[RBW] Re: Clickers for Jim cassettes

[Luke Hendrickson]

Ha! I love that set up. I have full friction on my Riv but friction front 
and indexed rear on my Soma which is pleasant and very, very easy to use. 

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 10:19:47 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's so...*normal. *My fancy schmancy custom now has a 
> click-rear/friction-front 7-speed drivetrain just like my bikes from 30 
> years ago! I'm kinda surprised how much I like it. 
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:57:54 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> S-Ride stuff is great for the price! Admittedly I just started working 
>> for Jim at Merry Sales/Soma Fab so take that with a grain of salt…
>>
>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:18:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I mentioned this on my immediately irrelevant "Double 1x" thread cuz I 
>>> pulled that drivetrain, but nobody's going to read it there. You can read 
>>> it here! 
>>>
>>> If friction isn't your thing but you like the idea of those 7-speed Jim 
>>> cassettes, S Ride makes a cheap and functional trigger shifter for it. Save 
>>> weight and money with a plastic shifter! 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clickers for Jim cassettes

[Joe Bernard]

It's so...*normal. *My fancy schmancy custom now has a 
click-rear/friction-front 7-speed drivetrain just like my bikes from 30 
years ago! I'm kinda surprised how much I like it. 

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:57:54 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> S-Ride stuff is great for the price! Admittedly I just started working for 
> Jim at Merry Sales/Soma Fab so take that with a grain of salt…
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:18:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I mentioned this on my immediately irrelevant "Double 1x" thread cuz I 
>> pulled that drivetrain, but nobody's going to read it there. You can read 
>> it here! 
>>
>> If friction isn't your thing but you like the idea of those 7-speed Jim 
>> cassettes, S Ride makes a cheap and functional trigger shifter for it. Save 
>> weight and money with a plastic shifter! 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clickers for Jim cassettes

[Luke Hendrickson]

S-Ride stuff is great for the price! Admittedly I just started working for 
Jim at Merry Sales/Soma Fab so take that with a grain of salt…

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:18:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I mentioned this on my immediately irrelevant "Double 1x" thread cuz I 
> pulled that drivetrain, but nobody's going to read it there. You can read 
> it here! 
>
> If friction isn't your thing but you like the idea of those 7-speed Jim 
> cassettes, S Ride makes a cheap and functional trigger shifter for it. Save 
> weight and money with a plastic shifter! 
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS 650b and 700c Shimano/Velocity Atlas wheelsets (x-posted ibob)

[Rich Powers]

Both sets are new & professionally built. Proceeds going to the local co-op
sponsoring our wheel-building course. BOTH prices include shipping.


Pictures at: https://goo.gl/photos/7FKym17mpqFnDNFA7   Paypal preferred
this address. Please contact me off-list with questions.


Rich in Des Moines


650b Velocity Atlas rims w/ Shimano 32-hole 105 hubs (130 mm width)
8/9/10/11-speed Sapim Race DB 2.0-1.8-2.0 silver spokes, Sapim brass secure
lock nipples. Price reduced $300 net to me.

700c 32 hole Velocity Atlas rims Sapim Race DB 2.0-1.8-2.0 silver spokes,
brass nipples. Wheel Fanatyk “Fix” spoke-prep applied. Rear hub is a
Shimano Deore 135 mm width 8, 9, 10-speed cassette. Front is Shimano 400.
Both hubs are black. Reduced to $275 net.

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[RBW] Re: Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[Jeffrey Arita]

Patrick,

One caveat: if you want the verbal (voice) turn-by-turn feature that 
ridewithgps offers (for routes), then you will need to pay for either a 
Basic or Premium subscription.  The free version does not offer this 
specific feature:

https://support.ridewithgps.com/hc/en-us/articles/4419572706971-Turn-by-Turn-Navigation

Ask me how I know ;)

We finally upgraded to the Premium subscription, primarily because that 
level enables one to 'archive' routes (we have many, many routes and they 
grow as time moves forward).  Archiving routes enables one to 'activate' 
only those routes one wants to (perhaps) synchronize to their desired gps 
standalone device (without having to scroll through dozens and dozens of 
irrelevent routes).  

Just wanted to offer a different perspective.

Good luck,

Jeff
Claremont, CA

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:52:39 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Many thanks all; the unanimous and very quick agreement on Ridewithgps 
> speaks well of it and I'lll check it out.
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:56 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we 
>> often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on 
>> direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there are 
>> often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total 
>> distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; or 
>> I hope one does.
>>
>> I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard and 
>> resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps there 
>> is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route that can 
>> get me there.
>>
>> The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time 
>> following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially 
>> dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and 
>> distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a 
>> verbal instruction sheet.
>>
>> I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.
>>
>> But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out 
>> such a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app will 
>> walk you through the turns and distances?
>>
>> Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.
>>
>> Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to 
>> operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what 
>> have you. But (1) I will *not* talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) the 
>> routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google or 
>> Apple systems.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very funny 
>> Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.
>>
>> -- 
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[Patrick Moore]

Set up account, traced route, saved it. Now I have to figure out how to log
in to my (gag me with a spoon) App Store account. More later.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 5:52 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Many thanks all; the unanimous and very quick agreement on Ridewithgps
> speaks well of it and I'lll check it out.
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:56 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we
>> often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on
>> direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there are
>> often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total
>> distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; or
>> I hope one does.
>>
>> I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard and
>> resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps there
>> is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route that can
>> get me there.
>>
>> The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time
>> following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially
>> dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and
>> distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a
>> verbal instruction sheet.
>>
>> I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.
>>
>> But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out
>> such a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app will
>> walk you through the turns and distances?
>>
>> Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.
>>
>> Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to
>> operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what
>> have you. But (1) I will *not* talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) the
>> routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google or
>> Apple systems.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very funny
>> Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[Steve]

Adam, let us know what you discover when (& if) you loosed the ring. To my 
eye your picture looks like the thin washer on the lock ring shredded (if 
there was one - usually is with Shimano in my experience)

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:43:33 PM UTC-4 David Hallerman wrote:

> I think, Luke, part of my response was colored by years of reading some 
> fellows -- whether here or other digital bike spaces -- disparage the use 
> of torque wrenches. But even though I didn't mean tough guy by my use of 
> "masculine," I failed when I put it in gender terms. I'm sorry.
>
> But o'wise, sure, torque wrenches are another tool. And I can see how 
> there's virtue in having fewer tools. But since torque wrenches help insure 
> correct installation of parts, even with experienced hands, I would think 
> many hobbyists who are often less experienced would benefit from that kind 
> of accuracy.
>
> Then again, I value accuracy.
>
> Dave, who has carefully assembled over 100 bicycle frames over the years 
> for myself my wife and friends and so that's where part of my perspective 
> comes from
>
> ==
> On 5/1/23 12:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
> Dave - 
>
> I guess my comment might have led you to believe that I have a tough guy 
> mechanic attitude which just isn’t the case. I have over-torqued lockrings, 
> but it’s easy to back off and the issue of over-torquing isn’t dire like 
> with over-torquing a threaded bb (I always use a torque wrench for that).
>
> Be that as it may, most (not all) bike mechanics I’ve met are not tough 
> guys looking to prove a point. My aim with my comment was to share my 
> opinion that most hobbyists spend too much time faffing with tools and 
> buying tools when that often isn’t needed/is overly expensive. 
>
> Luke, a sensitive, approachable bike mechanic who wishes to lower the 
> economic entry point for at-home mechanics as much as possible
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:19:20 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> 40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a torque wrench 
>> to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet the ring is typically quite 
>> easy to take off, with greased threads of course.
>>
>> While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of various 
>> bike threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it gets me closer to 
>> exact than hand feel might. For me, the higher the required Nm value, like 
>> a lockring’s 40Nm, the more difficult it can be to get exact (or close to) 
>> without a torque wrench.
>>
>> Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike mechanics think 
>> working without a torque wrench is somehow more masculine 
>>
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque recommended is 
>>> 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never have to remove one torqued to 
>>> that number!
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for cassettes and tighten 
 by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a must for everything in my experience. 

 On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: 30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.png]Adam, 
>
> I just purchased the attached which can be had for about $40-50.
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone,
>>
>> I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand not to have things 
>> riding shape) and the case is closed for now.
>>
>> It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a few bits of 
>> aluminum, which I cleaned off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased, 
>> re-installed and took it a little easier on the tightening. All seems 
>> good 
>> to ride.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling my procress is to 
>>> give it a good extra tug after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start 
>>> and 
>>> call it a day. I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones and it ain't 
>>> pretty! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is 
 fresh. I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with 
 lockrings 
 because if they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for 
 me 
 is the shifting has gone weird.   

 When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly 
 seated. If needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR 
 and a 
 couple of washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female 
 splines 
 on the lockring.

 IanA

 On Sunday, A

Re: [RBW] Deer-bike collision

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Wow!  Glad to hear that neither you nor the deer went down and you (and the
deer) are ok!

Toshi


On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:58 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:

> One of my co-workers says he captured a deer hit on Mt. Lemmon in AZ 4
> years ago: https://youtu.be/MaLmkS_WRGk
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:05 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
>> Those are some funny looking deer you have down there.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin, TX
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 11:12 PM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> Here it's the kangaroos you have to worry about:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0UF-hDKGw.
>>>
>>> Whenever I see a kangaroo anywhere near while out riding - I usually see
>>> them several times a week - I go absolutely dead slow until I'm sure the
>>> kangaroo is a reasonable distance away and heading in the other direction.
>>> Several of my friends have been taken out by kangaroos or wallabies while
>>> out riding. They (the animals, that is) are pretty erratic, and can turn
>>> very sharply - the engineers from Volvo in charge of their animal collision
>>> avoidance system spent quite a while at the local Tidbinbilla Nature
>>> Reserve a few years ago analysing kangaroos, but AFAIK they have not
>>> managed to adapt their software that works with moose, cows, etc to
>>> successfully cope with kangaroos:
>>> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/engineers-testing-volvo-s-driverless-technology-have-hit-a-problem-kangaroos/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>> Canberra
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[RBW] Re: Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[Patrick Moore]

Many thanks all; the unanimous and very quick agreement on Ridewithgps
speaks well of it and I'lll check it out.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:56 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we
> often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on
> direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there are
> often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total
> distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; or
> I hope one does.
>
> I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard and
> resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps there
> is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route that can
> get me there.
>
> The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time
> following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially
> dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and
> distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a
> verbal instruction sheet.
>
> I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.
>
> But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out such
> a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app will walk
> you through the turns and distances?
>
> Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.
>
> Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to
> operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what
> have you. But (1) I will *not* talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) the
> routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google or
> Apple systems.
>
> Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very funny
> Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Deer-bike collision

[藍俊彪]

One of my co-workers says he captured a deer hit on Mt. Lemmon in AZ 4
years ago: https://youtu.be/MaLmkS_WRGk

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:05 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Those are some funny looking deer you have down there.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 11:12 PM Nick Payne  wrote:
>
>> Here it's the kangaroos you have to worry about:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0UF-hDKGw.
>>
>> Whenever I see a kangaroo anywhere near while out riding - I usually see
>> them several times a week - I go absolutely dead slow until I'm sure the
>> kangaroo is a reasonable distance away and heading in the other direction.
>> Several of my friends have been taken out by kangaroos or wallabies while
>> out riding. They (the animals, that is) are pretty erratic, and can turn
>> very sharply - the engineers from Volvo in charge of their animal collision
>> avoidance system spent quite a while at the local Tidbinbilla Nature
>> Reserve a few years ago analysing kangaroos, but AFAIK they have not
>> managed to adapt their software that works with moose, cows, etc to
>> successfully cope with kangaroos:
>> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/engineers-testing-volvo-s-driverless-technology-have-hit-a-problem-kangaroos/
>> .
>>
>> Nick Payne
>> Canberra
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dull-bright Bullmoose bars

[Edward Garnica]

Oh I’m not selling them if anything I’m building a new step through for my
partner and I’ll keep these and swap out the MAP bars I’m currently using.
But, I do want them not dull-bright. Not a biggie, but figured I’d through
this out and see if anyone had suggestions or advice.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 2:54 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> The first thing I would do is ride then a while to be sure you like them,
> at which point the finish may grow on you, too (personally I love it). If
> you decided to resell them later your modification might be an issue.*
>
> * Ask me how I know after I've trimmed the ends off perfectly good
> handlebars, then tried to sell later 😬
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-7 edwardb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Just got some in the mail. Heavy, comfortable, beautiful. The one thing
>> I’d like to change, don’t really care for the full-bright look. Is there
>> any way to polish them? Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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[RBW] Re: Dull-bright Bullmoose bars

[Joe Bernard]

The first thing I would do is ride then a while to be sure you like them, 
at which point the finish may grow on you, too (personally I love it). If 
you decided to resell them later your modification might be an issue.*

* Ask me how I know after I've trimmed the ends off perfectly good 
handlebars, then tried to sell later 😬

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:42:51 PM UTC-7 edwardb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just got some in the mail. Heavy, comfortable, beautiful. The one thing 
> I’d like to change, don’t really care for the full-bright look. Is there 
> any way to polish them? Any suggestions? 
>
> Thanks
>
>
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[RBW] Dull-bright Bullmoose bars

[Edward Garnica]

Just got some in the mail. Heavy, comfortable, beautiful. The one thing I’d
like to change, don’t really care for the full-bright look. Is there any
way to polish them? Any suggestions?

Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[James M]

Another vote for RWGPS.  I use it with my phone and a Quad Lock mount.  
Great route planning on the computer.

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:16:19 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Another RideWithGPS user - it has been my go to for route creation (and 
> ride/mileage tracking) for a long time and it has continued to improve in 
> its ease of use. I usually export routes and load them onto a Garmin GPS or 
> into my phone for use with various apps.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:28:25 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Another vote for RideWithGPS + iPhone and/or computer (mine, a Wahoo 
>> Element).
>>
>> Patch, still always lost in, and around, NYC
>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:12:40 PM UTC-4 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ridewithgps lets you build routes on your pc and navigate them through 
>>> the iPhone app. It does audible directions as well. Normally I build the 
>>> route on my computer and then load the ride on my bike computer (Hammerhead 
>>> Karoo or Wahoo Element). I have just used the iPhone app at times. Works 
>>> great. Komoot should do the job too but I’m not as familiar with it. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, 
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we 
>>> often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on 
>>> direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there are 
>>> often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total 
>>> distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; or 
>>> I hope one does.
>>>
>>> I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard and 
>>> resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps there 
>>> is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route that can 
>>> get me there.
>>>
>>> The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time 
>>> following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially 
>>> dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and 
>>> distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a 
>>> verbal instruction sheet.
>>>
>>> I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.
>>>
>>> But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out 
>>> such a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app will 
>>> walk you through the turns and distances?
>>>
>>> Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.
>>>
>>> Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to 
>>> operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what 
>>> have you. But (1) I will *not* talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) the 
>>> routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google or 
>>> Apple systems.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very funny 
>>> Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[DavidP]

Another RideWithGPS user - it has been my go to for route creation (and 
ride/mileage tracking) for a long time and it has continued to improve in 
its ease of use. I usually export routes and load them onto a Garmin GPS or 
into my phone for use with various apps.

-Dave

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:28:25 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> Another vote for RideWithGPS + iPhone and/or computer (mine, a Wahoo 
> Element).
>
> Patch, still always lost in, and around, NYC
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:12:40 PM UTC-4 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ridewithgps lets you build routes on your pc and navigate them through 
>> the iPhone app. It does audible directions as well. Normally I build the 
>> route on my computer and then load the ride on my bike computer (Hammerhead 
>> Karoo or Wahoo Element). I have just used the iPhone app at times. Works 
>> great. Komoot should do the job too but I’m not as familiar with it. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we 
>> often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on 
>> direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there are 
>> often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total 
>> distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; or 
>> I hope one does.
>>
>> I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard and 
>> resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps there 
>> is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route that can 
>> get me there.
>>
>> The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time 
>> following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially 
>> dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and 
>> distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a 
>> verbal instruction sheet.
>>
>> I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.
>>
>> But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out 
>> such a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app will 
>> walk you through the turns and distances?
>>
>> Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.
>>
>> Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to 
>> operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what 
>> have you. But (1) I will *not* talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) the 
>> routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google or 
>> Apple systems.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very funny 
>> Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[David Hallerman]

I think, Luke, part of my response was colored by years of reading some 
fellows -- whether here or other digital bike spaces -- disparage the 
use of torque wrenches. But even though I didn't mean tough guy by my 
use of "masculine," I failed when I put it in gender terms. I'm sorry.


But o'wise, sure, torque wrenches are another tool. And I can see how 
there's virtue in having fewer tools. But since torque wrenches help 
insure correct installation of parts, even with experienced hands, I 
would think many hobbyists who are often less experienced would benefit 
from that kind of accuracy.


Then again, I value accuracy.

Dave, who has carefully assembled over 100 bicycle frames over the years 
for myself my wife and friends and so that's where part of my 
perspective comes from


==

On 5/1/23 12:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Dave -

I guess my comment might have led you to believe that I have a tough 
guy mechanic attitude which just isn’t the case. I have over-torqued 
lockrings, but it’s easy to back off and the issue of over-torquing 
isn’t dire like with over-torquing a threaded bb (I always use a 
torque wrench for that).


Be that as it may, most (not all) bike mechanics I’ve met are not 
tough guys looking to prove a point. My aim with my comment was to 
share my opinion that most hobbyists spend too much time faffing with 
tools and buying tools when that often isn’t needed/is overly expensive.


Luke, a sensitive, approachable bike mechanic who wishes to lower the 
economic entry point for at-home mechanics as much as possible

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:19:20 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a torque
wrench to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet the ring is
typically quite easy to take off, with greased threads of course.

While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of
various bike threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it gets
me closer to exact than hand feel might. For me, the higher the
required Nm value, like a lockring’s 40Nm, the more difficult it
can be to get exact (or close to) without a torque wrench.

Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike mechanics
think working without a torque wrench is somehow more masculine

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque
recommended is 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never
have to remove one torqued to that number!

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson
wrote:

Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for
cassettes and tighten by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a
must for everything in my experience.

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke
Hendrickson wrote:

30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.pngAdam,

I just purchased the attached which can be had for
about $40-50.

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

Thanks everyone,

I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand
not to have things riding shape) and the case is
closed for now.

It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a
few bits of aluminum, which I cleaned off.
Everything looks fine, so I re-greased,
re-installed and took it a little easier on the
tightening. All seems good to ride.

Thanks all!

Adam

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe
Bernard wrote:

Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling
my procress is to give it a good extra tug
after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start
and call it a day. I've tried removing the
way-too-tight ones and it ain't pretty!

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7
Ian A wrote:

I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring
now, while the grease is fresh. I've
always erred on the side of not tight
enough with lockrings because if they do
unscrew in use the only thing that has
happened for me is the shifting has gone
weird.

When you unscrew it, just be careful the
removal tool is firmly seated. If needed
and just to get it broken loose, you could
use 

Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[David Hallerman]

Of course that was an opinion Joe. And because you also noted concern 
about having "to remove one torqued to that number," I thought it useful 
to introduce my direct experience with lockrings, measured torque 
values, and good old Phil grease. Heck, for some reason lately I've been 
installing and removing several. So I come from that.


Anyway, I'm not sure why my experience with these parts and tools made 
my comments seem unaware of your perspective. Sorry about that.


Dave, who finds that using a torque wrench more and more after 30 years 
of wrenching mainly without is like a .725 free throw shooter in the NBA 
working to make himself a .900 shooter on freebies since my hands are 
good enough now but they could be significantly better and in fact my 
hands better learn the various common torques even as I use the tool


P.S. Can you tell I have playoff basketball on my mind?

==

On 5/1/23 1:29 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
Also my "seems crazy high" is an opinion. I didn't realize I needed to 
specify "seems to ME" but here we are.


On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:49:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Dave -

I guess my comment might have led you to believe that I have a
tough guy mechanic attitude which just isn’t the case. I have
over-torqued lockrings, but it’s easy to back off and the issue of
over-torquing isn’t dire like with over-torquing a threaded bb (I
always use a torque wrench for that).

Be that as it may, most (not all) bike mechanics I’ve met are not
tough guys looking to prove a point. My aim with my comment was to
share my opinion that most hobbyists spend too much time faffing
with tools and buying tools when that often isn’t needed/is overly
expensive.

Luke, a sensitive, approachable bike mechanic who wishes to lower
the economic entry point for at-home mechanics as much as possible
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:19:20 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a
torque wrench to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet
the ring is typically quite easy to take off, with greased
threads of course.

While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of
various bike threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it
gets me closer to exact than hand feel might. For me, the
higher the required Nm value, like a lockring’s 40Nm, the more
difficult it can be to get exact (or close to) without a
torque wrench.

Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike
mechanics think working without a torque wrench is somehow
more masculine

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard 
wrote:

I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque
recommended is 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never
have to remove one torqued to that number!

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke
Hendrickson wrote:

Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for
cassettes and tighten by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a
must for everything in my experience.

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke
Hendrickson wrote:

30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.pngAdam,

I just purchased the attached which can be had for
about $40-50.

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7
Adam wrote:

Thanks everyone,

I managed to make time to sort it out (can't
stand not to have things riding shape) and the
case is closed for now.

It came off with a bit of a struggle. There
were a few bits of aluminum, which I cleaned
off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased,
re-installed and took it a little easier on
the tightening. All seems good to ride.

Thanks all!

Adam

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5
Joe Bernard wrote:

Agreed with Ian, when it comes to
reinstalling my procress is to give it a
good extra tug after the clattering "it's
tight" sounds start and call it a day.
I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones
and it ain't pretty!

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM
UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

I'd be inclined to unscrew the
lockr

[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Thunder Burt 29x2.1

[Dave Grossman]

SOLD

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:59:56 AM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Final Bump, now $65 shipped
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> Bump and a price drop.
>>
>> $75 Shipped CONUS
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:41:09 PM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> Bought these for my Hunq but have maybe 10 miles on them.  Performance 
>>> Compound, not listed as tubeless ready.
>>>
>>> Asking $85 shipped for the pair CONUS
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/iLJw7GZcMSwJLbdv5
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[Patch T]

Another vote for RideWithGPS + iPhone and/or computer (mine, a Wahoo 
Element).

Patch, still always lost in, and around, NYC
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:12:40 PM UTC-4 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ridewithgps lets you build routes on your pc and navigate them through the 
> iPhone app. It does audible directions as well. Normally I build the route 
> on my computer and then load the ride on my bike computer (Hammerhead Karoo 
> or Wahoo Element). I have just used the iPhone app at times. Works great. 
> Komoot should do the job too but I’m not as familiar with it. 
>
> Cheers, 
>
> Jacob
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 1, 2023, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we 
> often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on 
> direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there are 
> often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total 
> distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; or 
> I hope one does.
>
> I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard and 
> resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps there 
> is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route that can 
> get me there.
>
> The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time 
> following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially 
> dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and 
> distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a 
> verbal instruction sheet.
>
> I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.
>
> But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out such 
> a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app will walk 
> you through the turns and distances?
>
> Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.
>
> Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to 
> operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what 
> have you. But (1) I will *not* talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) the 
> routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google or 
> Apple systems.
>
> Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very funny 
> Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[Jacob Byard]

Ridewithgps lets you build routes on your pc and navigate them through the iPhone app. It does audible directions as well. Normally I build the route on my computer and then load the ride on my bike computer (Hammerhead Karoo or Wahoo Element). I have just used the iPhone app at times. Works great. Komoot should do the job too but I’m not as familiar with it. Cheers, JacobSent from my iPhoneOn May 1, 2023, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there are often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; or I hope one does.I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard and resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps there is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route that can get me there.The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a verbal instruction sheet.I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out such a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app will walk you through the turns and distances?Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what have you. But (1) I will not talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) the routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google or Apple systems.Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very funny Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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[RBW] Bike route mapping & guidance app for iPhone

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we
often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on
direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there are
often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total
distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; or
I hope one does.

I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard and
resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps there
is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route that can
get me there.

The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time
following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially
dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and
distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a
verbal instruction sheet.

I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.

But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out such
a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app will walk
you through the turns and distances?

Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.

Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to
operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what
have you. But (1) I will *not* talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) the
routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google or
Apple systems.

Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very funny
Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.

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Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[Joe Bernard]

Also my "seems crazy high" is an opinion. I didn't realize I needed to 
specify "seems to ME" but here we are. 

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:49:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Dave -
>
> I guess my comment might have led you to believe that I have a tough guy 
> mechanic attitude which just isn’t the case. I have over-torqued lockrings, 
> but it’s easy to back off and the issue of over-torquing isn’t dire like 
> with over-torquing a threaded bb (I always use a torque wrench for that).
>
> Be that as it may, most (not all) bike mechanics I’ve met are not tough 
> guys looking to prove a point. My aim with my comment was to share my 
> opinion that most hobbyists spend too much time faffing with tools and 
> buying tools when that often isn’t needed/is overly expensive. 
>
> Luke, a sensitive, approachable bike mechanic who wishes to lower the 
> economic entry point for at-home mechanics as much as possible
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:19:20 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> 40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a torque wrench 
>> to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet the ring is typically quite 
>> easy to take off, with greased threads of course.
>>
>> While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of various 
>> bike threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it gets me closer to 
>> exact than hand feel might. For me, the higher the required Nm value, like 
>> a lockring’s 40Nm, the more difficult it can be to get exact (or close to) 
>> without a torque wrench.
>>
>> Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike mechanics think 
>> working without a torque wrench is somehow more masculine 
>>
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque recommended is 
>>> 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never have to remove one torqued to 
>>> that number!
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for cassettes and tighten 
 by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a must for everything in my experience. 

 On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: 30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.png]Adam,
>
> I just purchased the attached which can be had for about $40-50.
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone,
>>
>> I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand not to have things 
>> riding shape) and the case is closed for now.
>>
>> It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a few bits of 
>> aluminum, which I cleaned off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased, 
>> re-installed and took it a little easier on the tightening. All seems 
>> good 
>> to ride.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling my procress is to 
>>> give it a good extra tug after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start 
>>> and 
>>> call it a day. I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones and it ain't 
>>> pretty! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is 
 fresh. I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with 
 lockrings 
 because if they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for 
 me 
 is the shifting has gone weird.  

 When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly 
 seated. If needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR 
 and a 
 couple of washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female 
 splines 
 on the lockring.

 IanA

 On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.
>
> I was in the process of replacing a cassette (had not tried this 
> myself before) and I cranked way too hard on a fairly long wrench and 
> over-tightened the lock ring. It dug into the cassette and produced 
> some 
> little shards. (I did grease the threads, and don't think it's 
> cross-threaded, all was fine until the END)
>
> The question: does it make better sense to try to fix this now 
> (loosen and re-tighten), or should I just save this problem for an 
> older, 
> wiser me in a year or two when I change the cassette again?
>
> I know I should get a torque wrench, but . . .
>
> THANKS!
>
> Adam
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[Luke Hendrickson]

Dave -

I guess my comment might have led you to believe that I have a tough guy 
mechanic attitude which just isn’t the case. I have over-torqued lockrings, 
but it’s easy to back off and the issue of over-torquing isn’t dire like 
with over-torquing a threaded bb (I always use a torque wrench for that).

Be that as it may, most (not all) bike mechanics I’ve met are not tough 
guys looking to prove a point. My aim with my comment was to share my 
opinion that most hobbyists spend too much time faffing with tools and 
buying tools when that often isn’t needed/is overly expensive. 

Luke, a sensitive, approachable bike mechanic who wishes to lower the 
economic entry point for at-home mechanics as much as possible
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:19:20 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

> 40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a torque wrench 
> to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet the ring is typically quite 
> easy to take off, with greased threads of course.
>
> While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of various bike 
> threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it gets me closer to exact 
> than hand feel might. For me, the higher the required Nm value, like a 
> lockring’s 40Nm, the more difficult it can be to get exact (or close to) 
> without a torque wrench.
>
> Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike mechanics think 
> working without a torque wrench is somehow more masculine 
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque recommended is 
>> 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never have to remove one torqued to 
>> that number!
>>
>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for cassettes and tighten 
>>> by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a must for everything in my experience. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 [image: 30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.png]Adam,

 I just purchased the attached which can be had for about $40-50.

 On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

> Thanks everyone,
>
> I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand not to have things 
> riding shape) and the case is closed for now.
>
> It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a few bits of 
> aluminum, which I cleaned off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased, 
> re-installed and took it a little easier on the tightening. All seems 
> good 
> to ride.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Adam
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling my procress is to give 
>> it a good extra tug after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start and 
>> call 
>> it a day. I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones and it ain't 
>> pretty! 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is 
>>> fresh. I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with lockrings 
>>> because if they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for 
>>> me 
>>> is the shifting has gone weird.  
>>>
>>> When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly 
>>> seated. If needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR 
>>> and a 
>>> couple of washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female 
>>> splines 
>>> on the lockring.
>>>
>>> IanA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.

 I was in the process of replacing a cassette (had not tried this 
 myself before) and I cranked way too hard on a fairly long wrench and 
 over-tightened the lock ring. It dug into the cassette and produced 
 some 
 little shards. (I did grease the threads, and don't think it's 
 cross-threaded, all was fine until the END)

 The question: does it make better sense to try to fix this now 
 (loosen and re-tighten), or should I just save this problem for an 
 older, 
 wiser me in a year or two when I change the cassette again?

 I know I should get a torque wrench, but . . .

 THANKS!

 Adam

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[RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[Ronald Halili]

I removed the Obento Rack/Wald Basket/Nitto Light Mount and dropped the 
price to $4500 complete and $2000 frameset only. This was an impulse build 
that I regret. I started the price at slightly lower than what I paid but I 
realize now that price is too high. I'm looking to sell the Gus to buy a 
Clem Smith Jr. L complete 45 or 52 with simpler parts and keep the extra 
cash.

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:55:18 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Gus, 54cm
> $5,500
> Brooklyn, NY
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-bicycle-works-gus/7613498712.html
>
> (it's tricked out, but wowza that price!)
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:09:26 AM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> Roadini, 61cm
>> $2400, Orange!
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.html
>>
>> Romulus, 24"
>> $850
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-romulus/7613561566.html
>>
>> Legolas, 59cm
>> $3400
>> Portland, OR area
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.html
>>
>> Atlantis, 61cm
>> $2500
>> Port Townsend, WA
>>
>> https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/nordland-rivendell-atlantis-61cm/7606421089.html
>>
>> Appaloosa, 56cm
>> $2000
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Deer-bike collision

[Jim Bronson]

Those are some funny looking deer you have down there.

Jim
Austin, TX

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 11:12 PM Nick Payne  wrote:

> Here it's the kangaroos you have to worry about:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0UF-hDKGw.
>
> Whenever I see a kangaroo anywhere near while out riding - I usually see
> them several times a week - I go absolutely dead slow until I'm sure the
> kangaroo is a reasonable distance away and heading in the other direction.
> Several of my friends have been taken out by kangaroos or wallabies while
> out riding. They (the animals, that is) are pretty erratic, and can turn
> very sharply - the engineers from Volvo in charge of their animal collision
> avoidance system spent quite a while at the local Tidbinbilla Nature
> Reserve a few years ago analysing kangaroos, but AFAIK they have not
> managed to adapt their software that works with moose, cows, etc to
> successfully cope with kangaroos:
> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/engineers-testing-volvo-s-driverless-technology-have-hit-a-problem-kangaroos/
> .
>
> Nick Payne
> Canberra
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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Thunder Burt 29x2.1

[Dave Grossman]

Final Bump, now $65 shipped

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Bump and a price drop.
>
> $75 Shipped CONUS
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:41:09 PM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> Bought these for my Hunq but have maybe 10 miles on them.  Performance 
>> Compound, not listed as tubeless ready.
>>
>> Asking $85 shipped for the pair CONUS
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/iLJw7GZcMSwJLbdv5
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deer-bike collision

[藍俊彪]

There was no time to think, that was for sure. If he'd gotten a leg into my
spokes or a hoof onto any part of me a crash would have been unavoidable.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 7:05 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 3:25:07 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I think I used up all my luck for the next few years:
> https://www.strava.com/activities/8984851311. Coming down Prospect road
> on my Roadini, a deer tried to cross the road as I came around the corner.
> He swerved, I swerved, but we collided, and bounced. I saw my vision go up
> and down and thought it was all over. Fortunately, there was no traffic on
> the road and I didn't crash.
>
>
> Wow, that's remarkable and a testament to some sharp bike handling skills.
>
> I got taken down by a hawk earlier this year, on my Riv Road. Ended up
> taking it to John Sutherland for a straightening, which it did need, but no
> tube damage.
>
> Hit a deer in my car last week. I don't know if I braked first or my car's
> collision mitigation system did, but it ended up just a glancing blow and
> the deer ran away. It knocked out the headlight washer on the driver side,
> though. Like you, I'm feeling like I used up a bunch of luck.
>
> Nature seems to be fighting back. Very glad you were able to take the
> punch with minimal damage!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Deer-bike collision

[Ted Durant]

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 3:25:07 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

I think I used up all my luck for the next few years: 
https://www.strava.com/activities/8984851311. Coming down Prospect road on 
my Roadini, a deer tried to cross the road as I came around the corner. He 
swerved, I swerved, but we collided, and bounced. I saw my vision go up and 
down and thought it was all over. Fortunately, there was no traffic on the 
road and I didn't crash. 


Wow, that's remarkable and a testament to some sharp bike handling skills.

I got taken down by a hawk earlier this year, on my Riv Road. Ended up 
taking it to John Sutherland for a straightening, which it did need, but no 
tube damage.

Hit a deer in my car last week. I don't know if I braked first or my car's 
collision mitigation system did, but it ended up just a glancing blow and 
the deer ran away. It knocked out the headlight washer on the driver side, 
though. Like you, I'm feeling like I used up a bunch of luck.

Nature seems to be fighting back. Very glad you were able to take the punch 
with minimal damage!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA 

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[RBW] Re: Sharing your winter ride photos northern hemisphere Spring 2023

[WETH]

Thanks John and Paul.  It is a keeper!  The tire size is 27.5 x 2.35 and 
makes for a great ride.
All the best,
Erl


On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:21:07 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Very groovy looking Hunq, Weth! How big are those tires? Bikie's right. 
> They mean business!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:26:26 PM UTC-7 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Erl, that Hunq looks like it means business! Very nice. Beautiful photos 
>> too.
>> I've watched you try a number of Rivendells over time, but this one looks 
>> like a keeper.
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:44:48 AM UTC-4 WETH wrote:
>>
>>> In celebration of National Parks week here in the United States, I rode 
>>> my Hunq along the C&O Canal on Monday.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:42:18 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Spring is slow to arrive in southwestern Wisconsin this year, and miles 
 have been earned. Cold winds and snow squalls alternating with sun seem to 
 be the norm, even more so than usual. The woods is starting to green and 
 the bloodroot blooming, so warmer days are coming!
 Randy
 "Spring hopes eternal"
 [image: Appaloosa 042523RBF.jpg]
 On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:07:22 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

>
>
> My brother-in-law has been visiting his elderly father for three weeks 
> and needed to stretch his legs. We did a 42-miles mixed surface country 
> ride rambling around on our Homers through upper Cumberland county, Va. 
> on 
> a bright, cool, beautiful day. Life is good on a bike!
> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720307788075 
> *
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Virginia, where all the place names have English or Native 
> American origins.
>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Mike Packard]

https://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/austin-rivendell-roscoe-bubbe-project/7616125380.html

Mike in ATX

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:48:40 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Yeah, but this bike is in a city where a condo costs $35-million.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Apr 26, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> That's a ridiculous price...parts are nice but nothing special...someone's 
> cashing in on the Rivendell brand IMO. Frame is $2000. Is the part spec 
> worth $3500?
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Gus, 54cm
>> $5,500
>> Brooklyn, NY
>>
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-bicycle-works-gus/7613498712.html
>>
>> (it's tricked out, but wowza that price!)
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:09:26 AM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Roadini, 61cm
>>> $2400, Orange!
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.html
>>>
>>> Romulus, 24"
>>> $850
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-romulus/7613561566.html
>>>
>>> Legolas, 59cm
>>> $3400
>>> Portland, OR area
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.html
>>>
>>> Atlantis, 61cm
>>> $2500
>>> Port Townsend, WA
>>>
>>> https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/nordland-rivendell-atlantis-61cm/7606421089.html
>>>
>>> Appaloosa, 56cm
>>> $2000
>>> Portland, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html
>>>
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[RBW] Spring Estate Sale

[esoterica etc]

 

Howdy y’all,


Happy May! Thanks to everyone that helped me scale down last fall for my 
family’s upcoming move to Hawaii. I’ve gathered together the last of my 
parts and components to sell for one last push to get us on our way.


The prices listed do not include shipping, but I’ll be using Pirateship.com 
and Bikeflights to ship, and I’ve got boxes of all shapes and sizes and a 
postage scale, so I can find the best rates to ship your stuff. *PayPal or 
money order accepted for payment*. If you’d like more pics or info, please 
reach out; I’m usually pretty quick about getting back to you. Local pickup 
welcome in Raleigh, NC for those of you nearby, and you can save on the 
shipping charge. Thanks for looking and have a great week!


~Mark Higa

Raleigh, NC


Link to pics are here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15VSiRPltFOZVcXxU9f5AZRIR8Stwf2VG?usp=sharing


*Tires*

   1. Pair of Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge 700c x 42 Endurance casing, brand 
   new in unopened bags - $150/pair 
   2. Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge 700c x 42 Extralight casing, brand new in 
   unopened bag - $75 single 
   3. Pair of Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass 700c x 44 Endurance casing, light 
   use - $100/pair 
   4. Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 42mm (27.5 x 1.75), extensive use - $15 
   5. Pacenti Pari Moto 650b x 38mm (27.5 x 1.50), extensive use - $15


*Bags and Racks*

   1. Osprey Escapist 30 backpack (excellent on- and off-bike utility, good 
   review here: https://www.trailspace.com/gear/osprey/escapist-30/ ) - $75 
   2. Velo Orange Day Tripper saddle bag, older style, out-of-production 
   color - $55 
   3. Timbuk2 convertible backpack/shoulder bag, red - $60 
   4. Timbuk2 Bolo XL waterproof messenger bag, heavy use; gray, yellow, 
   maroon - $20 
   5. Portland Design Works Takeout basket rack with roll-top bag - $65 
   6. Arkel Randonneur rack (includes wide rails adapter, for use with 
   Brooks and similar saddles) - $50 
   7. Unknown vintage stem rack/standoff for handlebar bag - $20 
   8. Pletscher sprung clamp rack silver  - $15 


*Shifters*

   1. Rivendell Silver 1 bar end shifters with Shimano pods - $50 
   2. Microshift right bar end 10-speed shifter (index or friction), brand 
   new - $40 
   3. Suntour Power Ratchet downtube shifters - $20 
   4. Suntour Accushift right thumb shifter, 7/8 speed index or friction - 
   $15 
   5. Shimano 600 downtube braze-on shifters, friction only - $30 
   6. Suntour 3000 Alpha Accushift downtube braze-on shifters - $15 
   7. Shimano Deore SL-MT62 7-speed indexed/friction thumb shifters - $15 


*Cranks*

   1. Rivendell Silver triple crankset, 44/34/24 with 173mm arms, 110/74 
   BCD - $190 
   2. Shimano 600 double cranks, 170mm arms, 130 BCD - $30 
   3. Suntour Cyclone double cranks, 170mm arms, 144 BCD - $25 


*Brakes/Brake Levers*

Brakes-

   1. Shimano 600 BR-6207 side pull brakes (47-57mm reach) - $30 
   2. Shimano 600 BR-6208 side pull brakes (39-49mm reach) - $30 
   3. Suntour Cyclone side pull brakes - $15 
   4. Dia Compe center pull brakes - $15 


Brake Levers-

   1. Shimano Tiagra (the kind that Riv sells) - $35 
   2. Dia Compe non-aero levers w/ quick release and Cane Creek gum hoods - 
   $30 
   3. Tektro RX 2.0 cross “interrupter” levers - $15 
   4. Dia Compe AGC levers w/ black Dia Compe hoods - $20 
   5. Suntour XC LTD levers (22.2 clamp diameter) - $20 


*Handlebars*

   1. Soma Portola 530mm wide, 26.0 clamp diameter - $20 
   2. Salsa Moto Ace 560mm wide, 25.4 clamp diameter, 17* sweep - $20 


*Cassettes and Chains*

   1. Shimano CS-HG80 11-32 9-speed cassette, brand new - $40 
   2. Shimano 13-26 8-speed cassette - $20 
   3. SRAM 12-26 10-speed cassette - $20 
   4. SRAM 12-26 8-speed cassette - $15 
   5. KMC X10 10-speed chain, fitted (but not cut) on bike, unused; decided 
   to use a 9-speed chain - $15 


*Derailleurs (front & rear)*

Rear derailleurs-

   1. Shimano Deore DX RD-M650 long cage - $25 
   2. Shimano Deore RD-MT62 long cage - $20 
   3. Suntour XC-Expert Accushift Plus - $20  
   4. Shimano 600 RD-6207 short cage (two available) - $20 each 


Front derailleurs-

   1. Shimano XT FD-M739 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $25 
   2. Shimano Deore FD-M510 9 speed bottom pull 34.9 clamp - $20 
   3. Shimano 105 FD-5600 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $25 
   4. Shimano 600 bottom pull 28.6 clamp - $20 


*Misc.*

   1. Kool Stop thinline salmon pads, 3 pairs- two pair are new (one pair 
   was mounted but didn’t work with my brake/rim combo) - $25 
   2. Velo Orange 1” threaded decaleur kit, includes receiver and bag mount 
   - $20 
   3. Icebreaker Bodyfitzone seamless merino wool underwear, brand new in 
   box - $30 
   4. CrankBrothers Stamp 1 pedals special edition white w/ gold pins (near 
   new) - $40 
   5. All City anodized pedals red cages with Sakae leather straps and toe 
   clips - $30 
   6. Lyotard pedals - $10 
   7. Crane brass bell - $10 
   8. Mountain Hardwear technical short sleeve polo w/ quarter zip

Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[David Hallerman]

40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a torque wrench
to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet the ring is typically quite
easy to take off, with greased threads of course.

While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of various bike
threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it gets me closer to exact
than hand feel might. For me, the higher the required Nm value, like a
lockring’s 40Nm, the more difficult it can be to get exact (or close to)
without a torque wrench.

Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike mechanics think
working without a torque wrench is somehow more masculine

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque recommended is
> 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never have to remove one torqued to
> that number!
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for cassettes and tighten
>> by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a must for everything in my experience.
>>
>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.png]Adam,
>>>
>>> I just purchased the attached which can be had for about $40-50.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>>
 Thanks everyone,

 I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand not to have things
 riding shape) and the case is closed for now.

 It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a few bits of
 aluminum, which I cleaned off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased,
 re-installed and took it a little easier on the tightening. All seems good
 to ride.

 Thanks all!

 Adam

 On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling my procress is to give
> it a good extra tug after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start and 
> call
> it a day. I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones and it ain't pretty!
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is
>> fresh. I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with lockrings
>> because if they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for me
>> is the shifting has gone weird.
>>
>> When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly
>> seated. If needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR 
>> and a
>> couple of washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female splines
>> on the lockring.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.
>>>
>>> I was in the process of replacing a cassette (had not tried this
>>> myself before) and I cranked way too hard on a fairly long wrench and
>>> over-tightened the lock ring. It dug into the cassette and produced some
>>> little shards. (I did grease the threads, and don't think it's
>>> cross-threaded, all was fine until the END)
>>>
>>> The question: does it make better sense to try to fix this now
>>> (loosen and re-tighten), or should I just save this problem for an 
>>> older,
>>> wiser me in a year or two when I change the cassette again?
>>>
>>> I know I should get a torque wrench, but . . .
>>>
>>> THANKS!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS - Jandd Touring Racks -

[chintan jadwani]

Hello, sent you a PM :)

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:35:28 PM UTC+5:30 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> Front (Extreme)  and rear (Expedition) racks in my excess pile - very well 
> built. Dusty with a few paint chips. $50 + actual shipping from PA for both 
> or can arrange for local pick up. 
>
> Marty
>
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[RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[Joe Bernard]

I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque recommended is 
40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never have to remove one torqued to 
that number!

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for cassettes and tighten by 
> feel. A torque wrench isn’t a must for everything in my experience. 
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: 30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.png]Adam,
>>
>> I just purchased the attached which can be had for about $40-50.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone,
>>>
>>> I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand not to have things 
>>> riding shape) and the case is closed for now.
>>>
>>> It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a few bits of aluminum, 
>>> which I cleaned off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased, re-installed 
>>> and took it a little easier on the tightening. All seems good to ride.
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling my procress is to give 
 it a good extra tug after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start and 
 call 
 it a day. I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones and it ain't pretty! 

 On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

> I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is 
> fresh. I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with lockrings 
> because if they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for me 
> is the shifting has gone weird.  
>
> When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly 
> seated. If needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR and 
> a 
> couple of washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female splines 
> on the lockring.
>
> IanA
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.
>>
>> I was in the process of replacing a cassette (had not tried this 
>> myself before) and I cranked way too hard on a fairly long wrench and 
>> over-tightened the lock ring. It dug into the cassette and produced some 
>> little shards. (I did grease the threads, and don't think it's 
>> cross-threaded, all was fine until the END)
>>
>> The question: does it make better sense to try to fix this now 
>> (loosen and re-tighten), or should I just save this problem for an 
>> older, 
>> wiser me in a year or two when I change the cassette again?
>>
>> I know I should get a torque wrench, but . . .
>>
>> THANKS!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[Luke Hendrickson]

Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for cassettes and tighten by 
feel. A torque wrench isn’t a must for everything in my experience. 

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: 30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.png]Adam,
>
> I just purchased the attached which can be had for about $40-50.
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone,
>>
>> I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand not to have things 
>> riding shape) and the case is closed for now.
>>
>> It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a few bits of aluminum, 
>> which I cleaned off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased, re-installed 
>> and took it a little easier on the tightening. All seems good to ride.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling my procress is to give it 
>>> a good extra tug after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start and call it 
>>> a day. I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones and it ain't pretty! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is fresh. 
 I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with lockrings because 
 if 
 they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for me is the 
 shifting has gone weird.  

 When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly seated. 
 If needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR and a couple 
 of washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female splines on the 
 lockring.

 IanA

 On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.
>
> I was in the process of replacing a cassette (had not tried this 
> myself before) and I cranked way too hard on a fairly long wrench and 
> over-tightened the lock ring. It dug into the cassette and produced some 
> little shards. (I did grease the threads, and don't think it's 
> cross-threaded, all was fine until the END)
>
> The question: does it make better sense to try to fix this now (loosen 
> and re-tighten), or should I just save this problem for an older, wiser 
> me 
> in a year or two when I change the cassette again?
>
> I know I should get a torque wrench, but . . .
>
> THANKS!
>
> Adam
>


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