up 
and weighed the merchandize when I got back home. 3.64 lbs.  On the return 
trip loaded up a noticed the difference right away.  I figure the extra 
~lb. or so would be about what the bag contents weighs when I go for an 
extended ride with a cell phone, key ring, ID+some cash in a thin taxi 
wallet, and maybe a Clif Bar... so roughly the same weight.  Just sayin'.


On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 2:23:41 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Well I don't START with lots of stuff but I endeavor to be like Pam (Likes 
> To Bike) and Leah (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) who do everything on their 
> bikes, so I go shopping and load it up! It sits on a Nitto rack and the 
> stuff on the sides of the bag bend the coroplast down, maybe I should just 
> pull the stiffener and let the rack do the work. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> JB sez "... I carry a lot of stuff!.."  So do I and I'm beginning to 
>> wonder why.  I carry 3-4 different sizes of tubes in case I run into 
>> someone who flats without a spare along with an entire collection of small 
>> tubes, patches, etc.  Every time I lift it down from the ceiling hooks I 
>> consider ditching most of it.  I think I will...
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:12:56 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh I didn't bend it, it just collapsed under the weight of stuff in 
>>> there. I carry a lot of stuff! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:49:57 AM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As folks have said, more free coroplast will be the ideal solution. 
 However, if you want to make your coroplast last forever, never to go “all 
 bendy and collapsey”, send it around the front and back (or side to side) 
 corners, bending it the hard way. To bend “the hard way”, you’ll want to 
 score the coroplast before bending it. Use a straightedge and something 
 dull to scribe your bend line perpendicular to the corrugations. You don’t 
 want to cut the bends, just dent them enough to follow the lines you want. 
 If you plan it well, you’ll be able to unfold your new insert inside the 
 bag and it’ll lock into the interior dimensions, giving your bag structure 
 forever and ever…
 Happy bagging!
 -Kai
 On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>


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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto M18 or 32F

[Kieran J]

Found one, thanks!

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 4:32:14 PM UTC-7 Kieran J wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm looking for one of these racks. I'd consider either one. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kieran
> Victoria, BC
>
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[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Joe Bernard]

Well I don't START with lots of stuff but I endeavor to be like Pam (Likes 
To Bike) and Leah (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) who do everything on their 
bikes, so I go shopping and load it up! It sits on a Nitto rack and the 
stuff on the sides of the bag bend the coroplast down, maybe I should just 
pull the stiffener and let the rack do the work. 

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> JB sez "... I carry a lot of stuff!.."  So do I and I'm beginning to 
> wonder why.  I carry 3-4 different sizes of tubes in case I run into 
> someone who flats without a spare along with an entire collection of small 
> tubes, patches, etc.  Every time I lift it down from the ceiling hooks I 
> consider ditching most of it.  I think I will...
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:12:56 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh I didn't bend it, it just collapsed under the weight of stuff in 
>> there. I carry a lot of stuff! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:49:57 AM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As folks have said, more free coroplast will be the ideal solution. 
>>> However, if you want to make your coroplast last forever, never to go “all 
>>> bendy and collapsey”, send it around the front and back (or side to side) 
>>> corners, bending it the hard way. To bend “the hard way”, you’ll want to 
>>> score the coroplast before bending it. Use a straightedge and something 
>>> dull to scribe your bend line perpendicular to the corrugations. You don’t 
>>> want to cut the bends, just dent them enough to follow the lines you want. 
>>> If you plan it well, you’ll be able to unfold your new insert inside the 
>>> bag and it’ll lock into the interior dimensions, giving your bag structure 
>>> forever and ever…
>>> Happy bagging!
>>> -Kai
>>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
 folks putting in there to replace it? 

 Joe Bernard 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Mike Godwin]

Get a 6-pack of the thin plastic cutting boards, dollar store or other such 
place. They come in different weights. I use them in bags i make pushed 
into sleeves. 

Mike SLO CA 
On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 11:12:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

> In a set of Lone Peak panniers I used to have, the plastic stiffeners they 
> came with  actually broke to pieces. I replaced them with thin sheets of 
> plywood. Perhaps 1/4" thick.  Sand and round the edges so it doesn't abrade 
> through the fabric. It would be a more permanent solution compared to new 
> coroplast.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 9:06:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
>> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[Lenny]

I'm planning on riding the ATB route, albiet not on a Riv-ish bike but a 
vintage MTB. Coming from Boston so happy to carpool (drive or pay for gas). 

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 6:01:34 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi Drew,
> Saw your post about a Southeastern ride - we've been talking on the forum 
> about a Riv weekend in asheville July 7-9. Let me know if you're interested 
> and we'll keep you posted on planning as it gets more dialed in.
> Gary
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:49:18 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Been mulling it over too Eric, but the drive up from Atlanta... little 
>> bit spicy! 
>>
>> Maybe some of us in this neck of the woods can put together some sort of 
>> Sou'Easter event that's similar? 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:18:04 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm giving attendance some serious consideration and if I come up, I'll 
>>> do the ATB route. 
>>>
>>> Scott — I think the road route for the 2023 Fling is considered the 
>>> bailout option. 
>>>
>>> More on the routes here from the 2022 edition, which follows the same 
>>> routes: 
>>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2022/04/03/2022-nutmeg-country-spring-fling/
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:00:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
 I'm also considering the ATB route, not sure if I'm up for a full 50 
 miles, wondering if there are any bailouts?

 Scott

 On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:46:25 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the ATB 
> route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I will need 
> to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)
>
> Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I 
> love that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...
>
> Max
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Max,
>>
>> I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will 
>> attempt the ATB route. 
>>
>> Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam 
>> Hillborne back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!
>>
>>
>> Charlie 
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?
>>>
>>> I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might 
>>> actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.
>>>
>>> Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa 
>>> on 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed 
>>> Bombadil on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?
>>>
>>> Details here: 
>>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/
>>>
>>> Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks 
>>> from the group in person.
>>>
>>> Max 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks roll-up panniers, Vittoria 650B "gravel" tires

[Joe Bernard]

Pending 

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 8:20:49 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Brooks Brick Lane bags, fits grocery bags super easy, description from the 
> Amazon below so you can see how they work, $50 plus shipping. 
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Brooks-Brick-Roll-Up-Bicycle-Panniers/dp/B01MAVTVRQ/ref=asc_df_B01MAVTVRQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312111916046&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16837663529006549629&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032320&hvtargid=pla-420531502216&psc=1
>
> Vittoria Terreno Dry tires, used with tubes only but are tubeless 
> compatible, 650B x 47, maybe 200 miles on them, the pic shows more wear on 
> the center track on the rear, the pair for $50 plus shipping. 
>
> PM for more pics, I'm loading this up quick before work this morning, need 
> to add better pics later (tires are the ones on the bike in first pic).
>
> Thanks! 
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com [image: Screenshot_20230418_080551.jpg]
> [image: Screenshot_20230418_080643.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv-ish '88 Specialized Stumpjumper

[Jacob t]

Thanks! I was hoping the price might lead to a quick sale, but we'll see. 
It does everything I would want a Clem to do, so if it doesn't sell in the 
next few days I might change my mind. I try to keep a 1 in, 1 out policy 
with bikes these days.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 8:00:17 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey this is a very sick bike, I would be looking for ways to keep it and 
> add a Clem to go along with it. 
>
> Regardless of what you do wishing you luck. That's a nice price for what 
> you've built up there. 
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:22:12 PM UTC-4 tob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: _DSC0457.jpg][image: _DSC0460.jpg][image: _DSC0461.jpg][image: 
>> _DSC0465.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 4:21:16 PM UTC-7 Jacob t wrote:
>>
>>> Details:
>>>
>>>
>>>- 1988 Specialized Stumpjumper frame. 23” frame, 33.5” standover. 
>>>Underwent a bare metal respray and a thorough frame saver treatment. New 
>>>Velo-cals decals under a few layers of clear coat. The paint has seen 
>>> some 
>>>wear since the initial build. The most noticeable being the top tube 
>>> burn 
>>>through. If it really bugs you, you can get a top tube protector.
>>>
>>>- 26 inch Sun Rhyno Lite rims with Deore hubs + Compass/Rene Herse 
>>>Rat Trap Pass tire
>>>
>>>- Velo Orange stainless steel fenders. They're more sturdy than the 
>>>aluminum ones, so you don't have to deal with them moving and rubbing 
>>> the 
>>>tires
>>>
>>>- 3x9 Deore drivetrain paired with bar end shifters in friction mode
>>>
>>>- Sugino triple crank. I stripped the anodizing and polished them at 
>>>the time of the build
>>>
>>>- Nitto Bosco bars w/ fancy wrap job (a la Blue Lug)
>>>
>>>- Parts bin stem and seat post that I stripped and polished
>>>
>>>- -Tektro FL750 brake levers
>>>
>>>- Velo Orange Porteur rack w/ Wald 139 basket
>>>
>>>- The crispiest Brooks B66 of all time, also the most cush saddle 
>>>I’ve ever sat on (I’m happy to keep this relic if it sketches you out)
>>>
>>>- Olive Carradice saddle bag and Carradice bag support
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 4:20:59 PM UTC-7 Jacob t wrote:
>>>
 Clems go live in a week, and I’m long chain stay curious. Problem is, I 
 have a Clem adjacent bike already… So, does anyone here want a really 
 great 
 MTB conversion?

 Looking for $800
 Located in Edmonds, WA.
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[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Ian A]

In a set of Lone Peak panniers I used to have, the plastic stiffeners they 
came with  actually broke to pieces. I replaced them with thin sheets of 
plywood. Perhaps 1/4" thick.  Sand and round the edges so it doesn't abrade 
through the fabric. It would be a more permanent solution compared to new 
coroplast.

IanA Alberta Canada

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> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>

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[RBW] Re: Tallux length for Albatross?

[Garth]

Stem length depends on your riding position with a given bar in a given 
frame. Albatross don't have to setup as an upright position, they work 
great as a forward leaning alternative to Albastache or even drop bars 
using bar end brake levers which allow for endless hand positions from the 
top curve on down, unencumbered by levers. You really have to know your 
frame, how much reach it has available. There's many different Atlantis 
variations and they can vary a good bit in reach. Myself I would only use 
such a bar if the frame has a lot of reach, which for the Atlantis that's 
be either the very first 1999 run or the very recent ones. 

Most complaints of any swept back bar have to do with too little reach in 
the frame itself to begin with and/or stem length.

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Re: [RBW] What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Tom Wyland]

I've been just sitting here waiting for someone to try a TV Tray in their 
saddlebag.  I have one of the old large Saddlesacks and the coroplast 
doesn't last long. 

Let me know how it works!

Tom

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 1:49:01 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I’ve looked more into the idea of an external saddlebag support, and 
> wouldn’t you know it the good folks at Surly thought of it first: 
> https://surlybikes.com/parts/tv_tray I just ordered one and will report 
> back.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Apr 17, 2023, at 8:46 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> I’ve been thinking about this as well. Replacement coroplast is the 
> obvious answer, and I’ve saved a stash of campaign signs from last 
> November’s election for just this purpose. But I’ve also been thinking 
> about getting rid of the coroplast entirely, and zip-tying something like a 
> kitchen wire cooling rack (like for baking cookies) to the top of my rear 
> cargo rack to provide support to the saddlebag from underneath. This would 
> probably be more durable, and would also eliminate the problem of small 
> items diving underneath the coroplast inside the saddlebag. I’ll be curious 
> to learn what clever solutions others have come up with.
>
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Apr 17, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
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Re: [RBW] What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Jay Lonner]

I’ve looked more into the idea of an external saddlebag support, and wouldn’t you know it the good folks at Surly thought of it first: https://surlybikes.com/parts/tv_tray I just ordered one and will report back.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Apr 17, 2023, at 8:46 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:I’ve been thinking about this as well. Replacement coroplast is the obvious answer, and I’ve saved a stash of campaign signs from last November’s election for just this purpose. But I’ve also been thinking about getting rid of the coroplast entirely, and zip-tying something like a kitchen wire cooling rack (like for baking cookies) to the top of my rear cargo rack to provide support to the saddlebag from underneath. This would probably be more durable, and would also eliminate the problem of small items diving underneath the coroplast inside the saddlebag. I’ll be curious to learn what clever solutions others have come up with.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Apr 17, 2023, at 8:06 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you folks putting in there to replace it? Joe Bernard 



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[RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell Clem L 59cm

[Jan O.]

Bump. Still looking for an earlier 59 Clem L. Frame/Fork preferably. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[George Schick]

JB sez "... I carry a lot of stuff!.."  So do I and I'm beginning to wonder 
why.  I carry 3-4 different sizes of tubes in case I run into someone who 
flats without a spare along with an entire collection of small tubes, 
patches, etc.  Every time I lift it down from the ceiling hooks I consider 
ditching most of it.  I think I will...

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:12:56 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh I didn't bend it, it just collapsed under the weight of stuff in there. 
> I carry a lot of stuff! 
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:49:57 AM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> As folks have said, more free coroplast will be the ideal solution. 
>> However, if you want to make your coroplast last forever, never to go “all 
>> bendy and collapsey”, send it around the front and back (or side to side) 
>> corners, bending it the hard way. To bend “the hard way”, you’ll want to 
>> score the coroplast before bending it. Use a straightedge and something 
>> dull to scribe your bend line perpendicular to the corrugations. You don’t 
>> want to cut the bends, just dent them enough to follow the lines you want. 
>> If you plan it well, you’ll be able to unfold your new insert inside the 
>> bag and it’ll lock into the interior dimensions, giving your bag structure 
>> forever and ever…
>> Happy bagging!
>> -Kai
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
>>> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Blue Lug hat, new Nitto lugged and M18 rack, Brooks B17, XTR bits, Makeshifter Canvas Works bag, etc.

[J J]

*Hello, a final bump with additional discounts for unsold items. Please see 
details down the thread and don't hesitate to ask any questions off list. 
Thanks! — **Jim* 

   - Brooks B17 classic black saddle (new in package) — *was $105 ––> $95 
   ---> **now $90*
   - Nitto-Rivendell Lugged Seat Post 27.2 x 300 (new in package) — *was 
   $158 ––> $140 ---> now $130*
   - Nitto-Rivendell Lugged Stem 190mm quill, 80mm reach (new in package) — 
*was 
   $200 ––> $180 -**--> now $175*
   - Shimano XTR CS-M950 Cassette 12-32 tooth 8-speed (new in package) — *was 
   $300 ––> $245 ---> now $235*



On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 2:52:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

Hi folks. Bump and discounts on unsold items. Please respond privately off 
list. Details and photos in the thread below. Please feel free to reach out 
with questions. Thanks to all. 

   - Brooks B17 classic black saddle (new in package) — *was $105, now $95*
   - Nitto-Rivendell Lugged Seat Post 27.2 x 300 (new in package) — *was 
   $158, now $140*
   - Nitto-Rivendell Lugged Stem 190mm quill, 80mm reach (new in package) — 
*was 
   $200, now $180*
   - Shimano XTR CS-M950 Cassette 12-32 tooth 8-speed (new in package, 
   never installed) — *was $300, now $245*
   - *SOLD Makeshifter Canvas Works Out + Back Handlebar Bag (tan, new) — 
   was $195, now $185*
   

On Mar 24, 2023, at 12:47, J J  wrote:



Parts bin purge, spring cleaning edition. Please respond privately if 
you're interested in anything. Let me know if you want multiple items, 
happy to make a package deal. Additional pics here 
.
 
Thanks very much! 

*SOLD Blue Lug Work Hat, olive (new) — $45*

Bought for $58 
.
 
One size fits all. Tried it on once. 



*SOLD **Tektro CR720 Cantilever brakes (full set for two wheels, excellent 
cond.) — $25*

I bought these powerful brakes from a list member. I decided not to use 
them. 




*Brooks B17 classic black saddle (new in package) — $105*
I have come to prefer B67s so the B17 is redundant.




*Nitto-Rivendell Lugged Seat Post 27.2 x 250 (new in package) — $158*
Bought for $184. Not going to use it. Who knows for how much longer we’ll 
be able to get the lugged seat posts and stems, with Riv and others warning 
about limited Nitto supplies. 




*Nitto-Rivendell Lugged Stem 190mm quill, 80mm reach (new in package) — 
$200*
Bought for $240. Not going to use it. 



*SOLD **Shimano Sora 9-speed trigger shifters, left and right set 
(excellent cond.) — $45*

Bought for $120. Took these off a Wilbury and installed Dura-Ace bar ends 
instead.



*SOLD **XTR M951 V Brake (one brake, front or rear) (excellent cond.) — $65*

Was going to run this brake up front and a canti in the back, but I prefer 
how cantis look.




*XTR M950 Cassette 12-32 tooth 8-speed (new in package, never installed) — 
$300*

Fancy, some titanium sprockets, remarkably light. I have streamlined and 
standardized all my bikes on 9-speed with a 36 tooth big sprocket, so I 
won’t be using this. 



*CLAIMED **XT M739 front derailleur, top pull (well used but functions 
great) — Free with any purchase, just ask*



*SOLD **Nitto M18 Front Rack with diving board (new) — $100*

I bought two and love them. I don’t need this second one. 



*SOLD **Makeshifter Canvas Works Out + Back Handlebar Bag (tan, new) — $195*
Bought for $215-plus. Made by Becky Newman in Portland. One-woman shop. 
This color has been sold out for a while. Didn’t quite jibe with the 
handlebar and cables. I bought the predecessor matching saddlebag from a 
list member and the quality is outstanding. Becky is great and her work is 
beautiful!




*Prices do not include shipping.*

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[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Joe Bernard]

Oh I didn't bend it, it just collapsed under the weight of stuff in there. 
I carry a lot of stuff! 

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:49:57 AM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> As folks have said, more free coroplast will be the ideal solution. 
> However, if you want to make your coroplast last forever, never to go “all 
> bendy and collapsey”, send it around the front and back (or side to side) 
> corners, bending it the hard way. To bend “the hard way”, you’ll want to 
> score the coroplast before bending it. Use a straightedge and something 
> dull to scribe your bend line perpendicular to the corrugations. You don’t 
> want to cut the bends, just dent them enough to follow the lines you want. 
> If you plan it well, you’ll be able to unfold your new insert inside the 
> bag and it’ll lock into the interior dimensions, giving your bag structure 
> forever and ever…
> Happy bagging!
> -Kai
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
>> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Long shot: Trade 50 Rosco Platy for 52 Clem L

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Taylor, just sent you a PM.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:03:23 AM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This is a long shot, but it's worth a try! 
>
> I have a 50cm Rosco Platy in Rosco Green, standard Riv build + Paul Love 
> levers that I've been using for paved bike rides with my little one. It's 
> in excellent condition save a few scuffs on the seatpost, and is a great 
> bike. My kid is getting bigger though (as children invariably do), so I'm 
> looking to get a stouter bike. The Clem L checks all the boxes.
>
> Anyone out there looking for a 50cm Rosco Platy or has a Clem L they would 
> like to trade for a Rosco Platy? I'm in MA, so a local buy / trade would be 
> easiest, but I'm willing to ship. If you have a 52 Clem L in good shape 
> (and preferably in a shade of green) and are looking to trade or are 
> seriously interested in a Rosco Platy, please contact me off list, and we 
> can discuss the price differential, shipping, etc.
>
> The long shot aspect of this is that the deal would need to be worked out 
> before this Friday (4/21) when the Clem Ls go on sale.
>
> Here's a photo of the Rosco Platy. Happy to share more upon request. 
> Saddle, bottle cage, pedals, and the Homer ;) not included.
>
> Thanks!
>
> [image: IMG_5388.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv-ish '88 Specialized Stumpjumper

[Eric Marth]

Hey this is a very sick bike, I would be looking for ways to keep it and 
add a Clem to go along with it. 

Regardless of what you do wishing you luck. That's a nice price for what 
you've built up there. 
On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 7:22:12 PM UTC-4 tob...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: _DSC0457.jpg][image: _DSC0460.jpg][image: _DSC0461.jpg][image: 
> _DSC0465.jpg]
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 4:21:16 PM UTC-7 Jacob t wrote:
>
>> Details:
>>
>>
>>- 1988 Specialized Stumpjumper frame. 23” frame, 33.5” standover. 
>>Underwent a bare metal respray and a thorough frame saver treatment. New 
>>Velo-cals decals under a few layers of clear coat. The paint has seen 
>> some 
>>wear since the initial build. The most noticeable being the top tube burn 
>>through. If it really bugs you, you can get a top tube protector.
>>
>>- 26 inch Sun Rhyno Lite rims with Deore hubs + Compass/Rene Herse 
>>Rat Trap Pass tire
>>
>>- Velo Orange stainless steel fenders. They're more sturdy than the 
>>aluminum ones, so you don't have to deal with them moving and rubbing the 
>>tires
>>
>>- 3x9 Deore drivetrain paired with bar end shifters in friction mode
>>
>>- Sugino triple crank. I stripped the anodizing and polished them at 
>>the time of the build
>>
>>- Nitto Bosco bars w/ fancy wrap job (a la Blue Lug)
>>
>>- Parts bin stem and seat post that I stripped and polished
>>
>>- -Tektro FL750 brake levers
>>
>>- Velo Orange Porteur rack w/ Wald 139 basket
>>
>>- The crispiest Brooks B66 of all time, also the most cush saddle 
>>I’ve ever sat on (I’m happy to keep this relic if it sketches you out)
>>
>>- Olive Carradice saddle bag and Carradice bag support
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 4:20:59 PM UTC-7 Jacob t wrote:
>>
>>> Clems go live in a week, and I’m long chain stay curious. Problem is, I 
>>> have a Clem adjacent bike already… So, does anyone here want a really great 
>>> MTB conversion?
>>>
>>> Looking for $800
>>> Located in Edmonds, WA.
>>> [image: _DSC0449.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[Frank Burkybile]

Hi all - I have been quietly tracking this conversation and am looking at 
my work & life calendars to see if it is a feasible trip for me. I will be 
traveling from Richmond, VA and appreciate all the thinking and effort to 
get this going!
-Frank 

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:48:02 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi Pam! So glad you’re interested and hope you can make it. We will 
> certainly have lots of options ride-wise but haven’t nailed anything down 
> yet. Certainly lots of road and greenway options. Some of the gravel fire 
> roads are pretty mellow too. And we’ll definitely have time built in pre 
> and post ride for socializing, and I love your idea of a swap/sale/trade 
> opportunity. Maybe we could even let folks post what they are thinking 
> about bringing to make it more interesting.
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm going to try to come.  I'd like roads.  What mileage options are we 
>> thinking about?  Obviously I would like plenty of time to see all the bikes 
>> and meet all the owners so plenty of stops along the way and some time at 
>> the beginning and end of the rides would be great.  Want to bring stuff to 
>> swap/sell/trade?  Want to have anything else like seeing gear such as 
>> favorite bags, tents, accoutrements?  Let me know how I can help.  Let 
>> me know if anyone wants to carpool from Charlotte or stop through on the 
>> way there or back.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 1:46:14 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Gary! I’m definitely free then. I’ll see if I can round up a few 
>>> other Riv riders here in Kentucky!
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>> On Apr 12, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Jason D  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Gary! This sounds like an awesome time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 Hi from Asheville,
 Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv riders 
 and 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting me know) 
 that have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 work for 
 them, so let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet up. If 
 anyone else would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to answer 
 any questions if you're iffy or want more info.
 Cheers, 
 Gary

 On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work better 
> for me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and I am freed 
> up after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can materialize 
> for 
> these new dates!
>
> -Brian
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the July/Sept 
>> dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to join.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed weekend 
>>> of May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not going to be 
>>> free that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might be better 
>>> for 
>>> more people, then I may just be able to make that happen.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 Hi George,
 Probably not going into TN. We were talking about riding locally at 
 Bent Creek and the WNC Arboretum, possibly the River Arts District 
 bike 
 path, and maybe a low traffic road ride around Montford and North 
 Asheville. With plenty of opportunities for brewery refreshments/food 
 during or after the rides.

 On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> When you all call for a Riv ride "in" Asheville do you mean going 
> over to ride the loop at Cades Cove in Tennessee by any chance?  Just 
> curious.
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I will be in North Carolina from July 1 thru July 9 - The weekend 
>> before thru the weekend after July 4. That would be the best for me.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring 
>>> but a May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any 
>>> interest 
>>> in a meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  
>>> If 
>>> there's enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail 
>>> down a 
>>> date for whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
>

[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

As folks have said, more free coroplast will be the ideal solution. 
However, if you want to make your coroplast last forever, never to go “all 
bendy and collapsey”, send it around the front and back (or side to side) 
corners, bending it the hard way. To bend “the hard way”, you’ll want to 
score the coroplast before bending it. Use a straightedge and something 
dull to scribe your bend line perpendicular to the corrugations. You don’t 
want to cut the bends, just dent them enough to follow the lines you want. 
If you plan it well, you’ll be able to unfold your new insert inside the 
bag and it’ll lock into the interior dimensions, giving your bag structure 
forever and ever…
Happy bagging!
-Kai
On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>

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[RBW] Re: Tallux length for Albatross?

[Will M]

Drew, when I built up my VO Campeur with Albotross bars 
,
 
the Albo's came so far back that I (a) sawed an inch off each end at the 
grip area and (b) used a 1cm-longer-reach Technomic stem than I'd normally 
use with drop bars on the same frame.Still very pleasantly upright 
seating position.  Just one data point and I'm not sure there's a hard and 
fast rule; but those Albo's do come back quite a way. --Will M

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 1:47:48 AM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:

> I tried Albatross bars on my 53 Atlantis using a dirt drop stem and they 
> were too close, so I changed to Wavie bars. The Albatross bars are now on 
> my 1973 10 speed (having the same top tube length as the Atlantis) using a 
> 10cm tallux stem. I found that my hands were often on the brake lever 
> clamps, so I changed to longer ESI grips and moved the brake levers forward.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis touch-up paint

[John Dewey]

Y'all, I don't think that's entirely true. RPM has taken a hatchet to that
great little brand but most Hobby Lobby stores still sell a greatly reduced
inventory.

At one time TESTORS was once among the most recognizable logos / brands in
the world. Synonymous with 'glue'. Atlantis was Russian Interior Green, and
years ago Grant had intentions to match all of his frame colors to a
similar TESTORS color so that he could redirect these questions. Good idea,
tho it didn't have great legs.

If you're of a mind to, you can usually mix colors to create a reasonable
match for most any frame. Metallics are a bit more challenging, but
oftentimes close-enough does the trick.

BEST / Jock Dewey ex-TESTORS

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 8:50 AM Old And In The Weeds <
oldandinthewe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm seeing testors has discontinued their paints, and they had the exact
> match to the Atlantis green color. Does anyone know any alternative
> touch-up paint options? Thanks!
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Son Hub advice

[Peter Fray]

Thanks Andy. That was helpful. The argument for centerlock makes sense ...

I was just reading this gentle introduction to hubs while your message
came through..and i realized the 6bolt/centerlock only matters for the
disc.

https://sugarwheelworks.com/technical-information/hub-information-and-details/


On Tue, 18 Apr, 2023, 5:48 pm ascpgh,  wrote:

> The manner of connecting the disc to a hub matters for disc replacement.
> When mounted the caliper only cares about the diameter of the rotor. I was
> happy to choose the center mount format. On their website they call
> six-bolt "robust" and center lock "Shimano format".
>
> Having to keep up with six threaded fasteners' torque and ensure they are
> not seized in the dissimilar metal's threads versus one larger fastener
> which only has to hold the disc fixture onto straight splines which handle
> the heavy forces. I cannot imagine the recovery from a stripped bolt hole
> in a six bolt format SON hub body. Your BB/cassette lockring  tool will
> operate the fastener. Nice big, larger diameter threading you can see and
> keep lubricated/anti-seized.
>
> For my use (as originally presented) this hub, built by Peter W. on a
> Velocity Synergy rim, is on my Surly commuter. I can at will remove the
> disc and put it on my Rambouillet, used with the Racer rim brakes. To me
> that's future proofing, shedding the disc braked bike I use it on now was a
> secondary point that spawned its own thread now.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:54:56 AM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> Thank you very much for the advice! I'd read it all then and came back
>> today with the idea that I'll take the disc-hub. Then I read through the
>> emails again
>>
>> Anyway, I think my thought on "future-proof" was incomplete. I have never
>> tried disc brakes over a longer period so don't have any strong opinions
>> about it - except that I don't know how to fix it if I have to (yet). That
>> being said, if an opportunity comes up I would like to give it a shot. I
>> should have also mentioned that this is for a bike (hopefully) meant for
>> touring - so I'm always thinking of many birds and less stones. Perhaps
>> "multiple-scenario-proof" would be better.
>>
>> I'd decided on the disc-hub, considering I'll have my current frame not
>> worrying about taking this hub to a thru axle frame, with the pros -
>> - good v-brakes are getting hard to find - shimano still makes deore & xt
>> but until when? (can't afford the pauls)
>> - option to switch to disc when I would like to try it
>> - 26" rims are also not too common - even more for rim-brakes, this gives
>> the flexibility (disc rims could potentially also last longer considering I
>> don't have to change the rim only the disc brakes parts)
>>
>> The concerns in my head were first as Peter mentioned about the rim
>> flexing, if this more the case with disc rims - this is an unknown unknown
>> territory for me. Second, wider flange spacing would have been nicer, but I
>> see a lot of people touring with disc Son hubs and I think these should
>> hold good enough too.
>>
>> Thank you for the suggestion for the centerlock brakes! Until last week
>> I'd no idea there were multiple disc brake mounts - I read this is a
>> Shimano thing so I'm wondering if it makes more sense to go with mounts
>> that are more commonly used.
>>
>> @Laing - I would be interested in the Panasonic hubs but I couldn't find
>> much info/review on their durability for touring.
>>
>> back to riding and thinking mode,
>> Peter
>>
>> Am So., 16. Apr. 2023 um 20:52 Uhr schrieb ascpgh :
>>
>>> I have a SON QR disc hub on my commuter (love it, thanks Peter W.) and
>>> had it built so I could move it to my Rambouillet when I tire of either the
>>> bike (Disc Trucker) or no longer need a commuter.  So it has the same rim
>>> as my Ram and the disc mount is lockring instead of 6-bolt. A quarter turn
>>> with a Shimano cartridge BB/cassette lockring tool and it's gone. I
>>> unsderstand the flange stance difference between the disc and rim brake
>>> spec hubs but seems within reasonableness given that both are pretty large
>>> diameter flanges compared to non-generator hubs when considering the loss
>>> of flange width between the two. I felt like was getting two birds with one
>>> stone.
>>>
>>> Future proof? My fifteen year experiment with discs on drop bar, bar end
>>> shifter bikes lead me to spec cantilevers on my custom two years ago. I'll
>>> gladly accept the the variables I know about brakes, braking, parts,
>>> pieces, installation and adjustment over unique, sporadic mystery sounds
>>> and finickiness that are beyond control and lead to throwing new parts into
>>> the system at a rate embarrassing compared to rim brakes.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 7:47:32 AM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I'm looking to get the Son dynamo hub. Co

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Pam! So glad you’re interested and hope you can make it. We will 
certainly have lots of options ride-wise but haven’t nailed anything down 
yet. Certainly lots of road and greenway options. Some of the gravel fire 
roads are pretty mellow too. And we’ll definitely have time built in pre 
and post ride for socializing, and I love your idea of a swap/sale/trade 
opportunity. Maybe we could even let folks post what they are thinking 
about bringing to make it more interesting.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm going to try to come.  I'd like roads.  What mileage options are we 
> thinking about?  Obviously I would like plenty of time to see all the bikes 
> and meet all the owners so plenty of stops along the way and some time at 
> the beginning and end of the rides would be great.  Want to bring stuff to 
> swap/sell/trade?  Want to have anything else like seeing gear such as 
> favorite bags, tents, accoutrements?  Let me know how I can help.  Let 
> me know if anyone wants to carpool from Charlotte or stop through on the 
> way there or back.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 1:46:14 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gary! I’m definitely free then. I’ll see if I can round up a few 
>> other Riv riders here in Kentucky!
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Jason D  wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Gary! This sounds like an awesome time.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi from Asheville,
>>> Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv riders 
>>> and 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting me know) 
>>> that have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 work for 
>>> them, so let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet up. If 
>>> anyone else would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to answer 
>>> any questions if you're iffy or want more info.
>>> Cheers, 
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work better 
 for me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and I am freed 
 up after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can materialize 
 for 
 these new dates!

 -Brian

 On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the July/Sept 
> dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to join.
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed weekend 
>> of May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not going to be 
>> free that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might be better 
>> for 
>> more people, then I may just be able to make that happen.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi George,
>>> Probably not going into TN. We were talking about riding locally at 
>>> Bent Creek and the WNC Arboretum, possibly the River Arts District bike 
>>> path, and maybe a low traffic road ride around Montford and North 
>>> Asheville. With plenty of opportunities for brewery refreshments/food 
>>> during or after the rides.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 When you all call for a Riv ride "in" Asheville do you mean going 
 over to ride the loop at Cades Cove in Tennessee by any chance?  Just 
 curious.

 On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I will be in North Carolina from July 1 thru July 9 - The weekend 
> before thru the weekend after July 4. That would be the best for me.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but 
>> a May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any 
>> interest in 
>> a meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If 
>> there's 
>> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date 
>> for 
>> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
>> Gary
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Is there a short "under-top-tube" bag that is not a frame bag and snugs up to the head tube?

[greenteadrinkers]

The other day I happened to notice Analog has a BlueLug top tube bag that 
might fit your need: 
https://analogcycles.com/products/fairweather-weird-top-tube-bag

Scott

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 9:22:51 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Re: Corner bag, it doesn’t look like there’s an attachment point at the 
> pointy end… but it would probably work if your frame had a really short 
> head tube.
>
> On Apr 17, 2023, at 9:02 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks; the Corner Bag might work, but can they attach at the short end to 
> the head tube? I couldn't quite make that out.
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 5:03 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, have you looked at the Fairweather line of bags that Blue Lug 
>> sells (as their own bag brand)? They have quite a few different frame and 
>> half frame options, as well as some pretty nifty wedge bags that are made 
>> to fit in the space behind the seat tube for those who own Clems, Platys, 
>> Gus / Susie, etc.
>>
>> Here's a link (there's a lot of Fairweather stuff that's not just bags, 
>> so you may need to click through several pages):
>> https://global.bluelug.com/brands/fairweather.html
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 6:57:04 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Oveja Negra does give dimension if you scroll all the way down. I was 
>>> just looking at them. Also, my very favorite folks to deal with & top notch 
>>> quality. All handmade in Colorado.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2023, at 6:31 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Just looked at site; the dummies don't give dimensions. Does anyone know 
>>> them for the Small?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 4:08 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> Like this?

>>> 
 Superwedgie™ Frame Bag 
 
 ovejanegrabikepacking.com 
 
 


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 17, 2023, at 5:45 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:

 
 Bags by Bird “Better Half”?
 
 Better Half - Small Short (S-M Bikes) 
 
 bagsxbird.com 
 
 


 On Apr 17, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Steven Sweedler  wrote:

 
 Patrick, take a look at this Jandd bag
 https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FFP
 might be a few inches longer than you like
 Steve

 On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 5:37 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Is there a smallish bag that fits under the top tube at the front of 
> the top tube and cinches to the head tube?
>
> I've owned many top-of-top-tube bags like the Revelate Gas Tank and 
> several frame bags that fit along the full length of the tube under the 
> top 
> tube. I've also had top tube bags that snug up against the seat tube. But 
> I've never seen a short bag no more than 12" long and no more than 6" 
> deep 
> that fits under the top tube and straps to the head tube. Does anyone 
> know 
> of such a bag?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[Brian Turner]

Those hideous campaign yard signs were the first thing that popped into my mind as an abundant source of coroplast or corex. Might as well take something negative and turn it into a positive reuse!On Apr 18, 2023, at 8:12 AM, George Schick  wrote:I hadn't thought about using left over election coroplast signs for this application, but I will now.  Good idea.  What I have used, though is YUPO, an artificial paper.  It's available at art supply stores in big sheets and it can easily be cut to fit any bag dimensions.  It's waterproof. Plus, it's white so it brightens up the interior of dark bags so you can see what's in them better.On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 10:39:54 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:The signs posted for political campaigns that are sometimes never taken up are coroplast.  Remove the sign since it's litter and use that.  I can send some if you have the measurements.On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you folks putting in there to replace it? Joe Bernard 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Son Hub advice

[ascpgh]

The manner of connecting the disc to a hub matters for disc replacement. 
When mounted the caliper only cares about the diameter of the rotor. I was 
happy to choose the center mount format. On their website they call 
six-bolt "robust" and center lock "Shimano format". 

Having to keep up with six threaded fasteners' torque and ensure they are 
not seized in the dissimilar metal's threads versus one larger fastener 
which only has to hold the disc fixture onto straight splines which handle 
the heavy forces. I cannot imagine the recovery from a stripped bolt hole 
in a six bolt format SON hub body. Your BB/cassette lockring  tool will 
operate the fastener. Nice big, larger diameter threading you can see and 
keep lubricated/anti-seized.

For my use (as originally presented) this hub, built by Peter W. on a 
Velocity Synergy rim, is on my Surly commuter. I can at will remove the 
disc and put it on my Rambouillet, used with the Racer rim brakes. To me 
that's future proofing, shedding the disc braked bike I use it on now was a 
secondary point that spawned its own thread now. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:54:56 AM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello everyone, 
> Thank you very much for the advice! I'd read it all then and came back 
> today with the idea that I'll take the disc-hub. Then I read through the 
> emails again
>
> Anyway, I think my thought on "future-proof" was incomplete. I have never 
> tried disc brakes over a longer period so don't have any strong opinions 
> about it - except that I don't know how to fix it if I have to (yet). That 
> being said, if an opportunity comes up I would like to give it a shot. I 
> should have also mentioned that this is for a bike (hopefully) meant for 
> touring - so I'm always thinking of many birds and less stones. Perhaps 
> "multiple-scenario-proof" would be better.
>
> I'd decided on the disc-hub, considering I'll have my current frame not 
> worrying about taking this hub to a thru axle frame, with the pros - 
> - good v-brakes are getting hard to find - shimano still makes deore & xt 
> but until when? (can't afford the pauls)
> - option to switch to disc when I would like to try it
> - 26" rims are also not too common - even more for rim-brakes, this gives 
> the flexibility (disc rims could potentially also last longer considering I 
> don't have to change the rim only the disc brakes parts)
>
> The concerns in my head were first as Peter mentioned about the rim 
> flexing, if this more the case with disc rims - this is an unknown unknown 
> territory for me. Second, wider flange spacing would have been nicer, but I 
> see a lot of people touring with disc Son hubs and I think these should 
> hold good enough too.
>
> Thank you for the suggestion for the centerlock brakes! Until last week 
> I'd no idea there were multiple disc brake mounts - I read this is a 
> Shimano thing so I'm wondering if it makes more sense to go with mounts 
> that are more commonly used.
>
> @Laing - I would be interested in the Panasonic hubs but I couldn't find 
> much info/review on their durability for touring.
>
> back to riding and thinking mode, 
> Peter
>
> Am So., 16. Apr. 2023 um 20:52 Uhr schrieb ascpgh :
>
>> I have a SON QR disc hub on my commuter (love it, thanks Peter W.) and 
>> had it built so I could move it to my Rambouillet when I tire of either the 
>> bike (Disc Trucker) or no longer need a commuter.  So it has the same rim 
>> as my Ram and the disc mount is lockring instead of 6-bolt. A quarter turn 
>> with a Shimano cartridge BB/cassette lockring tool and it's gone. I 
>> unsderstand the flange stance difference between the disc and rim brake 
>> spec hubs but seems within reasonableness given that both are pretty large 
>> diameter flanges compared to non-generator hubs when considering the loss 
>> of flange width between the two. I felt like was getting two birds with one 
>> stone.
>>
>> Future proof? My fifteen year experiment with discs on drop bar, bar end 
>> shifter bikes lead me to spec cantilevers on my custom two years ago. I'll 
>> gladly accept the the variables I know about brakes, braking, parts, 
>> pieces, installation and adjustment over unique, sporadic mystery sounds 
>> and finickiness that are beyond control and lead to throwing new parts into 
>> the system at a rate embarrassing compared to rim brakes. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 7:47:32 AM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, 
>>>
>>> I'm looking to get the Son dynamo hub. Considering it's price I'd rather 
>>> make an informed (still quite impulsive) decision..hah!
>>>
>>> I have a bike with both rim and disc brake mounts (with QR) so I usually 
>>> buy disc hubs, to future proof the hub purchase, but continue to run 
>>> v-brakes (for now). Is this a sound approach to continue with this buy i.e. 
>>> disc hubs with v-brake rims?
>>>
>>> Based on SON's website, I think Son28 would

[RBW] Re: What do I replace coroplast with in Sackville

[George Schick]

I hadn't thought about using left over election coroplast signs for this 
application, but I will now.  Good idea.  What I have used, though is YUPO, 
an artificial paper.  It's available at art supply stores in big sheets and 
it can easily be cut to fit any bag dimensions.  It's waterproof. Plus, 
it's white so it brightens up the interior of dark bags so you can see 
what's in them better.

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 10:39:54 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> The signs posted for political campaigns that are sometimes never taken up 
> are coroplast.  Remove the sign since it's litter and use that.  I can send 
> some if you have the measurements.
>
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:06:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Mine is all bendy and collapsey in my medium SaddleSack. What are you 
>> folks putting in there to replace it? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Son Hub advice

[Peter Fray]

Hello everyone,
Thank you very much for the advice! I'd read it all then and came back
today with the idea that I'll take the disc-hub. Then I read through the
emails again

Anyway, I think my thought on "future-proof" was incomplete. I have never
tried disc brakes over a longer period so don't have any strong opinions
about it - except that I don't know how to fix it if I have to (yet). That
being said, if an opportunity comes up I would like to give it a shot. I
should have also mentioned that this is for a bike (hopefully) meant for
touring - so I'm always thinking of many birds and less stones. Perhaps
"multiple-scenario-proof" would be better.

I'd decided on the disc-hub, considering I'll have my current frame not
worrying about taking this hub to a thru axle frame, with the pros -
- good v-brakes are getting hard to find - shimano still makes deore & xt
but until when? (can't afford the pauls)
- option to switch to disc when I would like to try it
- 26" rims are also not too common - even more for rim-brakes, this gives
the flexibility (disc rims could potentially also last longer considering I
don't have to change the rim only the disc brakes parts)

The concerns in my head were first as Peter mentioned about the rim
flexing, if this more the case with disc rims - this is an unknown unknown
territory for me. Second, wider flange spacing would have been nicer, but I
see a lot of people touring with disc Son hubs and I think these should
hold good enough too.

Thank you for the suggestion for the centerlock brakes! Until last week I'd
no idea there were multiple disc brake mounts - I read this is a Shimano
thing so I'm wondering if it makes more sense to go with mounts that are
more commonly used.

@Laing - I would be interested in the Panasonic hubs but I couldn't find
much info/review on their durability for touring.

back to riding and thinking mode,
Peter

Am So., 16. Apr. 2023 um 20:52 Uhr schrieb ascpgh :

> I have a SON QR disc hub on my commuter (love it, thanks Peter W.) and had
> it built so I could move it to my Rambouillet when I tire of either the
> bike (Disc Trucker) or no longer need a commuter.  So it has the same rim
> as my Ram and the disc mount is lockring instead of 6-bolt. A quarter turn
> with a Shimano cartridge BB/cassette lockring tool and it's gone. I
> unsderstand the flange stance difference between the disc and rim brake
> spec hubs but seems within reasonableness given that both are pretty large
> diameter flanges compared to non-generator hubs when considering the loss
> of flange width between the two. I felt like was getting two birds with one
> stone.
>
> Future proof? My fifteen year experiment with discs on drop bar, bar end
> shifter bikes lead me to spec cantilevers on my custom two years ago. I'll
> gladly accept the the variables I know about brakes, braking, parts,
> pieces, installation and adjustment over unique, sporadic mystery sounds
> and finickiness that are beyond control and lead to throwing new parts into
> the system at a rate embarrassing compared to rim brakes.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 7:47:32 AM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking to get the Son dynamo hub. Considering it's price I'd rather
>> make an informed (still quite impulsive) decision..hah!
>>
>> I have a bike with both rim and disc brake mounts (with QR) so I usually
>> buy disc hubs, to future proof the hub purchase, but continue to run
>> v-brakes (for now). Is this a sound approach to continue with this buy i.e.
>> disc hubs with v-brake rims?
>>
>> Based on SON's website, I think Son28 would be appropriate considering
>> it's better to charge devices at low speeds. So, in this case I would take
>> the "SON 28 Hub Dynamo - 6-Bolt - QR".
>>
>> Thank you for your insight!
>> Peter
>>
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