Re: [RBW] Plush old 531 steel frames (was being precious)

[brendonoid]

My late 80s Holdsworth Mistral is 531c (I assume that's the competition 
tubing?) And is the only frame I've ridden that has that "planing" feeling 
that Jan gets so hot under the collar for.
I have converted it to 650b and it is my go to roadish bike when I'm not on 
a Riv. Definitely a special frame.


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[RBW] Re: Stolen custom 1995 Rivendell Road Standard (San Francisco)

[Jeffrey Arita]

First, so sorry to hear about your loss

As Bill S asks, was your bike on bikeindex.com?

I purchased a Trek 520 via my local CL.  It was in pretty good shape after 
I examined it.  I wanted to find out what year it was so I googled the SN.  
It popped up on bikeindex.com as being stolen.  Long story short: I 
returned the bike to it's rightful owner.  Good Karma.

All the Best,

Jeff
Claremont, CA

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:03:19 PM UTC-7 Adrianna T wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> With a sad face I’m writing to say all the bikes in my building got stolen 
> today, including my beloved Riv. 
>
> Some of you helped me plan and figure out how to build it up some time 
> ago. 
>
> This is what it ended up looking like: 
>
> If you come across any of it (including just the frame) I’d be very glad 
> to hear from you. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Valerie Yates]

John — thanks for these links. The added struts could make it work in my 
setup. . . 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:36:29 AM UTC-6 John Johnson wrote:

> Hi Valerie,
>
> Derail away! 
>
> Here's the link the the support struts on Carradice's site: 
> https://carradice.co.uk/shop/accessories/bagman-support-struts/?v=11aedd0e4327
>
> Of course, I got them because the bag kept rubbing on the rear tire. The 
> struts stabilize the bagman rack enough to keep it from rubbing when your 
> bike hits a bump, etc. but the bag could still rub depending on how things 
> inside shifted around during the ride. To solve this, I added a little 
> plastic bridge held on with zip ties (has worked fine for 3 years now) to 
> keep the cloth from the bag from dipping down. 
>
> All said and done, the classic saddle rack (not the bagman, but this one: 
> https://carradice.co.uk/shop/accessories/saddle-bag-rack/?v=11aedd0e4327) 
> works much better and is easier to take on and off. And fenders are also 
> another solution (I have another bagman on different bike, and never have 
> any rubbing because that bike has fenders). 
>
> cheers,
>
> John
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis touch up paint?

[Old And In The Weeds]

As you may know, Testors has been discontinued. Mr. Color 391 Interior
Turquoise Green (Soviet) is a close match. Hope this helps!

On Friday, June 23, 2023, Nick A.  wrote:

> +1!
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:39:44 PM UTC-4 cbala...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a bottle of Testors 2135 they would be willing to part with?
>> Can't seem to find any available - if you've got a source, let me know!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

[Carl]

Gary, did you say there's an extra 55cm Cheviot lying around here in 
Asheville? I could maybe help with that . . . 

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:19:20 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Leah,
>
> What a great offer - it would be an honor to have a video made by you! 
>  But better yet, why don’t you come join us? I know of an extra 55cm 
> Cheviot lying around here in Asheville :)
>
> Gary
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:32:25 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dick, sorry you won't be able to make it that weekend. 
>>
>> "40 mm Little Big Ben's...Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads 
>> on that bike?" 
>>
>> Absolutely!!!Come on up from Brevard and give it a go!
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 1:03 PM Dick Pahle  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been following this for a while hoping I could commit to joining 
>>> in. Knew that week in July was problematic and now know for sure I can't 
>>> make it. Ratz!!
>>>
>>> I'm in Brevard and ride a Homer with 40 mm Little Big Ben's. 90 % on 
>>> roads and paved trails. Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads on 
>>> that bike? If so, I may try and join those of you who ride there on a 
>>> regular basis some other time, if ok to join ya.
>>>
>>> Sorry I'll miss meeting/riding with all of you and sorry to miss Pam,  a 
>>> good friend and my Cycling Savvy instructor from Charlotte. 
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a May 
 date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest in a 
 meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If there's 
 enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date for 
 whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
 Gary

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Valerie Yates]

Frame is sold! Very happy to have it go to a list member and a former Clem 
owner. I know it will be appreciated and enjoyed. 

I will follow up on the other bits after I evaluate whether there are any 
swaps I want to make with my remaining bikes. . .  
On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:10:34 AM UTC-6 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Val,
>
> Sent you an email yesterday - just didn’t want to post everything 
> publicly.  I’m certainly interested in the Clem H.
>
> Guy
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:31:39 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> After a change of heart on selling my Rosco Bubbe, I am offering for sale 
>> my low mileage, beautiful honey mustard 2016 Clem H 52 frame, fork, headset 
>> & bottom bracket along with the following included extras:
>> Tektro v-brakes front and rear
>> Shimano Claris front derailleur
>> Shimano Altus rear derailleur
>> Clem stock seat-post
>> Kickstand
>> Axa frame lock with 2 keys
>>
>> The price for the above is $800. I will pay to have it boxed for shipping 
>> and buyer pays actual shipping costs.   Local pick-up possible in or near 
>> Boulder CO.  
>>
>> More pictures here 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230621_005356861~2.jpg]
>>
>> *Optional extras listed below.*  If the frame buyer doesn't want them, 
>> open to other buyers for prices shown plus actual price of shipping.
>>
>> Silver Crank 173 (CG-38-24) +$250
>>
>> Front and Rear Wheels: Alex rims with multi-colored spoke nipples, Clem 
>> hubs and 8 speed 11-32 casette (tires not included): +$150 
>>
>> Cockpit as a set: Nitto Bosco Cro-Mo 55 handlebar with Misha cork grips, 
>> Sunrace m90 thumbie friction shifters, Tektro brake levers, and Nitto 
>> (likely Tallux) 12 cm stem: +$150
>>
>> Pletscher Clem Rack with pump, pannier rails and tail light mount: +50 
>>
>> Clem stock saddle and pedals: No charge
>>
>> Interested? Let me know. Happy to discuss. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Val in Boulder CO
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis touch up paint?

[Nick A.]

+1!

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:39:44 PM UTC-4 cbala...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone have a bottle of Testors 2135 they would be willing to part with? 
> Can't seem to find any available - if you've got a source, let me know!

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Re: [RBW] FS: Atlantis 54.5 (Waterford) in Exceptional Condition

[D D]

Link to photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/26804924@N02/2595487883/Beautiful bike. DustinOn Jun 23, 2023, at 1:59 PM, ADH  wrote:This is very painful. I purchased my Atlantis in 2008 directly from Grant who specified components. It is in excellent condition. Some of the components are Nitto Noodle, Dura Ace bar ends, Paul cantilevers, Honjo hammered fenders, Schwalbe Marathons, Shimano XT derailleurs, 36 spoke Mavic rims, Nitto rear rack. Bars are canvas tape with Bullseye shellac. I have taken excellent care of my Atlantis. I'm gettin' old and got a new hip a few years ago. I can't ride like I used to and I am reluctantly switching to an ebike. As far as blems go, the chain jumped once and nicked the chainstay and bottom bracket. I covered the chainstay with hockey tape and shellacked it. I touched up the nick in the bottom bracket with Testor 2135 (the bottle I have comes with the bike). There is a tiny ding in one of the Honjos. You can see the original build on my Flickr account which is ahurvitz. The seat has mellowed and the bars have been re-wrapped, but the bike looks great. I haven't set a price yet or officially put it up for sale. I'm considering Craigslist and eBay. But I thought I'd post this here first, because I know you all care about RBW and I want it to go to a good home. I'm not desperate to sell and (I think) I know what the bike is worth. If anyone is interested, feel free to contact me. I live in the Boston area. Pick-up would be great, but I'm also happy to ship. I'll take new pics as well.Thanks,Alan



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[RBW] Re: FS: 51 Sam Hillborne - Sage Green complete bike

[Damien]

Hi all, just bumping as this is still available. Make me an offer!

Damien

On Tuesday, 25 April 2023 at 09:52:22 UTC-4 Damien wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've added more pics linked here: Sam Hillborne 
> 
>
> Still for sale, or trade for a 54 Rambouillet or potentially a 50 Roadini.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions!
> Damien
>
> On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 18:25:39 UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi Damien,
>> Just sent you a pm.
>> G
>>
>> On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 1:23:09 PM UTC-4 Damien wrote:
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Atlantis touch up paint?

[Chris Balaschak]

Anyone have a bottle of Testors 2135 they would be willing to part with? 
Can't seem to find any available - if you've got a source, let me know!

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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Richard Rose]

Perhaps another bit of information to muddy the waters is the Analog Cycles perspective that straight (no setback) seatposts make no sense, except for frames (like theirs) that have relatively slack seat tubes. Like our Riv’s.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 23, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:All I can say is that I also felt like I needed to be back more but when I finally did the opposite and moved it forward (adjusting the cockpit) it was a night and day difference. I thought I had been pretty comfortable prior but apparently there was a better way. When I see someone wanting something with massive setback like that I think that there is something else off.On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 12:36:15 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:Bike fit remains a mystery to me. I’ve read (and re-read) various articles like “The Myth of KOPS” and the sizing and fit advice on PJW’s website, and still find myself resorting to trial and error. Of course there are various proprietary fit systems, which people are happy to charge you for, but even those seem geared toward more racer-y types, and not the Riv-ish style of setting handlebars at or above the level of the saddle.Proper fit recently has come into renewed focus for me, as I sustained an ulnar nerve injury to my left hand while riding the Oregon Outback last month. Presumably a more dialed-in fit might have prevented this from occurring. Kim makes the point that his cockpit is comfortable, but I understand Garth to be saying that he may be even more comfortable with a more systematic approach to fit. I’m coming around to Garth’s point of view that long-torsoed folks like myself might do better to focus on stem extension rather than maximizing saddle setback, with the goal of having enough reach so that the core is more engaged and less pressure is placed on the hands.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Jun 23, 2023, at 4:57 AM, Garth  wrote:Kim, What you describe is exactly my point, that more forward reach/length within a given frame is accomplished with a longer stem(and/or bar choice), not a more setback post. That's why there are so many stem lengths available(from very short to very long), and so little seatpost setback variation. Hence I said using the post alone for more forward frame reach is akin to "going the wrong direction" , given the rider is riding in their sweet spot over the bottom bracket for their given crank length. A rider with longer relative torso calls for frame that is designed for it, as in a longer top tube(frame reach) plus an appropriately reach to the bars(stem plus bar). (The 2021 Clem version you have should qualify as having an atypically long frame reach). Typically the mega setback posts were a cheap aftermarket compensation for mountain bike frames back in the 80's that often came with a 73d STA(or steeper) which equates to the saddle being appx. 13mm closer to the BB compared to a 72d STA. Believe it or not there were are still are some saddles that have even shorter rails than a Brooks which only adds to the mayhem. Just like fitting clothes, someone that has a longer torso needs appropriately long shirts and/or pants with sufficient rise for their given proportions. One has to ask though, in what way is the torso long-er ? Is it from a longer spine, a taller pelvis, both or other ? You wouldn't just buy mega high rise pants to make up for a relatively longer spine if your pelvis is of "normal" relation, you'd stick with appropriate rise pants and longer bodied shirts. With a bike whether the longer torso length is from a taller pelvis height or longer spine the pelvic floor to pedal relation over BB remains the same, hence it doesn't need altered. What's called for is more forward room. The longer torso length is appropriately fitted with a lengthened reach to the bar/stem combo. 



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[RBW] FS: Atlantis 54.5 (Waterford) in Exceptional Condition

[ADH]

This is very painful. I purchased my Atlantis in 2008 directly from Grant 
who specified components. It is in excellent condition. Some of the 
components are Nitto Noodle, Dura Ace bar ends, Paul cantilevers, Honjo 
hammered fenders, Schwalbe Marathons, Shimano XT derailleurs, 36 spoke 
Mavic rims, Nitto rear rack. Bars are canvas tape with Bullseye shellac. 

I have taken excellent care of my Atlantis. I'm gettin' old and got a new 
hip a few years ago. I can't ride like I used to and I am reluctantly 
switching to an ebike. 

As far as blems go, the chain jumped once and nicked the chainstay and 
bottom bracket. I covered the chainstay with hockey tape and shellacked it. 
I touched up the nick in the bottom bracket with Testor 2135 (the bottle I 
have comes with the bike). There is a tiny ding in one of the Honjos. 

You can see the original build on my Flickr account which is ahurvitz. The 
seat has mellowed and the bars have been re-wrapped, but the bike looks 
great. 

I haven't set a price yet or officially put it up for sale. I'm considering 
Craigslist and eBay. But I thought I'd post this here first, because I know 
you all care about RBW and I want it to go to a good home. I'm not 
desperate to sell and (I think) I know what the bike is worth. If anyone is 
interested, feel free to contact me. I live in the Boston area. Pick-up 
would be great, but I'm also happy to ship. I'll take new pics as well.

Thanks,

Alan




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[RBW] Re: bike sleuthing on the riv homepage (older model?)

[Michael Baquerizo]

IF its a riv (i wouldnt expect them to only use photos of their bikes) it's 
a homer, is my guess.

sorta seems like it says so on the downtube, and its the only lugged bike 
they make right now that'd take those brakes. i suppose it could be an 
older sam, but i doubt it.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:32:19 AM UTC-4 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:

> curious if anyone can spot the bike I see on the rivbike dot com homepage 
> right now. looks like it's got paul racer brakes, knobby tires and black 
> rims, file name says Mike Headlands if ya peak in the code
>
> unrelated but, as is the aesthetic goal of their photos what with the 
> motion blur and HP5 grain, the vibe is immaculate in this shot so good work 
> there! but yeah the bike peaks my curiosity
>
> [image: riv mike headlands.jpeg]
>
> thanks, hi
> -Brent in chicago
>

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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Johnny Alien]

All I can say is that I also felt like I needed to be back more but when I 
finally did the opposite and moved it forward (adjusting the cockpit) it 
was a night and day difference. I thought I had been pretty comfortable 
prior but apparently there was a better way. When I see someone wanting 
something with massive setback like that I think that there is something 
else off.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 12:36:15 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Bike fit remains a mystery to me. I’ve read (and re-read) various articles 
> like “The Myth of KOPS” and the sizing and fit advice on PJW’s website, and 
> still find myself resorting to trial and error. Of course there are various 
> proprietary fit systems, which people are happy to charge you for, but even 
> those seem geared toward more racer-y types, and not the Riv-ish style of 
> setting handlebars at or above the level of the saddle.
>
> Proper fit recently has come into renewed focus for me, as I sustained an 
> ulnar nerve injury to my left hand while riding the Oregon Outback last 
> month. Presumably a more dialed-in fit might have prevented this from 
> occurring. Kim makes the point that his cockpit is comfortable, but I 
> understand Garth to be saying that he may be even more comfortable with a 
> more systematic approach to fit. I’m coming around to Garth’s point of view 
> that long-torsoed folks like myself might do better to focus on stem 
> extension rather than maximizing saddle setback, with the goal of having 
> enough reach so that the core is more engaged and less pressure is placed 
> on the hands.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jun 23, 2023, at 4:57 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
> Kim, What you describe is exactly my point, that more forward 
> reach/length within a given frame is accomplished with a *longer 
> stem(and/or bar choice), *not a more setback post. That's why there are 
> so many stem lengths available(from very short to very long), and so little 
> seatpost setback variation. Hence I said using the post alone for more 
> forward frame reach is akin to "going the wrong direction" , given the 
> rider is riding in their sweet spot over the bottom bracket for their given 
> crank length. 
>
>
> A rider with longer relative torso calls for frame that is designed for 
> it, as in a longer top tube(frame reach) plus an appropriately reach to the 
> bars(stem plus bar). (The 2021 Clem version you have should qualify as 
> having an atypically long frame reach). Typically the mega setback posts 
> were a cheap aftermarket compensation for mountain bike frames back in the 
> 80's that often came with a 73d STA(or steeper) which equates to the saddle 
> being appx. 13mm closer to the BB compared to a 72d STA. Believe it or not 
> there were are still are some saddles that have even shorter rails than a 
> Brooks which only adds to the mayhem. 
>
> Just like fitting clothes, someone that has a longer torso needs 
> appropriately long shirts and/or pants with sufficient rise for their given 
> proportions. One has to ask though, in what way is the torso long-er ? Is 
> it from a longer spine, a taller pelvis, both or other ? You wouldn't just 
> buy mega high rise pants to make up for a relatively longer spine if your 
> pelvis is of "normal" relation, you'd stick with appropriate rise pants and 
> longer bodied shirts. With a bike whether the longer torso length is from a 
> taller pelvis height or longer spine the pelvic floor to pedal relation 
> over BB remains the same, hence it doesn't need altered. What's called for 
> is more forward room. The longer torso length is appropriately fitted with 
> a lengthened reach to the bar/stem combo. 
>
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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Jay Lonner]

Bike fit remains a mystery to me. I’ve read (and re-read) various articles like “The Myth of KOPS” and the sizing and fit advice on PJW’s website, and still find myself resorting to trial and error. Of course there are various proprietary fit systems, which people are happy to charge you for, but even those seem geared toward more racer-y types, and not the Riv-ish style of setting handlebars at or above the level of the saddle.Proper fit recently has come into renewed focus for me, as I sustained an ulnar nerve injury to my left hand while riding the Oregon Outback last month. Presumably a more dialed-in fit might have prevented this from occurring. Kim makes the point that his cockpit is comfortable, but I understand Garth to be saying that he may be even more comfortable with a more systematic approach to fit. I’m coming around to Garth’s point of view that long-torsoed folks like myself might do better to focus on stem extension rather than maximizing saddle setback, with the goal of having enough reach so that the core is more engaged and less pressure is placed on the hands.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Jun 23, 2023, at 4:57 AM, Garth  wrote:Kim, What you describe is exactly my point, that more forward reach/length within a given frame is accomplished with a longer stem(and/or bar choice), not a more setback post. That's why there are so many stem lengths available(from very short to very long), and so little seatpost setback variation. Hence I said using the post alone for more forward frame reach is akin to "going the wrong direction" , given the rider is riding in their sweet spot over the bottom bracket for their given crank length. A rider with longer relative torso calls for frame that is designed for it, as in a longer top tube(frame reach) plus an appropriately reach to the bars(stem plus bar). (The 2021 Clem version you have should qualify as having an atypically long frame reach). Typically the mega setback posts were a cheap aftermarket compensation for mountain bike frames back in the 80's that often came with a 73d STA(or steeper) which equates to the saddle being appx. 13mm closer to the BB compared to a 72d STA. Believe it or not there were are still are some saddles that have even shorter rails than a Brooks which only adds to the mayhem. Just like fitting clothes, someone that has a longer torso needs appropriately long shirts and/or pants with sufficient rise for their given proportions. One has to ask though, in what way is the torso long-er ? Is it from a longer spine, a taller pelvis, both or other ? You wouldn't just buy mega high rise pants to make up for a relatively longer spine if your pelvis is of "normal" relation, you'd stick with appropriate rise pants and longer bodied shirts. With a bike whether the longer torso length is from a taller pelvis height or longer spine the pelvic floor to pedal relation over BB remains the same, hence it doesn't need altered. What's called for is more forward room. The longer torso length is appropriately fitted with a lengthened reach to the bar/stem combo. 



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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H 52 FFHS+

[Guy LeVan]

Val,

Sent you an email yesterday - just didn’t want to post everything publicly. 
 I’m certainly interested in the Clem H.

Guy
On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:31:39 PM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> After a change of heart on selling my Rosco Bubbe, I am offering for sale 
> my low mileage, beautiful honey mustard 2016 Clem H 52 frame, fork, headset 
> & bottom bracket along with the following included extras:
> Tektro v-brakes front and rear
> Shimano Claris front derailleur
> Shimano Altus rear derailleur
> Clem stock seat-post
> Kickstand
> Axa frame lock with 2 keys
>
> The price for the above is $800. I will pay to have it boxed for shipping 
> and buyer pays actual shipping costs.   Local pick-up possible in or near 
> Boulder CO.  
>
> More pictures here 
>
> [image: PXL_20230621_005356861~2.jpg]
>
> *Optional extras listed below.*  If the frame buyer doesn't want them, 
> open to other buyers for prices shown plus actual price of shipping.
>
> Silver Crank 173 (CG-38-24) +$250
>
> Front and Rear Wheels: Alex rims with multi-colored spoke nipples, Clem 
> hubs and 8 speed 11-32 casette (tires not included): +$150 
>
> Cockpit as a set: Nitto Bosco Cro-Mo 55 handlebar with Misha cork grips, 
> Sunrace m90 thumbie friction shifters, Tektro brake levers, and Nitto 
> (likely Tallux) 12 cm stem: +$150
>
> Pletscher Clem Rack with pump, pannier rails and tail light mount: +50 
>
> Clem stock saddle and pedals: No charge
>
> Interested? Let me know. Happy to discuss. 
>
> Best,
>
> Val in Boulder CO
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: New Sackville Bagboy in Olive

[Bill Lindsay]

...and Collin has paid for it...SOLD

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:59:46 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> PM'd ya...
>
> Collin in Berktown
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:36:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Sadly, I bought a car (boo!) and it now has to live in my garage, which 
>> squeezes the bikes and machine shop into a smaller space.  So, I need to do 
>> a little optimization of things.  
>>
>> One extravagance is my bag collection.  One of those bags is a new 
>> Sackville Bagboy in Olive.  I was going to use it as a stoker 
>> glove-compartment on my HubbuHubbuH, but we're going with something a 
>> little smaller.  It has been installed and removed, and has some garage 
>> dust, but it's new from the perspective of actual use. 
>>
>> I can take pics if you need them.  $180 shipped.  $160 local.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTT: My Blue Bagboy for your Olive

[Collin A]

Olive bagboy acquired!

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:18:07 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Hey Folks,
>
> Looking to trade out my Blue Sackville Bagboy for an equivalent condition 
> bagboy (or slimsucker) in Olive! Not looking to sell, just get all matchy 
> matchy on the ol' Homer Hilsen.
>
> Happy Saturday riding!
> Collin in Berktown
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[RBW] Re: FS: New Sackville Bagboy in Olive

[Collin A]

PM'd ya...

Collin in Berktown

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:36:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Sadly, I bought a car (boo!) and it now has to live in my garage, which 
> squeezes the bikes and machine shop into a smaller space.  So, I need to do 
> a little optimization of things.  
>
> One extravagance is my bag collection.  One of those bags is a new 
> Sackville Bagboy in Olive.  I was going to use it as a stoker 
> glove-compartment on my HubbuHubbuH, but we're going with something a 
> little smaller.  It has been installed and removed, and has some garage 
> dust, but it's new from the perspective of actual use. 
>
> I can take pics if you need them.  $180 shipped.  $160 local.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[Bill Lindsay]

Takashi, those shots are fantastic.

I just returned from a short French vacation, me and my college roommate.  
We spent a couple days in Paris and a few more in Strasbourg.  My cycling 
was limited to two days: one in Strasbourg on Velhop city bikes, the other 
in Paris on a borrowed hybrid for a late night crepe run under the Eiffel 
Tower.  The photos are buried in a Flickr download, but I'll try to curate 
those a bit and post links.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:26:48 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:

> Visited the town of Hida Furukawa last weekend.
>
> A majestic *sanmon* (main gate of a Buddhist temple):
> [image: DSC03134.jpg]
>
> An alley:
> [image: DSC03128.jpg]
>
> A half-hour ride from the center of the town brought me to a steep land; I 
> assume reclamation was a hard work here.
> [image: DSC03123.jpg]
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] FS: New Sackville Bagboy in Olive

[Bill Lindsay]

Sadly, I bought a car (boo!) and it now has to live in my garage, which 
squeezes the bikes and machine shop into a smaller space.  So, I need to do 
a little optimization of things.  

One extravagance is my bag collection.  One of those bags is a new 
Sackville Bagboy in Olive.  I was going to use it as a stoker 
glove-compartment on my HubbuHubbuH, but we're going with something a 
little smaller.  It has been installed and removed, and has some garage 
dust, but it's new from the perspective of actual use. 

I can take pics if you need them.  $180 shipped.  $160 local.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Basket Rack for Clem Smith Jr H

[Jingy]

I don't know if it's a better option, but I just got a back in stock 
notification for the RBW-51 rack from Riv
Jim in Mpls

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:28:26 AM UTC-5 plastic...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anybody selling one? 
>
> Also, open to other options if somebody else thinks there is a better 
> option.
>
> Scotty
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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Garth]

Kim, What you describe is exactly my point, that more forward reach/length 
within a given frame is accomplished with a *longer stem(and/or bar 
choice), *not a more setback post. That's why there are so many stem 
lengths available(from very short to very long), and so little seatpost 
setback variation. Hence I said using the post alone for more forward frame 
reach is akin to "going the wrong direction" , given the rider is riding in 
their sweet spot over the bottom bracket for their given crank length. 

A rider with longer relative torso calls for frame that is designed for it, 
as in a longer top tube(frame reach) plus an appropriately reach to the 
bars(stem plus bar). (The 2021 Clem version you have should qualify as 
having an atypically long frame reach). Typically the mega setback posts 
were a cheap aftermarket compensation for mountain bike frames back in the 
80's that often came with a 73d STA(or steeper) which equates to the saddle 
being appx. 13mm closer to the BB compared to a 72d STA. Believe it or not 
there were are still are some saddles that have even shorter rails than a 
Brooks which only adds to the mayhem. 

Just like fitting clothes, someone that has a longer torso needs 
appropriately long shirts and/or pants with sufficient rise for their given 
proportions. One has to ask though, in what way is the torso long-er ? Is 
it from a longer spine, a taller pelvis, both or other ? You wouldn't just 
buy mega high rise pants to make up for a relatively longer spine if your 
pelvis is of "normal" relation, you'd stick with appropriate rise pants and 
longer bodied shirts. With a bike whether the longer torso length is from a 
taller pelvis height or longer spine the pelvic floor to pedal relation 
over BB remains the same, hence it doesn't need altered. What's called for 
is more forward room. The longer torso length is appropriately fitted with 
a lengthened reach to the bar/stem combo. 

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