[RBW] FS: 58cm MUSA Atlantis f/f/hs, 55cm Crust Lightning Bolt f/f/hs, and various parts

[Erik from Saint Paul]

Not very active on this forum, but figured this would be the best place to 
list first.
Looking to sell my 58cm Waterford built Atlantis. I bought it in 2018 from 
Rivendell for $2400. It was originally built for someone else, but the 
water bottle bosses on the seat tube were a bit off kilter, so it was sold 
for a slight discount. Never had any issues with mounting a bottle cage and 
nothing ever got in the way. Frame is in really good shape overall, but 
there are a few cosmetic issues like minor scratches, some paint peeling 
around fender and rack bosses, and a slight paint bulge where the front 
derailleur was mounted. It's been a great bike, but I just don't ride it as 
often as other bikes I have, so I think it's best to let it go. Located in 
the Minneapolis/St Paul area and will meet up within the metro area if 
interested.
Color: British racing green
Wheel size: 700c
Headset: Chris King
Seatpost: 26.8mm, Kalloy Uno (included with sale)
Brake cable hangers: Nitto front and rear (included with sale)

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1oxlevH9kCvQy_amBUuEsh6Vjo8qQ3VIV?usp=share_link

Asking $1800 + actual shipping cost.
Also have a set of Velocity Dyad rims laced to Shimano LX hubs that I'll 
throw in for an extra $150 if you're interested.


55cm Crust Lightning Bolt Frameset with Campagnolo Record Headset. Frame is 
in very good condition with a minor scratch and scuff here and there. Fits 
650b x 42mm tires under fenders just fine. 
Asking $750 + actual shipping cost.


Other parts for sale:

Nitto mustache bars $20

Tektro drop bar brake levers (short pull): $15

Velo Orange quill stem 31.8 clamp, 90mm: $20

Velo Orange quill stem 31.8 clamp, 80mm (new): $30

Velo Orange treadless stem 31.8 clam, 110mm: $20

Velo Orange treadless stem 31.8 clam, 80mm: $20

Handsome Cycles quill stem 25.4 clamp, 80mm: $10

Sram Rival left double shifter: $25

Sram Rival front and rear derailleurs: $50

Dia Compe ratcheting downtube shifter: $30

Tektro Oryx cantilever brakes front and rear: $30

Shipping not included in list price of parts.




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[RBW] Re: Billie Bar Hooks

[Ed Carolipio]

Not me but other folks who ride the hooks on the Albatross flip the bar 
upside down so the hooks are higher than the grips, cafe racer style. In 
this configuration, your wrist rolls over and out rather than inward on 
that outer curve portion. The effect should be similar with the Billie.

You can also move your shifters so they're not on top of your brake lever. 
That opens up a hand position partially over but still in front of the 
brake lever. One option to do that with thumb shifters is to flip the 
left-and-right shifters so the shifters are inboard of the brake lever. 
(Riv has pictures that show that and other ways to move the shifters around 
here .) I did 
that recently and it makes friction shifting trivially easy. Of course, you 
can also move the shifters away from the handlebar completely which opens 
up even more real estate - see the photos from Riv for examples.

Bike Snob flipped his Choco bars and put his shifters inboard. 
https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/09/20/flipping-out/

--Ed C.

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:31:34 PM UTC-7 BobW wrote:

> I recently converted my Sam from drops to Billie Bars.  I do like the 
> Billie Bars a lot, especially the multiple hand positions and upright 
> posture they provide.
>
> I do find myself riding in the "hooks" more often than the swept back 
> portion of the bar though.  I wrapped the hooks with some cork tape, with 
> Newbaums over that.  While this helps with grips and provides some cushion, 
> wondering if there are any other "Billie Bar Hook" riders out there who 
> have augmented the hook section of the bar for greater comfort?  Thanks!
>
>
> [image: thumbnail_IMG_2286.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Leah Peterson]

Hi Caroline,I don’t believe I’ve had the pleasure of “meeting” you on this site, but I am glad to have had the chance via this thread today. Welcome, RivSister. I’m so sorry about your seized stem. Really and truly. I imagine you feel a little sick at heart about the whole thing. But you also wisely acknowledge the enrichment the bike has brought to your life. You have identified the problem and you are getting the bike serviced now, and this will not happen to you again. (You’ll be heavy-handed with the grease after this.) It will be ok! Also, you have done some of us a service because I bet there will be some who will read this post and then check their stems and seat posts.I really enjoyed reading your post and picturing your life with this bike. Would you delight us with a little more of the story? What is the bike you have? How did you choose this bike? Do you have a photo of it? I love to see well-used bikes. They have so much character!Again, I’m SO sorry about your stem, but if Grant knew (I’m assuming it’s one of his bikes) he would be tickled. You did exactly what he hopes - you have used the bike for 15 years and have not made an ornament of it. Bravo, and well done.LeahOn Jun 13, 2023, at 8:41 PM, Caroline Golum  wrote:I was searching this group for a specific query when I stumbled upon this thread so excuse the revival here but it was very heartening. Last week I brought my bike in for a stem swap (shoulder problem, need something shorter) and found out over the weekend that the old stem is frozen (among other issues). Given that I’ve had the bike almost 15 years, and haven’t had a proper overhaul in nearly as long, I was in a real funk about this all day. It’s a costly and time-consuming repair, and I may be sans bike for a few weeks. All day I thought: How could this happen? I’m responsible! I’ve worked in bike shops! I maintain the fine things in my care! Then I read the accounts in this thread and it made me feel a lot better. This is a bike I paid for in installments, it is the first truly fine bike I’ve ever owned. And in the ensuing years I’ve ridden it daily in all manner of weather, left it out overnight after having one too many on too many occasions, and put it through a litany of errands and adventures. It’s like the Argo or Washington’s axe: I’ve replaced things here and there, it’s had many different looks and set-ups, but always the same great ride. And ultimately, this is the point of having a great bike: it’s fantastic every time. So thanks everyone for inadvertently reassuring me that a seized stem isn’t the end of the world (though it sucks). On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:38:42 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:I do like that sentiment. In the spirit of avoiding being too precious to use the bike as much as it should be, I sold the Charlie Gallop because I finally accepted that it was basically my other Riv(s) but I was just more willing to lock it up (within reason). It wasn't a good enough reason for the Hillborne or Bombadil to stay home. It seems like the Hillborne is the more logical equivalent to the Charlie, but given the way I had the Charlie set up (as more of a city hybrid kind of bike) I'm tailoring the Bombadil for the job - it's received a pannier rack and some stickers; the latter probably doesn't do anything other than signal to my brain that this is a modest bike, regardless of its pedigree or value. It has also received some bike rack scuffs. On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:32 PM John Dewey  wrote:Indeed, those Seven Sisters just up the hill.On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the bottom of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM John Dewey  wrote:RBW, here's one that we've been riding daily for all its 18 years...and it's precious as well. Gratefully, we can all have our pie and eat it too.BEST / Jock DeweyOn Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:30:14 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:What a beautiful way to express it. On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit of this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native Japanese, and it was so perfect that I can only imagine it was even better in the original language.On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome the desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items for special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was repeated many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time,  knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road gri

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Caroline Golum]

I was searching this group for a specific query when I stumbled upon this 
thread so excuse the revival here but it was very heartening. 

Last week I brought my bike in for a stem swap (shoulder problem, need 
something shorter) and found out over the weekend that the old stem is 
frozen (among other issues). Given that I’ve had the bike almost 15 years, 
and haven’t had a proper overhaul in nearly as long, I was in a real funk 
about this all day. It’s a costly and time-consuming repair, and I may be 
sans bike for a few weeks. All day I thought: How could this happen? I’m 
responsible! I’ve worked in bike shops! I maintain the fine things in my 
care! Then I read the accounts in this thread and it made me feel a lot 
better. 

This is a bike I paid for in installments, it is the first truly fine bike 
I’ve ever owned. And in the ensuing years I’ve ridden it daily in all 
manner of weather, left it out overnight after having one too many on too 
many occasions, and put it through a litany of errands and adventures. It’s 
like the Argo or Washington’s axe: I’ve replaced things here and there, 
it’s had many different looks and set-ups, but always the same great ride. 
And ultimately, this is the point of having a great bike: it’s fantastic 
every time. So thanks everyone for inadvertently reassuring me that a 
seized stem isn’t the end of the world (though it sucks). 

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:38:42 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I do like that sentiment. In the spirit of avoiding being too precious to 
> use the bike as much as it should be, I sold the Charlie Gallop because I 
> finally accepted that it was basically my other Riv(s) but I was just more 
> willing to lock it up (within reason). It wasn't a good enough reason for 
> the Hillborne or Bombadil to stay home. 
>
> It seems like the Hillborne is the more logical equivalent to the Charlie, 
> but given the way I had the Charlie set up (as more of a city hybrid kind 
> of bike) I'm tailoring the Bombadil for the job - it's received a pannier 
> rack and some stickers; the latter probably doesn't do anything other than 
> signal to my brain that this is a modest bike, regardless of its pedigree 
> or value. It has also received some bike rack scuffs. 
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:32 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Indeed, those Seven Sisters just up the hill.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the 
>>> bottom of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>>>
 RBW, here's one that we've been riding daily for all its 18 years...and 
 it's precious as well. Gratefully, we can all have our pie and eat it too.

 BEST / Jock Dewey



 On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:30:14 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What a beautiful way to express it. 
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit 
>> of this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native 
>> Japanese, and it was so perfect that I can only imagine it was even 
>> better 
>> in the original language.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome 
>>> the desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items 
>>> for 
>>> special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little 
>>> self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's 
>>> meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was 
>>> repeated 
>>> many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time, 
>>>  
>>> knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road 
>>> grime.  
>>> This is even worse when the weather is snotty.  However, I've figured 
>>> out 
>>> to cover the saddle and just live with the rest. Cleaning rags are 
>>> essential gear and besides, it's more important to ride the bike, dirty 
>>> or 
>>> not.
>>>
>>> Theft is always at the back of my mind, especially when I found out 
>>> how easy it is to cut a lock.  It has happened twice.  I went on a 
>>> summer 
>>> camping trip and left the keys to my 1Up rack at home.  A handy 
>>> camp-host 
>>> with a cordless grinder made quick work of it.  Another time, I used my 
>>> OttoLock at the grocery store rack.  The combination dial failed, so I 
>>> went 
>>> next door to the hardware store to borrow a bolt cutter.  The kind 
>>> clerk 
>>> brought one out and cut the lock with one snip!  Lessons learnedbut 
>>> still, I lock it up with m

Re: [RBW] Clean AND Buttery Shifting?

[John Rinker]

Thanks, Eliot. Yes, cable housings are filed and run in very smooth curves 
with no bends. I'll try easing off on the binding. 

Cheers,
John

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 5:35:58 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Also, did you file your cut housing ends?
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 5:34 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>
>> Hey John,
>>
>> It’s a little hard to tell over the internet but based on your 
>> description, a few thoughts come to mind. Are your cable runs clean with 
>> easy bends ? Is your housing contaminated ? Can you ease off the binding 
>> bolt on your shifter ?
>>
>> I have always avoided lubing my cables out of fear of attracting dirt. 
>>
>> Eliot 
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 3:15 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Both my Hunqapillar and Atlantis shift cleanly and, given the state of 
>>> the rider on a given day, precisely. The Hunq has buttery shifting all 
>>> across the rear cogs- easy, smooth, and...buttery! The Atlantis, however, 
>>> is smooth but a little more resistant to change, and requires a little more 
>>> force. 
>>>
>>> Both bikes have the same lengths of cable housing lined with a silicon 
>>> spray and the cables are greased with Slick Honey. The Hunq sports Silver 
>>> Shifters 1.0 and the Atlantis, Gran Compe. Both as bar ends.  Aren't these 
>>> were basically the same shifters?
>>>
>>> So, what gives?
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[Tony Lockhart]

Great news, John. Thanks for making this happen.

On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:59:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> And with that, Tony, you become the 200th rider on the list!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 7:50:08 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Hi John, just added my Hillborne to the list. Thanks!
>>
>> Pretty remarkable to see how many are in the bay area.not so many in 
>> LA. Thanks!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 10:39:01 AM UTC-7 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>>> I love this! Just added me + the Betty, excited to see who else in NYC 
>>> is rocking a Riv <3
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:32:53 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Almost 200 riders on the map now, and quite a few lovely photos of some 
 fine Rivs around the world.

 See the top of the thread if you want to add a pin.

 Cheers, John

 On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:07:35 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Just a reminder on this map if you haven't gone through the thread: 
> You don't need to put your specific address if you'd rather not. A random 
> address in your city or town, or a cross street nearby is enough.
>
> Also, you can add a photo of your bike if you wish. We all love to see 
> the cool bikes about which we are so passionate!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 4:07:26 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Bump on this for those who may have missed it and want to add a pin 
>> to the map. See the top of the thread for instructions.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> I've added Rivendell Dealers to the Riv Rider's Map, and these icons 
>>> are in blue. I used the addresses found on the Riv website, but I'm not 
>>> sure if all of these dealers are still dealers or even in business.
>>>
>>> If anyone knows what I don't, let me know and I'll update the map.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 5:59:52 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Ha, Ray! That's a brilliant idea per Keith's caution about using 
 your specific address. 

 Thanks, Patrick. I'm working on it.

 Cheers, John

 On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 11:38:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> I like this idea. Please do add this feature.
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:45 PM John Rinker  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm playing with the idea of riders being able to add a photo of 
>> their bike such that when one clicks on a map pin not only do you 
>> get info 
>> in the sidebar but also an image of a beautiful bicycle. (You can 
>> check out 
>> the pin I added at RBW as an example)
>>
>> Could be a fun addition. Of course, anyone who has more than one 
>> Riv would have to make a choice. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:05:38 AM UTC-7 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> Good idea! I found the street address of my nearest post office 
>>> and changed my answer to that. It's close enough, and if any bike 
>>> thieves 
>>> go there, they'll be very, very, confused.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:05:08 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 This is great.  Thanks for putting it together! 
  I have couple of suggestions, more for the participant 
 pi-droppers than for John:

 1)  Please be cautious and think twice about listing your 
 actual home address.  Especially if you live somewhere like Denver 
 or 
 Oakland, where bike theft is a major industry.  Thieves could use 
 this info 
 to stake-out and target your place.

 2)  it would be great to list the model(s) and size(s) of bikes 
 you own.  So many times I wish I could have test-ridden something, 
 but 
 didn't know how to find an example nearby.  This could really help.




 On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:33:44 PM UTC-6 John Rinker 
 wrote:

> The map is growing nicely! Got riders in Oceania and Europe on 
> the map! Still awaiting the first rider in Sri Lanka to pop up.
>
> If you've added yourself, to the map please note that you can 
> edit your responses in case you...I don't know...get a new bike? 
> Change 
> your riding style? Misspelled your name? Move from Arizona to 
> Babylonia? 
>
> To do this, simply click on the 'Riv Rider Registration' and 
> you can choose to 'Edit your response.' 
>

Re: [RBW] Clean AND Buttery Shifting?

[Eliot Balogh]

Also, did you file your cut housing ends?

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 5:34 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:

> Hey John,
>
> It’s a little hard to tell over the internet but based on your
> description, a few thoughts come to mind. Are your cable runs clean with
> easy bends ? Is your housing contaminated ? Can you ease off the binding
> bolt on your shifter ?
>
> I have always avoided lubing my cables out of fear of attracting dirt.
>
> Eliot
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 3:15 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Both my Hunqapillar and Atlantis shift cleanly and, given the state of
>> the rider on a given day, precisely. The Hunq has buttery shifting all
>> across the rear cogs- easy, smooth, and...buttery! The Atlantis, however,
>> is smooth but a little more resistant to change, and requires a little more
>> force.
>>
>> Both bikes have the same lengths of cable housing lined with a silicon
>> spray and the cables are greased with Slick Honey. The Hunq sports Silver
>> Shifters 1.0 and the Atlantis, Gran Compe. Both as bar ends.  Aren't these
>> were basically the same shifters?
>>
>> So, what gives?
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Clean AND Buttery Shifting?

[Eliot Balogh]

Hey John,

It’s a little hard to tell over the internet but based on your description,
a few thoughts come to mind. Are your cable runs clean with easy bends ? Is
your housing contaminated ? Can you ease off the binding bolt on your
shifter ?

I have always avoided lubing my cables out of fear of attracting dirt.

Eliot

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 3:15 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Both my Hunqapillar and Atlantis shift cleanly and, given the state of the
> rider on a given day, precisely. The Hunq has buttery shifting all across
> the rear cogs- easy, smooth, and...buttery! The Atlantis, however, is
> smooth but a little more resistant to change, and requires a little more
> force.
>
> Both bikes have the same lengths of cable housing lined with a silicon
> spray and the cables are greased with Slick Honey. The Hunq sports Silver
> Shifters 1.0 and the Atlantis, Gran Compe. Both as bar ends.  Aren't these
> were basically the same shifters?
>
> So, what gives?
>
> Cheers, John
>
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[RBW] Clean AND Buttery Shifting?

[John Rinker]

Both my Hunqapillar and Atlantis shift cleanly and, given the state of the 
rider on a given day, precisely. The Hunq has buttery shifting all across 
the rear cogs- easy, smooth, and...buttery! The Atlantis, however, is 
smooth but a little more resistant to change, and requires a little more 
force. 

Both bikes have the same lengths of cable housing lined with a silicon 
spray and the cables are greased with Slick Honey. The Hunq sports Silver 
Shifters 1.0 and the Atlantis, Gran Compe. Both as bar ends.  Aren't these 
were basically the same shifters?

So, what gives?

Cheers, John

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[RBW] Billie Bar Hooks

[BobW]

I recently converted my Sam from drops to Billie Bars.  I do like the 
Billie Bars a lot, especially the multiple hand positions and upright 
posture they provide.

I do find myself riding in the "hooks" more often than the swept back 
portion of the bar though.  I wrapped the hooks with some cork tape, with 
Newbaums over that.  While this helps with grips and provides some cushion, 
wondering if there are any other "Billie Bar Hook" riders out there who 
have augmented the hook section of the bar for greater comfort?  Thanks!


[image: thumbnail_IMG_2286.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Max tire size on Bleriot?

[Chris Dedinsky]

Ok - appreciate your confirmation of the 48s fitting in there comfortably!

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:41:49 AM UTC-7 tob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I run 650bx48 Ultradynamicos on Velocity Synergy rims with paul racers on 
> my Bleriot. While I wouldn't go any bigger on the tires, the 48s fit fine. 
> If you want to run fenders, 42s would be better.
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 9:06:56 AM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings gang,
>>
>> Wondering if any of ya'll have run ~650bx47ish tires on your Bleriot and 
>> what kind of clearance that leaves you with (granted this is rim dependent, 
>> in part). I've seen some images online with folks running Paul Racers and 
>> Ultradynamico Rose (650bx47.99) and Gravelkings (650bx48). Would love to 
>> hear any insight/experience.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver, with canti studs

[Anthony Coffin]

Regarding Gallup status: According to Will's Friday email, there a a few 
painted samples in the Appaloosa shipment that is due to arrive any day 
now. I'm excited to see what they did!

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> Where do you live? If you're nearby (I'm in Somerville, MA), you're more 
> than welcome to ride mine.
>
> As far as clearances go, the swoopy top tube makes it easy to straddle 
> larger frames. For context, I'm 5'11" with long legs and Will thought the 
> 61.5 would be ideal for me - the photo above by the water shows the bike 
> with my 80.5cm saddle height.. 
>
> I imagine for a PBH of 835, they would put you on a smaller frame than 
> 61.5. If you were to go with the bigger frame you need to figure out a 
> couple of things: 
>
> 1) Saddle height: can you push the seat post low enough? If so, are you ok 
> with the way it looks?
> 2) Reach: this can be corrected with sweptback bars or shorter stems but 
> you probably won't be able to run drops on a larger frame.
>
> Not sure if this helps, but feel free to ask any other questions.
>
> Max
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 11:32:43 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @max and @Jason,
>>
>> I'm interested in these bike as a 5'11 person with an 835mm PBH. I'd 
>> imagine the 61.5 would be too big but I'd love to know what the clearances 
>> are like on your bikes! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:35:37 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> GLWS max!  I might have to be the second person to list a silver canti 
>>> Gallop for sale in this list (but for shorter folks) as I'm once again just 
>>> finding the bike storage situation to be too jam-packed here and there's a 
>>> lot of redundancy between the CHG and the Sam. 
>>>
>>> Great bike for those considering, nothing quite like it - long and comfy 
>>> but also has a sporty flex to it.  Would make an amazing randonneur bike. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 7 June 2023 at 05:42:07 UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Johnny. The Charlie may well be my first Rivendell  (if a 
 Platypus doesn't drop into my lap first). 

 I'm beginning to outgrow my '90s  650b converted race bike and have my 
 sight set on a roadish Riv. Preferably a swoopy one,  just because.

 On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:15:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I believe they are scheduled for next year. The changes from the 
> prototype that I know of are side pull instead of canti brakes and a less 
> swoopy top tube. It still swoops but not as much. They are now being 
> designed around albastache bars so I don't know if there were any 
> geometry 
> changes because of that. Most likely nothing to any major degree.
>
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 9:42:49 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wondering if anyone knows the status of the Gallop? I  really like 
>> what I've been seeing on this thread but have been unable to track down 
>> any 
>> mention of when they might be expected.  
>> I'm smitten by the Charlie's lines - that curvaceous top tube that's 
>> not quite low enough to call a "step through" and the ample stack at the 
>> front end.  Cantis or side pulls, either one is wold be okay with me. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 3:23:58 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> *FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver with canti studs *
>>>
>>> This is your chance to own one of the few prototype Charlie Gallop 
>>> bikes with canti/v-brake studs.
>>>
>>> The Gallop is a speedy road bike with a long wheelbase that takes 
>>> wide tires with fenders - the dream road setup. The upcoming 2024 
>>> production ones won’t have a canti / v-brake option, so if you want ‘em 
>>> buy 
>>> this one.
>>>
>>> It’s a great riding, stable and super comfy bike that I have a 
>>> feeling I will regret selling. From Will’s update: “Grant has been 
>>> riding 
>>> it and says if it gets any zippier, it'll be a liability issue.” - I 
>>> don't 
>>> think it needs any more endorsements.
>>>
>>> Some additional notes:
>>>
>>> My pbh is around 90, I'm 5'11" with long legs. The low top tube 
>>> means you can probably upsize and use sweptback bars if the frame is 
>>> bigger 
>>> than your usual size. There's a wide spectrum of pbh's that can fit 
>>> this 
>>> bike.
>>>
>>> The frame is in great condition but it has been used for commuting 
>>> and recreational rides around the city, which means it has a few minor 
>>> scratches here and there, but nothing major and no dents, dings or 
>>> crashes. 
>>> (happy to take pictures)
>>>
>>> This one has the Charlie Decals including horses in the chain stays, 
>>> but it has a Rosco badge because it isn’t an official Gallop. Will said 
>>> the 
>>> decals are over the clear coat and they're fairly tough 

[RBW] Re: FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver, with canti studs

[Drew Fitchette]

Hey Max,

I'm in Atlanta, so likely would be tough to get up your way. My saddle 
height is 73-74cm, so a bit lower. 

I've got a 53cm Atlantis, and have been looking at the 54cm Sam, but if the 
Charlie could get me up another size with the swooping top tube it might be 
nice. 

- Drew

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 3:10:56 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> Where do you live? If you're nearby (I'm in Somerville, MA), you're more 
> than welcome to ride mine.
>
> As far as clearances go, the swoopy top tube makes it easy to straddle 
> larger frames. For context, I'm 5'11" with long legs and Will thought the 
> 61.5 would be ideal for me - the photo above by the water shows the bike 
> with my 80.5cm saddle height.. 
>
> I imagine for a PBH of 835, they would put you on a smaller frame than 
> 61.5. If you were to go with the bigger frame you need to figure out a 
> couple of things: 
>
> 1) Saddle height: can you push the seat post low enough? If so, are you ok 
> with the way it looks?
> 2) Reach: this can be corrected with sweptback bars or shorter stems but 
> you probably won't be able to run drops on a larger frame.
>
> Not sure if this helps, but feel free to ask any other questions.
>
> Max
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 11:32:43 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @max and @Jason,
>>
>> I'm interested in these bike as a 5'11 person with an 835mm PBH. I'd 
>> imagine the 61.5 would be too big but I'd love to know what the clearances 
>> are like on your bikes! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:35:37 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> GLWS max!  I might have to be the second person to list a silver canti 
>>> Gallop for sale in this list (but for shorter folks) as I'm once again just 
>>> finding the bike storage situation to be too jam-packed here and there's a 
>>> lot of redundancy between the CHG and the Sam. 
>>>
>>> Great bike for those considering, nothing quite like it - long and comfy 
>>> but also has a sporty flex to it.  Would make an amazing randonneur bike. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 7 June 2023 at 05:42:07 UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Johnny. The Charlie may well be my first Rivendell  (if a 
 Platypus doesn't drop into my lap first). 

 I'm beginning to outgrow my '90s  650b converted race bike and have my 
 sight set on a roadish Riv. Preferably a swoopy one,  just because.

 On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:15:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I believe they are scheduled for next year. The changes from the 
> prototype that I know of are side pull instead of canti brakes and a less 
> swoopy top tube. It still swoops but not as much. They are now being 
> designed around albastache bars so I don't know if there were any 
> geometry 
> changes because of that. Most likely nothing to any major degree.
>
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 9:42:49 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wondering if anyone knows the status of the Gallop? I  really like 
>> what I've been seeing on this thread but have been unable to track down 
>> any 
>> mention of when they might be expected.  
>> I'm smitten by the Charlie's lines - that curvaceous top tube that's 
>> not quite low enough to call a "step through" and the ample stack at the 
>> front end.  Cantis or side pulls, either one is wold be okay with me. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 3:23:58 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> *FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver with canti studs *
>>>
>>> This is your chance to own one of the few prototype Charlie Gallop 
>>> bikes with canti/v-brake studs.
>>>
>>> The Gallop is a speedy road bike with a long wheelbase that takes 
>>> wide tires with fenders - the dream road setup. The upcoming 2024 
>>> production ones won’t have a canti / v-brake option, so if you want ‘em 
>>> buy 
>>> this one.
>>>
>>> It’s a great riding, stable and super comfy bike that I have a 
>>> feeling I will regret selling. From Will’s update: “Grant has been 
>>> riding 
>>> it and says if it gets any zippier, it'll be a liability issue.” - I 
>>> don't 
>>> think it needs any more endorsements.
>>>
>>> Some additional notes:
>>>
>>> My pbh is around 90, I'm 5'11" with long legs. The low top tube 
>>> means you can probably upsize and use sweptback bars if the frame is 
>>> bigger 
>>> than your usual size. There's a wide spectrum of pbh's that can fit 
>>> this 
>>> bike.
>>>
>>> The frame is in great condition but it has been used for commuting 
>>> and recreational rides around the city, which means it has a few minor 
>>> scratches here and there, but nothing major and no dents, dings or 
>>> crashes. 
>>> (happy to take pictures)
>>>
>>> This one has the Charlie Decals including horses in the chain stays, 
>>> but it has a Rosco badge because it isn’t an off

[RBW] Re: FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver, with canti studs

[maxcr]

Hi Drew,

Where do you live? If you're nearby (I'm in Somerville, MA), you're more 
than welcome to ride mine.

As far as clearances go, the swoopy top tube makes it easy to straddle 
larger frames. For context, I'm 5'11" with long legs and Will thought the 
61.5 would be ideal for me - the photo above by the water shows the bike 
with my 80.5cm saddle height.. 

I imagine for a PBH of 835, they would put you on a smaller frame than 
61.5. If you were to go with the bigger frame you need to figure out a 
couple of things: 

1) Saddle height: can you push the seat post low enough? If so, are you ok 
with the way it looks?
2) Reach: this can be corrected with sweptback bars or shorter stems but 
you probably won't be able to run drops on a larger frame.

Not sure if this helps, but feel free to ask any other questions.

Max
On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 11:32:43 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> @max and @Jason,
>
> I'm interested in these bike as a 5'11 person with an 835mm PBH. I'd 
> imagine the 61.5 would be too big but I'd love to know what the clearances 
> are like on your bikes! 
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:35:37 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> GLWS max!  I might have to be the second person to list a silver canti 
>> Gallop for sale in this list (but for shorter folks) as I'm once again just 
>> finding the bike storage situation to be too jam-packed here and there's a 
>> lot of redundancy between the CHG and the Sam. 
>>
>> Great bike for those considering, nothing quite like it - long and comfy 
>> but also has a sporty flex to it.  Would make an amazing randonneur bike. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 June 2023 at 05:42:07 UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Johnny. The Charlie may well be my first Rivendell  (if a 
>>> Platypus doesn't drop into my lap first). 
>>>
>>> I'm beginning to outgrow my '90s  650b converted race bike and have my 
>>> sight set on a roadish Riv. Preferably a swoopy one,  just because.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:15:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I believe they are scheduled for next year. The changes from the 
 prototype that I know of are side pull instead of canti brakes and a less 
 swoopy top tube. It still swoops but not as much. They are now being 
 designed around albastache bars so I don't know if there were any geometry 
 changes because of that. Most likely nothing to any major degree.

 On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 9:42:49 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wondering if anyone knows the status of the Gallop? I  really like 
> what I've been seeing on this thread but have been unable to track down 
> any 
> mention of when they might be expected.  
> I'm smitten by the Charlie's lines - that curvaceous top tube that's 
> not quite low enough to call a "step through" and the ample stack at the 
> front end.  Cantis or side pulls, either one is wold be okay with me. 
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 3:23:58 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> *FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver with canti studs *
>>
>> This is your chance to own one of the few prototype Charlie Gallop 
>> bikes with canti/v-brake studs.
>>
>> The Gallop is a speedy road bike with a long wheelbase that takes 
>> wide tires with fenders - the dream road setup. The upcoming 2024 
>> production ones won’t have a canti / v-brake option, so if you want ‘em 
>> buy 
>> this one.
>>
>> It’s a great riding, stable and super comfy bike that I have a 
>> feeling I will regret selling. From Will’s update: “Grant has been 
>> riding 
>> it and says if it gets any zippier, it'll be a liability issue.” - I 
>> don't 
>> think it needs any more endorsements.
>>
>> Some additional notes:
>>
>> My pbh is around 90, I'm 5'11" with long legs. The low top tube means 
>> you can probably upsize and use sweptback bars if the frame is bigger 
>> than 
>> your usual size. There's a wide spectrum of pbh's that can fit this bike.
>>
>> The frame is in great condition but it has been used for commuting 
>> and recreational rides around the city, which means it has a few minor 
>> scratches here and there, but nothing major and no dents, dings or 
>> crashes. 
>> (happy to take pictures)
>>
>> This one has the Charlie Decals including horses in the chain stays, 
>> but it has a Rosco badge because it isn’t an official Gallop. Will said 
>> the 
>> decals are over the clear coat and they're fairly tough but eventually 
>> they'll crack. I already see the Riv logo decal on the downtube peeling 
>> off.
>>
>> *A couple of options for the sale below. *Prices do not include 
>> packing and shipping - local pick up in Boston preferred but I can ship 
>> and 
>> if you're patient I can also pack the bike myself to save some $. Also, 
>> I 
>> assume Paypal or

Re: [RBW] ISO Better Bar-End Friction Shifting!

[JohnS]

This thread is getting kind of long, so excuse me if this has already been 
mentioned, but has the derailleur cable and it's housing been replaced 
recently? Over time some dirt can build up and cause friction, which can 
cause poor shifting, especially for bar end shifters. Also, one time I had 
a cable strand come un-wound when I slid the cable into the short section 
of cable housing between the frame and the derailleur. That caused a lot of 
poor shifting until I replaced the cable. It wasn't obvious since the 
unwound cable strand was inside of the housing.

JohnS

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 5:53:26 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> If I understand correctly that the problems began iafter february, when 
> you had the cassette and chain replaced, I wonder if something was done 
> wrong or poorly, or even just different. For instance:  
>
> - Does the chain width (referred to by the number of rear sprockets it is 
> intended to work with) match the rest of drivetrain?  Including the 
> derailleurs (width of shift cage), chainrings (width of rings and spacing 
> between them) and cassette (number of cogs plus same width/spacing concerns 
> as with rings).  One of the benefits of friction shifting is that you can 
> usually get away with mixing and matching a bit.  For instance, a 9 speed 
> chain on rings spaced for an 8 speed era drivetrain, or a 10 speed 
> cassette.  Or a narrower 10 speed chain working on an otherwise all-9 speed 
> system.  Etc., etc.  But if you're not super comfortable with friction, 
> you're going to be better off if everything matches.  
>
> - is there a wobble in the cassette when the wheel is spinning?  Maybe it 
> got installed with some dirt behind it, or with the lockring not fully 
> secured?
>
> Otherwise, I agree with many of the above suggestions as place to start 
> and things to rule out, and that it doesn't strike me as a "shifter" issue 
> at all:  Hanger alignment; possibility that you're simply worn out the 
> chainrings or rear derailleur.  (The former woul appear as "shart-fin" 
> tooth profiles, and the latter would be evidenced by any play in the 
> mechanism if you try to wiggle it.)
>
> Lastly,  make sure your drive-side crank arm isn't working loose from the 
> bottom bracket spindle.
>
> On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:16:31 AM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>
>> Caroline,
>> If you recently had the chain and cassette replace, then your problems 
>> with the chain dropping may be because the chainring is worn. Most 
>> chainrings are aluminum, which wears faster than steel cogs. And since the 
>> same chainring is used for all riding while the cogs are changed by 
>> shifting, the wear is more concentrated on the chainring. Both of these 
>> lead to chainrings wiring out faster than cogs, and a worn chainring will 
>> not hold the chain securely. This can act in combination with problems 
>> others hav suggested here - especially bent detailer hanger and too-slack 
>> chain - to drop the chain off the chainring.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 10:53:07 AM UTC-7 Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone! I had the chain + cassette replaced in February, both 
>>> new parts, so I'm assuming they both have plenty of life left. 
>>>
>>> The last mechanic I spoke with assured me the limits on my derailleur 
>>> were good. FWIW I've had the same Shimano 105 rear derailleur since I built 
>>> the bike in 2009. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:42:45 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Did the derailleur service include verification that the derailleur 
 hanger is straight?

 Agree that it is unlikely to be a shifter issue.

 Laing

 On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:34:54 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> That sounds like an issue with chain retention and not the shifter. 
> Clutch RD ? New rings ? New chain ?
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:32 AM Caroline Golum  
> wrote:
>
>> Currently running 1x10 and friction bar-end shifting. The chain keeps 
>> coming off my crank, not hitting the right gear in the rear, etc. I've 
>> had 
>> the derailleur serviced, it's fine, etc. 
>>
>> Time to get a new shifter? Switch to indexed shifting? Switch to an 
>> 8/9spd in the rear? The bar-end shifter is RBW's Shifter - Silver2 
>> .  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[Steve]

Dick, sorry you won't be able to make it that weekend.

"40 mm Little Big Ben's...Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads on
that bike?"

Absolutely!!!Come on up from Brevard and give it a go!

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 1:03 PM Dick Pahle  wrote:

> I've been following this for a while hoping I could commit to joining in.
> Knew that week in July was problematic and now know for sure I can't make
> it. Ratz!!
>
> I'm in Brevard and ride a Homer with 40 mm Little Big Ben's. 90 % on roads
> and paved trails. Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads on that
> bike? If so, I may try and join those of you who ride there on a regular
> basis some other time, if ok to join ya.
>
> Sorry I'll miss meeting/riding with all of you and sorry to miss Pam,  a
> good friend and my Cycling Savvy instructor from Charlotte.
>
> Dick
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a May
>> date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest in a
>> meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If there's
>> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date for
>> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
>> Gary
>>
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[RBW] Re: A few Swift bags at Sierra.com

[Jason]

Cheers, Chester. I've been eyeing a Kestral bag for awhile and finally 
pulled the trigger thanks to your deal outing.


Jason
Oak Park, IL

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 9:24:06 AM UTC-5 Sean McRobert wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up.  I need another bag like a need another hole in 
> my head, but now I have two more.  I hate to pass up a good deal.
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 6:59:56 PM UTC-4 Chester wrote:
>
>> A heads-up to anyone who finds this attractive:
>>
>> https://www.sierra.com/swift-industries~b~41056/
>>
>> Kestrel handlebar bag in Coyote tan for $60. Anchor hip bag in Black and 
>> Coyote for $60. And the Vireo hip bag in Dark Green X-Pac for $50.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Max tire size on Bleriot?

[Jacob Tobey]

I run 650bx48 Ultradynamicos on Velocity Synergy rims with paul racers on 
my Bleriot. While I wouldn't go any bigger on the tires, the 48s fit fine. 
If you want to run fenders, 42s would be better.

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 9:06:56 AM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:

> Greetings gang,
>
> Wondering if any of ya'll have run ~650bx47ish tires on your Bleriot and 
> what kind of clearance that leaves you with (granted this is rim dependent, 
> in part). I've seen some images online with folks running Paul Racers and 
> Ultradynamico Rose (650bx47.99) and Gravelkings (650bx48). Would love to 
> hear any insight/experience.
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[Dick Pahle]

I've been following this for a while hoping I could commit to joining in. 
Knew that week in July was problematic and now know for sure I can't make 
it. Ratz!!

I'm in Brevard and ride a Homer with 40 mm Little Big Ben's. 90 % on roads 
and paved trails. Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads on that 
bike? If so, I may try and join those of you who ride there on a regular 
basis some other time, if ok to join ya.

Sorry I'll miss meeting/riding with all of you and sorry to miss Pam,  a 
good friend and my Cycling Savvy instructor from Charlotte. 

Dick

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi,
> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a May 
> date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest in a 
> meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If there's 
> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date for 
> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
> Gary
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[RBW] Re: Sail to the trail

[Paul Clifton]

A ferry ride to tour around the islands sounds like a great way to spend a 
few days. I'd love to do some camping up that way.

Paul

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:

> That sounds and looks like an awesome time!  I recently took a ferry to 
> Orcas Island in the San Jaun Islands of Washington.  Had my BMX and my Riv 
> (in van).  Mostly rode the skatepark out there with friends, but rode the 
> Riv around the campground too.  I'd like to go back and instead get on the 
> ferry with just my Riv (no van) and do some touring. 
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 6:27:25 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I thought y'all might dig this overnighter I went on on Memorial Day 
>> weekend. We loaded the bikes on to my friends' sailboats and boated to the 
>> a cove along the Karst Loop at Hobbs State Park here in northwest Arkansas. 
>> We spent the afternoon anchored in the cove, swimming and hanging out. We 
>> cooked a feast for dinner on the grills on their boat and slept on the 
>> boats. Then in the morning, we rafted the boats to shore, rode the 7.5 mile 
>> IMBA epic trail, and eventually made our way back to the marina. It was a 
>> fantastic trip with some great folks. Highly recommend combining biking and 
>> boating if you get the chance.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> [image: 20230528_122416.jpg]
>> [image: 20230529_085456.jpg][image: 20230529_091729.jpg][image: 
>> 20230529_091745.jpg][image: 20230529_095831.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 Champion Special, black, mostly new

[Joe Bernard]

$110 shipped 

On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 7:55:13 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Typos are fun. 
> "same reason"
> 'gold rivets"
>
> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 7:53:50 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Bought from a member recently as new-never-ridden but didn't have the 
>> original box, I put one coat of Obenauf's on the top and rode it a few 
>> times for a few miles but mostly it just hung around cuz I'm usually on my 
>> Riv with its own B17. I'm cutting down my bike count again for sale reason 
>> - I'm always on the Riv! - so don't need this. Black with gold 
>> hand-hammered rivers, gold rails. Holler for more pics. 
>>
>> $115 shipped 
>> PayPal, Venmo, check
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20230611_194636.jpg]
>> [image: Screenshot_20230611_194644.jpg]
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - Ron's Bikes Fabios Fanny - Golidlocks

[Brian Cunningham]

Appreciate the insight!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 13, 2023, at 6:21 AM, Sean Steinle  wrote:I think 44cm noodles is right at the minimum of what I'd consider running a fanny on. On my 42 noodles, the bag fits with space, but I definitely notice it's there, and there is some rub on my fingers if I wrap them around the ramps. Also, the side pockets are very finicky with 42s, couldn't say how they'd do on 44s but they're almost worthless with 42s. On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 10:40 PM Brian Cunningham  wrote:Hi Sean!Out of curiosity, how narrow was too narrow for the Fanny? I know from experience the Fab’s Abs works with a Nitto Noodle 44cm, but perhaps this bag is too much for such a bar?Thanks,Brian On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 9:04:54 AM UTC-7 Sean Steinle wrote:Excellent condition, mounted to my bars, and tested packing around the house. Turns out these aren't designed for the old narrow drop bar holdouts :) Has some extremely minor wear marks from testing, but otherwise it's like new. Includes a MUSA cotton strap with brass hardware that matches the bag great! I'm into the whole package for $206, would like to sell for $170 + shipping. Basically just throwing the strap in for free on a sold out colorway.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Patrick Moore]

Very true; narrower rims require higher pressures. Still, you can go pretty
low. My 71 mm Rangers are mounted tubeless on 24 mm OW non-tubeless Alex
rims and there's no squirm or "wrinkle" in cornering or on bumps; the tires
feel very "solid" and not mushy. Me + Monocog about 200 lb.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 5:48 AM ascpgh  wrote:

>
> There is a realistic limit to how low to go with fat tires, the rim 's
> internal bead hook (or hookless) width will become the controller of that.
> The cross section of the installed tire on the rim makes a circle of mostly
> tire, bead to bead, closed by the rim. Narrow the rim and more of the
> circle is tire rather than aluminum, soft tire as you reduce inflation. You
> just want to stay above the point where you on the bike, doing what you do
> while riding (stop, start, steer, veer and hit bumps sticks rocks) doesn't
> cause the tire to wrinkle up instead of responding to your will.
>

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[RBW] Max tire size on Bleriot?

[Chris Dedinsky]

Greetings gang,

Wondering if any of ya'll have run ~650bx47ish tires on your Bleriot and 
what kind of clearance that leaves you with (granted this is rim dependent, 
in part). I've seen some images online with folks running Paul Racers and 
Ultradynamico Rose (650bx47.99) and Gravelkings (650bx48). Would love to 
hear any insight/experience.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver, with canti studs

[Drew Fitchette]

@max and @Jason,

I'm interested in these bike as a 5'11 person with an 835mm PBH. I'd 
imagine the 61.5 would be too big but I'd love to know what the clearances 
are like on your bikes! 

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:35:37 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> GLWS max!  I might have to be the second person to list a silver canti 
> Gallop for sale in this list (but for shorter folks) as I'm once again just 
> finding the bike storage situation to be too jam-packed here and there's a 
> lot of redundancy between the CHG and the Sam. 
>
> Great bike for those considering, nothing quite like it - long and comfy 
> but also has a sporty flex to it.  Would make an amazing randonneur bike. 
>
> On Wednesday, 7 June 2023 at 05:42:07 UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Johnny. The Charlie may well be my first Rivendell  (if a Platypus 
>> doesn't drop into my lap first). 
>>
>> I'm beginning to outgrow my '90s  650b converted race bike and have my 
>> sight set on a roadish Riv. Preferably a swoopy one,  just because.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:15:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I believe they are scheduled for next year. The changes from the 
>>> prototype that I know of are side pull instead of canti brakes and a less 
>>> swoopy top tube. It still swoops but not as much. They are now being 
>>> designed around albastache bars so I don't know if there were any geometry 
>>> changes because of that. Most likely nothing to any major degree.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 9:42:49 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wondering if anyone knows the status of the Gallop? I  really like 
 what I've been seeing on this thread but have been unable to track down 
 any 
 mention of when they might be expected.  
 I'm smitten by the Charlie's lines - that curvaceous top tube that's 
 not quite low enough to call a "step through" and the ample stack at the 
 front end.  Cantis or side pulls, either one is wold be okay with me. 

 On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 3:23:58 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> *FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver with canti studs *
>
> This is your chance to own one of the few prototype Charlie Gallop 
> bikes with canti/v-brake studs.
>
> The Gallop is a speedy road bike with a long wheelbase that takes wide 
> tires with fenders - the dream road setup. The upcoming 2024 production 
> ones won’t have a canti / v-brake option, so if you want ‘em buy this one.
>
> It’s a great riding, stable and super comfy bike that I have a feeling 
> I will regret selling. From Will’s update: “Grant has been riding it and 
> says if it gets any zippier, it'll be a liability issue.” - I don't think 
> it needs any more endorsements.
>
> Some additional notes:
>
> My pbh is around 90, I'm 5'11" with long legs. The low top tube means 
> you can probably upsize and use sweptback bars if the frame is bigger 
> than 
> your usual size. There's a wide spectrum of pbh's that can fit this bike.
>
> The frame is in great condition but it has been used for commuting and 
> recreational rides around the city, which means it has a few minor 
> scratches here and there, but nothing major and no dents, dings or 
> crashes. 
> (happy to take pictures)
>
> This one has the Charlie Decals including horses in the chain stays, 
> but it has a Rosco badge because it isn’t an official Gallop. Will said 
> the 
> decals are over the clear coat and they're fairly tough but eventually 
> they'll crack. I already see the Riv logo decal on the downtube peeling 
> off.
>
> *A couple of options for the sale below. *Prices do not include 
> packing and shipping - local pick up in Boston preferred but I can ship 
> and 
> if you're patient I can also pack the bike myself to save some $. Also, I 
> assume Paypal or Venmo F&F. Finally, I made various upgrades from the 
> original demo bike and think this is fair, but please let me know if I'm 
> off.
>
>
>1. 
> *Complete $2,600 - *Velocity Atlas 700c wheels laced to a Son28 dyno 
>hub in the front and a Deore hub rear
>- Shikoro 42mm tires (basically new)
>- SKS P50 Fenders
>- 48cm Noodles with shorty Nitto stem and green wrap (basically 
>new)
>- Tiagra Levers (basically new)
>- CX 50 brakes (basically new)
>- Silver2 BES
>- Nitto 26.8 x 250 seatpost
>- Clipper 42x30 crank
>- 11-36 9 speed cassette
>- Nexave rear derailer
>- Cheapy shimano front derailer
>
>2. 
> *Complete with fancy wheels & tubeless tires $3,150  *- 
>700c  polished Velocity Quills 32h laced to a Bitex Touring rear hub 
> and a 
>Shutter Precision dyno up front (hand built by Analog Cycles) - purple 
>bling (valves & nipples)
>-

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Drew Fitchette]

58 CM Hunq on the crust Forum. 
 

If it was one size smaller I'd have scooped it up! Hopefully someone on 
here has been dreaming of one too(in this size)!

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:44:27 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Re the Atlantis 53, did Riv sell a 650B version in that size or was it a 
> conversion? I have one and it has 26” wheels.
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>>
>> Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F&R). This looks like a 
>> fantastic deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see it. 
>>
>> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the H came 
>>> in at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?
>>> -Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on the 
>>> Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that yet?”, regarding 
>>> my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve been thinking about 
>>> selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and measure 64cm and are 
>>> considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I also rode today. I 
>>> should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly shreds, but I 
>>> shouldn’t….)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:18:44 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Clem Smith Jr. H
 64cm
 2200
 Pleasanton, CA

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pleasanton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-64cm/7629580864.html

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Valerie Yates]

Re the Atlantis 53, did Riv sell a 650B version in that size or was it a 
conversion? I have one and it has 26” wheels.


On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F&R). This looks like a fantastic 
> deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see it. 
>
> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> 64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the H came 
>> in at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?
>> -Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on the 
>> Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that yet?”, regarding 
>> my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve been thinking about 
>> selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and measure 64cm and are 
>> considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I also rode today. I 
>> should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly shreds, but I 
>> shouldn’t….)
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:18:44 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Clem Smith Jr. H
>>> 64cm
>>> 2200
>>> Pleasanton, CA
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pleasanton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-64cm/7629580864.html
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A few Swift bags at Sierra.com

[Sean McRobert]

Thanks for the heads up.  I need another bag like a need another hole in my 
head, but now I have two more.  I hate to pass up a good deal.

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 6:59:56 PM UTC-4 Chester wrote:

> A heads-up to anyone who finds this attractive:
>
> https://www.sierra.com/swift-industries~b~41056/
>
> Kestrel handlebar bag in Coyote tan for $60. Anchor hip bag in Black and 
> Coyote for $60. And the Vireo hip bag in Dark Green X-Pac for $50.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

If you guys take photos and video and send them to me I can make you a 
video like I do for our Michigan Riv Rides. Let me know if you want one. 
It’s easy for me to do and would be a nice keepsake for you guys.

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:37:00 AM UTC-6 Gary L wrote:

> Great write up Steve! You did a fantastic job describing the really nice 
> riding there and the pictures prove it :). If anyone else gets inspired to 
> join us on July 7-9 please let me know via PM and I’ll add you to our list. 
> Right now we are at about 20-ish participants, some coming from as far as 
> Florida, Georgia, Indiana, and New Jersey. Looking forward to it!
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:05:22 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brian.  Joel laid out the draft routes with RWGPS - I believe his 
>> intention is to share them in that format prior to the gathering. For any 
>> analog navigators I'd be glad to work up a cue sheet (if anyone would like 
>> a printed cue sheet make a request on this thread and I'll post it as an 
>> attachment).  
>> We're also planning on providing a lead and a sweep.. 
>>
>> Stay tuned for more info as the gathering approaches. Our local planning 
>> group will be meeting in the near future to finalize things.
>>
>> Hope to see you in Asheville, Steve
>>
>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 1:19:35 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> This is excellent, Steve (and, nice Outback too!). Photos look amazing! 
>>> Will you be able to make these routes for the weekend available for those 
>>> of us also using RWGPS?
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I had an opportunity this past weekend to pedal the planned Bent Creek 
 gravel route for the upcoming Asheville Riv Ride. For those of you hoping 
 to attend the gathering who might enjoy hearing a bit about the route, 
 read 
 on.


 I’ll start with a teaser; I’ve been riding the forest service roads in 
 Western North Carolina for a number of years and Bent Creek offers some of 
 the very best. As a bonus, the course that Joel Osgood laid out for us is 
 at least 85% shaded or in dappled shade, perfect for a mid summer ride in 
 the mountains. It includes a few hundred feet of pavement but is otherwise 
 all hard pack gravel - what fast riders like to call “hero gravel”.  I did 
 note  two short downhill runs showing a bit of erosion with a few exposed 
 baby heads, forcing me to pay attention to my line.


 If you’re ambivalent about the whole gravel thing, the course starts 
 with an easy 6.9 mi loop with a moderate 649 ft of climbing. If that whets 
 your appetite, the first loop flows into a second one with a slightly more 
 challenging climb, bringing the total mileage  to 14.1 for 1,176’ of 
 elevation gain. The final, and most formidable leg, makes for a healthy 23 
 mile ride with 2,133’ of climbing. Never forget the pedaling in the 
 mountains mantra: what goes up gets to come down! 


 (These numbers are based on Ride With GPS - my probably less accurate 
 Garmin watch clocked it at 20.55 miles and 2610’ - a healthy ride anyway 
 you cut it.)


 The full course took me 3 hours of ride time with another 30 minutes 
 for resting taking pictures and nibbling snacks. At 71years old I’m no 
 spring chicken, so factor that in. I rode on 700c x 40mm shallow knobbed 
 tires at 27psi (Conti Terra Speeds). My trusty climbing gear is 36 x 51 
 for 
 19.6 gear inches and I gave it plenty of use. 


 Elevation Profile for the full route and a few pics showing the various 
 road surfaces (and one gratuitous glamour shot - forgive me):


 [image: BCRivRideElevProfile.jpg]


 [image: HardTimes.jpeg]


 [image: BoydConnector.jpeg]


 [image: LedfordBranch.jpeg]


 [image: SouthRidgeDescent.jpeg]

 [image: BentCreekRd.jpeg]

 [image: GlamourPic.jpeg]
 On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 8:43:33 AM UTC-4 Carl wrote:

> Hi,
> Thank you Gary for the update on the July 7-9 meet-up in Asheville! 
>
> As Gary said, we're planning a swap meet. We'll choose the location 
> for that based on how many want to participate and how much stuff you 
> want 
> to bring. Could you let me know if you plan to do the swap meet and a 
> ballpark idea of how much stuff you might bring?
>
> Thanks and looking forward to seeing everyone in July, -- Carl
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 11:54:39 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi from Asheville!
>>
>> I just wanted to send a quick update about our Riv gathering July 
>> 7-9.  You can see our planned activities below.
>>
>> Right now we’ve got 20 folks that have indicated that they are 
>> planning to attend, and 6 that are maybe’s. Here’s the “yes” lis

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great write up Steve! You did a fantastic job describing the really nice 
riding there and the pictures prove it :). If anyone else gets inspired to 
join us on July 7-9 please let me know via PM and I’ll add you to our list. 
Right now we are at about 20-ish participants, some coming from as far as 
Florida, Georgia, Indiana, and New Jersey. Looking forward to it!

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:05:22 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Brian.  Joel laid out the draft routes with RWGPS - I believe his 
> intention is to share them in that format prior to the gathering. For any 
> analog navigators I'd be glad to work up a cue sheet (if anyone would like 
> a printed cue sheet make a request on this thread and I'll post it as an 
> attachment).  
> We're also planning on providing a lead and a sweep.. 
>
> Stay tuned for more info as the gathering approaches. Our local planning 
> group will be meeting in the near future to finalize things.
>
> Hope to see you in Asheville, Steve
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 1:19:35 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is excellent, Steve (and, nice Outback too!). Photos look amazing! 
>> Will you be able to make these routes for the weekend available for those 
>> of us also using RWGPS?
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I had an opportunity this past weekend to pedal the planned Bent Creek 
>>> gravel route for the upcoming Asheville Riv Ride. For those of you hoping 
>>> to attend the gathering who might enjoy hearing a bit about the route, read 
>>> on.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll start with a teaser; I’ve been riding the forest service roads in 
>>> Western North Carolina for a number of years and Bent Creek offers some of 
>>> the very best. As a bonus, the course that Joel Osgood laid out for us is 
>>> at least 85% shaded or in dappled shade, perfect for a mid summer ride in 
>>> the mountains. It includes a few hundred feet of pavement but is otherwise 
>>> all hard pack gravel - what fast riders like to call “hero gravel”.  I did 
>>> note  two short downhill runs showing a bit of erosion with a few exposed 
>>> baby heads, forcing me to pay attention to my line.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you’re ambivalent about the whole gravel thing, the course starts 
>>> with an easy 6.9 mi loop with a moderate 649 ft of climbing. If that whets 
>>> your appetite, the first loop flows into a second one with a slightly more 
>>> challenging climb, bringing the total mileage  to 14.1 for 1,176’ of 
>>> elevation gain. The final, and most formidable leg, makes for a healthy 23 
>>> mile ride with 2,133’ of climbing. Never forget the pedaling in the 
>>> mountains mantra: what goes up gets to come down! 
>>>
>>>
>>> (These numbers are based on Ride With GPS - my probably less accurate 
>>> Garmin watch clocked it at 20.55 miles and 2610’ - a healthy ride anyway 
>>> you cut it.)
>>>
>>>
>>> The full course took me 3 hours of ride time with another 30 minutes for 
>>> resting taking pictures and nibbling snacks. At 71years old I’m no 
>>> spring chicken, so factor that in. I rode on 700c x 40mm shallow knobbed 
>>> tires at 27psi (Conti Terra Speeds). My trusty climbing gear is 36 x 51 for 
>>> 19.6 gear inches and I gave it plenty of use. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Elevation Profile for the full route and a few pics showing the various 
>>> road surfaces (and one gratuitous glamour shot - forgive me):
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: BCRivRideElevProfile.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: HardTimes.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: BoydConnector.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: LedfordBranch.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: SouthRidgeDescent.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: BentCreekRd.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: GlamourPic.jpeg]
>>> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 8:43:33 AM UTC-4 Carl wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 Thank you Gary for the update on the July 7-9 meet-up in Asheville! 

 As Gary said, we're planning a swap meet. We'll choose the location for 
 that based on how many want to participate and how much stuff you want to 
 bring. Could you let me know if you plan to do the swap meet and a 
 ballpark 
 idea of how much stuff you might bring?

 Thanks and looking forward to seeing everyone in July, -- Carl
 On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 11:54:39 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi from Asheville!
>
> I just wanted to send a quick update about our Riv gathering July 7-9. 
>  You can see our planned activities below.
>
> Right now we’ve got 20 folks that have indicated that they are 
> planning to attend, and 6 that are maybe’s. Here’s the “yes” list I’ve 
> got:
>
> *Yes (traveling to Asheville):*
>
> Brian plus 2 - Lexington, KY
> Jason - Indiana
> Laing - FL
> Pam - Charlotte, NC
> Frank - Richmond, VA
> Ken - VA
> Drew plus 1 - Atlanta, GA
> Eric - Indianapolis, IN
>
>
> *From Asheville:*
>
> Joel and Heather
> Theresa and Gary
> Ellen
> Carl
> Nic
> S

Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Eric Marth]

Yeah, sorry for any confusion! As of this writing, 13 June 2023, they are 
out of stock. But inbound! I know a lot of people were interested so 
figured I'd share some vague intel that more are on the way. 

Sure to sell out quickly, again. Lots of restock email notifications 
subscribed. 

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 9:46:09 AM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Oh, I misunderstood what Eric wrote.
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 8:35:17 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I don’t think they put them up again on the site… unless I somehow missed 
>> the restock notification email. If you’re looking at them now as out of 
>> stock, it’s likely because they’ve long been unavailable on the site.
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>
>> welp, they didn't last very long ...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, in a recent video (May 31, 2023) Ron mentioned that another 
>>> shipment of Ortho Bars are currently on a boat heading for North America. 
>>> So set that restock alert! 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/rons-ortho-bar-for-whenever-it-shows-up
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:04:47 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 For anyone who missed it, Ron's email update included a bit on the 
 availability, quick sale and re-stock of the back bars: 


- 

That brings me to the mild outcry over the rapid sell through of 
Uncle Ron’s Orthopedic Back bar.  There is a narrative swirling around 
 the 
internet that we do this sorta thing on purpose —- if we were only that 
smart.  This is a short story about a small business with medium 
popularity.  

I generally prototype new products in my barn.  In the case of 
these handlebars, i used a nitto bosco as a blank and bent them to 
 where i 
liked it best.  I call up Matt from Crust and convince him to make them 
 — 
where he generally trusts me with baked in reluctance.  Adam Sklar 
digitally draws them up for me —- and its off to the best handlebar 
 factory 
in Taiwan who also happen to make Renthal’s motocross bars.  So these 
handlebars are gonna take a while to make.  In normal times, 3-6 months 
 is 
normal …. as things sit now, you are lucky to have a turn around under 
 18 
months.  

So there you are with a high performance geriatric handlebar design 
wondering how many you should order based on what kind of demand there 
 will 
be in 18 months… will we even be here??? Fuck! Okay, 90 sounds about 
 right. 
 90 it was.  90 gone in an afternoon.  More than 90 on order now…. you 
guessed it …. 18 months away.  Hope you still want them! 

 On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:47:17 PM UTC-5 joseph...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Mine came in today, and let me just say, I wish I ordered two. They 
> are fantastic!
> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:
>
>> If anyone has buyers remorse, let me know and I'll take a set off 
>> your hands. I lingered and lost.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:46:23 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, thanks for the link to the interview. 
>>>
>>> That is a beautiful bike. From the side, this set up looks a lot 
>>> like my Hunqapillar with Alba's. I'm hoping a Nitto NP stem will get 
>>> the 
>>> Ortho bars down low enough as my saddle is a lot closer to the frame 
>>> than 
>>> Uncle Ron's saddle is. If the bars slip in the NP stem slips, I may try 
>>> a 4 
>>> bolt Wendy stem.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 11:46:17 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Because everything is better with pics – drive-side view as 
 described by John ;)  I love how beat to shit this bike is, the 
 mismatched 
 Paul brakes, the silver, the purple. Is the fork a replacement? The 
 article 
 says he's running a 38-20 double with an extra ring as bashguard. 
 Umm 
 that's groovy. 

 There's a recent interview w. Ron on the Blue Lug site 
 . He 
 mentions there might be an aluminum bike like this in the early 
 development 
 stages with Crust. 

 [image: Ronnies-DURALCAN-S-Works-Stumpjumper-M2-4.jpg]

 On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 1:20:07 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:

> 69cm is just more than minimal width for my shoulders & wrists. 
> But I'm praying these bars aren't TOO flexy for me, and that pairing 
> with a 
> long, low stem will give me some breathing room.
>
> In

Re: [RBW] Re: FS - Ron's Bikes Fabios Fanny - Golidlocks

[Sean Steinle]

I think 44cm noodles is right at the minimum of what I'd consider running a
fanny on. On my 42 noodles, the bag fits with space, but I definitely
notice it's there, and there is some rub on my fingers if I wrap them
around the ramps. Also, the side pockets are very finicky with 42s,
couldn't say how they'd do on 44s but they're almost worthless with 42s.

On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 10:40 PM Brian Cunningham <
thisisbriancunning...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean!
>
> Out of curiosity, how narrow was too narrow for the Fanny? I know from
> experience the Fab’s Abs works with a Nitto Noodle 44cm, but perhaps this
> bag is too much for such a bar?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 9:04:54 AM UTC-7 Sean Steinle wrote:
>
> Excellent condition, mounted to my bars, and tested packing around the
> house. Turns out these aren't designed for the old narrow drop bar holdouts
> :) Has some extremely minor wear marks from testing, but otherwise it's
> like new. Includes a MUSA cotton strap with brass hardware that matches the
> bag great! I'm into the whole package for $206, would like to sell for $170
> + shipping. Basically just throwing the strap in for free on a sold out
> colorway.
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Hoch in ut]

Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F&R). This looks like a fantastic 
deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see it. 

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:

> 64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the H came in 
> at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?
> -Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on the 
> Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that yet?”, regarding 
> my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve been thinking about 
> selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and measure 64cm and are 
> considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I also rode today. I 
> should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly shreds, but I 
> shouldn’t….)
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:18:44 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Clem Smith Jr. H
>> 64cm
>> 2200
>> Pleasanton, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pleasanton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-64cm/7629580864.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] ISO Better Bar-End Friction Shifting!

[iamkeith]

If I understand correctly that the problems began iafter february, when you 
had the cassette and chain replaced, I wonder if something was done wrong 
or poorly, or even just different. For instance:  

- Does the chain width (referred to by the number of rear sprockets it is 
intended to work with) match the rest of drivetrain?  Including the 
derailleurs (width of shift cage), chainrings (width of rings and spacing 
between them) and cassette (number of cogs plus same width/spacing concerns 
as with rings).  One of the benefits of friction shifting is that you can 
usually get away with mixing and matching a bit.  For instance, a 9 speed 
chain on rings spaced for an 8 speed era drivetrain, or a 10 speed 
cassette.  Or a narrower 10 speed chain working on an otherwise all-9 speed 
system.  Etc., etc.  But if you're not super comfortable with friction, 
you're going to be better off if everything matches.  

- is there a wobble in the cassette when the wheel is spinning?  Maybe it 
got installed with some dirt behind it, or with the lockring not fully 
secured?

Otherwise, I agree with many of the above suggestions as place to start and 
things to rule out, and that it doesn't strike me as a "shifter" issue at 
all:  Hanger alignment; possibility that you're simply worn out the 
chainrings or rear derailleur.  (The former woul appear as "shart-fin" 
tooth profiles, and the latter would be evidenced by any play in the 
mechanism if you try to wiggle it.)

Lastly,  make sure your drive-side crank arm isn't working loose from the 
bottom bracket spindle.

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:16:31 AM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:

> Caroline,
> If you recently had the chain and cassette replace, then your problems 
> with the chain dropping may be because the chainring is worn. Most 
> chainrings are aluminum, which wears faster than steel cogs. And since the 
> same chainring is used for all riding while the cogs are changed by 
> shifting, the wear is more concentrated on the chainring. Both of these 
> lead to chainrings wiring out faster than cogs, and a worn chainring will 
> not hold the chain securely. This can act in combination with problems 
> others hav suggested here - especially bent detailer hanger and too-slack 
> chain - to drop the chain off the chainring.
> -Wes
>
> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 10:53:07 AM UTC-7 Caroline Golum wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone! I had the chain + cassette replaced in February, both 
>> new parts, so I'm assuming they both have plenty of life left. 
>>
>> The last mechanic I spoke with assured me the limits on my derailleur 
>> were good. FWIW I've had the same Shimano 105 rear derailleur since I built 
>> the bike in 2009. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:42:45 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Did the derailleur service include verification that the derailleur 
>>> hanger is straight?
>>>
>>> Agree that it is unlikely to be a shifter issue.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 1:34:54 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 That sounds like an issue with chain retention and not the shifter. 
 Clutch RD ? New rings ? New chain ?

 On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:32 AM Caroline Golum  
 wrote:

> Currently running 1x10 and friction bar-end shifting. The chain keeps 
> coming off my crank, not hitting the right gear in the rear, etc. I've 
> had 
> the derailleur serviced, it's fine, etc. 
>
> Time to get a new shifter? Switch to indexed shifting? Switch to an 
> 8/9spd in the rear? The bar-end shifter is RBW's Shifter - Silver2 
> .  
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