I looked to 650B as a solution to my particular fit issues for an all road 
bike the other year. Grant was very frame size dependent in his support of 
650B and felt that above a certain size (several below mine) the utility of 
the wheel size ended its utility. Those considerations are fair for stock 
geometry. 

The problem for me and my ideal under square (2-3cm) frame dimensioning is 
that I get into toe overlap with 700c wheels with fatter tires. I wanted 
broader capacity for rougher road riding and load carrying so 650B was my 
way to go. I still would rather ride smarter than fasteron unpaved surfaces 
and 650Bx42 has provided all the envelope I need without tapping my Walter 
Mitty thoughts.

I made many purchases and gone down bicycle and equipment rabbit holes 
chasing more "performance" only to find out the lease expensive component 
of my bike is where the greatest capacity to upgrade resides...me. 

I had my 650B bike built and ride it hundreds of miles off pavement, with 
fenders, on RH Babyshoe Pass tires set up tubeless on Pacenti Brevet rims, 
three years so far without reason to look back or second guess the formula. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:03:47 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller 
> Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after 
> all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify 
> most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost 
> all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have 
> that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick <bhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>>
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