Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Build Opinions

[Chester]

Doug Van Cleve wrote:

Hey Ted.

Not sure if you mean the OG Moustache or the Albastache, but I can tell you 
the OG requires a very short stem compared to drops.  It's because the main 
hand position is the full reach, there really isn't a good tops position 
like drops.  I gather that Albastache was designed mostly to shorten the 
reach...  Also, you can't use upright bar stuff on either of them so a 
flipped Albatross, Billie or Choco would seem to be best.


Soma makes a Moustache bar with a 25.4mm clamp area and 22.0mm grip area so 
you can use MTB grips and brake levers on them:

3-Speed Moustache II Bar - Soma Fabrications 


Soma has two Moustache Bar variants, the first "3-Speed Moustache Bar" 
being more similar to the OG Nitto version, but with the bar ends sweeping 
back a bit more.

3-Speed Moustache Bar - Soma Fabrications 
 

The second "II" variant of the Soma is the one with the 22.0mm grip area 

It's also different in having a shallower 35mm drop, whereas the first 
variant has a 60mm drop. (Which, in turn, is 10mm deeper than the 50mm drop 
of the Nitto.) This second version is also wider than their first version: 
540mm vs. 505mm.

The Soma Fab Blog: Soma 3-Speed II "Moustache" Handlebars: For mountain 
grips, shifters and brake levers 


So if someone was thinking of running an Albastache but wanted primary 
position to be in the bar-end grip area, with brakes there, then one could 
consider the Soma Moustache II with flat-bar/MTB levers. Drop won't be as 
super shallow as the Albastache, but only about 10mm less shallow (15mm 
shallower than the OG Nitto). And, of course, with the forward bends a more 
aggressively forward, while the bar ends sweep a little further back.

WhatBars.com has the Nitto and Soma Moustache Bars, and also the Albastache 
so you can see how the top-down profiles of each compare with each other.

Chester
SF Bay Area
 

On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 9:18 AM Ted W  wrote:

That's an interesting idea, Doug. I would have never considered flipping 
Albatross bars like that. Another option I've considered is Mustache bars 
with flat bar levers near the back instead of the typical road levers up 
front. It seems to me like those are similar, if narrower, than something 
like the Albatross bar but have a similar (slightly more accentuated) 
curve. And, like flipping the albatross bars, would give a drop instead of 
a rise... I might play with that idea a bit tonight.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 11:36 AM Doug Van Cleve  wrote:

Hey Ted.

I personally wouldn't run a super short stem, but those wide drops (and if 
I'm not mistaken relatively long reach) are making things worse for you.  A 
narrower modern bend, short and shallow drop bar would reduce the reach a 
fair bit, I think.  That said, I don't think any of the current super long 
chainstay RBW bikes are really suited for drops.  I just put together a JA 
that came with Albatross' and a Technomic, 9cm I think, and it feels too 
close and too tall in front.  It's a 51cm IIRC, whichever size is 650B, and 
the PBH size chart would have put me one size smaller.  I have a 
Choco-Moose waiting to go on it, I'm hoping that slammed it will give me 
more reach and lower bar height.

Doug

P.S.  You might consider flipped Albatross' as well, less reach and drop 
than any actual drop bar but still some...


On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 7:08 AM Ted W  wrote:

Got my Appa on Monday, built it yesterday and commuted to work on it today. 
First impressions are that it's exactly what I had hoped for. The ride is 
amazing and it feels so plush while still remaining responsive; nimble yet 
stable. But I think it could still be better and I want to channel the 
wisdom of the group.

Currently, I have the bike built with drop bars (50cm V/O Randonneur). 
However, I know this frame, like many of the Riv frames, is really built 
with swept back bars in mind. Knowing this, I went with a stem that's about 
half my "typical" length. Unfortunately, it still feels like quite a reach 
to get on the hoods, not impossible, but not "normal". So, this is where my 
question starts:

Do I continue to try shortening the stem, say to maybe 30-40mm, or do I 
give in to my swept bar destiny and spring for some new bars? And if I go 
with sweeps, which bars do people like on the Appa? I have 65mm Tosco bars 
on my Gus and it's wonderful on that bike, but being that I don't want to 
be quite so upright (and there's not quite as much room) on the Appa. I was 
thinking of going with either Billie or Albatross bars. The two are so 
similar, however, that I'm having a hard time deciding between the two. I'm 
probably splitting hairs, as usual, but I'm genuinely curious to see what 
y'all think.

Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

[ascpgh]

I looked to 650B as a solution to my particular fit issues for an all road 
bike the other year. Grant was very frame size dependent in his support of 
650B and felt that above a certain size (several below mine) the utility of 
the wheel size ended its utility. Those considerations are fair for stock 
geometry. 

The problem for me and my ideal under square (2-3cm) frame dimensioning is 
that I get into toe overlap with 700c wheels with fatter tires. I wanted 
broader capacity for rougher road riding and load carrying so 650B was my 
way to go. I still would rather ride smarter than fasteron unpaved surfaces 
and 650Bx42 has provided all the envelope I need without tapping my Walter 
Mitty thoughts.

I made many purchases and gone down bicycle and equipment rabbit holes 
chasing more "performance" only to find out the lease expensive component 
of my bike is where the greatest capacity to upgrade resides...me. 

I had my 650B bike built and ride it hundreds of miles off pavement, with 
fenders, on RH Babyshoe Pass tires set up tubeless on Pacenti Brevet rims, 
three years so far without reason to look back or second guess the formula. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:03:47 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller 
> Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after 
> all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify 
> most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost 
> all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have 
> that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem H

[Ryan Frahm]

Bike is sold! Thanks all!

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 8:55:07 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I realize that I completely forgot to put that this is a 59cm frame! 
> Thanks Richard!
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:43:34 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Asking $2250
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:41:56 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> This Clem has been a great commuter but I’ve decided to go back to a 
>>> bike with thru axles for hauling my daughter in her trailer. I have some 
>>> cheaper wheels and might take off the racks if it there isn’t any interest 
>>> but thought I’d list it as is for now. I had the bike powder coated a 
>>> beautiful whiskey bronze before this past winter (he was able to do a great 
>>> job on the accent color). The lower tube shows wear from the cable lock but 
>>> no real scratches or chips that are through the powder. It needs a deeper 
>>> clean that I will do before letting it go, otherwise the bike is in great 
>>> shape!
>>>
>>> I believe it is a 2018 but could be a 19. 
>>>
>>> SimWorks Standalone rims with SON28 front hub/WI MI5 rear (very little 
>>> use)
>>> Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge tires
>>> 60cm Tosco bars
>>> 135mm FacePlater stem 
>>> Riv Silver shifters (Riv-ersed)
>>> Deore brakes with Kool Stop dual compound pads
>>> Cheap SunRace brake levers
>>> SRAM 10sp GX derailleur 
>>> Silver cranks 38/24 White Industries bolts with Blue Lug brass extractors
>>> Shimano XT cassette 11-34
>>> MKS bear trap pedals
>>> Brooks B17 (well used but still good shape overall)
>>> Pass and Stow 5 rail front rack with wall 137 basket (a scrape on front 
>>> of the rack and basket has some bends to it)
>>> Nitto R-14 rear rack
>>> Forager cable cherries
>>> Top of seatpost clamp and bolt assembly replaced with Nitto ones because 
>>> stock kept slipping 
>>> MKS fenders
>>>
>>> The fork was replaced with a new Hunq for when I had it painted. The 
>>> stock fork was just slightly off but it bugged me. The bonus is that the 
>>> new for has mounts for a low rider rack!
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any questions or want more pictures. Thank for 
>>> looking!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Six speed freewheels, J. A. Stein freewheel injector and freewheel removers

[Kim Hetzel]

The six speed freewheels, J. A. Stein freewheel injector and freewheel 
removers have been SOLD.

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:50:10 AM UTC-7 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> I have a pending payment of $100.00 currently. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
>
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:35:17 PM UTC-7 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> I have a lot of Suntour 6-speed freewheels, a NOS/NIB J. A. Stein 
>> freewheel injector and three splined freewheel removers for sale. 
>>
>> There is one freewheel on the far bottom left that is an odd ball. It is 
>> not spaced well between some of the cogs. You would need to tear it apart 
>> and fit the right spacers in to make it work.
>>
>> The top left Suntour 14-32T is NOS. It has some rust on it from being 
>> stored in my garage over the years. All the others are used. There are five 
>> Suntour freewheels with one Shimano freewheel.
>>
>> I am only interested selling the whole lot.
>>
>> Make me an offer.
>>
>> Payment via Paypal
>> Shipped in the CONUS only.
>> Exact shipping cost will be determined at the time of shipment.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> [image: 20230701_175909 (2).jpg][image: 20230701_180044 (2).jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Gravel Bikes?

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and the skinny tt matched with OS dt and st.


On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 3:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ...  I note the Brooks saddle on an otherwise modern bike and the very
> complex and sophisticated stay bending
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

[rltilley]

I picked up a Mod Zero as well. Same size and color. Mine will be a complete build from Mike due to time constraints on my end. I’ll be up there for business soon but I’ll be flying up so I won’t be able to pick up my bike in person. I could justify a drive but parking in SF is bad and I’m not sure I’d have time to get up to Point Reyes while I’m there anyways.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Jul 2, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:I picked up a Model Zero (53cm Green).  It just seemed dumb not to.  It'll probably be a few weeks before I drive out to pick it up, but I had the entire build sitting around.  It was a choice between selling a lot more used bike parts or get another special niche bike for the price of a frame.  I've got a habit of choosing the latter.  The main draw, and the reason I've got the build kit laying around, was that with a more contemporary head tube the Model Zero will fit my Lauf Grit fork.  I traded away a Road + frame for a Quickbeam to make room for a Model Zero.  Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 9:06:34 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:Black Mountain Cycles new Mod-Zero frame can be set up with 650B. Tires max out at 2.25” with that wheel size. A A29er setup would max out at 2”. Mod Zeroblackmtncycles.comRobert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Jul 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.



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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

[Bill Lindsay]

I picked up a Model Zero (53cm Green).  It just seemed dumb not to.  It'll 
probably be a few weeks before I drive out to pick it up, but I had the 
entire build sitting around.  It was a choice between selling a lot more 
used bike parts or get another special niche bike for the price of a 
frame.  I've got a habit of choosing the latter.  The main draw, and the 
reason I've got the build kit laying around, was that with a more 
contemporary head tube the Model Zero will fit my Lauf Grit fork.  I traded 
away a Road + frame for a Quickbeam to make room for a Model Zero.  

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 9:06:34 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> Black Mountain Cycles new Mod-Zero frame can be set up with 650B. Tires 
> max out at 2.25” with that wheel size. A A29er setup would max out at 2”. 
>
> [image: DSC09104.jpg]
>
> Mod Zero 
> blackmtncycles.com 
> 
>
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: One bike's worth of Tektro V-Brakes

[Kim Hetzel]

 Hello Richard,

I replaced my Tektro V-brakes with Dia Compe SS-6 levers and Dia Compe 980 
cantilever brakes.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.


On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:38:57 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> What brakes did you put on the Clem?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2023, at 11:54 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> I have for sale one bike's worth of Tektro V-Brakes off of my Clem Smith 
> Jr. "L" bicycle. They are good condition. I am missing an end cap on one of 
> the noodles. Otherwise, all the parts are there. The brake pads still have 
> good wear left on them.
>
>
>
> $45.00, shipped in the CONUS.
> Paypal payment friends and family, please.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA
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Re: [RBW] FS: One bike's worth of Tektro V-Brakes

[Kim Hetzel]

Hello Richard,

I replaced my Tektro V-brakes with Dia Compe SS-6 levers and Dia Compe 980 
cantilever brakes.

How is your back and neck doing ? 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:38:57 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> What brakes did you put on the Clem?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2023, at 11:54 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> I have for sale one bike's worth of Tektro V-Brakes off of my Clem Smith 
> Jr. "L" bicycle. They are good condition. I am missing an end cap on one of 
> the noodles. Otherwise, all the parts are there. The brake pads still have 
> good wear left on them.
>
>
>
> $45.00, shipped in the CONUS.
> Paypal payment friends and family, please.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA
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[RBW] Re: 650b Gravel Bikes?

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 3:47:34 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
so to speak?  


I have two Sam Hillbornes that are perfect gravel bikes and a Breadwinner 
G-Road, all three are 650B.  Virtually all of the bikes marketed as "gravel 
bikes" use disk brakes and are capable of running either 622 or 584 rims. 
Many of them advertise that as a feature and show clearance for fatter 
"27.5" tires than "29". At the high end of competition, though, it seems 
virtually everyone runs 622. My saddle height is around 700mm and for 
42-52mm tires 584 rims require no compromise in frame dimensions. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Six speed freewheels, J. A. Stein freewheel injector and freewheel removers

[Kim Hetzel]

 I have a pending payment of $100.00 currently. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.


On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:35:17 PM UTC-7 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> I have a lot of Suntour 6-speed freewheels, a NOS/NIB J. A. Stein 
> freewheel injector and three splined freewheel removers for sale. 
>
> There is one freewheel on the far bottom left that is an odd ball. It is 
> not spaced well between some of the cogs. You would need to tear it apart 
> and fit the right spacers in to make it work.
>
> The top left Suntour 14-32T is NOS. It has some rust on it from being 
> stored in my garage over the years. All the others are used. There are five 
> Suntour freewheels with one Shimano freewheel.
>
> I am only interested selling the whole lot.
>
> Make me an offer.
>
> Payment via Paypal
> Shipped in the CONUS only.
> Exact shipping cost will be determined at the time of shipment.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> [image: 20230701_175909 (2).jpg][image: 20230701_180044 (2).jpg]
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Re: [RBW] FS: One bike's worth of Tektro V-Brakes

[Richard Rose]

What brakes did you put on the Clem?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 1, 2023, at 11:54 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:I have for sale one bike's worth of Tektro V-Brakes off of my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. They are good condition. I am missing an end cap on one of the noodles. Otherwise, all the parts are there. The brake pads still have good wear left on them.$45.00, shipped in the CONUS.Paypal payment friends and family, please.Kim HetzelYelm, WA<20230701_181052 (3).jpg>



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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

[Fullylugged]

It's not hard to convert a 700 wheel bike to 650B.  I have 2 of them right 
now and sold one last year. 

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller 
> Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after 
> all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify 
> most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost 
> all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have 
> that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

[Will Boericke]

There are plenty of gravel bikes designed around 650b out there.  For me, 
650b is the option on a bike designed for 700s to go really big.  Two 
wheelsets that I can swap back and forth - 700x42 (admittedly not small) 
and 650x47.

Will

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 7:36:04 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> I've not read the gravel bike threads because I don't have a subscription 
> to the NY times that will let me read that article , so I might be missing 
> something.  Like Ted, I've just always interpreted that term to be a 
> marketing effort by the mainstream bike industry (and adjacent industries, 
> like media publishing) to re-quoin and popularize the "all-rounder" or 
> "country bike" or "hybrid" or "monster-cross" or "all-road" concept, or 
> what most of the people on this list simply call a "bicycle."  I think 
> there's an argument that the very first 650b-specific bike in the era of 
> that wheel size's modern resurgence - the Saluki - WAS a gravel bike.  
>
> With disc brake-equipped bikes, couldn't most any gravel-labeled bike with 
> adequate tire clearance and a reasonably high bottom bracket be converted 
> to 650b?  To me, that flexibility has always been the single best argument 
> for disc brakes in the first place.  For mainstream manufacturers, low 
> bottom brackets (that might otherwise make conversion a bad idea) are still 
> rare  because of fear of liability or complaints of riders getting pedal 
> strikes while attempting to pedal through a turn.
>
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 10:06:34 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> Black Mountain Cycles new Mod-Zero frame can be set up with 650B. Tires 
>> max out at 2.25” with that wheel size. A A29er setup would max out at 2”. 
>>
>> [image: DSC09104.jpg]
>>
>> Mod Zero 
>> blackmtncycles.com 
>> 
>>
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>>
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

[iamkeith]

I've not read the gravel bike threads because I don't have a subscription 
to the NY times that will let me read that article , so I might be missing 
something.  Like Ted, I've just always interpreted that term to be a 
marketing effort by the mainstream bike industry (and adjacent industries, 
like media publishing) to re-quoin and popularize the "all-rounder" or 
"country bike" or "hybrid" or "monster-cross" or "all-road" concept, or 
what most of the people on this list simply call a "bicycle."  I think 
there's an argument that the very first 650b-specific bike in the era of 
that wheel size's modern resurgence - the Saluki - WAS a gravel bike.  

With disc brake-equipped bikes, couldn't most any gravel-labeled bike with 
adequate tire clearance and a reasonably high bottom bracket be converted 
to 650b?  To me, that flexibility has always been the single best argument 
for disc brakes in the first place.  For mainstream manufacturers, low 
bottom brackets (that might otherwise make conversion a bad idea) are still 
rare  because of fear of liability or complaints of riders getting pedal 
strikes while attempting to pedal through a turn.

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 10:06:34 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:

> Black Mountain Cycles new Mod-Zero frame can be set up with 650B. Tires 
> max out at 2.25” with that wheel size. A A29er setup would max out at 2”. 
>
> [image: DSC09104.jpg]
>
> Mod Zero 
> blackmtncycles.com 
> 
>
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>
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